Full Show Podcast: 17 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's Voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real estate differently since
nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
News togs Head.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Be balling and welcome today. More good news on social housing,
new rules on those vapes as of today. New insight
into how we see China as well as the States.
Nico Portius in for a word about retirement, Ian Foster
and for a word about coaching care from Field does
France and Roy Little is in the heat wave in
the UK Lasky Tuesday morning, seven past six. Last week,
when Shawn Johnson was in the studio, we were discussing retirement,

(00:32):
not mine, but that's a growing fascination to me these days.
I can tell you when do you know? I mean,
when do you know? If you're not getting canceled or
run out of town or falling apart, how do you know?
John Key famously had nothing left in the tank. Remember
that Johnson was explaining it was important for him to
go out when he decided, not when he got dropped.
The television stuff he does nowadays was something he was

(00:53):
interested in, but he didn't know how that was going
to unfold. And Johnson at thirty four seemed young enough
to me anyway. So then I look at people. Tom
Brady in his mid forties, One more season, one more
chance at greatness, goes out a hero with another Super
Bowl win. I look at Aaron Rodgers. If you follow
the NFL, he's just signed with the Pittsburgh Steelers this year.
Looks like he's gone a season two long. Looks like
he's looking for work when he should really be looking

(01:15):
for life after football. Maybe the season will make a
fool of meat, but I doubt it. But all of
that pales when it comes to Nico Portius. He's walking
away from his snowsport career at twenty three. He doesn't
want to use the word retirement, but equally he won't
be at the Olympics anymore as our most successfull ever
sport exponent or snow exponent. It's over. He also doesn't
know what he's going to do or what his future

(01:37):
looks like, but he's enjoyed, apparently videos and video production,
so maybe there's a pathway there. How do you decide
that at twenty three? I mean, how do you know
that's right? Who advises you? And how do you know
they're right? Having spent your entire life aiming for the
one big thing sporting excellence? How do you pull that
cord when you have if you want years to go?
Are you one of those people who can walk away

(01:57):
from that level of exhilaration and success and not look bad?
I mean, is that part of the thrill? Not knowing
what's ahead? Will you keep the scrap book of memories?
Will you tell your kids or grandkids about the half
pipe when they ask how come dad can do flips
on skis when they first go to Kadrona as a family?
What a big call? How so much ahead of him?
Or was what he did plenty? Is that a good

(02:19):
way to see life? I mean, I admire him personally
as he reckless could be maybe he's an insightful genius.
Either way, I admire him. At twenty three, I would
have tortured myself and probably still wouldn't have done what
he's done.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Who news of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Vers after seven thirty. Let's start in Canada with the
G seven's being held. Host Mark did some initials sucking
up to you know who?

Speaker 4 (02:41):
The G seven is nothing without us leadership, then so
and your personal leadership leadership of the United States, many
issues geopolitics, an technology, and working hand in hand with
the United States.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Donald who launched his own mobile network this morning, I'll
tell you about that. In the moment he was thinking
of an old maid who should have been there.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I'm going to say he shot at this point because
too much water.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Has gone over the dam. Maybe, but it was a
big mistake. Obama didn't want them, and the.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Head of your country, the crowd ahead of your country,
didn't want them.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
This is a big mistake, as Lady's talking about. Meantime,
in the Middle East, some Iranian shells got through to
Tel Aviv and hyper but not as many as got
through to a run, including the main television stuff. That
was the end of the bulletin. In Britain, a potential

(03:37):
scandal over grooming gang. So the government didn't really want
to know. This is a fascinating story. Really they didn't
want to know. They said it was a local authority thing,
so they did a report. The report out today is different.
So the Tories are worried.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
The survivors need to have someone who is independent that
they can go to and trust.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
It is no use them being forced to speak to
the same authorities who ignored them in the first place.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
In Starma, who's in Canada. He looks bad now, but
he's pretending not to be embarrassed.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
Saving as a vile offense, absolutely vile. And I brought
the first prosecution when I was chief prosecutor really fifteen
years ago now, so I've seen the impact directly on victims.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
He's quite good at that stuff. If you missed at
States of By the way, they got the Nutter of Minnesota.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
When they opened the door, Belter shine the flashlight in
their faces and said there have been a shooting reported
in the house. When Senator Hoffman attempted to push Belter
out and stop him from entering his home, Belter shot
him repeatedly.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
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and creative spellings. By the way, so wte for example,
that counts so yes, who swears the most? It's the Americans.
The Americans are the very sweary people, followed by the Brits,
then Australia. Then this will surprise you Singapore, we come

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and fifth backs, use the world and exclusives in nineteenth boyd,
do I have some good news and it's more than welcome.
We've got some retail sales from China. More on that
for you in just a moment. Twelve past.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
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Speaker 9 (05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
So I told you about SmartLess the other day. So
Trump Organization overnight they've got the mobile phone plan four
hundred and ninety nine dollars phone itself, but they've got
a plan. It's launching this September. It's called Trump Mobile
forty seven dollars and forty five cents per month. Note
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pharmacy benefit. They're going to sell a Tea one smartphone.

(05:37):
It features a gold colored metal case etched with an
American flag. The wireless service is called the forty seven Plan.
I can Countsey he's not thinking about the stuff. Fifteen
past six from Devin Funds Management, Greg Morning, Morning, Mike.
This Abu RB thing I'm assuming is going to be
major for Elban Easy and they're going to have to

(05:59):
look at the Foreign Review Board and all that, aren't
they absolutely, I think there'll be a major herdle. So yeah,
Santos has had this takeover approach and yeah, sort of
in control of critical energy infrastructuring in Australia. So yet
the Foreign Investment Review Board is going to be a
big thing to sort of get past. But anyway, the
she is rallied eleven percent year stay still over a

(06:19):
dollar from the offer price and that reflects that uncertainty.
But yeah, the bid from the abdestan Ebu Debbie National
Oil coming to they's near thirty billion Ossie dollars and yeah,
Sentos is one of the biggest all guest producers in Australia.

Speaker 10 (06:34):
Have been pretty receptive to the approach. The offers come
from a companies that's the twelfth largest in the world
terms of world companies. So the Office of covent around
eight dollars eighty nine ossie per year. That's a twenty
eight percent premium to where centas Sapphos closed on Friday.
It actually follows to previous confidential cash offers at lower

(06:54):
prices live up the game there. Santosi's board, they've been
receptive to the offer. They've granted eventual access to confidential
information due diligence and so on. They tend to recommend
it in the absence of a higher offer and presume
the independent expert deems it to be fair. So yeah,
they've done a number of things to sort of try
and you, I suppose cozy up to the deal. They've

(07:15):
said they'll keep Sentences headquarters in Adelaide, they'll retain its brand,
they'll invest in growth of course. Yeah, really interesting timing,
isn't given all prices have been on a bit of
a tear. But even motivation why it seems to be about
getting into the global Allen g game. Centas has a
goal to reach between twenty and twenty five million tons
a year of output of the stuff by twenty thirty five.
But yeah, the regulators could have a big say here,

(07:36):
so stay tuned to me.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah all right, and what about tour ors some holdings
this year? Popp didn't it?

Speaker 10 (07:40):
Oh I absolutely did as well, So yeah, a big
movie there. So this they've received a fither an eight
million dollar takeover approach and consortium again involving Australia. Actually
a private equity house BGH capitally are members of the
Truche family.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
They know the business pretty well.

Speaker 10 (07:55):
They founded Ozzie Camp, then came be Apollo that actually
merge with THHL back in twenty twenty two, so I
suppose I'm sort of buying it back. So they've got
a nineteen point nine stake amassed offers at two dollars
thirty that's significantly above thhl's closing price on Friday one
dollar forty six. So no surprise is she has sowed
less in terms of sort a way regulatory hurdles there.

(08:18):
She is up fifty eight percent on Monday, quite a
few conditions, including the independent experts of poor TLS board
recommending the offer. But I suppose you could say Tourism
Holdings has been a bit vulnerable. They own the Brits,
Maui and Apolo rental brands. They've got a big camp
van selling business. Obviously at a tough time during COVID,
and then of course this year they've had to deal
of an uncertain outlook in their key US markets that

(08:41):
accounts for a quarter of sales, and given what's going
on with tariffs and the like, that that's been pressurized.
So they had a profit down grade in April. Yeah,
they boom coming out of COVID, but yeah, they did
sell a lot of camp of vans and that sort
of dissipated a bit. I suppose it's only a certain
type of tourist that wants to buy camp a van
and also rent them, and so yes, it doesn't quite

(09:02):
get square with the boom and tourism that we're seeing.
So this years they were down twenty five percent year
to day, even if you say this movie is still
just over half of their most recent peak in twenty
twenty three. But I suppose Mike were potentially looking at
you another name that will leave the z EGX perhaps
also highlights. You know that the analysted space can see
value inlisted companies that have great businesses but for whatever reason,

(09:25):
are unloved by investors. So yeah, are we going to
see more? I can think of if you others at
Spring to mind, you you've got sky City that's training
in a discount to it's the tangible wear sets locks
of K and D in Ryman. But yeah, for now,
all about tourism holdings and the investors receptive to that offer.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Give me a quickie on China. The aforementioned are Bay back.
Is this retail good news?

