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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now we know that work on the City of Darwin's

(00:02):
new Civic Center development it's set to get underway following
the formal handover of the construction site last week. Now
joining me in the studio is the Lord Mayor of Darwin,
convat Scalas. Good morning to Yukon.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good Morningked. Before we go there, we'd like to congratulate
all of Italian descent citizens for a very successful Italian frstration.
Oh yes, I was down to the waterfront. The weather
was amazing, the food was amazing, a lot of people
turn up. Guys, you've done really, really well and that's
the beginning of a number of events that's going to happen.
And we know that very well.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Absolutely it's a dry season.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
So Colm, tell me what is the go with the
handing over now of the construction site for the Civic center,
because I know there'd been some legal jibaji or potential
you know, legal ramifications for the council.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
The land was handed officially to Dico, the company that's
going to develop the civic center. They're doing the survey,
they will start digging for the foundation. The great thing
is that the Supreme Court dismissed the court case and
now it's all system go. We don't have any challenges anymore.
Everything was done and we're very happy with that.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Challenges anymore, and we go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Look, the reality is we live in the twenty first
century in Darwin. Do we really want to sit down
in the twenty first century or the nineteen fifties. We
need to do it. We have a moral obligation and
legal obligation to provide a safe environment to our people.
We'll be talking about it for four years. It's in
every year the past four years is in a municiaba plan,
so people knew about it. Now. The difference of the size, well,

(01:33):
we're trying to maximize what can we make out of
the land we've got, so we don't hit the people
with rates increase all the time. Having a four hundred
and fifty car parks this is going to provide income
to the council. And having ten stories above on the
council building is going to provide rate payments to the council.
So council is going to have another source of income
rather hit taxpayers all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
So com what's the next step from council's perspective. I mean,
obviously that site's now being handed over to DECO, who
won the tender to do that job. What's the next
step from your perspective, Well, for.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
The next two years until it finished, will be staying
where we are because we don't want to actually spend
five six seven million dollars renting property. And when it finishes,
we will move to the new building and the old
buildings will demolished. Apart from the worlds have got some
significant heritage issues that will provide a huge open space
that will open the whole land towards Governor Street, a

(02:24):
great piazza, and also will protect the history of heritage
which currently is constrained by the building that surrounds you.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
So from what you are saying now, the council, you know,
there really isn't going to be any room to stop
that development.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
To those people that don't want it to go.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I don't know, but I mean the first challenge we've
caught it was this my Supreme Court. Because the reality
is we've done everything by the book. We had a
pro auditor from the very beginning, the government had a
look at it. The Minister signed the approval for the loan.
So councils try to do everything and not try it.
We did everything by the book because we have to.
We're legally obliged to follow the Act and we did that.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
One con can I move on to a different topic
that's actually I guess for you as mayor, but also
with your hat on with LEGAN, the Local Government Association
of the Northern Territory, because my understanding is that the
Northern Territory government's proposing changing the Local Government Act so
that all mayors are elected by councilors instead of voters.

(03:25):
Now I know that this is it's still very much
at the consultation phase. But what's the situation and what
are your thoughts on potentially moving down this path rather
than the mayor being elected by the people of the
Northern Territory.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, last week we had a LEGAN meeting down in Catherine.
We're participating all the members, and the members really blusted
the Department of Local Government for their proposals they put out.
Not only that, but also blasted the Department because they
failed to consult with the industry when they put the
first trunch of changes. Because the government's going to do
number of changes, and now that have put another two

(04:02):
discussion papers in on the second discussion papers the proposing
change of the way we elect the mayors. I can't
see the reason if it's not broken what you're trying
to achieve. Not only that, but when the Department puts
something out it should be factually correct and what they
put out its borderline misinformation. I'll give you an example.

(04:23):
They're telling us that the trend now is to move
away from directly elected mayors to mayors elected by the council.
That's incorrect. Queensland or mayors are elected by the public
Tasmania or mayors elect by the public from the next year.
South Australa is moving to elect by the public. New
South Wales got a hybrid both public and thin. The

