Full Show Podcast: 21 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf
Camp from US talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,
fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole
in the wall. Give Peter wolf Camp a call on eight.
The Resident Builder on US talks at B.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the
grass is overgrown in the yard, even.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
When a dog is.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Too old to barn, And when you're sitting at the
table trying not to starve.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
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thereone houses a long.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Even when there's ghost even when you go around from
the ones you love your most.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
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vesperall when they're going leaving the.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
House, even when wilban, even when you're alone.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, very good morning and welcome along to the Resident
Builder on Sunday. You're with me pet off Camp, the
Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk about
all things building and construction, whether it's the inevitable maintenance,
that continual care and upkeep that we need to do
on our houses to keep them. And I was going
to say peak condition to be fair, even just to

(02:06):
keep them in reasonable condition takes a fair amount of work.
So if you've got a task that you are thinking
about doing but not sure where to start, or perhaps
it's the classic I've started something and I didn't think
it was going to be this bad, or I'm not
sure that I really knew where I thought I needed
to be and how I was going to get there.

(02:28):
But now I've got I don't know, a hole in
the wall or a bit of something missing, or I've
started something and I can't figure it out. Well, give
me a call. We'll work through it together. Oh, eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. You
can text, of course, which is nine two nine two
is ZEDBZB from your mobile phone. And if you'd like
to email me, as Mike just did this morning, you're

(02:48):
more than welcome to do exactly that. It is Pete
at newstalksb dot co dot nz. So trust you've had
a good week. We're into the jim. As we exchange pleasantries,
let's say, for thirty seconds or so while swapping over
in the studio, remind to be the fact that next
week is daylight saving, which suddenly gets us into that

(03:10):
space where we're going, Oh, maybe I can do a
little bit of work in the evenings, maybe when I
come home from work, or just give me that little
bit more time. Things are certainly warming up, the blossoms
are out, and we'll be talking to Rid all about
things in the garden from eight thirty this morning. But
it does just the beginning of that sense of right
outdoor season is with us again soon. So eight hundred

(03:32):
eighty ten eighty. If you've got a project that's underway,
or a task that you would like to do, or
a tool that you'd like to talk about, we've got
some options there in terms of discussing all things building
and construction. Just looking back through my notes last week
on the program, of course we had Chris Penk the
Minister was very generous with his time. He said to

(03:57):
me on the way out, I'm kind of seemly formally
dressed as a suit. Well didn't have a suit jacket on,
but you could tell he was wearing a suit or
had a suit in the car on his way to
Thames for the unveiling of the Keith Park Memorial statue
at the airfield there at the aerodrome. Rather at Thames
and I saw that later on the day. It's a

(04:19):
very nice statue. I have to say, it's a very
you know how every now and then statues get done
and they're like no resemblance to the actual person. This
one looks really good. Anyway. The Minister was on his
way down there yesterday and I bumped into a former
colleague I guess of his in a sense. At the
Nelson home show yesterday. Neck Smith, former member of Parliament

(04:41):
now current incumbent mayor of Nelson, was out sort of
on the hustings actually yesterday at the home show this
is the home of Garden show on at Nelson at
Saxton Stadium or Saxton Arena. The political parties were out
in force. It was quite interesting to see. And next
Smith was there so I had to quick chat with him.

(05:01):
It's quite nice when you go to a home show
in a sort of regional town, regional city and the
mayor's the to say hello, which was kind of quite nice.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We're talking all things
building and construction. What's on your mind, what troubles you?
Let's say, what are the challenges that are there and
how can we help. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
let's get things underway. Can I grab Kate? Yeah? Excellent, right,

(05:25):
very good morning to you, Kate.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Pete Kay, I'm well thanks. Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes? I can absolutely How can help.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Completion of a seventy three square meter that has Jim
Brown's bay on piles. It's just past final I'm about
to submit for CCC today. So I was told it
would be smart to put some steel walls goldilocks type
material around where the popes penetrate, the floor, the subfloor.

(05:58):
What's your opinion of that to stop rats going in?

Speaker 6 (06:00):
Oh, I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, okay, they don't have any rats yet.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Interesting, I'm not sure that I don't think that I've
ever encountered anyone using steel wool effectively as a vermin barrier.
Certainly councils. So you've had your final inspection? Yes, excellent, okay,
I mean as part of that, like, all penetrations in

(06:26):
and out of a building should be sealed. So you know,
if there was let's say a fifty mil waist and
there's a sixty mili hoole saw that they used to
go through the flooring, then you would expect either a
bead of sealant around it or a flange that goes
round it to seal that both in terms of stopping

(06:47):
air but also in terms of stopping vermin. So I
guess in areas where that hasn't been done, or if
you wanted to take sort of an extra level of protection,
potentially you could use some I mean over time, the
steel will will rust. That would be my yeah, because

(07:09):
I mean you can get those stainless steel sort of
pot scrubbers and things like that, but a regular bit.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Of yeah, stainless steel scouring path.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, that would work.

Speaker 6 (07:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
To be fair, I've never heard of it before, never
thought of doing it myself, but I can't see how
it would.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Maybe maybe it's more popular in older properties because my
son's got to place down in Wellington and that he
was going to do it as well, and you know,
mine is new and I haven't thought of talking to
the plumber to see if he put a flange in there.
Maybe he did, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I mean it's pretty typical practice now, so, I mean
every now and then you see these horror stories or
you see pictures of horror stories where you know contractors
are just sort of smacking a great big hole in
the plaster board, bringing their wires out through it, and
not trying to seal the penetrations any any meaningful way
at all. So you want to prevent that text just

(08:10):
came through. Actually, yes, we had a rat get through
a pipe hole of around two centimeters, so only a
two centimeter hole, and the rats used to get in
through there, So yeah, I mean, look, sealing them up
is good. It also helps in terms of air tightness,
and I know that that might not make a significant
difference in the overall performance of the building, but stopping

(08:32):
all of those gaps and cracks that allow air to
sort of cycle in and out of the house is
a good thing. So if you can seal it, it's
a great idea someone else has used, like expanding foam.
You've got to be a little bit careful with that
that you're not putting too much in or you certainly
can't do that around electrical cables without protecting the cable.

(08:55):
But in your case, yeah, it's a good idea. Or
you could use some expanding foam, or you could use
a decent bead of silicon, anything like that. But sealing
those penetrations. Great idea.

Speaker 5 (09:05):
Okay, So that actually brings me to my next question.
Is I've got the insulation which has been which met
the code, and is I think ten sendimeters away from
the pipes. But I'm finding little bits of insulation on
the ground and then I can crawl under the house
quite easily, right, But would birds be getting under there

(09:25):
or is it just drifting off? And should I put
some fiber cement board or some thick policy or something
staples to the joist to stop that just sort of
blowing in the wind because there's quite a bit of
draft that goes under there.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Sometimes there is quite a lot of draft underneath there.
It can be so and look, there's actually an upside
to that. So in terms of ventilation and subfloor spaces,
lots of our subfloor spaces are so enclosed that there's
actually very little airflow, which means that they don't ventilate
particularly well obviously, which means they also don't dry out.
So there is an upside to that. But if the

(10:04):
air is moving around it's such a rate underneath the
house that it's causing the insulation to move, then yes,
you'd want to do something about that. The other thing
is that insulation works by trapping air, and so it
needs to be still. So if your underfloor insulation has
got lots of wind passing through it and around it,
it will actually be theoretically less effective than if it

(10:28):
was in a still space. When you say bits of
insulation sort of dropping down, you're seeing them. Is you
don't think that's just sort of left over from the
installation itself, or do you think that there would be something,
you know, some activity, something is degrading, or something is
pulling at it.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
I think it was installed in November. Well, then they
put a little bit more into meat the inspection needs,
so it might be a little bit some just leftover. Yeah,
but I'm just worried that it is exposed and we
could birds get in there.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Which is green stuff. Yeah, okay, well that won't degrade,
which is great. So it's not like the material itself
is degrading. Whether there was some loose pieces that have
sort of blown out subsequently, that's possible because the green

(11:27):
stuff is quite firm for the underfloor. Is it like
a roll and that it's staple to the joists on
either side?

Speaker 5 (11:37):
It's white, it's not it's cold. Green stuff cocoon underfloor,
but it's white or just tale cocoon.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Under floor and slaves by green stuff. Okay, oh brilliant, yep,
I know it.

Speaker 7 (12:10):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I have seen instances where what people do is they
they'll actually put like a not a vapor barrier. Because
have you done a vapor barrier on the ground as well?

Speaker 8 (12:23):
Well?

