Full Show Podcast: 19 October 2024

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EDB eighteen losses out of twenty one games. Just think

(00:51):
about that, eighteen losses out of twenty one games. That
was the White Ferns record heading into this T twenty
World Cup. They make the semifinal, it comes down to
the last over fifteen runs required for the West Indies
to make the final and knock the White Ferns out.
Susie Bates has handed the ball for the first time
in the entire tournament. The first ball of that last

(01:13):
over goes to the boundary four runs. The White Ferns
have been penalized. They can only have three players outside
the ring because of the over eight penalty. That means
their defenses with what eleven runs left, are as thin
as as possible in this format of the game. What
does Susie Baits do? She steps up to the moment,
Big time players, make big time plays. An extraordinary last

(01:37):
few balls dot wicket one dot White Ferns win. Remarkable
given that lost eighteen out of the last twenty one
games that they should be making the final of the
T twenty Women's World Cup. My goodness, it is a
crazy weekend of sport. It is one of those like
for this time of year when we don't actually have
any rug beyond we have a remarkable smallas board of

(02:00):
sporting delights this weekend. We've got Liam Lawson, we've got
football on this weekend of course, and we've got the
black Caps in a remarkable position against India. So we're
gonna be looking at all of that this morning on
News Talks. He'd be as well as that. After ten o'clock,
our feature interview is the author of Warhorse, Michael Morpurgo
is going to be with us from the UK. He's
just he is such a uniquely talented storyteller. So I'm

(02:25):
going to ask him about his latest book. I'm gonna
ask him about his time with Roald Dahl as well.
So really looking forward to that. He's gonna be with
us after ten o'clock this morning. Right now, it is
nine minutes past nine, Jack dam, I gotta say I
never thought I would support Auckland in anything, in anything,
I mean, duh, I'm from christ Church. So when I

(02:46):
was a kid, you know I was, it was a
given that Aucklands were nothing more than lata swilling, overpriced
haircut donning ostentatious sports car driving prima donnas. You know
it was a given. And look, my parochialism isn't the
only force working against Auckland City FC. When the brand

(03:10):
new club kicks off in its very first A League
match this evening, it faces the unique challenge that comes
from trying to launch a new team and a new
club and a competition that is already well established. Just
think about it, right, Most of the teams we support
in different sports have either been around since the competition's

(03:32):
inception or have built up a fan base over years
or even decades. You know, I support the Crusaders because
I was born and raised in christ Church, and when
Super Rugby was established, they were the team of everyone
in my life. Makes sense. I support Liverpool in the
English Premier League because when I was six or seven

(03:52):
years old and watching football highlights on the news, I
asked my dad, who's English and who likes football, what
English club we support? He said, ERH, Liverpool, I guess,
and so I stuck with that the Warriors. They inspire
my loyal to because for all the highs and lows,
and yes there are so many lows, they have endured

(04:12):
for thirty years and never really shaken off the underdog status.
And hey, they are the New Zealand Warriors, don't forget,
not the Auckland Warriors. So we're good theoretically at least.
It is a bit harder to inspire loyalty in a
team that arrives late to the party, especially when that
team is the third Auckland based professional football club to

(04:35):
compete in the Australian Top League rip to the Auckland
Kings with the zugh and the New Zealand Knights. Also,
I really love the Phoenix. I love the Wellington Phoenix.
I love the fan culture and the club has been
out playing so well over the last few years. I
don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I think there's a

(04:56):
risk that any rivalry in a Kiwi Darby in the
a League, the Phoenix versus the Knights could just feel
a little bit forced bab at least early on. Right.
But for all of that, I've got to say Auckland
FC has one massive dynamic working in its favor People
in the nine are so ready for a proper football team.

(05:22):
They are so ready for this moment. You see it
every time the Phoenix play at Eden Park, you see
it at all Whites games, You see it on the
sidelines of however many thousand junior football games on Saturday mornings.
Sure it might take a few seasons to deepen the
well of loyalty for the club, but you would be
hard pressed to find a city or a market on

(05:43):
Earth that isn't hungrier for a team to support. And
so tonight I will be there. I will be one
of the more than twenty thousand at a sold out
go Media Stadium. I must have a dozen friends attending.
We're all taking kids. Some have already bought season passes.
You can hold the fancy haircut, you can hold the lattes.

(06:07):
But I will be proudly crossing the rubicon, dressed in blue.
And if, in years to come anyone should question my
loyalty to AFC, well at least I can say I
was there from day one. Jack Tam ninety two. Ninety
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It's thirteen past nine. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday Morning
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Speaker 3 (06:58):
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MB sixteen past nine on your Saturday Morning, Jack. I
don't even follow soccer, but I'm with the Auckland team
coming on board. I'm so nervous. I'm excited. I think
soccer is growing. Here go the Phoenix is Lee Jack.
What was going media stadium beforehand? It's Mount Smart, It's YEP,
one of the same. Oh this is bad. I guess

(07:28):
I was. In my excitement, I was listing off all
the amazing sports this weekend. Okase, let's let's try it again,
because I missed, missed rather an important one. Okay. We've
got the White Ferns making the Tea twenty women World
Cup at Women's World Cup Final. We've got the black
Caps in a remarkable position against India. We've got Liam
Lawson kicking off his qualifying in just over an hour
for the first sprint race of the US F one.

(07:52):
We've got the football and I don't know if you've heard,
but it's match point in the America's Cup. Whoops, a
little bit of a little bit of a miss one there,
See what I mean? It is a remarkable weekend of sport.
Kevin Milner's with us this morning, more than a Kevin
mor Ejack.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Did I hear you say we don't have any rugby
on this weekend? We do have the semi finals of
the NPC with your team?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, team?

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, Well what I should have said is we don't
have an all backs test. We don't have an all
backs test? Is that is that? Okay?

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I know, I know you're right, because I actually do
love the I love the I love the NPC. So
I that was very remissive with me, Kevin.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
I'm sorry that I can forgive you because cricket has
been absolutely astonishing, hasn't it ever the last few days? Yes,
last night, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, last night was so good. I just know it's
so good. I mean, look, I'm the first to bag
tea twenties, you know. I just it feels honestly, it
just feels like you're rolling the dice most of the
time for me. But they have given the record coming
into this competition, uh, and the pressure that was on
the White Ferns, and given how they have performed, I
just think I don't think it's incredible. So yeah, and
that last over from Susie Baks, my goodness, it was exciting.

(09:05):
So yes, lots to get excited about this weekend. And
you've had excitement in your week already, Kevin. You saw
the comet pass by.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I saw the comet. I saw the comet where our
house is in the perfect position, and we looked straight
out and see straight to the western horizon. And so
I've been staring out that window most of the week,
starting from Wednesday, on and I saw the comment on
Wednesday which people have been saying. There's been warnings that

(09:35):
it may well have been the flight the Auckland.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Of christ Church flight in New Zealand light.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
And in a way, if it was, it doesn't matter,
because the thing is that for me, seeing the comet,
or what at least I thought was the comet, filled
me with awe. It gave me much to think about.
It's a comment that the newspapers tell me hasn't been
seen in our skies for eighty thousand years now. I
don't know how anyone could have seen it in our

(10:04):
skies eighty thousand years ago. The human history of New
Zealand Onty dates back what seven hundred years? There wouldn't
have been anybody here to see it. Maybe some animals
or birds, perhaps eighty thousand years. It's a hell of
a long time ago. The world's first ever structures had
only just been built by Homo Sabbians in Africa. But

(10:27):
what I found more consuming was looking ahead because other
reports reckon Comet twenty twenty three A three won't be
seen in our skies for another eighty thousand years. I'm
not sure if that's correct. Actually, but it made me
consider how we're all going to be looking in eighty
thousand years. We're going to be dust. Jack, You the

(10:49):
handsome young guy, me the old guy, are finally going
to be looking the same, indistinguishable just dust. If you're
miss seeing the comet this week, Jack, we can say
with a large degree of confidence you're not going to
see it next time. Then it went through my mind,
will there be anybody living in New Zealand to see

(11:11):
the comment in eighty thousand years time, in the year
eighty two and twenty four, will there be anybody still
living on this planet anywhere? I put all these huge
questions to Linda, my wife, but unbelievably, she was more
interested in whether Christian Cullen was going to win celebrity Treasurialah.

(11:33):
Sometimes Jack, I wonder how Linda and I have survived
forty six years of marriage.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
It's probably precisely why you've survived forty six years of marriage.
I would think, given, yeah, Ah, that is that is
so special that you saw it. It's funny, Oh, how
like there's something primal in us, like when you have
that a little cosmic connection, like I just find it. Honestly,
you know, because I spend so much time in cities.

(11:59):
When I'm out in the wilderness and I see stars,
I've there's something quite profound that happens. You know, there's
where you get that scene that you just you are
just to speak of dust and the context of the
entire universe. You know, it's something there's something really, yeah,
really really profound about that. And honestly something profound about
watching Christian Cullen on SBRI Trusa Island as well. I

(12:20):
loved it. I thought he was he was the star
for me, you know, the way.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
For me too, the way that's quite slightly awkward kind
of guy apart from when he played the game, was
going to turn out to be the star, the lovely,
lovely guy.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah. Yeah, but but not not only that. I just
loved episode one when Michelle Langstone was so excited to
be camping and out and he was like, I hate
I hate camping, I hate sleeping around other people. I
don't really like the outdoors. And then he already say
he said, I haven't really done any exercise since I
stopped playing rugby years ago. You're like, okay, wonderful mother.

(13:00):
Yeah he was, he was, he was He was a
real talent on that show. I loved it. Hey, thank
you so much. Kevin really appreci share. Look this just
We've got Ali Williston in the World Champs, riding to
you know, riding to win in the elimination race. It's remarkable.
We've got Lydia Coe playing in Korea. It really is
an amazing weekend. So we'll see how our sporto is

(13:22):
trying to prioritize things. In a couple of minutes, it's
twenty two Pars nine on NEWSTALKSZB.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
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Speaker 1 (13:31):
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your health professional. Twenty six past nine on News Talks,
he'd be it is almost impossible to prioritize the various
exciting sporting events of the weekend and achievements of the weekend.
But our sporto Andrew Savill is here to do just that.
And sav I reckon, we got to start with the
white ferns this morning.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Yeah, I don't think I listened to earlier Jack. I
don't think we've seen a weekend like this for a
very very long time. Grab your pen and pencil or
pen and paper, rush or pencil or iPhone or whatever
you're right on, am cup if one black cats, white Ferns.
You've got Auckland FC's first game today, Phoenix tomorrow, n
PC semi finals today, the Heartland Final between Mid Canabry

(15:27):
and Thames Valley YEP is today. The Everest the world's
richest race on turf for horses six fifteen this evening
in Sydney. The Silver Ferns play OZ tomorrow and the
Netbourne the Breakers play tonight as well. And I probably
missed a couple of things. A cup, oh yes, sorry
no I mentioned that number one, number one Americs Cup. Yes,

(15:47):
but let so as you can imagine a very very
busy weekend the head. Yes, the White Ferns were gee,
they did. They were trying to lose that game. In
certain parts of the match. The Westerndies almost got there.
The White Ferns scored one twenty eight to nine off
their twenty and the Windys won twenty for eight.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
So that lasts over though that last over, so SUSI
those hadn't played.

Speaker 8 (16:12):
Hadn't bowled all and bowled the whole tournament.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Now the whole thing, and this bowl was the last over.
Wendy's need fifteen. And remember they had their restrictions on
because the over eight so they could only have three
players outside the circle lead.

Speaker 8 (16:23):
Days and T twenty crickets for scene.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Ain't too much really, no, not at all, especially when
the first ball goes for four, so then Windy's needed
eleven off five and yeah, big time players made big
time players, you know it was.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
It was amazing, even though she hadn't bowled the whole tournament.
You'd struggle to find someone else to throw the ball
to with that sort of experience. Young Eden Carson took
three wickets merely kerk two. So they play now the
South Africans and the World Cup T twenty five on
Monday morning at three am. Considering they lost their last

(16:56):
ten matches heading into the World Cup, this is a
staggering turnaround.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, it really is. How do you reckon? Liam Lawson
is feeling right now.

