Full Show Podcast: 18 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
And welcome Today. A new car might get cheaper, but
Yoruba probably won't give them the Supreme Court, so we'll
look at both those issues. Also, rubber roads are a thing.
Malcolm Turnbull, former Australian Prime Minister and through a word
after Lake Catherine Field and France Rod Little does the
mighty UK for Passki tesday morning. Here we are seven
past six. Yes, the Supreme Court. They've ruled in favor
of a handful of Uber drivers who wanted to be employees,

(00:35):
not contractors. The case was backed by a union. Now
here's your trouble. The gig economy is based on freedom
of movement, work for whoever you want, whenever you want,
work for one, work for two, work for as many
as you like. This case potentially messes with that. Making
it slightly more complicated is the fact that government has
new law working its way through the House trying to
define this very issue. Because the reason we are here

(00:56):
is because both the appeal Court and the employment caught
and now the Supreme Court have decided the drivers have
a case. And the reason they have a case is
because the law obviously allows it. The trouble is, I
don't think that was ever the intent of the gig economy. Now,
the drivers, if you followed the case, have protested and
done all the usual placard waving about rights and holiday
pay and overtime and sickly. But that was never meant

(01:16):
to be what the gig economy was about. If you
want security, if you want acc cover, don't work for Uber.
As far as I know, Uber and the like have
never said there were anything other than a provider of
the chance to work when you want or not. You
can work for whoever you like, however many times you like.
You've been in a cap? Is it a cap? Is
it an Uber? Is it add is it a bolt?

(01:38):
Is it all of them? That's the gig economy And
guess what, some people like it that way. That's the
freedom of choice. Now the law needs to protect the model. Now,
the unions will tell you that people get ripped off
and they work long hours, and those long hours are
quite too shockingly bad. Hourly wages. Although that might be
true or not, but it still doesn't I mean, it's
not the point of the model. And if the law

(01:59):
wrecked the model, then the law needs to be changed.
Now we've seen some of the cases in various parts
of the world, of course, and by and large the
outcome here is the outcome there. So it may be
uber as we know, it isn't long for this world.
What was once a disruptor might be a little bit
closer to being extinct.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Meantime, we got a world of paying continuing for Starmer
and his crew, and they're desperate attempt to get a
legal migration under control that hits the predictable reaction zone.
So one reform.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
She's beginning to sound as though she's she's sort of
putting an application for vetting to join reform. If we
had said two months ago in our party conference what
she said over the weekend, we've been caused all sorts
of nasty, beastly.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Names and two the tories, we need to remove people
who arrive in this country legally, not say we'll give
stair twenty years. And if you break into the country,
you need to go home.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
They have another bin striking Birmingham, by the way, with
the added problem that the agency people who were filling
in have now about to strike themselves.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
Instead of this strike going backwards if you like, where
people are going back into work. What's happening is more
people are joining the strike action.

Speaker 6 (03:07):
There.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
He ballot close today. That gives us a five or
six months at mind date that takes into the local
elections that the council need to take note.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Stage signed a couple of things. You probably heard Old
Donald on his way back to DC on Marjorie and
all that missy Epstein paperwork.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
Her life is in danger.

Speaker 8 (03:23):
Who's that are there defense Marjorie.

Speaker 7 (03:27):
Trader Grid I don't think your life is in danger.
I don't think Frankly, I don't think anybody.

Speaker 8 (03:33):
Cares about her.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And there is a suggestion Trump may open up some
talks with Madeira of Venezuela. But the expects of these
days in New York would rather simply goes anymore.

Speaker 9 (03:42):
We didn't leave Venezuela because we wanted to.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
We fled Madeiro.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
It's time for him to go.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't care if he goes to prison, they do
something to him or he just goes away to anywhere else.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
But it's time for him and his government to go.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
And of Megalandash. Not a good day for the former
Prime Minister Hassena.

Speaker 10 (04:05):
Nes to hear.

Speaker 6 (04:06):
The world was yeses.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
That is news of the world in ninety defand's economy.
What can I can tell you? Domestic consumption helps slow
the decline. The economy is going backwards. Not as bad
as they thought. They thought two and a half percent
year on year. This is it's only four and one
point eight percent. But going backwards is not good. I
can tell you. That's economics. One O one eleven past.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
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Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now Mike Wuirez uberno different to any other self employed industry,
for example real estate. Good question. I'll come back to
that in the moment. Iran Fingers crossed for the good
people of Iran. They're cloud seeding at the moment their
largest lakes dried out. It's a salt bed record low
for the rainfall. In fact, the rainfall has decreased by
eighty nine percent so far this year. So they've hit
the clouds with a few chemicals to see what happened

(05:00):
and that works. They'll keep doing it until it rains
enough to solve their problem. They're going to run out
of water. It's their problem. Fourteen minutes past six as
it literally run out of water. I'm sure and Partners
Andrew Keller Hurt, good morning, very good morning, Mike. That
services are just like, I don't know, I mean, forty
eight point seven is not what we want to see,
of course, but it was up a bit, wasn't it.

Speaker 11 (05:20):
A little bit little? Yeah, a little bit. We were
looking for the quernela, weren't we were because we were
looking for the services sector to deliver a little shot
in the arm, like the Manufacturing index released on Friday.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
But disappointed.

Speaker 11 (05:34):
Yeah, because just going back to that, the pm I
improved into expansiony territory on Friday, but the follow up
performance of services index, this is the B and Z
Business New Zealand one did not move into expansionory territory.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
You're dead right.

Speaker 11 (05:47):
Forty eight point seven for October marginally higher, I think,
up point four or point three than September.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Now the services sector is ugly.

Speaker 11 (05:55):
More important from the point of view of the aggregate
economy is bigger major component of our GDP of total activity. Unfortunately,
it has now been in contraction or under fifty now
for twenty consecutive months, and as a point of reference,
the long term averages fifty two point eight. Looking down
into the detail breakdown of the sub indexes, well, none

(06:17):
of them are over fifty, so it's sort of quite
quite consistent across the sub indexes.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
So tough times continue for businesses in the services sector.

Speaker 11 (06:26):
But might let's channel the glass half full vibe and
activity sales the sub innext forty eight point nine. It
is the highest value for that measure since January, so
it's still contractionary, it's still weak, but it's less bad
than it has been. The new Orders index four and
a half. Put the two indexes together, the PMI the PSI,

(06:47):
you get the concert index has been improving, just very
very slowly. GDP weighted forty nine point one. Look, Mike,
it feels like we're getting there, but we're just not quite.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
There yet unless you're the Real Estate Institute of New
Zealand headline springers here is it?

Speaker 6 (07:05):
Well, yes, it is.

Speaker 11 (07:06):
The thing is spring spring always spruns at this.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
Time of year, so yeah, a fair bit of data.

Speaker 11 (07:12):
Yes to actually said, this is Real Estate Institute of
New Zealand Housing Market numbers four October. I always look
at the housing price index because it smooths out the
composition issues of the sales data. Nationwide, year on year,
the housing price index has increased zero point three percent,
which in my terminology that sideways Auckland year on thefl

(07:34):
zero point seven. The rest of New Zealand are zero
point three. Top three regions in the last year, Mike, Southland,
Bay of Plenty in Canterbury sort of no real surprises there.
I think what they're saying, Mike is if you look
at the shorter term, sort of time frame, we'd expect
to see seasonality kicking in prices tend to improve, activity
improves leading into summer. That is happening. We have seen

(07:57):
sequential improvement in the national index. You can see it
in the Auckland numbers. Now unadjusted Aucland's up two point
six percent in the last three months.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
The Sunny North Shore actually like up five point two percent.

Speaker 11 (08:10):
Yeah, there you go, But once you seasonally adjust those
it does look less frothy. I mean, over all, the
month of October rows zero point six percent seasonally adjust
as it's closer to zero. But Mike, sales are lifting
year on year, are upper over five percent, good lift
from September to October, and are tracking well above the
twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four numbers. And this

(08:33):
is the unfortunate thing that at the same time, inventory,
the number of listed properties or number of properties that are.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Listed, that's also lifting.

Speaker 11 (08:40):
So we need the sales to lift, we need to
chip away at the inventory. So look, I think sideways
for the housing market for a while yet. But maybe Mike,
just maybe the bias of risk is shifting to the upside,
and I think twenty twenty six we'll see positive price section.
You have got the tailwinds of lower mortgage rates, the

(09:00):
fact that we haven't the transmission of monetary policy hasn't
completely finished yet.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
But we're sort of lacking that historical impulse.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
That's true. I reckon house prices are going to go
up seven percent, and twenty twenty six.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
We just doubled down.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Why not when you've dug a hole one not dig
a bit deeper. So prices yesterday? How about the power prices?

Speaker 6 (09:20):
Eh?

Speaker 11 (09:21):
Yeah, that's the fly in the ointment isn't it. So
we had the two bits of inflation doe. Yes day,
household inflation expectation survey tracks well.

Speaker 6 (09:29):
Above the CPI, but it's coming down. That's the point.

Speaker 11 (09:32):
So if I look at the one year, two year,
what their household think that their inflation expectations are falling,
that's good. Also, yesterday selected price indexes overall prices.

Speaker 6 (09:42):
Study a little bit weaker than expected.

Speaker 11 (09:43):
Yeah, electricity eleven point eight percent, but the pace of
games is slowing. Gas fourteen point four percent. But they're
both starting to slow down. There's nothing in these numbers. Yes,
data challenge the expectation that Q four CPI could come
in just.

