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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now. I'm not sure if you've seen the Australian newspaper today,
but they have been running a series of articles about
the issues plaguing Alice Springs. We spoke to Meyor Matt
Patterson about this earlier in the week. Now today, Labour's
Member for Lingiari has spoken to The Australian and said
that youth justice laws need to stop treating criminal miners
as little angels and start applying tough love to lawless children.
(00:24):
In what has been described as an extraordinary intervention against
her own party's handling of the Northern Territory youth crime crisis,
Marian Scrimjaw's told the paper authorities need to stop pussy
footing around on juveniles, that the decision to raise the
age of criminal responsibility is not working, and that it's
time for parents to be held accountable for their children's actions.
(00:48):
So we are going to catch up with Marian Scrimdaw
just after ten o'clock this morning, but the Member for
Namajira and Opposition Spokesperson for Treasury, Bill Yan joins me
on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good morning Bill, Good morning Katie. In the morning everyone
up in the top end.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bill, what do you make of Marion Stringjaw's comments this morning.
I mean she sounds as frustrated as the rest of
the territory.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I think Mary's a bit of a realist. If
you look at what's been happening in Central Australia, Josh
Robin and myself and now Marion have been coming out
saying that what labor here in the territory is doing
is not working, and so we live it every day
because we're in the community. The only ones that are
not I suppose taking any nose or don't actually understand
(01:34):
is labor themselves. For years, we've been talking about this,
the issues that we've been seeing in our community, and
the only ones that are not listening labor. So the
stuff that Liam Mendez has been doing during the week
sadly a highlighted nationally issues that we still face in
our springs. It's just it's ongoing. It's absolutely relentless and
(02:00):
when we're not seeing any relief in our community, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, we're one hundred days in, are we in the
in the summer plan? I mean I would imagine the
police working their butts off to try and keep things
under control. But how's it going one hundred days since
that summer plan was implemented in Alice.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I don't think we've seen any change at all, Katie. Sadly,
we're still seeing high levels of crime, high levels of
youth crime, and the fact that the Police Minister Brent
Potter come out with his with his zero tolerance statement.
I'll tell you what, the people of Central Australia run
out of tolerance for labor's bullshit when it comes to
these these words. I suppose mindless platitudes that being trainers,
(02:43):
that we want some action, and from personal experience, you
see the level of lawlessness that's happening now in town.
I was attacked, an assaulted. No, I suppose about three
or four weeks ago, a group of five kids. When
these kids, I reckon, I was a little wire. It
was a couple of weeks ago, back in January. I said,
(03:05):
there's five kids on a Sunday afternoon. I said, I
was attacked. I said, coming to the eight of some
other people, and well, I reckon, the oldest might have
been fourteen to fifteen and the youngest was probably about ten.
And one of the attackers was actually wearing an ankle bracelet.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So sorry, can I just repeat that place? And Bill,
you were attacked by a group of how many youths? Five?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There was five a year a little while ago, so
it may be about three or four weeks. I suppose. Well,
you were wanting to make a big deal of it.
I said, yeah, yeah, I said, some cuts and bruises
and doing a bit of duck and them we even
here and there, and I zigged when I should have
zagged and wore a few rocks. But shoody, hell, it's
not something not something I really wanted to make public
(03:54):
because I got to respect. I said, more privacy, and
of course the privacy the people that I was helping.
But it's at a time now when I said even
I've had enough. You see this stuff continuing day after
day after day and nothing is changing. And Marian's had
the Coage come out and say, yeah, well, what Territory Labor,
what Territory Labor are doing is not working and it's
(04:17):
not helping our community. She's had the Coage come out
and say, well, they need to do something different. And
there's garbage that they're going to do a review in
the Youth Justice and not release the finance until after
the bloody election again. It's just again, it is just
absolute garbage and spin. They changed the Youth Justice back
back in two thousand and ninety. They created the problems
(04:39):
with those changes, and now I said, the rest of
us are paying the christ for that bill.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Look, I know I understand that that you know, you're
not making wanting to make a big deal of the
fact that you got attacked by a group of young people,
But like, what time of the day did that happen?
Will you? Like? I mean, I've got a lot of questions.
