March 27, 2025 • 10 mins
Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson are back on the air, joining Mike Hosking to Wrap the Week that was.
They discussed the Liam Lawson situation and Bob Geldof – who Mike interviewed earlier this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tim Wilson's with us, along with Kate Hawk's be good morning,
(00:02):
you two.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning. I'm just if we're all going to start
setting fire to our red bullcans like people set fire
to Teesler's.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I've decided Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Horner is the most unlikable. He's even more unlikable than
Megan Markle, and that for me is so distasteful, isn't it.
I have felt sick all week for Liam and I
loved your correspondent from the BBC earlier, you know, put
a really positive spot on it. The lemb's got to
stay positive and I do believe that. But what a massive, psychological,
(00:33):
incredibly tough blow this must have been for a twenty
three year old kid. I just I feel sick for him.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Do you know what I like about that? And because
you represent what I've what I've felt this week is
that no one, this whole country has been invested in
this one story. So all I do is being on
about if one and people going on about and suddenly
we bought we're all left one fans this week, and
so the sport has benefited from people's interest and we
(01:00):
will at least some people will hang around for the
Liam story and that and that is the power of
an individual from New Zealand who gets to the elite
of elite, and that what's brilliant about the story is
that if one is the elite, it's not like any
other sport. It's the biggest sport in the world. And
it's right up there with the NBA and Major League
Baseball and football and stuff like that. And we're a
(01:22):
part of it. Can you shut that dog up? How
hard can it be?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And Doggie loves it?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But I do think also that yeah, I mean, we
might be fans of f one, but I think what
we're fans.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of is lead laws And can I just ask a question?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Though, like red ball and known for prioritizing immediate results
rather than sort of long term stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Not like this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
This is an extreme version of it. And we don't
have all the information, Like we don't know what's happening
internally obviously, but it just seems that you know, if
you go out to dinner with the devil, you're going
to get stuck with the bill at some point. So
I imagine that Liam, being a smart young man, what
affect did this?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
In a bit? He?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, I don't think it's a good point. I don't
think it'll ruin him. He's still an F one. I
get all of that. But you know, all I can
imagine is that that he, of all the people who
had been promoted into F one, was at the right end.
He was at the He was at the I could
be a world champion, I can win a race, I
can get cups and prizes and earn millions. He was
at that end. He wasn't just at the back with
(02:25):
Sourburn all the other losers. He was at the he
was he was at the party. And then that so
quickly got snatched away.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Tell it always rises. He'll come back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, one would hope. So one would hope.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I just hope you can get his confidence back, because
you could just see in his face he just he
was trying so hard to be a team player.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He did. He looks.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So two questions for you, Katie, because you're good at this.
So first of all, do you like Helmet Marco or not?
So Helmet Marco comes out this morning like Helmet Marco
does and goes it was a mistake and he wasn't.
He lost his confidence. Now that's brutal, but it's true,
So do you like that or not? And then second question,
what do you do as a parent sitting in Pocaco
in New Zealand watching a twenty three year old go
(03:07):
through that? Do you jump on a plane? Do you
jump on the phone? Do you have quick text?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean, are they not there? I mean I'd just
be there bubbing us back? So tough?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I just I just does that make you a helicopter?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
He's going to need something, He's going to have to
need some support because this is a ruthless, brutal, tough,
tough team. These are horrible, horrible guys, and they're all
about money and assets and just winning, and they're not
about the person. And that's why Christian Horner is just
so it's not for a minute that he's interested in
duty of care.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is so interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So Mike saw hearts and flowers, and then then it
gets parental and suddenly you're being accused of being a
helicopter and he's serving cups are hard up?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, SOI trying to drive through a line here, I'm
heading for the Chicane. I'm looking for the apex. Do
I lift off? Do I go through full speed. That's
what I'm talking about. So for you, as the older
member of this particular group.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey, just back the truck up.
I just want to know what it felt like to
interview someone actually older than yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And Bob Geldoff very funny.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Anyway, the moral mic is not to get a perm.
