Full Show Podcast: 15 November 2025

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He'd be Jack Tame with you through to midday today.
My barbecue is glistening, it is gleaming. I don't know
about you, but I'm a little bit of a nitpicker
when it comes to things looking clean and tidy in
that kind of thing. So before barbecue season kicked off,
I wanted to give it a really good clean. Went
up to Bunnings, got a steel brush, you know, one

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of those the steel brush thing, so I could go
get in there, really get in there, bit of elbow grease,
bit of everything else. So my barbecue is looking absolutely
spectacular at the moment. I'm going to fire it up
this evening, and we have the recipe for you if
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tell you about this morning as well. Right now, though
it is eight minutes past nine, Jack Team, I hate
carrying my wallet right Not because I'm a prickle pocket,
I swear I'm not. I will always buy my round,

(02:08):
I promise you, but because at heart I'm an optimizer,
So I don't want something else to remember a bulge
in my back pocket. I just want to be able
to do everything with the least baggage possible, if you
know what I mean. So at the moment, my wallet
has four cards, right, just four. I've got a bank card,

(02:28):
a credit card, a driver's license, and then my TV
and Z access card. And until two weeks ago, I
needed an access card to get into the Newstalk's EDB
officers as well, but not anymore. We're very much moving
with the times. It's twenty twenty five and the Newstalk's
Z'B officers we've moved to a digital swipe system like
an app on our phones, right, so don't need the

(02:51):
card for the ZB officers anymore. As it stands, I
don't carry cash. My wallet actually has nowhere to put it.
I don't have a coins purse. There's nowhere really that
I can tuck notes into but for the two dollars
forty in change and the center console of the Family Corolla.
I don't actually have any cash. I can't remember the

(03:11):
time the last time I did. I barely use my
physical debit and credit cards. I just pay for everything
with my phone for the best price. I do still
need a real plastic card for the bus, although they've
recently changed that system so that in a pinch I

(03:33):
can also pay with my phone. My library card is digital,
concert tickets are digital Auckland FC in New Zealand. All
of it is on my phone these days. If all
goes well with the government's rollout in a few months,
we should be able to access digital drivers' licenses as well.
In the US have now gone one step further, as

(03:54):
of this week, American citizens with either Google or Apple
phones can upload their passports to their devices and store
them in digital wallets. And so systems scan your passport
and then read the little chip at the back right.
They then compare the photo page from your passport with

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the biometric scan of your face in the same way
that you might use face ID or something like that.
And you can use that ID for domestic travel in
the US, although you still need a physical passport for
international flights. But let's be honest, if they're doing that
for digital travel within the US, surely it's not going
to be long until your ID is used the same

(04:37):
way for international flights. And I know what you're thinking.
Digital passports, digital bank cards, digital drivers' licenses, digital swipe
cards for getting into the office. What pray could possibly
go wrong? And I agree with you, I do. The

(04:58):
more that our vital ID and payment systems go digital,
the more vulnerable many of these systems might be to
failure to power outages, to coding errors, or to hacking.
At least for the near future, of course, there are
going to be the traditional options available. They're not scrapping
plastic driver's licenses, just yet. But all things being equal,

(05:24):
I reckon, twenty twenty six might be the last year
of my life in which I actually need to carry
a wallet. I reckon, this is it. I reckon We've
reached the end of the road. I'm going to be
first in line for a digital driver's license once they
introduce them here and a year from now. I reckon,
everything I need from my cards, I should be able

(05:48):
to do with my phone. And while look, I know
there are risks. I understand there are risks. I know
it's a single point of failure. I know it'll be
even more of a disaster if I accidentally lose my phone. Truthfully,
my concerns are drowned out by an even stronger impulse.

(06:09):
Sure there are security concerns, but man, just think of
the convenience.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Jack Team ninety two.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Ninety two is our text number. If you want to
send me your message this morning, don't forget. If you
are doing that that standard text costs supply. You can
email me as well, jackatnewstalkzb dot co dot nz. So
Glenn Close is the kind of Hollywood leading man at
the moment, He's the man of the moment, the heart
throb of the moment. I'm reliably informed by producer Libby.

(06:40):
He's in this brand new film called The Running Man,
and it's got an interesting premise, right. So basically, the
premise is that there is a TV show somewhere in
the near future called The Running Man. It's the top
rated show on television and it takes reality TV to
the next level in that it's a deadly competition were
contestants have to survive thirty days while being hunted by

(07:03):
professional assassins. So it's kind of like squid Game or
I don't know, like the Hunger Games, but for real. Right, So, anyway,
Glenn closes in this new film, we're going to tell
you about that. When our film reviewer joined us before
ten o'clock, Kevin Milon's going to kick us off for
our Saturday Morning together next though. Right now it's fourteen

(07:24):
past nine. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday morning in this
as News Talk. Zed be.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
No better way to kick off your weekend than with
Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks at b
With the.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Tests, I was just testing you. I was just testing you. Okay, Yes,
I might have said Glenn close. I meant Glenn Powell. Okay,
I meant Glenn Powell. Look Glenn close heart throb of
a different kind. Glenn Powell is the star of The
Running Man? Is it the or was it just Running Man?
I don't know what was the original? Was it also

(08:00):
The Running Man? Or Running Man? Because it's a remake
of the Schwarzenegger film. Anyway, when Libby was telling about
that this morning, she said, have you seen Glenn Powell
training for that movie? I said no. She said, I've
been looking at videos of online and she said he
is ripped. And even the way she said ripped, it
just it felt sort of it felt carnal, you know. Anyway, Ah, Jack,

(08:24):
take it from me, Put a couple of grand in
an envelope and leave it at home somewhere safe. Oh,
says Muzz. If technology goes down or we have another
weather event, you are going to be helpless to do anything. Jack.
If you lose your phone, you are temporarily cactus Jack.
What's going to happen in a power count? Says Tracy.
Jack says land I sincerely hope you have a few
hundred bucks stashed in your underdrawer for emergencies. You are very,

(08:46):
very vulnerable with your alliance on a machine. I know,
I know, I know all of this, and yet I
haven't done it. I don't know. I just just, first
of all, like the day to day convenience is there
for me, and that kind of trumps everything. But I
can see that maybe in the same way that I
should have, you know, water stashed for an emergency at
home and all that kind of thing you're supposed to do,

(09:08):
I should be having a little emergency you know, a
little emergency envelope somewhere as well. I think that probably
makes a lot of sense anyway. Ninety two ninety two
is our text number this morning. If you want to
get in touch. Jacket News Talks, he'd be dot co
dot NZ. Kevin Milner's with this morning, Kevin. How many
cards do you have in your wallet? Do you reckon? You?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Actually? I know five.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
You've made me actually go to my wallet and have
a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Five is not too bad, That's pretty Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
Well I've got I've got two different credit cards, one
for business and one for personal. How do you get
around that aspect? You would have you'd be set up
for business and all that.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Well, Yeah, but I just I just I just keep
my receipts, you know, I email a receipts to myself
or something like that. But but honestly, I don't have
too many kind of business expenditures, you know, so right, yeah,
but I mean and and honestly, I the number of
times and I know this is bear as well. Sare's
a buty convenience scene when it comes to payWave, but
when it comes to payWave instead of like I could

(10:07):
get the card out of my wallet and insert it
and that would save me money. But I'm seduced by
the convenience, and so I just I just used my
phone as well, which is a shocker.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
I totally agree.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
Any agree.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
And as for the listener who says, you know, kick
cash around because if the whole system goes down, you'll
be stuffed, well, of course, if the whole system goes down,
I'll be surprised if you can use cash either, well,
because it won't be Yes, I wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
To a certain degree, right, Like I remember being and
I was on Hurricane Sandy in New York. Do you
remember Hurricane Sandy when and it hit New York and
like the half of Manhattan lost power and all of
that thing, or you know it was, and it was
all you know, it was pretty pretty dramatic, and you know,
there were hundreds of homes last and all that kind
of stuff, and you know, dozens of people were killed.

(11:00):
It was it was a pretty serious storm. And I
remember as as the storm was kind of bearing down
on the East Coast, I went to a cash machine
and I got out like a thousand dollars cash or something.
And I remember, this is Manhattan, the center of the
financial world. It lost power for a you know, significant

(11:20):
period of time, and I relied on the cash that
I got out, and I remember thinking, man, I'm so
glad I did this. And so it's curious that I mean,
clearly I need to, you know, learn my own lesson there.
I suppose you set myself up for an urgency. Even
if you're gonna if you're going to live your life
in a wallet free world, you probably probably want to

(11:40):
have a little bit of a backup plan at home,
don't you. I think it probably makes a lot.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Yes, my feeling is that if the system goes down,
you know, it as dramatic as that much, Yeah, you know,
it's going to be difficult for stores to take in
cash because they won't be able to record it. Yeah,
you know, I won't and all that sort of stuff.
I mean, I can just imagine stores were just shut down.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah yeah, I think you could well be right. Let's
hope we don't get to that stage that it does
sort of feel like an inevitability at some point, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Hey, Jack, just very quickly going back to last week,
and you pose the thought whether New Zealand's New Zealand invented.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The rotary clothesline.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Oh yes, in fact, in fact, Australia did.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
Oh and you may be aware of hills hoists.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh yes, were a huge Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
So most of most of Australia's rotary clotheslines were hills hoists.
I don't think that many of them came over here,
but yeah, so we can't claim that unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, yeah, oh well, well, I mean, if if she
was on the other foot, I'm sure there would be
some claiming going on. And in mind anyway, given you
you want to talk about a dot this morning.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Yeah, this seems odd, but during the week I got
to watch the movie about one of yours and my
favorite painters, Robin White Grace A Prayer for Peace an
image I'd never seen before, known as the pale blue dot,
pops up on the big screen at the start of
the movie Jack. Does the pale blue dot mean anything

(13:12):
to you?

Speaker 3 (13:12):
It does? I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
Actually, ah yeah, yes, Well, let me explain to the listeners.
The pale blue dot is an image of planet Earth
taken in space in nineteen ninety by the unmanned NASA
Space Probe Voyager one while it was on its way
out of the Solar System. But NASA technicians managed to

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turn its cameras around back at the Earth. So the
pale blue dot is a picture of planet Earth taken
from over six billion kilometers away. As you can imagine,
the techies had to zoom in an awful lot before
they can see Earth. When an image of Earth emerges,

(13:56):
it is a minuscule point of light, a tiny dot,
less than a quarter of a single pixel on the picture.
The image shows, like no other image, how tiny and
alone we are in the black, vastness of space, and
why we have a responsibility to preserve our tale blue dot,

(14:18):
the only home we've ever known. Astronomer Carl Sagan put
it this way, Look again at that dot that's us
on it. Everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you've
ever heard of. Every human whoever was ever lived out
their life there. Every hunter and forager, every hero and coward,

(14:42):
every creator and destroyer, every king and peasant, every young
couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor
and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar,
every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history

(15:03):
of our species lived there on a moat of dust
suspended in the sunbeam. If you haven't seen the pale
blue dot, listeners, I recommend that you google it for
a fraction of a dot for an image captured from
over six billion kilometers away. It said an awful lot

(15:27):
to me.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, well, said Kevin. That was poetic, That was beautiful.
It really was.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Carl Sagan. Yeah, well, Chyle Sagan can take the corredit
for all that. In fact, his speech goes on a
little bit longer than that, and that's what it's reading
in its entirety too. But I just wanted to get
across what he was saying. He was the guy actually
who instructed or asked NASA if they would try and
turn the cameras around at that distance and get a shot.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah right. It's funny, isn't it. You know how that
the astronauts have that thing. And it's sort of a
bit of a cliche almost with astronauts when they come
back to Earth and they're asked by people, are you
know what we did? You have any kind of profound
revelations in your time up in the up in the black? Nothing?
And even for those astronauts have just been you know,

(16:17):
orbiting Earth in the International Space Station so relatively close
to Earth compared to the distance from from where that
photograph was taken, they always say, oh, man, you just
realize once you're up there, how trivial our divisions are.
How trivial, like the idea of nation states and how
actually borders me nothing, like we are all in this together.

