Full Show Podcast: 01 December 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Monday the 1st of December, Local Government Minister Simon Watts speaks on what councils will be spending on 'Water Done Well' over the next decade.

The Prime Minister speaks about our maths results, whether EU countries are worried about our climate targets and the City Rail Link being delayed until late 2026.

For the final time Andrew Saville and Jason Pine speak to Mike for the year about the F1, Supercars and Auckland FC.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Been worning and welcome today new numbers around the water
Doneworld program. The pun conversion to Deary is well and
truly onland this country. We've got some good news around
baiting the prime ministers and of course the lads do
the sport in the commentary box Richard Arnold and Steve Preslin.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
As well.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Posking, Welcome to a new week. Seven past six. Is
their hope for climate change? After all, there's your opening
question for a Monday Morning. Revealed last week, we are
on track to meet our twenty twenty six twenty thirty targets.
This is despite every greenie going thinking the current government
of some sort of fossil fuel loving luddite. Meantime, Australia
they announced their biggest reduction in emissions since COVID. So

(00:50):
what's going on? Although the big picture doesn't look good,
I must say, I mean I doubt the world gets
the net zero by twenty fifty through our actions alone.
There seems to be much hope in the fact we
don't know what we don't know. The variables involve science
who may do a bunch of remarkable stuff we haven't
even thought of, or if we have, we haven't fully developed.
But our target for twenty six through thirty is helped
by trees that are absorbing CO two at a rate

(01:12):
we didn't anticipate, so we are underestimating their impact. Haven't
had to do a thing, and yet the target looks
more real, and surely it's that sort of eventuality. We
need to be more open too, are given the zalids
are all about the provable, the tangible, the intervention simply
doesn't deliver on the promise. The Australian example and reference
to COVID is what we learned in COVID is when
you do nothing economically, emissions drop, sort of like life

(01:35):
return to fourteen thirty five. And we also learned that
we are not prepared to create or impose that sort
of economic damage on our lifestyles. Australia got their result
while burning and producing more gas. Of course, we got
there by reducing our promises and targets, and yet the
trees came to the party. Obsession, you see, is not
always a good trait, especially if it gets in the
way of common sense or broad based buy And I

(01:56):
don't know anyone who wouldn't be happy making a climate target,
but I do know a lot of people that aren't
prepared to up in their lives to do it. So
maybe these two results are your happy medium, your mediated
middle ground. We got there. We may still get their
long term but in the ensuing period, let's drop the
angst and the fury and the made renting and focus
more on the sensible and the doable.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Why news of the world in ninety seconds, let's.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Start with the cold, stark reminder of American life with guns.
California Thanksgiving weekend kids party, four dead, ten wounded.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
It absolutely breaks our hurry to have the loss of life,
and to have loss of life to children in our community.
We are doing everything possible to bring the individual that's
possible this to justice.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
In the Middle East, Benumin's come up with a neat
new idea. Is clearly a bit sick of being dragged
through the Court's been going on a year after year,
so why not ask for a pardon?

Speaker 5 (02:50):
The State of Israel faces immense challenges alongside tremendous opportunities.

Speaker 6 (02:54):
To fend off the threats and to.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Realize the opportunities, national unity is required. The continueuation of
the trial tears us apart from within, stirs up this
division and deepens rips.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Then in Britain we've got Rachel Busy as a beeber
out defending her taxation.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Look, I'm a labor chancellor. I want to reduce child poverty.
I make no apologies for that. This will be the
biggest ever reduction in child poverty in a parliament ever,
and I'm proud to be the chancellor that lifts half
a million kids out of poverty.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Kimmy knows about Porky's.

Speaker 8 (03:26):
She's made a mess of the economy and you look
at the papers today she has told lies. This is
a woman who in my view, should be resigning. She's
the one who's actually made it personal talking about how
all of this is happening because she's a woman.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got a poll on that, by the way. Later
on way outlift of the political spectrum. But still in Britain,
Jeremy Corbyn's new party, which is called Your Party. The
co founder woman called Sultana. She spent the first day
of the conference, boycotting the event before changing your mind
and addressing the event.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
The expulsions, the bands, censorship on conference floor are unacceptable.

Speaker 9 (03:58):
It's undemocrats.

Speaker 10 (04:00):
It's an attack on members and this movement.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Then then we come to the backstreet boy, Brian Latrelle.
He's got a beach, but also a woman he's sewing
because she won't get off the beach.

Speaker 11 (04:11):
People that know me know the person in the band
that I am.

Speaker 12 (04:14):
I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a good dude.

Speaker 11 (04:17):
And you know, we make music, you know, we bring
people together in music.

Speaker 9 (04:21):
And this is important to me.

Speaker 11 (04:23):
It's about my name and my legacy, so I have
to protect it.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right. So finally we've got a Faberget Imperial leg coming
up for auction. So there's only fifty of these eggs.
This was Russia, dizars, all that sort of stuff, you
know the story. Anyway, seven are missing. Most room museums
siven are in private collector's hands, but only three of
them have been bought and sold. And it's one of
those three of them's been sold this time around by Christie's.
And not only it's called the Winter Egg, it's been
sold before it was sold twenty three years ago. Twenty

(04:47):
three years ago went for seventeen million. This time they
think probably forty six million plus, So good luck with
that one. News of the World in ninety things in China,
by the way, factory and service gauge which is still
below fifty. A little bit of increase in activity in
the factory activity by the end of November, but still
stuck in contraction. India, though India is booming, grew faster

(05:11):
than expected their GDP number, You're ready eight point two percent.
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
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Speaker 2 (05:27):
A little bit of democracy on the weekend in Malaysia
and Ibrahim's allies have been trounced. This is his first test.
So Ibrahim runs the place he's the prime minister, their
first regional election and it's gone horribly wrong as Harropan
coalition won just one of twenty seats he had seven.
This is the eastern state on Borneo Island. So that's

(05:49):
not a good day out Fifteen past six, generating this
Monday morning Greek Smith Morning to you retail.

Speaker 13 (05:57):
What do we get going pretty well in the US
spinning up four point one percent on Black Friday card
to MasterCards, so it's up on them last year's three
point four percent rise, so in stall sales one point
seven cent, but the real action Mike online sales up
ten point four percent on last year. Also, Adobie Analytics,
they monitored traffic on retail websites, they reported a record

(06:19):
six point four billion online on Thanksgiving DAYLN. That's up
over five percent. It is taking some discounting to get
us shop as excited, so electronics are cut by around
twenty eight percent, tours by twenty seven percent, but they
were buying Black Friday itself. Americans had already spent eight
point six billion dollars online Adobe reacons that final number

(06:41):
of land between eleven point seven eleven point nine that
would be a record online sales. Over the rest of
the weekend, they were expected to stay strong, so five
point five billion for satellite, five point nine billion on
Sunday and drum roll of course today Mike everyn will
be out there on a Cyber Monday, and that's expected
to be the biggest online shopping day of the year, again,
projected to hit fourteen point two billion. That would be

(07:02):
up six perent on last year, so it provides a
bit of comfort after some of those confidence serveoys recently,
and for us here in New Zealand, of course, retails
are going to be watching this very closely. Let's see
if Keywi shoppers are as equally upbeat.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Now this silver thing just lost in translation, really because
we've all been obsessed with gold. Yeah that's right.

Speaker 13 (07:22):
So yeah, gold sort of had golden run this year.
It's up around about sixty percent, but silver up around
ninety percent, and you've had prices surging on Friday actually,
so over fifty five years, dollars an ounce up six
percent in fact, to fifty six spot fifty. That's an
all time I also came as the world's largest precious

(07:43):
metal exchange. See these comics that actually had a big outage.
So when that came back online, so did a Russia
pent up by But my year, it's not just a
technical blip. Silver's been doing well all year thanks to
a mix of strong investment demand, tightening global supply stop
piles in London, Shanghai, the running low you've had mind
production falling under investment, especially in Latin America, and on

(08:04):
demands on. As we know, your structural trends are really
providing a boom for silver, So evs AUR related electronics,
solar panels are or booming, of course, and if we
all end up having EVS, time will tell. The average
electric car is going to need a key load of
silver compete with today's sort of guest guzzles that just
need a few grams. And you talked about India just before.

(08:26):
That's also been a big part of the story. World's
number one silver bar demand jumped into the monsoon harvest
and heading into the valley and that's kept going. So yeah,
the frenzy has been building for a long time. Tops
supply booming, industrial use, so silver's shine they might not
fade anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
They might good stuff. What about jobs, jobs.

Speaker 12 (08:43):
Phill jobs.

Speaker 13 (08:43):
We've been talking about green shoots, but hey, the to
transpire in the jobs market, so we're still looking for
something there. So phill jobs in New Zealand were two
point three four million in October. That was down half
of see on October twenty twenty four. But at least
we've stopped a tear inning by lock. If you take
a glass full approach, Perhaps surprisingly public sector mic up

(09:04):
two percent on the air. That's the strongest lifticent in
mid twenty four. Healthcare doing well, tourism linked industries doing well.
Construction is still not so good, so probably the last
to turn around, I suppose, but that's down more than
four percent. Terms of full jobs, Auckland looks to be stabilizing,
Wellington still down the dumps, Canbury adding jobs, so they're
familiar trends. And of course young work is still doing

(09:24):
a tough age fifteen to ninety and that was the
biggest annual decline. People in their thirties and early forties
are seen some job growth growth Earnings still rising up
around in about one point one percent. Of course that's
below CPI, so that's something else. But what does this
all mean? The MEI that this is normally a good
predictor of official unemployment figures A basic shows that growth

(09:45):
and employment isn't yet keeping up with population, so we
might actually see unemployment partick up around five point four
percent in the December.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Quarter Hiring service.