Speaker 5 (12:24):
No, because it's just it's just so open. Should I.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
There are advantages to it. I mean, the fact that
you've got lots of airflow possibly mistigates some of those advantages.
But generally it's recommended, and interestingly enough, of course it
is required if for a rental property, so in an
accessible subfloor space, you must have a vapor barrier. If
it's going to qualify for healthy homes, it's.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
On a sub floor, it's on a flood chain. Rather
so if it should rain flood floods from my little creek,
I've been told by the council leave it open. So
I'm just going to plant some star jazzing around it.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
I like star judgment, by the way. But anyway, look,
the vapor barrier in most instances makes us a significant difference,
right in terms of stopping moisture from collecting in that
subfloor space and yours. Given the amount of ventilation, you
could probably make an argument to say it won't be
as effective as if the space was less ventilated or
less enclosed. The other thing that I've seen with underfloor

(13:28):
insulation is people will install the underfloor insulation and then
they'll do a barrier underneath it, so like a building
paper type material staple to the underside of the floor joists,
which again stops what might call wind wash, which is
the wind you know, whistling through that area and moving
that air. So it traps a bit of that air

(13:50):
between the underside of the joist and the underside of
the floor and makes the insulation a little bit more effective.
So that if you wanted to do something, that would
be what I would probably do. But that's not a
little job either in terms of going.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Along building get some building.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Paper, yeah, or of a vapor permeable building membrane is
probably what you're looking for. Oh okay, yeah, do you
know any means of There'll be pro climber wraps that
you might be able to install, or you could have
a look on the pro climber website. Actually they might

(14:27):
have some installation there. And the other thing is have
a look at the brand's website in terms of just
trying to get an understand the of the building science,
in terms of what's happening in that space. There'll be
some good information and some good articles on the brand's
website as well.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Oh, it's quite tall. I mean it's on a slope,
so it's you know, a meter and a half two
meters at one end.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
And okay, then the vapor barrier. I've always sort of
argued that the vapor barrier has less impact when you've
got that much volume, but it would sort of emphasize
my point about perhaps putting a barrier to stop the
air flow under beneath your joyce more convincing. Let's say, yeah,

(15:11):
but have a look on the website and see what
you think. All right, lovely to talk with you.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
You have a great day.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Nice to talk, Take care bye. By then your new
Talks d B it is. Let's call it pretty much
twenty two minutes after six. We'll take a short break.
We'll be back with Helen in the moment. If you've
got a question, give us a call. Oh, eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty a squeaky.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare,
the resident builder on news Talks edb.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Oh, this is fantastic. So apparently the steel wall thing,
like everyone else is doing it. I've never done it,
never heard about it, but everybody else knows about it
and does it, including Richard and Alberta, Canada, who's just
emailed me. Yes, that is a recognized method. What I've
heard is stuff in the gap then for best results,
sell it in with a bit of corking or silicon

(16:02):
with awesome expanding foam. The steel will discourages the mice
from cheering through the foam. Never tried it, but I
do know of it. That's from Richard in Alberta, Canada.
Thank you very much. That's awesome. And yeah, hey Pete,
I've worked in schools for many years. Use stainless steel
pot scrubbers to steal seal around pipe and cable penetrations
to keep rats and mice out of cupboards and underfloor spaces.

(16:26):
Rats will chew through most material, but not stainless steel.
They certainly will. We used to have a particularly hungry
rat in the factory in my dad's factory and it
chewed through the door to get to the lunch room.
So yes, they are determined rats will eat through expanding foam.

(16:46):
Putting stainless steel wool and expanding foam stops the rats
from getting through. So it's essentially reinforcing because you'll still
get airflow through the stainless steel pot scrubber. But if
you do a combination, you like reinforcing it. Visions of
the Berlin Wall here. This is quite impressive and someone
a very good point, Neil, thank you. Remember to avoid

(17:09):
stapling into electrical wires if you're stapling some sort of
barrier paper underneath the house. Tragically, the kind of government
funded insulation scheme in Australia some years ago meant that
many thousands of houses were having insulation retrofitted, and unfortunately,
I think at least two contractors were killed by electrocution

(17:31):
when working underneath houses and inadvertently stapling product through live
electrical cable. So yes, there is some caution. Helen, a
very good morning.

Speaker 7 (17:44):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
We're looking to buy a house and we've noticed the
trend that, yeah, that the new home is not having
eves or having very small eves, and we're just wondering
is that something to be worried about.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I mean it's a really good question. And I
think once you, like, if you start taking a bit
of dive into what were some of the issues around
the leaky building crisis of twenty odd years ago, one
of the things that will pop up in the discussion
is suddenly we stopped building buildings with eaves. So conventionally,

(18:21):
you know, from villas up to you know, bungalows of
the nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, typically you had a roof
that extended beyond the walls, and so you had eaves, right,
And what that does is it provides some shelter in
terms of protection from rain to the walls. And it
also I think one of the most critical features of

(18:45):
that is it provides some shelter from rain hitting I
guess the weaker elements of our building envelope, things like
head flashings and the tops of windows and that sort
of thing. So, yeah, if you take those away, and
you imagine a tall vertical face that is exposed to
rain in almost every circumstance, rather than rain when it's

(19:08):
blowing in a particular direction, then yes, you're more reliant
on the exterior cladding performing well to keep moisture out,
but saying that there are lots of buildings out there
that have no eves, that have good flashings, good cladding
potentially fixed onto a cavity so that if there is
some water that gets around the cladding itself, it will

(19:31):
drain and ventilate and so on it won't be a problem.
So it's not it's not a simple answer of ah,
no eves bad, it's okay. If it doesn't have eves,
then what has the builder designer, developer done to mitigate
the risk of that? And so one of the ways
that houses are sort of rated, let's say, when at

(19:54):
design stage, is on a thing called a risk matrix. Right,
So something like having no eaves would increase the risk
of the cladding failing because it's less protected, whereas if
you had an eve then it's slightly lower risk. So
it is accounted for in design these days.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, And you know how you get some houses where
they have eve but maybe they're not as big as
some other houses. Is there like a minimum that you
would think could be okay for what you were just explaining.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, I probably, I mean, I'm thinking about all sorts
of houses that I've either lived in or worked on
and that sort of thing. And certainly, you know, a
house with like a six hundred milimeter EVE, which is
about as big as a standard EVE would get, it's
remarkable the amount of protection that they provide. But I'm

(20:50):
saying that kind of cautiously because i also know that
a house with like a two hundred milimeter EVE will
still actually provide surprising amount of protection, especially to critical
areas like head flashings and so on. I mean, look,
I've built houses that have three story for stards with

(21:10):
no EVE, So it's not Unfortunately, it's not a it's
a simple question, but it's not a simple question, and
you can tell by me sort of. I'm not trying
to fudge the answer, but I'm saying, you know these things,
it's a combination of factors, right, So you know, if,
for example, when you get so when you get to

(21:34):
the top, what happens. Does the roof extend out and
there is a facier board with an external spouting or
are we talking about a building perhaps that has an
external facade that goes up to a parapet and the
roof is contained behind that. That would make a.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Difference, right, yep, okay, and that's that's good.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Thank you for how Yeah, that's all right, Sorry, it's
not as it is. There is a straightforward answer, which is, look,
eves do provide protection, therefore they're good. But it's not
then an immediate assumption to say because it doesn't have one,
I wouldn't consider purchasing it, for example, but it does
mean spidery senses.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Oh okay, what's this going to mean is how I
would approach it?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, and probably from what you're saying, getting a good
building inspection done would be a good idea to make sure.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
In general, I think that's not a bad idea, provided
that the person doing the building inspection is suitably qualified
and experienced and so on, because, to be absolutely honest,
i've seen some building reports that are poor and don't
serve the client particularly well. I had an opportunity actually

(22:48):
chatting with someone this week and they were like, oh,
really excited about this property and we're talking about it,
and I said, well, look, I'm happy to look at
it in terms of send me whatever paperwork you've got.
And one of the things they sent me was a
building report, and it was one of the better ones
that I've ever seen. So good building reports are really
worth their money over and over and over again. So yeah, yeah,

(23:12):
but finding a good one it's not always easy, to be.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Blunt, And is there a trade that if you specifically
wanted someone to check these, you know, not having eves
yo trade you could get in?

Speaker 7 (23:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Look, I think if like for like, there are lots
of good building people who do pre purchased inspections who
have you know, extensive experience and construction. They might be
lbp's that sort of thing. But if you're looking essentially
for that next step up then in terms of analysis

(23:46):
and insight and awareness of building REGs and so on,
then you're probably going to be looking for a building
surveyor and you can find those on the New Zealand
Institute of Building Survey's website. And again, to be blunt,
their reports will cost you more than others. But when
you're thinking about your investment in the house, then you

(24:09):
should make that judgment for yourself.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, okay, and would you get there instead of a
building inspection? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, soister, some members of the New Zealand should of
building surveys, so registered building surveys will undertake pre purchase inspections.
Some might not, but certainly you'd be confident about the
level of qualification of someone from that organization doing an
inspection on your behalf excellent, no trouble at all. Nice

(24:38):
to chat and good luck, all right, take care. It
would be really nice if it was a simple yes
no answer. It just isn't for all of the reasons
that I've outlined. But yeah, fascinating. I didn't realize someone's
Mike has text me again. This is a rather somber topic,

(25:00):
but it's it's worth highlighting. Hey, Pete stapling underfraw installation
has resulted in five deaths in New Zealand from electrocution
in one case, and I think I remember this one.
Two family members in one instance of DIY as well
as some contractors. He's just been to the Electric workers

(25:21):
registration beat in Greek Breakfast and it probably was one
of those things that was talked about. Thanks very much
for that, Mike. Look, the risks are real, right, and
if we've had five deaths in New Zealand in probably
the last twenty or thirty years, and it can happen
so easily, and you know, in difficult circumstances, when you're
underneath the house and you're just trying to get the

(25:42):
job done. That moment's in attention can be fatal in
this instance. So the warning is real. Oh eight hundred
eighty ten eighty is that number to call. We'll talk
to Simon after the break, will be with you in
just a moment.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident
builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh eight hundred eighty youth
talk ZDB.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
It's this thing about Helen's question around you know eve's
and you know, are they a good thing on a house?
And it's not a I can't bring myself to say
it's a really simple yes no, But certainly there are
massive advantages I think of having them. And in terms
of so much discussion over last summer around shading and

(26:27):
so on, that houses are overheating in some cases because
we're not thinking about their orientation, the amount of windows
perhaps facing to the north northwest and the potential for overheating,
and again, you know, eves can be part of that.
Certainly shading as part of design is going to be
really really important. Had some of those conversations at the

(26:48):
Home show yesterday as well, which was awesome. Oh eight
hundred eighty ten eighty is Oh, I've got it. Sorry,
just hang on a second, signmon. I'm going to come
back to this text in a minute, but it's grabbed
my attention. Hey, Pete, We're wanting to build a single
level pavilion style house with a flat profile roof. Given
the new installation roof A rufer has said that this

(27:08):
is far more complicated now. Is there a system for
recommended solution or roof planning that works best? That's great.
I'm going to come back to that in the moment.
But simon, good morning to you.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
Sir, Good morning Peter.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
How are you not bad in yourself?