(16:38):
And that's it's always the sentiment they reflect. Just as
soon as you get up there, you're like, hang on
a second, I'm I'm I'm a resident of planet Earth,
a citizen of planet Earth before i am you know,
an American or a Russian or a Frenchman or anything else,
you know, And it.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Makes division that those divisions seem ludicrous.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
It does doesn't you know.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
Yeah, as Sagan puts it, we all live on a
moat of dust suspended in the sunbeam.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
It is beautiful.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, so I have. I think I would have thought
that pale blue dot is one of the two most
famous photos of the Earth as a whole. No, it's
a better way to put that. So there's that. And
do you know earth Rise? Yes, wall, clearly you and

(17:34):
I are of similar taste. Given because it's currently up
on my wall. My wife wasn't terribly happy about it.
I don't think she shares my kind of astronomical interest.
But yeah, I have earth Rise at the top of
our at the top of our stairs, and when you're
climbing up the stairs at the same residence, you see
a photo of earth rise, which is that amazing photo
of the Earth taken with the with the moon and

(17:58):
the foreground. That incredible, So it gives you the perspect Yeah,
it is, it is.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
It's a phenomenal photo. And again that raises what that
astronauts so when they get back, it's not what I
saw out there. It saw That's how I reacted when
I saw Earth when I was out there.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
Think we feel the same way when even when we
travel around the world, one of the great things is
not what we see when we're traveling, it's how we
see New Zealand once we're a long way away from it.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, you're totally right. It's all perspective, isn't it. Hey,
thanks so much, Kevin, love your work, really appreciate it
off and it's not just me here Rods just flicker
said Texas that it was profound Kevin, excellently done. Love
your comments. This morning heats and heaps and heaps of
messages basically everyone scolding me for not having a backup
plan if I want to go one hundred percent digital.
I'll get to more of those in a couple of minutes.
Our Sporto is in as well with his thoughts on

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the All Blacks England test tomorrow morning, twenty eight past
nine on news talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 7 (18:57):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on news talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Okay, sorry, this is just absolutely too cool to not
immediately share with you. So next year on November thirteenth.
So November thirteenth, twenty twenty six, Voyager which took the
photo Pale Blue dot that Kevin was talking about, that
will be one full light day away from Earth, right,

(19:22):
so one full light day away. It's taken like fifty
years for it to get there and it will be
one full light day away this time next year. That's
remarkable to shows you how faster the universe is. Anyway,
it's just got a nine thirty on News Soks he'd
be our Sporto. Andrew Savill is here and what do
you make of these Joseph Parker revelations this morning?

Speaker 8 (19:45):
Sev Yes Jack, good morning, coming out overnight that Parker
has tested positive or his his samples that were given
on the day of or the day before that lost
to Fabia Wadley in London last month. Statement from his
UK based promoter confirming that there's an irregularity in the

(20:09):
in the A test. They will they will go through
the process of having the B drugs test tested, but invariably,
as we know through the years, they tend to very
really turn up anything different. The reports out of the
UK suggest it's a recreational drug that's been found in
the system, not a performance enhancing drug. Either way, it

(20:31):
looks as though Joseph Parker, on the back of not
only a loss which has put him down the rung
in the heavyweight division, but now a positive drugs test
or what looks to be will set them back some time.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'd imagine in his in his boxing career.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Not a great look, Jack, No, to say the least.
So just because I don't fully understand the process. We
now have a B sample that gets tested as well, right.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
Yes, that's right, yeah, like like like is regularly done. Yeah,
and say Olympics or other sports around the world. The
interesting thing with boxing, Jacks, A lot of boxes sign
up to VARDA, which is the voluntary anti doping agency
or authority. Some see it as a little bit mickey mouse,

(21:17):
some see it as as a proper anti doping authority.
The thing is, once the box has sign up to that,
and they sign a contract for a fight and both
boxes have agreed to be tested, they know they're going
to be tested. It's not as if it's random like
a lot of these other sports that like rugby and
other major sports in this country, I know test randomly.

(21:38):
You can get a knock on the door and you
have to give them your whereabouts obviously, and there's been
cases over the years where athletes haven't done that, and
they've been pinged the boxes know they're going to be
tested pre and post fight and this happens.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yeah, yeah, So four am tomorrow all England. I don't
want to get to ahead of ourselves, but if we
get through this, you would think that the Grand Slam
is probably going to be achieved, given they've only got
the Wealth to go and the Welsh the mid much. Yeah, yeah,
let's just get through tomorrow. First. I suppose I happen.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
To be watching the Welsh against Argentina and they were
dreadful and that their best player, Jack Morgan, the young
Franklin made the Lions team. He broke his wrists, so
he's gone. So I don't think the Welsh will put
up too much of a fighting Cardiff next week. But yeah,
this is a huge game. Let's not forget Jack last
year in the two games in New Zealand against England
and then the one at Twickenham, England should have won

(22:32):
all three if it wasn't for Boden Barrett coming off
the bench and a couple of those Tess matches here
saving the day, and then if it wasn't for England
first five George Ford missing a penalty and a drop
goal late in the game at Twickenham late last year.
The English should have won all three games, so it's
going to be very tight. I think over their last
test matches there's been an average of a three point

(22:54):
margin the All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I think a.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Curious decision to split up that midfield.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
I thought they might have just brought a Yoana or
someone like that onto the wing to cause least disruption.
Simon's back at blindside for his bulk and his height
in the line out, the England line out will.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Be very good.

Speaker 8 (23:11):
I'd say the All Blacks probably will have a little
bit of an advantage in the scrum. The curious thing Jack
is though, that the three loose forwards in the England
team the starting team are pretty much open siders, and
then they've got two open side flankers on the bench.
So I think we're going to see England really target
the breakdown, so they defensively will.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Be very very hard to break.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
This is going to be one of the massive tests
for the All Blacks this year.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
No very much looking forward to it. Tomorrow morning, thank
you SEV. Of course we're going to have live coverage
of the All backs England to twicken them tomorrow morning,
just after four o'clock on news Talks, EDB and gold Sport.
Thank you so much for all of your messages, so
many messages regarding going digital this morning, Jack, come on,
just read the headlines around AI powered hacking, says Greg.

(23:57):
Digital terrorism is going to level up. In my opinion,
there's a real risk in going digital or going to digital,
Jack recash. The biggest lesson from the Christ which Earth
was that it's really important to have a bit of
cash available. Remember if pose was down for days, supermarkets
were still open, but only to cash. Make sure you've
got a bit of cash at home. And Jack, don't
scare us all these well, we won't be able to

(24:18):
go digital. So if the whole world goes digital, we'll
be left behind. No, don't stress I don't think there's
any suggestion from anyone anywhere that we're going solely digital
anytime soon. I don't think that's Like even with the
driver's licenses, they're keeping physical driver's licenses for you know,
for the foreseeable future. So don't stress out about that.
But I'll get tomorrow your feedback in a few minutes.
Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

(24:40):
a message, I will tell you about the heart throb
Glenn Powell's new film in a couple of minutes. Oh,

(25:14):
I like a little bit of europop from time to time.
That's Robin the Swedish pop legend. It's a new song
called Dopamine. I like it, but of fun. Just coming
up to twenty to ten on news Talks dB, which
means it's time to get your film picks for the weekend.
Francesca Rudkin as our film reviewer. Of course, she's here
with her two films for the weekend. Killed her.

Speaker 9 (25:34):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Let's begin this morning with the remake of The Running Man.

Speaker 10 (25:41):
Ben Richards thirty five, married, one child, in medical crisis.
We need money for a doctor now.

Speaker 11 (25:49):
But there's still a way out for you. It's the
biggest show in the country.

Speaker 12 (25:56):
Welcome to The Running MANE.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Bye ba right Oh Glen Glenn Powell not to be
confused with Glenn Close, of course, although that would have
that really he would have been a remake, ye watching
a yes, yes, guiltiest charge.

Speaker 13 (26:13):
There we go.

Speaker 14 (26:14):
Look he is the man in a moment, isn't he
He kind of He's been around for a long time,
but I think it was twenty twenty to his top
gun Maverick, which kind of showcased his charisma and his
star power, and since then he'd kind of been unstoppable.
There's been anyone but you and hit Man and Twister.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
And he's on far.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
If you remember, if you remember the eighties, if you
were going to the movies in the eighties, you remember
that Iras Schortz Maker start of the original and this
is an adaptation of Seven Kings dystopian novel, and they're
quite different films in the sense that in this film,
the director Edgar Wright, who is responsible for things like
Sewann of the Dead and Hot Fathers and Baby Driver,
he stuck a little bit more closely to the book

(26:53):
as opposed to the original adaptation, and instead of being
Richards being a falsely in prisoned convict, he's kind of
an ordinary unemployed father.

Speaker 9 (27:02):
Struggling to look after his family.

Speaker 14 (27:04):
And they've created, I think this character so that we
we get behind him a little bit.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
More, we can relate to him and have sympathy with
him in things. But you know, this is a pretty
violent film.

Speaker 14 (27:13):
I mean, it's everyone for themselves, We're set in this very,
as I said, dystopian world where there's just a few
who are in control and they manipulate and they're corrupt,
and you know, they run things for themselves. And Ben
Richards is unemployed because he tried to stick up for
his fellow workers who were suffering from radiation poisoning and things,

(27:34):
and so he's been blacklisted.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
He can't work.

Speaker 14 (27:37):
His daughter is sick, she has the flu, and he
says she is going to die of the flu because
I can't we can't afford medication. So he goes off
in auditions for these TV shows and gets selected for
The Running Man, which is a little bit like kind
of games for adults in.

Speaker 9 (27:49):
The sense that you've got thirty days to.

Speaker 14 (27:51):
Try and outwit and outlast some hunters who are after you.
And if your last thirty days you win one billion
new dollars. If you don't, you killed. So yeah, a
bit on the line there, Jack, and so off we go.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
Lots of really great action scenes. It's fun.

Speaker 14 (28:09):
Michael Sarah and William mat Macy also appear as allies.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
It's got a great cast.

Speaker 14 (28:15):
I think they struggled a little bit to keep the
pace consistent it fell a bit flat at times, and
it led to.

Speaker 9 (28:19):
A little bit of an underwhelming final act. I can't go.

Speaker 15 (28:22):
Oh, okay, it wasn't quite what I.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
Was hoping it would be.

Speaker 14 (28:25):
But look, if you're after a popcorn movie, then of
course Glenn Powell dressed and only a towel. Some great
action scenes and if you laugh, what more do you want?

Speaker 9 (28:34):
There?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You go?

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Very good? Okay, yeah, that sound like a bit of fun.
But yeah, pretty violent as well. Okay, so that's The
Running Man, the remake of The Running Man that's showing
in cinemas at the moment. Also showing in cinemas this
is keeper.

Speaker 9 (28:49):
Can I trust this man?

Speaker 11 (28:54):
Can I trust this one?

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah? I am. I was just I was letting their
hang there for a moment. I can tell already just
from the audio.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
I'm like, so I did have a giggle when I
was watching us. I just went, I'll just leave jet No,
this is he can miss this one. He really wouldn't
with this one at all. Well, Osgod Perkins is the director.
He brought us Long Legs, which was the big breaker
hit last year, maybe and The Monkey. He's very prolific
when it comes to releasing films.

Speaker 9 (29:35):
At the moment.

Speaker 14 (29:35):
He's a horror master, and he really does try and
provide us with something different but unique. We have a
couple who go to a cabin in the woods and
then and then off we go, and the whole time
we're a little bit confused as to whether this is
sort of one of those, you know, relationship horrors, whether
it is actually all a dream, or whether it's you know,
it's very eerie, it's very creepy. It's very understated, but

(29:59):
the jump frights are in there. There's a lot of
wonderful confusion. This house, which is really awesome Cavin the woods,
very understated architectural gym.

Speaker 9 (30:08):
Can I just say I love looking at it. It
kind of breathe with the woods. You don't quite know
what's going on or who to trust, all what's happening.
It's actually quite a simple story.

Speaker 14 (30:16):
But the way he shoots them, and the angles he
chooses the shots, and the sounds that he uses just
does it takes you on a really nice horror ride.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Okay, yeah, it's a bit. I feel like that that
in itself is just like a bit of an oxymoron,
a really nice horror ride. It takes you on a
really nice horror ride.