Speaker 13 (09:53):
We did talk about the seat job ads last week,
so they're looking a bit more positive, but you demand
overall still pretty so hopefully Mike this improves. Running into
twenty twenty six, some of all those interest rate cuts
filtering through.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Nice give me the numbers.

Speaker 13 (10:08):
So the Dow was up point six percent of forty
seven seven one six s and p up half percent
six eight four nine. There's tick up point seven percent
twenty three three six five for the up point three percent,
knick out point two percent A six two hundred dollars
flat eight six one four. We were higher insex fifty
up point four percent thirteen four eight nine. Gold yea
that was running as well, up eighty two dollars four

(10:29):
to two three nine, all down ten cents fifty eight
spot fifty five. Pretty mixing the currency markets against the
US fifty seven point four for the kiwis against Austrand
dollar eighty seven point five, So have picked up a
bit there, forty three point three against sterling Japanese yen
eighty nine point six. This week, Mike, we've got more
data coming up. Thankfully, We've got US manufaction services, got

(10:50):
some inflation. We're also going another consumer Sentiment SERVEO in
the US that will be interesting. EU inflation Ossie third
called a GDP, since earnings trickling through it sales a
bunch of Canadian banks Hewlett Packard locally building permits trade
done in this sterery ouption that's going to be really
close to.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
What Yeah, it's going to be good. All right mate,
we'll see you see you next week. Appreciate it. Grigsmith
at Generate, Generate Wealth and Key we say a specialists
pask just to give you the f one update. It
looks like McLaren have cocked up a couple of things
pitstop whys and the Stappen's going to win it. They've
got five laps to go. Piastres chasing the stap and
down may or may not catch him, probably won't. Norris's fifth,

(11:30):
so the points differential is going to be major. So
it goes into next week for the championship. More importantly
for US, Lawson's now found himself in tense spots, so
that's points Hadgerius sixths and notas behind Lawson in eleventh.
No points. Lawson will hold a seat for next year,
which is the good news. That's not official, but remember
when you heard it, So all seems to be going
well in Guitar six twenty one, Cold News twenty sev.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
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Speaker 2 (12:01):
It'd be yeah, So it looks really good for Lawson.
Lawson started, I can't even remember now, thirteenth, fourteenth. Anyway,
he's in the points, he's at teenth. He's got Sonoda
behind him about a second and a half behind. So he
will score points, Hedge, you will score points. So that's
a good weekend for racing bulls as I seed. All
the commentary over the weekend appears to indicate that Lawson
will hold for next year. He'll be back at racing

(12:21):
balls along with lind Bled and Sonoda has been told
that he doesn't have a seat basically for next year
six twenty five. Don't worry about it. So anyway, before
the race, it's well, Max grumpy with Martin Brundle.

Speaker 14 (12:40):
He's actually my go to comfort, my comfort blanket at
the moment, Gordon, you're my comfort blanket.

Speaker 10 (12:46):
If I'm sure I haven't got so, I've already talked
to these guys.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
So how I am my friend? What's going on? What
do you reckon to all of this?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
H Listen?

Speaker 12 (12:54):
The setup's incredible.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Nice would have been ninety minute times.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
A crown a British championship, so fingers Crossland.

Speaker 14 (13:00):
So yeah, you're one hundred pero manna.

Speaker 12 (13:04):
Without tonight, you think you might.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Get one percent and then joy it next weekend without
the pressure of if if because the cars.

Speaker 6 (13:11):
Loo can pass.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's been a really fast weekend. Hegia, what's Oh my god,
Hedge is just what happened to him? Something's happened. You
get a puncture, Hedges in trouble anyway, So here we go.
Va Stefan's going to win this race. Piastre is going
to come second. Saints, which is a remarkable result, is
going to come third, Antonelli is fourth and Norris is fifth.

(13:34):
Now the problem with Norris he is chasing down Antonelli,
which is a points component. But the reality is that
although it looked good for Lando, Norris and Gordon Ramsey
has proven to be completely and utterly wrong. Norris will
not win this so it will definitely go into next week.
The important point to remember about this is going into

(13:55):
next week. It was almost certainly going to go into
next week short of Norris winning and you know else
falling by the wayside. But the important point for next
week is how next week unfolds. So in other words,
it's not a foregone conclusion, so it's going to be
super exciting. So it could be Piastre, it could be
for Stepp and it could be Norris. So for a
season where once upon a time and not long ago

(14:16):
it was over, it isn't over anywhere close to it.
So from our point of view, the good news is
that Lawson is now ninth because something dreadful.

Speaker 10 (14:24):
Has happened, was a puncture so match talked about debris
on the tracks obviously hadn't.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Effect so anyway, hedges hedges hedges out now so he
was six or seventies gone, so that leaves Lawson currently ninth,
so an excellent result. He's presumably been given the good news.
He's got a seat for next year. Any score some
points and he beats anoda and his teammate ends up
at the back of the field, so I think he's
going to be pretty pleased with proceedings and guitar which

(14:50):
is just literally coming to a conclusion. News is next
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Twenty your watch out in Florida at this time around.
The Ukraine delegation in the States will get the update
shortly from Richard ARD's twenty three to seven. Not surprisingly,
we're seeing a lot of interest in dairy farms of
the conversion. To Canterbury Regional Council alone are given the
green light to thirty two new farms. It's another twenty
five thousand cows for the region. Numbers don't lie. I
mean forty percent of aariable farms make money, whereas it's
eighty one percent for dairy Calding as the Fair Farmer's

(15:31):
National Dairy Chair And as with this calm morning to you,
good morning. This major historically, this conversion. Have we seen
something like this before?

Speaker 15 (15:40):
Ah?

Speaker 16 (15:40):
I think what we have to remember is this isn't
a large scale conversion what we've seen in the past.
This is what happens when there's been a memorandium of
land ease change that's been three years pent up demand.
So yeah, when we've had three years of not being
able to choose the best land uice, thirty farms is

(16:05):
still not going to change the livestock numbers. Back to
anywhere near what the peak was about ten years' you.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I mean, where are we at with the whole scenario?
In other words, are we at peak cow and where
the dairy market is globally and so on, or are
there just there's a massive cure of people waiting to
convert if they could.

Speaker 16 (16:27):
I think peak cow in New Zealand was reached de'luated
about ten years ago now, so we're well past that point.
We actually have more land use out of deirytre and
cow numbers than what we do having coming into it.
So this is effectively three years with conversions or land

(16:47):
use change. But in that time we've had countless farms
in the North Island and some in the South Island.
They've gone from dairy to horticulture, to housing, to other
uses that outside the dairy sector. So again it's not
really a massive change, but it's it's not the numbers

(17:10):
that people are thinking it will be.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
No indeed not. So this is Canterbury that I gave
the example of. Are there other regions in which conversions
are taking place, can take place or will take place
like the Waycatto in Southland, et cetera.

Speaker 16 (17:22):
There may be some conversions that will happen in other areas,
but again if it's not economically viable or environmentally worth
doing where you have to remember that all these farms
in Canterbury are still going to have to have a consent.
They're still going to have as much as you can
say as it's only the discharge consent. Canterbury Land Regional

(17:43):
Water Plan limits discharge of night stroen and the de
still have to meet those targets. So it doesn't matter
what land use you change it to, you still have
to be decreasing your usage.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So I know there's been pent up demand as you've explained,
but how many of them look at the market currently
what we've gone through, the ten dollars per kilo, et cetera,
and think this is going forever versus I just wanted
to get into deary no matter what.

Speaker 16 (18:13):
I think. As my colleague David pointed out that you know,
obviously Arable Farmer's ant making great money at the moment
and they're the other ones that have got the irrigad
land to potentially able to convert some to dairy. There
is a much more consistent cash flow as then you
send milk every you know, for ten months of the year,

(18:34):
you send a product and you get paid. Unfortunately it
doesn't work from much of the rest of their gricultural sector.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
No, exactly, all right, cal Nelson, So I appreciate it
very much, Caldean, who's the Confederative Farmer's National Dairy. The
implications are fairly large. Out of guitar a couple of
moments ago, work you through the points in just a
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Speaker 6 (19:55):
Hosky Mike.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Lando just needs to come third next week, Maria, correct,
but ask yourself where Lando came today? And it wasn't first,
all second or third? And and that is the high
drama pstre at the end of the race. We can't
wait to talk to Steve about this later, He goes speechless.
I have no words. I think with hindsight, it's pretty
obvious what we would have done. So the references the
pit strategy, which McLaren completely and utterly cocked up. McLaren

(20:21):
are doing no interviews. They've gone straight to the garage
and saying nothing to anybody. So points wise, now Lando's
on four hundred and eight. Max is on three ninety six,
Oscars on three ninety two, So a gap between of
twelve points between Lando and Max, sixteen between Oscar and Lando,
so twenty five for a win, eighteen for second, fifteen
for third. So you can do the maths from that.
So in other words, it is all to play for

(20:44):
next week. More with the lads after eight o'clock six
forty five.

Speaker 17 (20:47):
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Speaker 2 (20:52):
Richard L. Good morning to you. Good morning Mike, Ukraine.
Where are we at?

Speaker 14 (20:56):
Talks are on again, they are so the Trump team
is pressed this, which is plus point I suppose, even
as Putin, though shows no sign of compromise, quite the
opposite Russia launching wardrone and missile attacks on qv Marco Rubio,
the Secretary of State, is meeting with Ukrainian delegates in
Florida this day. Then he will travel to Moscow to
meet with Putin. That meeting with Putin is expected this week.