Speaker 10 (09:45):
Yeah, a better showing than we thoughts A retail sales
up six point four percent last month, fastest pace since
December twenty twenty three, smashed or estimates industry output that
was low. But yeah, overall, you know, China sort of
hang together pretty well. Of course, the government has focused
on getting the consumption side going, and they've had sub
season like peers to be working. My you look at

(10:05):
how sold electronics they sort fifty three percent of mobile
phones are at thirty three percent. Look, there has been
I suppose a few questions about where this will just
be temporary boost. I mean there was the Labor Day holiday,
there was annual shopping festival and the light that expended.
These are French realistics that's helping the tourism side. So
but yeah, look it's a positive and yeah, maybe it'll

(10:25):
give Beaiging a bit more confidences they negotiate this sort
of trade situation and they might have been sort of
hold off before rushing out to engage in additional stimulus.
So yeah, I think it's quite encouraging.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Good numbers.

Speaker 10 (10:36):
Please, Hey, so the US markets are back. There's obviously
hopes that this the geopolitics will be sort of contained
in terms of between Israel and around so down up
three and twenty six points four to two five two
four s and P five hundred one percent sixty thirty six,
Nare's deck at one and a half percent foots one hundred,
up point three percent green in Asia as well, with

(10:57):
the Nike at one point three percent asex two hundred
that was actually in the X fifty. We had a
great day as well, up one point one percent twelve
six ninety Oil down forty dollars on just a flight
back away from safe havens through three thousand, three ninety
two announce all down a dollar thirty seventy one spot
sixty six a boll currencies. We're up against most of
the major's up point nine percent against the US sixty

(11:18):
point seven ninety two point nine aunts Australian dollar, British
pound forty four point seven, Japanese yen eighty seven point
seven plus one point one percent high.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
You have a great day, mate, Grig Greg Smith out
of Devin Funds Management. Oh, we're talking about stuff being bought.
Freedom furniture is being bought by a company called Amat
and so Amart is back by Quadrant private equity. This
is out of Australia. They intend to grow Freeom furniture
footprint from sixty stores this is in Australasia to somewhere
between eighty and one hundred. Currently there are thirteen in

(11:48):
this country, so you might notice a difference. Then again,
you might not. Six twenty one your news talk.

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Speaker 9 (14:02):
Up to in the.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Smoke Free twenty twenty five was the big I'm old
enough to remember Helen Clark who thought it was a thing,
and we talked about it the other day. It's a
funny old thing. It was one of those things when
she announced that she was vehemently anti smoking, and she
used to when you did interviews whe her, she used
to have her staff wring you beforehand, saying have there
been any smokers in the studio or in the building,

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because back in the late nineties a lot of people smoked,
especially in radio, and so the studios were full of smoke,
and she would go, has anybody been around the place
with smoke? And if she wouldn't come in to do
the interview by phone anyway, all these years later, which
still changing the rules on vaping, and some more rules
come in or get changed today, and I don't think
we're going to make me smoke free by twenty twenty five,

(14:50):
but we'll talk about it with the Associate Health Minister,
Casey Costello.

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Speaker 3 (15:07):
I'm fascinated and is it wider than Spain? So the
Live on Monday yesterday they went on strike and they
were not strick because they looked around the room and
there's aright, too many people here. This is ridiculous. This
is over tourism. So they went on strike. So we'll
talk to Catherine about that. Short we meant to. I'm
back here. The Battle of a smoke free in our
Approach to vaping has another chapter ated to it. Today
new rules apply all disposable vapes of band. Advertising rules

(15:28):
are being tight in the Associate Health Minister Casey Costello
is with this's Casey morning to you.

Speaker 9 (15:33):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
How much of this whole thing is being driven by
hard data and you know it will eventually work versus
a sort of a suck and sea and let's give
it a go.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
The hard data really is the fact that we have
to acknowledge the contribution vaping heads made to people stopping smoking.
So we saw two hundred and thirty thousand people quit
smoking from twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, massive decline,
more than we've seen in the whole period we started
the smoke Free campaign, So we know vaping needs to
occur what we don't have in place and didn't have

(16:07):
in place with regulations to control vapes, and that was
the part that has been this, you know, on the
fly policy development. What we now know is that there
is an attractiveness to vaping and that's why the use
targeted has been targeted, and that's why we're targeting the
display component to ensure that we're not enticing. And you've

(16:28):
seen them, I've seen them, the attractiveness of these vaping stores.
They look like a smiggle shop, you.

Speaker 11 (16:34):
Know that sort of stuff.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Is this material? So is what's happening today a game
change and all material in the battle?

Speaker 9 (16:43):
It is a step forward, and that's the part that
we have to you know, we we have to keep
moving forward. We've got another advisory group about what's the
next state that we need to move to. But this
is stepping in the right direction and listening to those
that are concerned usay thing. We increased penalties with increased enforcement,

(17:04):
we're now attacking the displays. And this legislation was passed
last year. We've just given a six months lead in
time to get off the ground.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I was reading some numbers the other day. There needs
to be to be truly smoke free, which I never
thought we were going to get there anyway. But be
that as it may, it needs another eighty thousand people
to quit that I don't think they're going to. We're
about where we're at, aren't we. I mean, we've done
pretty well.

Speaker 9 (17:23):
I think we will still see further declines. I think
we're looking really good. And if you think of that,
you know, three years we had two hundred and thirty
thousand people quit smoking, So you know that's that eighty
thousand the year is feasible. It's possible. And what we
don't know is that we've got the figures from November

(17:44):
from June twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. We
won't know those results to all about November this year
once the survey data comes out. What is encouraging though,
is that from the ASH year ten Health Survey data,
which has been ongoing for a number of years, they
have seen to the said year in a row, use
of vaping numbers decline, and that is the encouraging part.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Were you never attempted to go to the Australian script route, No, we.

Speaker 9 (18:11):
Still we were very keen to maintain availability for those
that have quit smoking. And that's the trouble is that
we're dealing with those demographics that are harder to reach.
The PACIFICA and Marti community still remain to be the
highest smoking numbers, and reducing availability to those that aren't
regularly engaged with the health system was going to be

(18:32):
a real problematic to terrance to accessing the quit smoking
tools that I think they need.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Those shops, do you reckon? They're laundering money? There's so
many of them, and you think, how is it possible
with a reducing customer base. There's so many shops opening
up with so much the fit out on some of
those shops. Case, you've got to wonder where the doos
coming from, don't you.

Speaker 9 (18:54):
Well, given my work on organized crime, I'd be really
concerned if that was the case.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
But I think a new want to part was one
of those shops and thought old on there. That doesn't
match the customer base.

Speaker 9 (19:06):
And the other thing is that you've got to look
at their legitimate businesses. So they are being audered, We
have increased enforcement, they are being ordered, they are paying taxes,
all of those sort of things. We have to monitor
the works that they're doing but they have contributed to
reducing smoking. And I'm not saying every vaping.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
Star is.

Speaker 9 (19:27):
The best in the world, but they have contributed to
the position where and now, so we need to work together.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Good stuff, Appreciate your time as always, Casey Costello, the
Associate Health Minister. We're off to the I've got some
very good news on houses. Well, I've got some reasonably
good news on housing. Don't want to ever sell that
when I get there and you going, oh, it's not
that good. It's reasonably good news on housing before seven o'clock.
But Catherine s next nineteen.

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Oh, I'm fine, Thank you night.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
How much does it play? Macrons? There? I mean, how
much does it play in this G seven. Is this
going to be a body air feest or is something
substained going to come out of this? Given what they've
got on their plate, which is quite a lot.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
What they're hoping might is nothing comes out of this.
Remember twenty eighteen G seven, the last time Donald Trump
was at a G seven meeting, also held in Canada,
he left early after falling out with a photo. That photo,
so they're hoping that will not happen again. The message

(21:43):
they want to get across you, and we're already seeing
those informal talks taking place, is please Trump dial it
down on the tariffs. You have a fair predictable open
trade arrangement with everyone, you know, don't carry on with
this threat of tariff. Of course, if these tariffs come in, Mike,
you're talking about July ninth, fifty percent tariffs for the Europeans.

(22:06):
So essentially I think it is don't rock the boat,
don't upset him, and there's not going to be this
big single statement at the end of the dew seventh summit.
What they're hoping is there were just individual ones to
do with individual meetings such as trade, and then there'll
be the economy, and then there will be environment.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
And then we come to the parisee Show, which is
the major ratio globally, and you've got this here India thing,
and I'm assuming there's a sort of there's some serious
concern about what's happened here and how this is going
to unfold, and sort of it's killed the buzz not
to put two fine a point on it.

Speaker 6 (22:41):
Well, you're quite right. This is the Parishow that's the
aerospace and defense industry showcase, rarely happens every two years,
and Boeing has really the crisis at Boeing has cast
the shadow over it. So first off, you've got that
Air India, the seven eight seven Dreamliner which crash. Of
course we still don't know what caused that crash, but

(23:01):
of course this came afterward. Also had these the two
crashes involving the seven three seven Max And of course
don't forget that twenty twenty four Alaskan Airlines plane where
the door panel flew off. So still the question marks
safety and security versus profitability. And then of course, at
the last minute, the CEO of Boeing decided to not

(23:24):
come to the Paris Air Show so that's brought it
back and to focus. The other thing, of course, Mike
is again back to tariff's. You've also got this economic slowdown,
and you've got the aviation and aerospace industries which have
really got globalized supply chains, so they're worried about tariffs
because that means that it's just going to weigh down

(23:44):
the industry and make it even more difficult. And we've
already had companies like Airbus saying that they're having trouble
getting fuel efficient engines and even toilets for some of
their planes simply because of delays, and they're still getting
over The delays.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
From COVID were so interesting. I've become fascinated with this
so called over tourism. And there's no question of this
iber tourism. There are parts of the world that look
ridiculously I mean, who wants to go to Greece and
forty degrees and sweat it out with about nine million
other people? But the Spanish seem to have taken to
this with alacrity in their water pistols. But do you
do you see it all over Europe or is it specific?