Speaker 9 (30:36):
You know, it's just satisfactory horror.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, cool. So that's keeper. Francisca's first
film was, of course, The Running Man, and both of
those will be up on the news Talks website. Thank
you so much, Francisca. We will catch you again very soon.
Ben has fed me. You know, so, Jack, I don't
carry any cards. Everything is on my Google wallet on
my phone these days. Jack going digital only opens the

(30:59):
way for the eventual micro chip in the arm for
ID for everyone. Do do do do do do do do?
I mean, you know, it's easy to be silly about that,
but yeah, I'm if it's convenient for me. Now you
can see it is a bit of a slippery slow
argument that probably applies for that one, isn't it for
the old microchip in the arm? Think if that ninety
two ninety two. If you want to send us a message,

(31:19):
Jacket Newstalks, headb dot co dot NZ. Hey, after ten
o'clock we've got our screen time segments. So if I
don't know, you've been to both of those films at
the movies and now you just feel like veging out
on the couch at home. Or maybe you just can't
be bothered getting out of your jarmis. We've got three
shows to recommend in our screen time segment for shows
that you can watch or stream at home, including this

(31:41):
really really kind of charming comedy drama mystery series starring
one of my favorite, if not my favorite, British actor,
Timothy Spall. He of ours vedas en pet fame. So
we'll tell you about that show after ten o'clock this morning.
Next up, though, our cook is in with her beautiful
butterfly barbecue chicken with mango salsa recipe fourteen to ten

(32:02):
on News Talks, he'd.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Be Saturday morning with Jack team leaving the.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Conversation going through the weekend US Talks'd.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Be ten on News Talks, he'd be cook. Niki Wicks
is here this morning. Nikki. Do you have a big
chunky wallet.

Speaker 16 (32:17):
I listened to your intro this morning, Jack, and I thought,
oh no, if we reached peak wallet.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah no, I think I think we're well passed peak wallet.
I think I think we are. I think I sincerely think. Look,
let's put down the date. Okay, I reckon, So here
we go. There is mid November twenty twenty six. Is
going to be significant for a couple of reasons, as
we've learned this morning. Number one, it's when the spacecraft
Voyager will be a full light day away from Earth,

(32:44):
which will mean it's the furthest the furthest distance that
any human made object has ever traveled. And as well
as that, it will be a time at which Jack
Tame no longer needs to carry a wallet. That's my
prediction BETWEENY twenty six.

Speaker 16 (32:56):
Which one of those things is more well, well, you know.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
In terms of human achievement.

Speaker 16 (33:02):
Yeah, yeah, I was right here with you, Jack and
toll the when you mentioned a word that I almost abhore.
If that's the words I think award and that is convenient.
I think we have to be extremely careful when we
go down the line of convenience, because to me, that
is the root of all ills in our current society,

(33:23):
particularly with food. Yes, once you start going convenience, then
an actual fact, you start you start not eating as
well as you could for your health. So I was
thinking this as I was listening to you, and I
was too righteous about it, And then suddenly I realized
that this morning, I'm suggesting that people buy one free
range butterflied chicken from the supermarket because they are already

(33:45):
brined generally, and that makes them succulent and fantastic. And
I thought, well, that's a convenience food. To be honest,
in the old days, you would have had to Brian.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Of course, of course, so you see these things, sneak.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Can I just take a middle ground on this? Can
I say that you're yes? In principle? Yes, I look,
And this is why I was trying to own, you know,
the the in the seduction that I've kind of fallen for. Like, yes,
convenience I think has many downsides, but I think there's
probably a happy middle ground. You know, if we if

(34:22):
we have if I go one hundred percent digital, but
we still have physical cards for people who don't want
to go one hundred percent digital, that seems like a
good middle ground for me. And maybe if I want
to make a butterfly chicken but actually I don't want
to have to brand it myself, that's a good thing
as well.

Speaker 16 (34:36):
Okay, all right, we're there, all right. I guess everything
else in my recipe this morning as well, in terms
of you know, we're not we're not throwing our own
garlics many of us.

Speaker 15 (34:45):
What actually I do.

Speaker 16 (34:46):
We're not We're not throwing our own lives, you know,
to some extent. All of those things are convenient to
go and purchase, so I get that. Yeah, anyway, I'm
not really here to talk about wallets all chicken this morning,
in a funny way, I'm here to talk about mangoes.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (34:58):
So we've got this beautiful butterfly chicken, spicy and delicious
that I'm going to do on the barbecue. But the
hero in actual fact is the mango. So also that
I'm serving it with and mangos at the moment, the
Australian ones are in. They have a shortish season in
New Zealand. They're prohibitively expensive. They're is good eight dollars
ninety when I've breached just one, you know, earlier in

(35:19):
the week, which is outrageous. But they're massive. They don't
have a huge pip in them, so you get plenty
of mango out of them, and they are divine, they
honestly are, and they're sort of everyone's a winner kind
of thing. You don't get some and then you find
they're all stringing a bit brown inside. So look, what's
up this little mango salsa. You'll probably only need half
of the beautiful big ozzie mango dice it really. Finally,

(35:43):
take half a red onion and dice that very finely
as well. If you're a little bit if you're a
little bit sensitive to a raw onion, then just pop
it in a little bit of water, the diced onion
with a little bit of lemon juice, and that'll take
some of the kind of string out of it, if
you like, and then drain it off well.

Speaker 10 (35:59):
To use it.

Speaker 16 (36:00):
If you're into red up your raw onion, go for it.

Speaker 15 (36:02):
Just use it as it is.

Speaker 16 (36:04):
A nice small handful of fresh chopped coriyan one teaspoon
of cuman seeds toasted, so heading kind of towards the
Mexican flavor. Here, nice big juice of one lime or
lemons if you've got those, and a good quarter of
a teaspoon of salt, and be prepared after fifteen minutes
to add a little bit more salt or a little
bit more lime juice if you need to. Jack so

(36:26):
always with a salta you want to make that first
and leave it for at least fifteen minutes for the
flavors to really kind of open up to each other.
And then you taste it and you say, oh, now what.

Speaker 14 (36:36):
Does it need.

Speaker 16 (36:37):
If you taste it straight away, you'll go, oh, not
very flavorful. So just leave it to kind of marry
up there. So make the salcer first, and then rack
a beautiful, big, free range, convenient butterflies already brined chipen
on the barbecue with a bit of olive oil and
salt all over it. Cook that off. And I'm not
a big one for marinating things and then putting them
on the barbecue, because I think you just burn it

(36:58):
all off. So I insacked cook my protein first, and
then you want to smother it in the following mix,
and then while it's still warm, pop it back on
the barbecue for a very short time, and then you've
got this beautiful marinated chicken. I use a bit of
tomato chutney, maybe three tablespoons of that, the zest and
juice of two limes or lemon, some cut up into

(37:19):
wedges perhaps to serve as well. Three garlic clothes, crush
those up, one tablespoon of human seeds, one teaspoon of
smoked paprika. That'll give you a beautiful flavor, half a
teaspoon of chili flakes or more if you like this
really spicy. Two teaspoons.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
That's a lot.

Speaker 16 (37:35):
But we've got a big chicken here. Of sea salt,
that's the flakes, and half a teaspoon of pepper. Mix
all of that together, and then once your chicken is
sort of fully cooked, smother it in this on both sides,
and then cook it off for a little bit longer
on your barbecue, and then bring it off the barbecue
and rest it. You tear all of that chicken off
the bone and serve this with the salsa, with some

(37:57):
beautiful warm tortilla. You could also have on the side
some guacamole, some lettuce, that kind of thing. And you've
just got a lovely big sheer meal and you've splashed
out on the nono, which is expensive. But let me
tell you this chicken, we'll go around. It'll go around
twelve twelve.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, thank you, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
know Saturday Morning with Jack dam News Talks eb.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Oh so, Nikki's recipe for that beautiful butterfly chicken with
mango salsa is up on the news Talks hev website.
If you're thinking like I am, that maybe that could
be a good option this weekend. After ten o'clock, we've
got your screen time picks for this weekend if you
want to sit on the couch after devouring that beautiful,
beautiful dinner and watch a brand new show as well

(38:47):
as that feature interview. Right after the Tenna Coot News
best selling author David Baldacci is going to be with us.
He has written some incredible thrillers. He's got a brand
new one called Nash Falls. We'll have all the details shortly.
News is next though it's almost ten o'clock on newstalks 'bow.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Cracking Way an't you Saturday Saturday Morning with Jadam News
Talk Zippy.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
David belt Archie is one of the world's favorite storytellers.
He's written more than fifty books, and his specialist knowledge
of the US political system and law make his stories
international best sellers. His newest book is called Nash Falls.
It introduces a new character and is the start of
a brand new pulse pounding series. And David is with

(39:56):
us this morning. Calder, welcome to the show.

Speaker 10 (39:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
It's great to be on, great to be speaking with
you well, just a few months after your first visit
to New Zealand as well, So it's really good for
audience to be hearing from you once again. Tell us
a little bit about Nash, fools, because this is an
entirely new character.

Speaker 10 (40:14):
Yeah, Walter Nash is unlike any character I've written about.
He's not in the military, he's not an agent or
a detective. He's never lifted a weight, he's never fired
a gun and anger. He's a businessman, very successful, has
a nice life with his wife and teenage daughter. He's
a strangeman's father who just recently passed away. He was
a Vietnam veteran. And at the night at the father's

(40:35):
funeral at his home, very late at night, Nash is
the only one awake. An FBI agent all of a
sudden shows up and tells Nash that the company he's
working for is actually part of the criminal organization and
they want him to help them take it down. So
he gives national choice to work with us, because if
you don't, you're going to go down. And if you
work with us, you're going to have to give everything
you have. So it's really quite the Hobson's choice. You know,

(40:59):
no matter what choice he makes is going to be
the end of Walter Nash.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, it is a tricky choice to make, and I'm
sure of viewers will get a our listeners will have
a good sense of where he might go with that.
But where do you come up with this kind of concept?
Because obviously, you know your stories deal with conspiracies and
with power and with law enforcement a lot of the time.
But where did you get the idea of Walter Nash.

Speaker 10 (41:23):
Well, you know, I've been writing a long time and
one of my chief things that I do to keep
myself motivated is to challenge myself, try something new, get
out of my comfort zone, create characters I haven't created before.
So Walter Nash is sort of my experiment of I
could take a human being and suddenly rip everything away
that they've had in their life and see how they

(41:46):
can keep going, how they can pick themselves back up,
and how resilient they are, and interesting in a novel
to see how a fictional character could do that, And
that was my test with Walter Nash. I could push
this guy not just up against the wall, but through
the wall and see what he would do.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, So is that there's quite a deliberate decision. You
challenge yourself to get out side of your comfort zone
for creative purposes.

Speaker 10 (42:09):
You really have to, Otherwise you're just going to become
a book factory where you're writing the same plot and
over and over again. We're just changing the names. I
never want to do that. I'd be bored writing it
and you'd be bored reading it.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, that's so good. So do you see this becoming
a series of sorts? Do you know it that early on?

Speaker 10 (42:25):
There will be at the end of the hardcover for
Nash Falls, their first two chapters of a book called
Hope Rises, which is the sequel, and that'll be out
in April of next year. And I could not finish
this book and just one single volume. There had to
be two novels. And you will learn a lot more
about Walter Nash and Victoria Steers as protagonist in the
next novel. So that one is done, and I want

(42:46):
to readers in Nash Falls to be able to get
a few chapters at the end about Hope Rises, so
they can have that sort of bridge between the two books.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, oh fantastic. So, like I said, your stories often
involve power and the use of power. How are you
thinking about your storytelling in this specific moment, because it
feels like, you know, when we are considering who wields
power and how power is being exercised, not just in

(43:14):
the US, but around the world at the moment that
we are at a moment of significant change, we are, you.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Know, and I think money equates with power. Great wealth,
which we have enormous concentrated pockets of wealth around the world.
Certainly we have that in the United States, and I
don't think we've ever had a closer nexus between great
wealth and political power, at least in my country, than
we have right now. And for a lot of people,
it's very disconcerting. You know, if you're enormously wealthy, you

(43:42):
have your own agenda and the means to influence people
and politics to get laws passed will help you. And
we're definitely seeing that happen right now. No matter whether
it's good for everyone else or not. If it's good
for the wealthy people, then they have the means and
the resources to get laws and acted that will help them,
or laws that ignored will also help them. So it's
it's quite a challenging time right now. I mean great

(44:05):
for fiction writers, because you know, I only have to
write about things are plausible, and I would challenge anyone
to say that what I'm writing about is not plausible
if you just look at events going on.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
In the real world.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Yeah, I mean, that's it. It sometimes feels like, you know,
a lot of the institutions that for a long time,
outside observers have sort of felt, would you know, would
provide a check on certain parts of the executive certainly
in other parts of the US government, of perhaps acting
in ways that we haven't seen before, and that certain

(44:37):
individuals have a degree of impunity when it comes to
exercising power. Do you personally feel worried by it?

