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November 18, 2025 11 mins

Today on Politics Wednesday, Mike Hosking was joined by Labour’s Ginny Andersen and National’s Mark Mitchell to delve into the biggest political stories of the week thus far.  

They discussed the Hutt Bridge situation, whether Labour backs the Green Party’s mining policy, and the anniversary of the Pike River tragedy.  

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with
Ginny Anderson. Good morning to both of you.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, Mike, morning, Jenny, Good morning.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Were you Jinny? Where we actually let me a broad based,
open question. Where were you last night?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Where was I last night? I was in parliament?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Okay, were you at the function, the in New Zealand function?
If you say so.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
I popped into that very quickly.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, I'm getting the one. I'm getting the word. I'm
getting the gossip. Mark And now you were there, weren't you?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yes, I certainly was.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Indeed, Jason was right.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
That was when the lights went out. That was quite exciting.
That was more exciting.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hold on me.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I thought that it was.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I thought that it was the government trying to save
money by cutting the power, or maybe it could have
been the last New Zealander leaving the country too.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
There wasn't. It wasn't the keys in the bowls type function,
was it?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
No? No, the lights were quite different to that.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I thought. I thought you us had a scoop we had.
I'm sort of eagle coming to that.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well, I was just no, Well you've raised it, You've
thrown the spanner and the works. There Jenny. I thought
the power cut was mid afternoon because I was I
was watching question Time and somebody was reporting the power cut,
and I thought, well, hold on, question Time is going
to go into the dark. I've never seen anything like
this in my life. And it didn't. So that you
must have a separate generator.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Yeah, I think we do.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I thought we might have had tortures. You could have
played spotlight and question Time. That would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Wouldn't it be called? Would so they function as well.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I know that Lloyd Booler stopped me on the tiles
on the way into Parliament and he was very concerned
that the power had gone out, which I had no
idea the power had gone out, and he thought that
NIMA should be mobilized, and I said, relax, Lloyd, it's
just the powers.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Bloody, those bloody journalists. They're all the same, aren't they
name the name, namely the biggest pain in the asses
of journalist Mark that you deal with on the titles.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh god, I can't do that. No, no, no, jeeus.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
A good wish. We've got so many you want to
start alphabet Eckley? What do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Here was? It wasn't see the boss was at the function, Jenny,
That's what I was raising. It was at the function
last night, and it seemed to me that everyone was
at the function. Was this like one of the great
functions of all time?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was good.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
We have a regular you know, functions that come through
and theyre always really good. So it's always a good
opportunity to make people from different parts of business.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
And yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
We do have lots of functions. We've got Saint John's
in here this morning for a breakfast, so I've just
come from just to acknowledge the outstanding that they do
in New Zealand. One's a big one though, might that's
let's say our national carrier. You know, you sort of
get everyone that's involved in trade and hospitality, tourism, so
it's always a big one.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
See I got invited to that, but obviously because I
don't go anywhere and don't leave the house, I never
go to you don't when you're what are the rules?
So if I get if I get invited to something
by in New Zealand and I live in Auckland but
need to be in Wellington, they pay for that, or
because they pay for you guys wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
They well with you, But no, I don't think they would.
You could just send a cut sced down with a
cardboard cutout or something like that, there would.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah, we could PLoP it up. Yeah even all.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Right, so as long as they got the power sorted out. Now, Ginny,
who comes up with you your hut Bridge scandal thing
yesterday that you're asking nine hundred and fifty seven thousand
questions on who dreamed that one up?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, it was the the the Post who ran it
on the front page yesterday.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
So you steal all your ideas from the Post that
was where.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
That story broke. Yeah, so yeah, what is what.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Does Karen Karen go? Hey, guys, guys for question time?
Have you seen the front page of the Post. Let's
ask some questions on the bridge.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
When you see someone who is taking money out of
one pot into another for a local election promise, it
doesn't it doesn't pass the sniftiest as far as as
far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Doesn't it? Well?

Speaker 4 (03:59):
You know, well, you know we had people in the
Art Valley who are living in cars on the pony
fore front, and they could have done with that money
for a water infrastructure to build more houses, so it
would have actually assisted people to the isn't.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
The problem with the council. The council asked for the money,
they said, look, how about we spend it on a bridge.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
No, but the problem was that the government changed its
priorities and didn't prioritize cycling and walking, so that bridge
was no longer fund. Everyone loves the bridge, great bridge,
no complaints there, but because of the government's priorities changing
on transport, that bridge wasn't funded. And so instead of
just coughing up the money, they went and took it
out of housing money and said, oh, there you go,
we'll have it now. So everyone wants the bridge agreed