Speaker 10 (27:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (27:24):
Good things. This might be a little bit off topic,
but my son is in the market for a new
house yep, or a house, and we went to open
home just last weekend and the oven had a guess
hob and the supply to the guess hob was by
way of a ten kg bottle in a cupboard right
next to the oven. Is that is that standard? Is
that does that comply? It looked like it was plumbed

(27:46):
in probably copper piet But my I see I see
two big guests. I was on the outside of a house.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
That's right. So my understanding is that they should be external. Yeah,
And and certainly I've I've worked on houses twenty odd
years ago where that was not uncommon, you know, where
someone really wanted gas hobs but wasn't connected to mainz
and didn't need gas for anything more than just cooking, right,

(28:18):
And so a ten kg bottle is fine for that.
Undoubtedly I'll get a text from a gas fitter shortly
telling me whether or not that's true. But my understanding
is that it should now be external.

Speaker 11 (28:34):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (28:36):
Yeah, So in terms of like house insurance, it could
be a bit tricky.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, yeah, I mean it would be you'd have a
duty to declare it, right, if you had a question
mark about it, you'd have a duty to declare. And
then the insurer might look at it and go, yeah,
that's not up to current rigs. And then I guess
you've got to think. I mean, it's not a terribly
difficult thing to change around. And for example, I remember
texting a made of mine who's a very very experienced

(29:04):
gas fitter, and I was at a house with a
friends of ours and it was the same thing, except
in this instance it was a ten kg bottle and
it was outside, and I was thinking, you know, and
it was within a certain distance of an opening window,
and there is a minimum requirement there, so if it
is external, it's got to be a certain distance away.
I think it's like one point five meters away from
an opening window, and in this instance it complied with that.

(29:29):
But it didn't have a cover on it, and I
wondered whether it needed to cover, and apparently it doesn't
need to cover, but it did need to be outside. Yeah,
stay listening, is my advice. I'm sure I'll get a
text in a minute from from out the gas fitters
that listened to the show. They're out there.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
It just looked like, yeah, it's near, it's pretty close
to the heat source. And if the bottles leaks in
the night and there's no.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ventilation, right, so you know, if there is a leak,
then that gas is contained. And you know, let's again
let's not underestimate the potential here, because there was a
tragic incident again within the last five years, where in
a in a sort of like a little granny flat
at the back of a property, someone had done you know,

(30:17):
had a gas installation similar to that, so a five
ten kg bottle feeding the gas hob There had obviously
been a leak, and what happened is when they opened
the door and turned on the light switch, the tiny
spark that happens sometimes when you turn on a light
switch was enough to ignite the gas and the building
blew up. So, yeah, the risks are real.

Speaker 11 (30:41):
Yeah, yeah, stay listening.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
I'm sure we'll get an answer shortly.

Speaker 9 (30:45):
Oh that'll be great.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, yeah, here we go, it's already there. Gas bottles
must be external simple as that are nice to talk.
Take care, simon, thank you your news talks. He'd be.
If you've got a question, hopefully I'll have an answer
or in some cases, you know, I'm not a registered electrician,
I'm not a registered guess, but a fair amount of

(31:09):
drainlaining funnily enough, and I'll have a I know, I
won't even say that I'm going to have a crack
at plumbing because that's registered work as well. But look,
over the years, I've had the opportunity of working with
lots of super experience and professional trades people in those areas,
so understand a reasonable amount of the compliance in that space.
I do want to address this thing around the single

(31:32):
level pavilion style house with a flat profile roof, given
the new installation rules. A roofer has said that this
is far more complicated now. Is there a system for
or recommended solution or roof cladding that works best from
phil look on a number of levels. I find that
just a really fascinating question in the sense that obviously

(31:56):
the roofer is aware that the insulation requirements for roofs
has changed, and that we're moving from the schedule method
to a modeling and calculation method. And also with essentially
a pavilion roof, so you're talking about a skillion roof, right,
it's going to be a roof that's not a conventional
trust where typically if you look at most houses that

(32:19):
have a trust roof, we build all of that and
then we spread some insulation around on top of the
bottom cords of the trusses, and that's how we do
our insulation. So if you've got a roof where perhaps
you've got rafters only and you need to insulate in there,
then you've got some issues around ventilation, and you've got
some issues around interstitular moisture control. So what happens to

(32:42):
moisture that rises as it does hits the ceiling and
then wants to penetrate and stay around inside that insulation.
Good news is phil is there is lots of really
good guidance now on how to create those roofs and
make sure that they stay dry and healthy and that
there's some ventilation, and most of the solutions to it

(33:05):
are actually not that complicated. Again, i'd for clarity of thought,
I'd direct you to the brand's website. There's lots of
really good information on there. I built a little ten
square metal cabin a couple of years ago that had
a skillion roof, so a mono pitch roof, and I
did all of the work that I needed to do

(33:25):
to make sure that that roof space stayed dry and
well ventilated. And really it was just an addition of
a vapor barrier to the top of the joists and
the underside of the rafters and underside with lots of
insulation and then some allowance for ventilation underneath the roofing
iron as well. So there are simple, simple solutions for that,

(33:48):
but they do require some thoughts so great that the
roofer your rufer is saying we need to consider this well,
but don't be dissuaded from doing it, because there are
some really good, straightforward solutions to achieve it. Oh and again,
really good information on the brand's website. The pro Climber
website probably has some really good cross sections and details

(34:10):
that you can look at as well, So there's plenty
of information out there. Good luck with that one, and
don't let it dissuade you from doing that type of roof.
It sounds really cool. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
gas heater bottles are not external, they sit at the
back of the heater. Yeah, but I don't like the

(34:32):
idea of having unfluid gas heaters inside a house either.
I think they're a poor idea. I'm genuinely surprised that
we still allow them, and certainly, if I'm doing sort
of a looking through a house for a friends beforehand,
if there's unfluid gas heaters, I strongly recommend that you
remove them, not because they're unsafe, but that you should

(34:56):
they The impact of running an unfluid gas heater on
a house is just tremendous amounts of moisture inside the house,
So not a good I eight the number to call Dave.
Good morning, sir, Good morning, Peter, Peter.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
I had a an a part small apartment block with
four apartments built and three years ago and there's a
leak developed between two of the apartments. Basically, water was
pouring out of the light fitting s the whole plumber
the traced it to a leak from the apartment above

(35:36):
coming from the waist of the vanity, which was good
because we were able to stop it and not using it.
But unfortunately the plumber can't get access to the leak
because it's between the two floors. So I got hold

(35:56):
of the builder of well, I got hold of the
plumber initially that built, that did the plumbing and the property,
and he said, no, here was a twelve year warranty
on his work, twelve.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Month twelve month warranty on this work, and.

Speaker 11 (36:10):
He wasn't going to have a bar of it because
he's basically saying that the whole floor in the bathroom
needs to be lifted. It's a tile floor with a
heating system, just to get at it. And I've got
hold of the builder, I said, what about under the
building ten year warrant? I'm just wondering where I would sit.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think, by the sound of it, and given the
complexity and given the potential dollars involved, I would think
you'd be straight off to your lawyer on Monday morning
to get you know, the actual proper information from a
legal point of view as to what you can enforce.
I can't imagine that the plumber's got that much ground

(36:51):
to stand on saying, hey, look, I only warranty my
work for twelve months. I mean, you know, pipework like that,
and in that situation where it's high risk, right because
the risk of failure is that it impacts on an
adjoining property. I would have thought that just saying, honor,
I only warranty my work for twelve months isn't going
to cut it, right. It's it's the sort of response

(37:14):
you give in the hope that nobody knows what you're
talk they're talking about and will accept that. So I
wouldn't accept it to be blunt.

Speaker 11 (37:22):
And under the Building Act, the teen year Build New
Build of warranties that that which really covers structural that
that would have been covered.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And I would have thought so too, So I wouldn't
let that slide. I would be checking and I would
be going to my lawyer and I'd be getting because
obviously there's there's damage right as a result of this,
so the claim, you know, the claim is going to
be quite large, and I just from a practical point

(37:52):
of view, I'm actually wondering whether is your pathway to
fixing this going to be easier to go through the
property below, through the ceiling below, and.