Speaker 10 (44:45):
I did? You know? I do every day. I mean,
the founding fathers did not build this country to be
that way. That's why we had three branches of governments
so they could have checks and balances on the other
The one thing they were terribly concerned about was an
unshocked executive power, which we've seen to have right now. Look,
I don't care what country you live in. If you're

(45:05):
a student of history, will realize that when you put
all your faith in one leader to make all the
decisions and no one will challenge that leader. It never
ends well for anyone, so why should we expect it
to end well today?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, that's interesting. Do you think that because of your
writing and storytelling, the way in which you observe the
world and the way in which you kind of observe
these extraordinary times differs from you know, the average person
who might just be getting news updates and that kind
of thing.

Speaker 10 (45:33):
I absolutely do. I mean, I look at it as
opportunities for stories that I can tell, but I also
look at it as for I try to take, you know,
at a macro level, all the enormous things that are
going on AI, crypto, powerful politicians, enormous wealth. That's interesting
to write about. But what makes it truly interesting is
writing about stories where those sorts of things impact everyday people. Yeah.

(45:55):
That's where you can bring it into people's homes and
so they can look at it and ask the question,
my god, what would I do if that were me?
Which really makes people think.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
You're listening to Jack Tame. I'm speaking to David Beldart
about his latest thriller. It's called Nash Falls. Do you
think when in observing the world as you do, that
you are able to not necessarily predict the future, but
you're able to view things in a historical context in
a way that perhaps others don't.

Speaker 10 (46:24):
I think everyone should read more history because history will
definitely give you good guidance in the president and in
the future, because things happen over and over again. The
one thing that remains static throughout history as human beings.
You know, Shakespeare centuries ago I wrote about people who
are petty and jealous and hatred, were full of hate
and anger, and today we have the same So it's

(46:45):
just a different sort of stage, but the same actors
playing roles. So I think historical perspective is truly important.
And I read a lot of history over time, which
makes me realize the times we're in right now are
quite frightening.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, do you feel optimistic for your country?

Speaker 10 (47:01):
Have to be? You know, I feel like there are
enough good Americans out there who they don't. I think
they think this is not who we are or what
we want to be. This is not what we envisioned
this country to be, This is not what we fought
all those wars over the years to be. And I
think that, you know, positive change, pensilins will swing back
and maybe we can get back on a good track.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, you made some really interesting comments to a panel
of US senators regarding artificial intelligence, and it came from
an experience you had watching your son using chat GPT.
Can you tell us what happened?

Speaker 10 (47:35):
Yeah? So you put in there right a plot that
sounds like a David Baldacci novel, and then within three
seconds there was a plot that sounded like an amalgamation
of all the books I've written, and I come to
find out that they had taken virtually all of my books,
most of them off of a Russian parrotid website to
feed into the large language models. I've been involved in
a class action lawsuit against a Open AI and Microsoft

(47:56):
DAI for the last nearly three years. We just settled
the case in California with Anthropic for one point five billion,
but it continues to go on, and I think that
we have to make a stand when people feel like
they can just take your property without permission or compensation'
that's the hill that you have to die on.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah. Interesting, how we were talking about individuals with impunity.
But I suppose it's a good argument to be made
that some country, some companies are maybe behaving as though
they similarly have a kind of degree of impunity.

Speaker 10 (48:28):
They clearly are, you know, I definitely have gotten a
very personal taste of that.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Yeah, do you see there? What do you see as
being an appropriate balance then, for the use of these
large language models in artificial intelligence, whilst also protecting or
adequately compensating the creators on whom whose work these models rely.

Speaker 10 (48:52):
Well, you know, I license my work all over the world.
I do you know. I have lots of forty five
different publishers. I have licensed my work for television. I've
licensees for films, I have licenser for streaming, so they
can come to me, we can negotiate a deal. But
no one ever came to me. So, I mean, I'm
very used to working out deals. So people can use
my material if they want, but they have to get

(49:14):
my permission and they have to pay me. We have
to arrive in an agreement. I would imagine that. You know,
if I went and tried to steal Microsoft and metas
intellectual property, they'd probablyssue me.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Right, Yeah, So, how was the risk of the legal
process going for you? You're part of this big classiction lawsuit,
but is it likely to be resolved anytime soon.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
It doesn't look like it's going to be resolved anytime soon.
And I never say never. I'm scheduled. I think to
be deposed sometime in January. We've gone through a lot
of discovery. You have to turn over every scrap the
paper you ever created. You know, I was a lawyer
for ten years. I understand how game is played. It's
no fun being in litigation. But in litigation we are.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Like I said at the start of this interview, you
were in New Zealand at the start of this year.
Are we going to see you Beck here sometime soon?

Speaker 10 (50:01):
I loved, we loved our visit. We were there for
a couple of months in Australia and New Zealand. And
the book I'm working on it'll be out in the
fall of twenty twenty six, is actually said in Australia
and I may jumped the ditch to go over to
New Zealand during the course of the novel as well.
We loved our time there and we're looking forward to
coming back do it.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
We would love that we have we have this like
you know, this kind of little brother chip on our shoulder,
and that we absolutely love any global reference to New
Zealand anywhere. If our country is ever referenced in a film,
we love it. If it's a music, we love it.
And if it was in a David Balderti novel, I
can tell you we would be delighted. Okay, hey, thank

(50:39):
you so much. Congratulations on nash Falls and we look
forward to speaking soon.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Take care that is David Baldarci. Nash Falls is available now.
We've got a little details for it up on the
News Talks, he'd be website, and yes I did wonder,
of course if his time in New Zealand had acted
as a little bit of an inspiration for Walter Nash.
He said, Oh Walter Nash, Okay, I'm not sure what
his knowledge of former New Zealand prime is, but you know,

(51:08):
I mean you'd be turning back the hands of time
a little bit. Anyway. Yeah, fantastic read Nashville. So all
the details are up on the website. Before eleven o'clock
on News Talks, he'd b we are in the garden
and our texpert is here with details on a new
plan from the makers behind chat GPT, who are going
to roll out a brand news service in New Zealand.

(51:31):
So it's one of these things where the big tech
companies often look at New Zealand and think it's a
good testing ground for things because it's a market that's
a whole lot smaller than lots of the other international market.
It's a bit of a it's a bit of a
you know, a perfect kind of market for trialing new
products to see if they work or not, or to
see in which ways people use them. So we're going
to tell you about that very shortly and what the

(51:51):
new GPT feature that will be available in New Zealand
actually is. Next up, we'll get your screen time picks
for this weekend as well, three shows to recommend for
watching from the company your couch. It's just coming up
to twenty past ten.

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On your weekend the right way Saturday Morning with Jack
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first recommendation this morning because I love Timothy Spaull. Tell
us about Death Valley.

Speaker 12 (52:40):
Yeah, this is a charming new British murder mystery series
Cozy Crime, I guess you call it. It stars Timothy Spall,
who plays an actor a national treasure who became famous
for playing a police detective on a long running TV
show in the UK, and he since retired from acting
and moved to a village in Wales where he has
become quite reclusive. Doesn't go out, isn't very friendly, doesn't

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talk to anyone. But one of his neighbors dies suspicious circumstances,
and a detective knocks on his door one day to
see if he knows anything about the death. And the
detective is a young woman who was a big fan
of his TV show. She has some on all of
the Dock's methods of investigation and they forge this unlikely friendship,
and Timothy Spall's character can't help himself from getting involved

(53:25):
in the case after all his years of playing a
detective on screen, and so together it's kind of a
murder case of the Week kind of show. Each week
they're going to solve a mysterious death and this beautiful
little village in Wales. And so if you like Doc Martin,
or if you like the Broken Wood Mysteries, you will
like this as well. It's funny, it's charming, it's got
this gorgeous setting. It's very familiar. You know, this is

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nothing groundbreaking, and the murder cases aren't the side level complex,
but it's about the quirky villagers and the humor. It's
not taking itself too seriously. It's one of those warm,
funny shows you can relax into on a Sunday night
and just enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Oh so good. Okay. So that starts tomorrow on TVNZ
one TVNZ Plus. It's called Death Valley. Next up a
show on three Now tell Us about I Jack.

Speaker 12 (54:13):
Right, Yeah, another British drama. This is a thriller made
by Chris Lang, who created the brilliant show Unforgotten, and
it's about the chaos that happens after a wealthy man
called Jack Wright dies. Jack's death initially looks like a
suicide and it brings all his family together, his children,
his two wives, some loyal employees, to his funeral and

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to the reading of his will, and everyone there is
anticipating that they are about to inherit a huge fortune.
But the will reveals that Jack has left barely anything
to his family, and the autopsy shows that his death
was probably a murder. And so this feels a bit
like a cross between succession, with all the different family
and friends squabbling and vying for power and money and

(54:59):
god like an Agatha Christie sort of murder mystery, with
lots of connected characters who are all hiding something, who
all have secrets. There's lots of mysterious mysteries to be
untangled here, and it's done in quite a fun, over
the top way that pokes fun at people's greed and jealousy.
What I would say is that episode one is setting
up a lot of things. So just hanging there until

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the end when the will is read, because that really
kick starts the conflict and the drama. But this is
quite a fun, juicy murder mystery about some very badly
behaved people who will do whatever it takes to get
what they want.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Nice. Okay, So that's Eye Jack right. That's on three now,
and another thriller on Netflix, Clear Danes and Matthew Reese
are in the Beast of the Beast in Me.

Speaker 12 (55:43):
Yeah, And a new psychological thriller dropped on Netflix this week,
And if you like a Harlan Coben thriller on Netflix,
I think you're like this as well. This stars Clear
Danes and Matthew Reese, who both give amazing performances in this.
Claire Danes plays Aggie, who is a Pulitzer Prize award
winning writer. She's struggling to finish her next book after
the death of her young son in the breakup of

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her marriage, and she lives alone in a very big
house in a wealthy neighborhood on Long Island. Matthew Reese
plays her creepy new neighbor, Nile, who is also famous
or infamous for being the number one suspect in the
suspicious death of his wife a few years earlier. And
strange things start to happen once Nile moves in that

(56:25):
makes Eggie want to find out whether he did kill
his wife or not, and so she decides to write
her next book about him instead, And so there's this
tense cat and mouse game between the two of them.
They both really need each other and they both find
each other quite intriguing, but they're both also extremely suspicious.
And this is just one of Netflix's reliable, bingeable, tense

(56:46):
psychological thrillers. You know it's got clichesn't it, But I
think you can overlook them because it's fast paced, it's
easy to watch, and I think the performances from Claar
Danes and Matthew Reece really lift this up and make
it worth watching.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Okay, cool, So that's the beast in me. It's on Netflix.
I Jack Right, Jack Right? Is Jack Right with a
w H is on three now and the one with
Timothy Spall that's called Death Valley. It's on TV and
one starts tomorrow, and of course on TV and Z Plus.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Getting your weekends started.

Speaker 7 (57:23):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks B.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Bringing a bit of Spanish flair this morning on News
Talks B. Don't you worry about that? The song is
called Bassel. It's by Rosalia means kiss in Spanish. Pop
Icon has described the Barcelona born Rosalia as quote a
true visionary and when you listen to her work you
can kind of hear why so. She recorded her debut

(58:15):
album as part of her graduate thesis and it infused
all these different genres kind of folklore, traditions, flamenco and
R and B rhythms, and from there Rosalia has done
nothing but innovate.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Really.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
She just released a fourth album. The album is called Lax.
It was recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra and it
features Rossalalia singing in thirteen different languages, just putting us
all to shame. So we're going to have a little
bit of space after eleven o'clock this morning so we
can listen to a couple of different songs from Lax.

(58:52):
Our music reviewer is going to be in performer day
as well to give us his thoughts on the album
as a whole. And you have to tell us what
he thought of that final Oasis performance last week. He
was there in Sydney for the final show, so I'm
hoping he enjoyed it as much as we all anticipated
he would. Before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Our
man in the garden is rude plying passed, and next up,

(59:12):
our expert is in with this ridiculous new ad Apple product.
It's not digital, it's a fashion item, and not that
I'm any sartorial expert. I think it's fair to say
it's a little.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
Overpriced, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 8 (59:33):
Thanks about regulatory standards Bill got through, Dandy drive it
through in the Ministry of Regulation, they would see more
of it.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
The Labor Party will flip it.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Well, I mean that's of course if the Labour Party.