Speaker 8 (17:07):
I think he'll be pretty happy. Thirteenth in the only
practice session in Texas in the F one. The Sprint
race qualifying is on soon at ten thirty, then the
Sprint race itself the shortened sprint races tomorrow morning at
seven o'clock before the full Grand Prix on Monday our time.
Yuki Sonoda his racing bulls teammate was tenth fastest, zero

(17:32):
point one three of a second ahead of Liam Lawson.
So he's not too far off his teammate. And what
you've got to remember, Jack, is these guys have been
racing in these cars the whole season. Lawson hasn't. He's
had a couple of test drives here in the year.
But to step into an F one machine and to
post the thirteenth fastest time out of what twenty I

(17:55):
think is very very good. Sergio Piri is under all
sorts of pressure in the top Red Bull team. He
was sixteenth fast. He has some real issues. He's got
Liam Lawson breathing down his neck. It's hope. At ten
thirty in the sprint race qualifying, Liam Lawson does well well.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I just was talking about this with producer Andy in
the office before and he was saying, you know, he
gets nervous enough if he's just driving his mates around town.
He feels like someone's going to criticize his driving. Just
imagine the pressure.

Speaker 8 (18:25):
I just millions and millions and millions. The first thing
you don't want to do, the first thing you're trying
not to do, is wrap it around the lamp post.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yes, yeah. Yeah, still they still at the starting blocks.
You know, those one car is it's not an easy
vehicle to drive.

Speaker 8 (18:40):
They're extremely hard to drive. They obviously go very fast
and they're pulling a huge amount of gs through every corner.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
I know his dad was watching intently with in cooka
cod this morning. His mum doesn't watch him race. You'll
be upstairs with the headphones on, pacing around the house
getting updates from one of her other kids on the phone.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, honestly, I don't blame her, I can, I can.
I think I'd be in the same way.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
Okay, So because cut one of a six ' two
match points, so they'll probably wrap it up tonight. Well
done to Ratch and Ravendra the black Caps batsman, for
getting a ton in the city where his parents were
born in India. It's the first black Caps century in
India for twelve years and the black Caps are still
what one twenty five ahead India seven wickets left to

(19:27):
post some sort of target. That game could still go
either way.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, I'll be honest with you, I'm a little bit nervous, yes,
little bit and a little bit nervy, but I don't
winniful Day five. Yeah, yeah, it's going to rain pressures.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
And then we must mention Auckland f see very different
I think, very different field. Jack You may you may
agree to disagree. Different feel to this team compared to
the Knights or the other Auckland teams that have been
in the A League.

Speaker 9 (19:55):
This has the.

Speaker 8 (19:56):
Real sort of star feel to it. Obviously, big time
owners it will attract a lot of star power the
game today. Stephen Adams on the ownership group, just I
think these are how times have changed. Twenty thirty years ago,
an Auckland team in the A League wouldn't have guarded

(20:16):
too much attention. But because we live in these times
of social media and influencing and what have you, is
this has developed quite a big following already. They're thinking
about twenty thousand.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I'm going to be there today, so yeah, got
on you.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
We'll wait and see.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, how they go. I think it's gonna be. I
think the moment is now. There's just there's so much
demand for it.

Speaker 8 (20:36):
And then yeah, huge footballing, huge footballing audience in Auckland. Yeah,
and they need but the bottom line Jackers though, they
need to win or they need to perform on the
field to have that to keep, to keep that support.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
But let's see how they go.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
Good to start so far.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Very good. Thank you, sir, how Sport Andrew saviill there,
thank you very much for your feedback. Jack absolutely loves
celebrity treasure on and I thought Cully was the best too.
And I'm eighty, says Marie.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
He was just.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Sillybray trees, violent as you can't hide. So everyone goes
in thinking like, oh, you know, I'm going to like
come across as a really good person. But once you're
in day three, you're cold, you're hungry, you've had a
terrible sleep, you're sleeping, bags wet, all of that gets
very hard to kind of keep up any false appearances.
So you get to see people's authentic self. When Culley

(21:26):
Sidley came through on that front. Right now it is
twenty seven minutes to ten, we've got your movie picks.
Next on news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 10 (21:32):
But do you have someone for me?

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I got loads? Can you guess who it is?

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Did?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Did do?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Do? Do?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
There's Carlie Minoak. She's back. Carlie's back a well, she's
been in the business again. People bug in for a
long long time. Now, but she's just got a new album.
That song is called Someone for Me. Kind of catch
he oh twenty four to ten on news talks, he'd
be time to catch up with our film review of
Francesca Rudkin to get her picks for this weekend killed her.

Speaker 11 (22:10):
How many times have we said she's back?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, she's never gone. Maybe.

Speaker 12 (22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
I wonder how many albums she's done. I'm going to
google that. I'm going to see how many albums Kylie
Minogue has done. But I quite didn't mind that felt,
you know, felt felt very on brand for one a
bit of a better term. She sold eighty million records.
Yeah that's a lot. That's a few, Yeah, that is
a lot.

Speaker 13 (22:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Anyway, she's well, here goes. She's been active since nineteen
seventy nine, so yeah, I think we probably should stop
saying she's back. Anyway. So we've got two different films
to talk about this morning. I'm going to start off
by having a little bit of a listen to our
first one. This is merchant Ivory.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Merchant Ivory, it was just a golden period.

Speaker 9 (23:03):
I mean, basically, they made the films they wanted to meet.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
It required an immense amount of stamina to work for
Merchant Ivory.

Speaker 14 (23:14):
At the end of every movie, everyone says never again.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay. So this is a documentary looking at the relationship
between the director, James Ivory and the producer Ishmael Merchant.

Speaker 8 (23:28):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (23:28):
And so this is Screening is part of the British
and Irish Film Festival and it is kicking off on
the twenty third of October. It's running to the thirteenth
of November. I love this festival because it really does
go across the country. It's going to be in twenty cities.
It's got about thirty cinema partners and they've got a
really great program this year. And this documentary of Screening

(23:49):
is part of the Film Festival, and it takes a
look at this film company that took art house period
drama and turned them into sort of mainstream global hits.
And the company was founded in the sixties by Ismael
Merchant who is mentioned as the producer, and James Ivory,
who was the director writer, and they were life and
business partners from aboutnineteen sixty one through to Merchant's death
in two thousand and five. And they also work with

(24:11):
Ruth Bucko, who scripted a lot of their films as well.
In the eighties they became very well known. They did
a series of films such as Quartete, Heat and Dust
and The Bostonians. But in nineteen eighty five they released
A Room with a View, and many of our listeners
will remember this film. It kind of encapsulated what merchant

(24:33):
Ivory was all about. They were renowned for creating films
that resonated universally. They had these lush settings, beautiful music,
and these complex characters and launched many careers and then
often worked regularly with the same cast films such as
Morris Howard's End, Remains of the Day, Jefferson and Paris
Surviving Potasso, So that all these films will ring a bell,

(24:56):
and they came from this one production company. But the
same about merchant Ivory was even thong. They were hugely successful.
The way that kind of films were distributed and things
in those days. They never had any money. So Eshmael
was a firecrackers that everybody calls them, sort of like
lots of people, a lot of famous names. In this film,

(25:16):
they call him a corn artist, and he was just
he was a night me to deal with. He never
had enough money he never paid on time.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
He'd say.

Speaker 11 (25:22):
He sort of said to one one costume designer, and
I think that there were four costumed four people working
on costumes with the room of the views, like hundreds
and hundreds of them, he said. Afterwards, on the next
film she worked on, he said, Ah, I got you
an oscar? Do I really need to pay you? And
she's like, yeah, you kind of do. So there's all
these fabulous stories and Hugh Grant talks about it as

(25:44):
being a wonderful time in filmmaking, and he says, in
those days, we fancied each other on seat, you know,
the sick crackled with subliminal lust.

Speaker 13 (25:53):
And nowadays you go.

Speaker 11 (25:54):
On set, you go on seat and everyone's just sitting
there on their phones, not communicating. So lots of wonderful
stories about the background. So they just constantly struggled to
get these films up and running. And then you had
James who was just this gentle choir director and people
talk about he was just so calm. They were just
they were they were just complete opposites who came together
to create some incredibly well known films. It's a really

(26:16):
delightful look at this production. I love the behind the
scenes part of story in this one's fabulous.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
That sounds great, Okay, So that is merchant ivory as
you say that showing at the British and Irish Film Festival.
Also showing at that festival is The Return.

Speaker 11 (26:31):
Yes, and this is this film reunites the English patient
stars Ralphine's Andrewette Binoche for the first time. This is
a new take on the Odyssey, but it kind of
starts after all the actions taken off and it kind
of picks up when our hero returns home after being
away for twenty years, and it's really the story of

(26:52):
him reuniting with his wife Penelope and finds of Anosha.
Both really remarkable. I mean, I can't take my eyes
off them when they're on the screen together. But this adaptation,
it's very stripped back. It's kind of got a theatrical
edge to it. It takes its time, There is a
lot of silence. This is very much kind of an
art house, you know, adaptation of this story for a

(27:16):
discerning film goer, but you know, it's got these really
interesting themes of virtue and violence and the nature of man.

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Look.

Speaker 11 (27:22):
For me, it was a little sluggish, but I just
love seeing these two on screen. There is another film
I would highly recommend also in the film festival. It's
called Conclave and it's from the director of All Quiet
on the Western Front, and this is getting huge reviews.
There's quite a few films which are coming straight from
the Toronto Film Right and you Can Film Festival, so
this will be the first time we get to see them,
so definitely worth grabbing a program and checking it out.

(27:46):
British and Irish Film Festival dot co dot film said
very good.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Okay, hey did you see the film war Horse? Do
you mean Horse? Yeah? Yeah, I'm putting it on the spot. Yeah. Yeah,
so that well, you know the author of that store.
Do you ever read the book as well?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
No idea?

Speaker 11 (28:06):
Oh no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
The author's name Michael Morpurgo.

Speaker 15 (28:10):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (28:11):
So we brought my children when they were younger with
all his books were the most amazing books to give
young readers.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, they are to kind of absorb big.

Speaker 11 (28:20):
Themes in the world. I love his books.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
You've nailed it. You've given the exact answer that I
wanted you to give there, So thank you very much
for Yeah. He's with us after ten o'clock this morning.
He's got some really remarkable like special new books, so
he's going to tell us about that after ten o'clock
this morning. And as Francisca says, this year's British and
Irish Film Festival has an incredible selection of films. So

(28:44):
if you go to British Film Festival dot co do
on NZ you will find your cup of TB at drama, comedy,
documentaries and more. It is screening nationwide from this Wednesday,
the twenty third of October through to the thirteenth of November,
and we have double tickets to be won, so in
order to be in the draw, going register at Newstalk
zb dot co dot NZ forward slash win and while

(29:08):
you're on the news talk ZIBI website you'll be able
to find Francesca's recommendations those films. Merchant Ivory was that
first documentary and the second one is The Return. Right now,
it is seventeen to ten.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through
the weekend with bpure dot co dot in here for
high quality supplements used talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
It's a ten non news talks EDB. I have been
looking forward to this conversation so much NECKI works out.
Cook is here this morning with I've said it, NICKI,
I've said it already. My favorite cake, my favorite cake,
which is a big call because I love a carrot cake. Yeah,
I love a carrot cake. But I only really I
got into a hummingbird cake vibe because I I've mentioned

(29:53):
them before, but I'm a huge fan of Ripe Cafe
and Deli and Auckland. Yes, yeah, and they make me
of your prey. Oh my gosh, they make this ridiculously
decadent hummingbird cake. In fact, I got one for my
wife recently, and it was a classic thing where I
sort of I ordered a cake that I wanted for
her birthday, and then of course I did, and then

(30:15):
it just turns out that she loves it even more
than me. So you know that's fine.

Speaker 16 (30:19):
Oh You're a match. You're a match made in heaven exactly.
And look, I agree with you anyone who loves a
carrot cake. Actually, anyone who loves a banana cake as well.
I feel like the hummingbird cake is definitely not the
humble hummingbird cake. It really does take those two cakes,
the banana and the carrot cake, to the next level.

(30:39):
A lot of people haven't heard of hummingbird cake?

Speaker 3 (30:41):
What is that?