Speaker 11 (38:03):
Trying to do that. Unfortunately, the property was under management
and the manager called an other plumber yep, who called
him after ours. His call out Jadge was two hundred
and fifty dollars just a year. Yeah, you know, it
was terrible. He never found it, but he did locate
that it was between the walls and said no, he

(38:24):
couldn't get at it through the ceiling of the unit below.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, okay, And I mean this is it timber floor,
a concrete floor. Concrete concrete floor shivers. So even taking
up the tiles, you're not realistically you're not going to
be able to cut through a concrete floor of an
exist well unlikely that you could cut through the concrete
floor of an existing building to get to the plumbing,

(38:50):
because you're cutting through, you know, a critical element of
the building. Structure. So I think you are looking at
going in through the underside and look, you must know
that all of this is going to be in the
tens of thousands of dollars to repair. Yeah, yeah, I

(39:11):
think on the phone to your lawyer tomorrow is the
best bet. All right, not good news, but I hear
what you're saying, good luck, take care. By then, having
been involved in at least one four story multi level
dwelling where you've got living spaces above each other or
you know, independent units above each other, I mean that

(39:33):
that's what you live in fear of radio boo back
in the moment measure God was but maybe call feede
first video Wolvescap the resident builder. News Talk said, be
your news Talks said, be. Look some great stuff around
this the roof. Right, So on the skill and roof design,
I go for extra deep rafters, but also add cassellated

(39:55):
batons to the top of the rafters under the parlins
for extra depth and airflow. The main thing is maintaining
good gap between the insulation and the underside of the perlins.
Cheers from Steve. Absolutely right. There's there's like I would
do something similar or I did something similar when I
built this little cabin. So I had my essentially six
to two jframe rafters, so lvl rafters. I had an

(40:20):
intallow mento building membrane over the top, and then I
put battons that ran with my rafters. So packed my
pearlins up by twenty mil, which allowed for airflow right
unimpeded airflow from the bottom of the roof to the
top of the roof, and then Perlin's on. And then
you still need to protect the perlin from the underside

(40:44):
of the iron, so I just put DPC there and
then put my iron on. Typically you've got iron with
building or roofing underlay underneath it, but in this case
my roofing underlay was on top of the rafters, and
then on the underside of the rafters. I used another
proclimate Intallo wrap that provides some control about moisture. Then
I had my batons, then I had my ceiling. That's

(41:05):
basically the best way of doing it is in my opinion.
There are other ways of doing it, but that's not
a bad way as well. Lots of detail on the
brand's website, which is awesome.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
We're back after the news viewing of the house extorting
the guard and asked Pete for a hand. The Resident
Builder with Peter Wolfcamp called eight news talks.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
That'd be your news talks'd be welcome back to the show.
My name's Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this
is our show all about building, right about actually making stuff,
getting out there, doing something, getting it done. And already
on the program we're talking about actually something that I've learned.
And actually this is one of the great things about
the show as well. I get to learn stuff. I

(41:47):
get to to find out or go and research or
hear from you about new ways of undertaking tasks of
achieving the right outcome. So using stainless steel pot scourers
or scrubbing pads as a way of sort of reinforcing
or plugging gaps around penetration. So you know, if you
have done a renovation, you've added changed the kitchen, let's say,

(42:09):
and you put a new kitchen waste in. So you're
the pipe going down through the floor. What do you
do to seal around that? Well, typically today you get
those plastic flanges and you put that round and maybe
bet it down with a bit of silicon, which is
good practice, but in some cases where maybe that hasn't
been done, and you're crawling around underneath the house and
you see all these penetrations, you're thinking, what do I
do to stop mice from getting in around there? Well,

(42:31):
stainless steel scarring pads, so apparently the mice will eat
through foam, for example, They probably won't chew through silicon,
but if it's a big gap, it's an awful lot
of silicon that you might need to use in there.
So stainless steel scarring pads didn't know about it. Apparently
it's a thing, even including our correspondent from Alberta, Canada,

(42:53):
who sent me an email this morning as well. So
interestingly the show has some international reach, as many of
our news ZB shows do. The other discussion point has
been around skillion roofs and the correct of make up
for them, the correct way in which to build them.
If you're thinking about protecting the insulation and ensuring that

(43:14):
the insulation performs well and that moisture is controlled, airflowers control, etc.
Inside that space, it's not actually about well, it's partly
about how you build it, as in rafters, nogging, perlins, etc.
But it's also the composition of all of the elements
that go into making that a really good space. And

(43:35):
I mentioned a couple of times the brand's website, particularly
because it's independent and I've been down there. I know,
I've met with a couple of the people that work
down there phenomenally. I mean I went down to be
fair and had to walk around, and then anyone that

(43:56):
I met and that I wanted to ask a question
about any particular part of the building envelope or anything
related really to construction and building, chances are the person
you were talking to you had to pa, which was awesome.
So in terms of like looking for a build up
and detail around how you can create a skillion roof

(44:17):
in such a way that you're regulating moisture and airflow
and so on, lots of really good installation and information
rather on the brand's website, and I did a quick
Google search during the break and really good information. They're
really clear detailed cross sections as well, so you can

(44:40):
get an idea of how you can build these things well.
And that's the important thing. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
So we're talking about that. We talked about gas bottles
and heating and eves are good thing and it should
be a really simple question. But it's it is and
it isn't. At the same time, brands are on a

(45:01):
hiding to nothing a Paul, guys, So this text from Paul.
Didn't brands approve the use of untreated timber and houses
prior to resulting in the leaky homes building crisis? No, Paul,
they did not. So simple answer, No they did not.
I think when you drill down into it, what you

(45:21):
might find is actually brands were a big part of
figuring out what went wrong and how we might fix it.
Certainly that was not their decision alone to approve the
use of untreated timber. Radio text as well, had a
new shed built? How much of the electrical can I do?
I'm thinking about running the cable? Is it okay? Can

(45:43):
I connect the plugs and lights? No? No, you can't,
as the simple answer, and to be fair, you'd have
to be pretty confident about what you want to do
in terms of running cables to ensure that you're doing
that bit of it right as well, and that the

(46:04):
right ones are going to the right places, you using
the right type of cable, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So I think as a general thing. Leave the electrical
work to the registered electricians. My observations around the novel
use of the pot scours probably arose because most male
trades didn't know that they were actually meant for washing up.

(46:26):
It's brilliant. I'll read that again. That's fabulous. My observations
that the novel use of pot scours probably arose because
most male trades didn't know that they were actually meant
for washing up. Regards from Owen. Thank you. It's very
considered and very droll and very erudite. I appreciate that.
Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

(46:48):
to call. We've also had that conversation just prior to
the news from Dave, who was involved in the construction
of I think it was a four story apartment block.
Now there is a leak coming from a wastewater fitting,
so wastewater pipe out of the vanity which has caused
water to drip out of the light of the apartment below.

(47:08):
The plumber is saying that, hey, look, not my problem.
My work's just warranted for twelve months. I'm not sure
that you get off that as easy as that. So
this text from Derek Hey Pete read the plumbing leak.
The Consumer Guarantees Act talks about fit for purpose. Also,
the body corp is responsible for repairs, not the individual owner.

(47:31):
Assuming that there is a body corp for this building,
you could tell the plumber that you'll complain to the
plumber and drain laz registration board or recover your costs
and of the repair through the dispute trope unal. That's
from Derek, very good point as well. Oh eight one
hundred eighty ten eighty is the number zo, Sorry, that's

(47:55):
the text that I can't read out on here. M
ooh pete. There is a dispute as to the position
of a boundary between two closely positioned houses. Who can
give an uncontestable decision to resolve this a surveyor. It's

(48:16):
as simple as that. So you would get a surveyor
in to determine the boundary, which in most cases will
already it'll be information that's already held, unless it's a
particularly old section, which are often listed on the title
as subject to parcel. So title subject to parcel, which

(48:37):
is a way of saying we don't actually really know
where the boundaries are. So you're buying this bit of
land and we think it's about the size, but we
don't really know. But in most that's quite old. We're
talking about houses from the early nineteen hundreds roughly might
have that. Almost anything from there onwards will have a boundary.

(48:58):
That boundary information will be held at limbs, so the
land information New Zealand and most surveyors will all surveys
will have access to that. So if there's a dispute,
a surveyor land server will come determine where the boundary is.
And that's your answer, right, oh Ian, Good morning.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Good morning, Peter, very well. Good I'm renovating the house
that was built in the seventies real equated around two thousand,
and it's just a standard cigar level dwelling with a
carrogated iron reef underlay that they've put over the rafters
and and under the iron is foil backed in the

(49:42):
foil places into the ceiling space.

Speaker 12 (49:44):
Yes, I wondered if it was compliant and whether it
was gonna if there's any moisture that it would actually
con't then spoil and then drop back into the into the.

Speaker 6 (49:58):
Ceiling space, and whether while I'm doing the renovations, because
I've done some roofing changes, and I have replaced a
portion of it with the regular underlay, self supporting underlay
and nesting. Whether I should just, you know, pull all
the iron off and replace it entirely.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It's interesting that they've used so when you are inside
that roof space, inside the ceiling cavity, looking at the
underside of the roofing iron, it is like the silver,
shiny sort of pain. Yeah, I wonder what motivated them
to do that at the time. I mean, it probably

(50:44):
fits it. Around the same time, we're used to be
able to buy plasterboard that had foil adhered to the
back of it, and the theory being was that would
reflect the heat and help with insulation. You can't buy
that anymore. And I'm sure the theory was right, but
it never struck me as particularly effective, but it was
it was compliant at the time. And I wonder too,

(51:07):
with that roofing underlay that you're seeing, the theory is
that it will reflect some of the heat from the
ceiling down, so any any warmth that's in there gets
reflected down. And when you took the roofing iron off,
what's the appearance of the top side of that.

Speaker 6 (51:24):
It's kind of bituminous.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Oh yes, it's the sort of black you know, the
good old fashioned roofing paper, roofing underlay that we've used
for Donkey's Ears, so that on the top had a
silver reflective foil on the underside.