Speaker 6 (09:57):
Under three percent.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Lay some numbers on me.

Speaker 11 (10:00):
Forty seven thousand, one hundred and thirteen.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
That's the Dow Jones.

Speaker 11 (10:03):
It's down thirty three points zero point point zero seven fall,
so not much. The S and P five hundreds up
nine points six seven four to two, and the Nasdaq
is up twenty one points, also not much. Twenty two thousand,
nine hundred and twenty two overnight. The forteen one hundred
lost about a quarter percent ninety six seven five. The
Nika lost fifty three points point one fifty thousand, three

(10:27):
two three Shanghai composite, down just under half a percent
three nine seven two. The oss is yesterday rose two
points on the a SX two hundred eight six three six,
and we gained point two six percent on the N
six fifty thirteen thousand, four hundred and ninety nine was
the mark there. Kiwi dollar against the US point five
six seven to one, so it is a little bit

(10:49):
better than it was point eight seven seven. Grow over
eighty seven cents against the Aussie point four eight nine
ozer euro point four to three oh five, so just
over forty three p against the quid eighty eight against
the Japanese yen. Gold is trading at four thousand and
sixty seven dollars and break rude sixty four dollars and
forty cents.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Have a good one, make catchup tomorrow. Andrew Kella has
sure and partners Pasky noy. You see me now you don't?
Twenty one million domestically over the weekend? Is that good?
Not bad? Third installment of the movie franchise Quite good
saw the trailer. When it opened in twenty thirteen it
was twenty nine million, and when it opened again in
twenty sixteen, it was twenty two million. This one looks
exactly like one and two, but nevertheless it's still it's

(11:31):
still bank. As they say in the Wonderful World of
Movies and everything I read in the movies, particularly in America,
they're desperate for a good turnout at the theater, so
they seem to have got won. Six twenty one at
newstalk SPoD.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
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Speaker 2 (11:51):
At b Yeah, the Hassena thing in Bangladesh is significant,
but good one. I mean, obviously significant court sentencing a
former prime minister's death does happen every day, but it
is the most dramatic legal action against a form of
Bangladeshi leader since independence back in nineteen seventy one. The
problem is twofold. They've got elections coming up. Her party,
the Awami League, has been banned from entering and despite

(12:15):
the fact that she's a crook and she's probably going
to get hanged, she's in India, by the way, so
whether they repatriot have got no idea. So she fled
as soon as the uprising happened last year. But then
the point being there is some ankst around the party
being banned and whether or not people hit the streets,
and there's more unrest. Meantime, the Dubai air shows underway,
and Emirates have shown some faith in Boeing thirty eight

(12:38):
billion dollar order on day one. They want sixty five
additional triple seven nines, which are the long hauls, the
wide bodies, and Emirates are Boeing's biggest wide body customers.
So that order book now for Boeing from Emirates alone
is three hundred and fifteen wide bodies. So it ain't
like there's no demand for aircraft at the moment.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's six twenty five trending now warehouse the real house
of fragrances.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Now we mentioned Venezuela at the start of the shot
of the USA is General r Ford is big aircraft
carriers in the region. Knowing this troop build up now
it sort of knows what Trump's thinking at the moment
of he's thinking anything at all. Into Robert J. O'Neill.
So he's a Navy seal. He fired the shots that
killed Bin Laud, and he's got a podcast. He talks
about seal training, especially the underwater part involved in carrying

(13:24):
whites and tying knots and bringing heavy objects back to
the surface.

Speaker 7 (13:28):
Out of people in seal training, they don't realize the
instructors aren't gonna kill you.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
You're gonna safe spots.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Just chill out. You drowned, they're gonna revive you. If
that instructor lets me drown, they're gonna fire him. He
doesn't want get fire. He's gonna say a lot of
guys drowned, but they resuscitate them. There's been dead, It's
been not a lot, not as many as there couldn't.

Speaker 8 (13:43):
Wasn't there one in yours?

Speaker 7 (13:44):
No, he died for a minute and then he came back.
So my buddy John was on his last attempts, on
his last not his final knot, and he drownts. So
the instructor came down and got him, and they're trying
to resuscitate this dude. We hear John after like a
minute and a half, split up all the water and
the first thing he said when he came back to.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Life was did I pass?

Speaker 7 (13:59):
And the structor said, yeah, you passed, and he goes,
thank god, I finally tied that fifth knot, said look
I'm in a really good mood right now, so I'm
going to let you in on a little secret. I
don't care how many knots you know how to tie.
It's not part of the curriculum right to become a
Navy seal. My job simply is to see how far
you'll push yourself. You just killed yourself. You passed it
down test.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
That dying and then coming back. That's that's that's the thing,
Mike Waiazuba. No different self employed. Well, the key there
you've used the word self employed. So the case which
is interesting and we'll talk to Brook van Velden about
it shortly, self employed is not a contractor. They're completely
different things. So in generally speaking, in the real estate area,

(14:36):
you are self employed. You are your own business, and
you know, you claim this and cut that, and pay
your acc and do all those other interesting things. What
they were arguing about is being a contractor basically with
no rights. And so that's where the law has been interesting.
So I'm assuming the government knows that they were going
to get pinged on this particular law. So the broad
question is what do you do about a economy if

(14:58):
any number of courts go looked at the gig economy
and as it stands legally speaking in this country, it's
not good enough. So Brook van Velden's got a bit
of work in front of her and she will talk
to us directly after the news, which is next here
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Speaker 1 (15:11):
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
A sabotagejehn Poland's railway. The main line that links Warsaw
with Ukraine has been blown up. So we'll get the
latest with Captain Field. Meantime back here at twenty three
or seven. Not a great day for Ruber as the
Supreme Court back to the Appeal Court in the employment
courts decisions in deciding the Nuba drivers are employees not contractors.
Like a number of other cases internationally, the move appears
to be towards greater worker status and the idea of

(15:43):
the gig economy and its inherent freedoms has been judicially
sliced to pieces. Brook van Velden is Workplace Relations Minister
and it's with us. Good morning, good morning mate. Do
you have a problem here.

Speaker 12 (15:55):
Oh, look, one thing I know that we have a
problem with is business certainty, which is what I am
trying to build back. And as part of the gig
economy that you've talked about, I think New Zealand does
need to ensure that we have a gig economy, that
we have flexible work and that's why I'm creating a
new legal test to give businesses more certainty that they

(16:15):
can use contractors and that contractors have the ability to
be contractors. So that law is coming early next year.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Do you have an amount of clarity that would allow
you to be confident that if a similar case was
taken under your new law, the same result wouldn't ensue.

Speaker 12 (16:35):
What will happen is I'm not intending things to be retrospective,
but there will be four tests that need to be
met for a company to show that who they hire
as a contractor. That's pretty simple. Does the person have
a written agreement that says they are an independent contractor? Yep?
Does the worker have any restrictions from working for others?

(16:57):
If so, then no. Does the business terminate the agreement
for not accepting an additional task? Well, you can't do that.
And is the worker required to be available for certain times.
But if they are, can they subcontract the work? And
so if this test is met and it's in black
and white, then the law will say that person is

(17:19):
no an employee.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Tricky part for this case, and I find it fascinating,
is that I understood that if you want to be
an Uber driver, I mean, if you want what these
full drivers wanted, don't work for Uber. And yet they didn't.
They want to jerymander the whole thing, and they've been
successful in gerrymandering it. So do you see the problem
in the law that the court saw?

Speaker 12 (17:41):
Look, I don't. I look at it and fully respect
the law and the courts, but I look at what
we need more of a New Zealand, which is a
bit more certainty. And there is what's called a Section
six test under the Employment relations Act where people can
go in and have a look at the real relationship test.
It's called of the relationship. I would say that that's

(18:04):
still a little too much gray area for businesses to
provide more jobs for people. So let's make it really clear.
If they meet this gateway test, then it's not an
employee relationship. It's a contractor relationship. I think that will
lead to more work outcomes for kiwis right.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So what I'm asking really is, you don't see what
the court has done as interventionist. They just read the
law as it stands and the law needs changing, or
do you see this indivenduous and therefore it's a potential
problem going down the track.

Speaker 12 (18:32):
Look, I think they have abided by what the law
allows them to do. I don't think currently the law
is as good as it could be, which is why
I'm stepping in to create a new change to the
law to make it very, very simple. What will that
distinction between an employee and a contractor be? And I'm
sure there are other jurisdictions around the world who are

(18:53):
grappling with the same issue, But I think you know,
in the online platform based world that would go to
see more of in the future. We are going to
see people with very flexible work. We're going to see
people with multiple agreements at any time of the day,
and companies and contractors need a bit more certainty about
what does that actually mean for me going forward.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Good stuff, Nice to talk to you, appreciate it very much.
Book ban Velden, who has the workplace relations and Safety
Minister talk with Catherine in Europe in just a couple
of moments.

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(20:36):
explained it fairly, clearly and simply, and if you can
get that across the line, there should be some genuine clarity.
But the workplace is changing and breeding. This a company
called Byte Direct, which runs appliances Direct. This is in
the UK. The boss, they're the biggest online retailer in
the country. He says two thirds of his workforce are
going because of AI. Two thirds of his workforce are

(20:57):
going because of AI. So the world is changing.

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Speaker 2 (21:10):
Now the railway line, what happened here? Who's responsible? And
what's TUSK gonna do about it.

Speaker 14 (21:15):
Oh well, yes, this has been a rather difficult weekend
in Poland. There have been two unprecedented acts of sabotage
on the railway lines there.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
Now.