Speaker 16 (30:43):
You'll see it a lot in cafes, but no one
really asks, oh, you know, what's the story with it?
I like to say it is if a carrot or
a banana cake went on a bit of a Jamaican
holiday and they meet up with a bit of pineapple,
some warming spices and had a good old time out
for a bit of coconut and there if you like
as well, it's awesome, it's great. Look this recipe here,

(31:05):
So I know you mean. I sometimes make a sort
of four layered hummingbird cake that is quite extravagant and extraordinary,
and if I was running right cafe, that's also what
I would do. However, this one is a nice, little
humble version. It makes a nice, neat little cake that
you can split through the middle and put some of
the frosting in there. So this is what we get,
what we do for the cake. One and a half

(31:27):
cup you're going to get all of the dry ingredients together.
One and a half cups of just plain flour. You
could substitute one and a quarter cups of gluten free
flour if you like. Three quarters of a cups of
brown sugar, half a cup of dessicated coconut. I don't
always put coconut in my hummingbird. You could leave it out.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (31:46):
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. One heat teaspoon of cinnamon.
You could also put some allspice in there as well,
maybe half a teaspoon and then half a teaspoon each
of baking powder and baking soda. Both of those are
going to give our cakes some lift. So you're gonna
just whisk all of that up, all of those dry
ingredients in one bowl, in another bowl to beat together.

(32:07):
Two medium to large eggs, three quarters a cup of oil.
I think this is the key for this cake. It
is so moist and fantastic without being gluggy, and it's
because it's got oil. And I think that really is
the key. With some cakes, I use grape seed oil.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
Two.

Speaker 17 (32:23):
I just I just do you.

Speaker 16 (32:25):
With my bananas, I've got to two ripe bananas. Two
ripe bananas, I just throw in there, and I don't
bother to sort of mash them beforehand, because that's another
dish that I need to wash.

Speaker 12 (32:37):
What I do is I just break off bits.

Speaker 16 (32:39):
And then I beat it all together with the oil,
and then what you want to do is you want
to pour the wet mixture into the dry mixture and
then add in one cup of crushed pineapple with about
a quarter of a cup of juice and just stir
all of that together to well, you've got a lovely batter.
Don't overmix it. Scrape that batter into a tin I've got.

(33:00):
You can use anything from a twenty to a twenty
three centimeat around tin that you've greased and mind oven
is on one eighty and it takes a good while,
you know, forty five to fifty five minutes, and the
price of their variation and the time there is really
because if you've got a smaller tin, it's going to
be a deeper cake and it'll take about ten to

(33:21):
fifteen minutes longer to cook. You want to make sure
a skewer comes out nice and clean, and then rest
that cake for about ten minutes before you turn it out.
And of course, I wonder Jack if the bit you
really love about a humming bird cake is the icing
which has cream cheese in it.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I honestly think that is a big part of it.
If I'm totally which is how I can a cat
to a carrot cake. Yeah, yes, I mean you know,
it's not a bad thing. Yeah, it's not a bad thing,
especially if you can do how to take that down? Yeah? Gone,
sorry you go, no, no, no.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Well I take my cream.

Speaker 16 (33:56):
Cheese ice into the next level by making one hundred
grams worth of brown butter. That's that slightly bird biscuity
kind of butter. You just melt it in a pot.
It sounds flashed, but it's super easy. You keep cooking it.
It'll splutter away. Keep that spluttering going for about four
to six minutes until it's spluttering stops. Turn the temperature

(34:17):
down a little bit, and then it'll start to foam
and it starts to brown because that's the milk solids
getting getting cooked. If you like, and it smells all biscuity,
you want it to have that lovely nutty aroma. Cool
that completely. So I often do that this part before
I start making the cake, all whilst the.

Speaker 15 (34:34):
Cake is cooking.

Speaker 16 (34:35):
Once it's called you want to beat that with, you know,
two hundred and fifty grams of full fat yes I
mean full fat cream cheese and round about one to
one and a half cups of icing sugar and make
sure your icing sugar is nice and chilled, and that'll
stop it going too running. And you smother that all
over the cooled cake. Maybe, as I mentioned at the start,

(34:57):
you know, split it in the middle and put some
of the frosting in the middle, and then you've got
this beautiful two laid cake with still a nice, big
thick layer of icing on top.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
To do what they do. Then it is one hundred
percent of my dream cat. You then get a little
bit of like caramel sauce, like assualted caramel at the
very top of a little caramel sauce.

Speaker 16 (35:17):
Cray some crush toasted walnuts.

Speaker 12 (35:21):
This is the thing.

Speaker 16 (35:22):
You can go all out. It's okay. I expect many
of our listeners will be making this this.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Week as someone who obviously has a bit of a
sweet tooth, just a bit of one. I have not you.
I've just you said, chill your icing sugar. Yeah, So
that weird is that I've do it before, you.

Speaker 16 (35:42):
Know, I've just started doing it. I start, I've started
keeping my ice and sugar in the freezer because I
had a couple of batches of icing, you know, cream cheese,
if you using cream cheese or muscapone, and then I
put my icing sugar in it. And on these days
that start to get warmer, the whole things turns runny
and and you think, oh, I just need to add
more icing sugar. It just gets runninger and running.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I've had that, so I asked, Yeah.

Speaker 16 (36:07):
I asked a wonderful little friend of mine from Nippy's
Eatable Art, and she's a cake baker, and I asked her,
what do I do here? And she said, oh, you
really need to keep your ice and sugar in the
freezer because it'll keep it nice and chilled, and then
it doesn't go running. And she is right. You get
fluffy frosting if you do that.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's such a good tip. A good tip, isn't it.
Here you go top of the text machine, Jack Nicki's
Hummingbird cake is amazing. I've had rave reviews from my
friends as it's the best cake ever. Thank you, Nikki.
There you go, good, there you go.

Speaker 13 (36:39):
I do it.

Speaker 16 (36:40):
I do it periodically over the years, and Jacket's always
at about this time of the year that I tuned
to the humming cake because there's not a lot of
other fruits in season. You're not making a lemon cake.
You're not making a freshberry cake with blueberries. So you
turn to your good old staples of bananas and canned
crushed fine apple grace.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I think I know it to win them. Thank you
so much. We're going to make sure that recipe is
up and available online Newstalks zb dot co dot mz
Ford slash Jack After ten o'clock. If watching the America's
Cup has got you into a bit of a Barthelona
state of mind, we're going to tell you about this
amazing news show. It sounds very very interesting, called The Diplomat.
So basically it's a BBC drama about staff who are

(37:20):
working at the British console in Barcelona as they fight
to protect British nationals who find themselves in trouble. So yeah,
it's a kind of a kind of a spy drama
slash diplomacy drama that's set in a beautiful city. So
what could go wrong? We'll tell you more about that
after ten o'clock. Right now it is seven minutes to.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Ten, giving you the inside scoop on all you need
to know. Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot
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Speaker 2 (37:47):
News Talk said be I mean, we're really honestly, this
list never ends. Jeff has just send me a note
to say, Jack, on top of all the sports you've
mentioned this morning, we also have Kiwi Slash Aussie, but
we're gonna call them a key this morning. Jack Miller
racing in the Moto GP at Philip Island tomorrow and Monday.
Thank you very much for that, Jeff, thank you for
all of your texts and emails. I'm going to get
to more of those. Ten o'clock this morning. So the

(38:08):
qualifying for the US IF one sprint begins at ten
thirty our time, so Liam Mawson will be back on track.
I will let you know how he goes in that qualifying.
It's for the sprint race they have. Of course, it's
not the actual Grand Prix for the weekend. It's kind
of the warm up to the Grand Prix. So this
is the qualifying for the warm up to the Grand Prix.
But still Liam's going to be racing so that you
know how he goes. After ten thirty this morning and

(38:29):
straight after the ten o'clock news, I'm really excited about
this legendary children's author well. Legendary author Michael Moore Pergo,
author of more than one hundred and fifty books, is
going to be with us very shortly to tell us
about his latest It's almost ten o'clock. It is Saturday morning.
I'm Jack Tay. This is news Talk Zed be.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
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Speaker 3 (39:06):
Newstalk's EDB.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Mod Any.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
You're a jactaive on Newstalks EDB. Michael Moore Purgo is
a literary treasure. The author of Warhorse and Private Peaceful,
has a back catalog of about one hundred and fifty books,
and his books are loved most particularly by children and
young people. Michael has added to his expansive library yet
again with a brand new book called Cobweb. It follows

(39:53):
a little dog heading to London amid the aftermath of
Britain's triumph at Waterloo, and Michael is with us. Skelder,
good morning.

Speaker 9 (40:01):
Good morning to you from Devon in England.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Oh, how wonderful? How was it's Devon today?

Speaker 9 (40:08):
Dark? And I suspect it's raining because it often does.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yes, although I mean that is a beautiful coastline. You
live in a beautiful part of the world. It has
to be said.

Speaker 9 (40:19):
It's a lovely part of the world. It's quite empty
of people. It's actually very like New Zealand, except we
don't have mountains, but we do have lots of farmland
and it's mostly grassland and woods and gentle rolling hills
and rivers, you know that sort of countryside.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Now, Michael that the main character in Cobweb is a
corgy and Corgy is a drover. So can you tell
us where you found the inspiration for Cobweb and exactly
what is a driver?

Speaker 9 (40:48):
Yeah, I can tell you. It's like every book I've
ever written. I get luckier. People tell me things, And
in this case it was a friend of ours who
decided he was going to do a two hundred and
fifty mile walk from the west coast of Wales to London,
and he was going to do it to raise money

(41:09):
for a charity we run called Farms for City Children,
which gets children from the cities here in England, London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester.
They come to the farm in Devon and they live
and work on this farm. And two others at the
charity run. So he was going to help us by
raising money and doing this walk. I said, why are

(41:29):
you doing this walk? And you know what road will
you be taking? So well, I'm going on the drovers road.
And I didn't know what a drove all was, but
I had no real idea that you could walk the
same route at all. But he had researched it extremely
carefully and he set off this was last year, walking
all the way from Pembrokeshire in South Wales up to London,

(41:52):
which was the route followed by the drovers of old
who for thousands of years, and I mean literally thousands
of years, it was the only way to get your
animals to market. So your cows and your sheep, even
your geese, everything that you grew on the farm, raised
on the farm had to find a market. And where

(42:12):
were the markets. They were always in the big cities,
the big towns. No lorries, no trains, no other way
of getting except to walk them there. And so what
they did they would set off with'd say two hundred
cattle and five hundred sheep, and they'd have a dog
or several dogs, depending on the side of the flock,
and all these animals would have been gathered from the

(42:34):
farms all around and they set off on this incredible
journey of two hundred and fifty miles twenty miles a day.
They'd go, staying in inns on the way, but the
problem was that the dogs really didn't go in the
ends much. They would be left outside guarding the animals
against rustlers anyone who would like to steal any of

(42:55):
and they cattle themselves and the sheep. They'd be grazing
the grass and there would be a river or a pond,
so they were very specific where they should be these
inns they had to be where animals could be safe
and safely grown. And the next day they'd set off
again and they would do twenty miles a day, twenty
miles a day, and end up in London. And what
I discovered was remarkable is that in the South Wales

(43:19):
the dog they used was a corgy. The corgies in
this country are generally known as the pet which used
to be adored by our Lake Queen, Queen Elizabeth, I
think had about seven of them, so they got very
well known in the country. And they were pretty well
known anyway, but hundreds of years ago. These were little
droving dogs and that's what their job was. They would

(43:41):
go all the way to London. And the really special
thing about the whole story, which his man told me,
was this that when they got to London, the drovers,
who were pretty tough guys bandage, wanted to do the
business they had to do, which was the selling of
the animals, which of course belonged to other farmers. They
were just doing the droving, but they had to sell

(44:03):
the animals and do the business, get the money. And
I expect they want to have a good time in
London or berme or wherever it was. And here's the thing.
They would turn around to the dogs and say.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Go home, and he would go hard, and.

Speaker 9 (44:22):
The dog would go back two one hundred and fifty
miles to where it came from, just like a swallow,
just like a salmon. And they had this ability. But
the interesting thing is it was sort of encouraged in
a way because at each of the inns on the
way down the drover had left some money so that
as the dogs went by the same route there was

(44:44):
food to feed them all the way back to Wales. Wow,
and I thought, that's that's a story. That mostly no
one knows, So why don't you tell that tale? That's
what I did?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
That is extraordinary. That really is remarkable, isn't it. And Michael,
you've said that this book has what you think is
the best surprise ending that you have ever written, which
is I mean extra given how many books you have
produced of these, I think we're one hundred and fifty
books in. So do you go about writing an ending

(45:14):
before you before you lay out the structure of the book,
How does that ending come about in your process?