Speaker 6 (24:21):
You see it in the big place? You see it
in Venice. You see it in Athens, you really do
see it in Paris. Paris is really suffering. I'm not
sure if that's the right word.

Speaker 10 (24:32):
Year.

Speaker 6 (24:33):
Everyone who saw Paris Olympics on TV. Since we've now
decided this year is the time to come to Paris.
So you've got over tourism here. It's just your locals
say that it drives up housing costs. It this place
is locals that you've got water stress, you've got housing stress,
you've got public transport stress. And it's not that they
don't want the tourist, Mike. What they're saying is you've

(24:53):
got to have a sustainable tourism practice in place, and
you've got to listen to the local community or you
will get places. You get what were once vibrant neighborhoods
will just close down because there's tourism apartments. Even though
they're heavily regulated now they just do away with the buzz.
So yeah, we also saw today the Love closed down

(25:16):
because the workers said.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Look on So when you say the Loove closed down,
So I was standing there looking at the paintings, and
the staff just suddenly decided that there were too many
people there. So they're on strike. Is that how that works?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Pretty much how it went.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean the Louver has been saying for ages
that the building just cannot cope. And it used to
have a daily quote of about forty five thousand entrants.
Now they've reduced that to thirty thousand, but it's still
too much. You just really it's hot. We all love
the Louver, but it's not built as an art gallery.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
It was a palace.

Speaker 6 (25:49):
It's not meant to have thirty thousand people wandering their
twenty thousand of them just going to look at the
Monna Lisa. So they say it's not good for the building.
It's difficult to work there. And you know that famous
pyramid that they've got which they've put into the courtyard there,
which you either loved it or you hated it. Well,
if you're underneath that, mike, if you're underneath that and
you've got a glass pyramid on top of you, it

(26:11):
is really hot. There's not enough aircn and they said, look,
you know, get on top of this. You've found enough
money to rebuild. On to day trying to do something
about the loop.

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of that. A lot of Scotland's miserable, isn't It just
looks miserable anyway? It's got vibes of another series, hasn't
It could go forever? Was my summation at the end
of it. It's established enough characters and giving you enough
leads to think that maybe there's there's more where that
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Speaker 3 (27:21):
Houting news. Do I see you hit of confidence here?
I might latest QB Price Index nationwide values up zero
point one percent on the month. National average nine thirteen thousand,
which is one point one percent lower than last year
this time and fourteen percent lower than peak. Have a
look around the place. Fungar eight up for the month
three point two percent, Northern booming two point two percent
for the month, Hastings Nelson up one point one percent,

(27:44):
Christ which, of course continues it's upward trajectory to the
moon one point three percent, Hamilton Towering also up. Auckland
down a smidge, Wellington down one point seven, Palmerston down
zero point nine, Donners down zero point eight. So average prices,
you want a few average prices just for funzies or
than one point two four mil by A twenty eight
hundred and eighty six thousand, New Plumbuth seven twenty three,

(28:05):
well Inton eate twenty nine, Nelsonato two, Marlborough seven hundred,
West Coast four thirty three, Come on by two Dunedin
six forty one point eighty one in Queenstown in Bicargo
five hundred and seven. Rent. I've got more good news.
I feel I need more good news. Rents are predicted
to remain subdued. Until well into next year. This from

(28:26):
real estate this morning, on average, you were fourteen. If
you're renting, you are fourteen on average fourteen hundred dollars
a year better off than you were this time last year.
I mean, you can't argue with those numbers. Average number
for a rent in this country six thirty three, which
is down twenty seven dollars a week, which is the
lowest point since December of twenty twenty three. So I mean,

(28:47):
if the government's done anything at ours and they've sorted
out that rental, it's gone backwards now. So yes, we'll
go to the Middle East. I mean, how many days
you want to go to the Middle East. I mean,
I don't want to underplay the seriousness of what's going
on here, but this as regional. They might be rewriting
the Middle East, and the Saudis and the Israelis may
get together if the run doesn't have enough missiles to

(29:08):
defend themselves after a few weeks. I don't know, but
this strikes me as more regional than it does global
at the moment. God some good news on housing that
I need to talk to you about. Nico Portiers. He's
quitting after I was going to say after twenty three years. No,
at the age of twenty three years, it's quit.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
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Speaker 3 (29:33):
Dead Beast seven. So the Israeli run conflict enters a
fourth day. Death wise so far over two hundred and
Iran nineteen in Israel. The features editor at Jewish News
Syndicate and former editor in chief at Jerusalem Post, Steve
Linda's with a Steve Morning.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
To you, Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
What's your sense of where this goes over the coming weeks?
Do we have any idea or does it just carry on?

Speaker 13 (29:55):
Well, we've definitely witnessed an escalation since the war be
on Friday, so this is the fourth day. We've just
had a press conference with Prime Minister Benjamin Atan Yahoo
in Israel, and he seems to think that Israel's on
the road to victory and that it shouldn't take much longer,

(30:16):
although he declined to say whether this would be days
or weeks. But we are seeing Iranian ballistic missile attacks
pretty much every day, every night, which sends, you know,
lots of Israelis into bomb shelters, had at least twenty
four people killed since the war began in Israel.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
When Victor, when he uses the word victory, what does
victory look like?

Speaker 13 (30:41):
Well, for him, I think victory looks like the end
of Iran's nuclear capabilities. On a visit to Iran to
an Israeli air base today, he said that victory is
the end of Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities. So

(31:02):
he said that Israel's on the path to achieving these
two goals now that the air space two Tehran is open.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
What's your sense of the Steve, Are we rewriting the
Middle East here or are we simply in a skirmish
that will curtail nuclear ambitions.

Speaker 13 (31:20):
Well, from Nataniao's point of view, he's clearly trying to
change the face of the Middle East and realigning forces
for and against Iran. But it remains to be seen.
I think from the Americans point of view, especially Donald Trump,
they would like to get Iran back to the negotiating
table to strike some kind of a deal diplomatically. So

(31:43):
I think they're using this war between Israel and Iran
in a way to get Iran to come back into
the fold.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Any great expectation that anything tangible or material comes out
of the jew Seven this week, Well, I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
You, I'm a journalist, so I don't really know.

Speaker 13 (32:02):
We'll have to wait and see, but I think it's
a very interesting situation at the moment, and the war
certainly has made things very sensitive. So we'll see, if
you know, the nations of the world decide to take
a strong stand, certainly with Britain and France supporting Israel

(32:24):
as well. At this time, I think, you know, Israel
has a few days to try to end this and
then it may alienate the world again if it goes
too far.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
They appreciate your time very much. We'll stant to touch
Steve Linda, who's the feature editor at the Jewish new
Syndicate former editor in chief at the Jerusalem Post. Ten
minutes past seven pasco back time. Morgan uses the governmentor
p IS to be able to make major and roads
into emergency housing, so this was a priority one policy
for them. Of course, nearly one thousand families, that's more
than twenty one hundred kids out of emergency housing. We

(32:56):
only have five hundred and nineteen children left in emergency
housing now, compared with more than thirty three hundred. In
April of last year, the Housing Minister Chris Bishops back
with this very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (33:05):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
So just for numbers, thirty seven percent into social housing,
twenty nine transitional nineteen for private fourteen didn't need any
help at all. What's the magic that the previous government
had thousands queuing up and it was a disaster in
motels and places like Rotorua. A year and a half on,
we're well on our way to solving it.

Speaker 14 (33:25):
Yes, I mean it's great news and we're really proud
of it. There's a few things going on. I mean
the first is that we adopted a policy very quickly
upon coming to government which said if you're on the
social housing weightlist and you've been in emergency housing for
twelve weeks or longer and you've got kids, you go
straight to the top of the weitlist, which means that
coying or aura in the community housing sector can take
you out of that motel and you get the first

(33:46):
preference essentially to get into a social house. That's made
an enormous difference, and we just took a simple view
that if you've been in a stuck in emergency housing
in a motel, these grotty little motel rooms around the country.
And you've got to remember three years ago under Lay,
at one point we had over four thousand families living
permanently basically in these motels.

Speaker 11 (34:04):
We just took the view that you.

Speaker 14 (34:05):
Were absolutely priority number one. No one wants children growing
up in these motel rooms. I mean I've visited some
of them in my lecturate and other MPs that have
done the same thing. I mean you sometimes had, you know,
a mum and three kids, two kids living in a
one bedroom studio. You know, no, no, no, no place
to bring up a child. You know, every I must
and would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
So I take that view, and why couldn't I mean,
I don't want to turn this into a political thing,
but why it's just a view. You're talking You did
something about. Why couldn't labor see the same thing and
do something about it?

Speaker 13 (34:34):
Then?