Speaker 17 (59:42):
Yeah, I get all that, but if you haven't got
broad base support on yes and no. David Parker one
of the more thoughtful guys I think would have been
open to it. Duncan were bellows that he's not actually
standing for christ Duke Central, so frankly he's the shooting blanks.
Alena Williams stood up in the debates, sung for the
first two minutes, then cried, then talk about our ancestors,
and then made some incoherent points about the legislation. So

(01:00:03):
I am sad that we don't have cross party support,
but and those circumstances, it is challenging.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Back Monday from six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Defendant News Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Twenty five to eleven on News Talk ZEDB. We started
the show this morning. Well, I started the show by
admitting I am getting more and more digital by the day.
I'm a sucker for convenience, I admit it. So when
digital driver's licenses are introduced, I will be among the
first in line. But in the US, of course, I've
gone one step further. In the last week, Apple has

(01:00:35):
confirmed it's introducing digital passports, just in time for the
Thanksgiving holiday season. Our Texbert Paul Stenhouse is here with
the details. Paul, what could possibly go wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Nothing, And Jack, I'm just like you.

Speaker 18 (01:00:50):
At the moment, I could download and put my passport
on my phone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Of course I did.

Speaker 19 (01:00:55):
It because it's just convenient.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
People.

Speaker 18 (01:00:58):
Look, unless there's some bigger conspiracy or bigger thing happening,
all it is is that your passport details are loaded
onto your phone. It's no different really than taking a
photo of your passport or I don't know, writing down
the details into a note. You know, like it really
isn't that scary. I think people are concerned about maybe

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the apps and if you use it with an app,
either in person or online, which is part of the feature, right,
So it's trying to make it more accessible. You know,
what could they do with the data.

Speaker 6 (01:01:30):
But you know, maybe I'm naive.

Speaker 18 (01:01:33):
Maybe I'm wrong, but I do tend to trust Apple
with this one, and I will say they made the
process remarkably easy. So I think when the New Zealand
digital driver's licenses roll out, which they were talking about
late twenty twenty five, which is kind of a nice
now will it be late twenty twenty five, you'll have
a download, nap.

Speaker 10 (01:01:52):
And do this.

Speaker 18 (01:01:53):
But Apple is just in the wallet app, so you
literally just go on tap new as if you were
adding a credit card. You put your phone over top
of the passport.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And it just does its thing.

Speaker 10 (01:02:04):
It's very easy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Okay. So just to be totally clear, you get your
passport out, you open it to the photo page.

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
Yep, you take a photo of it. Yeah, it scans
the details.

Speaker 18 (01:02:13):
Then you set your phone on your passport and it
reads the chip yep, and it sort of vibrates. I
think it reads it maybe five times or so to
make sure it gets the data right, and then it's
done right.

Speaker 19 (01:02:24):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
And so in the US, of course, you have to
if you're traveling domestically within the US, you have to
show a photo ID, which is not something you have
to do in New Zealand And. That's where this will
be used for the time being. Right, they're not using
this for international flights, yes.

Speaker 11 (01:02:38):
No, they not.

Speaker 18 (01:02:38):
I mean, wouldn't that be great You jump off the
plane and you can just tap your phone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Surely it won't be long, right, this is my point.
It's not going to be that long, is it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:45):
Well, I mean, okay, So not to get into the
nitty gritty details, but there are some things over here
called trust is trusted Traveler programs where effectively you pay
money and you can become sort of pre vetted. And
so when I arrive into the country now, because I
do this program, I don't even stop. I walk into
the special schooled Global entry line and it scans my

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face and I don't even have to go up to
a machine.

Speaker 10 (01:03:11):
I just walk straight through.

Speaker 18 (01:03:12):
The officer at the end says my name to verify it,
and I walk through and I'm done. Like that's passport control.

Speaker 12 (01:03:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
It's pretty good. Yeah, that is pretty good, especially by
American standards, because yeah, it can be an absolutely tarnish
arriving in the US sometimes. Now New Zealanders are getting
a new chat GPT feature.

Speaker 18 (01:03:28):
Yeah, so we're talking about putting your passport on your
phone in New Zealanders can't get that right now, but
you can, unlike Americans, start a group chat with chat GPT,
so you can invite up to twenty people to a
group chat. And apparently chat GPT kind of just lurks.

(01:03:49):
Maybe you'd say it's in the group chat. It doesn't
necessarily respond to every message, but it'll just listen and
look and when it thinks it has something to add,
it'll chime in just like it's one of your friends.
Or you can summon it and say hey, chet GPT
and you, you know, do this thing for us, so

(01:04:09):
that seeing if I guess people want to be collaborative.
It's only in like four countries. New Zealand is one
of those. It's available on every plan. So if you've
got even just chat GPT for free or you're paying
for it, it's there and you can invite your friends
and you can try it, okay to do what.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't know, what do you use it for?

Speaker 5 (01:04:29):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I suppose, like I think about how I use my
Whattap group chats. Right, We've got a family chat and
then the kids in my family have a chat, and
then I've got various friend groups who have chats. I've
got work groups too, have chats. And if chat GPT
was in there and you didn't have to go out,
you know, you could just say like, oh, you know,
if you try to coordinate a holiday, when are the

(01:04:51):
holiday dates for term three next year?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
I suppose, I suppose something like that could be convenient.

Speaker 18 (01:04:57):
But yeah, just so old fashioned that I'm just like,
I'd just go and ask CHATDVT myself and copy and paste.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Yes, So maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Five minutes telling us how you've loaded your passport up
to your phone and speaking of your iPhone, knowing how
fashion forward you are, no doubt you will be shelling
out what is it, one hundred and fifty US dollars
for the brand new iPhone pocket.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:05:20):
I don't know that this will be me.

Speaker 18 (01:05:22):
This is I'm the same person Jack who thought that
when everyone started talking about La boo boos that they
were it was just like a cute way to refer
to your Christian lubatons.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Oh okay, no idea that people are. You're gonna know
what Christian lubatons are, Paul, You and I of course
know they're very expensive shoes, but some of the red.

Speaker 18 (01:05:39):
Bottoms fashion it's one of the few things I know
assume everybody knows it. But so they became this la
boo boos became this crazy thing where people are spending
stupid amounts some money on these weird little toys and
attention them bags and apparently it's a status symbol.

Speaker 19 (01:05:54):
I'll never understand it.

Speaker 18 (01:05:56):
And I think there's people who think that maybe this
iPhone pocket is going to be the next labooboo. You know,
it's only available in very select Apple stores. They are
crazy bright colors, and Jack, I'm trying to work out
how to describe it because it's sort of like just
putting your phone into a sock, yes, and then the

(01:06:17):
sock sort of comes up like supermarket bags, and then
rejoins at the top. So there's like a loop kind
of in the middle, a space in the middle. So
then you can take your phone and do one of
those fancy little flick it through kind of ties onto
your bag. Yeah yeah, or you can you know, you
can even spend two hundred and thirty years, Oh my god,
and you can and you can get it as a

(01:06:37):
crossbody how about that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
How can they just like how can they.

Speaker 18 (01:06:43):
Off your handbag or across your body in neon yellow.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I just couldn't. I couldn't do it, especially at that price.
My goodness, Hey, thank you for though.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
See I mean that there's the there's the con doesn't
it three D knitted? What does that even mean? It's
for goodness sake, Thank you so much, Paul. Yeah, we'll
make sure we put a photo of the new iPhone
pocket up on the website as well so you can
see what you One hundred and fifty US dollars will
give you about three hundred New Zealand dollars. No thank
you from me. I'll get to more of your feedback
in a couple of minutes. Right now, it's eighteen to

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eleven Our Master Somalier with his pick for.

Speaker 20 (01:07:20):
The week next.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
What no better way to kick off your weekend with
Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talk ZEB.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
It's called it to eleven Non News Talk ZB. Cameron
Douglas is our Master Somalier and for his pick this week,
he has chosen a Tahu Penot greed from twenty twenty
five the Our Teddy Valley in Marlborough. It retails for
about nineteen dollars and Cameraon's with us this morning.

Speaker 20 (01:07:47):
Good morning, good, good morning.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
How are you very well? Thank you? So tell us
about the tahou Pena gree.

Speaker 20 (01:07:54):
Well to who wines a very special producer because not
only founded in nineteen ninety eight, they're the world's first
Maori owned wine company, and I think that's pretty special.
The location for their vineyards for this particular wine is
the Aruitry or Ouitry Valley, and I know lots of

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listeners will know Marlborough generally speaking, and you know the
fame of Sauvignon blanc from there. This is more on
the eastern side and a northern facing vineyards, so you
get to see the South Island on a clear day.
That's pretty cool. This wine is all about, well, penigree
should always be about palette weight, freshness and flavor, and

(01:08:39):
including sort of the sparking wine and pinaware and chardoney
rieslings that they make. They all teck those boxes of
paletweight freshness and flavor. This particular expression from twenty five
has a little bit of delicacy about it. It still
has that bright, taught, fresh, salivating mouthfeel which penotgree should have,

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and those flavors of red and green apple white peach,
pear and even honeysuckle. Dump all of this flavor in
the mid palate and that's all surrounded by this freshness
of acidity that with vineyards from the Witree you get

(01:09:20):
this nice saline effect, and that's in part from proximity
to the ocean, but it's also part of the acid line.
That natural flavor, that acid acidity can bring to wines
from this particular place. Great mouth feel from a really
really good vintage. So it's a it's a beautiful wine
to try at a fabulous price.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Yeah right, So tell us a bit more about the
twenty twenty five vintage in Marlborough.

Speaker 20 (01:09:47):
Overall, if I had to say two words, rather excellent
overall a warm spring, almost near perfect flowering conditions, not
too windy at all, and that is a you know,
it's a fairly windy place down there, but near perfect
flowering conditions which gave good yields, so plenty of fruit harvested.
There's this term and wine making or grape growing called

(01:10:11):
the diurnal shift, and this particular part of New Zealand
has it in spades. If you like very very warm days,
very cool night, so it allows the wine the vineyard
the grapes to or in the vines to breathe in
and out with the flow of a day. If that
makes sense. Sense the planet breeds in it out, so

(01:10:32):
do these vines in it. And it works particularly well
in this area.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Oh nice. So what would you match the tahoo peanut
agree with.

Speaker 20 (01:10:40):
I'm a big fan of sweet corn on the cob
and I can't help but suggest sweetcorn on the cob
with lots and lots of butter. I was brought up
putting butter on sweetcorn on the cob, and I can't
help but do that. Lots of butter, lots of salt,
and toho penut green works really well. If you like
sour cream, put lemon juice and sour cream in a

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little sprinkle of nutmeg so you can dip those salted
buttered corn and that and penagree works particularly well. If
you're not a fan of corn on the cob, but
you're like sweet corn anyway, then make some forritters top
of with sour cream and smoke salmon. It's just delightful
and a perfect match.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Damn, Cameron, you got my stomach rumming this morning. They
sound amazing. Yeah now, yeah, yeah, thank you So much,
very good. So Cameron's picked for us this week as
a Tohu penigree. The vintage is twenty twenty five from
the Awa Tedi Valley in Marlborough. We'll have all the
details on the news talks. He'd be website after eleven o'clock.

(01:11:42):
On news Talks, he'd be a couple of ripping new
books to talk about. We've got a brand you read
from Lee and Andrew Child, the latest Jack Reacher, published
just in time for Christmas. As well as that this
really interesting book that's a combo effort from Reese Witherspoon
and Harlan Corbett of all people. So yeah, I'm really

(01:12:04):
intrigued to see what our book reviewer thinks of that.
We've got new music as well from Grossalia. It's the
Spanish superstar that will play you before midday. Right now,
it's eleven to eleven. We're in the garden. Next on
news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
Gardening, but still shops battery system kits. Get a second
battery half price.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Rude climb past is our man in the garden. Good morning, sir,
Good morning.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
I loved all the stories about the moons and space,
and yeah, since it is great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, cool.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, So, as you weren't listening, we were talking before
ten o'clock about how what is it the thirteenth of
November twenty twenty six, Voyager, the spacecraft will be one
light day away from the Earth. So I think I
looked up one light day in kilometers. There's something like
twenty nine billion kilometers.