(21:18):
No details on the timing as yet. Ukrainian officials are
saying the US broken plan is more acceptable to them now,
but the toughest issues as we've been saying all along
are unresolved, including whether Ukraine will surrender territory and the
ongoing security details. All this occurring against the backdrop of
the corruption scandal in Ukraine, as the country's key negotiator

(21:39):
has resigned as chief of staff after a raid on
his home. So where does this leave Ukrainian leader Zelensky
weaker or stronger? Putin says he has no intention of
signing any agreement with Zelenski, whom he says it is
not a legitimate leader. So there is not much hope
in Ukraine for this diplomatic effort. Of course, Trump had
said that last Friday, your time his deadline for the

(22:00):
peace effort. That deadline obviously has.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Passed, and we're aware it. With Venezuela.

Speaker 14 (22:05):
Yeah, now the Trump team is pressing for a settlement
on Ukraine. They're upping the tensions over Venezuela with six
international airliness spending flights into that country after Trump decleared
the espace over Venezuela to be closed. The Trump administration
has stirred, as you know, in a national controversy, a
lot of it, by attacking those small boats off the
country of Venezuela. More than eighty people having been killed

(22:27):
in those US attacks. While the Trump administration has provided
no evidence that these were drug carrying boats in our prison,
Trump says the US military campaign could be stepped up
with attacks on land.

Speaker 12 (22:38):
People aren't wanting to be delivering by sea, and we'll
be starting to stop them by land.

Speaker 15 (22:45):
Or so well.

Speaker 14 (22:45):
Republic considered the Markwayne Mullen today expressed his support for
this land attack threat.

Speaker 18 (22:51):
We're not going to allow them to continue to use
Venezuela as a terrorist country to ship in times of
drugs into the United States, continue to kill our brothers
or sisters or friends and family.

Speaker 14 (23:03):
So is there anything to this?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
We'll see.

Speaker 14 (23:05):
The US has declared Venezuelan and president of Duro to
be the head of a drug cartel and a foreign
terrorist organization. The Pentagon is reported to have drafted a
series of target options, including military units Backmaduro and oil
facilities they've also built, as we've seen this huge arsenal
around Venezuela, including the USS gerald Ford Carrier Strike Group.
Democrats are slamming Trump for moving closer to another costly

(23:28):
foreign war as they see it, a foreign policy experts say,
Venezuela in reality plays only a small part in the
drug trade to the US. Much of the cocaine produced
in Columbia passes through Venezuela and goes on to Europe.
Fentanyl is produced mostly in Mexico with chemicals drawn from Channina. Meantime,
some Republican senators have joined an investigation into allegations that

(23:51):
the US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered a follow up
strike on survivors after an American air strike on to
kill everybody. Democratic Senator Mark Kelly says this race's concerns
about this being a possible war crime.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
Going after survivors in the water that is clearly not lawful.

Speaker 14 (24:10):
While Trump also is facing criticism for granting a pardon
to One Hernandez, a former president of Honduras who was
convicted in the US of drug trafficking charges. Some Democrats
are calling this pardon unconscionable and evidence, they say, of
phony claims about drug concerns good stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
See Wednesday. Richard Arnold's stateside not to be underestimated. He
referenced it. But to the chief of staff in Ukraine,
guy called Yumac, and I alluded you to this. A
couple of weeks ago. It wasn't just him. There was
a former justice or a current justice minister involved as well.
So there's corruption law that's not to be forgotten about,
a scandal that's rocked them for weeks. A couple of

(24:49):
anti corruption agencies raided his apartment over the weekend, so
he's gone meantime, if you missed it over the weekend,
Trump's decided this is out of the shooting in d
C of the two National Guard members, permanently pause migration
on all quote unquote third world countries and that border view.
We have numbers out this morning for the fall there

(25:10):
fall as in autumn of semester for university international student
enrollment is down seventeen percent. Now, this is a fifty
five billion dollar industry that is being materially affected by
that particular attitude. Turn Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
The Mike Hosking breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities News
togs had been why.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I'm picking Max to win the F one Championship. I
don't even think McLaren can handle the pressure. They'll choke Paul.
After this morning's performance, you wouldn't rule against that, Mike.
Did Ferrari even start the GP not a peep about
the yere eighth for Leclair and Hamilton is just having
the world's most miserable time twelfth He can't get any
speed out of the car. You should have seen Piastri
a couple of moments ago on the podium. You've never

(25:52):
seen a bloke who looks more miserable for a person
who came second. He looked like he wanted to slash
his wrists. Champagne, no, thank you, put it straight down,
didn't drink a bit. Meantime, Scites, who I think I'm
right in saying, is a second podium of the year.
He's all celebrations because Williams aren't expected to be anywhere
near that end of the field, of course, so he's
beside himself. So they got a lot of They got

(26:16):
a lot of soul searching to do. And despite the
fact that Brundle said McLaren aren't talking to are talking,
so they're sort of explaining themselves at the moment. Anyway,
By the way, did you go see Lewis Capaldi last night?
I'm getting good reviews out of christ Church. He happened
his tour in christ Church, So if you went and
saw Lewis Capaldi apparently he's very very funny, very very entertaining.
So I'd like to hear a review on that. Gimnies

(26:38):
in the country at the moment, Mike, and the best
labor can come up with is to supply low interest lines.
It's not low interests, no interest, no interest lines to
the highest doing cohort in New Zealand. God help us, Mike.
How the hell is Hipkins going to pay for the
low interest? Why is everyone saying it's low interest, it's
no interest, it's an interest free loan. It's for the
first two years. Anyway, how's he going to pay for

(26:59):
He's going to pay for it with But you'll notice
from the CGT there's a tremendous amount being now loaded
onto the CGT in terms of policies. So I don't
know whether that's good. Is that you know? Do you
want to borrow money for a practice? Are there a
lot of practices needed in this country? Is that the
problem that they're addressing. I don't know. Five minutes away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
On the ins and the outs, it's the beiz with
business favor take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Very good news on the salmon as well. This is
more of this. We're exporting food to the world, So
volumes for salmon have increased at a rate of ten
percent every single year since twenty seventeen. So do those numbers.
In the year of September seven, exports were up. We're
worth one hundred and forty million dollars, so they still
got a long way to go. I mean, it's good business,
but one hundred and forty million dollars. If you compare
it to say, key we fruit at four billion or

(27:45):
dairy at twenty are fifty two hundred tons. More than
two thirds of that goes to the States, especially out west.
They love it out Western California Ia. And if they
don't love it out Western California Ia, they love it
in flash places like New York, Boston and Chicago premium seed.
They're all about that sort of thing and that part
of the world. China, Australia, Japan, and Canada are our
next largest markets. China's where the growth potential is, which

(28:07):
is interesting because if we do the beef and the
sheep quite often, and they've got problems and of course
you know, their economy shot the pieces, so they're not
buying as much of the premium stuff as they used to. Anyway,
in the last year they've increased their imports of our
salmon by eighty five percent, so that is encouraging, but
of course the downside once again on that I was
telling you laugh week about the price of salmon. I
don't eat. I hit all the salmon over the weekend.

(28:29):
We both agreed with each other that we don't like it.
It's an acquired taste, you know what I mean. But
there's a certain amount of salmon you can have. And
you have the salmon, and you go, oh, this is
really good for us, isn't it. This is fantastic for us.
And then there's a bit more salmon. You go, you
know what, I know, this is good for it. But
that's pretty powerful stuff. It's a bit overwhelming. And then
you have a little bit and you go, I think,

(28:50):
actually that's probably enough for me. Anyway, it doesn't really matter, cany.

Speaker 10 (28:53):
You may have heard of these things called cards, Mike.
I know you don't have much to do with them,
but sometimes if you combine cards with things like femine.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Helped the like a cracker.

Speaker 16 (29:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, The point being you can't afford salmon anyway, because
it's price perkilo's gone through the roof. We're going to
be talking about local water done well? Does that thrill you?
Local water done well?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
Seven past seven to new numbers around the water done
Well programmed for you this morning. Forty eight billion as
your bill over ten years, though thirty billions for waste
and stormwater previously scraped three waters that was estimated at
one twenty to one to eighty five billion over thirty years.

Speaker 12 (29:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Simon Watts is your local government minister and his weathers.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Good morning, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
The forty eight billion is made up of what for
who and where?

Speaker 19 (29:49):
The forty eight billions an estimate by council, so how
much they think they're going to spend on water infrastructure
over the next decade. It's spread across the two different entities.
I think you have to put it in context, Mike,
that what they think they're going to spend is different
to what the industry is currently spending. The industry is
only spending between two and three billion dollars a year

(30:12):
at the moment in terms of run rate on this
type of infrastructure, So forty eight is a big differential
verse that, and I think there has to be taken
in context that you know, what they think they're going
to spend and what will be spending are two different things.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And how much is debt, well.

Speaker 19 (30:30):
It depends on the structure of each of the councils.
But you know they have the capability to take borrowings
significantly more than what they could under the last model.
I haven't got the specifics for each part, but forty
eight is a totality number.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
How much do you how many do you reckon they're
going to end up in trouble with debt?

Speaker 19 (30:50):
Well, we've had the ComCom review the financial sustainability of
their enersities of all the entities and looked at what
they have got in terms of whether they can cover
their costs and repay their debt. And the ComCom said
to me that these entities are financially sustainable, and on
that basis, I'm comfortable that they can deal with the
challenges that are in front of them. I think without doubt.

