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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.
Good morning to both of you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Morning Jenny, Morning to both of you.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Ginny. Two questions actually for you. One, where were you
in Parliament.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yesterday on the front row? Like I usually am?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Well you wouldn't you usual? See?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Yes, I was?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
They weren't Joe Luxon?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Was there?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Luckxeon and Reluxton?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
No, you must have been look at the camera, Funny.
I was exactly where are usually?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Where was Joe Luxon.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
There sitting behind me?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I think she were behind you? Yeah, okay, Well that's
why I was pleased as soon as I heard of it.
I've never heard of speak before in my life. I thought, well,
there's a labor part of MP doing some work for once.
So when she asked the question, I thought, where's Ginny?
Because I thought that was the front So I'm pleased
about that second question, knowing you the way I know you, Ginny,
which is not that well at all. But but honestly,
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hand on heart, given the opportunity, you would really want
to drive a landroper of those steps, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
But I wouldn't break the rules. I'm quite good like that. Usually,
but you want to.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't think you want to.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
But if you got told not to, and particularly got
told you and you got filmed by TV one news.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah that's embarrassing. I'll come to that part. But there's
the land rover and they go, Ginny, you want to
write it up the steps? You'd go for it, wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I wouldn't know, Yes, yes I would.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Actually, then you're christianding me.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I do.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
I do have one Christian for you. I just have
one thing I want to clear up because I listened
to your show, and I did listen to the Prime
Minister yesterday morning. Yes, and I'm pretty sure he said this,
but I just want to clarify he did say this.
Did he say quote, we've got a rolling thunder, constant
announcements to remove barnacles and yet the show on the road.
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And if he did say that, can you please tell
me what does it mean?
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It doesn't mean anything, and we had it to be
fair to you, Jenny. We had a conversation afterwards, going
what do you reckon? He meant by removing barnacles from
the ship and rolling each other.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And we did the rolling thunder stairs. Cool. I just
think that, well, does it?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Absolutely absolutely, it didn't. It didn't sound cool when he
said it to me because I burst out laughing. Who
workshops that stuff with the Mark? You are you the insider?
Is there a command in turn?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Maybe he's our leader and he's Look, I'm telling you now,
Mike that in terms of where we are as a
country and at the moment there's a lot of suffering
going on because of the economic situation. Yes, I'd rather
have a guy like him. That is to me I've had.
I've worked under lots of very, very good leaders all
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around the world. This guy is a class act. He's
he knows what has to be done. He's got a
proven track record, he's actually been in the real world
in terms of delivery. It is tough. We knew that
it was going to be tough, and we know what
that We've got a lot of work to do. But
I'll tell you what, I'd rather have a guy like
Chris Lux with his background, his experience, his energy and
his focus to get things done.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
I tend to agree, and making this as a political
as it possibly can, I tend to agree. And I
think there's a lot of good will for him generally
but I think Ginny does make a point, and I
know she makes a point that's being talked about widely
around the country. When he comes out with his growth, growth, growth,
barnacles on hips and rolling thunder, there's something about that
that people go, oh, mate, you know, if you if
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you haven't delivered yet, which he hasn't and he might,
let's hope he does, but he comes across as slightly
wonky and nerdy.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Well, I mean I would, I would dispute they haven't delivered.
I mean, there's been a lot done in the first
twelve months in terms of tax relief. We see inflation
now back to sustainable levels, we see interest rates coming
back down. That's not easy. That's not easy stuff to do.
It's actually really tough, and being inside government you got
to make tough decisions. He does that. The easy thing
to do would be what labour did. It Just keep
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borrowing money and borrowing money and borrowing money and shoving
out the door, and we'd end up being a third
world country and a and a in the same place
as Venezuela. And we're not going to do it. We're
going to We're going to be We're going to be
we're going to be a world class, cut.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Better and if you can pull it off, you'll get
another term. And that's how democracy works. What we're going
to say, Genny.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well, I think that that that's that's fine. You can
you can say that's what he's trying to do. But
that's not people. It's not it's not what people feel.
So people aren't getting those benefits you talk about. People
are paying higher rates, higher insurance, their mortgages are still high,
their property prices and Wellington have dropped, and well, people
aren't feeling that. And I think the problem you've got
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if he is this big CEO that has flowery CEO language,
then why didn't he sack someone like David Seymour who
has constantly disobeyed him, Because if he really was that
top cutting edge CEO guy, he should make tough calls
senior leadership.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Or but he missed that particular opportunity. Can I give
the chips to some advice through you? Can you stop
asking for everyone to be sacked. It's just behaving the
way David Simoa has is not a sackable offense. And
the Prime Minister and the Coalition can't go round sacking
people Brighton Center.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So you think it's okay that he wrote to police
and said about Polkinghorn.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
See I'm not an expert, Mark, you are, and that
you said you should go to the Police Complaints Authority run.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
No, that the police wrote back to him and referred
him back to the i p c A or Polkinghorn's lawyer.
Look the reality of it as David was acting as
a local MP and locally in peace are conduits for
information and they have to advance issues for their constituents.