Speaker 14 (21:25):
Both of these sabotage acts were on critical railway lines
that used to carry aid deliveries to Ukraine. So you
can imagine who the first thought which would be responsible
for these attacks. Who they think it would be. They
haven't officially said that they suspect Moscow's behind the attacks,
but they are talking about it. What we saw with

(21:49):
the biggest one of course, was intended to blow up
a train. The train wasn't there, but a big section
of the track was exploded. We had another incident also
on that main railway line that goes into Ukraine, where
an overheadline forced an emergency top of a passenger trained
four hundred and seventy odd passengers on board. So they're

(22:12):
very concerned about this. Obviously in Poland, there's going to
be National Security Council meeting there on Tuesday morning. A
big problem. Of course, they do have that huge border
with Ukraine, and of course they.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Have that long one hundred and twenty kilometer.

Speaker 14 (22:26):
Long railway line that she's used to take all this vital,
vital food and other need into Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
H Actually, speaking of Ukraine, Zelenski I noticed over the
weekend was in Greeceed doing a gas deal. Now he's
in Paris doing a plane deal. So outline that, but
also work in this business. How serious is the the
kickbacks alleged for as Justice and Energy minister.

Speaker 14 (22:52):
Yeah, these are allegations that millions of dollars has been
embezzled by individuals they say can to Ukraine's energy sect
in the allegation is that something between ten and fifteen
percent of total contracts will demanded in kickbacks. That would
be to avoid delays or losing contractors status. Now the

(23:17):
thing is here is it is Mike, some of these
contracts related to that vital construction of protective structures to
shield Ukraine's energy infrastructure from Russian attacks. So two Ukrainian
ministers have resigned over the scandal. Both deny involvement. However,
it is sticking around Zelensky, and when he came to

(23:38):
Paris this morning, Emanuel man Cromol had to make a
statement saying that he believes Zolensky can successfully bring corruption
in his country under control. It's always been a big problem,
particularly also for the EU when they've been handing out
huge sums of money to Ukraine that it does have
a history of corruption. But nevertheless, yeah, you're quite right.

(24:00):
Zelensky has been in Paris signing an agreement to buy
one hundred Raphael fighter jets. Now this is, if you like,
this is France's crown jewels of combat aircraft. Questioners though, Mike,
when will they get them?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
How will they pay for them?

Speaker 14 (24:16):
Well, it takes three years to build one of these jets,
takes five years to train the pilots, so obviously France
is looking at something further down the road. Each of
these fighter jets cost around sixteen billion New Zealand dollars,
so looking at a lot of very expensive kit but

(24:36):
also not forgetting Mike, you know that Zilensky's as it
comes at a real crucial time for him.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Winters come.

Speaker 14 (24:43):
Russians are slowly edging into new parts of Ukraine, and
everyone's now realized that US President Donald Trump has not
managed to get putin to the negotiating table.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
No, here's not this German things. Are we living in
a world which this can go down? Well, so the
new government in Germany, they've got one hundred and eighty
two thousand troops in the army. They want to build
Europe's biggest standing army. They want to boost the two
hundred and sixty thousand, So the eighteen year olds are
going to have to front up. Can you say to
an eighteen year old German kid, we'll grab you for
the army for a while. Is that how the world

(25:16):
works these days? Well, it may well be.

Speaker 14 (25:20):
It's not unusual, but in Europe to still have conscription,
Mike here, a lot of those northern countries bordering Russia
still has conscription. Of Finland, Norway, Lithuania, Sweden, they all
have it. What the Germans are saying is the world
is different now and they need to have recruits with
a willingness to serve. What they're going to do at

(25:40):
the moment is have voluntary conscription. But everyone's got to
come forward, so you've got a register. Another way of
making it more attractive is they're going to up the pay,
So they're looking at having something between five thousand dollars
a month and five five hundred dollars a month and
also perhaps being able to sort of, if you like,

(26:02):
out of your conscriptions. So rather than signing up for
the full two years, maybe just sign up for six months,
then you go back to civilian life, then you go
back for another six months.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
So this is what they're hoping.

Speaker 14 (26:12):
But as you said, Mike, it's a real sign of
the times.

Speaker 15 (26:15):
Now in Europe.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Oh, it's a pleasure, Catherine. Catch up with you soon,
Catherine Field out of Europe. I must ask a question
sometimes about the frozen assets. Remember they're freezing the assets
of the Russians and they're eventually going to start paying
for everything with a frozen asset. And they had a
meeting about that the other day, but I can't remember
what happened. So I'll do some research and come back
to you. At ten to seven, the.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
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Speaker 2 (26:35):
Had been like the pros n assets have been stopped
by Euroclear in the Belgian government as they realize it's
illegal to steal someone else's stuff. Grant that's debatable, of course.
Funny there's a group that has been working on Putin's office.
He's got three officers, but you're not supposed to know that.
So whenever he does something from his office. They say
he's in Moscow, but he might or might not be,

(26:58):
but they look identical. But this group has been working
for years, thousands of hours of video footage, and they've
seen a couple of things that give them away. One
of them is the door handle height, and one of
them's were the PowerPoint on the walls. And if you
look really closely in different offices, you can work that.
The idea is he's somewhere you don't know, so you
don't blow them up.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
It's a sixplays a lot because I've always thought it
looks like something out of a nineteen seventy sitcom.

Speaker 16 (27:22):
Six.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's a cent five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
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Speaker 2 (27:33):
Supermarket got the prices yesterday. Prices up four point seven
percent compared with last October. Now that's good because it
was five percent, so we're getting there. Grocery sector biggest
increases four point nine meat, poultry, fish, seven point six bad.
Average price for two liters of milk based on the
cheapest available option for seventy eight, which is up thirteen
and a half percent. Instant coffee up twenty five and

(27:54):
a half percent to seven eighty eight. If I get
timing out to tell you about my coffee experience, I'm
roasting my own beans. Super exciting changer, life changer. I've
never been the same. Cheese up thirty percent seven eighty eight,
Eggs up eighteen and a half percent to ten bucks
a dozen or thereabouts a monthly basis, as I say,
are zero point three percent down. So we are getting

(28:15):
their vegies. I don't know why we do vegis. It's
all seasonal. Sometimes they're up, sometimes they're down. Kiwi fruit's
up forty eight percent. For God's sake, apples are up
seven foodstuffs weighed and they said, look at our cabbages.
Have you seen our cabbages. They're up sixty five percent. So,
I mean, what's the obvious answer there? Don't buy cabbages.
Who likes cabbage anyway, so don't buy them. A leg

(28:37):
a lamb up forty one percent. Drinking chocolate up thirty
one percent. That's the chocolate problem, of course. Cheese up
thirty percent. God, this is depressing your power bill up
one million percent, rates up five thousand percent. Olive oil
is down here you go. Olive oil is down twenty percent,
so they've rained in Spain falls mainly on the plane,

(28:57):
which means the olive oil price goes down. Capsicums down
twenty four percent. Bargain and the capsucums. I'm growing my
own capsicums. Two, I'm racing their own beans. I'm growing
own capskins, homegrown capsicums. Oh my god, unbelievable. Also, I'm
growing weird, growing our own salary, which I thought was
a waste of time. I thought this is going to
be a disaster. But we're pulling up the salary absolutely delicious, unbelievable.

(29:20):
Kumra is down fourteen percent. By the way, grow your
own stuff, folks, That's what I say. Get yourself off grid.
You'll never look back. Chris Bishop funny as yesterday talk
about cars in a moment.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
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Speaker 2 (29:41):
Seven past seven is a big move on the cost
of importing cars. The government slashing emissions charges, the Clean
Vehicle Standard, which basically gives you credits for evs and
a bill for v eights is going to get heavily
reduced to saving of around two hundred and sixty million
dollars while they sort of work out what to do next.
Chris Bishop is the Transport Minister and is with us morning.

Speaker 17 (29:58):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
I was watching you yes yesterday and this is not
a criticism of you, but you look like you had
a headache. And this is what you get when your
jurymandera market, isn't.

Speaker 18 (30:06):
It Well, it's a complicated you do not the first
business say that. Actually it's a complicated situation. And trying
to explain to people exactly how it works. It's like explaining,
you know, algorithmic chess or something. It is hard because
you've got these credits and these penalties. I mean, the
short point is basically the standard is too onerous. And

(30:27):
that's after we made some changes by the way, from
the last So the last guy's introduced this labor introduced
at twenty twenty three. We made some changes in twenty
four to bring it into a line with Australia. Everyone
thought that would be working, it would be a sensible solution.
It didn't because the bottom's falling out of the EV
market and there are real supply constraints coming out of
Japan in particular, so the importers just can't get the
supply to bring them to the market, and when they

(30:48):
can bring them in, Keywis don't really want them at
the moment. So you've got all of these importers have
got massive amount of penalties, eighty six percent are in
a penalty position, and they just don't have the supply
to bring the credits in. So that will all flow
through to consumers on the first of January next year
unless we do something.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
But can you explain is there another market out there
where a government imposes themselves on a person who imports
a product that people don't want. I mean, what sort
of markets that.

Speaker 18 (31:16):
Well, most countries have a form of this, so not
a clean vehicle standard. Well, most countries don't do it
in the complicated way we do it. They just have
a you've got to meet various different fuel economy standards.
So that's partly what we want to do over the
next six months. Well, we are going to do a
short term fix relieve pressure on people, and then we're
going to have a proper look at it. And the

(31:36):
actual industry supports it.