Speaker 14 (34:35):
Well, I do find it baffling, to be honest, because
you know, I just take this view that no one
wants kids growing up in motel rooms, and you've got
to do whatever it takes and spin whatever it takes
to do that. So we adopted that policy. We've also
made emergency housing, we've reset it back to how it
originally started. You've got to remember when Paul have been
introduced it all those years ago, back in twenty sixteen.
It was meant to be a last resort, you know,
three or four days to tide someone over or family

(34:57):
over while they got their back on their feet and
got some support around them under labor. Unfortunately, and again
it's been too political about it, they just handed out
these emergency housing vouchers like confetti, and it became extremely easy.
It became a permanent, institutionalized part of the MSD social
support system, which it was never intended to do. So
we've reset that as well. So we've made it easier

(35:19):
to get out of emergency housing, and we've made sure
emergency housing itself goes back to what it was originally
intended for.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Good. So are you at the crunchy end of this now?
Have you got the low hanging fruit, so to speak,
and it gets difficult or is this going to be
a solved problem.

Speaker 14 (35:34):
That's what the officials tell us is that none of
these cases are easy. But in terms of people who
are clearly in need, who we can move into a house,
and we're also wrapping a bot of support around them
because it's all very well to move into a house,
but you need help with you know, how to pay
the rent, to look after the place. So we're wrapping
support around people as well. There's about five hundred families
left in an emergency around the country. The road of

(35:56):
story is a really success through by the way, we're
closing the motels that they've been used a rod aura
as well. So it's about five hundred families left.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
We've got some.

Speaker 14 (36:05):
Increased intervention support available for them. Some of those people
where most families are, have pretty challenging backgrounds and pretty
challenging circumstances, but we're doing what we can and what
it takes to try and get them out as well.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Okay, fifteen seconds for all the Texters. They're all in
their cars and they're all on the streets and this
is a scam.

Speaker 14 (36:26):
It's completely incorrect. That's the facts show that these people
are moving into social houses, transitional housing and private rentals
as well. That's what the fact show. And I'm really
proud of our record.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Good only appreciate it. Chris Bishop, the Housing Minister. I
got to get them back because I've been fascinated with
the christ Church thing, so intensification. Christ Church had a
battle with them for the last several years. They lost
that battle. They had a plan. Bishop looked at it
and said, you're not doing it. So at some point
I want to talk to them about that.

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Speaker 3 (36:59):
News Nico Porti is moving on at the age of
twenty three. Ian Foster's back with us after eight o'clock
this morning, as well as seventeen past seven. Got some
new research from the Asia New Zealand Foundation. More of
us are seeing China as the threat. Last year it's
twenty eight percent of us. This year it's forty. Here's
the flip side. China's second only. We think to Japan
as a place we need to invest more effort into.
So director of Victoria University's China Research Center, Jason Young's

(37:21):
with us, Jason Morning, Good morning. Perception always interests me.
Could it be something as simple as the Chinese fleet
of cruises coming into the Tasman Sea and US going, oh, yeah,
they look a bit dangerous, and all of a sudden
perception changes.

Speaker 9 (37:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:35):
I think that's pretty much on the money. So the
mini poll, which is the sort of big jump in
threat perceptions towards China happened in March, just after the
task force was in the Tasman Fleet. And I think,
you know, for New Zealanders that have seen China grow,
seen it become a very powerful country, Senate's military grow,
but its military has always been very far away. Coming

(37:55):
into the Tasman Sea really changes, I think helps you.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
So really nothing's actually changed apart from a headline. And
suddenly the same with America, isn't it. I mean, this
is Trump, isn't it. We think differently of America now
solely because of Trump, don't we.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
Well, if you look back to the pole that was done,
the actual survey which was done in November, there was
actually an improvement in perceptions towards China. So the long
term trend was actually looking pretty good for China. There's
still high roughly third one third, one third. Threat perceptions
were up and friendlyiness perceptions were up and then a
third of people didn't know. But it was really that

(38:29):
much poll that jumped up. And yeah, very similar for Trump.
I think it's no secret that when there's a Trump administration.
New Zealanders are more worried about the United States as.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Far as US dealing or investing with China. Are we
walking in our own minds the same type rope of
government walks, and that is that you know, they may
have a view of the world that we don't align
ourselves with. Bus there are a very big economy and
we want to slice of that action, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Yeah, I mean it's a very complicated relationship in the
sense that New Zealanders on all of the surveys have
very low trust that China will do the right thing
in world affairs. It's down to about forteen percent of
people think that that will and there's also an aversion
to the authoritarian political system in China. But at the
same time, it's seen is very very important because it's
the largest parent Asia, half of the GDP of Asia,

(39:19):
and it's an important trade partner which is important to
New Zealand interests. And I think that's just the reality
of the situation.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Jason, nice to talk to you. Jasp Young, who's director
of Victoria University's New Zealand China Research Center, A very
good bit of workout from the Lowe Institute in Australia
about their view of us in Luxon in particular, and
a fascinating I thought anyway inside of the second part
of this COVID inquiry. We'll get to all of that
in the next half hour along with Nico Portius, but

(39:45):
we'll need to get back to the economy in a moment.
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I see similarities between Nico Porteus's decision and that of
Schinnel Herris de Beta to walk away. It's not a
bad point, John, anyway. Nico's were a shortly right, no
particular thrill. I can tell you that in no particular

(41:04):
thrill and being right about the door times. But I
am just not sure how much more evidence the Reserve
Bank needs to start realizing they have misread the economy.
So yesterday we talked about manufacturing. Right, the index is
going backwards. It's shrinking. It was growing. It was growing
for several months in a row, not spectacularly, but at
least it was on the right side of the ledger.
Its friend. The services sector was not faring so well.

(41:26):
Services is a massive chunk of our economy. The services
number was out late yesterday. It's down down another four
points to forty four. Fifty is neutral, fifty one is growing.
The long term average is fifty three, so forty four
is not good. Add two and two together the services
and manufacturing now both shrinking. As one economist said, it
shows a country that has one hit a brick wall

(41:47):
their words, not mine, and two an economy you're ready,
an economy in recession, which makes sadly the GDP figure
out this week for Q one redundant.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Those were the days, ah, the glory days of growth
in summer, because by the time April arrived, we'd packed up,
gone home and sunk into a funk. As we said
the other day when Christian Hawksby was on the show,
you can't tell us that the country is fine as
long as the farmers are fine. But that's the problem
with the Reserve Bank mandate. Inflation is their obsession. As
long it is as it's in that magical one to
three band, which it is, they don't care. But guess

(42:19):
what you can get low inflation by doing nothing. When
nothing works, inflation tends to be stagnant. That seems to
be about where we are at the moment. It's a
vicious cycle. And services spending is down, consumer confidence is down.
When confidence is down, spending is down, run and around
we go what helps that. I hear you ask well,
to drop in interest rates is the answer. The cash
rate debate is back on. I think it's going to

(42:40):
be neutral two point five. It might even be lower.
Actually who knows, but the Reserve Bank habit at three
banks argue it could be about two seven five. If
the Reserve Bank was right, services wouldn't be at forty four.
In manufacturing at forty seven, they say, oh, hold on,
it takes time. It'll all flow through, will it. I
don't think so, Christian said. The Monetary Policy Committee before

(43:02):
their last decision, had spent a week locked in a room,
and I think that's the problem. Try the real world.
It's different to a room and a spreadsheet.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Coasking.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I do have some good economic news for you this morning.
I'm very happy to be able to inform you that
pack and Save Rolliston. Roliston is the center of the world.
It's part of the Selwyn district. Selwyn is the center
of the regional world. Packinsab which is the biggest retail
outlet in the South Island eighty one hundred square meters,
so she's massive. Is going to be built under cost

(43:34):
under fifty million dollars and it's going to be open
two months early. So all of this businesses. We can't
build anything in this country and it blows out forever
and it takes way longer than you thought. Not so
not so pack and save Roliston came in early. Cayman
cheat this grooming report, so just to background it with
Roden and Nail's time. So Starmer denied it, denied it,

(43:55):
denied it. This has got a race element to it,
and this is what makes it so interesting. It's a
Pakistani thing, and these Pakistani gangs have been grooming young
girls and everybody knows it. And Starmer's busy going ah,
the locals all there, or that we'll do it at
a local authority level, just leave it to them. All
of a sudden, the report comes out overnight saying not
sign mate, and so he's got trouble. So we'll have

(44:17):
a look at this with lod in an hour's time.
But Nico Portia said twenty thirty, saying goodbye to the
sport he loves.

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Speaker 3 (44:35):
The Lower Institute, the aforementioned is interesting because they've done
this for four In fact, they've been doing it for
twenty years, and they regard them. So the Lower Institute
in general is very authoritative, but this particular piece of
work they do, they claim is world leading. So the
world leader that Australians feel most confident to do the
right thing regarding foreign affairs as who. So it's an
annual poll. As I say, I've been running for more

(44:57):
than two decades. Sixty three scent of respondence had either
some confidence or a lot of confidence in Christopher Luxen.
Top of the field. Following Luxon is Emanuel Macron at
sixty one percent alban Ezi at sixty ironic that they
mark him down having re elected him with the sort
of alacrity they did. Ashba in jebect would you even

(45:20):
know if I rang you up? Let's be honest. If
I rang you up and said, so this is Sheba Blake,
how's he doing in Japan? I mean, honestly, could you
give me and this is no insult to you or
indeed me, I would.

Speaker 15 (45:31):
Struggle to be an insult to Australians.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah, So as sheep. First of all, if you rang
your average Australian and stead one tell me who the
Prime Minister of Japan as, you wouldn't know because that
changes every thirty seconds, the way they're going at the moment. Anyway,
So I.

Speaker 15 (45:44):
Reckon you can make the same argument about Luxon, couldn't you?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
You?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Probably could you, honestly with any level hand on heart
of detail. I could personally because I'm a nude and
I follow this stuff. On alban Ezi I could tell
you what he's doing, but most people couldn't tell you
what Elbenese to do other than he won the election.
You know who he is. He seems like a half
decent bloke.