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Well, I'm a very instinctive, spontaneous writer. I don't plot
and plan very much. I mean with this book, for instance,
I knew obviously the first part of the book was
to create the place where this dog lives, and I
wanted to have some kind of connection with someone there.
So there's a girl on the farm in which the
dog is brought up of adors the dog, the dog

(45:43):
where adores the girl and they get split up. Doesn't
matter why we can read the book for that, but
they get split up, and the person who splits up
the relationship between this girl and this dog is also
responsible for selling the dog to a drover, and off
the dog goes therefore pretty much on his own in
the big wide world, except he's got lots and lots

(46:04):
of cows and sheep to look after, and you follow
him all the way to London. When I didn't know
what to do, and I like, this really is I
didn't know how to continue the book after I got
the dog to London. And I'm very often like that.
I start something and off I go on a journey.
And what I'm always hopeful is that something, something will

(46:26):
lead me towards an ending, which in fact the reader
isn't expecting. And I'm not going to I can't tell
the ending the silly book. But what I what I
did do was to find out. I find out that
historically all the droving ended about nineteen hundred, so I

(46:48):
had to set my book back from that, and I did.
When I was at school. I'm now eighteen. And when
we learned history at schools in this country all those
years ago, you really only learned one way, and that
was sort of dates. You had to learn dates, the
dates of this and the dates of that. And I
remembered all the way through to my eighties, and I

(47:09):
learned it at the age of seven. Two dates in
English history from the nineteenth century. One was the Battle
of Trafalgar, Nelson's great victory, that was eighteen oh five,
and the other one was the Battle of Waterloo eighteen fifteen.

(47:30):
And I did know because I have studied a bit
military history, and I knew that apart from the terrible
losses on all sides and the slaughter of that battle
or usually portrayed on film with beautiful uniforms and it's all,
it was the ghastly, ghastly affair, like all wars anyway,
What I did know is that when the soldiers came

(47:52):
back to this country, to England where I live, after
that having won this great victory and the country ringing
bells and celebrating, and when the soldiers came home there
was nothing for them. There was no work, there was
no money, and many of them starved in the streets
of London beggy. And I thought to myself, if one

(48:14):
of these returning soldiers from that battle should meet up
with a dog, and that returning soldier had nowhere to go,
and the dog did know where to go, that might
be an interesting journey back. So that's the kind of
thing that happened. I linked up a historical fact. I'm

(48:37):
very keen on historical facts in my novels. That it's
truth that interests me, revealing more truth through fiction.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
And it is a truth that rold All told you
that children don't like history.

Speaker 9 (48:51):
Yes he did. And I had a book called war Horse,
which was the first book I ever had that years
and years ago, and I'm talking forty to fifty years ago.
This book was shortlisted for a big prize in this
country called the Whipbread Prize, and here was the chair

(49:12):
of the judges on this prize. And I went up
to London, and my publishers are very enthusiastic, and they
thought I was going to win, and lots of people
that I was going to win. And I didn't win.
Someone else won, doesn't matter who. But as I was
feeling a little bit low during the ceremony, I was
sitting there sipping my wine when Roll Dahald stood up

(49:37):
and kind of beckoned me over to the judges table.
So I went over. You had to go where he said,
you know, he was God, so to speak. So I
walked towards him and he was very nicely shook my
hand and he said, yes, yes, good book, good book.
But you do know, don't you, that children don't like history,

(49:58):
And having been a teacher for eight years, I did
know this was rubbish. There's an awful lot of things
children don't like, but generally it's because they've not been
taught very well, or the story hasn't been told very well.
And you can teach history really well and pass that
on all the stories of history, which are very important

(50:18):
to all of us. You can do that if you
tell it well. I didn't like to argue with him
because I told you he was God, and I knew
I didn't feel like arguing. But I've always remembered it
as the reason probably I didn't get the prize is
that he and maybe some other judges thought, well, actually,
why should children be interested in the First World War anymore?

(50:41):
And I think actually they had a point then, and
that is that a lot of people could get almost
nostalgic about the First of all War. There were a
lot of songs, there was oh what a lovely war.
There was lots and lots of sort of around it.
There was this glow well you know, we one type thing.
Well we know, and New Zealanders know, Australians know, everyone

(51:02):
know that it was not like that at all. This
is people coming across the seas to fight this war
against an enemy, and most of them didn't even know
and it was dreadful. So I don't know. I sort
of feel that they were right to think that if
this was another book that was going to join that
kind of thinking. Well, it isn't. Actually, it's a book

(51:22):
which is about loss, and it's about finding someone you
love and longing for that one to be joined up
with someone you love, which is what happens to all families,
and indeed horses, and it's about a horse and a boy,
and the boy going afterward to look for his horse,
which has been sold away. So I think he was wrong,
but in a sense I can understand why he said it.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Finally, Michael, I know we have to let you go
in a moment, but you mentioned farms for city children,
and I know a lot of our listeners will be
really interested in it. Can you just tell us how
it works?

Speaker 9 (51:54):
Sure? Yeah, Well, my wife takes the credit for it.
Claire started the charity with me about it's almost fifty
years ago now, and since then we've had one hundred
thousand kids from the cities, all over this country. And
what happens is they come with their teachers from primary
schools about thirty five forty at a time, with their
teachers and come down first of all to Devin. That's

(52:16):
where we started the first farm where I'm speaking to
you from in Italy in the middle of nowhere, north
seven and they come down from inner city London in
the first place, and they come down and they'd stay
for a week. And they wouldn't just look at the
countryside the how nice, and count the eggs and count

(52:36):
the sheep. No, no, no, they worked alongside real farmers. The
farmer on the farm would take them out every single day.
I would gout with every single day and we will
milk the cows, and we'd move the sheep, and we'd
feed the pigs. We'd do everything that needed doing within
a working farm. The idea was really that as a teacher,

(52:57):
when I'd been teaching and my wife had been teaching,
we realized that an awful lot of children in this
country I don't know about New Zealand suffer from a
pover of experience. They live in a tiny flat, They
look out of the window on concrete and tarmac and
planes flying overhead. That's the connection very often with the
world outside. And we thought because we both had a

(53:21):
wonderful opportunity and a younger being in the countryside growing
up in it, both of us, and we thought, well,
this is the right of every child to have a
connection with the world about them. This is their world,
it is their world to look after, it's the world
that provides their food, and it's a place they've never been.

(53:41):
So that was the idea to give them a sense
of what there is out there for them so they
will value it and understand much more about farming and
about the countryside and nature, so that when they go
out walking down here, they go on and green fields
down to the river, they see a salmon jumping, they
might see a spray that an otter is left behind.

(54:01):
They see a heron lifting off the river, they see
buzzards eagles up in the They hire in contact with nature,
and since they are part of nature, we thought that
was pretty important educationally. So that's what we've been doing
all this time with one hundred thousand children, and the
charity goes on. It's had a struggle or two because
you know, COVID and all all sorts of things, but

(54:22):
COVID has been the main stop. We had to stop
for a good year and a half for that because
the kids couldn't come down, but we started up again
and on we go. And as I speak to you
in Devon, there's a group of children, thirty five of
them just come down yesterday from London.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Ah. How wonderful, hey, Michael, thank you so much for
giving us your time. There's such a great pleasure to
speak with you. And you know, I, yeah, I'm thinking
for myselfie, but I know there is a seven year
old in our house who's going to be just delighted,
absolutely delighted with cobweb. So thank you so much.

Speaker 9 (54:53):
That's really good. It's very nice to speak to you
in New Zealand. I wish I was there my last time,
as I went to a wonderful place called Russell. Yeah,
I've never forgotten that I had the most extraordinary time.
So I have a great deal of time for New Zealand.
Except that you play rugby far too well.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Well we'll see the Northern Tour is coming up. But
thank you so much, Michael. We'd love to have you
back again sometime soon and have a great day.

Speaker 9 (55:17):
Be great all the bests then bye bye.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That is Michael Moore Pergo. His latest book is Cobweb.
Someone on the textas saying Jack would be able to
ask the age range. It's really from eight up. But
it is a beautiful book. So if you've got anyone
younger than eight, I reckon you could read it to them.
But for young readers who are looking to read themselves
eight plus Jack, I grew up with Pet Corky's are
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(55:42):
If you want to send this se message, ninety two.
Ninety two is the text number. This morning we'll have
all the details for Michael Moore Purgo's Cobweb up on
the News talks. He'd be website right now. It is
twenty three past ten Jack, two before eleven o'clock on
News Talks, heb we're in the garden. It is fluffy
bums season. I hate to say it. Rouge climb Pass
is going to give us his top tips for getting
that under control. Amazon has just become the latest big

(56:05):
tech company need to announce that it wants to use
nuclear power. Yeah, this is I mean, this is fascinating.
So it was Microsoft first, Now Amazon recons can it
can use nuclear power as well. It would benefit from
having its own nuclear reactors. So we will explain why
very shortly. Next up your screen time picks for this weekend.
It's twenty four past ten.

Speaker 7 (56:25):
Just to start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
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Speaker 2 (56:34):
Thank you for your text. Jack top interview says Grant,
what an absolute articulate delight. Michael is Jack? Can I
please have the author? It is the cobwebs author is
Michael Moore Perko. He's the author of Warhorse as well.
He's the author of basically everything. But we will have
all the details on the news talks. He'd be website
if you want to read that book or get it
for a little one in your family as well. Right

(56:54):
now it is time to get our screen time picks
for this weekend. Tara awards our screen time experts. She
has the tough gig of watching heaps of different shows
for watching and streaming that she can recommend to us. Hey, Tara, Jack,
it's a tough job. It is such a tough gig.
Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to curl off
on the couch, you know. But the thing is, we
have really come to trust your tastes on this front.

(57:16):
No pressure. Yeah, so tell us tell us first all
this morning about a new show streaming on Disney Plus. Rivals.

Speaker 10 (57:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (57:23):
This is one of the most fun shows I've watched
in ages. This is the TV adaptation of the Jilly
Cooper book Rivals, which was published in the eighties and
has quite a reputation for being a bit of a
steamy read. Well, Disney Plus have brought the book to
life and given us this really big energy, big hair,
delicious nineteen eighties drama. It comes with a fantastic cast.

(57:44):
It stars David Tennant and Aidan Turner. Set in the
mid eighties in this upper class English horse riding set
of people, the plot is almost not important, but the
main storyline is about two rival journalists, Rupert Campbell Black
and Tony Baddingham even the names of Fabulous, who are
both very powerful and trying to take each other down

(58:05):
amid all this fabulous nineteen eighties excess of champagne and
concord flying and very indulgent lifestyles. And you know from
the opening scene you know where you are with this show.
It's about fabulously terrible people doing fabulously terrible things, and
it's just having such a great time. It's a romp
of a show. It's a satire. It's got some swagger

(58:26):
to it. Obviously, the book was written thirty years ago,
so there's stuff in there that you know, is probably
a bit problematic from today's perspective, but the show is
sort of giving a cheeky link to some of that.
It's it's quite self aware, as if to say, look,
you know, we wouldn't say these things today, but it
was the eighties. That are awful people. We're going to
run with it a bit. So I just love this.

(58:47):
It's well made, it's well acted, it's over the top,
but it's so confident and just so much fun.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
SUPERB sounds great. That is Rivals. It's on Disney Plus
on Neon a show I'm excited about. Tell us about
The Diplomat.

Speaker 17 (58:59):
Yeah, so this is a BBC drama on Neon, and
there is a show called The Diplomat on Netflix. But
this is on Neon and quite different to the other one.
But if you're looking for something a bit more sedate
and quiet. This is a great choice. This stars Sophie Rundle.
It's set in Barcelona and it's about a group of
British diplomats who work in the British Consul in Catalonia.

(59:20):
So it's their job to help any British citizens who
get into trouble or who need some help. And the
series opens with an unexplained death of a British man.
The police think it's an accident, the victim's father think
it's murder, and the staff at the console become involved.
And so each week, each episode there's a different situation
that they need to help with, working with the police

(59:41):
and locals. But this is a bit of an unusual
show and that it's not really a political thriller or
a spy drama or a murder mystery of the week
type show. It's got a bit of it's got elements
of each of those genres in it. So it's very light,
lots of likable characters. I think it will get tenser
as it goes on. But it's filmed in location in

(01:00:02):
Barcelona as well, which just gives it such a beautiful setting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Yeah nice, I mean, you can't really go wrong there,
can you? And on Prime Video The Office Australia.