Speaker 17 (31:38):
This is the thing.

Speaker 18 (31:38):
So the vehicle they used vehicle guys and the clean
the new car people support having a standard, they just
want it to be a sensible one.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So we just got to figure out what that is.
Have you figured it out in your mind? I mean,
because I can't figure it out, because here's the problem.
I know when I want to buy as a car.
I'm the punter. I've got the money. I know when
I want to buy as a car. Right, So the
car I drive to work this morning's a V eight
and I like driving a V eight and that's what
I do. So you can import what you want. I'm
going to buy what I want. And that's your conundrum,
isn't it.

Speaker 17 (32:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (32:07):
And it's the next question is how much do you
care about the emissions of the V eight mic?

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Not remote? How much do you couldn't care?

Speaker 18 (32:15):
Well, fair enough, but the country's got obligations around it,
and you know we've got we've got to know, over
time reduce emissions. But then you say, well, actually we've
got an a missions trading scheme to do that. So
do you actually need a clean vehicle standard on top
of that, because you've already got the emissions trading scheme
so when you fill your car up, you pay petrol
tax right when you pay, and you also pay quite

(32:35):
a high carbon charge. You probably don't actually you know,
you don't actually pay that at the pump, but you
are like because the price you pay is higher, and
so you know, you say, well, do you actually need
a separate mechanism?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
So we're just going to go through all those conversations.

Speaker 18 (32:47):
There are good arguments for and against each of them.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Yes, there are, what do you think? And I know
you gave the Russia example yesterday and they're the only
people without one, So you don't want to be aligned
with Russia? But is there anything actually just forget your
your obsession with Paris and twenty fifty and all that stuff,
just for a moment, just as a libertarian, as a
free thinker, is there any reason why you wouldn't have
done the whole thing completely and just let people get
on with life. I just lost you there to say

(33:11):
that again, oh whatever, the old tricky question at the
end of the interview, and you're lost.

Speaker 19 (33:15):
I just lost you.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I'm going around the going round the bays.

Speaker 18 (33:18):
Yeah, I lost you at your obsession with Paris, which
we're not assessed with by the way.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
But well, yeah, but what I'm saying, why wouldn't you
because was because Russia is the only one in the
world without one. So I get that part. But what's
to stop you just dropping it and making life simple
for everybody?

Speaker 18 (33:33):
Well, one practical complication is that there's a whole bunch
of people with penalties and some people with credits they
don't expire all to twenty twenty eight, and so they
are a properly right right, you know, they sit on
people's balance sheets. So you're trying so I'm picking that, well,
I'm picking that as difficult. I'm not saying it's impossible.
We're just going to work our way through that. It's
not impossible, but you know there's some complications to it.

(33:53):
Having inherited this dog of a scheme, we're now having
to fix it and that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Okay, I appreciate your time, Chris Buship. It's pretty you
didn't have a second tune to go through. Hey, going
around the base eleven minutes past seven, assuming is in Wellington.
Now we've got a new reportant of the geopolitical I'll
explain that car thing because I bit you if you're
not into cars. You go, what the hell was that
interview all about? And how does it work? But I'll
come back to it later. We got a new reportant

(34:17):
of the geopolitical forces shape in global architecture agriculture rather
rabobankers warning us next to you could mark a new
era where traditional market forces no longer fully dictate prices
or production. So, Sarah, the show of courses as you
it's trying to stand off at the moment, and there
are among beans or soy beans or whatever they're arguing over.
Doctor Jacqueline Rowath is NA A junct professor and agroscience
Lincoln University. Jacqueline, good morning to you.

Speaker 20 (34:39):
Good morning, good morning.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Now is this any different from what we deal with
at the moment? I mean, geopolitics is a major for
I mean we saw it with beef over the weekend
from Donald Trump, didn't we.

Speaker 21 (34:49):
Well, that's all part of it. And I think that
we've been through a period of actual relative calm in
terms of geopolitics. But we're going back to the olden
days sort of pre the nineteen forty five era. We've
got huge swings about powers and our major strength is
that we are trusted we're still forced on the Transparency

(35:10):
International Index. People trust us to do what we say
will do, so they will continue to negotiate with us.
And of course we produce quick product.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yes we do, and people want beef, and so we
sell more beef to the Americans. What about the soybean
situation in Minnesota. I mean, if you're a soybean farmer
in Minnesota and Trump's running the place and they're not
getting it, what do you do? How do you plant?
How do you plan?

Speaker 21 (35:30):
It's very difficult for them, and that does affect the
feed prices for the animals that they have in barns
over in the USA. It also affects a course they're
trade with China. So we watch those interactions with extreme
interest while thinking what it might mean for New Zealand
and dairy products. Will it be more desirable if things

(35:51):
over there are more expensive or will it be less
so because Trump will probably start subsidizing things for the farmers. Absolutely,
they've got problems this is over in America.

Speaker 17 (36:02):
But what can we say?

Speaker 21 (36:03):
Trump changes his mind all the time, as we saw
over the weekend, and that's that is just when they
elected him.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Than well exactly, and you can't plan for that sort
of thing. And we've seen grain with Ukraine and the war,
so you never know when a war is So what
we're suggesting is the more unstable the planet is, the
more uncertain doing businesses.

Speaker 21 (36:22):
Yes, absolutely, And there are other implications with all this uncertainty,
things like fertilizers, agrochemicals. Have been some concerned about that
in New Zealand, and that makes our products more difficult
to produce. So this whole uncertainty, that's why people are
saying we should diversify. But we must remember that we're
the best producers, least impact producers of highest quality animal

(36:44):
protein and people need animal protein for their health. So
we're in a good position because of that. And we're small, Mike,
We're just small, and and.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
We're agile because of it. Jackvill and always a pleasure
to have you on the program. Jacquelin Row with Edgent,
professor and negroscience at Lincoln University. I think overall will
be okay, and that might totally agrea. I've got a
good crop of Jersey Beni's coming along nicely for Christmas. Mike,
have been thinking about roasting my own beans. What roasting
technique are you using hah, I'll come back to that, Mike,
scorched armonds of double and price to ten dollars. Well,
there's the lesson donate them.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
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Speaker 2 (37:21):
Welcome Turnabill former Australian Prime Minister after right for you.
Seventeen past seven change coming to the road. Sellyn District
Council about to trail a new rubber road surface which
is a first for the country State Highway seventy seven's
Glen Tunnel. It's going to be using recycled rubber granules.

Speaker 20 (37:34):
Now.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Brad Piece is the CEO of Treadlight New Zealand, Anders
with us. Brad morning, Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 10 (37:40):
Have we taking me on the show?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Not at all, great pleasure. We talked before because I've
done a number of interviews about this and I feel
that this has been on the bubble for a while.
Is that true?

Speaker 10 (37:48):
Yeah, it is in Mike, I know that you've certainly
had a chat with the Dale Rose and her team
from Thaiwise, the government stewardship that's been pushing this along
for fifteen years now, and now we're seeing to get
in traction fantastic.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
So the rubber is literally about to hit the road.

Speaker 10 (38:06):
We've been working really hard on this. You know, we're
coming to Alive from Cambridge, which is the heart of
innovation for New Zealand, and we've got a fantastic team
down here. We've invested, we're good to go. We're taken
away all the barriers to get it done.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Okay, so how much are you going to lay initially
and at what price? And how long does it last
compared with what we normally use.

Speaker 10 (38:27):
Yeah, So we've been working with a team down in
christ It so they've been fantastic. I think our visionaries
down there, they're looking at ways to it different. The
sciences and rubber and roads has been around for a
long long time globally and I've kind of grabbed it
down there and looking to do things differently. So when
they rub a road, when they put the rubber down

(38:49):
into the road, they use about a ten percent mix
of rubber granule into it and that gives the road.
It makes it quieter, large, it's about twenty percent longer,
and it's using a valuable resource that we're taking out
a landfills and giving another life.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
So how long's the trial for? I mean you put
a bit of road down west of Darfield, you see
if it works. Assuming it does, are we often running
all over the country or not?

Speaker 20 (39:16):
Yeah, we believe.

Speaker 10 (39:17):
So we've taken away all the barriers that there's no
reason why now the contractors shouldn't be doing us. It's
standard for Australia, South Africa, the US, Canada standard fear now,
so this isn't new technology. This is just New Zealand
catching up.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
We're just getting on with it. Brad pc I appreciate
you time very much. Brad Pus, who's the CEO of
tread Light from Cambridge? This morning the Home of Innovation.
We got a well it's not a new political party,
but they seem to have changed their name and they
changed their policy as well. So i'll outline this week
in just a couple of moments.

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(41:04):
seven twenty four, welcome back opportunity. I think I've got
that part right. Opportunity is the former the Opportunities Party.
They've dropped the V and the party and now it's
just Opportunity, new leader, new tax policy. They've been looking
for a leader for ages, even advertised if you remember.
None of this is a good sign, of course. Their
biggest problem, as far as I can work out, as

(41:25):
the market is full, there is no room for another
political party right here in this country. There's no room
ten years ago. There's even less room now. You could argue.
I don't, but you could that as the MMP environment
evolves and matures, some nuance is sought by a frustrated electorate,
a boutique operator, if you will, as the major parties fade,
and that's already happened, of course, the days of National

(41:45):
Labour cracking forty are well gone. The days of even
a two party government might well be gone as well.
So as it all fragment, surely there must be room
for a small operator wedging its way in between, say
National and Labor, as a sort of midway, subtle alternati.
Trouble is and I argue this years ago when Gareth
Morgan was running the joint. Five percent is actually a

(42:05):
lot of votes and very few of any cracket. Look
at acts journey for years. They needed a deal in
EPSOM to work the system in that coattail. There's a
reason Unit had vanished. What they should have done is
run Morgan in an electorate. Name recognition would have helped.
He may have got the seat, got two percent, had
a party of two or three MP's. Being in and
staying in is easier than getting there in the first place.