Speaker 15 (46:04):
Well you know that his name's Elbow. You don't know
what it's short for exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
And also you know some people in Queensland and they're
pretty happy because the bee is cheap in the sunshine,
so it must be good. I mean that's where it's beginning,
middle and end, isn't it anyway? Stalmer fifty nine? But
lux and no one loves Luxo more than the Australians
bottom of the pile. Come John elm But I mean
that's an easy score. Isn't it four percent? They claim
they fixed that boat the other day. Do you believe that?
You see in North Korea? So they launched a boat's sideways.

(46:30):
It's a thing. I'd never seen it, but it's a thing.
So you launch a boat, I thought just straight in
the obvious way, but they launched it sideways and it
fell over, and this was embarrassing. They had aerial footage
of this. They now claim they bright the ship and
they fixed it. I don't believe it, but be that
as it may. Putin ate Jijingping sixteen and Trump twenty five.
But so before you get all luxified about it, and

(46:52):
now Chris is fantastic. Two years ago Hipkins was leading
the pol I rest my case luxA.

Speaker 15 (46:59):
I do like the luxified though, and I'm going to
use it more every day.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Twenty one minutes away from eight it fosters back with
us halfs right. He's got to book out on leadership
and stress and being knifed in the back by the end,
said are.

Speaker 15 (47:12):
You I don't know if that's true, but you know,
if you're laxified, do you have to use the word frickin'
all the time?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Freakin' laxify? Tell you what there I was and I
freaking got Luxafi Frod's off the tungen a? Is that
the word of the years? Massive university listening to this,
I go high? Or where over here? Where was I?
Nikkoiod Portius? Right, So our most successful sports athletes, no
sports athletes are deciding for now anyway, to move to
other things. At the grand old age of twenty three,

(47:39):
sixteen years old. He was for the bronze in twenty
eighteen and the free sky, the free ski half pipe.
Then he came back four years later in Beijing got
the gold. But now the Olympics and the halfpipe are
and the rearview mirror Nico Portius is with us. Good morning,
Good morning. I'm sure it's one of it. I'm very well, indeed,
thank you. I'm sure it's one of those things you
sort of build up and think about and then it
goes public. Do you feel good now you've done?

Speaker 11 (48:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (48:01):
Do yeah?

Speaker 11 (48:02):
Feel really good? And I made the decision actually last August,
and yeah, just something that I wanted to sit on
and make sure that it was exactly what I wanted
to do.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Who'd you talk to my family?

Speaker 11 (48:16):
Yeah, spoke to my mum. My dad, my brother, and
then also spoke to my sports like Dave Colin. So yeah,
I had a really good team around me and a
great support network of people to help make sure that
it made the right decision.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
And how many of those people you talked to said well,
it's up to you, Nico, what do you think? And
you went, ah, I want something more than.

Speaker 11 (48:37):
That kind of all of them, to be honest, because
at the end of the day, like they've always been
super supportive of me and always backs me, and so
they wanted to be one hundred percent my call. They
didn't want to influence in it in any way. And yeah,
I guess I'm just really lucky to have that sort
of support network around me.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Did you waver it all from August on? Nah?

Speaker 11 (49:02):
I actually just wanted to sit on it and was
kind of scared to do the media announcement, to be honest, Yeah,
there was obviously, you know, there's obviously times when you
make the call and you're so young and still healthy
that you're like, oh, when times get hard, you're sort
of like, oh, maybe I could go back to the
option that I know and that you know, I wake
up and I know what's going to happen the next day,

(49:22):
or I know what's going to happen in six months time.
But yeah, I feel comfortable with the decision now and
feel yeah, ready to move on.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
If I'd asked you at say, fifteen, sixteen years of age,
did you have any inclination that this was going to
be a shortish term thing or at that point you
didn't know? And if you didn't know, at what point
in your career did you start thinking I've got other
stuff to do.

Speaker 11 (49:47):
Yeah, look, I didn't know. I was just fully in
what I was doing. And I guess, you know, looking back,
I've been in the competitive skiing world since I was,
you know, ten years old, and so that's like over
half my life, which has been pretty crazy, So it's
kind of all I've known. And I guess, you know,
through over that five gerd you do a lot of
growing and a lot of changing, and yeah, I just

(50:11):
kind of lost that competitive passion. I guess, you know,
as you do over over those years, like you change
as a person.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
So you felt that there was one of my questions,
did it did it at any point become a grind?

Speaker 11 (50:25):
Yeah? Definitely. I mean it was always a grind, but
I just I just kind of lost that competitive drive
at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Can you can you explain that or you don't need
to explain it.

Speaker 11 (50:35):
Yeah, no, it was it was a little bit around
like I just lost the drive for the results. The
results didn't really motivate me that much anymore. And to
be honest, when I achieved the results some you know
later on in the career, they didn't quite have the
same impact as they did. It was way more. I
was way more enjoying pushing myself and you know, to

(51:00):
be the best skier that I could be, rather than
trying to be the skill on day.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
It's a very mature view. Yeah, don't you reckon. That's
a very mature of you to come to at such
a young age, because I'm assuming most young people, once
you win one, you want to win more.

Speaker 11 (51:17):
Yeah. I don't know. I sit out with a number
of goals at the start of my career when I
was twelve, I said these goals and I achieved those goals,
and yeah, that's kind of I don't know. I feel
as a more and more and more mentality can often
lead to it doing damage or leaving a sour taste
in your mouth, and so.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I just wanted to do it.

Speaker 11 (51:38):
Yeah when I had, when I felt good and yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
The success was the success was part of it. So
in other words, you did have goals. So if you
had had not attained what you had attained, you'd still
maybe still be at it.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, Well, for sure the business of video production, all
that sort of stuff I'm reading about, is that a
real path? Is that something you're you're passionate about it
and you still don't know?

Speaker 11 (52:05):
No, No, that's something that I'm that I'm super passionate about.
After the twenty twenty two Games of Blue Macio and
coming back the season after I've spent a whole year
filming and working on a video production, and so it's
it's a it's a real path in skinning, and we're
lucky that our sport has, you know, multiple avenues outside
of competing and something that I really look forward to

(52:28):
to pushing.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
What I've enjoyed about you guys, And I think that's
applicable for many in New Zealand. Is that clearly something's
gone on in Central Otago by way of a production
pipeline for people who are good at this sort of stuff,
you've enjoyed it. I take it it's going well. You
leave the sport in good heart? Is that fair?

Speaker 11 (52:47):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely in good heart. Feel still
have the same really positive feelings towards it.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
And yeah, are you a memories guy? Are you going
to stand at a part and go, oh yeah, I
used to do that when I went to the Olympics.

Speaker 11 (53:03):
In no way, if someone if someone wants to come
and talk to me about it, or you know, one
of my friends and family brings it up, but I'm
not going to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Good stuff, all right mate, go well, appreciate it very much.
Nico Portius, you get raised that way or not? Or
is that just a genete?

Speaker 15 (53:22):
Which which way?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Well? In the like, he is what he is, isn't he?
I mean he's such a cool guy that to be
able to genuinely I mean I might be misreading him.
He might be in a year and a half be
a complete basket case and want to desperately get back
on the skis and get to a half pipe. I
don't know, but take him at as word this morning.
Are you raised that way? Or is it inherent in
you that you can spend your whole life going towards something,

(53:47):
getting there and then going more than happy just to
move gracefully on because that's massive.

Speaker 15 (53:51):
I couldn't well, well, as we can see you certainly
haven'ts massive.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Don't bring it back to me because I'm struggling at
the moment. Fourteen away from eight.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
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Speaker 3 (54:08):
Very good piece. K McNamara continues to be my favorite
Herald employee, so she writes, do read it because it's
critical because we're paying for part two of the COVID inquiry.
The Royal Commission guy called Dave Heatley Judy Kavanaugh, the
names I will mention now so that when they come
up in the bed I'm about to read you, you'll
know who I'm talking to. In twenty twenty, the beforementioned Heatley,

(54:31):
then a principal analyst at the Productivity Commission, produced what
appears to have been the only cost benefit analysis of
any pandemic measure produced in or for the New Zealand
public sector. Kavanah contributed additional modeling and research for it,
and Sweet was among the peer reviewers. The work born
of discussions with the Treasury found the cost of the
five day April extension of the twenty twenty Level four

(54:55):
lockdown was seven hundred and forty million dollars greater than
the benefits. It was designed to show a technique for
weighing health benefits against economic costs that could be used
in future decision making. The point I'm making here is
that this part of the inquiry at the moment is
looking at the economics. Then Finance Minister Grant Robertson did

(55:18):
not welcome the endeavor, What a surprise, and the exercise
was criticized by the team of mathematical modelers led by
Sean Hendy, a physicist and then a professor at the
University of Auckland On whose work much of the government's
pandemic policy making relied. Oh how interesting now, well she

(55:42):
goes on New Zealand academic economist John Gibson. I mentioned
that name. He's from the Wycata University because he's referenced here.
The report repeatedly held up New Zealand's extraordinary low excess
deaths during the pandemic as evidence of pandemic policy success. However,
in the report, as as commonly the case where excess
deaths measured the actual number of deaths against the number

(56:03):
of deaths expected. Critically, the number of deaths expected was
estimated based on the trend in previous years twenty fifteen
through twenty nineteen, when deaths were rising at two percent perannum,
roughly in line with the population growth. Gibson contends that
New Zealand's expected deaths during the pandemic should have been
adjusted for the stalled population growth produced by border closure.