(31:11):
As we go into ten years from now, the challenge
around making sure that rates are affordable and all that
they can repay the AT debt is going to be important.
But I'm comfortable based on the Comcom's assessment that these
guys have got they've got the financial strength underpinning them.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
How many have you got left who have got a
plan that you don't like.

Speaker 19 (31:32):
We've got one that I've put a facilitator in, and
we've got about six more that need to be approved.
But my view is that eventually all of those are
going to be fine. But we've probably got a couple
more weeks before I can sort of raise the flag
and say we're done in terms of a full assessment
of all the councils.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
And what's the breakdown with cooperation councils coalescing versus people
going alone, and do any of them bother you?

Speaker 19 (31:56):
Yeah, I've got basically thirty eight of the counts have
joined together into twelve different entities, so that's a pretty
big success. Twenty two are doing it themselves and eight
have moved into a new structure, so we've got forty
two entities and totality and might you know there's been
some pushback around the numbers and all of that. It's

(32:17):
never been about the number of entities. It's been about
whether financially sustainable. And you know that's the critical part
is the reform over No, you know, we've got other
groupings of councils that are currently working on coming together
as well, that are currently stand alone at the moment.
So this is an evolution. We're not going to you know,
we're taking a bite to the apple. But are we

(32:39):
at the destination? No, But I think we've created we've
softened the ground and you're seeing this coming through in
the regional council conversation. We've softened the ground and the
dialogue that people are going, oh well, you know this
sort of makes sense that maybe we should consolidate and
continue on that journey. And that doesn't just happen. You know,
you've got to bring people with you on this.

Speaker 16 (32:58):
And awards have.

Speaker 19 (32:59):
For structure reform softened the ground for the conversations that
we're having as a country and I think that's a
pretty exciting prospect for the next five years ahead.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
All right, appreciate it. Simon. What's Local Government minister there?
It's eleven minutes past seven past. US full court press
on Venezuela continued over the weekend, as Richard told us
in the last hour declaration that the air space should
be considered close. So what's the plan here. Jeffrey Price
is the senior Fellow at Foreign Policy Institute in the
John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Back with us,
Jeffrey morning, Good morning. What's the effect of the declaration?

Speaker 20 (33:31):
Well, so the pressure is being ramped up really to
a very high level. The amount of military force that
we the United States had built up in the Caribbean
is really quite significant. We have a carrier strike group
with our largest and most modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier,
the ford On Station in the area. There's been a

(33:54):
ramping up of threats as you mentioned, and they're also
ongoing strikes against both coming from Veniceue. So the pressure
is a very high level. And the question you ask
is I think really the right one, which is what
is the strategy and the endgame here. Clearly I think
that Trump administration would like to remove Maduro, but it's

(34:17):
not clear exactly how that would be accomplished with the
amount of force that I think we the United States
would be willing to employ.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I think it was last week. Maduro City wouldn't mind
a word. Is that going to happen? Do we think? Well?

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Not so.

Speaker 20 (34:32):
Trump has spoken to Maduro, but nothing major seems to
have come from it. I think not unusual for President Trump.
There was talk of a meeting, but my sense is
that the meeting is not if it was ever going
to happen, It's not going to happen unless there's something
very substantial agreed between them. So meanwhile, you know the rhetoric,

(34:56):
and you know, as you mentioned, the airspace is now
been closed.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
What's the more effective aspect of it the aircraft carrier
that sits off the coast versus the half dozen Allians
that didn't come back and therefore got banned last week.

Speaker 20 (35:12):
So Venezuela has been subject to a heavy degree of sanctions.
I don't think going to that's going to change their calculus.

Speaker 16 (35:20):
Really.

Speaker 20 (35:20):
I think the thing that's really going to change the
status quo inside in Venezuela, if it does, is military force.
And the issue is what what could the United States
do with probably air strikes against a limited set of
targets that would change the regime in Madua?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
In Maduro's regime exactly. While I've got your expertise, Jeffrey,
this thing in Florida, the talks at the moment, the
war in Ukraine. Is this going anywhere? Am I going
to be talking to you for the next six months?

Speaker 20 (35:51):
It has been going on for a very long time. Again,
this too has been ramped up to a fairly high level.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You've got.

Speaker 20 (36:00):
Whitkoff, who is the president's negotiator, is also going to
go to the Kremlin this week. I would not bet
the farm that this results in an agreement for the
reason that I just don't think that Putin is going
to agree to anything that would be reasonable or acceptable
to the Ukrainians.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
All right, appreciate your expertise as always, Jeffrey Price, who's
with John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Fourteen minutes
past seven, Hu's Mike Winter Lewis Capoli last night, full House.
Excellent funny, engaging such a powerful voice, everyone saying along,
knew all the words. Well, that's good, Ali, glad you
had a good time. Mike does Chip we think here
we just have a short memory. Well, of course he does.

(36:37):
It's our elections work. This guy restructured health in the
middle of a pandemic, create the divisiit Maory Health Authority
and help drive the economy off a clip with record debt,
How could anyone trust labor again? Well, not a bad question,
but look at the polls. Fourteen Past.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
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Speaker 2 (36:59):
Watching the foot yesterday I was watching the football while
I was waiting for the supercars to start. Anyway, you
wouldn't have seen much of the football because of rain fade,
of course, because we're still living in nineteen sixty two. Anyway,
when it started rating the field, the Auckland field, it
was just like something you couldn't believe. And Auckland lost
and there's no crowd. So I need to find out
from Jason Pine what's going on. So this was the
team that just just set everyone a light last year.

(37:21):
This year there's no crowd and they can't win. So
what's the problem. And that's before the fact that you're
playing in the swimming pool. Anyway, that's for later. Meantime.
At eighteen pass Good News on Vaping Big Study thirty
year ten Students Daily vaping's gone from eight point seven
to seven point one percent. Regular vaping fell from fourteen
percent down to eleven, which is almost half since its peak,
by the way, in twenty twenty one. So it seems

(37:41):
all good news. Robert beagle Hole is the ash chair and.

Speaker 15 (37:44):
Is with us.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Good morning, Good morning you mine. With these numbers, do
you reckon the tide has turned?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I think this is a very good news story, Mike,
and the tide is turning. Definitely, use smoking one percent
and precedent lowest in the world. We are raising a
smoke free generation. Use vaping on the way down. Good
news story. We're getting on top of it.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
On vaping, can you separate the groups out, in other words,
the young experiment to who may or may not carry
on with it, versus the cessation crowd who use it
for something completely different.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah. Well, the seven percent is the daily vapors. These
are the people who clearly have some dependence too high,
and we need to do more. There are another group
of experiments about four percent. So overall are about eleven
percent to vape at least once a month. But the
less regular, the less the norm dailies. They are declining dramatically.

(38:42):
As well.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
What do you reckons leading to them?

Speaker 6 (38:44):
They try it that amy.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think there are a lot of couple of things.
I think the regulations that have slowly come into place
are having an effect mode. Before we put the regulations
in place, before the laws were passed, vaping took off.
We were slow to act. Now they've come into place,
both from the last government and increasingly from this government.
I think we're getting on top of it. I'm also

(39:09):
told I don't know how to verify this, that vaping
is becoming less cool amongst some groups.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Do you think that's a long term thing. Do you
think eventually will be for all intentsive purposes smoke free.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
I think we'll be smoke free for sure, and the
youth will also not be vaping nicotine products. I think
we're on to a winner. We're leading the world, there's
no question.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
All right, Robert, appreciate it, Robert Bigel hole out of
ash Morning, Mike, what about the abomination of the result
in the Supercars? Sure, the final runs made exciting racing,
but how someone who did absolutely nothing in the first
ten rounds was seven hundred points off the lead going
into the finals. They can win it, They might as
well not even bother racing the first three quarters of
the season. You raise an interesting point more later Dan
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just as Secretary Lammy has suggested the end of the
jury trial except for rape, move manslaughter or what he
calls cases that pass a national interest test. Now the

(41:04):
idea has received the sort of reaction you would expect
from the usual court, as you would expect it from now.
My hope is we might want to look at something
a little bit similar here. Now the weight like the
UK for a trial in this country's absurd. Of course,
the system's overwhelmed. Getting a jury is hard work. It's
never going to get any easier. So if we expect
the system and it doesn't function in a way that

(41:25):
we would want, judge only I would have thought would
be an immediate improvement and efficiency. Could I also be
controversial and suggest the reality is that most people who
end up in court are in fact guilty of what
they're accused of doing, Which is not to change the
idea that you were innocent until proven otherwise. It's just
that you can mount a fairly solid argument that a
jury is made up of a collection of people who

(41:46):
may or may not want to be there, or may
or may not know what's really going on, or may
or may not get nuance and minutia of certain aspects
of the law, and therefore as a collective be a
fairly weak representation of the justice you seek. In a way,
it's like democracy, if you think about it. I mean,
we love the idea of democracy, but at local body level,
for example, we literally can't be bothered. We don't even

(42:06):
turn up. So is the idea still a sound one
even if it doesn't work being judged by a jury
of your peers? I mean, what a wonderfully eighteen hundred
style of thinking. But here in the real world has
got a very stale, arduous sort of vibe about it
these days. I would have thought, why is it important
that twelve people agree on something? Well, it isn't, of
course if they can't, because in some cases you then

(42:26):
make it eleven. Oh it's not twelve, as it's eleven,
and so the rules are malliable. In fact, in some
places in cases it's ten. So let's not get all
rigid because the law's been around for a while. If
the basic premise is just as being seen to be done,
then the doing has to have an element of pace
about it. Not rush, not rubber stamped and open to
skull duggery, but an efficient system seen to be working well. Now,