(04:45):
players that have got the most problems with the local
government casquere Victoria, where the mayors are elected by the councilors.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah. Look, and I did hear Steve Edgington, the Minister
for Local Government, speaking on the IBC yesterday morning.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
He said it's very.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Much in the consultation phase. But what I think is
really interesting is I sort of wonder if if the
government was to go down this path, are we then
going to see sort of political factions coming into play.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
On our local governments.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I e. If you've got a hanful of Greens, let's
say on the Darwin City Council, or a handful of
colp aligned you know, aldermen or counselors, are we going
to then end up with the mayor that they vote
in or that they've got the numbers to push for.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
That's exactly what's happening in Victoria. It's very political. The
people doing the numbers, they are aligning and elect a
person that's actually aligned to one political party. Thank god,
in the territory, we don't hear that if you look
today at the that was the country. Let's say, for example,
I mean I come from the Level party. Everybody knows
that one Mick Palmer come from a Liberal party and
the others come from whenever we're we are, but we

(05:52):
never aligned politically to make decisions. We make desues the
best of our ability, the best of our knowledge, at
the best for our community.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Well, the other thing that I see being a real
issue with it is if you've got a fantastic candidate
that puts their hand up for me, but they do
not have any alliances on the council, how do they
go about then trying to elevate themselves to get into.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
That point, and why you want to destroy democracy. This
is a democratic process. Let the people decide if they
want their own mayor or not. Now ministers said, oh, well,
if here's the elector, can remove them. Wrong, minister, you
can remove them by going to the end cut. But
also we have actually warned you about that fixed the
Code of conduct and then you can have the mechanism
induction penalize people either by suspend them for a period

(06:35):
of time and monitor penalty. Now I have to admit
it's not this minister's fault. It was the previous government
and I had a big argument with the previous minister,
asked him it was a stubid idea to remove the
penalties and I was proven right.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
So the Colpea government's now just staying on the same
parth the Libor Party government, you.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Know the third Discussion paper. Now they come up with
some changes on the Code of Conduct and want to
introduce monetary penalties and suspensions, which actually the right way
to go. It should he be done a long time ago.
It was not up to their creage. Now they're talking
about it. But again with regard to the elections. It's
not Brokens what we trying to fix.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
So con from Legant's perspective, they're not supportive of this change.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, our members are not supportive of this change. We've
got sixteen councils, sixteen council express really concerned about that. One.
Some countries of the territory the elect the mayor inside
from the elected members. That's fine, it's their freedom to
do it. There are small councils that can do it,
but the big cities, why you want to do it?
I mean, there's nothing is broken.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Well, but I also think it's really important for Territorians
to have their say on who they think should be
the mayor. Whether you live or Palmerston or wherever you
may live. I think it's important for Territorians to determine that,
not for party factions or you know, or council factions
to get to determine then who the mayor is going

(07:52):
to be.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
I feel quite strongly.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
My great concern is when we change the system. If
we change the system, the mayor will spend more time
doing the numbers than doing Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's exactly right, Coln. Let's go back to council topics.
I know the Council's reminding people to correctly dispose of
household batteries. After a fire broke out in a recycling
truck caused by a lithium ion battery, how bad.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Was well, fortunately we didn't lose the truck. That was
immediately was found out that the driver was alerted. And
the problem is we've got something like that, we have
to enter the truck in order to prevent the fire.
The warring thing is this is happened to Darwin now,
But when I looked around in Australia, there are many
councils that had exactly the same instant with people disposing

(08:36):
their batteries not properly and causing these kind of problems. Look,
there are pleasure you can dispose your buttteries if you
come to the council, we can actually have a site
to dispose your living batteries. I've seen in some of
the other detailers they've got players to dispose your liting batteries.
Lifting butteries are very interesting. They're very very good to
actually power electronic equipment. But something goes wrong with them

(08:56):
that cats fire and then the fire does not extinguish,
and if you put water it's even worse, it gets worse,
So I suggest please so all day there's a place
to dispose your batteries. Civic Center is a place to
dispose your batteries and of course as a shragment station
are the Nightclift Community Center.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So all right, so make sure that you dispose of
them correctly. Con I know that you touched on obviously
the Italian Festival happening. There's so many wonderful events, the
Sea Breeze Festival as well over the course of the weekend.
But my understanding is that the council is actually hosting
a free community event at the Jingling Water Gardens this Saturday.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
What's planned, Well, this is.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
A community event. You know, in the community events, you
turn up with your family and your kids and you
enjoy beautiful day out at the beautiful surroundings that will
be going to be a lot of food, vents, are
going to be opportunities for you to play and from
once I tend before, boy, it's fun to be there
and suddenly I will be there. I love to listen
to the voices of kids excited running around and I