(56:24):
Once the adjustment is made, New Zealand's excess deaths are
no longer internationally extraordinary and are poorer than or comparable
to a group of ten other countries, including Canada, Germany, Denmark, Belgium,
the Netherlands, Israel, and Australia. His related paper was published
by the Journal of New Zealand Economic Papers in two
thenty twenty. He didn't hear any of that, did you?
Never heard any of that, did you? So they did

(56:46):
model the economic cost of doing what they were doing.
It blew out didn't work, and you to this day,
the lobbies, the ad ernests will tell you are we
saved so many lives? Not a few measure it the
way he did read the article The COVID Royal Commission
of Inquiry hires economists for key roles. More excellent work
from Kate McNamara of The Herald eight to eight.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
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Speaker 3 (57:13):
By the way, Mike, to achieve what he does and
has done, takes an immense amount of discipline. This comes
from the parents. Well, see, I would disagree. I mean,
I mean, you may be right, it may well come
from the parents, but can you instill discipline or do
you show discipline? Or is discipline and inherent? Mike Portius
has always been mature beyond us. Yes, I mean I
think we picked that up at the time. The whole
family's deeply impressive. Nico real core guy honors too, gave

(57:35):
us the real reason none of this. The tank is empty.
The tank max can be empty. I mean, that's a
legitimate excuse. You think back to John Key when he
said the tank's empty. You believed incredible interview with Nico,
a young man with real clarity of mind, which I
guess is why he's achieved amazing tricks to win gold.
But it's not always the way. That's the thing that
fascinates me. I cited earlier on this morning Aaron Rodgers,
who's one of my heroes. Aaron Rodgers, one of the

(57:56):
greatest football players in the NFL's history. And yet there's
a guy seemingly now struggling. He's signed for a team
that you think, come on, mate, really do you need
to play for them this year? Surely got better things
to do with your life. He's got that kind of
hanging around too long vibe about him. So as brilliant
and genius as he has been can be, he's sitting
there again. Well, what an impressive young man, Mike. It
seems very evident that, no matter how good you are,

(58:18):
succeeding at the highest level, if tough mentally and physically,
hope he enjoys being in his twenties. Perfect way to retire.
I think he's clocked it. He may well do now.
On related matters, Ian Foster, you remember him here, there
was a little bit of controversy around that particular tenure.
He's in Japan these days with Steve Hansen, and he's

(58:39):
got a very good book out about stress and leading
from the front, the details of which we will have for.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
You shortly setting the agenda and talking the big issues.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
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Speaker 3 (58:57):
It is seven past eight. Time for catch up with
the and Foster Ymber him coach controversy, the blowcafter Hanson
before Robertson. But there is a bit of a story
in the tenure seventy percent winning rate, thirty two wins,
twelve losses. We lost our number one world ranking of course,
one four letters, loads for Freedom Cups, three Rugby Championships.
He's got the lines. Two are coming up, but he's
got a role in that. Coach is currently in Japan.

(59:17):
This new book is called Leading under Pressure and Ian
Fosters with us. Very good morning morning Mike. Last time
we talked, you were heading home to do those beautiful
lawns of yours. How are they looking?

Speaker 16 (59:28):
Well? Your memory is pretty good anyway, and the lawns
have been made. But subsequently I've actually shot off to
do a bit of work in Japan for a year,
so I've had to get someone else in to mow them.
But back now grass has grown in the way kaddo,
which is a good sign.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Good where are you at psychologically, mentally, culturally, everything You're
feeling good about yourself in life?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yep, I am.

Speaker 16 (59:50):
It's you know, like it's came back from the World
Cup and gave myself a chance to breathe a little
bit before we thought about what's next and looked at
a couple of options around the world, but decided coaching
at a club level was the next thing for me.
And so really enjoying the experience in Japan, you know,

(01:00:11):
teaching an old dog new tricks and you know, having
to adjust to a new environment. So I've actually really
enjoyed that. But like I said, it's great to be
home for two or three months and reconnect back here
and be heading back over there for the next year
comes September.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
What's your observation of Japan and it's rugby, because it's
not like it doesn't have a good New Zealand connection
these days, both with coaches and players. Is it progressing?

Speaker 16 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I think the Japan competition really is. It's in fact,
you know, it's been a learning curve for me. But
talking to a lot of the other coaches up there,
both a lot of South African and Kiwe coaches who
really believe that competition is just like this last year
they felt was one of the best it's ever been
in terms of strength. And I think when you look

(01:00:59):
around the world in terms of the viability of competitions,
probably the French competition, in the in the Japan competition
of the two that are probably standalone, has been really
financially viable. So i'd see massive growth and that that
domestic competition up there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
What's your view of global rugby? And the reason I
asked that a simple fold. One of the Japanese comment,
you just made this R three sixty thing that may
or may not come to something this this this club
competition with some super rugby teams South versus North, plus
the international calendar.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Or all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Is rugby in a healthy state or is there a
too much rugby?

Speaker 16 (01:01:37):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:01:38):
Look, I think it's in a healthy state.

Speaker 16 (01:01:39):
But I mean, if you look at look at two
things for the for the game to really to thrive,
you've got to have great governance, and you've got to
have and you've got to have great competition structures. And
I think it's at at both those levels. The game's
gone through massive transitions. You've seen it in our country
the last four or five years. And it's sort of

(01:02:02):
some things that I address in the book We've done,
where you know, you look at introduction of private equity,
different types of people owning owning parts of the game.
And it's not wrong or it's not bad, it's just
required a whole rethink of how the game operates. And
so the government sides a challenge. And so it's the

(01:02:22):
competition side. Because you go around the world to a
lot of the major competitions, they're struggling to sustain their
competition on a financial backing.

Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
So how they go about that?

Speaker 16 (01:02:34):
And so the dilemma has always been able do you
do more and you go bigger and shinier. But the
trouble that does it increase your costs as well. So
there's a big rethink going on about how, particularly in
the Northern hemisphere. You know, a lot of the what
used to be a stronghold in terms of the club
stuff is there's a lot of financial pressure in that market.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Is that how rugby is run? Because I've got a
sort of a personal interest in international sport generally, and
I look at it from a business point of view.
If you look at the American market, particularly it's booming.
I mean, there is no shortage of money for sport,
and sport is wealthy, and yet there are some parts
of rugby that's not wealthy. In fact, the ends lose money.
Is that because there isn't money for rugby or because

(01:03:17):
the way rugby's run is a problem.

Speaker 16 (01:03:21):
Well it's probably a combination of both. But I think
if you look at the American market, and to a
certain degree even the Australian market an AFL, NRAL is
that their strength is there is their club competition, their
franchise competitions, and like in America, like they're massively strong.
And in sports that really don't need the international game,

(01:03:44):
you know, like NFL that they they don't try to
take it global as such, that is interested in promoting
their own brand. So whereas rugby, particularly when you look
around the world and you look at countries like New Zealand,
we need the international aim to be strong because that's
that's most of the most of our revenue. So but

(01:04:05):
you also need to give more autonomy to the franchises
they operate underneath, because they need to be financially sustainable
as well. So it's as you give more autonomy to
the to the competition structure. Sometimes it deep powers the
international structure and that's the dilemma for rugby to get right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
It's interesting, all right mate, hold on just two seconds,
will you? Ian Foster? The book is Leading under Pressure.
We'll talk about the All Blacks specifically in the moment
twelve past.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
It be news Talks have becoming up sixteen past eating
and Fosters, I guess the book is Leading under Pressure.
Let me ask you the All Blacks? Where where do
you see the All Blacks? As I mean, are they
as powerful an entity as they ever have been or not?

Speaker 11 (01:04:48):
Absolutely?

Speaker 16 (01:04:49):
You know they're still a you know, if you look
at a brand, they're a massive brand and you know
you live in Japan and you realize how realize again
how powerful they can be. But it's you know the
beauty of that is that's yeah, you know that that
can change quickly. You know that the power of the

(01:05:11):
brand has really come from a set of values that
have been built up over one hundred years of New
Zealand rugby. And the key is to as we go
through new eras to make sure you don't walk away
from those values.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Is rugby angsty in terms of my look, I don't know.
I don't know. I'm a fan, that's all I am.
But I look at the way rugby's run in this country,
and you've got your provincial, you've got your national, you've
got you know. The fact you're losing money worries me.
But it seems there's an angst to rugby that's not
particularly necessary or am I misreading that? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:05:42):
Look, I think there always has been, Mike, and I mean,
first of all, we need you to stay a fan.
We want people to stay in love with the game.
We talk a lot about it. There's always there's always,
you know, conflict points between NPC, Super Rugby, all Blacks, governance,
all that sort of stuff, and that's kind of part

(01:06:02):
of it in some ways that it's a healthy it's
healthy that those things get discussed publicly, you know, because
it's you know, it's part of the game, part of
the country. And I think there are but there are
a lot of issues that need to be resolved. You've
got to make sure, you know, we don't keep strong
the base of our game. Then there's not a lot
left for us at that at the top level. So

(01:06:26):
although I don't think I don't think we should be
massively concerned about it, but we certainly have to be
prepared to change.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
What have you looked at as regard I mean, the
whole book's called leading under Pressure, and no one lead
under more pressure than you, because you know, everyone had
any and foster view of the world, didn't they At
the end of that, Well, what do you think of
that now that you've got that in the reavision mirror?