Speaker 6 (51:37):
It's not so much paper, it was more it had
sort of thread through it. It was almost like it was
a yeah, it's a it's a strange sort of substance.
It's not really paper.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I think it's it seems like one of those products
that you might often see, like in commercial roofing installation jobs,
where you might have a large warehouse, for example, that
has no insulation in the roof at all, so you've
got sort of you know, trusses or steel portals, pearlins
across it, and then often some netting because of the
span of the pearlins. And then they'll have that type

(52:12):
of roofing underlay there because basically they have no insulation, right,
so that the foil is doing a little bit towards
trying to keep the heat in the building.

Speaker 6 (52:25):
I wonder if it was just that they had spare
a more underlay, flooring.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Underlay that doesn't have a bitumen side to it. That's
aluminium on both sides. So the aluminium foil that we
used to drape over the joysts as underfloor insulation was
basically aluminium face on both sides.

Speaker 6 (52:47):
It could well be that.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I mean, when I saw two layers.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Of it, well, yeah, I'm not sure, because the the
sections that I did take out were reasonably deteriorated. You know,
it just sort of fell apart as much as anything.
It was done on the cheap. Yeah, I've found other
issues with right through them and all.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Sorts of Yeah, sure. I mean the other thing is
kind of, you know, like, how does it actually perform?
So if you were to go up there on a
particularly cold day when you're likely to see condensation, So
if you know, even not terribly cold in Auckland this morning,
but you know a little bit chilly, if you were

(53:34):
to go up into that roof space now through the
ceiling access, would you see condensation on the underside of
that material.

Speaker 6 (53:43):
I don't see much typically when I go up there,
and I'm not there reason to move frequently at the moment,
and it doesn't seem to be damp or or inn
drip spots or anything at all. But what does worry
me is that while I'm doing the insulation, sorry, while
I'm doing the renovation, I want to add extra insulation
into the ceiling space. Yes, I'm just worried that the

(54:07):
change in behavior. Yeah, sure, and moisture being created.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Adding another layer of insulation let's say over the top
of the ceiling below right, which is the typical pattern,
as long as you maintain an air gap, and that's
really important. Once you get down to the exterior bottom plate,
the top plate's rather right, so that space there is
tricky to insulate because the temptation is to put insulation

(54:36):
in there which touches the underside of the iron or
pushes the roofing underlay up to the underside of the
iron and prevents ventilation. And that's a genuine concern. So
what you tend to do is interesting. There's a couple
of products that have come out recently. Where as you're
constructing the roof, you'll lay like a it's a plastic

(54:57):
corrugated material over the top of the trusses before you
put the pearlins on. That will create an air gap.
So even if you do push your insulation in there,
it restrains the insulation and provides ventilation. Which is a
clever solution to that detail around the perimeter. So if

(55:17):
you bear that principle in mind and don't stuff too
much insulation in around the top plate, that will close
off that gap, that's your best solution. I mean, look,
it's what you're suggesting is to take the entire roof
off in order to change the roofing underlay. And obviously
that would be maybe your best scenario. But at the

(55:41):
same time, I also understand that's a considerable amount of
effort in order to solve something that might not actually
be a problem. So if the roofing underlay is in
poor condition, or if you're seeing condensation, or it's laid
in such a way that, in fact, any moisture, any
condensation on the underside of the iron is not directed

(56:01):
to the outside and into the spouting and it's dripping
down on your insulation that sort of thing, then I'd
I'd probably go it's a high priority to fix it.
But I you know, with all renovations, we've got what
we'd like to do and what we can afford to do,
and so you're looking to get the maximum benefit from
your budget. And unless there's a really straightforward, identifiable problem

(56:23):
with what's there at the moment, you probably spend your
money somewhere else, you know, like it wouldn't be top
of my priority list unless it was a genuine issue. Okay, Yes,
that's how I would That's how I would look at it,
because in the end, most of us are not unrestrained
by budget, right, and so you know, the exercise of

(56:43):
removing a roof and redoing that is probably going to
be well, what do you think it might be fifteen
twenty thousand dollars exercise, you know, and that's that's money
that you can spend our screen. It's not a huge Okay.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
It's probably the only sort of eighty square meters worth
of roofing because I've already had part of yeah sure,
the other part of the renovation, but I'd be able
to reuse the material, so it would be strictly labor
and underlay.

Speaker 10 (57:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah. So someone's texture and they described it as a
sizeolation roofing underlay. So the foil is adhered to a
reinforced bitumen, which sounds exactly like what you've got, so sizolation.
So it's like the sizeolation that we used to put
over the top of joists. In an underfloor situation, but
specifically modified. So again, you might find that it was

(57:40):
a product that actually complied with the code at the time.
So while it's unusual today, it might not mean that
it's actually causing a problem. So again i'd be cautious
around that. I mean, if you're interested in Again, I
found it fascinating when I was down that I actually
went to Brands earlier in the year and they've got

(58:02):
a very simple, typical New Zealand nineteen to seven three
bedroom house sitting in their yard which they're altering. They're
measuring and then they're altering it. And one of the
experiments that they've done was how can we increase the
insulation and the roof space and what's the most effective

(58:25):
pathway to getting much better insulation And what they ended
up doing. Now I'm just mentioning it because it sounds
like you're interested in this sort of space. But what
they did was they stripped the roofing iron off, took
off the pearlins, the building paper and so on, and
then they sheathed over the top of the trusses with plywood.
Then they fitted a rigid insulation like one hundred hundred

(58:47):
and fifty millimeters of pr then roofing paper over that
Perlin structurally fitted right through that insulation layer, and then
put the roofing on. So what you ended up with
is a completely conditioned roof space because you've got this
continuous layer of insulation that follows the shit of the
roof and then sealed all of around the edges and

(59:09):
so on, so there's no airflow. And what you end
up is this conditioned roof space as well, so we
your down lights are and your ventilation and all of
those sorts of things. You're not worried about those penetrations
through your insulation because your insulation is continuous and above that.
And apparently the performance difference because they're measuring the building

(59:30):
at a baseline level and then they're measuring it afterwards
was phenomenal. So you know, that's that's again probably not
a solution that you might want to adopt, given that
you're already well down the path, but you know, it
sort of excited me, and I'm thinking if I was
part of a project in the future where someone wanted
to get a much better performing house, that's what that's

(59:53):
the type of solution that I would look at. I
think it was really really insightful to look at that.

Speaker 6 (59:58):
So they just put large sort of they put the
perlins over the top of the insulation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Yeah, right through, that's it. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So,
you know, and sheath the over the top of the
trust is. So there's there's a bit of money involved
in plywood sheathing over the top of that, but then
a rigid, continuous layer of insulation over the entire thing.
So you've got this whole completely insulated roofs space. It
was fascinating to watch, actually, yeah. Interesting yeah, yeah, and

(01:00:28):
the details are on their website as well, so check
it out. Hey, lovely talking with you all this take care.
So that sizeolation, thanks for that text underlay. He's talking
about sizelation. So it's a foil adhered to reinforced bitumen. Interesting,
And this is the dilemma I think that we all face.
You know, there's not that many people that I know

(01:00:50):
who are unrestrained by budget in terms of you know,
where if I've got a certain amount that I can
spend on my house and I want to get some
performance gains out of it, where do I spend that
money to get the best performance gains, and we're talking
about make it, you know, maybe more air tight, adding insulation,
making it more energy efficient. How do you prioritize what

(01:01:13):
you do? Basically it's bang for bucks is what we're
talking about. Your thoughts, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
the lines of free if you'd like to talk with
us in about an hour's time. Of course we're into
the garden with a red climb past. So if you
have any gardening or entomological questions, you can call rud
after eight thirty. But right now it's your opportunity on
this Sunday morning, the last Sunday before daylight saving. Kind

(01:01:36):
of exciting really to talk all things building and construction.
It's twenty six after seven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
wolf Gambi call on eight hundred eighty, the resident filder
on Youth Dogs' b.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
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(01:02:58):
dot NZ or see your nearest garden center. Z to
me I've noticed recently, and for people that live in
or manage an apartment block, you'll know this as well.
How quickly aluminium jewinery can fade, can get chalky, can
start to corrode away. So I've got Jacob here from
Nano Clear to let us know how that can be fixed.

(01:03:20):
Good morning, How are you, Jacob?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, good morning?

Speaker 8 (01:03:22):
Better, thank thanks for having me mate.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Now, am I right in understanding that you can bring
back that original color of faded aluminium jewnery so it
looks like new?

Speaker 12 (01:03:32):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:03:33):
Absolutely, Ken. So our process rejuvenates old and tired elementum
jewelery and it instantly restores the original color and gloss,
So then it not only looks brand new, but it's
actually protected for longer than even brand new jewnery.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Right, So for body corporates who are managing perhaps dozens
of units, this isn't just a cosmetic issue. This is
actually long term protection and cost savings.

Speaker 8 (01:03:53):
Yes, that's right. So replacing jewnery on an entire apartment
block cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. But well, Nanoclear,
we can recolor to something different or restore what was
originally there in a fraction of the cost and have
it lasted even longer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
So will it actually protect from and how long does
that last?

Speaker 10 (01:04:10):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
Nanoclare is sun UV and sea salt resistance, and we
live on an island surrounded by sea salt, and then
the highest UV saturation in the world. So nanoclare is
actually the perfect remedy for our climate. It's also chemical
and soolent resistant and a lot harder than normal paint,
making it super hard to damage. And how long does
it last. Well, we guarantee it'll last for a decade,
but we always expect it to last a lot longer

(01:04:31):
than that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
So if you're involved with the body corporate, your work
is perfect because it not only makes the building look
really sharp, but it's also protecting the investment and it
may not require as much maintenance in the future.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
Yeah, exactly better. So body corporates tell us all the
time that they love the immediate list that it gets
for the appearance and the resale value in tenet satisfaction,
and then the peace of mind knowing that it will
stay protected for so far into the future.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So do you guys just work with body corporates?