See isn't that interesting? I think about that. Do you
remember when Graham Thorne got a perm? Did Liam Mawson
get a Oh come on, you can't have missed that,
Liam Lawson. Liam Liam got a perm. You got a
perm at the front. You got a front perm when
just before he started with Red Bull over the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was natural. I just thought that was kind of you fell.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
For that line, did you? I thought that was natural?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Have you Have you ever had a perm?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Of course not?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Of course not all right, don't take that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The reason This is why it's interesting. The reason no
one gets a perm.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Is because j Mullett. Maybe you could have never The reason.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The reason I did not, The reason one gets a
perm is because Graham Thorne got a perm. And when
Graham Thorne got a perm, the entire nation stopped. It
was the same. It was roughly at the same time
when Angela Dawdney got out of breasts remember that?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh my goodness, can we just pivot to something else
that Angela?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Just imagine so you had You must remember Tim graham
Thorne got his perm on the television when he was
reading sport on television.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He turned up. Yeah, yeah, he did, he did. When
was that?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was the same time Angela Dowdney got out of
breast She turned up on a Sunday drama program. The
nation's leading news reader turned up one weekend on a
Sunday half naked.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Why just keep keep keep your T shirt on? Just
keep your T shirt on.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's a good question, Katie, But didn't stop it doing. Okay,
where were we? It was, Bob, very good question. Before
the book. So Bob Geldof walks into the studio yesterday.
He claims to remember me, which was complete crap, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Really well, I mean, you know, we said we did
a thing twenty years ago when I was last year
in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and
the only thing that triggered his memory was Malol McLaren
because Malcolm McLaren was here and he was particularly memorable
as an individual, the fact that I was in the
rumors and no consequence whatsoever. Anyway, first thing I say
to Bob, I said, I said, what are you doing
for yourself? He goes, what do you What do you mean?
(06:27):
I go, you look incredible. He goes f off. He
couldn't believe. I said, how you look incredible?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What's on the news? I agree with Bob, I don't
know what you were saying.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Again, yeah you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I go home and Katie goes goes, what's the matter
with you? He looks like a wreck. And I said, and.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You're like, what's your fitness resume? You look amazing.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I have five pints of Guinness for breakfast and after
that I get into the Scotch whiskey.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's funny you should say that, because because I said,
the reason I'm asking is you're lean and you look flexible,
which he does. So he walks. The answer is, now
here's the thing, and he was hiding it. He walks
a decent distance every day from his home to the
office in London, a forty five minute walk there and back,
so that's ninety minutes walking a day, and he eats
one He eats one meal a day and so he's
(07:19):
a he's an intimate faster, and so he eats at
three o'clock, and so he likes to feel hungry. He says,
I like to feel hungry, and I feel hungry each
day at about two o'clock. At three o'clock, I eat,
I eat anything I want. And then then he has
a scotch. I said, you drink a lot, and he goes,
I don't have it, not a drinker's lot, which I
thought was a lovely Irish saying, not a drinker's lot,
(07:41):
but I have a scotch, Larsta. When he arrived, he said,
we had a scotch, and I went for a walk,
and then he came back for some wines. So he
has a scotch, some wines.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You might be talking out of turn here, because this is.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
All of I say, no, now, no, Bob won't sue
me for this. Bob and I go back twenty years here,
old mates, exactly. So anyway, he just looked like a
vital you know. So yes, visually you might look at
him and go, what a wreck, But he's but he's vital,
and he's alert, and that's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And he's still working, which is good. It's what you
were saying early about purpose, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
All the new research.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Says it's more important than anything is to have purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Which is why I like what Aniston said this week
so much. At the age of eighty, does he look eighty.