Speaker 16 (01:06:49):
Yeah, look, I reckon it's an important story to tell.

Speaker 12 (01:06:54):
I never I say in the book.

Speaker 16 (01:06:56):
I never intended to write a book.

Speaker 11 (01:06:58):
I never didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I thought that was some.

Speaker 16 (01:07:00):
Important and more interesting people. But I just feel that
post World Cups came back to to a country that
was probably you know, clear I can't speak on behalf
of everyone, but a lot of the feedback we got
is that people actually saw a team go through a
journey over those four years, and even those that were

(01:07:21):
critical and didn't like things and hated losing to Ireland
like all of us, but they saw a team come
out the other side a little bit and grow towards
the end. And I just felt that almost owed it
to a management team and a lot of my leading
players to actually tell the story of the journey of
that particular team, because there's no doubt that going through

(01:07:45):
going through COVID and the quarantines and all the things
that we will know about those this first, you know,
twenty twenty twenty twenty one changed the way we approached
those four years. That put us under a lot of pressure,
and it put everyone under a lot of press. But
telling the story about how we as an organization dealt
with that and some of it's probably not good, But

(01:08:10):
to me, I'm intensely proud of how a team sort
of really.

Speaker 14 (01:08:15):
Stuck together and even with a bit of adversity.

Speaker 16 (01:08:18):
Checked at it, or a lot of adversity checked that,
it sort of relied on itself to sort of dig
itself out of a bit of a hole and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Nearly got there.

Speaker 16 (01:08:25):
So that's kind of the story, and you know, people can.

Speaker 12 (01:08:29):
Can judge it from whichever angle.

Speaker 16 (01:08:31):
They want, but I felt it was an important one
to share because I've just got massive regard for the
people that I worked with and went through the same
trip that I did.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
How do you deal with it as a leader under
pressure when you've got young men under pressure, but they
won't have known what you already know. And they're all
individuals anyway, and deal with things in different faces of
their life and approach.

Speaker 16 (01:08:55):
A great quote I believe in which is a river
without banks has called a flood. And you've actually got
to supply I think when things are uncertain, you've got
to supply some certainty and you've got to be brutally
honest about it. You've got to say, well, this is
where we're at, this is where we're going. And then

(01:09:17):
you've got to walk alongside people. And I think that's
what happened at that time period, is that yet to
actually rather than push or pull them along, you had
to walk alongside them because everyone had had concerns at
different levels, and I think it was a different time
to lead. You had to lead a different way. Some
of it clearly that I wouldn't have said I got

(01:09:38):
right all the time, but it was certainly that that
was how I felt. We went through that period.

Speaker 14 (01:09:44):
And and some of the pressure you.

Speaker 16 (01:09:48):
Was generated outside the organization. Some of that was generated
inside the organization. But the strategy of how we.

Speaker 12 (01:09:54):
Dealt what it was the same.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Mark Robinson who you're well aware was quite recently he said,
no regrets. Do you any regrets?

Speaker 9 (01:10:02):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:10:02):
No, Well, when I say no regrets, i've in terms
of the way I led and how I went through things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:10:11):
I don't think you can never say you've got no
regrets because you never get it one hundred percent right.
And and but I think did I learn, did I
move through things?

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
Did I you know?

Speaker 16 (01:10:22):
And ultimately as a leader, yes, the ultimate test is
if you think you're a leader, but you look over
over your shoulder and no one's following, then you're not doing.

Speaker 11 (01:10:31):
A good job.

Speaker 16 (01:10:33):
But the fact is that we had a team that
stayed tight, united and under a lot of pressure. When
I performed at the end, then that's something that I'm
really proud of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Good stuff. Listen, good to catch up. You might go well,
the book is leading under Pressure. He and Foster with
us this morning eight twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
There'd be Morning Mike Ate twenty five. By the way,
Morning Mike typically and faster, humble and so under valued.
He speaks sincerely without being a whistleblower. He could have
played the blame game, but it's too dignified for that.
I've got the utmost respect, So that's nice, very likable guy.
I always enjoyed, always enjoyed dealing with him. Foster has
a lot more to him and credibility than afforded to
him by the public and New Zealand Rugby while the

(01:11:16):
av coach. But he seems at peace, doesn't he, Mike
love you show. I've been following a band called the
Zach Brown Band, which is brilliant. Well I'm glad you
have because I only discovered them about maybe two years ago,
possibly three. Zach is an American from Atlanta, Georgia with
a ten piece. He's on tour at present and all
Australian concerts are sold out, not coming to New Zealand. Unfortunately.

(01:11:37):
That's so depressing to know, because Zach Brown's in that
He's a deal within country music, but not the biggest deed.
He's no Luke Calms or Morgan Wallen. But when I
discovered him relatively recently, I thought, how long has this
guy been around? So I looked him up. He's been
around forever and there's a lot of bands out there
like that that have been around forever have had extraordinary
levels of success. I read I can't don't remember, but

(01:12:00):
he's selling like forty million albums and you're thinking this
is a serious player anyway. So he's in Australia selling out,
but he doesn't come here. How many people, because we
only had the conversation around Taylor Swift and the mega
deals that we don't have the facilities for how many
people of his silk? And I don't know where he's playing,

(01:12:21):
but I would imagine he's a five to ten thousand
a nighter, that sort of deal, So it's not like
we don't have the facilities to have him here. How
many people are they like him that go to Australia
and don't move on here? Latest single I Ain't worried
about it? And two chairs and you but Nadine's got

(01:12:42):
a ticket to the Australian show.

Speaker 15 (01:12:44):
So just as well as you've got iHeart Country ENDZ
to listen to a hard one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
They got Zach Brown on.

Speaker 15 (01:12:52):
Yeah it's all over it, mate?

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Is this Zach Brown? It is been This is not representative.
I don't think of what he does.

Speaker 15 (01:13:05):
Yep, you always say that that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Another example of that is Jason his Bell touring Australia
with Paul Kelly, and when Paul continues his tour to
New Zealand, Jason goes home to the States and see,
I've never even heard of Jason as Bell, so we're
just we're just off here talking about people we've never
heard of coming to the country. So we've got we
seem to be and I don't want to overplay this
or overstate this, but we seem to be a country

(01:13:47):
now in terms of entertainment where a lot of people
you've never heard of come and tour, whereas the people
you have heard of don't come here anymore or not
even Jason Isbell. And so when Isabelle's not touring New Zealand,
something's gone wrong with the touring industry. Twenty three minutes
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Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
But can't we go Roderick?

Speaker 10 (01:14:11):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Good morning?

Speaker 12 (01:14:12):
Good bonnet as well? Mate.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
I know that starmers in Canada and I get all
that is probably how relieved that he is. But this
report that's come out on the grooming and I followed
this for a sustained period of time. Is he politically
embarrassed by this? Given it was all a local authority
thing until now banying the reports? Is it's not and
it's on his plate.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
Yes he is. He's very embarrassed by this. Firstly, he
didn't want a national inquiry into the grooming gangs, which
were all rape gangs, let's call them rape gangs, which
were carried out by largely Pakistani Muslim men across the country.
He didn't want any of that. And now he's hat
to listen to Baroness Casey who did a review of

(01:14:51):
the cases and said that there was a definite racial
and ethnic identity to them. Well, indeed, Louise, thank you
for that. And so he's very very embarrassed by has
had to do yet another U turn and now there
will be an inquiry and that's difficult for him on

(01:15:12):
two cases. Firstly, because in a lot of the cases,
the areas where the inquiry will figure the people who
didn't take any notice of what was going on their
labor authorities, and there were labor authorities then their labor
authorities now. And secondly, also having allowed the inquiry to

(01:15:32):
go ahead, the National Inquiry, he loses a bit of
faith again amongst the Muslim voters for the Labor Party,
who will be thinking why us, why us?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Could it be because it is then in this particular
case and was part of the problem. Nobody wanted to
decide this is a Pakistani thing and we need to
deal with that.

Speaker 12 (01:15:54):
Yeah, of course it is. Of course it is. And
it's also I think up to the communities which are
copying and saying why are you because the argument, of
course is that there are more cases committed by white
pedophiles than there are by Pakistani pedafiles. Yes, that's because
we constitute eighty five percent of the population. You know

(01:16:14):
that there is a clear method, methodolog dogical notion here
that you know you look at this because it has
the same pattern, the same patterns across the country of
elderly Pakistani men grooming young white girls. Only white girls,
always Pakistani or Muslim men and you know it's unanswerable,

(01:16:40):
and so it builds up a huge problem for Starma,
firstly about the far left, which I think it should
go ahead, and secondly amongst those who saying, well, why
didn't you do anything before? And thirdly because those authorrities
didn't do anything in the first place.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Exactly. We'll follow up with interest as regards the Middle East,
you're involved, You've got EGIT fighters, your essits are under
some sort of threat. Allegedly, where does Britain think this
broadly is going.

Speaker 12 (01:17:10):
Britain doesn't know. Britain has been excluded from this conflict entirely,
largely a consequence I suspect of the government's decisions over
the last couple of months to start hammering down on
Israel and saying gas is going too far, and when well,
we can't support this, we're in favor of the arms embargo,

(01:17:33):
et cetera. And so it's been excluded entirely, has has
much of Europe from the discussions, the chief political discussions,
the intelligence discussions, as so what is going to happen
between Israel and Iran in a way that the USA
has been co opted at every measure and that's a problem.