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
Oh, necessarily work with homeowners and business owners and property
managers and anyone that has aluminimal color still already that
they want to protect from corrosion.

Speaker 11 (01:05:05):
In the future.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
So it sounds like if you're in a body corporate
or you're on the committee and you're managing the department block.
It's worth a conversation with the team at nano Clear.
You'll find them at Nanoclear dot co dot NZ.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Yeah, that's Nonoclear dot co and Zed and you can
see everything we do in our hundreds of five star
reviews from normal everyday people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Great talking with you, Jacob, Thank you, Thanks Beer, know
your work, your news talk ze b if you actually
on that. If you want to know more, just check
out Nanoclear dot co dot n Z. Actually bumped into them,
had to chat with them down at the home show
yesterday on the stand. I was in Nelson yesterday, actually
lovely flight down, early morning departure out of Auckland on

(01:05:45):
little ATRS turboprops. Behind me two very excited Canadian backpackers
I think who were heading off to do the Abel
Tasman Walk, so hence the flight down to Nelson, and
they were I was trying to figure out what they
were watching on their phones as they embarked, but of

(01:06:07):
course it was the Black Ferns v. Canada match, and
then they were very excited when we finally landed and
they could see the results as well. Out of that game,
but kind of delightful too, sitting there. We were down
the back on the left hand side of the plane
and the pilot took us literally over the top of Taranaki.

(01:06:28):
So the exclamations and the oh wow, isn't that amazing?
Isn't it such a beautiful country from the two young
Canadians sitting behind me was quite quite delightful actually, and
just we probably would have been I don't know. It
seemed like we were right over the top of Taranaki,
bit a snow on it. It was absolutely stunning and
a little bit windy now to christ Church last night,

(01:06:49):
so it's going to be a tough day I think
in that part of the world. Certainly warnings from the
met Service around extreme winds and the fire Service as well.
It was interesting in our earlier bulletin. So you've got
to make sure you go out and check that. Oh,
eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
call if you've got a quick of a building nature
you can call us on eight hundred and eighty eighty

(01:07:11):
e Good morning to you, Hello, Eve. Hello, You might
want to turn your radio off because this is going
to get really confusing really quickly. Right, Yeah, let's go
for it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:24):
Okay, go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Hello, yes, go for it. Leaf. What's your question?

Speaker 7 (01:07:33):
Oh oh yes, thank you for accept my call. Okay,
just if I just briefly saying my story is I
get three? Okay, somebody come to quote me. I have
lemonaked thrawing to lay lemonon floring, and then the guy

(01:07:55):
can have a look, use fit the measurement, give me
a give me the price on a verbally mentioned for him.
Did you I was advised that this floor is not
even because it's the old house, uh flat down. Do
you want to have a look and you know to see?

(01:08:18):
And he said, yeah, I have looked at and just
a few more bags. That's all come pound backs and
the bags what maximum six hundred dollars one back is
eighty and so but maybely just two to two hundred
or three hundred backs, but more worn more than six
hundred dollars back. He gave me a fee all the face,

(01:08:42):
so I write it down and warrant here. I asked
how long the warranty? He said two years and okay,
and he said when he can come to do the job.
He changed the date a little, but that's okay. After
he started the preparation of flooring the first day and
before I leave because I don't live there any house,

(01:09:02):
and he told me, oh, I needed you need to
pay me the preparation free. I said, yeah, this is
already in the quote. You'll quote me. And he said, oh,
you need to pay me so on yourself and you
can pay me half or fifty percent or what and
whatever you want me to sign. I was signing, and

(01:09:25):
I was thinking, is that in the quote? Because we agree?
He asked me before he started the job. On the
same day he quoted me, he said, how do you pay?
I said, I pay you when you complete the job.
And because I don't know much about this work, I
will get to somebody now my family or other people
to trick a work. So good, I pay you in

(01:09:47):
full and he said, okay, but this is all in verbal.
Then after I think I better. I don't have any
hims reaching downside a message to him or call himself.
I want you to send me an email about your quote.
He said, yes, he will do, and then he did that.
So every think it's similar to what he said. The

(01:10:08):
only difference is that he write the compound back the
ninety dollars and I don't fussy about it, but I
did mention to him, and then when he died the
first time, the first day he told me. And in
the middle of that, when I'm leaving, so he said, oh,
I need to charge you the the preparationion free. I

(01:10:30):
thought what he meant was, I wasn't not too sure
because he said very brutally he said, and I thought
that there was in the quote, So I said, I
better go home to check and then and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Anyway, I just jump in quickly if so. I think
what's going to be really important for this is is
it a quote or is it an estimate? And it
sounds to me like it's an estimate because what he's
saying is it's not this amount of money to do
the preparation. He's saying that if I use two bags
at eighty or ninety dollars a bag, that's what I expect.

(01:11:05):
But if he happens to need to use four bags,
or five bags or teen bags, then he'll It sounds
like he's kind of got permission from you to do
exactly that, to do whatever he needs to do to
do the preparation.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
Yes, yes, he did a quote to the maximum six
hundred dollars okay. The thing that the I'm not happy,
it's not because the bags. I don't mind if he
needs it used more because when he started the job,
he said, oh, I need more bags, and I said, yeah,
you do whatever you need to do, make the floor

(01:11:39):
look nice, even something like that. And so he said, okay,
I can use more bags, said yes, yes, you know.
And then he didn't mention about any other fee okay,
because when he quoted me, I asked, I did ask him,
do you have charge extra our labor? He said no,
that's it okay. Then I see it okay, and so

(01:12:00):
no any other fee. I wrote it on my.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Fee.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
So what's what's the issue in terms of what he's changed?

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
He did?

Speaker 7 (01:12:11):
He did send me email, and on the emails it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Says quote okay.

Speaker 7 (01:12:16):
That is the quote is printed words quote okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
And then does he does he also say terms of payment?
No okay. So if if you were to pay him
for the work that he's already done, would that work?
Is that more than what the original quote was?

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
Yeah? Because he said here the first day in the lunchtime,
because I don't leave there, I need to go oh
and he said, ah, I need you need to pay
me if you pay cash or something fifty percent or
whatever of you know, I was signing anything you want
me to sign, but I was thinking, I was think

(01:13:00):
about it. I need to check the quote he gave me.
I thought, I thought that what he means was in
the quot.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
So but then next time or he messaged me or
something like if you don't pay me, I won't, I
won't h he and I want to do the layer.
And when I was thinking, then I asked a children,

(01:13:27):
do you mean this is extra? He said, well, hm,
that's for fear. You should pay me, though, I said,
but you have caught me as the labels reading cooling,
no extra, he said. He didn't answer me that, No,
he just said, oh, that's where you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
So at this stage he's can I just ask a question.
Has he done the preparation but has not laid the
new lemon Ae flooring, or has he finished the job? Okay, look,
my my suggestion is that I I mean, look, if
it's taken more materials to finish the job, then it's

(01:14:07):
taken more materials, right, So what I would suggest is
pay him fifty percent of the deposit that he's requested
or the progress payment and then pay the balance when
the job's done. And if he doesn't want to accept that,
then you might have some more negotiations. But I think look,
times are tough right and there's a lot of tradees

(01:14:29):
that are really struggling for cash flow. So you know,
it might be genuine. He's bought the materials. Perhaps he
may not have a trade account, in which case he's
paid for those materials and probably wants to get his
money back. If that's the case, then you know, I'm
going back on my word. But you could you could
pay him for the materials but not for the labor,

(01:14:50):
and that you will pay him for all of his
labor once he's finished the job. That's how I would
do it. But I think thanks very much for your call. Eve.
I think the other thing is it really speaks to
being really clear about the nature of the contract that
you have with the contractors before you start. And also
there is a difference between an estimate and a quote,

(01:15:12):
and a quote that has a variable like that to me,
feels more like an estimate not actually a genuine quote.
Good luck with that. We'll take a short break. We'll
talk to Sues after the break.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Squeaky door or squeaky floor, give the right advice From
Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
B You and new Talks, he'd be seven forty six
and Sues.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Morning, pea morning, just morning. I thought i'd just tell
you quickly. I'm sitting up the top of Picton and
I'm looking out over it and the winds starting to
build up. But the fairies in in the loading, so.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
She does too bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Actually, and I was in Nelson. I flew into Nelson
yesterday morning at about eight o'clock and actually it was
a pretty smooth landing and it was a glorious day
in Nelson yesterday. I have to say, yeah, I know
you'd say that, wouldn't it. But and then to get
home I had to find Nelson christ Church. It was
pretty windy and christ Church at around five o'clock yesterday

(01:16:15):
and we took off. So tough old day down there today.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, the wind. I'm feeling sorry for those Canadian was backpackage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
They're okay, they'll be fine, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Yeah. Look, I had some friends that have built a
new house in Nelson in the main suburban area, and
they were required by councils put two very large water
tanks for the runoff for their roof, yes, and piped
into the storm water. But they are not allowed to

(01:16:50):
put a tap on them so they can water their cabins.
And I just thought I was sensed by this, and
I thought this is ridiculous council stuff. But I thought
you might have logic for me, yes, because I can't think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Of any Okay, this is where I change gear, and
I think like a bureaucrat, right, And when I put
my I'm thinking like a bureaucrat hat on, which hurts,
but I can do it. Is there are basically two
different ways or using we're talking rainwater harvesting and stormwater control, right.