(42:28):
And here's the other issue. Nuance is not what we
do anymore. That's why radicals are gaining support all over
the world, from Hanson and Australia to the minor players
who make up governments and places like Holland and Germany.
You need to be more left or right than center.
Could we also argue, actually that New Zealand First is
centrist given they're the only party that can legitimately at
the moment anyway claim the ability to deal with either

(42:48):
national or Labor. So the field's taken. So good on
them for keeping the opportunity dream alive. I guess still
here after a decade. I guess either visionaries whose time
is yet to come or dreamers who can't read the room.
Asking Mike, you should care about your car emissions.

Speaker 10 (43:06):
Why what for?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You don't know my footprint. My footprint and other aspects
of my life might offset my carbon emissions. I may
indulge in carbon emissions from a car, but offset by
I don't know, grawing my own vegetables at home and
roasting my own coffee beans. You see, and wandering around
barefoot looking like a homeless person. Mike, that was an
expert level dodging by Chris Bishop. Please keep asking questions,
so Paris is pointless and costing his books. Thing about

(43:33):
old Christopher yesterday, I don't think and he's a bright guy,
don't get me wrong. It's not a criticism. Even he
was struggling to explain what the system is. And here's
the fundamental problem with the system. Importers of cars are
either pinged or they're given credits. But they're given credits
to bring in things we don't want. And there is
no business model in the world where you are rewarded

(43:56):
for bringing in things you can't sell because that it's
not a market. It's stupid. It's there's an ev Look
at it. Isn't that beautiful? Well, yes it is. Do
you want to buy it?

Speaker 6 (44:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I don't. But I get credits for bringing them in,
and I, as a customer, goes, so what, I'm not
buying your car, Give me a V eight. Oh, but
I get charged to bring in a V eight. I
don't care. I want a V eight. You've got to
meet the market. That's how markets work. In the moment,
you juryman to the market because you went to Paris
a decade ago. That's when you get yourself in trouble.

(44:28):
And that's why they've got the problem they've got at
the moment. Let's talk to the coppers in just a second.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
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Speaker 2 (44:44):
B michae Willers lawd change, be retrospective and affect other companies.
Gary Good question, this is going back to uber Yes
and no. The government has already said no, we don't
do retrospectivity, which is wise of a government. But a
new law in and of itself, if you think about it,
becomes retrospective, doesn't it, Because suddenly it's the law of
the land and people have to adhere to it. Twenty
three minutes away from eight welcome turnables in the country.

(45:07):
We'll have a word with him after eight to tight
this morning. Meantime, we're up to phase three of the
Police and Health New Zealand's move on their mental health
response program. So Phase three is the ship to health
led handling. That's police only attending true emergencies.

Speaker 11 (45:19):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Mike Johnson as the Assistant Police Commissioner on this one
and he's with us.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Morning to you morning, Mike, how would you assess phase
one and two?

Speaker 16 (45:29):
Look, I think those phases have worked well. What we've
seen is seventy five percent reduction and mental health patients
in our selves for assessment firstly, and our calls for
service we've seen we are at about five and a
half thousand calls for service in the last month compared
to a year ago which was about six four hundred,

(45:52):
which just gives you an idea of the volumes that
we're working with here.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, exactly, it was time being wasted or have other
people in the ensuing period stepped in to do what
you were doing.

Speaker 16 (46:05):
Look, time hasn't been wasted from a police perspective, absolutely,
because we've got our staff, our police officers out there
doing the work that the public expects that only we
can do with the tools.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
No, that's what I meant by the question was when
you were sitting in an ed ward for six hours
and nothing was actually happening, and you were just waiting
for something to you know, and now you're out in
the field. Were you wasting your time sitting in the
ed war doing nothing going nowhere?

Speaker 16 (46:33):
Well, it wasn't advancing the safety of our communities. It
wasn't from a police perspective, doing what I believe and
police believe we need our officers to do. I think
the community expects that others have stepped in mic and Look,
change is always hard, and mental health is a very
difficult topic. Having worked with this or my career, but

(46:53):
also what have focused on this more recently obviously.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah, what's a true emergency quote unquote, Yeah, well.

Speaker 16 (47:01):
This is an interesting one. We're seeing that the rhetoric
around this. Look, we will I just want to be
really clear on this because it's really important. Police will
always respond when there's an offense or an immediate risk
to life or safety. That does not change and in
that case, whether it's mental health professionals or members of
the public. One one one is the way to get

(47:23):
into our system and prioritize absolutely a priority for us,
and we will deal with that. Phase three that launched
on Monday this week is about that non emergency requests,
requests for services for police, assistance from mental health services
and missing person reports from mental health inpatient unit and

(47:45):
EDS and we've just streamlined that assessment and the non
emergency component in this phase.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Miney, how long before this thing shakes down? Do you
gave us those numbers before? Is this evolving? And in
a year's time we can all get together and see
where it's at or is this it?

Speaker 16 (48:05):
No, this is a four phased approach. The last phase
for Phase four, strangely is in the new year, and
we're looking to have this completed by the middle of
next year.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
All right, we'll stay in touch. Preciated very much, Mike Johnson,
who's the police Assistant commissioner on that particular matter. Nineteen
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as contractors. Any one of these so called contractors could
take a case against their employers that they choose to,
but they don't. In most cases they're ignorant of their

(48:42):
rights or apathetic. It creates an unequal playing field as
it's more cost effective to run a contractor model. Obviously
it's more beneficial for homeowners for the status quota remain.
We run an employee model. Always have what's the right answer? Well,
the answer is there is no right answer unless you,
as an employer and an employee, decide it's the right answer.
And then that is the relationship, and in that is

(49:02):
the workplace. And if you're not happy, I've always said,
go elsewhere. It is nineteen to.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
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powered by News Talks at me.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Getting a bit of feedback on the Hipkins News g Mike,
it's so exciting getting hourly updates on hipkins engagement on
the news and getting a little bit about this morning.
I'm not against it personally. I think a potential prime
minister announcing his engagement is something to be happy about,
something to be congratulated. I would have thought, I mean,
I don't want to I don't want any more of it.
I don't want to see it in the Woman's Weekly,

(49:37):
and I don't want it to be a feature of
the campaign, and then I don't want to follow his wedding.
But you know, the announcement's okay, five point three to
three million of us if you missed that number yesterday.
Median age. By the way, the males are younger than
the females, so it's all a bunch of cougar's out there.
Isn't at the moment. So the average median age of
women's thirty nine and the average male is thirty seven.

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We grew by thirty two let's call it thirty three thousand.
We went up by thirty three thousand natural population growth
sixty two percent increase of that thirty two thousand, because
no one comes into the country anymore because the immigration
well they do. Lots of people come into the country,
but of course lots of people are leaving, and then
that's the problem. There were fifty seven thousand birth thirty
seven thousand deaths, so more people came into the world

(50:20):
than left it. So overall are four hundred people and
that was net migration, and that's the problem. Let me
tell you about just quickly, my coffee, and there's two
stories about coffee. I'm all about saving money, so I've
long been an advocate and the POSPO industry hates me
for it, but I've long been an advocate of get
yourself a good coffee machine, make your own coffee at home.
You'll save yourself a fortune. Right, You'll payoff your machine

(50:43):
even if you get a good one in a couple
of years time, from the money you save. Now new development.
I got a coffee roasting machine and I thought, is
this going to be interesting? And the main part of
the story is it's made by a company called Cafe Logic,
who are in Dunedin. Now, Cafe Logic sadly are one
of the few remaining manufacturers of appliances in this country.

(51:06):
So in other words, we are not a manufacturer of appliances,
and I think that's a sad state of affairs, because
we can produce appliances. And these people are a classic
example because the machine they produce is used by the
majority of winners of international competitions. So, in other words,
professional roasters use this machine in international competitions. And when

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you look at all the people who win these competitions,
about sixty percent of those people. We're using this cafe
logic machine. So not only do we produce a machine,
we produce a world class machine. So why aren't we
better at manufacturing world class products? So that's number one?
Second thing? I think, how much of beans? Green beans
are thirty bucks? You can pay thirty five if you

(51:50):
want a kilo. Now you do the quick math. I
looked up the supermarket coffee at twelve bucks for two
hundred grams, So you do the math on that. That's
forty eight dollars fifty dollars sixty do as a kiload
depending on what you're buying and whether it's on special
blah blah blah. So you're doing half the price for
green beans. So automatically you're saving money left, right and center.
So if you're doing on my old measure of ten

(52:11):
cups a bag, you're doing coffee at about seventy cents
a cup. So ask yourself, next time you're paying five
and a half dollars, this is for espresso. After next
time you're paying five and a half bucks for espresso
in a cafe, Why are you paying five and a
half when you can do it at home for seventy
cents or maybe a dollar at max. You're saving a fortune,
and of course you're having fun. And what I discovered

(52:32):
also is your house smells incredible because of course when
you roast your own beans, and it's a simple machine,
you just put the beans.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
How many beans I'm just looking at?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Does one hundred and twenty grams?