I don't think he looks eighty. I think he looks
seventy four.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, he's doing what he does. He doesn't look eated,
he doesn't located just to just for a drunker and
a smoker. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Back back to that thing with purpose, though, I wonder
if he was confusing purpose with structure because he was
talking about and I think it's I think because he
said it doesn't matter what your purpose is, I would
I would submit that it does matter what your purpose
is because some of the greatest dictators in the world's
history have had purpose, and so purpose does matter.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he was talking about structure.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
People who say, for example, if you're unemployed, you don't
have that you may have if you have a crappy job,
you've still got something to put a great to get
around itself.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think that's his purpose. And the
more I meet the Bob geldofs this world, especially in
that area. I'm absolutely one hundred percent convinced that the
fact they still perform at least half because most of
them don't need the money, at least half of it
is the desire to be out of bed, to be relevant,
to have a purpose, to write a song, to sing
a song, to get some feedback, to be part of something.
And that's what keeps you light and healthy and well.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was a lovely interview.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He's a really really lovely guy by the sounds.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Can I just ask one more question before yes, he
is a lovely guy, you correct. Can I ask just actually,
I'll give this away. I met my hero yesterday, well
one of my heroes yesterday. And you know they say
never meet your heroes. Well I met one of my
heroes yesterday and I had the best possible time.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Who's the hero Bruce Hornsby.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Bruce Hornsby in the range?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I thought, I hope this goes well. You know,
when of those interviews you go, I hope this goes well.
And it did go well, and it went fantastically well.
So that was that was my thrill for the day.
Quick quick question to finalize this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
When's Bruce Hornsby on you should take So.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's a bit of question than the one I was
going to ask. The answer is, shall we say Tuesday,
the week after the week after sixth Sam's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is the deepest teas in the virtually easter.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
This is the deepest eas in the history of radio.
Layton Smith will be scowling at the radio right now, late.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Laon next to We've got Joe Parker coming in, and
I'm not going to be the one to tell Joe
Parker we bumped him for Bruce Hornsby. So Joe Parkers
in the studio, so that's going to go well. Now
it's not going to well, but Bruce Hornsby some time
before the end of the year. Let's let's let's trailer
that and see what anyway. Nice to see you guys.
Kate hawksby Tim Wilson.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
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Tim Wilson's with us, along with Kate Hawk's be good morning,
(00:02):
you two.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning. I'm just if we're all going to start
setting fire to our red bullcans like people set fire
to Teesler's.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I've decided Christian.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Horner is the most unlikable. He's even more unlikable than
Megan Markle, and that for me is so distasteful, isn't it.
I have felt sick all week for Liam and I
loved your correspondent from the BBC earlier, you know, put
a really positive spot on it. The lemb's got to
stay positive and I do believe that. But what a massive, psychological,
(00:33):
incredibly tough blow this must have been for a twenty
three year old kid. I just I feel sick for him.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Do you know what I like about that? And because
you represent what I've what I've felt this week is
that no one, this whole country has been invested in
this one story. So all I do is being on
about if one and people going on about and suddenly
we bought we're all left one fans this week, and
so the sport has benefited from people's interest and we
(01:00):
will at least some people will hang around for the
Liam story and that and that is the power of
an individual from New Zealand who gets to the elite
of elite, and that what's brilliant about the story is
that if one is the elite, it's not like any
other sport. It's the biggest sport in the world. And
it's right up there with the NBA and Major League
Baseball and football and stuff like that. And we're a
(01:22):
part of it. Can you shut that dog up? How
hard can it be?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And Doggie loves it?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
But I do think also that yeah, I mean, we
might be fans of f one, but I think what
we're fans.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Of is lead laws And can I just ask a question?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Though, like red ball and known for prioritizing immediate results
rather than sort of long term stuff like this.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Not like this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
This is an extreme version of it. And we don't
have all the information, Like we don't know what's happening
internally obviously, but it just seems that you know, if
you go out to dinner with the devil, you're going
to get stuck with the bill at some point. So
I imagine that Liam, being a smart young man, what
affect did this?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
In a bit? He?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, I don't think it's a good point. I don't
think it'll ruin him. He's still an F one. I
get all of that. But you know, all I can
imagine is that that he, of all the people who
had been promoted into F one, was at the right end.