(42:49):
you can't argue we have that or anywhere close to it.
Lammy of the UK has been bold and good on them.
Let's hope the same boldness resides somewhere here as well.
Ask like GP issues in New Zealand could be improved
and they just worked full time. In Wanaka, they all
work part time and often take huge holiday breaks. Very
frustrating and very difficult to get an appointment, Mike. The
reason the GP clinics don't sell easily is because their

(43:12):
immuneration system's broken. They don't make enough money to justify
the cost and the hard work. Instead of a lolly scramble,
Asia and Labor should be thinking about fixing the system
for all. Might be a bit hard for Asia and
Barbara though. The interesting thing about you, excuse me yesterday's announcement,
I'm not sure you can really argue against it. I mean,
it's pocket change. I think they priced it out at
thirty million or something. I mean, think about the number

(43:34):
of people who want to buy a practice, and who
want to buy a practice and would then get a cheap,
slash free, interest free loan from the government of the day.
I mean it literally a handful of people. I mean
they've limited to fifty practices. I doubt they'll peek out
at fifty practices. So it was one of those promises
you can't really criticize, but then you can't get excited

(43:56):
about it either because I'm not sure it's going to
make one jot of difference either way. It was one
of those is that the best you can do is
that as good as you got, is that your best shot?
Why are you telling us this at the end of
your conference. I would have thought they would have gone
for some sort of blockbuster, But then again, whatever Prime
Minister's with us. In the next half hour of the program,
then we'll do the Sport. Jason Py and Andrews Sabil
and the commentary box for you are up.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
To eight.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
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Speaker 2 (44:30):
Minutes away from Sport. After the right of course the
Prime Minister room the studio with us being a Monday
morning good morning to you. What you might goeld be
with you before the news I float while I didn't
float the idea lamming in the UK has floated the
idea that we get rid of jewelry trials except for
the odd one like manslaughter and murder and stuff in
public interest? Is that something? I mean, this is out
of the blue, because you won't have given this any

(44:52):
thought or have you?

Speaker 6 (44:53):
No, nothing, We've had a discussion about whatsoever. I mean,
our focus has been, as you know, just making sure
we get our sentencing look tougher. Yes, we've got a
lot more prisoners in there and present at the moment,
but actually no, we want to toughen up sensing laws
and that stop the judges from doing the discounts add
in the three strikes, harassment, stalking, you know, all those
kinds of things.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Okay, Now, TV three tried the very best last week
to explain to us that the British in particular, but
our trading partners more generally, are allegedly upset at our
climate stance at the moment and they're making this known.
Is that true or.

Speaker 6 (45:26):
Not never heard about it, totally disagree. Has never come
up in any of my conversations whatsoever. And my message
is pretty simple. You know, as I said some of
folk during the cop period, until any other country. You know,
we're in the top ten countries in the world in
terms of renewable energy. Most people are still coal power
advice power stations. Until everyone gets that position, then I

(45:47):
won't really listen too much to others.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
And the other thing that came out, I don't ever
got much coverage, but our twenty six to thirty target
we've met because trees suck up more co two than
we previously thought, so it's all worked out well. The
reason I asked about that the trade thing and how
inexpricably linked they are to trade deals. If you followed
that UK budget last week, they've increased the amount of
drilling slash exploration they have for oil and gas.

Speaker 6 (46:10):
Yeah, it's quite an incredible budget. Wasn't that there was
massive rise and taxes, But yes, I mean, I think
you know the reality is, you know, we the world
has changed. You need to make sure that your country
is resilient and if that means in our case, we
want to open up oil and gas. We want to
open up mining. We think that's important the places we
can get high paying jobs in regional New Zealand. That's

(46:31):
great win on Earth. Where we let New Zealanders go
off overseas to Australia in particularly do mine work or
to work on oil and gas, and yet we deny
them the opportunity to be able to do so here.
So we should be looking at all our natural resources
and making sure we're doing the very best with them
as we can.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
The CRL. Will you be alove when it opens?

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Damn well, hope so, because it's well, I mean, how.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Long can it be? Well, you say next year, But
do you say that hand on hard or do you
just expect it to be open? Well, so that's not
the same thing. We've been expecting it to be open
for a long time.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
I understand they about I understood that they are going
it's definitely up me next year. That's got to be
non negotiable, because what.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Are you going to do if it's not, Because I
wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Hopefully someone's listening right now.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
I said, they've already said it'll be in twenty six
and then they said it's now late twenty six. Late
twenty six to me means December.

Speaker 6 (47:16):
Well, we've got a new Zealand International Convention said that's
kicking off at the beginning of the year. That's going
to be bloom and brilliant, and we need the CURL
to be the accompaniment peace to that. And the sooner
they get it done and open, the better.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Okay, the banks last week, the Reserve Bank their final cuts,
seemingly their final cut. Where are you at? Because I
still can't work out whether the banks are screwing it's
the Monetary Policy Committee made some interesting comments about margins
and they said margins for the retails are back up.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
Yeah, So what I want us to watch that really closely.
I made that point a couple of weeks ago on
the banks to say, we expect them to be passing
through those ocr cuts so we get the transmission out
into retail rates as quickly as possible. That should be
instantaneous and not.

Speaker 12 (47:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
The second thing is I say, though, is that there
are some amazing deals out there at the moment, and
if you're not happy with your bank, actually the public,
the consumer actually should be shopping around and actually looking.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
At what they can But are those deals about cash
backs as opposed to better interest rates.

Speaker 6 (48:12):
But now there's actually variation and interest rates. If you
look at some of the you know the other day
is looking at you know, if you look at the
second you know TSB and those kinds of players.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
You're into some more investment property.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
I read something about that somewhere. Yeah it's too soon, Mike,
but no, I think the point I'm trying to make
is a we're watching it. Nicolair and I have talked
about it, and we are very we're very keen to
make sure those rates get passed on through.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Short of jaw burn. And can you actually do anything
now because you've made the moves you've made, and the
margins are back up, and the argument around the reserve
bank and the money they make you put aside at
retail bank level for a rainy day and all that's
been sorted, and yet the margins are still up.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
So the actual bank there is a bank. Capital rules
are still being worked through. So you know, again, as
you met might remember, Robertson put in some pretty stretchy
sort of capital rules and requirements, possibly over engineered it,
and as a consequence, you know, banks haven't told more
capital and that means high rates than what they should have.
So you know, we actually want to make sure we've
got that setting right on those limits that will come through,

(49:15):
you know, hopefully the next few months. But the rest
of it is actually ye banks should be passing it
through instantaneously. That's what happens in other countries around the world.
In my experience in Australia in the US was it
was immediate. And some of them will say, oh that
we do it in advance of the announcement, but we've
got to watch that closely.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Okay, the Maths amounts. When was the Maths announcement that
you and Erica were at This? Was it Tuesday last week.

Speaker 15 (49:35):
Or it was?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, So just to relitigate this because I was ropable
because this is not about politics. This was about a result.
You've got a result. Maths is tangible. Yeah, we got
a good result.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
We've been working you know, you know my story. I
really am passionate about education. I studied it a lot
before I even came to politics, and Erica and I
made a determination in opposition, if we get the chances,
we're going to go for a big time on education
because it's single biggest thing that gets kids from a
set of circumstances to a better set. And the frustration
here was that, you know, we take over power. We've
got fifty five percent of our kids not at school,

(50:09):
half not where they need to be on reading, going
to high school, eighty percent not where they need to
be on mathematics. So we take the intermediate school kids
because we've put some other programs in place for primary school,
and we basically did these hot house sessions for twelve
weeks and we got these kids moving one to two
and a half years in their maths knowledge with a
twelve week intensive intervention. So we did that trial, and

(50:29):
we now want to roll that out to fifteen thousand
kids across the country. And that was really great news
and I think parents care about that. But instead some
of the media went off about a leadership change that
isn't happening. And secondly, I went and spent the whole
time talking about Section one twenty seven Entreaty Principles. Now
we've passed that law, we're done, we've finished the boards,
we've taken their obligation off them. I get people maybe

(50:50):
unhappy about it. I don't care. We are there to
get our kids to school and to teach them the basics. Well,
but there's a really good example where we've actually got
great results on new entrants doing the final tests. Now,
fantastic improvement. You had eighteen percent improvement and kids at
or above standards on reading in their first year at
primary school and a sixteen percent reduction. Kids need extra help.
That's good because our teachers are freed up to get

(51:13):
on with the program. It's working.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
But having watched the thing live and then watch the
coverage of it, they are two different things. Happened, correct,
and so we didn't get to talk about the math story.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
Did we know?

Speaker 2 (51:25):
We know? We did not. So what is it you
face an election year? Is this deliberate? Do you think
on behalf of some of the media who will become
hell a high water simply not covered values.

Speaker 6 (51:34):
I think some of the media are just so disconnected
from the reality of where kiwis are at. And you know,
when I'm up and down this country, I'm telling your
parents want to talk about how their kids are going,
what's going on education, I want to talk about their
mortgage rates. They want to talk about what we're doing
to make the country better and you actually get. You know,
some media just fixated on a story that actually isn't happening,

(51:54):
not happening and actually more importantly than something that's already
have Alady made a decision on. We've moved on. So
we're not really gating section one twenty seven. We're not
asking boards to be upholding the Treaty of Way Tonguey obligations.
That's not their responsibility. We're done, we finished that, but
we're focusing on doing these practical things to get the
kids better educated.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
The other streen to that story was a couple of
days later, the Principals Federation, I said, seem to suggest
it was a waste of money, It was a bit
of a jack up. And if you ask the kids
the same question every time, of course they're going to
remember it, etc. Is there a mentality within the education
union slash circles that they don't want that they just
can't get their head.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
Well, here's an idea. Rather than sitting on a labor
party stage, why don't you get around the table and
do a twenty four to seven negotiation for your members
who are other teachers who are doing a good job.
You know, I just think they're focused on the wrong things,
and the reality is we need to put some standards
in place. You know, you cannot call yourself a first
world country where an under Chris Sipkins, forty five percent

(52:48):
of our kids go to school regularly in fifty five
percent don't. You can't call yourself a first world country
and set yourself up for a fantastic future. I you
can't get your kids to do maths and reading, and
so that's what we're doing. We're doing the practical things
to make sure we lift the quality big time so
those kids have great opportunities.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
You mentioned the conventions in a moment ago, and I
should have asked this. Then we're are we at with
move on orders? Because one of the things you said
with move on orders is there's a cruise season, the
cruise seasons.