Speaker 6 (01:12:52):
It's a long way to walk.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Yes, yes, it's a long way to fly, as it
turns out. I mean, voyages been out there for almost
fifty years now. But there's crazy a It's yeah, it is,
it's kind of it. But yeah, I love all that
cosmological stuff. You when you are able to try and
put the vastness of the universe or the relative you know,

(01:13:13):
nothingness of the Earth in the context of the vastness
of the universe, it's yeah, it is extraordinary, isn't it? Anyway?
Speaking of and big distances, our fifteen centimeters one hundred
and fifty mills. That is the wingspan of the moth
you're looking at for at the moment.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
Poor moth we call it the poor moth, which is
the largest moth we've got in New Zealand. It is
endemic to New Zealand. That means it only occurs in
New Zealand. In fact, it only occurs in the North
Island nowhere else, which is an interesting thing because because
if you talk too, for instance in Tireo, and you're

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talking about the tree for instance, in which those mores
really like toly, which is not so much the poor tree. Yes,
I know, but there's one day like even better. It's
called mar belief in my belief has got a wonderful
Maori name called Putta Putta Wetter, and that is to

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do with the end story of this particular moth life cycle.
And we've got to be the time to talk about it.
So here's this month at the moment. This is the
time of the year. It's actually you can see it
almost every month of the year, but November December or September, October, November.
So this springtime is the time when you've seen them,
if you've got them near your place in the North Island.

(01:14:36):
And I remember going to Pukaha, which is of course
in the in the Way Rapper where I stayed the
nights a couple of nights, and these things would fly
dozens or bomb dozens of them all over the place.
And it was just that spectacular.

Speaker 21 (01:14:52):
This is the time when the females lay their eggs,
those big girls, they lay their eggs like a wounded
b fifty two bomber, and honestly, in the forest they
fly around the he can hear and that's eggs.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
Yeah, five hundred and six hundred eggs coming out like that.
And basically that's what happens. These little babies that come
out of the eggs. They spent almost a year eating
organic material from the forest floor. That's the first thing
that they do. And they do that so sixty twelve

(01:15:28):
months whatever, and basically they become slightly bigger than a
tiny caterpillar. They can be a medium sized caterpillar. And
once they've done that for about six to twelve months,
they climb up trees and they start chewing the back
of their favorite trees. And their favor trees are things
like what they put wetter or marble leaf if you like,

(01:15:48):
but specifically all supportingly. And then what they do is
they do something amazing. They drill a hole into the
branch of the tree, into the trunk and then down
and that makes the shape of a seven okay, up
slightly slightly up and then down right, those two, by
the way, will be at least six inches long and

(01:16:11):
three quarters of an inch wide. And they are also
making outside, on the outside a patch where they eat
the back of that tree, and they put silk over
the top. Right, got all that, So seven years later,
the caterpillar comes out as a chrystalis. It flies out

(01:16:33):
as a big, big to really mouth if you like,
and the whole thing starts all over again. And this
is the point. If you're talking about put a put
the weather as a marble leaf, as a really good
tree for this particular creature, then you'll take that name,
put the weather, which belongs the men from which many

(01:16:55):
weather arise. And what you find is that once these
caterpillars have bugged off out of their seven shaped home,
if you like, tree weather will go into those trees
and use those as secondhand dwellings.

Speaker 17 (01:17:13):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Oh, it's amazing how the whole ecosystem builds on each other,
you know, and they all work together. Yeah yeah, yeah.
So when you go chance.

Speaker 6 (01:17:26):
Tree, yeah yes, it does d amateur tree, but it
usually restores the tree restores itself. If you've got a
very thin, a thin tree, sometimes you can get ring barking,
and that could cause all sorts of troubles to the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
But here comes a thing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
So when I came to the South Island and I
talked to the guys that here at the night who
was saying, what about to put the weather? And they said,
oh what, they have no idea what that means, because
the thing doesn't occur in the South Isnd and the
whole story does not make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Fantastic, Thank you so much. Ry have a wonderful weekend, sir.
We will catch you again very soon after leaving the
clock on news to he'd be our travel correspondent is
telling us about a bit of a stopover, some highlights
in Doha, and if you're looking for a more sustainable Christmas,
some tips from our sustainability expert on getting the family
on board as well. It's almost eleven. News is Next.

(01:18:21):
I'm Jack Tayman. This is News Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
EDBS Saturday morning with Jack Tain keeping the.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Conversation going through the weekend News Talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Mo in a good morning here with Jack Tame on
News Talks. He'd be if you are just turning us
on this morning, we have desperately missed you. But it
is great to have you with us. Nevertheless, we've had
so much feedback this morning regarding going digital. So the
government has been planning to introduce digital driver's licenses as
an option. It's not going to be compulsory, at least

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not anytime soon, but it's going to be an option.
And it's one of these things that I think I
am going to seize as soon as they've introduced them,
because once I've got a digital driver's license, given I've
already got Apple Pay on my phone for my credit
card and for my bank card, I reckon I will
pretty much be able to get through life without needing
to carry my wallet. That is, of course, until there

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is a technological meltdown. And all of you, almost all
of you, have been warning me about that this morning,
and listen, I take your warnings on board. But still
I think the convenience is going to trumpet for me.
I'm not going to be taking I'm not going to
be carrying cash, I'm not going to be carrying bank cards.
Just as soon as I've got a digital driver's license,
there will be no need to carry a wallet. Kevin

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has took me an email this morning to say Jack,
Jack Jack. For goodness sake, I remember you reporting in
the wake of the christ Church earthquakes. You're a christ
Church boy at heart. How could you not take those
lessons forward and know that actually relying solely on anything
that needs an electrical charge or anything that needs the
Internet is going to be a bad call. Yeah, I mean, look,

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maybe I'll eat my words. But I wonder if like
going say three years digital only, if I then am
facing a day or two perhaps where the digital systems
are down, if one day of inconvenience is worth three
years of ultra convenience, you know, I wonder if we

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can have a kind of a kind of trade off
like that, Kevin, I will get to more your messages.
This our ninety two ninety two if you want to
flick their text Jacketewstaloks headb dot co dot nz is
the email address as well. Before midday on newstalk's HEADBT,
We're going to listen to Ross Alea. She's a bit
of a superstar in Spain. I went to a period
actually a couple of years ago where I was this

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heaps of Spanish music, and honestly, Rossalalia is like the
girl of the Spanish music. Scene. And the thing that
is so cool about a music is, like much of
Spanish culture, she kind of brings in all of these
different influences and genres and blends it all together into
what is quite a unique sound. And not only is

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she blending together different genres and cultures in her new album,
she is also blending together different languages. There are thirteen
different languages in which she sings on her new album.
So we will play you some of Rossilia very shortly.
Don't worry, you don't need to speak Spanish or Arabic
or French or Catalana or whatever else she is singing
in to enjoy her music. At the very least, we'll

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play you some of that album very shortly. As well
as that, we're going to be catching up with our
travel correspondent who's taking us to Doha and a brand
new Jack Reacher book from the and Andrew Child to
tell you about before mid day as well. Right now,
it's ten past eleven, Jack Team, and it is time
to catch up with our sustainable commentator, who reckons now
is the time to start having the conversations with the

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Farno about a more sustainable Christmas. Kate Hall is with
us this morning, held a good morning.

Speaker 15 (01:22:15):
What in a jack?

Speaker 11 (01:22:16):
Oh what?

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
We're six weeks away, which means six weeks away from
the big day, which means that now is the time
to get your a entergy and get your Christmas gifts sorted,
especially if you're looking for something sustainable, because if you're
looking for a sustainable option, December twenty fourth, at four
point thirty in the afternoon is probably not the time
you want to be doing it. Now, it's the perfect time, right, yes, sEH.

Speaker 15 (01:22:40):
I think that's the perfect time to start the conversations
with your families. In particular, I think that's a really
big one that we can talk about, you know, all
sorts of sustainable Christmas, like meals and buying local produce
for your food and sustainable gifts. But it's like, if
you're keen on doing it, maybe not everyone in your

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family is. Yeah, and so you need to plant those
seeds of discussion early. And so that's why you know
we're chelling out this in November.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Yeah, Like you say, it isn't just gifts, it's kind
of everything at Christmas, And given the nature of the celebrations,
there are lots of different areas in which we can
potentially be a bit more sustainable. But you've learned this
presumably the hard way, that there's no point kind of
preaching at everyone, right, Like you have to try and
bring people with you if you know you're trying to

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encourage a more sustainable world.

Speaker 15 (01:23:33):
Yep, yep. And I think doing different things like you know,
frame it, not as hey, guys, like let's all have
a sustainable Christmas. Like you know, your uncle John is
probably going to go, yeah, not be too keen, so
FRAMI it is like let's train this together, you know,
like what ask the question, you know, what do you

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remember from past Christmases? Like what what does everyone want
to do this year? How? How would you feel like
would be the best Christmas ever? What are your Christmas ideas?
What do people need? And often I think that comes
down to people go they want it easier, cheaper Christmas,
and generally that is a less based on Christmas. So

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frame it and like leading with that curiosity piece of
you know, what do you want and not just coming
in saying this is what we're going to do for Christmas. Yeah,
I think is really important to start. You know, maybe
that can be something you do right now today and
your group chat, family chat, and there are ideas that
are sustainable. And I'm sure you know you can't control

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everyone's reactions as to what they will do when you
suggest some things that are overtly sustainable. But I think
it's about trying, and maybe this is a good year
to try.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Yeah, I see in the past it's not that Christmas
can seem obscene. But you know, we live in an
age of consumption, right, and so years ago in our family,
we decided to go to a Secret Sander model for
gifts instead of giving everyone a guest and then and
you end up buying stuff that they don't necessarily want,
and everyone's going to waste money, and you know, you
know what I mean that there are lots of downsides

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to it. So we move to a Secret Center model,
fifty dollars limit, you get one person, and I just
think it works.

Speaker 15 (01:25:12):
So well, yeah, that's great, that's a really great meason
to it. I do that with my housbands side of
the family every year too, and yeah, you get something
you actually need and so you're probably smiling a lot
more than just oh yeah, and like an air of socks.
Another way we do is like that the Secret Center game,

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but you only bring consumables, so it has to be
something that you can eat.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Yeah, right, okay, and then.

Speaker 15 (01:25:40):
That way there's not like any stuff left, like you
know that the food will be circulated and you can
play actually a fun like Secret Center game together and
that can actually be part of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Yeah, that's a good idea. Another thing we do now
is because there are increasing numbers of well, for me,
nieces and nephews from our and dad grandkids. But what
we do is all the aunties and uncles we kind
of agree that instead of us all individually buying kids
gifts because they get showered and so much on Christmas anyway,
we basically have like a like a team gift from

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the aunties and uncles, and we'll often try and we'll
make it like a board game or something like that.
So it's a bit of an experience as well as
opposed to just you know, like just the heaps of
you know, just junkie plastic stuff that the kids will
play with for thirty seconds and then move on.

Speaker 15 (01:26:29):
Yeah, that's brilliant.

Speaker 10 (01:26:30):
I love the day there.

Speaker 17 (01:26:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
I don't know, I just think stuff like that makes
kind of sense, right, But The key is to frame
the discussion now.