(01:17:55):
It's a problem to the government. It's a problem which
is it's difficult for us relating to our ally Israel
and Starma has to sort it out. We should know
whose sides we're on between Iran and Israel.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Is there a lot of I just follow a couple
of people on social media Australia I know are looking
at repatriation flights. I mean, you give me a lot
of Brits, for example, go to Israel for the weekend
for a wedding and they've got a lot of Brits
stuck there at the moment because the flights aren't going
in and out there. Are you looking at repatriating flights
or anything like that at all or not?

Speaker 12 (01:18:28):
Not yet, though there is a problem I'm meant to
be having. There was someone who's stuck in Ben Gurian
for the next couple of days on Tomorrow night, as
it happens. So it is a problem, but there's no
there's no indication that we're going to be doing anything
about it in the short term.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Give us a quick weather forecast. I've got a heat
wave coming in, the first heat wave of the season
coming in at thirty But I've also got a thunderstorm
warning in a drought. How bad's the drought and how
hot is it?

Speaker 12 (01:18:56):
The crout is very bad in many parts of the country.
There's no doubt whatsoever. I'm living up here in the
North Benines and it's been remarkably free of rain. Whereas
rain is the default with the weather system, which you
would expect up here. It has been very very dry

(01:19:16):
this year, and I think we are in for problems
this summer. Depends how hot the summer is. The tendency
recently has been to have very dry springs and winters
and then slightly wetter summers and less warm summers. If
that changes at all, we are in a big problem.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
All right, Mike, you go well, catch up Thursday. Appreciate it.
Just before we leave. A couple other quick things. As
a Suffolk I peak called Patrick Spencer. He's played not
guilty to a couple accounts of sexual assault at London's
Groucho Club. He's the Central Suffolk and North ipswhich e
MP only elected last year. Two assaults on two women
alleged same day back in August of twenty three. He's

(01:19:57):
thirty seven. He's a Conservative Tory. He appeared at the
Westminster Magistrates. He's next to you at the Stubbock in July.
I could tell you about a Scottish MP if you like.
In fact, he's the Health Secretary, Neil Gray. Turns out
he quite likes the old Shefford limousine. And then when
he goes to fill out the paperwork on the Shefferd limousine,
he gives addresses and places he doesn't live, so that's

(01:20:19):
element of scandal. Then we've got the HS two, which
is the fast train between London and Birmingham. One of
the contractors been pinged for fraud, so they're looking at
in fact two contractors, looking at a couple of firms
who supplied it with workers. Transport Secretary expected to raise
the issue in Parliament this week. Myriad of problems spiraling
costs that thing, the HS two if you followed that,

(01:20:41):
that was first announced in two thousand and nine and
still is an open or anywhere close. Sixteen two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
News Talks thirteen Away from Line. Ashley Cook apparently came here.
She was very good. I came and went twenty eight
years old. Have just looked her up, so hopefully if
you went, you thoroughly enjoyed that.

Speaker 9 (01:21:08):
Mic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
I just thought i'd mention I don't believe there's been
enough coverage of the superb drive that SVG did yesterday,
being the best Americas has to offer by sixteen and
a half seconds with a stomach bug and flight issues,
missing key track and walk time. Absolute clinic Dan, it's
probably fair SVG Shanne benng Gisbergen won a NASCAR so
I guess that's fair enough. Mike car was working in

(01:21:30):
London thirteen years ago on the HS two Economic Impacts Report.
The analytics or the analysis was that it had very
low net benefits, but the government rejected that analysis and
paid for someone else to inflate it. It's a dog,
a dog that's going now with let me ask you
this question. We had a very interesting thing on the
BBC yesterday and it comes into the very broad heading
of hypocrisy. So we are in the Raja armpart Achipellaco,

(01:21:56):
which is in Indonesia where they do very pretty part
of the world as you can imagine, as most archipelagos are,
and they're doing a bit of nickel mining at the moment,
and unfortunately the forests have been stripped and the waters
have been polluted, and it was one of the most
biodverse marine habitats on Earth. And why am I telling
you about this while they've sort of woken up to
the idea they might be wrecking the place through mining?

(01:22:18):
Why are they mining this nickel? And the answer is
because they need a lot of nickel to make evs.
And it sort of occurred to me. And we don't
seem to have the conversation ever, do we that the
land use for mining multiple islands. It's increased by five
hundred hectares equivalent to about seven hundred football pitches between
twenty twenty and twenty twenty four. And we seem to
find that mining for nickel is somehow acceptable as long

(01:22:42):
as it's going to an EV. But mining for oil
and gas, if it was going God forbidden too, I
don't know an engine, is completely unacceptable. How is it
that mining and wrecking a place for something you perceive
to be the future is good, and yet the same
activity for something you don't like anymore is not acceptable?
How is it you can pack a big sad about that?

Speaker 15 (01:23:03):
I guess I mean once you'd finished with your battery
and your EV you can use it to power your fridge.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
Remember, yeah, No, that was Julian Jent's finest moment in
Modern New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:23:12):
Was whereas you just burn up the oil and the gas,
it just goes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
It's gone.

Speaker 15 (01:23:16):
Atmosphere and the world hotter and rainy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
It do you or actually, let me ask you different.
How many people do you know that run there for
a Jona battery from their rev?

Speaker 15 (01:23:25):
I just count them?

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Yeah, exactly? Turn away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
The make Hosking Breakfast with Veda Retirement Communities News togs.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Head bes like you're liking Season four of Clarkson's Farm.
Thoroughly enjoyed it. Polished it off last weekend or the
weekend before. Watched it a couple at a time. Very
very beautiful filmmaking. The story quite good, can go forever.
It's about seasons. I mentioned it the other day. They
had the worst winter. This was from last year, the
worst winter in living memory. As I mentioned with Roder

(01:23:57):
moment ago, they're having the warmest sun in a living memory.
So he's in a drought. He was due here to
promote the show, but he didn't come because of the drought.
But if you followed the tabloids in Britain, there are
two women who appeared on the series and advised him
on opening the pub, you know, in terms of furnishings
and how to run the place. And all of a
sudden in the I think it was the last episode,

(01:24:18):
they told him to get umbrellas, and he looked at
the price of the umbrellas outdoor umbrellas, this says. And
he looked at the price of the umbrellas and they
were too expensive, so he didn't so he got a
tarp and the tap looked richt to iculo us, and
then he went out and pulled umbrellas. But then he
suddenly said after they opened, and when they opened, it
was a complete night cluster for a variety of reasons.
He said the two women had gone. They lasted forty
eight hours, and they'd told him that it was about

(01:24:40):
to implode, that the staff were over it, that the
place was a mess, and so he said, they've gone that.
I thought, this is going to be interesting to see
how this plays out in the real world. In the
real world, it's an antie and nice firm. These two
ladies who sort of advise on Hospo and they've had
because they sign an NDA with Amazon, they sort of
can't say anything, and so they're sort of getting rained

(01:25:02):
all over at the moment on the socials because they
look like the bad guys, when in fact, without knowing
the full story, they don't look I don't believe them
to be the bad guys at all. It could be
that just Jeremy's a pain in the ass to deal with. Well,
you reckon, So anyway, I hope their business goes okay.
Speaking of famous people, five to Night.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
Trending now with Chemist's Warehouse the Real House of Vitamins.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Now. Will Smith put out an album. He's sort of
trending this morning for reasons I'll explain in a moment.
But he put out an album in April, and it
was his first album in twenty years, and the album's call,
based on a true story, Died of Death, sold Turner
sixty eight copies in the first week, downloaded thirty eight times.
But he brought out a music video for the song

(01:25:48):
pretty Girls, which is why it's gone viral.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I like pretty Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I love pretty gurl.

Speaker 9 (01:26:00):
I like pretty Girl.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
I'm worry gets bitter. I love pretty Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
You don't gotta wait in line tonight. You're too fine
for the line tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Five plus five you were diamond night.

Speaker 15 (01:26:16):
It's a full house.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Better play at cards, right. I'm a post yo bick.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
If you pose, make one fault call you in folk shoulders,
knees choes, Hold up, wait pose.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I'm about to do something investing. I spent it on
you and your best dat.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
How's this game?

Speaker 12 (01:26:32):
Jets?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
This county game?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
If you like pretty?

Speaker 15 (01:26:36):
Is it ironic? Like it's exceded? Like you know a
little bit of Alexa? Is it ext of a little
little Alexis?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Rather a little little bit of Alexis I'm a little
bit of Lexus. Last time I met Will Smith was
in the Crown Casino in Melbourne, a pretty girl drink
and I was in a room with Will and Tommy
Lee b yelled and Lara Flynn Boyle.

Speaker 15 (01:27:02):
And by Tommy Lee Jones. I'm not Tommy Lee the drummer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
That would have been weird.

Speaker 15 (01:27:11):
Only if he was videoing you. But carry on.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
That's true. So Will was the nicest guy on the world,
Like I thought, how was it? And he reminds me
very much of Tom Cruise. You know, he's working the room,
and you know he doesn't want to be there, and
you know he's done this a thousand times before, and
you know he couldn't give the monkeys about me, But
for that moment, he had that ability to make you
think that you were really cool. Lara Flynn Boyle and

(01:27:35):
Tommy Lee not so much.

Speaker 12 (01:27:39):
It was weird.

Speaker 15 (01:27:40):
Fairly recently, I was a movie world Yes on the
Wild wore West right, and they still play that song
NonStop in the queue, Wow Wow West. I'm not sure
that it's aged.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
Well, mind you, Glenn. Neither of We back tomorrow morning
at six Happy Days.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
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Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
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