Speaker 6 (53:11):
Here yep, yep. So Goldsmith's got advice coming very very
quickly on that. I mean, the move on orders. We're
very interested in the problem is what do you do
with the people. You can't just move them around and
bounce them around the city. You've actually got to get
a solution in place. That's really that thinking there. Having
said that, Simeon Brown and Wayne Brown actually came together
last week and actually put together quite a good action
plan on what they can do.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
So how close is this? I mean when something going
to be announced and something before before chriss plast is
what we expect.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
Yep, I want to move on orders.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You're back in parliament this week?

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you
on Friday, my friend.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah no? Now look, oh.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Sorry, is this to your last week this week?

Speaker 12 (53:51):
Sorry?

Speaker 6 (53:51):
You gave me to the listeners. I'm sorry, but it
is payback time people, because he gives me grief about
the relative and frequency thinks. We're in earliament. This is
I want you to know. This is the hardest working government,
probably since the eighties, passing the most amount of legisla. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
while you're on holiday, where would you be on a
beach somewhere? Or no, I'm still working.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
We just up the road because I can't afford to travel.
Now here's here's the thing that the gift I've got you?
Are you backing yourself on the gift you've got me?

Speaker 15 (54:17):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Big time? It's the power doctrine. I'm going to hit
you with overwhelming force, my friend.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Is what it is because you better be ready. It's
a gift arrived and it was Sammy's idea to to
Now you're shifting it to Sadduce a brilliant idea, so
you will be I think blow it away. Yeah, I
think you could almost be emotional. Really, I think you
could almost give could any on your last day. So

(54:44):
you're coming.

Speaker 12 (54:46):
You're good.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
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Speaker 2 (54:56):
Be Hi, Mike, can you ask him about the Foreign
Buyers Bill by real Estate that's coming in next year
the legislation passes. There weird story over the weekend if
you saw it about people adding a car and a
painting to the house to bump it up over five
million dollars and stuff. I don't know why we ask
for that sort of trouble, but that law's coming in
next year.

Speaker 12 (55:12):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Is it true that fifty percent of kids are still
not going to school?

Speaker 12 (55:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I don't think it is. They've improved things immeasurably, it's
still nowhere near it needs where it needs to be.
Of course, well done, mister Luxon spoke directly and sensibly. Mike,
listening to lux and just now there's more than frustrating
regarding the state of omedia. Seriously, the government needs to
sell radio in New Zealand and TV and said there
needs to be a clear out of the rot. While
they can't sell our in z because nothing to sell.
It's just a state funded entity and TV in ZID

(55:37):
if they went to sell it, they may sell it.
They may go to the election campaign on assets generally,
but with all due respect to my very good friends
at TV and zaid, it's not it's not really worth
a lot these days, Mike, juries are vital because it
stops the temptation for the government to appoint judges that
will rule in its favor. Mike load of the biggest
problem at the moment is active ast judges. Without jury trials,

(55:58):
there would be no check on that. So that particular idea,
which was Lammy's idea, but I didn't think it was
a bad idea. I didn't go down that well. Night
Away from eight.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
The mic hosking breakfast with the Defender and use togs
dead be.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Mike, you want to try my salmon on a seed
a plank done on my comato. It's top notch. Since
you're splashing out on a new coffee machine. You could
also invest in a comato. While I'm cooking on it,
it's my happy place. Glass of wine, cool jairs playing
on my boombox, and the wonderful smell of grape food
cooked on charcoal. Thank you, hardy comato. I think it

(56:31):
just looks it's like an egg, Webber's egg or whoever
makes them. Let me ask you this question, is having
your own branded or labeled beer at your wedding slightly uncouth?

Speaker 10 (56:48):
I thought you were going to say the most awesome
thing either.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Okay, so you'd be so. Elbow gets married over the weekend.
Story about Elbow getting married over the weekend at the
lodge was interesting because of course we all knew who
was going to get married, and there was quite a
bit of you know, chitter chatter about the place about
where he was going to do it, and how he
was going to do it, and why I was going
to do it, and all that sort of stuff. Anyway,
it turned out to be at the lodge because of security,
and once they started looking into it, they started to
get worried, and it says something about our times. They

(57:12):
started to get worried about protest. It's not crazy, it's
not you know, they weren't going to up in the thing,
but protesters who are going to start yelling and chanting
and trying to disrupt it and get on social media
and all that sort of stuff. So they said we
need to keep it top secret. Apparently those who went,
there's only forty people. Those who went new. A lot
of people who didn't go new but they were sworn
to secrecy, including the media, and the media kept it

(57:35):
quiet to their credit. And so he got married over
the weekend at the lodge and with forty bit. But
they had their own branded paal Ale And if you haven't.

Speaker 10 (57:46):
Seen it, ac, you've lost me.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
There it's a can of and it's not just like
a just paal Ale that we had. There was a
photo of them on the can. Now I get the thing.
You go, oh yeah, I was there. Look here's my
can of Jody and Elbow payal Ale. I get that bet.
But as am I just being a snob again, there's
just something slightly down market about producing your own beer

(58:13):
can not even a nice spot.

Speaker 10 (58:14):
My brother used to have one of the Canterbury Draft
ones with the ran Fully shield on it and that's
not a wedding.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
That's the it's kind of fully shield. That's like a
proper thing. It's just like a wedding. It's just anyway,
how much do your paper can if you're getting your
own beer printed? I mean anyway, I'm sure Steve has
got the answer to all of those questions after eight thirty,
but before we get to him, we need to get
to the lads in the commentary box Jason Pine and
Andrew sevil up but moments away.

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Jets spoiled the party, but just the third time often
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Speaker 2 (59:22):
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Speaker 7 (59:25):
The Desert for the first time since twenty twenty.

Speaker 12 (59:29):
The championship goes to abitt Abbey thanks for Stafford is
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Speaker 2 (59:35):
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Speaker 1 (59:37):
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Andrews hertles with us along with Joseu Pine. Am Andrew,
good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (59:57):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
What was the story in the Excuse me, Jason, I've
got a penetrating question for you in just a couple
of moments. But I was just concerned for you, Andrew.
I believe it was Friday night on the news bulletin
and you were out in the humid weather interviewing somebody.
Who was that? Was that a footballer?

Speaker 12 (01:00:17):
That was that was a yeah? Yeah, yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Did you make it out of the park alive? You
looked like you were literally about to keel over. You
were red in the face. You look you look to
be huffing and puffing and questions.

Speaker 12 (01:00:36):
Jeez, it was very warm. It was very warm. I
probably needed a water. Yeah, that knew that new hundred
inch TV yours obviously shows every little It must be
a brilliant picture that you're picking up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Well, I just thought, why were you wearing a long
sleeve shirt with long pants and so red in the face.

Speaker 12 (01:00:53):
It was just like, mate, I wouldn't turn up in shorts.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I'm working Mike Noka, Well, did did you not have
it like a cool like a cool suit in the
f one or something like that?

Speaker 12 (01:01:07):
No, no, no, If.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I was, I couldn't. If I was the football player,
Well was it the Auckland f C people? I can't
remember the story now. Yeah, so if I was, if
I was the Oakland f C player, I couldn't concentrate
on the answer because I'd be looking at.

Speaker 12 (01:01:23):
Look, maybe the TV is just maybe the colours too
vibrant on your TV, Francis to freeze the guy's interviewing.
He's a reading from christ you. Maybe both of us
were looking a little party.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, you didn't want to edit it out. I mean,
it was just it was concerned for the audience, probably
the phone lines at TV and Zebra lighting. I wanted
the guy died.

Speaker 12 (01:01:42):
I wanted to show you I singing of you at
the time. I wanted to show you that I'm out
and about man of the people.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Yeah, fair cool, fair cool. Now, Jason, your question is
I know we got your commentary there for the Phoenix
and they won, and good on them. But I happened
to be watching the Auckland game yesterday while I was
waiting for the supercars to start, and then between the
rain fade on sky, I'm watching the monsoon open up
and the field become a pool and I'm seeing no
crowd and I'm seeing a loss. So what's going on there?

Speaker 12 (01:02:12):
Yeah? I mean fastical At the end.

Speaker 11 (01:02:14):
They even stopped for a minute to decide whether they
would carry on. If it had been called off, the
result would have been the same the result at halftime
stands in any game that's called off after halftime. So look, AUKLANDFC,
you've got some little issue starting to build, ever so slightly.
A drawl last week when they probably should have won

(01:02:34):
a game against a bottom play side. Yesterday, Yes, in
the rain, But what it means is they go into
next weekend's derby against the Phoenix off the back of
a couple of substandard results. As far as they're concerned,
I think the Phoenix might sniff a chance. Look that
the rain was, I mean it was absolutely biblical rain,
wasn't it. How the earth they managed to play in

(01:02:57):
it was beyond me. But it looked same for both sides.
Good on Newcastle sets up a good derby next week?