Speaker 15 (01:26:37):
Yes, yep, do it now, and be brave. I know
it can feel like, you know, you expose yourself a bit.
But if you leave with that curiosity piece and lead
with what does everyone need and want? You know, you're
not coming and preaching, You're being really clear and you
can sug just some good things.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
Yeah. And the truth is that people don't remember the
stuff as much as they remember how they feel, right, Like,
they remember just the kind of you know, warm feeling
of sitting around and yarning and you playing charades or
whatever it is. You know, it's that stuff I remember
as opposed to stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:27:11):
Yeah. Well there's one Christmas I remember most vividly. It
was a Christmas that we didn't do any stuff. That
everyone had to bring something to Christmas Day in terms
of like my brother and his girlfriends brought a yoga
at creyoga class that we ended up doing on the
back lawn, you know, like they took us through it,
and I brought I did all the Christmas snacks. Yeah,

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I made all these Zeri Way snacks, you know, and
you remember those experiences cooling about on the lawn and
that was just so much fun like those memories are
just so altered, just so much more. I can't remember
what you know I got for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Oh so good? All right, thanks Kate, Yeah good. Good
to give us a nice early warning this year. To Kate,
all of course, is on social media. You can find
her by searching ethically Kate. Next up on news talks,
he'd be we are dipping into Doha in this week's
travel segment right now at sixteen past eleven.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
Travel with Windy Woo Tours. Where the world is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Yours for now nineteen past eleven, Non news Talks, he'd
be Mike Yardley Travel corresponds with a snack. Go to Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Good morning, Jack, Greetings from cap'n Show week in christ
It's been very yeah, very much fizzing in the city.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
Yeah, it hasn't been because I mean you you've here.
I say, you've probably done a few of these over
the years. I would have thought, makee.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I have. Indeed, I did go to the Royal A
m P show on Thursday was really good, even though
the weather was shite on Thursday. The show it's yeah,
but it's been good for the last couple of days.
But yeah, the show's fantastic racing. Oh, racing, Jack. I
think that's you'd be into that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Am My racing? You know what I actually love most
about going to the AMP show. I love a bit
of wood chopping, and yes, you do, well, you just
I don't really engage with wood shopping when I'm I
don't you know, they have wood chopping on TV. Sometimes
I don't ever watch the wood chopping on TV. But
just going to the show, it's just I don't know
what it is. There's something about for those of us
with pretty soft hands you have you know, been s

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been a bit too long, plunked on office chears. You know,
it does broaden your horizons a little bit. You realize
what this country was built on, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
That's true. I was watching two burly women do the
wood chopping. They were doing it like as pears. Yeah,
and oh my god, I just felt exhausted for that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Oh it's crazy, my favorite one. And when they do
it and then they put the plank in the side
and then they climb up a little bit, you know. Yeah, Okay,
you know I can barely change the light bulb when
here you are. Anyway, Hey, this morning. We're focusing on Doha,
which is a bit of a sort of a spot
of increasing popularity when it comes to a stopover for

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forty eight hours or so, and what in your view
would be the quintessential Dohart experience.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yeah, there's a lot of things to do, but I
reckon blending old world Doha with the new and shiny
as we are to start, and the best way to
do that is to jump on board a traditional boat,
a dow on Doha Bay, take a sunset float. You
look at those futuristic skyscrapers of West Bay lighting up,
and then you think about the boat you're on and

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how over the decades it was the pearl divers who
used those dows, powering the Qatari economy until Japan pioneered
cultured pearls and bug it up the whole natural pearl industry.
But yeah, those dour boats, they are just gorgeous. They're
little wooden cuties. And as you take away leisurely float

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aboard one of those, it just provides a really tangible
link with Kutzars past. And then just watching that sun
setting over the desert and all those high rises spangled
in the nighttime lights that really is quite something in Doha.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
Yeah, it's an area stack with history and it's a
city stack with museums. So where would you go first?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Yeah, if you have time only for one, I would
say the mus of Islamic Art. It's a cracker. I
mean architecturally, it's like this chiseled jewel floating on Doha
Bay and it was designed by Impa of Louve Pyramid fame.
But inside the museum it just gives you such a
great walk through the artistic brilliance of the Islamic world.

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You know, calligraphy, Islamic geometric patterns, jewelry, textiles, it's all
on show. One of the big star features is the
necklace that once belonged to Shah Jahn of taj Mahal fame,
studded with these huge diamonds and emeralds. Thankfully, Jack, the
British did not get their hands on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Yes, if you know just north of the city, Sale
is drawing travelers to Lusail.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Well, of course it would be a name very familiar
to you, as in Leonel Messi because it's where he
raised the trophy at the FIFA World Cup. The Lusale Stadium,
nicknamed the lantern. But it's fascinating. I went to Lusail
about three years ago. I went back there a couple
of weeks ago. The place is exploding. It's Cuta's newest

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and second largest city after Doha, and it's only a
thirty minute lightning fast metro train ride away from downtown Doha.
But the other thing about Lusale which is worth checking out,
what like Doha, it's got this very edgy starchitecture. One
of their latest skyscrapers is Gatara Towers. It's the most magnificent,

(01:32:45):
far fetched crescent shaped scraper. It just looks implausible, you know,
the way that it's been designed. And also it's home
to the Lusale International Circuit, which will stage the Cutter
F one Grand Prix in a fortnight, and when the
F one isn't in town, you can get some track
time yourself. They've got these souped up kats and they

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are really soup dub so you can channel your in
Orlando or Liam and rip around the F one track.
They've actually got a dedicated kids track there as well,
which is very popular. You know, if you're traveling with families.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
And what are the kids racing?

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Dore, I ask are yeah, gokuts, not as soup duck, yes,
not as soup du as the adult ones.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Yeah right, very good. Yeah, so for a different form
of racing entirely, let's talks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Oh my goodness, camel racing season has just started, Jack,
So every Friday between now and the end of February.
This is wildly popular in Doha, highly competitive. The camels
are prized and pampered. Originally I found this mind blowing.
Originally kids were used as jockeys for the camels. That

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was deemed a little bit maybe not so for the
last gone Yeah exactly, Jack. So for the last decade
or so, they've been using robots. So you've got these
little robots mounted on top of the camels and they
controlled remotely by the camel herders alongside the drenk. But

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I thought, you know, in terms of old and new Doha,
that really sort of says it all. And another great
way to sample some camel time is just head to
the sublime souk wak If in old town Doha. I've
got camel rides there around the clock, and also Arabian
horses which are just the most spectacular beasts.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Yeah. Nice, are there?

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
You go?

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
From the camels if you go down to the Soup. Yeah,
to speak of the other wildlife attraction. Are there falcons
in the suit?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Yes, there are. I was actually a bit taken Aback.
I was wandering through Hammad International Airport, got off the
plane into the arrivals hall and there were these two
lovely old men carrying their sick falcon through the airport
and that'd flown in from Kwait. I was having a
chat to them and they said, we're off to the
falcon hospital at the Souk. Apparently that hospital is considered

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the world's best for falcons. So alongside medical care for
your falcon, you can buy falcons at the Souk, and
also the accessories. It's like the animates for falcons, like
you can buy landing pads, GPS guidance systems.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
For your falcon.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
So I didn't have falcon chopping on my agenda, Jack.
But the Souk if it is the most magnificent, atmospheric,
sprawling stone complex of restored buildings and you can just
leisurely explore through those winding alleys. There are spice stalls,
there are perfumeries, handcrafted goods, great dining and superblo glarsts,

(01:35:54):
So what is it?

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Do you know that when I think of falcons and falconry,
I always think of those little hoods they wear. Yes,
what would a falconry hood cost? Any idea? If you
said to me was I would say, yep, okay for it.
If you said to me it was ten thousand dollars.
I just have absolutely no kind of scope or scale
for the falconry hood costs. Do you have any idea?

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
I would imagine it would depend on how wide your
budget spends, because I did notice you can get Gucci huts.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Of course you can, wow, and I suppose you have to.
I wonder if they like tailor them, you know, to
your falcons. I wonder if there's a range of falcon
sized heads. I just it's one of those past times.
We're clearly the people who are partaking have a lot
of money, right, and so I'm sure we're not the
first ones to work that out. And so I'm sure
there are all sorts of accessories and products that are

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suited to different different budgets. Yeah, what about something to wait?
There's some such eats and do hard that you would
recommend there are?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
I mean, obviously it's got a massive expet population because
native Kataris only make up fifteen percent of the population
of Doha, which is just extraordinary, isn't it. But if
you do want to tuck into the national dish in Kata,
it is macboos So Mark Boost is like this mashup
of rice and meat and onions and tomatoes mixed with spices.

(01:37:23):
Generally you will find it served with chicken, but I
reckon the lamb shank Mark Boose is the better bet.
If you're looking for a really special spot to dine
in soukwak if I headed to Parisa and it's this
gorgeous Persian restaurant, all mosaics, mirrored ceiling. I tried the

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watermelon and feta salad, which was just so delightful. It
was amazing. It had like little bits of cucumber and
mint in it as well, just gorgeous. And then cash
ke bottom John, which is I thought this is very jactam.
Actually it's an eggplant dip dish and it's got saffron
and caramelized onions and sour cream stuff. Yourself stupid on that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Yeah, okay, that does sound like a bit of me.
And honestly, the watermelon fetter slash and you know, watermelon
mint combo always a winner. Recrostive sounds great now I've
very quickly cheted gpt'd it. So apparently that the absolutely
you can go super luxury. So you can if you want, Mike,

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and this is probably your end of town. You can
spend more than one hundred thousand dollars on a Falconry
hood if you need there you go. You can get
the TMU version as well. So if you're going with
your team, if you can afford a falcon and yeah,
you can afford to pursue Falconry, but you feel like
you want to go team, you can spend about thirty
bucks on a Falconry hood as well. So you truly

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is a scale, isn't it. Yeah, hey, thank you so much.
Do you know I've never been to you So I
got lots of friends there of course, and heaps of
key Wes work out of the old Jazeera newsroom, So yeah,
I'm sure I'll have some reason to go and visit
some friends there at some point. But those are very
very useful tips. Indeed, we'll make sure all of Mike's
advice into Doughhart is up and available on the news

(01:39:08):
Talks HEB website and thank you so much for your
feedback this morning. Debbie has took me a note, so Jack,
you might think twice about going completely digital with all
of your personal info on your phone if you lived
in London. They reckon that a phone is stolen every
four minutes in London, and of course they are deactivated
very quickly, put on aeroplane mode. They can't be traced,
and then they're often sent overseas where they're broken down,

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rebuilt and then on sold to other countries, probably on
sold back into the British market where people buy back
their previously stolen phones. It wouldn't be inconceivable with it
before they're broken down, data is retrieved, says Debbie. Yeah,
I mean you would hope that there are I mean,
I know that there are lots of security features built
into these things. But I think you raise a really
good point in their Debbie ninety two ninety two. If

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Speaker 7 (01:39:53):
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Speaker 22 (01:40:04):
When okay, twenty seven to twelve and you still zedvy
You've jactating through it in midday.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Then Jason Pine is in for a weekend sport, counting
down the hours to kick off at twicken and the
all backs England and pining oure seat at the start
of the show. Surely if they get through that and
then the Grand Slam is done, but it's a big
if it's still it's still England at Twickenham, and then
you know, you think about last season and you know
they got pretty close.

Speaker 13 (01:40:42):
It feels like a fifty to fifty proposition to meet
Jack you reckon, Yeah, yeah, I think if you if
you didn't have skin in the game, you'd probably you know,
be be hard pushed to pick who you think is
gonna win. I know it's not meant to be that
flash weather wise in London tomorrow morning our time said
of evening. There's so whether that plays into it, not

(01:41:02):
too sure. It just as you say, though, it feels
as if they can get across this the line they
can beat England, then the Grand slammer is there. I mean,
Wales have been pretty ordinary, haven't they for the last
little while. Argentina put fifty on them last week. I
think they've lost eighteen of their last nineteen Test matches. Man,
that must sting such a proud rugby nation like Wales.
But look, we'll worry about them next week England Tomorrow,

(01:41:25):
I think it again, Jack will be a twenty three
man game. We saw the impact off the bench of
Damien McKenzie last week and others who came into the
game in the latter stages. We saw that against Ireland
two weeks ago, that last twenty minutes was fantastic from
the All Blacks. I get the feeling it'll be the
same tomorrow. That bench impact not just from us but
from them as well, and they've picked a six to

(01:41:45):
two bench will be pretty important in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
Hard to know which way it will go. I think
it'll be close.

Speaker 13 (01:41:52):
Most games in recent times between these two have been
decided by less than than five to seven points. I
think it'll be the same tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Yeah, How are you feeling about the All Whites prospects
against Columbia? No, Chris Wood, what Columbia sixteenth in the world.
They're playing in Florida, so I suppose you could say
it's neutral territory, but I suspect there are a few
more Columbians than there are kiwis in Florida for that
friendly tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:42:16):
I think you're probably right there.

Speaker 13 (01:42:18):
Yeah, and Columbia, regardless of where New Zealand play them,
are always going to be favorites, aren't they. They're a
South American side that finished above Brazil in their World
Cup qualification period, so that gives you an indication of
how good they are.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
You're right.

Speaker 13 (01:42:30):
No Chris Wood, no Libby Cacaci, no Alex Paulson, no
Ryan Thomas.

Speaker 19 (01:42:34):
So there's been some injury.

Speaker 13 (01:42:36):
Depletion in this all white squad, but the door opens
for others to have an opportunity. And these, as we've
spoken about, Jack, these are the kind of teams who
New Zealand may well face at the World Cup next year.
We are going to face a team inside the world's
top fifteen probably and it will be in a hostile environment.
So they have to just, I guess, try and replicate

(01:42:58):
at the moment what will happen at the World Cup
next year if they're going to get out of that group.
So yeah, Columbia tomorrow, then Ecuador, who are a very
good side as well, on Wednesday. At the end of
this that will be the end of the year and
just the one window I think in March and then
a couple of games before the world comes. So all
time together is important. I think that needs to be
needs to be made clear as well. Regardless of who

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they play, every time they get together it is valuable
in terms of their road to the world come.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
Yeah, for sure. And this afternoon you're going to take
a look at this suggestion around changes to our domestic
T twenty competition.