Speaker 17 (01:00:12):
This is the latest version of the global hit mockumentary
comedy series The Office. Of course, it started in the
UK with Ricky Gervase, and then we had the very
popular American series with Steve Carrell, and now we've got
the Australian version, which has been written and directed by
New Zealander the wonderful Jackie van Beek. Set in the
office of a packaging company, and so it feels very

(01:00:33):
familiar in a lot of ways. It's got all those
traits of the Office, the looks to camera and the
awkward silences, those office politics. But the Australian version is
a little different in that it features the first female boss,
Hannah Howard, who's played by Felicity Ward, and Josh Tchoumpson
and Edith Pah are in this as well to other
New Zealanders. Now, I'm not a loyal fan of the Office,

(01:00:54):
so my opinion might be different to people who really
love the show and are very loyal to a particular franchise.
But I liked this. It's not as awkward and uncomfortable
as the British one, and I think it's just going
to more self assured and sort of find its own
niche as it goes on. You know, it feels familiar,
but it also feels fresh and there's some genuine laugh
out moments, laugh out loud moments in there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Fantastic Okay. That's the Office Australia that's on Prime Video.
The Diplomat is the one set in Barcelona that's on
Neon and on Disney Plus. You can see the one
with David Tennant and Aidan Turner that is Rivals. All
of those shows up on the News Talks. They'd be website,
you know the.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
Deal getting your weekends started.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Said that you can let it Somebody Energy, Eston Jam
do than So Can. Was just twenty one twenty one
when the song with Gotcha came out Somebody that I

(01:02:11):
used to know. That was back in twenty eleven. The
song was an absolute global smash. It was number one
on the charts and years on in Australia, the UK
and the US. It took home three Grammys, including Record
of the Year. Ain't No Thang. Since then, Kimber's toured
the world. She has released so much interesting music and

(01:02:32):
performed in iconic venues including the Sydney Opera House and Anyway.
All these years later, the Kiwi muso has just returned
to her collaborative roots. She's released a new album. It's
called Idols and Vices, and over the last week while
she's been like sharing a song from the new album
every week, and so we've got the complete collection. We've

(01:02:52):
got the whole album now, Idols and Vices. How does
it sound, you ask, Well, we're going to play you
some before midday today. Our music review Atestelle will be
in after eleven o'clock as well to give us her
thoughts on Kimbra. The thing I like about Kimber is
it is there's always there's always a slight twist on
her music, like there's beautiful and poppy, but it's interesting.
I don't need the language to describe it in any

(01:03:15):
more depth than that, except to say that I always
find Kimber's music really interesting. So I'm very much looking
forward to listening to that album. Jack, your support for
Auckland FC is just further demonstrating you were becoming more
and more of an Aucklander versus a one eyed Cantabrian.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
No comment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
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Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 9 (01:03:43):
Is the Greens of met again Darling Tanner will be
Walker jumped out of Parliament, which, by the way was
unanimous co leaders WA brokers with us. Is it possible
you were wrong on the law given you've now used
it and seen its.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Benefits to say that everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:03:56):
Should be open to changing their mind when it concunted
with complexity or information. That's humanity.

Speaker 18 (01:04:02):
That's what evolution is supposed to look like. Mike, I
feel really proud of the fact that eighty five dollarsates,
having had their own star and deliberative process, that it
all came to this conclusion. It was a unanimous insteatus.

Speaker 14 (01:04:13):
I think really demonstrates that were as a party in
moving towards together on this issue.

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
Back Monday from six am, the Mike asking breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Twenty one to eleven non news Talk ZEDB. So you
know the sprint qualifying is underway at the moment in
the F one. So Liam Maawson has been out on
the track. I'll let you know how it goes. There's
only a couple of minutes left in the sprint qualifying
at the moment, so I'll let you know how that
all ends up. Time to catch up with our textbook.
Paul Stenhouse, who's will with us this morning with details
on how Amazon has decided to join various other top

(01:04:45):
tech firms with a forura into nuclear power.

Speaker 14 (01:04:48):
Paul, it seems to be just what the big tech
companies do now, Jack. If you want to be a
big tech company, you've got to somehow be involved in
the sector. Because thyes spending a ton of money to
partner with a company to look at developing what they're
calling small modular nuclear reactors, so basically not massive power plants,

(01:05:09):
kind of like maybe you have in your head or
what you've seen in the past. But they're trying to
think how to do smaller nuclear reactors, which I can
only guess they will want to try to put close
to their data centers. And it's all because of our
good friend AI. They just need so much computing power
to make AI happen, and that obviously requires bundles of energy.

(01:05:31):
And Virginia, the state in America where there are a
ton of data centers. It's kind of like where Amazon,
I think at one of its first big cloud data centers,
East One, as it's known. The power demand in Virginia,
it's growing at five percent year over year. They are
expecting that by twenty forty they're going to need double

(01:05:51):
the amount of energy then right now, so real there's
quite a problem, right, and so they're not only looking
at how to do this with this one firm, but
they're also putting well, they've gone on a financing round,
a half a billion dollar financing round with a private
company who wants to open four of these same small
nuclear reactors on the West coast. Right, they're a little

(01:06:14):
further along, but huge amounts of dollars in there.

Speaker 10 (01:06:17):
And the Wall Street Journal kind of said something interesting.

Speaker 14 (01:06:19):
We talked about it a couple of weeks when we
talked about the Microsoft deal. But there seems to be
are in naissance of nuclear power because if we want
to do the AI thing, we're going to need a
ton of power, and nuclear obviously is an incredible source
of clean energy when it all goes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Well, yes, yeah, yeah, and not forgetting that there is
always a bit of nuclear waste as well. But yeah,
I mean that it is amazing. Speaking of Amazon, they're
now going to be delivering election night news.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
Yes, you can get your packages delivered by Amazon, and
now you can turn on the TV and you can
understand what's happening in the election in the United States.
I was surprised about this one because most of these
streamers have really tried to steer clear of news and
all of the kind of.

Speaker 14 (01:07:06):
You know, commentary that goes alongside it. But their Prime
Video service is going to have the former NBC broadcast
of Brian Williams hosting. They say that the coverage will
be informative, accessible and non partisan. I look forward to
seeing how they do it, but they will. They say
they're going to be referencing third party news sources across
all the political affiliations. So I'm kind of wondering if

(01:07:29):
the way they're going to set it up is Brian
Williams kind of going to be like a guide or
a sherpet to all of this information that's being presented.
He's gonna show us a bit over here from Fox
and a bit over here from MSNBC, and here's what
the New York Times dial is saying, I don't know,
but I can only guess if that's how they're trying
to keep this as non partisan as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
But interesting, Yeah, no, it is interesting. It is interesting,
and yeah, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
But it feels like this is the kind of no
non partisan media in America right now. So yeah, thank
you very much, Paul. We will catch you soon. That's
our texpert. Paul Stenhouse road climb passes in the garden
before leaven o'clock for us with his tip on getting
rid of the fluffy bums and your place as all

(01:08:10):
of the spring planting is underway. At seventeen minutes to eleven,
no bitter way to kick.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Off your weekend.

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Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepewur
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Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
According to eleven on newstalk EDB, doctor Brian Becky is
with us this morning and he is focusing on gout
and there's some really interesting new data, Brian. A major
international study with more than two and a half million people,
led by the University of Otago researchers has found that
gout is a chronic illness for which genetics are a

(01:08:44):
major cause.

Speaker 19 (01:08:45):
This is a bit of a surprise, right, Well, look,
we've alreadys suspected that was the case. You know, traditionally
often people have thought of gout as you think of
the English king who sort of overweighth drinking port, legs
venison and is laid.

Speaker 20 (01:09:00):
Up with gout and suffers from gout. So this lifestyle
issue has always been this factor that's run around that
you can model fire go out by reducing or changing
your lifestyle or what you do. What this study actually says,
and it was a large study with about two and
a half million people, has said, well, look, primarily what's
going on is your genes are causing the problem. They're
causing you to have too much uric acid in your blood.

(01:09:22):
And actually lifestyle changes, although they are important in stopping
a cute gout attacks, they don't lower your uric acid level,
so they can't cure the gout.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
So that's the big, big shift.

Speaker 20 (01:09:34):
So moving away from saying lifestyle as or reason gout
occurs and yeah, pretty important.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Okay, so let's just go back to basis. Remind us
what is gaut.

Speaker 20 (01:09:45):
Yeah, so gout is when we've got too much of
the stuff called uric acid flowing around in our blood streams.
The body produces uric acid as part of its metabolism,
and we also invest uric acid through certain foods. Now,
if you have too much of it, what can actually
happen is the uric acid can deposit little salts and joints.

(01:10:06):
Happens is the uric acid goes into a joint, and
typically where we see it is the joint that's at
the base of the big toe. And suddenly these crystals
form in the joint. The body reacts to that with
immune response, and suddenly you get this very very painful, swollen,
red joint that's really really debilitating, and it just pops

(01:10:28):
out of the blue. Yeah, and then we have to
treat it. So look really really really awful when it occurs.
And for anyone who's had gout, I know exactly what
I'm talking about, And yeah, a very nasty, nasty condition.

Speaker 21 (01:10:39):
When you get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
It, it sounds like super painful. I know a few
people have had it and they just talk of their
like it. It's really shocking how painful it actually is.
Like even if you just have a tiny bit of cloth,
you know, like on a on a joint or something,
or like putting on a sock. If you have gout
in your big toe is absolutely off agonizing. Yeah, look
at it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:00):
And then so people come into the surgery with cute
gut attacks and they limp up into the room and
they can't put their foot down and they can't shoe,
and they talk about at night they can't put sheets
on the toe because all the joint because it's just
so so painful. So you're very, very unpleasant and unforgettable.
If you have a gout attack, you'll remember it for life.

Speaker 5 (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Oh it's stuff. It's tough. Okay. So for those of
us who know that there is a bit of gout
in the family, are there lifestyle causes that can trigger it? Like,
are there things that I'm going to need to look
out for, because I'm going to warn you right now, Brian.
Ours is a family that likes ice cream, It likes cheese,
it likes seafood, it likes all of those all other
good things.

Speaker 20 (01:11:40):
Look. Look, look, it's important to have a healthy lifestyle.
So we've got to say that. But up from what
this study is saying to us, Look, if you're predisposed
to gout because your uric acid is too high. Regardless
of what you do with your lifestyle, you know, you
stop those things that actually give us uric acid. So
that's basically red meat. Things like shellfish, alcohol, sugary drinks

(01:12:06):
like our carbonated sugary drinks. They can give us more
uric acid and cause the gout to occur. But the
fact of the matter is if you get rid of
all those things and stop all those things, if you've
got to underline predispicient gout, it won't let it lower
your uric acid to a level that you won't get
the gout. So yeah, you can change, you can modify
those life those factors which can trigger gut, but they

(01:12:29):
won't reduce your overall uric acid and they won't reduce
your risk over time of getting out. So that's the
big difference.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Why does it affect more men than women?

Speaker 20 (01:12:39):
Yeah, look that's a good question. So really what the
study is pointing to it's biological factors. So again it's
the genetics men versus women that that tend to produce
a higher uric acid and also in some cases kidney
disease itself. Because uric acid has got rid of through
the kidneys can actually produce this kidney this condition. The

(01:12:59):
other important, really important thing to note is that Maori
and Pacifica peoples have four to six times the rate
of gouts. So it is particularly prevalent across New Zealand
and because again driven by this genetic sort of predisposition
to gout that we see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
So what do you do about it?

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:13:23):
So look, I mean, look, there's no doubt that if
you predispose the gout and you have a big feed
of oisters or something, often that's what triggers agout because
you put extra uric acid into an underlying high level
and it will precipitate the gout. So look, just avoiding
certain foods will lessen the frequency of gout attacks, but
it won't get rid of the gout. So look, for
most people, you need to take medication to lower your

(01:13:47):
uric acid level. That's a medication that's commonly called alipurinol.
You need to take it once a day essentially once
you're on it, and you need to take it for life.
And what alipuranol does very effectively is lower the underlying
level of the uric acid and reduces your chances of
getting the gout prevents the gout, so look at most cases.
To be honest, Jack, it comes down to medication.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Yeah, okay, hey, thanks for your tome, Brian. We really
appreciate it. As ever, we'll put all of Brian's tips
and information there on the news talks. He'd be website
just to update you on the f one. So they've
just had qualifying for the first sprint race. Good news.
Liam Lawson has qualified. So there are twenty races, they
only take the top fifteen. Liam Lawson has qualified thirteenth.