Speaker 8 (52:41):
So you'll do That's not very much, is it?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Not many? But I mean takes ten minutes. If you
want more, do more? Do twenty minutes worth? Do two
hundred and forty. You've got a bag's worth a bag
last few week, so you do two lots. Yeah they're
two hundred grams, but so you do one twenty two
lots of one twenty is two hundred and forty. So
you've got a bag the glen.

Speaker 8 (52:58):
So you done buy the Barista bears and they're seven
hundred and fifty grams.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Well, therefore you've spent spend an hour on a Saturday
making a kilo of coffee beans. Save yourself a fortune.
All I'm saying, I reckon you can pay the machine
off in savings in six months. You can pay a
coffee machine off in less than two years. So in
two years, two and a bit years, you can be
in business and every single coffee you make from then

(53:22):
on is saving you money. It's free coffee. Now why
wouldn't you do that? So anyway, that's my big discovery
at the moment. And you can do all the recipes
and that sort of thing. If you're into that sort
of thing, you can change it up and buy different
beans in different countries and different places, different altitudes and
all that. But the basic as you throw the beans
and put go. Ten minutes later, bomb, there's your bean.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Have you got the chaff collector?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
I've got a chaff collector. You need a chef collector
because that's what happens post the beans. But you see
the beans, they go well, they jumble around, they go brown,
and the house smells incredible and the coffee tastes incredible,
and you've saved yourself money. I'm growing capsicums, I'm roasting
my beans.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
Come on, does it collect up other chef or just no,
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Unfortunately the other cheff Ragi house. You've got to get
yourself turn away from it.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
For the Mike Hosking Breakfast were the defender and use
tog ted b.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Mike, we don't all do that because some of us
don't want to sit at home roasting our own beans
while watching the silly NFL. See if I was fragile,
I could need a mental health day off for that,
because that's like straight up and down abuse. Seven away,
seven away from eight. Now, someone's going to be a

(54:31):
little bit different this year at Russell's Wrongabay Holiday Parks.
So they're taking out the tellies. They're encouraging visitors to
get out, get back to nature, and they will become
one of the first holiday parks in the country actually
to go completely TV three TV three and now Shane
Madden is the park manager and he's with a Shane,
very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (54:49):
Oh good morning, Mike.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
How are we very well?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Thank you? Have you done it or you're about to
do it?

Speaker 17 (54:54):
Now it's all gone the moment we sort of head
floated the idea a the owners said they thought it
would be an excellent proposition. We removed it that weekend.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Fantastic And have you had pushback feedback so far?

Speaker 7 (55:09):
No?

Speaker 17 (55:09):
I mean we here, we engage pretty heavily with our
guests as they come in generally, so we let them
know what's happening. We've got lots of activities here on
our Rustle Peninsula, which I'm sure most people will know
we're on the Bay Holiday part. Fortunate enough that we
have opportunities to see Key here, which is one of
our latest awards that we've just received. So we won't
be able to provide that experience for not only our

(55:32):
local people of New Zealand, but also people for around
the world.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
The thing about the TV people who want to watch something,
They're on their screens anyway, aren't they.

Speaker 17 (55:41):
That's the thing. It's about discouraging that and reducing that
opportunity because as we know, everyone has cell phones, they
all have internet access on their cell phones. But this
is an opportunity to perhaps re engage with our land,
re engage with your family. For couples particularly maybe important.
We are a declining population. That's it's our TVs at

(56:02):
nighttime that are troubling this situation we're in, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Exactly. So what about the weather though? What about when
it's rainy, you know, and they're stuck in size we're
in the winters, I mean, it's what about range rain
to clear the air.

Speaker 17 (56:24):
That's also part of it. So too often where we're
without power sometimes up here with our power companies, so
it's probably best not to have TVs.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Very good points, carry on, no, no, it's all good.
What are the bookings like for summer?

Speaker 17 (56:41):
Very very full at the moment. It's probably been the
biggest season coming into it. It's already been pre booked
a lot of it. We've had a huge increase in
the numbers of schools that are coming to utilize our camp.
We are the Bay of Islands is one of our
most significant historical areas, so we have our schools now
returning up here.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Is excellent, good, good, good.

Speaker 17 (57:03):
You know, we have lots of other activities. Very grateful
to the Predator Free Russell, our Russell Land Care Trust
because without them you probably wouldn't have the kiwis that
we do have here.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
It's fantastic. Well, you have a good summer and I'm
glad you've taken the televisions out and I hope people
get out into the wilderness and enjoy it and soak
it up. Shane Madden, who's with the Russell of Wrongabay
Holiday Park, Mike, I hope the coffee beans and the
capsican are organic. Of course they are. That was the
problem we had we ran into the problem with the salary,
so the salary was to be I've got to come

(57:34):
clean on the salary. So the salary was the first lot.
I thought, this is a complete waste of time because
we've only got a smallish greenhouse. I isssued the very
explicit instructions. Let's not plant stuff that takes up acreage.
We don't have room for this. That's why we don't
grow potatoes and a greenhouse. Because waste of time. So
I thought, sprinkle a few radish seeds, that sort of stuff,

(57:54):
and some leaves we've gotten to the leaves, the ridicilo,
all that sort of thing. Anyway, suddenly I'm looking at
raddish as one day, I'm thinking they look like i'm
looking at sealery. I think that looks like salary that's
going to be hopeless. Anyway, pulled the whole thing out
of the ground, absolutely superb, the greatest what is a salary?
Is it a bunch of salary? Greatest bunch of salary
you've ever seen. Anyway, the next lot snails got to
it because I'm organic, and it was just a complete disaster.

Speaker 8 (58:16):
Snails in your glasshouse.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
It's a snails birds bees. You've got to encourage it. Glenn.
That's that's life inside the glasshouse. You want snails in there.
You want nails, you want flowers, you want pollination, you
want to hold nails. A couple of couple of possums
in the rats, they're all in there. It's it's just
a it's a monatic glasshouse or is it Noah's ark.
I don't know what it is. Anyway, the second the

(58:39):
second lot of salary hasn't worked out. I've got to
come clean on that. So so so I'm forever hope
for Malcolm Turnbull. He's been in the country, so we'll
talk about geopolitics and this most interesting region of ours
at the moment former Prime Minister of Australia. Of course
he is after the news, which.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Is next, asking the questions others won't the mic Hosking
with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life your Way news togs
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Speaker 2 (59:05):
Seven past eight, So former Australian playnist to Malcolm Turnbull
has been in the country and as we watch his
party for the part in Australia, how can we resist
the chatte that's before we get to the US and
China and the Pacific's she's a complex and fascinating old world.
Malcolm Turnbull, good morning.

Speaker 20 (59:20):
From morning to you two.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Now as you understand and observe it at the moment,
what do you reckons more important to Australia the Australia
US relationship or the Australia China relationship as regards to
the Pacific.

Speaker 20 (59:31):
Well, I think they're both. You know, they're both equally important.
You know, the relationship with the US is obviously the
bedrock of our security relationship and that's whereas the relationship
with China is much more focused on economics and that

(59:52):
our trade. But you know, the two these two superpowers
are absolutely critical partners. But you know, the security relationship,
I guess dominates in the American context, and of course
trade dominates in the China context.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
So talk about China and the Pacific Sea, Mike Burgess.
This week a CEO said some interesting things about the
Chinese and the way they're operating in this part of
the world. Does that worry I mean, did that worry
you when you were running Australia.

Speaker 20 (01:00:22):
Well, look, I think you've got the Defen's what you
meant by worry, it's it's you know, I'm not a
worried do get worried too easily, but the reality is
that China is a superpower. It is, you know, an
economic here equal or close to an equal of the
United States, and they're seeking to exert influence around the

(01:00:46):
world and in our region. So they're they're here, they're
part of our region. We you know, we want to
make sure that we want to maintain strong relations with
our Pacific Ireland neighbors. And so for example, when I

(01:01:10):
was Prime Minister, one of the things we did was
rather than have the Solomons and c and G going
to debt with Chinese state owned lenders to Bundai Huawei
controlled cable network, we provided one largely out of our

(01:01:31):
aid budget. This is the court's called the Coral Cable.

Speaker 19 (01:01:34):
It's the.

Speaker 20 (01:01:37):
Country's concern. Solomon's and PMG paid for about twenty percent
of it. We paid thirty percent of it, and it's
operated by an Australian company called Focus, and we thought
that was a better outcome from a security point of
view for US and our neighbors, but also it was
a better outcome for them because they weren't in debt.

(01:01:59):
I mean, you know, one of the you know, one
of you see this with Tonga in particular. One of
the problems with developed developing countries and their dealings with
China is that so much of what they're acquiring is
through debta arrangements, which of course they can't you know,
they can't afford to repay and they can't afford the service.
And so you know, you're better off recognizing the reality

(01:02:24):
and providing the economics for these countries need wherever you
can through the aid budget.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
As regards America, from an Australian point of view, explaining
it to New Zealand is what do you reckon orcus
you know actually is literally how will it pan out
and over what period of time and will it work
towards something substantive.