Speaker 12 (01:03:04):
Does so missing their captain, aren't they the missing Sachi
for a start, and be a temptation to bring him
back for the derby, But I don't think they will.
I think he's back the week after something.

Speaker 11 (01:03:13):
Hamstrong you never you never never show with hamstring mouth
watering for the you know, the phoenix sort of down
and out.

Speaker 12 (01:03:19):
They've had a win and up wind and the IFC's lost,
and it'd be great. It's great, great build up to
the derby.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Well, I hope so not as good as the not
as good as the if one though, sad. I mean
the mathematics on that one for next weekend are just
you couldn't write this. It's like you go back to
Hamilton and the stappen. I mean, it's this is as
good as that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:37):
It's it's an the if one. Bosses and and TV
networks all around the world must be licking their chops
because this is just brilliant sitting here right now. Would
you back the staff and ahead of anyone else to
win it all?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Well, it's if it was on him then I'd back
him all the way. But it's not on him. It's
on him plus some other stuff going wrong. And that's
where that's where it becomes crapshootish, because in other words,
Norris needs to cock.

Speaker 12 (01:04:06):
It up and Orlando tank Wilando bottle it. Do you think, well,
and then you'll bottle it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I don't think you'll bottle it. But I wouldn't put
it past McLaren to cock it.

Speaker 12 (01:04:15):
Up now like they did this morning. What on earth
happened this morning with not pitting They did well the.

Speaker 11 (01:04:21):
Most elementary era everybody else during that safety car.

Speaker 12 (01:04:26):
What on earth were they thinking? Did they not come
in as well?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I don't know. It's the same way. One of the
things I've learned about since I've been following if One
is that is the pit stop strategy and Ferrari were
famous for it in the last couple of years. Is
that something that seems obvious isn't. And I can only
put it down to I don't know that they'd see
stuff we don't, or they lose their mind, or they
second guess themselves or something, because the number of cockups

(01:04:50):
you see in the pit stop strategy is astonishing for
people who do nothing but think about pitstop strategies, It's
like it's it's amazing.

Speaker 11 (01:04:58):
So now so so as I under stand up with
the points, So as long as the step and wins yes,
and Norris's fourth yes, then the step and wins the
Driver's Championship. Now, will Pstree and Norris work together next
week as a McLaren team to try and get Norris
as high up as possible?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
You'd have to say so, I mean, if I was
PS three, the chances I mean, once you get past
the first corner and stuff, and you're not going to
crash out and stuff, and it plays out the way
you would think.

Speaker 12 (01:05:25):
It to you, you can go the estre still win it, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Not without a bunch of stuff happening. So people need
to not finish for him to get the elevation right.
It's twelve, it's twelve and sixteen points as the gap away.
Listen brief break more in a moment thirteen past.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
I'm getting a bit of text action Jason on the
business of Ellis Robinson. Is that worth celebrating a man
of wins win? Obviously? And you know in the World Cup,
I guess it's she's on the up and up. When's
the next Olympics?

Speaker 12 (01:06:06):
Do we know Winter Olympics are early next year? Yeah,
in Italy, so you.

Speaker 11 (01:06:11):
Know she's Yeah, she's now the most successful skier from
from a non I think it's a non US or
European country in history. It's an incredible record. She's fashioned
and she's had she's had picks and troughs as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
So yeah, no, good that this is your show regularly
full of those sort of fun facts, Jason.

Speaker 11 (01:06:31):
Are you well, No, I know you're savage full of
these things.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
Look, it's fun, it's full of facts, fun and otherwise.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
So yes, Alice Robinson, you're great and I think I
think I think one I think you might have even
lead with it last night.

Speaker 12 (01:06:46):
Did Yeah, yeah, there was big news she did. She
did very well and she won by a second, which
is a lifetime and that sort of scheme. Just just
back the motor racing mate, Liam Lawson Knights, I think
one ahead of that must be sweet for him to
hit a Sonoda in a in a in a car
that is apparently much much better Yes than the racing balls.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, and everything. Everything I've led over the weekend, learned
over the weekend is that he's he's got a seat,
he's safe, lind lad gets promoted and the Sonoda's out
and Hedges going up to Red Bull.

Speaker 12 (01:07:17):
So I tell you who impressed me over the weekend.
Two And I know he's already won on supercars. But
Ryan Wood jesus a racer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yes he is. You ask Greg Murphy about Ryan Wood
and he'll tell you some good stories. He's a He's
a natural talent, that guy.

Speaker 12 (01:07:30):
I saw a bit of that top ten shootout I
think it was on Saturday, and he threw that car
around Adelaide. It was it was he didn't finish top
but tell you what, he gave it a crack.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Do you have you followed? I should say by the
way that Matt Payne won the race yesterday, which was good,
and Muster did I wonther If you follow the format
of the Supercars at the end of the season where
they went to a semi final and a final.

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
I think they've tried to be a bit like NASCAR,
but it's all got a bit too tricky, hasn't it
little not forget Australians aren't that bright.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
So no, I looked at it. Yes, I couldn't work out.
I mean, they had these little tags next to their
name and were in the semis or the finals and
everyone else sort of didn't matter. And it did matter
if you won a race, but it didn't count.

Speaker 12 (01:08:06):
Would increase attendance and viewership? Probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I wouldn't have thought to keep it simple. I wouldn't
know the cost.

Speaker 11 (01:08:11):
Brock Feeney didn't it. Feeny was what was he? Your
head by twenty three points in it? Hitting into the
final but spun out on what the first one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Well, he didn't spin out, he got he got smacked
into it. It's sort of like you count, you know,
and so the other guy got the penalty. But that's
you know, if you're at the back of the field,
at the back of the field, what do you do
that eye gouge said the South African bloke. What do
you get for one of those? What do you get
for that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (01:08:32):
Quite what? I'd say, eight ten, twelve weeks?

Speaker 15 (01:08:35):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Why do you do that. What happens to you?

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
Do you push? I know, a couple of minutes to go,
you're up seventy odd mil. It's a bit does often
have brain snaps. He pushed his thumb right into the
well players. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's no better one
hundred and forty one tests. He should know better than that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
There's something. There's something psychological there that snaps. Some people know,
by the way, just either of you. The Weienick thing,
this cricket thing. Is this a thing or not? Is
there some sort of scandal going on in New Zealand
cricket as racoup brewing? Is there? What's going on?

Speaker 9 (01:09:09):
What?

Speaker 12 (01:09:09):
It sounds like there's a massive push to move the
CEO on, but he's digging his toes in mic that. Yeah,
there's some there's some real back room fighting going on,
and it's been bubbling away for quite a while. But
I think Jason would agree that this new T twenty
league has sort of brought it all to a hit.

(01:09:29):
It has yet it has.

Speaker 11 (01:09:30):
I think that's there's been major pushback from Scott wining
on that he wants the teams in the Big Bash,
the major associations and the players associations. I understand it
wants the NZ twenty to go ahead again. It's just
like another example of administrators. And I'm not pointing fingers here,
but they don't put the game in the middle of
the conversation. It's more about, you know, own their own

(01:09:53):
personal interest and personality clashes. You know, all sorts of
people are not getting on with one another when they're
there to administer and oversee the game.

Speaker 12 (01:10:02):
Hey, Mike, is this it?

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Mate?

Speaker 12 (01:10:07):
Can I say next year?

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Sorry? You were that's you? Andrew's uh Andrew. Yeah, I've
got a piece of Papi for you somewhere.

Speaker 6 (01:10:15):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 12 (01:10:18):
Look, it's been it's been a it's been another great year.

Speaker 15 (01:10:22):
Mike.

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Speaker 12 (01:10:28):
Oh, the whole I don't know.

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I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:10:30):
I need to check on that. But it's been a
pleasure filling in the couple of gaps between ad breaks.

Speaker 11 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I do have to say as well. Look, I
host a sports show on this on the number one
radio station in New Zealand both days on the weekends.
I commentate football on Sky Sport. But my profile has
never been higher than it has from sharing the sort
of seven past eight to twenty two past eight slot.
I need to change my business cards to commentary box

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contributor rather than the other stuff.

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That's what happens when you That's what happens when you
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I'll take you to the promised Land. Hey. Look, just
Sam mentioned off here that Heather's filling in for the
next couple of weeks and Jason Jason's tone of celebration,
I thought it was quite disrespectful to the little battler,
the little petler from Linwood's out the door and everybody's celebrating.

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But look, I'm looking forward to working with her. That
she's you know, she's bright, humorous, she knows a lot
about sport. Maybe you should listen in the next.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Home I'll look out for some tips. Anyway. Merry Christmas
to you guys, Love you both and we'll see you possibly.
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Melbourne his whole life and who's stuck there? I guess.
But yesterday yet another one of these protests, Flunder's Street

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down to Flagstaff Gardens, Paulin's there and there it's a
Free Australia March. Then everyone goes nuts. Another weekend and
good old glorious Melbourne are interesting in our news on
the housing mark in that part of the world as well,
and of course Elbow's wedding over the weekend. All of
this and more is but moments away with Steve Price
out of Australia. You're a news talk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Be Andre Stella, who is the team principal and the
clarantine principal squad didn't expect that. This is hard to believe.
The only excuses you got is when you're the lead car,
you don't know exactly what the others are going to do.
Is his line. That's him, quote unquote. So they didn't
expect everyone else to pit under an early safety. Now,

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how you come to that conclusion, I've got literally no idea.
They also didn't want to favor one driver over another,
which would have been double stacking, so they left them
out there and that is the story of their race.
So once again the team let the drivers down twenty
three minutes away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
So where Stephen good morning does that leave you and
your ongoing theory that Piastre's being dudded here?