He was at the He was at the I could
be a world champion, I can win a race, I
can get cups and prizes and earn millions. He was
at that end. He wasn't just at the back with
(02:25):
Sourburn all the other losers. He was at the he
was he was at the party. And then that so
quickly got snatched away.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Tell it always rises. He'll come back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, one would hope. So one would hope.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I just hope you can get his confidence back, because
you could just see in his face he just he
was trying so hard to be a team player.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He did. He looks.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
So two questions for you, Katie, because you're good at this.
So first of all, do you like Helmet Marco or not?
So Helmet Marco comes out this morning like Helmet Marco
does and goes it was a mistake and he wasn't.
He lost his confidence. Now that's brutal, but it's true,
So do you like that or not? And then second question,
what do you do as a parent sitting in Pocaco
in New Zealand watching a twenty three year old go
(03:07):
through that? Do you jump on a plane? Do you
jump on the phone? Do you have quick text?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I mean, are they not there? I mean I'd just
be there bubbing us back? So tough?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I just I just does that make you a helicopter?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
He's going to need something, He's going to have to
need some support because this is a ruthless, brutal, tough,
tough team. These are horrible, horrible guys, and they're all
about money and assets and just winning, and they're not
about the person. And that's why Christian Horner is just
so it's not for a minute that he's interested in
duty of care.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is so interesting.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
So Mike saw hearts and flowers, and then then it
gets parental and suddenly you're being accused of being a
helicopter and he's serving cups are hard up?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, SOI trying to drive through a line here, I'm
heading for the Chicane. I'm looking for the apex. Do
I lift off? Do I go through full speed. That's
what I'm talking about. So for you, as the older
member of this particular group.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Hey hey, hey, hey, hey hey, just back the truck up.
I just want to know what it felt like to
interview someone actually older than yourself.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
And Bob Geldoff very funny.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Anyway, the moral mic is not to get a perm.
See isn't that interesting? I think about that. Do you
remember when Graham Thorne got a perm? Did Liam Mawson
get a Oh come on, you can't have missed that,
Liam Lawson. Liam Liam got a perm. You got a
perm at the front. You got a front perm when
just before he started with Red Bull over the summer.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Was natural. I just thought that was kind of you fell.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
For that line, did you? I thought that was natural?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Have you Have you ever had a perm?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Of course not?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Of course not all right, don't take that.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The reason This is why it's interesting. The reason no
one gets a perm.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Is because j Mullett. Maybe you could have never The reason.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
The reason I did not, The reason one gets a
perm is because Graham Thorne got a perm. And when
Graham Thorne got a perm, the entire nation stopped. It
was the same. It was roughly at the same time
when Angela Dawdney got out of breasts remember that?
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh my goodness, can we just pivot to something else
that Angela?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Just imagine so you had You must remember Tim graham
Thorne got his perm on the television when he was
reading sport on television.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He turned up. Yeah, yeah, he did, he did. When
was that?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was the same time Angela Dowdney got out of
breast She turned up on a Sunday drama program. The
nation's leading news reader turned up one weekend on a
Sunday half naked.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Why just keep keep keep your T shirt on? Just
keep your T shirt on.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's a good question, Katie, But didn't stop it doing. Okay,
where were we? It was, Bob, very good question. Before
the book. So Bob Geldof walks into the studio yesterday.
He claims to remember me, which was complete crap, of course.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Really well, I mean, you know, we said we did
a thing twenty years ago when I was last year
in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, and
the only thing that triggered his memory was Malol McLaren
because Malcolm McLaren was here and he was particularly memorable
as an individual, the fact that I was in the
rumors and no consequence whatsoever. Anyway, first thing I say
to Bob, I said, I said, what are you doing
for yourself? He goes, what do you What do you mean?