(01:17:25):
So typically councils, when they're concerned about managing storm water
are asking homeowners to help them manage the amount of
stormwater that hits the public line by in some cases
putting in detention tanks, right. And a detention tank is
there for the purpose of collecting water during a downpour

(01:17:50):
and releasing it into the public line at a slow
rate that helps manage the amount of water that's in
the public system, right. Or So, typically what you do
is you have a large tank or in this case,
two large tanks they empty out, which is the there
might be like a seventeen mil orifice at the bottom,

(01:18:10):
so that the tank fills up and it drains out
over a period of time, might take a day and
a half or so. But what that does is that
twenty twenty five thousand, whatever thousand liters of water that's
collected from the roof doesn't immediately go into the public
stormwater system and contribute to overwhelming that. So that's detention tanks, right,

(01:18:30):
good idea, very sensible in terms of managing stormwater. The
other what we're more used to is effectively retention tanks, right,
which is where we're retaining the water for use, And
that makes a lot of sense as well, but it
is slightly tricky to get a water tank to do
both things. You can do where your requirement, let's say,

(01:18:53):
for detention is less than the size of the tank.
So for example, some made of mine has just built
like a large workshop on the back of the property
let's say seventy square meters, right, and so his requirement
is he needed two thousand liters of stormwater detention, but

(01:19:18):
he's put in a three thousand liter tank which allows
him one thousand liters for rainwater harvesting. Now again you know,
because in the event that he uses all of that
water in the tank, then his stormwater detention capacity is

(01:19:38):
at detention not detention is now three thousand liters, which
is an advantage. So as long as he doesn't allow
the tank to fill up and want to use all
of that because if he's not using it for watering
the garden or washing the car and it rains, then
it will all go to overflow. Yes, now that works

(01:20:01):
on a relatively small scale. So what he's done is
I hooked him up with Bailey. We got a really
my slim line tank three thousand liters that's going to
get hooked up and he's going to be able to
use one thousand liters all of the time and always
keep two thousand liter capacity for his stormwater requirements. So
that's okay, kind of where it's at.

Speaker 13 (01:20:22):
Yes, I get it, Yes, yes, No, it's great and
extra money though to set that retention tank up I'm
looking at I understand now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Yeah, it's interesting. I'm looking at a project at the moment,
and this apparently in the Tasman regions it's not uncommon
as well. Requirement to have if you're not near reticulated water,
so there's no fire hydrant. For example, council are wanting
you to install water tanks for fire fighting. That's a
whole new thing that's coming as well, So that's going

(01:20:57):
to be part of that. And in some cases, so
what you need is like sufficient water for your drinking
water and then sufficient water for fire fighting, but you
can't use that water for drinking water because you don't
want to have a fire on the day that you've
emptied the tanks out. That's interesting. There's a look, there's
a lot of discussion around the use of water tanks
and look, they're great, right And what was really interesting

(01:21:19):
at the home show last week is lots of people
chatting with me about you know, suburban settings for like
more compact water tanks, which is great, so super super useful.
Thank you very much. Su It's lovely to talk with.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You helping you get those DIY projects done right. The
resident fielder with Peter WOLFCAF.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Call eight Youth Talks be There seems to be like
quite a variation in terms of the rules and regulations
regarding retention tanks, detention tanks and what amount you need
to retain et cetera, et cetera. So Werner from Ashburton,
I think check out the Ashburton Council. Our five k tanks,

(01:22:00):
So five thousand tanks do drain and we've got a
tap for waterank, so it's part of our consent. But
then if they're draining, do you end up losing all
of the volume or have you got what I think
my mate's going to be able to set up, which
is a certain capacity for reuse and a certain capacity
that assists the storm water as well, and you can

(01:22:20):
do the same. You can do that both in the
one tank. So interesting stuff. Thank you very much. We
will be back straight after news Sporting where the top
of the at eight o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Good measure twice God was but maybe called Pete first,
vid your walcare the resident builder.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
News Talk said B. I turn the microphone on you
with news Talk, said B. We are talking all things
building and construction through to eight thirty. Then we're in
the garden on the dot at eight thirty or through
climb past Jane. Good morning, Good morning, Pete. How are
you thinking very well?

Speaker 14 (01:22:54):
I have some high density housing going up in the
section next to mine. Before they started prepping the land.
The developer approached me and said that he had got
the areas of aid and my fence was encroaching on
their section. He said that he would pull it down,

(01:23:14):
put up a new fence, and take the amount of
land that my fence was on, which I had no
issue with. The issue I have now is that the
fence went up quite a while ago, pretty quickly, and
the gap between my section and the fence is probably

(01:23:35):
about eighty centimeters.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Eighty it's almost a point a to the meter.

Speaker 14 (01:23:45):
Yeah, I went out and did a measurement. They filled
some of the gap with scoria, right, But since then
the construction companies have changed and this next construction company
has had to dig out some more clay. You know
what nortal clay's like. And what has happen? And is

(01:24:06):
that now in some parts of my fence, I have
got that eighty centimeter gap and nothing between where they've
cut out my land in the fence and there's about
a four foot drop. Oh okay, I'm just wondering what
my recourse is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Yeah, let's go back a couple of steps. So is
the fence now on the boundary.

Speaker 14 (01:24:35):
Allegedly, but it doesn't look like it because they didn't
take down one of my fence posts which was meant
to be on their boundary, and they haven't put the
fence where that post was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I guess this is the beginning of the journey, which
is to I would imagine that if they as part
of the development and as part of their building consent,
they will need to most likely provide a survey as
setive a sighting certificate. Right, so in some cases, like

(01:25:11):
when it's a bare bit of land, you'll get the
surveyor to come out and put in some pegs to
indicate where the building should be. Right. So that's independent
as per the plan making sure the buildings where it
should be. And then once they've done most of the building,
they're up to roof stage, they need to provide a
survey certificate to the Council inspector to say that the

(01:25:35):
building is the size that it is on the plan
and that any infringements or you know, issues around heightened
relation to boundary, the building is the right size, right
that they haven't suddenly it hasn't grown a little bit
and all the rest of it. So what I'm saying,
that's a long way of saying there should be a
determination as to exactly where the boundary is, and ideally

(01:25:57):
at the front and one end of the boundary. In
the other end, there should be some survey marks which
are evident, which will be a peg or a marker.

Speaker 14 (01:26:08):
Yeah, I've seen one of the markers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:26:11):
That's on the front end of the property.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
And should we run at the back as well.

Speaker 14 (01:26:19):
Yeah, it's a long Probably they're putting on seven terraced
houses there. I haven't been to the back of the probably,
but I really should don't have a nosey only they've
just done the boxing and laid the concrete for the
foundations at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
So that should still have been cited and determined by
a surveyor so councils, you know, back in the day,
council would turn up. You'd have a stringline on the
boundary and you'd go, look, the plans show that the
house is five meters from the boundary. They get their
tape out. You'd have a stringline for the edge of
you're boxing, and you'd go, see it's five meters from

(01:26:57):
the boundary, and that accept that. I don't think that
they've done that for a number of years, so prior
to the slabs being poured, I would have expect that
the Council inspector would ask for a sighting certificate, which
should be provided and it comes from the surveyor, right,
So I just wonder whether in your instance here, you know,

(01:27:19):
I like to think well of other people, but it's
quite possible that the developer has taken the opportunity of
claiming a little bit of extra land and they've ended
up building the new fence more onto your property than
they should have. And you still own that space on
the other side, but of course you can't get to
it because the boundary fence has been put well into
your property. If that's the case, would I would go

(01:27:41):
back and you may have to involve lawyers for this
and say I agreed to a replacement boundary fence, but
it should be on the boundary. Yes, So that's where
you need to That's where you need to start. Is
the fence on the boundary. If it is on the boundary,
and then there's issues with so when you say there's

(01:28:02):
a drop, is that an area of your property that
they've excavated.

Speaker 14 (01:28:08):
Yes, so they've taken some of my property away, They've excavated,
so the fence isn't flush, the retaining wall isn't flush
against my property, so I've got my section grass and whatever,
and then it just falls. There's nothing there for eighty
eighty centimeters to the fence. A small child could fall
down there, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
And then they've obviously excavated their site, their side of
the boundary down to the level that they need, and
then they've put the fence there. And then is it
sort of like battered on a slope up to your land.

Speaker 14 (01:28:41):
Yes, it's a very makeshift. It looks very makeshift. I've
got they've put nails through the fence that hasn't attached
to anything, so I've got exposed nails on my side.

Speaker 5 (01:28:55):
It's ye.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
No, Unfortunately, I'm getting a picture which I've seen before,
which isn't pretty right, and it looks, you know, we
could describe it as slightly cheeky that in the event.
So what they've done is they've excavated down for their
benefit and then they've put a boundary fence in and
rather than doing a retaining wall, because they've done the excavation, right,

(01:29:17):
it's their responsibility to retain the boundary. They haven't retained
the boundary. They've just sliced a bit of your land off,
created a bit of a batter or a slope which
is potentially unstable, and then they're not worrying because that's
way cheaper for them. Right, They've just taken a bite
out of your land. If that's the case, then I
think it's a sort of legal letter around a cease

(01:29:38):
and desist. There'll be chances are on the plan there'll
be a cross section that actually shows what should happen
at that boundary. You might find and you could get
access to the plans that in fact, the you know,
the condition of the building of the project was that
they install a retaining wall, in which case they haven't
done that. They've just simply chopped out a chunk of

(01:30:00):
your land. So I think.