(01:14:31):
Here's the interesting thing though, he beat his teammate Yuki Sonoda.
Not only that, he beat the Australian F one driver
Oscar Piastre who came in sixteenth and was knocked out
as well. So a really solid first outing in that
first qualifying. It's nine to eleven on news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Going with still sharp.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
Don't list their biggest spring sale ever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Route climb passes in the garden.

Speaker 13 (01:14:54):
Hey rude, hello, my friend, have you looked at your
guard yet for passion fine.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Hopper, I have, I've looked. I haven't seen them yet,
but I suspect there might be a few eggs, And
to be honest, I'm leaving town for a couple of
weeks here to the US this week to cover the election.
We're going to be broadcasting Nickwig from the US. But
I'm not totally confident that I can rely on my
wife's support to go out and get all the passion
Ryan hoppers while I'm away, so I could have something
an nasty surprise that awaits me when I return.

Speaker 13 (01:15:22):
No, I think he'll be right, because usually it's at
the end of this month. But I just want to
be ahead of people that are listening and have problems
with these things. And also I just want to say
we found them now in christ Church to little rotters.
They're about yeah, they're about one hundred meters away from.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
My house, bugger, so yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 13 (01:15:41):
Anyway, these are those lazy when moths people call them.
They're actually suck sucking bugs actually, and the passion rine
offers and they come out let's say October November about
this time that they.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
Start to hatch.

Speaker 13 (01:15:54):
And at the moment you might not see anything, but
if you keep looking on the new plants that they
like to sit on, you know their favorite their favorite
hosts have a look, because once they're really young, this
is really good. You can actually spray them with a
really cool insecticide, just simply from a and if you
like a fly spray right. And the reason is they're

(01:16:17):
so small they can't jump away, and if they do
jump away, they jump through the clothes that you made
in front of their house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Ah yeah, okay, so if I've made.

Speaker 13 (01:16:29):
That clothes, yeah, well this is the point. If you
if you're away that that can be a bit tricky.
But if you're you might find if it's a bit later,
you can still do that because before they become too big,
you can actually hammer them with that particular aerosol can.
It's very simple. So that is the number one thing
for now, and I think a lot of people in
the Northounds they know also in the Southounds will need

(01:16:50):
to know all this. There's of course another thing later
on in the year that you can actually get the
eggs out, but I'll talk about that when it happens
in autumn time. That is a different gig again. But
don't forget just a simple aerosol can that you use
for flyesprey will do it and make the cloud do
it on a nice wind still morning with the cloud
stays in front of their little little favorite host plant,

(01:17:12):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, and like it won't it won't poison my passion
for it. I know that seems silly, but they won't.
It's not gonna it's not going to come.

Speaker 13 (01:17:19):
Back to get me, I'll tell you, because that as
that spray will be gone in probably twenty four hours
in terms of residual action. But the stuff that went
on their bodies will stay on their bodies.

Speaker 20 (01:17:33):
And that's just a.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Good thing, very good.

Speaker 13 (01:17:34):
So no, there's no no hassles with that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Okay, very good, Thank you, sir. Road climb passed in
the garden for us. Will put his little advice there
up on the news talks. He'd be website. The Sprint
qualifying two has just begun in the US Grand Prix.
I'll let you know how Liam Lawson goes and his
second qualifying session very shortly. It is almost eleven o'clock though.
News is next Saturday morning. I'm Jack taym and this

(01:17:58):
is news Dogs. He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Ah tell you what this if one ark? Oh, she's
a rollercoaster. So the way it works for the sprint race,
not to be confused with the main Grand Prix this
weekend in the US, is for the sprint race that
they have first, which is only about one hundred k's
which of course they do in f one cars in
about five minutes. They only have ten cars racing, so
for the Grand Prix they have twenty cars. For the
sprint race they have ten cars. And to qualify for

(01:18:59):
the sprint race, they have two very quick sprint qualifiers.
So in the first sprint qualifier they eliminate five cars.
In the second they eliminate another five cars. Therefore, from
twenty drivers they end up with ten. In the first
sprint qualifier, Liam Lawson did really well. He pipped Yuki
Sonoda and his teammate and so he made it into
the final fifteen. In the second sprint qualifier, though Yuki

(01:19:23):
Sonoda snuck into the top ten, Liam Lawson unfortunately didn't.
He finished either twelfth or thirteenth, so he won't qualify
for the sprint race. Still, it was a pretty it
has to be said, pretty respectable outing. He was only
like a fraction of a second behind Sergio Perez, who
was racing in the Red Bull car, which is of
course the brother or sister team to the one that

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Liam Lawson is racing in. So to be that close
to one of the top team drivers is apparently impressive.
But yeah, a little bit disappointing that he just just
missed out on that race, but still a pretty solid
first outing. Now, before twelve o'clock on news Talk tob
we are going to play you some of Kimber's new album.
Kimber is I just think a really interesting, unique New

(01:20:05):
Zealand pop musician and she's kind of gone about her
new album in quite an intriguing way in that she
has been drip feeding it over a couple of months now.
She started in July putting out a new song every week.
We now have the full album. We're going to play
you a couple of those songs before midday. Get our
music reviews thoughts on that. Right now, though it is
nine minutes past eleven, Jack Team and Google Sutherland are

(01:20:29):
clinical psychologist from Umbrella Wellbeing is with us this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Canter Google cured, mister Tame, how are you this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Very very well. Thank you. How are you Are you
into E F one? Is that your scene?

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Look? I never was a part until you know, I
started watching the Drive to Survive. I'm exactly and yeah,
and now it's like, oh yeah, I know all about that,
So yes, I was interested. You're listening to it, to
the ups and downs of his progress. Yeah, yeah, I
think I think it sounds like respectable.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Yeah, you don't even need to really be into racing that,
you know. I can kind of just appreciate the interperson
and all drama of it all and then see how
Liam Lawson conducts himself and feel kind of proud about
it with this.

Speaker 12 (01:21:13):
Yeah, the racing is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:14):
The racing is a sort of a side.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Total sort of the money and the clamor and everything else.

Speaker 9 (01:21:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely done a great job of marketing it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
They have, they really have. It's amazing how those TV
shows like Drive to Survive, Tour de France unchained. It's
amazing how they've kind of rejuvenated interest in those sports. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Anyway, we digress. This is this is You've got some
really interesting new research for us this morning that looks
at the connections or relationship between stress and the gut,
and it can probably best be summarized as saying, worrying
does indeed make you sick, so you can worry yourself set.
Is that fair?

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
I think it is. And I was intrigued to read
this because when I was a young teen I remember,
I had all these stomach unexplained stomach issues, and I
had a sore stomach and I wake up in the
morning with a sore gut, and nobody could really figure
it out. And I was going to the doctor and
doing all these tests and this sort of thing. And

(01:22:16):
I mean, at the time, I knew that I was
a bit anxious and a bit worried about I don't
even know what it was at the time, you know,
typical teenage things, probably girlfriends and friends and that kind
of thing. But but I think now, looking back in hindsight,
that anxiety, that stress that I was experiencing was causing
my stomach pain. Yeah, and this this research is sort

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of highlighting how that link really works. So it's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Yeah, Okay, that's really that's very intriguing. So so basically,
you know, I think I think we're starting to get
a better understanding right of how gut health affects our
body health. But these researchers have found that by taking
out a couple of glands and mice that that line
the walls of the small and testine, it kind of

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has triggered inflammation and the chances that they would then
get sick or get a kind of infection and the
same thing happens to people as well. All can happen
to people as well.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
Yeah, that's right, So it's that link between They found
a gland. If you don't have the gland, you get it,
you get inflammation in your stomach. And they found that
that's because there's a reduction in good gut bacteria that
protects your stomach. So that makes sense in the gut, right,
But the connection I think was missing with the brain.
But what they've found is that that gland in the

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gut is connected. We've got this big vegas nerve that
runs right down the middle of our body that's responsible
for whole lots of things. But it connects right and
from your gut up into your brain and up to
part of your brain called the amygdala, and that's where
your fight or flight response sits. And people will know
you know, most people have an idea of what that is.
That's the thing that gets activated when we are stressed.

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So it turns on our stress response and what the
research has found, they sort of they connected the two.
They found that if there was chronic and this wasn't mice,
but that they're assuming it works the same in humans,
that if mice were chronically stressed, there amigdala was all
fired up. It transmitted down the vagus nerve into their gut,

(01:24:27):
into that particular gland, and they saw the shutdown of
that gland and the reduction in the the good gut
bacteria and then more stomach pain and information in the gut.
And so it's really I think shows how connected our
whole body system is. That the stomach and the gut

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talks to the brain, and the brain talks to the
gut and it's all sort of tied up together. So
whilst so we sometimes think of stress and worry as
something that's in our heads, it's also very much in
our stomachs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah well yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. So what
can we do about it? Don't don't get stress.

Speaker 5 (01:25:12):
If only look I think you know, it obviously highlights
that managing your stress levels, and whether that's a home
or at work. You know, we know that that's good anyway,
but it's good not only if your mental health, but
your physical health. I think also too. And I'm not
obviously a gut specialist, but I would imagine that it

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points to us making sure that we take care of
our diet and our guts as well and keeping that
good gut back terrier. And you probably need you probably
need a nutritionists really to be talking about to be
talking about that, but I think you know, it really
highlights that how one looking after one part of our
health impacts the whole of our body. So look after

(01:25:57):
your brain, and that will look after your stomach. Look
after your stomach, and that will look after your brain.
And which is I mean it makes sort of common
sense away and I think we all know it, but
it's good to have that sort of scientific understanding of
actually what's going on when we're doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Yeah, right, I mean that. Yeah, it's it's very it's
funny because it feels intuitive in a sense, but actually
being able to have the science to back it up
as a different kind of story. And it's funny that
it feels intuitive. You know that it makes that kind
of makes sense to us, even if we haven't necessarily
been able to pinpoint it quite like the study has.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
I know, that's a I find that vaguely disappointing at
times about yeah sci scientific discoveries. Everybody goes, oh, yeah,
that makes sense. There was Yeah I knew that, and
it's like, yeah, me too, but this isn't amazing. But
it's like, oh, yeah, but we just we kind of
knew that, didn't we. It's like, well, we we sort
of did, but but look, here's the actual evidence to

(01:26:55):
show what the connection is. I think once you understand
the connections, you know, you can you can isolate much
more how you can actually help, Like what can you
do about the bacteria for example? And maybe, and this
is me speculating, but maybe you know, if you address
gut back terry, you're going to reduce the symptoms of
anxiety and stress, and then that will flow up back

(01:27:17):
to the brain as well, so you know, we don't
have to just focus on mental ways of coping with stress.
It could be physical as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Right right, that makes sense. Hey, thank you Google. That's
very very interesting, and thank you for bringing that study
to our attention, Google Sutherland, our clinical psychologist. There he was,
of course with the Umbrella well being now perfore Midday
as well as that new album from Kimber. We've got
our book picks for this weekend. Plus Jason Pine is
counting down the ours to the very first game from
Auckland FC. They kick off at five o'clock this evening

(01:27:47):
against the Brisbane Raw. They are expecting to sell out
stadium at go Media Stadium aka Mount Smart So more
than twenty thousand people have bought tickets for that opening match,
which is remarkable that all they're now is for the
team to put together a really solid performance, maybe get
a win this afternoon, that would be ideal. But we'll
get Jason Pine's thoughts on that. A big day for

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him right now it is sixteen past eleven, non news Storks.