Speaker 20 (01:02:41):
Well, I'm not a fan of aucas I think it's
a bad deal. I think it's very asymmetric. I mean,
we with the Americans, we're providing them with what they want,
which is the base, the dockyard, all of that's how
giving the money to go into their submarine industry through
billion new stylars, we have no certainty of getting any
submarines at all, and that is a risk that the

(01:03:04):
Australian government has taken on with this eyes open. So
if the Yanks, you know, in twenty thirty one, say look,
I'm not producing enough subs are on furpose, we can't
spare you any We can't say we've been dudded, because
this is a risk that our government took on with
their eyes open, and it set out in the legislation. Now,

(01:03:25):
what's the other one percent of UCAST. Well, that's what's
called Pillar two and that is supposed to be cooperation
on strategic technology, cybersecurity, what autonomous systems and so forth. Frankly,
very little has happened there. None of the three governments
have put much money into it, and even orcust boosters

(01:03:46):
have said this is totally undercooked and underdone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I don't think we've worked out what our part would
be even if we went into it, and what Pillar
two is Anyway, Malcolm Turnball from Australian Prime Minister with
us we'll come back and talk about the other problems
within the coalition in a moment twelve past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
A bew Stalks have be caught a Bay State Malcolm Turnbull,
what's your assessment of your party at the moment in
the current dilemma?

Speaker 20 (01:04:15):
Oh god, oh what a mess? Well as de Chavous
all over again, isn't it. I mean it's you know,
we've been having the same friend of mine founder in
the UK found an article I'd written in two thousand
and nine talking about how the right wing and the
Liberal Party were turning climate policy and global warming into

(01:04:37):
a culture war issue and ignoring the science and rationality.
And you know, nothing's changed, right it is. I used
to say when I was in politics, energy policy should
be guided by engineering and economics, not ideology and idiocy.
But they're at it again, and it is you know,

(01:04:57):
you'd have to say about the sort of climate Demi's
right wingers in the Liberal Party who now control the party.
There's no question about that. As you could say, they've
got the memory of goldfish and the dining habits of Piranhas.
You know, they just they forget I'm doing the same
thing all over again, grant on day, every day, and

(01:05:20):
they're just constantly tearing into each other. And so you know,
I don't take anything away from Antney Albanezi for his
big majority. You know, congratulations to him, but boy, the
Dutton and you know, the right wingers in the Liberal
Party have made it very easy for him to get there,

(01:05:40):
and they continue to do it and they you know,
they hold hardly any city seats in Australia and so
now they're going out there and you know, putting a
big sign up which says we don't take climate change
or the environment seriously because they can quibble with all
the weasel words they like, but that is what the public,

(01:06:02):
that's how the public will see it, which is why
and full of moderate Liberals that are left centrist liberals
that are left in the parties are so so upset,
but it is you know, it's the best. It's that
they are the best friends the Liberal the right wingers
in the Liberal Party and their friends in the media,

(01:06:23):
you know, Murdock media. Mostly they are the best friends
the Labor Party has ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Does Susan Lee survive, I mean, does the coalition survive?
And how permanent are the problems?

Speaker 21 (01:06:32):
Do you think?

Speaker 20 (01:06:32):
Well with will Susan Survill, I don't know, but you know,
I don't think these you know, people do not give
it much prospect of surviving. But she could but you know,
first time opposition leaders. After you go into opposition generally
don't have a last very long, and the least in
the Liberal experience. But if you know, you may hang on.

(01:06:56):
Are the problems permanent? Yeah, you know what I think
they are. I think that I think the problem is
that the branch membership. We've got to remember the Liberal Party,
unlike the Labor Party, who's you know, ultimately it's controlled
by the unions, the Liberal Party is a genuine grassroots
organization controlled by its members ultimately, and the membership are shrunk,

(01:07:21):
and it is now increasingly dominated by older people who
live on a diet of what you might call right
wing populist media from places like sky Nears, Australia and
you know, a similar right wing you know are using

(01:07:43):
that term advisedly, but you know what I mean, it's
sort of right wing populist media. And that is a
you know, they they love culture wars, so you know,
the go global warmings a hoax. You know, they want
to they want to age war on some culture or
issure or another. And that that was a disastrous for

(01:08:08):
dun absolutely disastrous for Darton to the extent that he
lost his AMC because people saw it in Australia. They
saw this as the Liberals heading down the Trumpian path.
And while we want to maintain good relations with the
Americans and good relations from and so forth, Australians do
not want a bar of that kind of politics. You know,

(01:08:32):
we've got a very different system here. We've got compulsory voting.
You guys know as much about our countries, we're compulsory voting,
pfferential voting. It brings our politics to the center. So
if you want to run off to the extremes and
basically complete the ball enhance and say, you know, fifteen
percent of the vote or something, knock yourself out that

(01:08:54):
we're never going to get into government.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And so what does that mean? Does that mean alban
easy is good for three, if not four terms?

Speaker 20 (01:09:00):
Well, I don't you know, he's he's he's he's certain.
I would think he would nothing certain in politics that
I would think he'd be very solid favorite to win
the twenty twenty eight election. But who knows after that?
I mean, you know, Anna Domini catches up with all
of us. But so I don't know Anthony's what is

(01:09:23):
he's sort of early sixty one or two or something.
So I imagine he's got a I would think if
I had to, you know, I had to give you
a prediction, I would say, he's got you know, another
another one, or he's certainly got another one, possibly two
elections in him. But the but the real, the real

(01:09:44):
problem for the Libs is, you know, party I've led
and party which I'm still a member, is that you've
got these independent teals, you know, who are central smaller liberals,
the sort of with the kind of Graham and agenda
that people used to associate with me when I was
in politics. They now hold you know, it was a

(01:10:08):
half a dozen of what had been our safest seats,
male seat of Wentworth when you can't you know, they say,
you can't get a ferry to a Liberal Party seat
in Sydney anymore, whether it's you know, Wentworth in the
eastern suburbs or Wringer, you know, the Manly seat Mckeller
to the north of that Bradfield which is the north Shore,

(01:10:29):
they're all they're all now independent seats held by teals.
These are the safest blue ribbon Liberal seats.

Speaker 14 (01:10:39):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (01:10:39):
And you know it's a similar pattern in Earth, where
curtains seld On Independent trulye Bishop so Old seat and
in Melbourne Manique Bryant as the seat of Kon which
was Josh Frodenberg seat. So it's a you know, and
if you think the way to win those seats back
is by running off to the US, right, well you

(01:11:01):
just start. It's got the wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Memo that Malcolm Turnbull. Now Malcolm was in the country
over the weekend, and there is much more to that
conversation because we were chatting away endlessly and I had
some coffee beans roasting away in the background, and so
before we knew it had gone on for ages. So
the rest of the interview, if you want to catch
it as will be on our Facebook page and on
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win win. Good point. Did you know Mike that a
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that tells you is that your snails don't have very
good taste and beer, I would argue, Mike, And you
wonder why the young lady with the coffee kiosk in
your courtyard near your work has not been able to
see that so true? See, I feel slightly guilty about that.
At the moment, you take something home as you're not

(01:12:58):
doing it commercially, argue, I get that part, Mike. What next,
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My friend Rod, this illegal migrant thing. They sound desperate.

(01:13:19):
They sound like they're in straight up and down panic
mode in the labor government. Rod's with us from the UK.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Any thing about Britain at the moment? Is we had
Rachel Reaves, and we've talked about it a number of
times on the program, and the tax cats were coming
in the budget, and how many people were going to
dedict tats and to what extent and how big was
the black hole and all that sort of stuff. Then
all of a sudden it was suggested over the weekend
that she's out that had no tax coming. So anyway,
you thought, oh, well, that's the big deal, that's the
big problem for the government. And the next thing you know,
you've got Miss Mood announcing these extraordinary changes to asylum seekers.

Speaker 15 (01:14:00):
Refugee status will last two and a half years, not five.
It will be renewed only if it is impossible for
a refugee to return home. Permanent settlement will now come
at twenty years, not five. I know this country welcomes
people who contribute. For those who want to stay and
are willing and able to, we will create a new

(01:14:23):
work and study visa route solely for refugees, with a
quicker path to permanent settlement to encourage refugees into work.
We will also consult on removing benefits for those who
are able to work but choose not to.

Speaker 13 (01:14:38):
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Speaker 19 (01:14:43):
Business and role as well as Roderick good morning, Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
How did it come to this. It's sort of like
they're finally woken up from some weird slumber and thought,
tell you what, we've got a problem here.

Speaker 19 (01:14:58):
Well, it's part of the internal policy of the Labor
Party and none of this plays well for kids understanding
among the party. To Kamak Mood is the voice of
blue Baby in the cabinet and it's something which I
know Chaban has been thinking about for a very very
long time. And these are dramatic proposals. I mean, they

(01:15:20):
do begin to edge towards the heart of the issue.
How do you deter people from coming You tell them
they're not going to stay it for very long. You
tell them they're going to be deported. There's a love
devil in the detail. So for example, we're going to
check everything. We're going to check every six months as
to whether or thirty months in cases, as to whether
kind is safe for people to go back to a

(01:15:43):
lot of a lot of upon the people doing the judging.
The Danes from whom all these policies are borrowed are
sending people back to Syria saying it's no war anymore,
go on, go home. So id it hard to imagine
that the human rights lawyers will let that through over here.

(01:16:05):
But nonetheless, what she's done, says has changed the ground
on immigration and changed the ground on illegal immigration much
Labour's favor. But there will be all hell to pay
on the backbenchs because of course the backbend between rid
of SECRETA and this is more of exactly what they

(01:16:27):
don't want. And already we're hearing various MPs such as
Natalie Whistle and I think her name is that she's
an idiot interdently, which is why I haven't remembered the name.
Would have done it.

Speaker 20 (01:16:41):
She was clever.