(06:27):
I go, you look incredible. He goes f off. He
couldn't believe. I said, how you look incredible?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
What's on the news? I agree with Bob, I don't
know what you were saying.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Again, yeah you.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I go home and Katie goes goes, what's the matter
with you? He looks like a wreck. And I said, and.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You're like, what's your fitness resume? You look amazing.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I have five pints of Guinness for breakfast and after
that I get into the Scotch whiskey.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
It's funny you should say that, because because I said,
the reason I'm asking is you're lean and you look flexible,
which he does. So he walks. The answer is, now
here's the thing, and he was hiding it. He walks
a decent distance every day from his home to the
office in London, a forty five minute walk there and back,
so that's ninety minutes walking a day, and he eats
one He eats one meal a day and so he's
(07:19):
a he's an intimate faster, and so he eats at
three o'clock, and so he likes to feel hungry. He says,
I like to feel hungry, and I feel hungry each
day at about two o'clock. At three o'clock, I eat,
I eat anything I want. And then then he has
a scotch. I said, you drink a lot, and he goes,
I don't have it, not a drinker's lot, which I
thought was a lovely Irish saying, not a drinker's lot,
(07:41):
but I have a scotch, Larsta. When he arrived, he said,
we had a scotch, and I went for a walk,
and then he came back for some wines. So he
has a scotch, some wines.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
You might be talking out of turn here, because this is.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
All of I say, no, now, no, Bob won't sue
me for this. Bob and I go back twenty years here,
old mates, exactly. So anyway, he just looked like a
vital you know. So yes, visually you might look at
him and go, what a wreck, But he's but he's vital,
and he's alert, and that's good stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And he's still working, which is good. It's what you
were saying early about purpose, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
All the new research.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Says it's more important than anything is to have purpose.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Which is why I like what Aniston said this week
so much. At the age of eighty, does he look eighty.
I don't think he looks eighty. I think he looks
seventy four.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, he's doing what he does. He doesn't look eated,
he doesn't located just to just for a drunker and
a smoker. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Back back to that thing with purpose, though, I wonder
if he was confusing purpose with structure because he was
talking about and I think it's I think because he
said it doesn't matter what your purpose is, I would
I would submit that it does matter what your purpose
is because some of the greatest dictators in the world's
history have had purpose, and so purpose does matter.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But he was talking about structure.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
People who say, for example, if you're unemployed, you don't
have that you may have if you have a crappy job,
you've still got something to put a great to get
around itself.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah. Yeah, And I think that's his purpose. And the
more I meet the Bob geldofs this world, especially in
that area. I'm absolutely one hundred percent convinced that the
fact they still perform at least half because most of
them don't need the money, at least half of it
is the desire to be out of bed, to be relevant,
to have a purpose, to write a song, to sing
a song, to get some feedback, to be part of something.
And that's what keeps you light and healthy and well.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was a lovely interview.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
He's a really really lovely guy by the sounds.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Can I just ask one more question before yes, he
is a lovely guy, you correct. Can I ask just actually,
I'll give this away. I met my hero yesterday, well
one of my heroes yesterday. And you know they say
never meet your heroes. Well I met one of my
heroes yesterday and I had the best possible time.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Who's the hero Bruce Hornsby.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Bruce Hornsby in the range?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
But oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I thought, I hope this goes well. You know,
when of those interviews you go, I hope this goes well.
And it did go well, and it went fantastically well.
So that was that was my thrill for the day.
Quick quick question to finalize this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
When's Bruce Hornsby on you should take So.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That's a bit of question than the one I was
going to ask. The answer is, shall we say Tuesday,
the week after the week after sixth Sam's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is the deepest teas in the virtually easter.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
This is the deepest eas in the history of radio.
Layton Smith will be scowling at the radio right now, late.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Laon next to We've got Joe Parker coming in, and
I'm not going to be the one to tell Joe
Parker we bumped him for Bruce Hornsby. So Joe Parkers
in the studio, so that's going to go well. Now
it's not going to well, but Bruce Hornsby some time
before the end of the year. Let's let's let's trailer
that and see what anyway. Nice to see you guys.
Kate hawksby Tim Wilson.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
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news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
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