Speaker 15 (01:14:08):
Well, it leads to me next weekend forming a group
called anyone but Norris. I'll give you the website later
and you can all sign up and we can put
as much negative energy as we possibly can against Lando
and his mates.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
What a disgrace that was, I think, short of I mean,
short of people crashing. If everyone finishes roughly, it's Lando's
to win, isn't it? Really?

Speaker 15 (01:14:35):
Sadly? Probably, but you never know with Max and you
never know with Lando. Orlando might just lose his bottle
a little bit now that he's been beaten. I mean,
Piastre had a sensational weekend. We shouldn't forget the fact
he won the.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Sprint races Saturday.

Speaker 15 (01:14:49):
He won he was on pole, he was fastest in qualifying.
Carr was singing and he was back in charge. And
those clowns at McLaren just don't know what they've got
on their hands. I just hope that somebody snaps him
up next year. Who knows what they're actually doing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
I was watching the supercars over the weekend in your
old hometown of Adelaide. Is that typical of whether it
sort of rained and then it was sunny and it
wasn't particularly warm. It kind of as it was weird.
It was almost Melbourne esque.

Speaker 15 (01:15:17):
Yeah, a little bit little bit like Melbourne and it's
not normally like that. That's a sensational event on the
streets to Adelaide. That's where the f ones used to run.
And I actually ate at a restaurant on Corner seven
in Adelaide two weeks ago where you can book a
table and sit on the footpath and watch those things
go past. So you might want to do that next year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yeah, that's fantastic. Now you got blackout problem?

Speaker 12 (01:15:37):
So is this? See?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
I thought you had to deal with gas that you
can't keep just selling all your gas overseas. You've got
to keep some for local supplies. That not solved your
power problems.

Speaker 15 (01:15:47):
Not really. There is a gas reserve policy that the
government's brought in, but the gas exploration in Australia, particularly Victoria,
stopped because the veryous state government said we really don't
really like gas. In Victoria. They've even told you if
you build a new house, you can't connect it up
to natural gas. You've got to go with solar and
you can have renewables and batteries, but you can't have gas.

(01:16:09):
But this is all about really the biggest coal fired
power station in New South Wales. This is Origin Energy
own this thing, Rearing, it's called It was due to
shut down in twenty twenty five. They extended it to
twenty twenty seven, and the energy minister in that state
now says, look, we're in a race to replace that,

(01:16:30):
but we might have to keep it open even longer
than twenty twenty seven. Now Rarring is owned as as
I said, by Origin Energy the other people who want
to keep it going, but they're also got ownership on
the board of Mike cannon Brooks, who is the sky
that owns the one of the f one teams flies
around the world in the private jet and he lectures

(01:16:52):
everyone about how we've got to stop using coal to
generate electricity. So that deal is, it's going to be
released a report today from the Energy market operator saying, look,
we've got to install new equipment to keep the grid stable.
That won't be delivered until twenty twenty eight, so you
can bet that power station to stay open for nextra year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Now, tell me about Olbo's wedding from my reading over
the weekends, very small affair and they were worried about security.
Everyone knew, but everyone kept storm. Was that about right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 15 (01:17:24):
The media apparently were contacted or parts of the media
late last week and we're told listen and the Prime
Minister is going to get married on the weekend. But
we'd rather you didn't report it until we released the
official photographs because there has been serious death threats made
against the Prime minister. There was one example of a
guy online with a rifle. It's expressing the desire to

(01:17:44):
kill the prime minister. So what did they do? Well,
Jody who is was his fiance now his wife. They
decided they would get married at the lodge in camera.
Now the lodge is the Prime Minister's official residence in
the nation's capital. Most normally, if you were someone a
little flashier than Anthony, you would have got married at
Kiribilly House, which is the Sydney residence of which I've

(01:18:08):
been too many times. Beautiful sloping lawns down to the
Opera House on the outer side of the harbor. It's
just a spectacular location. But no, they did it in Canberra.
Everyone's now reading who was on the guest list because
a lot of the Prime minister's non factional mates didn't
get an invite. People like Penny Wong were there obviously,
and people like Richard Mars's deputy PM. But it was

(01:18:30):
a small wedding, eighty people only. And the Prime Minister
is going to honeymoon somewhere in Australia. I don't think
he thinks he can get away with another overseas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
No, he's been overseas a lot. Do you hear much
from her and of her? Is she a personality, a
likable person involved in public life in any great way or.

Speaker 15 (01:18:48):
Not very likable? No, you don't hear a lot about
from her. She has been to some pretty amazing events.
I mean she's been that steak dinner in the White
House where she was grup next to Milania. She went
to the funeral of the Lake Queen Elizabeth. So she's
been at the major events in Anthony ALBANETI. The way

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they got together is quite cute. The Prime Minister was single,
his for a first marriage had broken down. He was
opposition leader and schlepping around the country and not looking
very happy with himself. And he was in an event
in Melbourne and he said, is there are there any
NRL Rugby League fans in the room? Jody stuck her
hand up and said, go the rabbit Os, which is

(01:19:30):
the Prime Mineau's favorite rugby league team. And the rest
is history is and that are romantic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
That's so romantic and you would be as a purveyor
of the finer things in life, Stephen, I asked the
audience earlier on today, Elbow and Jody made their own beer.
They had their own can with a photo of themselves
on the can. Is that uncouth? Or am I being
a snob pathetic?

Speaker 15 (01:19:54):
Why would you do that? Seriously? Why would you drink
beard of wedding? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
That was very cool. By the way, I'm reading also
about the protests in Melbourne, is This is a typical
weekend in Melbourne. Tensions of reignited, rival groups, protests, Melbourne CBD.
Pauline Hansen was there, marching from Florindas to Flagstaff Gardens
put Australia First Rally. So this is just another Saturday
in Melbourne.

Speaker 15 (01:20:15):
Yes, sort of, although there's not been one of these
big rallies since you and I last spoke about the
same thing where you had to pose them groups in
the streets of Melbourne and I sat on a Sunday.
This was not peaceful and paul and Hanson being there
obviously raised the temperature. What it does is it sucks
out a lot of police resources. It costs a huge
amount of money to keep these two groups apart. The

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thing that most people in Melbourne were celebrating on the
weekend was the opening of a new underground train which
goes from somewhere I don't want to go to somewhere
I've never been. But nevertheless that's up and running now
and so we're all happy because we've got a new trade.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Good one, all right, man, go well catch up on Wednesday.
Appreciate it very much. Steve Price out of Australia sixteen
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Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Speaking of weddings, are we going to see Chippy pull
an election year nuptials woman's weekly cover type stunt? That's
not a bad question. Would you get married in election
year with the criticism that you really should be concentrating
on the campaign as opposed to your personal circumstances, or
would you get married an election year knowing that it's
a because I don't put it off in election year?

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Didn't she?

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
I think I'm right in saying that she wasn't going
to get married and then she put it off. I
think that was right. A very good piece of reading
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Labor scandals are about money. It's peace in the Sydney
Morning Herald and they reference Victoria, where Steve has just
been talking to us from Rachel Reeves as a shining
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Britain's workers have been bled to fund the burgeoning welfare state,
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where Reeves Doppelganger down under does herself a similar plight

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Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah, McLaren and straight after the race, after the cock up,
they went to the garage and went something like, hey,
did we cock that up? Yes we did, and how
did we cock that up? Et cetera, et cetera. They
eventually fronted Zach Brown to admit that they didn't have
their best day out.

Speaker 9 (01:25:39):
We made the wrong decision. Feel terrible for Oscar and Lando.

Speaker 21 (01:25:43):
Oscar was absolutely impeccable all weekend, so we let them down.

Speaker 9 (01:25:49):
You know, you win and lose as a team, but
definitely not a great moment.

Speaker 21 (01:25:56):
You know, are our evaluation of if it's safety guard
came out on that lap was clearly incorrect.

Speaker 9 (01:26:03):
So we'll go back study that. Nothing we can do
about it. Now.

Speaker 21 (01:26:08):
We're leading the championship, but Oscar to death send us
some points on the table, so let's just do the
best we can. In Abu Dabi, we were very strong
there last year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
I just don't know when you say we'll go back
and study it, I just don't know what you study.
Because a it's not a culmination of things. It's not
like a whole season's worth of things that are built
up to a crescendo. It's like the car came out,
we're all gonna pit Oh whoops, No, we won't. I
mean like that says something inherently about you. What's also

(01:26:37):
interesting is why don't you have a plan? This is
all they do, right, so they're not running a dairy
or a farm during the weekend. They come together at
the weekend for a bit of motor racing. This is
their life. So in the build up to the weekend,
do they not say something, Well, we've got a limit
on twenty five laps per tire. What happens if we

(01:26:57):
get our safety car early on? Oh sack, good question.
Well I'll tell you. Let's have a plan for that.
They appear to do no chat, no preparation, no nothing,
until something unfolds in the race and then they go,
oh man, so anyway, Land, it.

Speaker 10 (01:27:15):
Was not the plan. Oh, this is pretty early on
for a safety car. There's probably going to be another
safety car down the track.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
No, it wasn't. That's the point, Glen was you don't reckon.
I was a miracle. It was a safety car because
of that track. It's such an open, wide, expansive track. Anyway,
here's the point. Lando on the podium, it's over. Oscar
needs Lando to DNF. Max needs to win plus Lando
to get fourth or worse.

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
Now that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Is not impossible. So she's still alive. It's all to
play for back tomorrow morning from six. There's always.

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