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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Skoda's case and nonexistent separation of Church and State brought
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church and state argument in a story so I can
(01:07):
share it, thank you, ah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And of course, the news.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This week has been about the Oklahoma School Board versus
Drummond case, this case of an Oklahoma charter school that
executed a contract with a Catholic virtual school. Here's Fox's
Channely Painter.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The conservative justices on the court seemed to signal they
are open to allowing the Catholic Church to launch the
country's first publicly funded religious charter school. And this appeal
to the nation's highest court comes after the Oklahoma Supreme
Court blocked the proposed online school.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right, So, you had this first of its kind Catholic
charter school, virtual school, and you have a school choice program,
and it's like, hold on, now we've got money that
is going to this Catholic virtual school, and so how
and that. So here we go and the case is
being made. You can't use public school money. You can't
(02:03):
use public funds for.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
This goal. Church and state, Church and state. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So, based on the questions the read of the room,
you kind of got a little bit of a flavor there.
It looks like during oral arguments on Wednesday, the Court
will likely find in favor of the Catholic charter school.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Which they should do to give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Headlines like this have persisted since Wednesday's hearing. CNN headline
John Roberts wrote, three cases dissolving the separation of church
and state?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Will he take another leap of faith? Slate?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The Supreme Court seems to think the separation of church
and state is anti Catholic bigotry. NBC News a case
that could weaken the separation of church and state goes.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Uh huh So what these headlines and pretext behind them
suggests is that these people have never read the Constitution
but pretend to be able to report on it, or
they're into actually dishonest liars. In fact, every person who
has ever said that there is a constitutionally mandated separation
of church and state either is clueless or they are
liars because it is not has never been a thing,
(03:12):
does not exist within the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's one of these things.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It just every time it comes up, but just want
to like scream. What it's commonly referred to as the
first reference to the separation of church and state in
the United States came well after our country's founding. It
was in eighteen oh two when Thomas Jefferson stated that
the government should make no law respecting an establishment of
(03:36):
religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, And that was
instructive because what he said and his letter was straight
out of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which dates,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom
of speech or of the press, or of the right
of people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government
(04:00):
for a redress of grievances. Now, what there isn't in
the Constitution is an edict that there must be a
separation of church and state. That was an invented characterization
advanced by secular interest groups based on a false premise.
Context is always key in discussing constitutional law. Many without
contexts have attempted to manipulate the words Congress shall make
(04:24):
no law respecting an establishment of Religion to mean that
religion and government.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Can never intersect.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
They can't be in the same universe, even same country.
Is probably a bad idea. This couldn't be farther from
the truth. The context for the language comes with the
understanding of our countries founding. The United States was founded
out of what a successful revolution against the British crown
use guns in everything. That's part of the reason why
(04:56):
first Amendment is you may freely speak, and one is
and you can have guns to kill people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
If you need to.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Very oh so yeah, I mean, not a mistake, people,
not a mistake. They use guns to kill people who
wouldn't let them speak freely, just and other bad things
to bad people. That's why we got to get rid
of the founding documents, right. So, anyway, the country was
founded taking down the British Crown, which had an established religion,
(05:30):
the Church of England. The Establishment Clause clearly states that
there should not be an established state religion, a law,
an official religion, and an official church of the United States,
just like the Church of England. That is, so that
we may all have the freedom to practice faith or
not to as we see fit, as opposed to government
imposed religion. It certainly did not exclude religion from holding
(05:54):
influence in government or having a role or being involved
with money. I mean, like quite literally on it. You know,
one needs no further than our country's founding document, the
Declaration of Independence to see how important faith was to
the founder. There are literally four references to God in
the declaration, starting with the first sense. The very first
sentence in the declaration says God. It says, to assume
(06:15):
among the powers of Earth the separate inequal station to
which the laws of nature and of Nature's God, of
Nature's God. Not the nature is the God, but of
Nature's God. Even the second reference is one that's more
widely known, but except by the former present by they
still reminded me. We hold these truths to be self
(06:37):
evidence that all men are created equal.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know the thing, the thing, sorry, the thing. I
can't hear it without thinking that anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And the thing happens to be the line that they
are indowed by their creator aka two dementia Joe the thing,
but the Creator, not the tree. The third reference is
stated as with a firm reliance on the protection of
divine providence, and the fourth reference is also one that
(07:10):
is generally widely cited. We mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes,
and our sacred, sacred honor. Now the country was founded
on the principle that our rights are God given, as
opposed to government given. It's historically what made the United
States different than the rest of the world. It's also
what led to the rise of our country being a
loose group of colonies, turning it into the world superpower
(07:33):
in the one hundred and fifty years. So there is
no such thing as separation in church and state. Quite literally,
we were founded on divine providence, according to the founders.
This is also why, among many other functions of government,
in God we trust is on our currency. It's why
we have a National Prayer breakfast. It's why yesterday was
National Prayer Day, a federally designated day. So yes, it's
(07:56):
for these reasons that the United States Supreme Court, in
order to uphold the constant Institution, must rule in favor
of the Catholic charter school in Oklahoma.
The Brian Mudshow podcast is driven by Brayman Motor Cars.
My family is a Brayman Motor Cars family. Your family
should be to visit Braymanmotorcars dot Com.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Your questions, Brian's answers. It's time for today's Q and AM. Today,
this is the Brian Mud Show. Yeah, Today's Q and A.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Skoda's case and nonexistent separation of Church and State brought
to you by me Listen Ashes, check Mark collections. Each
day a feature a listener question that is sent by
one of these methods. You may email me Brian Mudd
at iHeartMedia dot com hand me up on social. You
may also use the iHeartRadio talk back feature. Just go
into w jnol or via Patriot inside of the iHeartRadio app.