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Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
Have a great time in the States. I reckon Karmela's
campaign is in a world of trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Yeah, I don't know about a world of trouble. I
think these things sort of ebb and flow a little bit,
but I definitely think they're in trouble, you know, relative
to where they were a couple of weeks ago. This
is certainly a lag in the campaign that we wanted
to turn things around. If the election were held today,
I reckon Trum, I reckon Trump would have it. I
reckon Trump would have it. But I also just think,

(01:28:48):
like flip a coin, you know, flip a coin out
at the moment, what is it that makes you think
that her campaigns in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
I've just got back from there, and I just think
a couple of things. First of all, the trend is
not who friend in the polls, you know when you
compare it to say twenty twenty or twenty sixteen and
better ground states. But the other thing, Jack, and that
something you picked up on with me a few weeks ago,
was she just seems unable to give her half decent
answer to the tough questions. She just continues to dodge

(01:29:18):
those tough questions, and I just think that raises huge
question marks about, you know, the ability of someone like
that to be president.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I tend to agree with that. I think she's a
really poor interviewee for someone who's made it to that
position like a one on one interviewee. Not I'm not
I'm not saying that Donald Trump is a good interviewee.
The necessarily answers many questions. But yeah, I think she's
surprisingly weak and it plays into the whole thing about
you know, like what does she actually stand for?

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
It is hard to tell watching. Yeah, it's gonna be
very interesting. So I'm looking forward to podcasting from there
over the next couple of weeks and trying to get
give a sense of things, sense of things on the ground. Yeah,
thank you. So from the Mighty us of A. We
are turning our attention to the Indian Ocean and the
hill country in Sri Lanka this morning. And the gateway said,
in the highlands of Sri Lanka is Candy.

Speaker 22 (01:30:08):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:09):
Indeed, I thought we'd do one last burst with Sri
Lanka and I headed for the Hillsjack. The thing about
Candy is it's just surrounded with all this twisting topography.
It's a sweetheart of a down candy. See what I
did there. The city has swathed in all these lush
jungle greens. You've got roly poly hells and this amazing
man made lake, glorious soothing lake right in its heart.

(01:30:33):
The thing about that lake is the prize drawer is
right next to it, the gorgeous Temple of the Tooth Relic.
And I learnt a lot about this toothjack So supposedly
it is one of Buddha's teeth, taken from his funeral
pyre and smuggled into Sri Lanka seventeen hundred years ago,
hidden in the hair of a princess. No less so,

(01:30:56):
if you're a Sri Lankan Buddhist, you have to take
a pilgrimage to this temple in your lifetime to enhance
your karmic energy. And the place was absolutely heaving with pilgrims.
It was quite a sight.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Wow, did you see the tooth?

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
No, you can't see the tooth that has locked away
in a golden casket right inside the shrone room. In
the shrine room, Apparently it's whirled out about once every decade, right,
and then every year around the full moon in July,
they have this massive exuberant festival called petter Hera, which

(01:31:33):
goes on for about ten days full pageantry. They had
one hundred elaborately decorated elephants dripping with jewels on parade.
In the lead elephant, mister Tusker, he carries a replica
of the tooth, so they don't even wheel out the
real tooth for the big festival. But I was getting
too a few local seck and it's funny. Some people

(01:31:55):
reckon it's actually a buffalo tooth.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Oh really, yeah, surely you'll be able to tell a difference.

Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Well, they think it's just not a human tooth. Those
that have seen reckon that it's too big.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
No one's itching to go into it like a DNA
test on or anything. I had to work it out,
yeah through yeah, okay, how amazing. So was the Central
market worth a bit of a wonder?

Speaker 6 (01:32:21):
Oh my goodness, it was so enthrawling. I ended up
talking cricket with these lovely old men who were wearing
away on the antique singer sewing machines in the tailor's section.
Then I went to the fresh fresh produce market, which
just radiates with abundance. I have never seen so many
banana varieties in my life, just so many different types

(01:32:43):
of bananas. And then in the meat and seafood section,
well that was explicit and confronting, and I actually parked
up my protein preferences for several days. After that, I
became a temporary vegetarian. And you can't go wrong with
a dull curry or a jet fruit curry in Sri Lanka.
Although to be fair, Jet unlike India, spreaded deli belly.

(01:33:06):
No stomach issues at all in Sri Lanka.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Great. Oh that's good. So when you say it was
a little bit eye opening, was it just liked and
gore or was it so like you know, like not
Jack setting it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
Was the hygiene question, Yeah, it was. It was pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah, okay, yep, no, I get it. We don't need
to go into any more. What about the tea factories?
Can you tour the tea factories?

Speaker 6 (01:33:28):
Yeah? This is such a cool thing to do. So
Candy's got a lot of the tea factories in Tri Lanka,
and I went to a place called Girigama te Factory.
It's one of your pace of old school factories. They
have got machines near jack which like do the drying
and the processing of the tea, which had not changed
in one hundred years, the same machines. So when Victoria
was on the throne. These machines were operating amazing. Yeah,

(01:33:52):
but I was so fascinating to learn the whole sort
of backstory to the tea plantations in Sri Lanka and
they are still one of the world's top five te exporters.
But the British who were responsible for sill On Tea,
they first actually tried to turn Selon as they called it,
into a coffee producing carehouse, but all the plants were

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struck by a fungal disease, so that was a total disaster.
And then this guy, James Taylor, he is like the
father of Selon tea. He thought, let's give tea crek
and it's just transformed the nation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Yeah. Interesting, I presume that James Tyler is different to
the James Taylor.

Speaker 6 (01:34:32):
The muso. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
So it's the hill country landscape, just like all tea
plantations everywhere.

Speaker 6 (01:34:41):
Well, it's really interesting. It's a total patchwork. So you've
got like high country jungle forests splashed with these gods
making waterfalls. I've never seen such enormous waterfalls before. And
then interspersing all that vast blankets of thickly stitched, undulating
emerald green tea plantations and you just feel like you're

(01:35:03):
constantly switching from nature to nurture, nature, nurture, and it's
such a stylized landscape. Those tea estates. A lot of
the teepickers are tamils, so amongst all those grim plantations,
this blaze of colorful saris adding to the scenery. It
really is a visual symphony. And the best way to

(01:35:24):
do that that sort of scenic experience is just jump
on a train from Candy and head up to the
higher reaches. It really is an incredible spectacle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Oh nice. So how high did you go?

Speaker 6 (01:35:37):
I went up to a place called New Water and
it is about six and a half thousand feet high.
So what's that about? To two thousand meetings? Yeah, hope
that it would be Mount Harts, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. The
temperature change incredibly startling compared to the you know, the
steam heat down in the Lowlands. But you're all those

(01:36:00):
tea plantations up there in new Water, Alia, they're all
misst shrouded. The place is Nick James, Little England, and
it's so weird Jack. It feels a bit discombobulating. There
are all of these quaint and jaunty reminders of British influence.
I was buying rock candy from faux Tudor shops in
downtown New Wada, Ellia and at the local market, I

(01:36:25):
thought this said at all. I was most amused to
see these Tamil locals, clad and saris and wooly hats
haggling over the price of OsO English vegetables like cabbage,
turnips and parsnips. That's the Sri Lankan highlands and one
sweet curious snapshot.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I thought it sounds amazing. It sounds like a very
interesting place. You've totally sold me on Sri Lanka over
the last couple of weeks. By the way, I'm really
I've not been here. I would love to go there.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Yeah, I would love to go back. I just feel
like I've dabbled and it's just as a jewel of
a country. It really is so safe, beautiful people, great
food if you stick with the vegetarian and yeah, the
scenery is just god.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Oh, thank you so much for all of your tips
and advice, and we'll make sure that your latest for
the hill country in Sri Lanka is alongside your other
advice for touring through Sri Lanka as well. So our
listeners who want to go and experience that jewel of
a country and your words can do so. Thank you,
Mike Trouble. Yeah, thank you so much. But I'll be
in touch and yeah, over the next couple of weeks
off see if anything on the ground in my experience

(01:37:30):
alters our perception of how that race is going. November fifth,
it's only a couple of weeks away. Really, it's pretty Yeah,
getting getting to the business end of things in the US.
Just coming up to eleven thirty you with Jack Tame.
This is Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 7 (01:37:46):
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Here the NEWSB. You were Jack Tamed. After midday, Jason
Pine will be broadcasting live from go Media Stadium, counting
down the hours to the first game for the newest
club in the A League, Auckland FC, who are going
to be playing Piney before but I think is expected
to be a sold out crowd.

Speaker 12 (01:38:30):
Yeah, good I Jackie, that's what we're hearing.

Speaker 23 (01:38:32):
I'm sort of in the bowels of go Media, so
apologies for the slight echo. I can if I walk
a few steps, have a look out onto the grass
which looks amazing.

Speaker 12 (01:38:41):
Actually, look what a moment, Hey, what a day.

Speaker 23 (01:38:44):
A brand new professional sporting franchise in New Zealand, eighteen
years after the Knights ceased to exist as a as
a football club in our biggest city and Auckland f
C are ready to take to the grass this afternoon.
Look really looking forward to what will be a great occasion.
There's a few celebrities I understand, Yeah, there's well, there's

(01:39:05):
whispers you hear, these rumors are such and such as
going to be Yeah, one man who will be here
as the owner, Bill Foley. He is definitely in town.
Ellie Williams is here. He's one of the co owners.
He's gonna join us on the show. Actually, also here
that Winston Reed and Tim Brown, two of the other
owner's former all whites, are in attendance, and lots more besides.
I think Ali Williams was trying to get Dan Carter along.

(01:39:26):
So honestly, below the places you normally hang out, Jack.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
I knew there was something coming. I knew there was
something brewing there. Very droll, Jason, very droll, No, there's
amazing occasion and so good to see that support. So obviously,
I mean I'm going to be there. I'll be hoping
that they can get some sort of a result, put
together a good performance for all of those fans, and
build on what is clearly a significant bit of momentum.
So Liam Lawson is he's been knocked out of the

(01:39:54):
sprint qualifying Yep, he made it for the first round,
knocked out in the second round. I think he finished
twelfth or thirteen, but no, not a pretty solid first outing.
He was just behind Sugio Peri's actually so you're not
a bad not a bad thing. But he's going to
be starting from the back of the grid for the
actual Grand Prix.

Speaker 23 (01:40:12):
Yeah, and look, I guess we have to probably limit
our expectations a little bit. I mean, it's been all
this ground swell of hey, let's get Liam Lawson in
a Formula one drive, and I think we all agree
that he deserves to be there. But he is still
a relative novice when it comes to this, so let's
not forget that. However, he's a pretty special kid from
all accounts, and look, they don't just hand out Formula

(01:40:32):
one drives check to anybody, as we know.

Speaker 12 (01:40:34):
So look, I can't wait to see how he goes.

Speaker 23 (01:40:36):
I think the actual races Monday around breakfast time in
New Zealand. So yeah, look forward to seeing how Liam goes.
And just great to know that he's got that drive
for the rest of this year. And as long as
he acquits himself pretty well, which I all think you know,
which we all think he will, then you know, twenty
twenty five will also be a full year in the
seat for Liam's say, exciting times ahead for him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
Yeah, what do you make of that White Fern's performances?

Speaker 12 (01:40:59):
How good?

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
How good? So good?

Speaker 9 (01:41:02):
You know.

Speaker 23 (01:41:02):
I was just writing out my notes for my show
intro and I wrote down the Ferns are into the
T twenty World Cup Final, and I thought to myself,
how unlikely a sentence to be typing a couple of
weeks ago, even you know, going back the last several months,
what was it thirteen straight losses the White Ferns had had,
albeit against England and Australia, who are sure sides, but

(01:41:23):
they've come to this World Cup. They've done well in
Paul play. They got past the West Indies this morning
and did brilliantly in doing so. So they're in the
final of a T twenty competition, Jack, they could.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Win it, and I'll tell you what, the screws were
really on them this morning, like the pressure was on
as it often isn't those TA twenty contests, but that
last over in particular, my goodness, it was thrilling. So yeah,
really really exciting and an amazing achievement to see them
through their America's Cup tomorrow morning.

Speaker 23 (01:41:52):
I know we could go to their match point now,
aren't they six two? So look, unless we get our
San Diego or San Francisco twenty thirteen scenario year, you know,
they could well claim the old mug or retain the
old mug in the first race tomorrow morning.

Speaker 12 (01:42:08):
So man, you don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:42:09):
Really where to look, Jack, when it comes to sport
this weekend the black Caps, Let's not forget. I've had
a terrific couple of days playing in India. You know,
there's NPC semi finals today as well, so there's there's
a heap to get stuck in.

Speaker 12 (01:42:23):
We'll try and cover most of it off if we can.

Speaker 23 (01:42:24):
Big focus on football this afternoon obviously from go Mediamount
Smart Heat of Auckland FC's opening game in the A League.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Very good looking forward to that. Thank you, Sir Jason
Pine behind the mic for weekend Sport right after the
midday News before midday we're going to play some of
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for us this weekend. Calder Catherine Morning.