(04:38):
on that, but they've pinched it at a money that
was meant for building more houses.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
And because it's text person money and unlike you guys
who just think you can just borrow and spend Anthrid
every week, we.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Can't cut money.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
As at well. I don't know why you're raising that,
because there was far more people in emergency housing, kids
living in hotels under you guys are under us.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
You can come with me, Marck can go check at
Tony four Shunt and you can see that there's a
six month old baby. Also in situations like that, so
we have young families and.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
The water wouldn't have solved that person on the Patoni
foreshows problem, would it.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Well, there are more than one places around the valley
that would have had klima wader having been built. And
when there's no money to build the water infrastructure, those
projects have been canceled like many.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Well we're actually building houses, you guys, didn't you promised
on hundred things we.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Built far more.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So I just don't tell fabs at this function because
if you two talk like this, said this function, I'd
be off to the corner. Ginny. We're in the cycle?
Are we politically? With you guys and the Green So
the Greens are going to abandon these seven mining projects
they don't like. I don't think they said it to
bottom line for them. So do you rule that out?
Can you rule that out right here right now?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Just before I do comment on that, I just considering
you raise mining. It's the anniversary today of Park River,
so I'm going to acknowledge that today. And so yeah,
still still some issues over here in there, and the
fact that the families are meeting with the Minister today
on that anniversary, and she's overhauling her health and safety regulations.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, as I think it's said.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
We don't politicize it, jitty, that's awful. I had the
Pipe River Mind portfolio, spent a lot of time with
the families down there on a daylight today. You do
not politicize it. Well, knowledge them, you acknowledge them, and
you think about them, and there are our thoughts and
you leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Okay, So go back to go back to the Greens journey.
Can you rule out there seven I'm killing seven projects
things or not?

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, the Greens can announce what they like.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
But from a voters point of view, we've got to
work out what's in what's not.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
No, we don't play that game.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
On the government's fast track and specific projects, we've we've
always said that we will review those projects on a
case by case basis and government and we've been clear
that we won't roll things back if they're alredio.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
You can see the problem.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You can see the problem. I'd like to finish place.
I'd like to finish place.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
The government should be though, looking at offshore wind and
Tutanuki rather than see bed mining to help bring down
power price.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
That's mye But hold on, Ginny, just for clarity's sake.
So what you're saying the Labour Party position is we
won't be ruling in or out anything the Greens say
until after we maybe form government, at which point we'll
look at them on a case by case base. Is
that what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
We'll release our environment policy before the election and will
make clear what our position is on those areas.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
But we're not doing that today, right.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That's fine, So your environment policy will contain the information
As a potential voter I need to know as to
whether those sort of things are going to see the
light of day or not.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
It'll put our position clear on mining in terms of
where these jobs and where we think there's benefit there
in other areas where we think that they're not working,
so we'll be clear.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Might hang on a second. There's a mess of conflict here.
Jinny was on the radio with us a couple of
weeks ago saying absolutely not. There will not have any
bolt ons. They will not increase the CGT. You know,
it's not a stalking horse. So they were alemant about that.
Why can't they be element about this policy with the Greens,
why can't they provide certainty?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I think that's going to be one of the issues
in the campaign generation from both sides, in the sense
that people want and this is where Peters has got
himself into trouble over the years because he does that, well,
let the people vote first, or that crap. We want
to know what's you know, at the extreme end of
the spectrum, what am I voting for?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
That's fear And we're our environment spokesperson and we'll work
together to have a clear policy that comes out before
the election so people know exactly what they're getting, and
so that the view that we're just going to rule
that all mining is not case.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
No, no, no, that's fine. You can have your own mining policy.
That's that's fine, and you'll be a more moderate version
of the Greens. But I mean you're going to be
if you're in the election in government with the Greens.
And I just want to know if I'm I'm looking
at you guys, do I get the nutters with you
or not?

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well, no, Mark's got a scis no. The view the
view that is that we all have an environment policy
that lays it clear what our position is.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
On mine and we'll include bottom line clear idea.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Well, it'll say where we see this benefit from warning
for the New Zealand economy where it does generate jobs,
and in other areas where it's probably detrimental to other
pure that's.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Your advantage, isn't it, Because at least in looking at
you guys, we know where you're at with Act, where
you're at with New Zealand. First you've got a track
record there there will be some bottom lines or not,
whatever the case may be, so people have an understanding
of what's possible what's not right.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, and look our tea right now. In a world
of uncertainty, the best thing that a government can do
is provide certainty for people. Provide certainty for people in
terms of whether they want to make a big investment
a small investment planning for the future. They want to
have certainty. They want to know what they can expect
in the coming years. And so I just think that
it's incumbent upon all parties, especially the government, right now,

(09:52):
to signal exactly what we're going to do and how
we're going to do it, just very quickly. MIKEA, I
didn't you get a chance to talk about the Hutbridge steal.
Very simply. It was a pragmatic approach where they moved
some money so they could deliver a walking bridge that
the council asked for. Kieran mac and Oldie Jinny. I
think even Hipkins tried to go Chris Bishop yesterday it
fell flat. They got nowhere to go.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
It was a good pragmatic system, Juny.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
I have no problem with no problem with the bridge.
It's effect you took.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, you support the bridge.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
They canceled it. Your government canceled that bridge because we.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Didn't cancel anything.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
We're under your government.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
And we're not millions and millions and millions of dollars
into very expensive cycle ways when we're going to be
investing into our rise and get people made.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
So don't take money out of housing when people are homeless.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Quick question, we haven't done any. Quick question. Where's Chippy
getting married?

Speaker 3 (10:41):
I do not know.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
I do not know that.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Do you expect and if I did?

Speaker 4 (10:45):
I don't know, I think I would get in trouble
for talking problem on the radio.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Would you expect an invite? You going to do that?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I hope to get one. I do hope to get
one that.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Would be do you want to get one or not?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Really, I'm not sure if i'd be top of the
list for that.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
You can do the victims for I'm not. You can
do nice to see Nice to see you, guys. We'll
catch up next week. Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson For more
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