Speaker 19 (01:16:44):
Wits them who is already saying, you know, this isn't
what a labor government should be. WHI should be in everyone.
I mean, everyone's loved me, which is the left wing vierer.
So it's a remarkable it's a remarkable change of trailed
in the weekends newspapers and it does shove the ball
back into the court of forming the Conservative Party and

(01:17:07):
the Conservative Party have said they're going to work with
Mood on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Mood on this yeah, well, let's hope it helps. Does
it also get the budget thing off the front pages?
Because what the hell happened there? She was doing text cuts,
text increases and now she's not.

Speaker 19 (01:17:24):
Yeah, it gets off the front pages for a day
or two, but it'll be back. The truth is, if
I pin a tail on the donkey Mike, no one
has the remotest idea what's going to be in this budget.
And that's not because the Chanceller is keeping her cards
close to her chest. It's because she hasn't a clue

(01:17:45):
what is in the budget? You know, it really is
that bad? Yes, for ages, we were told to prepare
ourselves for tax rises. Its income aacthorises the circumstances change.
So we're going to make the manifesto the raiser's income
and suddenly monocular raised into in cub text. There might
be a kind of mention some people with m million

(01:18:08):
and a half pints that's all of London. Basically that's belief.
What she is going to do is create a budget
which again I suspect Sotcal's economic growth, whatever past you
is shoes is to go down because she has been
dis left herself with no room.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Blue, No you rise back to the business of the
asylum seekers. So you raise the lawyers and so the
suggestion is that there will be visa issues in some
African countries that they don't accept the people coming back
and all that sort of thing. If you can't get
it past a court, no matter how good your idea is,
what do you do?

Speaker 19 (01:18:46):
Then it's nothing you can do. You have totally reform.
There's nothing in what Shabana said today. I think in
what she is today about reforming the court, and yet
you need those courts totally reformed. It's not it's not
the European Convention. You will write it's a problem, even

(01:19:06):
though you know removing it. I'd be in favor of
removing it. But that's not the central problem. The central
problem is that these industries that these immigration prominals are staff.
Why people who during their other hours are human rights
lawyers for refugees and always come down in favor of
the refugees.

Speaker 20 (01:19:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:19:25):
How you put into legal practice what my mood has said,
which is that in future judges will be forced to
prioritize British public interest and indigenous safety concerns over the
human rights of these currencies. I don't know how you
codify that in law.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Yeah, how you square that circle? Good to talk you,
Rod appreciated Rod little out of Britain. I do apologize
that line. I don't think it was particularly I don't
think it was our best work as far as lines
are concerned. Despite the fact that there's twenty twenty five
telegraph sales falling over by the the way of you're
following that as well, there was a group called Redbird
Capital US. They've abandoned it, they've walked away. Basically they
were looking to help them expand globally online, all that

(01:20:10):
sort of stuff. They would have become the sole controlling owner.
Paper was founded in eighteen fifty five, stymied by the
British government as well previously with rules around foreigners owning
British newspapers. The other thing that's sort of weird that
I read about over the weekend. They had these rules
in Britain whereby you taxed more on your beer the
higher the alcohol content. So all that's happened is that

(01:20:33):
the producers of the mainstream beer have lowered the alcohol.
Now I've never seen this before. Is this unusual? Is
this weird? Or is this just me not drinking a
lot of beer. So I know about you know, specifically
made low alcohol beer. I get that, or no alcohol beer.
I understand all of that. But this is the standard
beer that once upon a time had four point seven
four point eight percent alcohol. So that's what you came

(01:20:56):
to know and love because the tax came and the
same beer being sold but at three point foot this
particular case was Foster's, which is made by Herniken, so
they reduced the alcohol content three point four percent. They're
still calling it Fosters. It's still the so called same
regular everyday bea that you would have bought anyway, but
it suddenly got three point four percent, and by doing that,
of course they save on tax and therefore your pint

(01:21:17):
is a little bit cheaper. Is there a lot of
that going on?

Speaker 8 (01:21:19):
Because they say there's less even less reason to drink five.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
It's the weirdest thing I've never seen. Maybe that's just
unique to Britain.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Sixteen two The High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Be that's interesting. Same thing happens to here, Jim Beam
Internationally forty percent here it's thirty seven to five repackaged
by Coca Cola to save on tax. I didn't know that.
I don't drink bourbon. Do you know about that, Glenn? Yeah, yes,
but you don't sound very sure.

Speaker 8 (01:21:51):
Well you can get both.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yeah, you probably pay more as what they're saying, so
cheer version you save on tax, Mike. The same applies
with wine. In the United Kingdom, we're at nine to
ten ten percent. I mean, what's the point best thing
I read yesterday in Australia for all you people thinking
of leaving. I'm surely there can't be anyone left thinking
of leaving to Australia, can they? I mean, obviously they've
all gone over. Listen to this over governed, overtaxed, over complicated.

(01:22:15):
How Australia is set up to fail brilliant peace well
worth looking up. Australia's three levels of government will collect
a record one trillion dollars in taxes this year for
the first time ever. When the door shuts on this
financial year, Australia's three levels of government will have set
a record for the first time. The Commonwealth, the six States,
the two territories, the five one hundred and thirty eight

(01:22:37):
councils will have collected more than a trillion dollars in taxes,
charges and fees from a dysfunctional housing market, to regulations
that change the legal status of an electric bike as
you're rided across the state border. To teams have not
hundreds of billions of dollars wasted. The Federation off is failing.
Every government, every business, every Australian struggles with a system

(01:22:59):
no longer fit for purpose. See outside looking in. You
sit there looking at the Gold Coast and the four
experien you go, what a great place. Can't wait to
get there? The people who live there, over governed, overtaxed, overcomplicated.
How Australia was set up to fail. That's a must
read ten to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
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like New Zealand, but without the added treaty obligations weighing

(01:24:24):
on them. It's funny. I get a lot of texts
like that. You do realize that the relationship with the
Aboriginal community in Australia is getting tighter and tighter is
each week passes and you welcome to country and all
those sort of things are a standard feature in school life,
in sporting life these days. And it was just last
week in Victoria they signed a treaty between Aboriginal people

(01:24:46):
and it's exactly, it's the treaty why taking all over again?
So for all the people that go, oh no, the Australians,
they don't do it differently. Don't do it differently at all.
By the way, I was reading the Drive section of
the Herald over the weekend. Does a carshier thing interesting
there's another company. They're not the first, and there was one.
I don't know what happened to it, but there's a

(01:25:06):
thing coming about. There's two things happening in the car
industry for the future. One is subscriptions, and so you
subscribe to a car. It's sort of like rentals, but
because you sort you buy a subscription and you sort
of change cars and depending on what you need and stuff.
And the other thing is you buy a stake. And
there's this company. Look it up in the Herald and
see if it's a bit of you. It's a thing
called All Nest Luxury and it's like timeshare for cars.

(01:25:28):
You buy an eleventh of the car or a twelfth
of the car. Basically, you buy an entitlement for a
month a year of a car, all sorts of different cars.
Some of them are flash cars. If you don't want
to own a flash car, but you think I wouldn't
mind having a flash car one month a year, you
can book a car for a day. You're up to
a couple of weeks, up to a month a year.
You can buy more than one shares in w SOL whatever. Anyway,

(01:25:49):
my point is is that is that a thing. Do
you think that you would buy a slice of a
car that maybe you wouldn't ordinarily afford, but for a
tenth or eleventh or a twelfth of the price, you
could have a month's worth of Broombrulm and think this
is pretty cool. It's an interesting business model. I'm just
not sure whether it's a workable one five hundtes away
from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy all year round.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Mentioned in the USS gerald Ford earlier on. This is
the one that's parked out up in the Caribbean. The
Caribbean at the moment, sort of hovering around Venezuela in
a don't dick with us, Maduro, we might do something
with you kind of way. And it's the largest and
most modern warship that the Americans got at the moment,
despite the fact it's actually not working that well. The

(01:26:36):
system that launches the jets got a problem.

Speaker 9 (01:26:38):
While EMAILS was designed to operate for over four thousand
cycles between failures, testing revealed that it only managed about
six hundred cycles before encountering issues. Similarly, AAG is expected
to function for sixteen five hundred cycles, but has faced
breakdowns after just four hundred and fifty cycles. The Ford's

(01:26:58):
jet blast deflector have also been problematic, including a return
to port during a qualification trial due to all four
deflectors breaking down simultaneously. The Ford uses airplane style vacuum
toilets that pull waste through narrow pipes. With around four
thousand sailors on board, these pipes clog frequently. When that happens,
the problem can't be fixed with a simple plunger. Instead,

(01:27:20):
the Navy must perform a full system flush using a
special acid to dissolve hardened waste build up. Each flush
costs about four hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It's a lot of money for a flush. There's a
lot of toilets here. I it's not really similar. We're
in an eco building. Well that's why they call the
eco building at the time. And one of the things
two things happened in this building. One we got fewer parks,
but because we got fewer parks, we got an extra
story for height. And the other thing was we got
smaller pipes on.

Speaker 8 (01:27:49):
The toilets and the special light bulbs obviously, and the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Special light bulbs that do you know how long it
took to fix the light bulbs in the studio from
the first email?

Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
Do you reconnect costs more more or less than an
acid toilet flash on the Gerald R.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Ford I reckon, I reckon you could have had either one.
It took one hundred and ninety five days. One hundred
and ninety five days to change the light bulbedin ZID
move anyway. The John F. Kennedy is the next one
off the production line. That's supposed to be in the
water already, but that's two years late. Hey back tomorrow
morning from six Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
For more from the mic Asking breakfast listen live to
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