Speaker 24 (01:43:04):
Jack might be hard to pull away from the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
I might be, but look, you know, if there are
little breaks between competition, maybe you can, maybe you can
find some space. So tell us about Kingmaker by Sonya Purnell.

Speaker 24 (01:43:14):
So this is about a woman called Pamela Harriman and
she was born into this very privileged but cash strap
family in the UK and they sold up their Belgravia
mansion and moved to Dorset, and her grandfather, who happened
to be the tenth Lord of Digby, built this fifty
room mansion and he was quite eccentric, so he built
it without bathrooms because he considered them completely disgusting. So
this interesting kind of upbringing that she had, and she

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was very adventurous and energetic, and she craved escape from
Dorsa and the loneliness, and she decided to get married
at the age of nineteen to a man she'd only
know him for a couple of weeks, and that turned
out to be a guy called Random Churchill, and he
was not particularly well liked in society, and he was
a bit of a catastrophe. But actually what was really
interesting about him is his parents were Winston and Clementine Churchill,

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and she took to them immediately and she was often
part of their political world and a really trusted member
of Winston Churchills in a circle at Chequers and Whitehall,
particularly during the war years. And her husband was an
alcoholic and a womanizer and ya completely lousy husband, and
they had one son together, but their marriage ended eventually

(01:44:23):
in divorce. But her early role with the Churchills, and
this intelligent gathering intermediary between the British war governer and
the Americans, and she seduced a number of high profile names,
and she became really pivotal in this political world events
and sought after and triumph by some and ridiculed by others.
And war sort of suspended a lot of the rules

(01:44:45):
and things that were going on, and she didn't really
concern herself with it, and she managed to amass this
wealth and trust as a woman who knew things and
the right people you needed to notice solve problems. And
she has this very interesting life. But years later in
her life, she marries this guy called Avril Harriman who
was an American politician and he were Secretary of State
for Truman, and she begins this crusade to actually help

(01:45:05):
the Democratic Democratic Party worked to re gain control of
Congress and nineteen ninety two fascinating she was the force
behind Bill Clinton actually being nominated and eventually elected as president.
And then she's made ambassador of France at the age
of seventy three, where apparently she was very honorable in
that role and played a pivotal role in the US
and NATO was near Serbian conflict and so she has

(01:45:26):
this life that's amazing, and in the end she's almost
bankrupt due to poor financial decisions and exchanged from children
and conflict over their state. But you have all of
this detail and political and royal names and every name
you can think of in the last one hundred years
of political knowledge and people and these remarkable contacts and
this fascination with powerful men and people and politics, and

(01:45:50):
it's just really interesting. And I'd never really heard about
her and her influence in this time. And yeah, she's
a fascinating woman.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
She sounds to me like you know how you get
asked those things like three people you'd invite to dinner
and everyone always says, oh, bama, it's not a bad answer.
But she's she's the sort of person you want to
come to dinner, someone who's lived a life, you know,
like lived a full kind of you know, stretch of experiences.
You know, she's she's got a really diverse experience at
sounds absolutely amazing.

Speaker 24 (01:46:18):
And stories to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, cool.

Speaker 12 (01:46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
So that's King Maker by Sonya Pernoell. And you've also
read The Valley by Chris Hammer.

Speaker 24 (01:46:26):
So this is the fourth in the series, which feature.
These two detectives Now Buchen and Ivan Lukik, and they
according to this case, when this very controversial local entrepreneur
middle of the Australian busher guy called Wolfgang Bernstein has
found murdered on the banks of the river, and these
old conflicts start to come back in. And he had
been planning to use this old gold mine which had

(01:46:47):
once been the center of this small local community and
for ecotourism and development, and not everybody in the small
town is completely on board with his ideas, but there's
this man of vision and he's been successful and like
he had brought fast internet into the town, and he
was looking at this power plant that would generate power
and rumoured to be have been tabling in funding a

(01:47:09):
local political candidate as well, And so the possibilities for
who could.

Speaker 7 (01:47:13):
Have murdered him are quite numerous.

Speaker 13 (01:47:15):
So when the.

Speaker 24 (01:47:15):
Detectives Ivan and Now are sent to investigate, they find
this past encroaching on the present and this investigation and
this old gold mine that some locals have tried to
open thirty years ago, and a robbery that had happened
couple of years before, and what happened in this valley
all those years ago, and then randomly the detective. Now
her mother has got something to do with it as well,
and there's this police and political corruption, and these different

(01:47:38):
timelines and perspectives lay it into the story in decades
of secrets and lies become exposed. And I really like
the writing style because as you get into it, there's
so many scenarios of what might have happened, might not
have happened, and you want to get all of the
answers quite quickly. But it's this very complex mystery with
lots of surprise and suspense.

Speaker 5 (01:47:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Great, Okay, cool. That's The Valley by Chris Hammer. Catherine's
first book again is A Kingmaker by Sonya Pernell, and
both of those will be on the Newstalk ZB website.
New music from Kimber for You're Next right Now. It
is sixteen to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to
Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bepure dot co
dot nz for high quality Supplements US talks.

Speaker 15 (01:48:19):
It'd be different.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Ah, this is cool. The song is called Ride or Die.
It's Kimber featuring Tommy Rats and Kimber's new album It's
called Idols and Vice's Volume one. The Style Clifford is
our music reviewer. She's been listening more than a shelder.

Speaker 21 (01:48:55):
I've been one of those obnoxious people who forgot her
headphone Bolsho was walking this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Oh no, I've.

Speaker 21 (01:49:01):
Been listening real loud and proud.

Speaker 18 (01:49:02):
I mean, the great thing.

Speaker 21 (01:49:03):
Is you just put your phone in your sports bruh,
keep the sound up nice aloud.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
Yourself, speak for yourself, just to be clear. You're not
like there are certain places where it's more acceptable than others.
You're not like sitting on the beach or something, are
you Well, I was.

Speaker 18 (01:49:17):
Walking along the beach and then I came back. Cart
I know, but at least now more people.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Have heard Kimbra and that's not a bad thing. Yeah yeah, but.

Speaker 18 (01:49:25):
Yeah, I was one of those people you know, and
that they look at you and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Like, yeah, I would be judging you. I'd be judging you.
But I feel like you could just say, guys, I've
got to be on Saturday mornings in like ten minutes,
and I need to have listened to as much of
this album as many times as possible.

Speaker 21 (01:49:38):
Exactly Idols and Advices Volume one. This is She's still
staying with what you'd expect from Kimber, that kind of
experimental pop, but more of an R and B and
hip hops of influence in this album interesting Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's the music actually like And what I
like about that is that she then collaborates with a
really great rap artists, not that they don't expect that

(01:50:02):
her voice could probably take her to some places, but
this is an album she she has said herself that
she wanted to work with some friends and so.

Speaker 18 (01:50:10):
She's pulled them in.

Speaker 21 (01:50:11):
When when Kimber does collaborations, what I think is really
great about them is she is very good at making
the other artists shine to what they're really.

Speaker 18 (01:50:20):
Great at, right, right, And in turn she shines because
of that too, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that's.

Speaker 21 (01:50:27):
What collaborations should be about. That you take something from
their artist that you love and then you put it
together and what it.

Speaker 18 (01:50:34):
Is that you offer.

Speaker 21 (01:50:35):
Yeah, And so sheats of layering in this album electric
pop sort of style going on. I feel like for
a lot of it, her voice is actually quite subtle
through a lot of the album. Yeah, And that's so
that surprised me because she can really push and she can.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Go totally can Yeah, So she's kind of peered back
a little bit.

Speaker 21 (01:50:55):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, and then she's put lots of layering in.
You know how, she's really good at doing those kind
of ad lib riss sort of things.

Speaker 18 (01:51:01):
I won't do it, I'll embarrass myself.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Well yeah, I mean you've done enough this morning to
do that.

Speaker 18 (01:51:06):
Let's strutting my stuff around. Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:51:11):
I think that she's been really clever at that with
the production of the album, where she can kind of
hear something, she could fill a space quite nicely with
some of those things she does with her voice, and
then added that into the production and it's really cool.
It is a lot about the beats and things that
fall and being a bit of a vendor of genres too,

(01:51:32):
which I really love about her. Yeah, And I just
I don't know this horse Field is actually I think
now that I've listened a few times, I think it's
my favorite on the album. There's a looping of vocals
and she wanted to embrace that over stimulation that you
get from being online, how to put that into a musicality.

(01:51:54):
And I think she's actually, I think she's really ace.
I mean, you have to listen to sort of you know,
understand what it is I'm kind of going on about.
And the theme is really about empowering self protection, building
a full feels around you, but again with that relentless
kind of bombardment, which is what the Muna does right
of that stimulation of us constantly scrolling on our phones in.

Speaker 18 (01:52:17):
The digital world. So this album does actually speak a
lot to that.

Speaker 21 (01:52:21):
It's it's called idols and vices, so that phrase and
glory we give to celebs and influences, and some of
it really crosses the line sometimes and again she's sometimes
done that and the lyrics that she's delivered there and
sometimes you'll find it in the musicality. I was so
fa fascinating concepts I was.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
I was so excited when I saw she was collaborating
collaborating with Banks. Banks is one of those artists who
this happens extremely rarely in my life, but I felt
like I got on the Banks buzz really early, like
before Banks was cool, and then Banks kind of grew
like blew up and kind of became cool. When I
could be, you know, really ostentatious and be like, oh,
are you only just listening to Banks now you know.

Speaker 21 (01:53:04):
So yeah, and of course it's like just one of
Kimber's friends, right, it's someone that she knows. Yeah, there's
some really great collaborations like that, and I think they
really add something. But again, I think it's her cleverness
and being able to know what it is that they
can add to what she wants to tell. And I
think that's what makes a really good collaboration.

Speaker 18 (01:53:24):
And it's nice just to.

Speaker 21 (01:53:28):
You can just listen to it, but then you can
really sink into more of it. And I think that's
what Kimber's fans kind of tend to do. And especially
when you've got someone like Banks, Scrill Exes and there
Tommy Raps, like some really interesting people that sort of
take some of these songs somewhere else, you know, and
it grows on me day by day. This album so.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Probably growing on all your neighbors on the beach this
morning as well.

Speaker 21 (01:53:52):
The mainstream bus and embrace some Timber because she only
gets more and more clever and what she does. And
I don't know that she's out to go, oh look
I'm so clever. I think it's just she just legitimately
is yeah, okay, yeah, and very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Yeah, Idols and Vices.

Speaker 12 (01:54:07):
What'd you give it?

Speaker 18 (01:54:08):
That's a ten out of ten?

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Oh, my goodness, fantastic, Oh great, okay, well look I'm
looking forward to playing a little bit more in a
couple of minutes time. Thank you, estole pleasure. That's so good.
Ten out of ten A. Yeah, Idols and Vices is
the name. Volume one is the name of the album.
Right now is eight to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with
Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot zead for high
quality supplements, news talk, senb wash.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
That has been the morning for me, absolutely flown by.
Thank you very much for all of your company, your text,
your emails, your communications. This time next week we're going
to be broadcasting from the US of A counting down
to the twenty twenty four US presidential election. Going to
be very interesting experience. This afternoon, Jason Pine's behind the
mic with Weekend Sport. He's broadcasting live from Go Media

(01:54:59):
Stadium aka Mount Smart. Five pm is kickoff for Auckland
FC taking on the Brisbane Raw in their first ever
game in the A League. Very very exciting times for
football fans well and sporting fans. Given the nature of
all the different things on this weekend. Thanks my wonderful
producer Libby for doing the tough stuff. You can find
everything from ash on the website. You know that this

(01:55:19):
is Kimber who latest album is Idols and Vices. Following one,
the song is called back to You See you next
week Look and.

Speaker 22 (01:55:28):
I don't want the solo.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
I don't want the cycle because I want to.

Speaker 22 (01:55:42):
Cass No my circle. When I feel the loneliness, go

(01:56:10):
right to you.

Speaker 15 (01:56:11):
I feel on the floe time.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
I can never see your sick.

Speaker 22 (01:56:15):
And my promise is not my sack. Go right back
to your baby. Hell, everybody says a stay for somebody, sup.

Speaker 15 (01:56:31):
So hard. I'll tell me how.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
The only wan I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:56:37):
Why when I feel the loneliness and go right back
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
For more from on Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen
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