Speaker 13 (01:43:31):
Yeah, there's been a lot of discussion about this over
the last week to ten days or so. One idea
gaining traction a franchise based T twenty league, similar to
what exists in most other Tier one cricket nations. So
going to break this down after midday. We'll talk all
blacks of course as well, and all whites. And Emma
Twigs on the show too, Jack talk about talk about superhuman.
She's been to five Olympics. She's now targeting la in

(01:43:54):
coastal rowing. It's an incredible new addition to the Olympic calendar.
So Emma Twigg became a world champion in coastal rowing
a week ago, so which had to hear about her
Olympic ambitions for a sixth time this afternoon on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
SUPERB Big Show this afternoon. Yeah, looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
Hearing it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
It is, yeah, very good, Thank you, sir. Jason Pine
behind the mic for a weekend sport right after the
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Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
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Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Twelve on News Talks. He'd be two cracking books with
four big name authors this morning. Yeah, both of these
are collabs. Catherine Rains is our book reviewers. She's here
with us this morning, and Cas one better kick off
with the latest Jack Reacher tell us about Exit Strategy
by Lee and Andrew Child.

Speaker 23 (01:44:50):
So this is the Stutius in the Jack Creature novels.
And in this riches in Baltimore and he's there for
a concert and it's a little bit colder, and he
decides that he needs a new coat, but of course,
being richer, he first needs coffee. So he's sitting in
the corner of a coffee shop watching the door and
there's some things going on, and you know, he noticed
a couple of people being ripped off by con artist

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and he kind of a bit of a distraction and
he deals with that, and then as he's leaving, this
man that he later knows as a guy called Nathan
Gilmore brushes past him in the doorway and he riacherd
feels like he's been pickpocketed, but you know, it's password.
Everything else he needs is there. But actually, later on,
when he's about to throw out this old coach, he
phones this handwritten notion of his pocket with you know,

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some messages on it that is saying that life and
danger and could you know late night meeting spot, And
Rachel thinks, well, he should at least go and tell
this guy that you know, see who needs help and
tell him that, you know, why did he even know
in his pocket? And he's not the right guy. And
so Richard scouts out the meeting spot and he meets
this guy, Nathan Gilmore, and Gilmore proceeds to tell riche

(01:45:54):
this sad story. He was in military intelligence, he had
a gambling addiction, and he's returned home and as he
returned home, the stranger offered to pay offers gambling debts
and put him in this job in a port administration
in Baltimore and exchange Gilwall would feed us the information
about shipments. And then a cowork is killed in an
accident and Gilmour realizes that actually things are going badly wrong.

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And this trail leads to another guy and yeah, it's
the usual Jack Reacher. You know, wrong place, wrong time,
and in his case, not always a bad thing. He's
the type of hero you kind of one on your
side and not on the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
And this is.

Speaker 23 (01:46:27):
Typical Jack Reacher. And it's a great read, nice, exactly
as you would expect.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, but by book number thirty,
I don't think they're going to change the formula too much.
So that's an exit strategy by Lee and Andrew Child.
Next up a co lab between Harlan Coben and Reese
Witherspoon of All People Gone Before Goodbye.

Speaker 23 (01:46:48):
So this is a really interesting co lab. And in
this story you met this woman, Maggie mckab and she's
a very skilled Army combat surgeon and she's always lived
life sort of on the edge where she could make
most impact and what she specializes in his plastic surgery.
But she can do anything. But in this particular point
in time that we meet her, her life's fallen apart.
Her husband's been murdered overseas, her mother passes, and her

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partner in the medical and friend and the medical license
has gone missing. And so with all of the things
that she's dealing with, she ends up losing her medical
license when a surgery just goes awfully wrong. And then
she's recruited by almost like this white Night, a professor
who was her mentor and medical skill comes to her
with this very unusual proposal that will make most of

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her problems disappear. So next thing she knows is she
finds herself aboard these luxury private jets, winging her way
to a location that she's not sure of, and she's
asked to perform plastic surgery in this elite world where
money can buy anything. And then you know, the suspicion
starts to raise why she there? Will she ever get home?
And you end up in various places around the world,

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in Baltimore and Russia and Dubai and England, and there's
the corruption and elitism and greed and all of those
things taking center stage. And what was really interesting is
that when you're reading the stories you get these these
two authors, how they've got a very different style. I mean,
Coben's very thriller in suspense and Witherspoon's much more emotionally

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focused narrative. And there's a lot going on this book,
and it's fast paced and lots of tension, and that
the plot is really addictive, and you find yourself really
wanting to know what Maggie McCabe's going to do next
and what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
And do you reckon it is Reese Wetherspoon who's actually
been doing that, doing the work here. It feels is
a great storyteller, right, But yeah, yes, yeah, no it does.

Speaker 23 (01:48:39):
Because the narrative feels different from a Carlem Coben novel,
and it definitely feels like it's much more of a
female perspective. So yeah, definitely it's not Reese Withspoon, it
feels like it was a female author anyway, but I
think it genuinely was her. Feels a little bit like,
you know, how she would be and how she would
speak of.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Okay, yeah, very good, So that's gone before goodbye by
Harlan Coben and Reese Witherspoon. Exit Strategy as the new
Jack Reached a book by Lee Child and Andrew Child.
Both of those books will be on the News Talks.
He'd be website.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to
know Saturday Morning with Jack Tame News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
It so really you heard the last.

Speaker 14 (01:49:30):
Lam bang Ko Ma.

Speaker 24 (01:49:37):
Las timbers us here the crystal can dress.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
Killer No bet is Rosalia. The song is called Reliquia.
She's got a brand new album called lux and Chris
Shultz has been listening. Good morning, Jack.

Speaker 19 (01:50:13):
Did you get all that? Did you understand it?

Speaker 11 (01:50:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
She was running through It was a bit of a
like a Tokyo Berlin Buenos Aire's situation. But no, I
didn't quite get all of it. Relicia, I can tell
you that much. That means relic in Spanish. But well done. Yeah,
that's about you know.

Speaker 19 (01:50:28):
That is the thing with this album. It is her
fourth album. It's very different to her first three. Her
first three albums followed this kind of traditional pop structure.
There were hip hop bangers and there were dance bangers.
And she's got this great voice. She was always mostly
singing in Spanish. She is one of the most popular
Spanish artists. I think she's got one of She's got

(01:50:50):
twelve number ones in her home country, she's one Grammys,
she's headline Coachella. Yeah, everyone knows of her. But this
album is the one where she's jettisoned all that and
she's just gone for it. This is fifteen songs, I
think eighteen on the physical copies. It's split into four parts.
It's referencing ancient religions and sacred texts and saints and yeah,

(01:51:13):
she's singing in thirteen different languages.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
Yea, as you do.

Speaker 19 (01:51:18):
It's a whole lot. I tried listening to this in
an airport for the first time, and it was too much.
I could not take it in too busy.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
She said.

Speaker 19 (01:51:24):
This is her rejection of TikTok culture, of playlist streaming culture.
She wants you to listen to this as a full
body of work in a darkened room with fifteen minutes. Jack,
I'm a dad with two kids. I don't get fifteen
minutes in a darken room to myself. But I did
give it a go. I listened to a few songs,
and it does connect more when you do.

Speaker 3 (01:51:44):
That, Yeah, yeah, yeah, when you can actually focus on
it as it were. Ah, yes, because yeah, I mean
she's like, I am not someone who's known for being
up with the cool music, but I have listened to
a bit of Roselia over the years, and she is
a bit of a kind of unique entity. But it
feels like she's at the apex of the Spanish language
music movement at the moment. Is that fair?

Speaker 19 (01:52:06):
Her and Bad Bunny, I would say, are right up there,
not just not just in Spain, but like around the world.

Speaker 9 (01:52:13):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:52:13):
Bad Bunny I think has topped the Spotify streaming charts
three of the last five years.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Wow.

Speaker 19 (01:52:19):
Huge, He's headlining the super Bowlah, of course he's massive.
Rosalia is massive. Like I said, I streamed her coach
Alli set and magnificent. You know, the language barrier doesn't
really matter. You can feel the intention and emotion behind
the music. My problem with this album, which has been
widely praised by almost every credit ninety seven percent on Metacritic,

(01:52:43):
it is one of the highest rating albums of the year.
I've got a bit of a different take, and that
is that this is an album you can admire. It's
really hard to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 19 (01:52:57):
There's no bangers, there's very little kind of the trap beats.
There's no kind of pop song. She's recorded with the
London Symphony Orchestra and often it's just the orchestra and
her voice, which is stunning. Yeah, but it feels like
someone's on a stage doing showhands, belting out these operatic

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anthems at you. Yeah, but you can't see what's happening
on stage.

Speaker 23 (01:53:22):
You know.

Speaker 19 (01:53:22):
It's like a movie that you're listening to the soundtrack
of that you haven't seen.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
As harder to connect as a result. Yeah, that's that's
really interesting because even when we were just playing that song,
it like I was like, is this is the is
the chorus coming up here? What's happening like that? I'm
waiting for that. I'm waiting for a catchy bit. And
it was like, oh, it's beautiful sounding, but it's not
necessarily something that's going to stick in my head. And
if you are a pop musician, maybe I don't know,

(01:53:47):
maybe it's nice to do that.

Speaker 19 (01:53:48):
No, it's really interesting because here in Altero, we you know,
bad Bunny is playing Australian Yes year, he's not coming
here and there's a reason for that. I was at
an events conference with Live Nation the biggest touring comany
in the world, and they said that that kind of
music hasn't really connect it. Maybe that's because our population

(01:54:09):
base is too small. We don't have enough Spanish speaking
residents to fill I mean, these artists are at stadium levels.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 19 (01:54:16):
Huge, so to come here that they wouldn't be able
to do that because we just don't have that audio.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Interesting. Hey, before we let you go on, before we
give us a rating on lucks from rossall actually do that.
They do the rating first, so Medico gets his ninety
seven percent. Everyone's giving it five stars, but Chris Shultz
is actually six. Okay, no, we appreciate that. We appreciate
the honest.

Speaker 19 (01:54:38):
I feel bad though, I feel bad about that.

Speaker 5 (01:54:40):
This is good.

Speaker 19 (01:54:41):
It might go up with more lessons, but I need
that time in a darkening room to myself.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Yeah, no, totally get it. This is good. This is
good Oasis.

Speaker 19 (01:54:49):
Holy wow. That was worth every cent because of the fans. Yeah,
one hundred percent. Because of the fans. The happiest, the
drunkest fans I've ever seen. I didn't see a single
posh or shove or argument. Everyone was just over the moon.
This thing happening that they never thought would happen. It
was the biggest song a sing along you've ever seen.

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I've never seen that many people together in a stadium before,
and I've never seen that many people.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Just so happy.

Speaker 19 (01:55:16):
They were hilariously happy. I saw these two big, burly
guys during Roll with It, sing every word, hug each
other for ages, and then I've just watched one of
them lean into his ear and go, I love you man.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
You're like, yeah, OK, yeah, see that probably isn't gonna
happen with lux from us, but that's all right, but
perhaps tending to different taste. Hey, thank you so much.
I'm glad that you had a wonderful time last weekend.
I was certainly burning with envy after we spoke, so
I'm really pleased that it lived up to your expectations
on that front. We will pick another song to play

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you from Rosalia's new album in a couple of minutes,
maybe something that is a bit interesting, and we will
catch you again very soon. Of course, you can find
Chris Shultz on his substack. His substack is called boiler Room.
Right now, it is six to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
O crazy to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack
Team News Talk sipp.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Okay, Jason Pine is standing by for a big episode
of Weekend Sport right after the midday news on News
Talks NP. Thank you very much for all of your
advice on not going one d percent digital just yet.
I swear I will keep something, whether it's a bit
of plastic, whether it's a bit of cash, I'll keep
something for when Armageddon arrives. We're back with you next
Saturday morning from nine o'clock until the end. A massive

(01:56:36):
thanks to my wonderful producer Libby, and we're going to
leave you with Rossala. Her new album is lux This
is Divine Eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
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