(09:52):
like to see the families be there. From nine am
to twelve twelve mid day this Saturday, seventeenth of May
are the g The gardens is organized by the Council
and the Channel World elected members. It would be the
first one and I want to see it happening not
only in Jingly but in other places like tilly Anula
and everything else. Let's bring the parts back to life

(10:15):
and guess what, You're not going to have the problems
we usually have with well.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Yeah, we can only hope.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Hey, I also know that the City of Darwin's teaming
up or partnering with Sport for All, Australia's leading disability
inclusion program.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
What's this all about.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, Sports for All is or an award winning program
was developed by Get Skill Access, a disability business that
was founded by a paralybical metallist and Grand Slam champion,
Dylan alcott Ao. So we want actually to make life
easier for people with disabilities to access for events. And
at the end of the day, this place belongs to everybody,

(10:48):
not to able body people, and we want people disabilities
to be able to go out there and actually use
our sport facilities the same way everybody else. So the
program is funded by the Australian government. WET with Sports
for All, which is the Australian's leading disability inclusion program,
and that collaboration will underscore a share commitment to create
welcoming and accessible environment within our in sporting areas. If

(11:12):
you've got disability, you've got a child with disability, with disability,
we want that person to be able to access our
sporting grounds the same way. Me and I doing it
and partnering with Sports for All, we can make it happen.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Well, Lord Mayor convat Scalas, I will let you go,
but I know you'll probably be interested to hear this
as well. It's a big morning politically obviously the Northern
Territory budget being handed down, but it is now being
reported in very much breaking news on Sky News that
Susan Lee has been elected as the first female leader
of the Federal Liberal Party after defeating rival candidate Angus

(11:47):
Taylor in a tightly contested ballot. She won that ballot
this morning after stepping up from deputy to acting leader
following our former leader Peter Dutton's ousting from the parliament.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Congratulations one of the commoners that the comments I actually
heard and read in the media was the Liberal Party
lost the women's vote. Women voted labor overwhelmingly. One of
the criticisms from within the Liberal party was we did
not pre select women with pre select blogs, and guys,
guess what fifty percent population are women. If you don't

(12:20):
change your attitude, you remain outside the cities, and you
remain in a position for a long time. Congrastulatus, and
I hope this is the beginning of a new year
for the Liberal.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Part, just a very quick one.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Anything you're hoping to see from the Northern Territory budget
when it turned it down today.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I know they're talking about crime and law and order,
which is actually important. I would like to see more
police on the streets. I would like to see instead
of putting kids on prison, putting kids in camps where
they can learn to read and write, because I bet
you most of them don't, and camps where they can
learn some skills. But the important thing is invest in
the communities. If you don't invest the communities to have

(12:56):
opportunities for jobs and recreation, all these young kids will
leave to come to the bright lights of Darwin and
other springs, and we will have problems.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Also very quickly.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Nightcliff has absolutely been in the headlines following the tragedy.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
That we saw there a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
But we've had so many incidents of crime, really terrible
stuff happening in recent days. There was a teenager who
sexually assaulted women on the Foreshow. Allegedly there was also
another teenager who was hitting cars with a metal pole
and allegedly threatening.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
People throwing bricks.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, has the council.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Seen an increase in crime in the nightcliff, in that
ward or in that area, and are there different things
that counselors had to do, you know, to try and
make sure the streets are clean and that kind of
thing within council's realm.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
We're trying to prevent crime by changing the conditions of
the area and night giveins versity significant amount of money
to put lights in the Foreshore, so much as one
council complaint to us there's too much light in the Foreshow,
but we believe that if you greve lights then you
deter people doing stupid things. But come on, you know
very well, unless there's police patrolling the streets, this reef raven,

(14:05):
this law life will continue to stupid things. When we
had police on the streets, we didn't he remember five
years ago, ten years ago, we didn't have this kind
of instance which we have now.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
I know the government's trying to bring police on the streets,
but I'm still away.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
We need more of them.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm still awaiting con Would you support the government having
private security in the Nightcliff area?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, they can, but what are they going to do.
The only thing they do is actually they look in
the blue uniforms and probably will deter people actually doing
something in the open. But when you throw a brick
in the dark to a car, and doesn't matter how
much security, if youve got on the streets, nothing's going
to happen. But if you've got police cars patrol in
the streets, people realize that this police can actually arrest them,
move them, take them the back of the van and

(14:48):
charge them. Security cannot do that.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Well, convat Scarlets, the Lord Mayor of Darwin. Always good
to catch up with you. Thank you so much, great
time this morning.
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