Speaker 14 (01:30:02):
Retaining wall, it's just it's just not against my sextion.
It's just not flash against my section.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
So okay, So they haven't backfilled your side of it.
Is that the issue? Oh okay? Right? In that case,
I think again it's the response. They're the ones who
have made the change to benefit them, right that I
think they have an obligation to reinstate your property. So
if you had a level lawn there and you don't now,

(01:30:30):
and there is a retaining wall there, and hopefully the
retaining wall is sufficient to hold the land level. Then
it's up to them to come back to install some
drainage material and fill it with top soil so that
you get what you had before. That's your right, so
you can just enforce that I want.

Speaker 14 (01:30:51):
What I had, So does that need to Can I
get that done before they actually construct it, before they
actually put start putting their houses us or do I
just have to wait?

Speaker 12 (01:31:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
I think you should do it now. And again, you know,
a logical developer or logical builder would go put the
retaining wall in, and then I can track down with
a digger and do the backfill before I put the
fence in. Because now in order to get the fill there,
there are ei they're going to have to take sections
of the fence out, or they're going to have to
lift it over, or they're going to have to ask
your permission to run wheelbarrows and that sort of thing

(01:31:26):
down and fill that in. But you should end up
with a level lawn. If you had a level lawn
before and they've made some changes, it's on them to
reinstate your side of the section.

Speaker 14 (01:31:37):
Fantastic, Thank you for for your help.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Good luck with that, all right, take care, okay, thank
you all the best. Change And look, this is going
to be one of those things that you know, as
intensification comes to main centers. This is the sort of
situation that's going to occur. And I mean what Jane's
saying is a classic example of all of the discussion

(01:32:01):
about intensification. There might have been one house on that site,
Now there's going to be seven town on your boundary.
It's interesting. I've sort of discussions you have during the
course of the week. So obviously for Auckland there's a
new plan change, there's new zoning regulations that are being proposed,

(01:32:21):
and I emphasize the word proposed, but what it's done
for people who might be impacted by that is kind
of just flattened demand. So I was looking at a
property for someone and it happened to be right on,
like literally on the boundary between what would be housing
urban and housing suburban, with the possibility that there would

(01:32:44):
be some you know, the neighbor's property. They could bowl
the house. And actually, even in driving into work today,
a house that i'd seen being prepped for demolition was removed.
It was gone, and undoubtedly that's going to be a
series of townhouses. And it's kind of that sort of
thing just flattens the demand because the uncertainty. Interesting to
see though. The developers seem to be back cautiously, but

(01:33:08):
their back so all of that activity, that that sort
of infell intensification type stuff came to a screaming halt
when house prices fell off a cliff. But it looks
like they're back. I have to say those but I've
seen two houses just in the last couple of weeks,
you know, bungalows, nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, bungalows and that

(01:33:29):
sort of thing. No attempt to recycle any material or
anything like that. They just developers come in and they
just plant a twelve ton digger there and they just
crush it, put it all in the back of a
truck and truck it away. And given that, you know,
a vast amount of that material could be recycled, even
if it's you know, I'm not talking about saving every

(01:33:51):
precious piece of Mattie, every weatherboard, every floorboard, and all
the rest of it. That's that's difficult to do, and
it's unproductive, and it's costly, and I understand that it
doesn't fit in terms of the development costs, but simply
crushing houses and taking them to landfill I think is
enormously wasteful when that could be separated out and at

(01:34:12):
least sent for recycling. I reckon they should start imposing
bigger fees on developers that don't bother trying to do
anything with the properties that they're about to redevelop in
terms of removing the old houses. Right, we're going to
take short break. That's my ranta. We've got. Actually, i'll
tell you what Recycling Week is coming up in October,
which is not too far away, with a real focus

(01:34:33):
on construction and demolition waste. I'm looking forward to having
a couple of interviews with experts on this field. The
reason why we're so concerned about it is that up
to sixty percent of the volume of material that goes
to landfill comes from construction and demolition. We are an
appallingly wasteful industry in general, and I just think that

(01:34:57):
we can't carry on like that. It's eighteen minutes after eight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Doing of the house storting the guard and last, Pete,
for a hand the resident builder with Peter.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Wilf your news talks. Someone stakes through and went, hey, look,
give the builders a chance to finish the fence. Man.
They said they still had the boxing in place. In
actually finishing the fence means doing the back film. You
don't want to hang around. That should have been done

(01:35:26):
when the fence and the retaining wall was built. In
my humble opinion, Tom, good morning, Good.

Speaker 10 (01:35:32):
Mind, Pete. I've got a question. It's an old age
one from who but me and the house. But I've
got some the phone's work and the writers, as the
speaker goes funny at the time, I've got some. Well,
it's a bloody leak. Sorry, I've got some lik into

(01:35:53):
some roofing. Yes, I'm going to replace the roofing soon.
But close to it is timber when you put if
you spray silicon on that, that right, too, wondered.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
I tell you what there is us timber will dry?

Speaker 10 (01:36:09):
Wrong, I got it wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
I'm with you. So there's been a leak. The timber's wet.
If you sort out the leak, will the timber dry? Yes,
most likely it will dry, and most houses, particularly older houses,
there's lots of airflow floating around. It will dry out.
It needs to be wet for a long long time
for rot to get in there. And if you're thinking

(01:36:32):
about silicon and you're talking about spray, then we're there
is actually and look, I've used it, right, So all
I'm saying is I used it, And to be fair,
I was a little bit skeptical about whether or not
it would work. And it did work. And there's a
product called ados Leak stop right, and it's like an
aerosol and it sprays out a silicon and I don't

(01:36:53):
know why, but after like twenty odd years, suddenly I
had this leak in the basically internal gutter at my place. Right,
So it's not an internal gutter like that bah bah
bah anyway, big long flowing, two long pieces, good overlap
silicon seal. Been fine for twenty years. Out of the blue,
there's a drip in the hallway, right, And it wasn't me.

(01:37:14):
It was a drip from the roof. And I got
this ados No leak stuff went up there, shook up
the can, sprayed it over the joint. Never a problem again.
So if you can identify the leak and you know
you know you're going to replace the roof and all
the rest of it. Then that stuff, well, all I
can say is it worked for me, and I still,

(01:37:37):
for the life of meat, I can't figure out why
that thing just suddenly started leaking. So be careful up
on the roof, though, Tom, or maybe get some young
fella to jump up there and do that for you.
But thank you very much for that. Eight twenty four
here at news Talk said, be a couple of quick texts.
Actually retaining wall posts potentially are the fence. Yeah, I mean, look,

(01:38:00):
if it's going to be a retaining wall, and if
it's about sort of seven or eight hundred high, you'd
like to think that they're not just going to use
fence posts for the retaining because you can pretty much
guarantee that that's not going to work. A couple of
people have also text in about the fence and what's
defined as we know the boundary and typically if you

(01:38:22):
identify the boundary, and there shouldn't be any discussion about boundaries,
right not in a modern sense. There's a marker. It'll
be millimeter perfect, it'll be installed by a registered surveyor.
You're not allowed to touch them. You're not allowed to
move them, and so you draw a line between those two.
You put a string line out that's your boundary and

(01:38:43):
then typically if by agree, unless there's an agreement to
locate it differently, the assumption is that the middle of
the post is on the boundary line. So if it's
one hundred bie hundred posts, both of you have got
fifty millimeters of the post on your property. Someone has
text through and said Often the developers might sort of say, hey, look,

(01:39:04):
the middle of the post is actually mice. Middle of
the boundary is my side, so all of the post
goes on your side, so you look out for that
as well. Give the builders a chance to finish. No,
not really, I think they should have done it morning.
We're a wasteful industry. However, it also costs fifty more

(01:39:24):
sent more to build a house in New Zealand than
ossie woke. Asm and recycling are good, but they'll just
drive prices up even more. Labor's not cheap. It ain't
wocism to want to make sure that we're not just
throwing away stuff that we could use. And I'm not
talking about you know, denailing every length of precious coldie

(01:39:46):
and remou and Mattai from the floor and you know,
wanting to repurpose it into coffee table. So I'm not
talking about that. I'm just saying that if you look
at the houses, the two that I've seen in the
last two weeks, that they've simply rolled in with a
digger and crushed it and put in the back of
a truck and they're going to truck it off possibly
a landfill or in some cases they truck it off
and do a burn off. Right. That I think is

(01:40:08):
not what we should be doing anymore. That you know,
stripping out windows, pulling the roof off and then crushing
the timber and sending that for recycling, as in going
through a chipper and being turned into either fuel or
turned into mulch or whatever. That's doable, right, And I
think that it should be more expensive to tip if

(01:40:30):
you're tipping with no regard to materials that could be
used elsewhere. And in terms of building sites, you know,
again just having a skip and throwing everything from the
building site into the skip, I don't think acceptable anymore either.
And yeah, labor is expensive, but that has a cost
on all of us for your lack of desire or

(01:40:55):
effort in terms of just doing some really simple things
right at the beginning. So maybe you have timber in
one space, you put your cardboard somewhere, you separate out
your plastic and that sort of thing. Just simple things
like that make a massive difference. And I've done it,
and so I can prove that it works. Righty Oh,
we're going to take short break. We're going to talk

(01:41:15):
all things gardening. Rid Kline passed along straight after the break.
It is eight twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering
how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
wolf Camp a call on eighty The Resident Builder on
Newstalks EDB. For more from The Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp,
listen live to News Talks EDB on Sunday mornings from six,
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