(00:46):
When you get there, look for a little microphone button.
See it, tap it. You may lay down the message
right there, maybe for a future. Q and A also
would love it if you made us your number one
pre sent the Brian Mudshow podcast number two precent that
we were always there for you fore on demand. All right,
Today's note is this at Brian Mudradio. Please break down
church and state argument in a story so I can
(01:07):
share it, thank you, ah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And of course, the news.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This week has been about the Oklahoma School Board versus
Drummond case, this case of an Oklahoma charter school that
executed a contract with a Catholic virtual school. Here's Fox's
Channely Painter.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The conservative justices on the court seemed to signal they
are open to allowing the Catholic Church to launch the
country's first publicly funded religious charter school. And this appeal
to the nation's highest court comes after the Oklahoma Supreme
Court blocked the proposed online school.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Right, So, you had this first of its kind Catholic
charter school, virtual school, and you have a school choice program,
and it's like, hold on, now we've got money that
is going to this Catholic virtual school, and so how
and that. So here we go and the case is
being made. You can't use public school money. You can't
(02:03):
use public funds for.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
This goal. Church and state, Church and state. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So, based on the questions the read of the room,
you kind of got a little bit of a flavor there.
It looks like during oral arguments on Wednesday, the Court
will likely find in favor of the Catholic charter school.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Which they should do to give you an idea.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Headlines like this have persisted since Wednesday's hearing. CNN headline
John Roberts wrote, three cases dissolving the separation of church
and state?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Will he take another leap of faith? Slate?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The Supreme Court seems to think the separation of church
and state is anti Catholic bigotry. NBC News a case
that could weaken the separation of church and state goes.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Uh huh So what these headlines and pretext behind them
suggests is that these people have never read the Constitution
but pretend to be able to report on it, or
they're into actually dishonest liars. In fact, every person who
has ever said that there is a constitutionally mandated separation
of church and state either is clueless or they are
liars because it is not has never been a thing,
(03:12):
does not exist within the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It's one of these things.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
It just every time it comes up, but just want
to like scream. What it's commonly referred to as the
first reference to the separation of church and state in
the United States came well after our country's founding. It
was in eighteen oh two when Thomas Jefferson stated that
the government should make no law respecting an establishment of
(03:36):
religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, And that was
instructive because what he said and his letter was straight
out of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, which dates,
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom
of speech or of the press, or of the right
of people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government
(04:00):
for a redress of grievances. Now, what there isn't in
the Constitution is an edict that there must be a
separation of church and state. That was an invented characterization
advanced by secular interest groups based on a false premise.
Context is always key in discussing constitutional law. Many without
contexts have attempted to manipulate the words Congress shall make
(04:24):
no law respecting an establishment of Religion to mean that
religion and government.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Can never intersect.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
They can't be in the same universe, even same country.
Is probably a bad idea. This couldn't be farther from
the truth. The context for the language comes with the
understanding of our countries founding. The United States was founded
out of what a successful revolution against the British crown
use guns in everything. That's part of the reason why
(04:56):
first Amendment is you may freely speak, and one is
and you can have guns to kill people.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
If you need to.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Very oh so yeah, I mean, not a mistake, people,
not a mistake. They use guns to kill people who
wouldn't let them speak freely, just and other bad things
to bad people. That's why we got to get rid
of the founding documents, right. So, anyway, the country was
founded taking down the British Crown, which had an established religion,
(05:30):
the Church of England. The Establishment Clause clearly states that
there should not be an established state religion, a law,
an official religion, and an official church of the United States,
just like the Church of England. That is, so that
we may all have the freedom to practice faith or
not to as we see fit, as opposed to government
imposed religion. It certainly did not exclude religion from holding
(05:54):
influence in government or having a role or being involved
with money. I mean, like quite literally on it. You know,
one needs no further than our country's founding document, the
Declaration of Independence to see how important faith was to
the founder. There are literally four references to God in
the declaration, starting with the first sense. The very first
sentence in the declaration says God. It says, to assume
(06:15):
among the powers of Earth the separate inequal station to
which the laws of nature and of Nature's God, of
Nature's God. Not the nature is the God, but of
Nature's God. Even the second reference is one that's more
widely known, but except by the former present by they
still reminded me. We hold these truths to be self
(06:37):
evidence that all men are created equal.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You know the thing, the thing, sorry, the thing. I
can't hear it without thinking that anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
And the thing happens to be the line that they
are indowed by their creator aka two dementia Joe the thing,
but the Creator, not the tree. The third reference is
stated as with a firm reliance on the protection of
divine providence, and the fourth reference is also one that
(07:10):
is generally widely cited. We mutually pledge our lives, our fortunes,
and our sacred, sacred honor. Now the country was founded
on the principle that our rights are God given, as
opposed to government given. It's historically what made the United
States different than the rest of the world. It's also
what led to the rise of our country being a
loose group of colonies, turning it into the world superpower
(07:33):
in the one hundred and fifty years. So there is
no such thing as separation in church and state. Quite literally,
we were founded on divine providence, according to the founders.
This is also why, among many other functions of government,
in God we trust is on our currency. It's why
we have a National Prayer breakfast. It's why yesterday was
National Prayer Day, a federally designated day. So yes, it's
(07:56):
for these reasons that the United States Supreme Court, in
order to uphold the constant Institution, must rule in favor
of the Catholic charter school in Oklahoma.
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