I have a I don't now because it's conflict of
interest because'm Minister of Police, but I have someone else
do it for me. But before that, I had a
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quarterly meeting with my police Heerer Commander. I had a
list of the issues that my constituents and community brought
forward and I'll discussed those with them. However, there is
a line and you should try to be very aware
and it's a good remind of for all EMPs not
to induce yourself into Instagram.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Mark because so so at that particular point, he's the
local MP that some guy comes to him who you've
never heard of before, and he goes, look, here's what's
happening to me, can you write me a letter?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yep, And that's why I'm not seeking guessing him. He's
the local imp. I the benefit of hindsight, that's what
you know. You mean, sure he turned maybe Polkinghulm turned out.
The whole thing turned out to be something you didn't
know at the time. And if he didn't know at
the time, how can he possibly foresee what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, that's not clear.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's not clear from the case. So like that's not
clear whether he did know him before, or he was
a friend, or what was the relation.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
It doesn't really matter. He's a constituent.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Well, sorry for that that I see in my electric.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Well he also it's not a very good test. He's
been asked and won't say whether he's received any funny.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Where did you get that from? That question from Hipkins
yesterday is what do you know? Why did you ask that?
And what difference does it make?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
That's a question that the media have been asking. What
was the prior relationship here? And if he's if it's
so clear, and it's so fine, just say you didn't
And he won't say, But what.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
If he did? But if to say, I give se
more money or you or Mark because you've been locally
so I happened to give you guys money. I'm still
as entitled as a constituent to the same representation whether
I'm giving you money or not, aren't I.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I think it raises concerned about transparency if he's not
upfront and saying that, fine if he did it, but
he should be clear about that he did it. And
that's what politicalations he.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Was at his local MP it was before he became
a minister, and you know, and that's along the short
of it. And the other thing too. On the land.
I mean, I love those old land rovers. But the
thing that I love about the fact that it's all
over the media is that. And it was the same
reason I came. When I came back home in twenty eleven,
I've been involved in delivering the first elections up in
Iraq and one of the big issues up there is
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that the candidates would blow each other up with roadside bombs.
And when I came home and eleven, the big issue, well,
the big issue was the teapot tapes, and I thought, oh,
it's good to be home.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The only issue that we have little.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Exactly. It's not some contexts around it.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, exactly, it's a second blose.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I still think though, and there's a general feeling that
members of parliament helping constituents with an inquiry to police,
that's one thing that that happens. Fine, but insuiting yourself
in a murder investigation in writing, but here was under
inquiry for this. It was a serious offense and he's
inserting himself into a police inquiry of a serious offense.
And that's quite different to just advocating to you.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I think the whole question is at the time
of writing, and we can't be in his head. He's
acting and good faith is it as a local MP.
But it's a good reminder for all of us as
MPs to make be very conscious that line and not
injecting yourself exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Quick one for you, Jenny, this this thing of the
MARI party who you're going to have to deal with
in one way, shape or another if you want to
be contender for the election. Is this this parliamentary commissioner.
I noticed that your leader now says we can have
a commissioner for tatty. That's a waste of money because
you can't have it with powers. There are no powers.
So you're just going to employ yet another person to
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earn a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year to
write reports to achieve what we.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Well, where did you get that from? Because I was
pretty clear at White Tangy that we support encouraging the
Whitani Tribunal. We weren't very excited about the Independent Commissioner
and Chris Hipkins that White Tangi came out quite clearly
and stated.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
That, well, he changed his mind. It says Chris Hipkins,
he's open to consider that Parliamentary Commission ofty is proposed
by the married parties. We're all our role having beat
it about so quite clearly.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I'll go back and find it for you who said
quite clearly that the White Tongue he.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Changed his mind and the suing period I heard him
at White Tangy. But there's days ago. Stay will it, Genny,
Come on, this is twenty.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Four today and he said that too.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
So you're ruling that rule that statement out there.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What I'll say to you, what I'll say to you.
It is important that that we has in place the
Tongue tribunal, and that's the We've got that in place.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
But they want a special Parliamentary Commissioner. He says he's
open to considering it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Is he not or considering it too? It's quite different to.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
What you are. If you're specifical head to get sacked,
we don't have to sack you for this.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, well I think you love this one and you can.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Have an opinion.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Interesting how, like David said, does really stupid things like
in to being a murder investigation. But you're far more
interested in the why.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Because consider this morning and I'm just trying to you know.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
You want a second for driving the Landy.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I mean that's that's not pretty.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
He said no. The man in the car, the man
in the security did say no quite clearly.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
He was.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Nature and he wants to cause it. And you know
you'd want to go I would do it. And Mark,
you didn't actually answer the question. You too would want
to drive up the steps, wouldn't you?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Or if I had, if I had, I would love
to drive a Landy up the steps if I had
permission from the from the commissioner, from sorry, from the speaker,
if you maybe.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Drive the Landing up the steps? Would it get the
barnacles off? The boating barnacles?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
But there wasn't with barticles.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Wasn't it wasn't even a boat. I think it sounds
I think actually sounds like a really good country in
Western lyric, the song.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Off the Boat, as we drive the Landy, there you go.
We've got to keep taking barnacles off this boat.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
We've got a rolling thunder of constant announcements to remove
barcles on that road.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
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