I did, luck, are you all right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, So I said, a few cuts and bruises middle
on Sunday, I said, Sunday afternoon at home, so I said,
coming to the aids some other people, I said, I
respect their privacy and I respect Yeah, that's why I've
never really spoken about this. And yeah, it was just yeah,
it was a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Did the police have to come in a seat from my.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, now please come. And the police were great, they
got there pretty quick and dealt with the matter. I
can never ever fault the work of our police in
Central Australia. They do a phenomenal job under phenomenal pressure
and they're struggling. They've got a new computer system that's
not working for them, that's making their life difficult. They
(05:46):
struggle with numbers, they're they're struggling dealing with triple O
calls because they're under staff. So they're backs against the
wall from the very start. And of course the response
that I got and the people myself and got was
absolutely back. You couldn't fault them.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, I mean, goodness, meet, Like I think, I guess
you know the thing is that's that is utterly concerning
that that's happened in itself, right, But then you go
Marian Scrimdaw herself is also revealed in The Australian that
her house got broken into, you know, a month ago.
But I don't know, I really don't know what the
(06:23):
yardstick is for the government at this point in time
in terms of understanding like just how bad stuff is
and and you know, your story is not it's not unusual, right,
Like what's happened to you is not unusual in Alice
Springs at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
No, And that's that's the sad case, Katie, is that
and this is what's happening. We're seeing people breaking into
the people's houses and then threatening them with weapons to
steal the cars and their personal belongings. It's very very
Brazien said, it's very, very aggressive, and this is something
that's crept in over the last few years. I think
(07:02):
just last week in Parma, I asked questions. We got
contacted by a friend in Alice Springs. Him and his
neighbors put in a roster system so someone could stay
away to protect each other's properties because there's a group
of kids trying to break in and throwing rocks at
their properties. I believe it was last Wednesday night, and
of course Wednesday night in town was an absolute nightmare.
(07:25):
The police were run off their feet because they had
a heap of stolen cars and other matters going on,
and they couldn't get out to help ben out because
I just didn't have the people on the ground to
be Yeah, residents are left to fend for themselves. So
just for government to say that their one hundred days
have been successful and there's zero tolents, approach is working.
(07:45):
As again, I'm going to call it for what it
exactly is, and that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Which I think is fair enough. Like honestly, I think
that's fair enough, Bill, These kids that attacked you, did
they have weapons?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Are they using rocks and sticks? One of them hat
to crack at me with a fairly long piece of steel?
How to guard me with that? And then yeah, they
came back with rocks and sticks, And yes, I wore
a few rocks and dodged a few sticks. And yeah,
it's just but I said, that's the nature of what's
taking place. It's not good enough to people in Central Australia.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, and it's not good enough right as well.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, it's absolutely not It's.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Truly not good enough. I mean, Bill, Look, we've spoken
before about these issues. No doubt we'll speak more about
them because something has to change. But mate, what do
you then make of the Northern Territory government's plan to
review youth justice.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, again, every time this government comes up against a
problem or an issue, rather than actually making a decision,
got plenty of people who can make decisions. There's plenty
of smart people working in the government who can make
decisions and do things. The first thing they'd come out
was we're going to have a review and will take
forever to do a review. We brought a number of
things to Parliament, in the last three years to make
(09:04):
some differences to what's happening in our communities around youth
justice and youth crime issues. Mayor and scrim DAWs come
out today publicly in the Australia and said exactly the
same thing. If this government, if the Territory Labor government
was serious about doing something, call Parliament back tomorrow, right
and let's push through some of the changes that we've
(09:25):
spoken about by getting rid of or bringing back a
breach of bail as an offense, because the kids are
breaching bail and breaching bail and nothing happens. We're now
seeing all these kids under twelve. Of course there's no
offense recorded. They can't be put before the court, so
they can't be sent to diversion reactivities. They will just
keep committing offenses until all of a sudden they hit twelve
(09:47):
and then they'll start to get a record that we've
missed a couple of years where we could have been
providing some of those indiventions for those kids, so they
don't end up at that point.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Bill from your perspective, right, So, when the age of
criminal responsibility was raised, we were told that there would
be programs in place to deal with anybody that was younger,
any of those kids that were younger committing these crimes.
And I want to be really upfront, none of us
want kids just being chucked in jail and throw away
the key. But everybody wanted to make sure that those
programs were in place. From your perspective, in Central Australia
(10:20):
right now, are there programs in place for youth to
get them off the path of offending?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
No, certainly not, and we'll promise that in parliament. When
the Attorney General brought this change in legislation to Parliament,
the commitment was there would be programs in place to
assist kids coming into contact with the criminal justice or
committing offenses, to do that intervention so that they didn't
continue on committing offenses. We were given that promise. Territorians
(10:51):
were given that promise and given out assurance that has
not happened. When the changes were rolled out, the first
thing we asked, well, where's the programs we've got Salt
Bush Now, Salt Bushes is one organization in Central Australia
trying to deal with everybody and everything relating to youth
when it comes to interventions, and they can't do everything
(11:12):
is there's a few other smaller programs, but nothing was
specifically put in place to deal with these kids before
the changes were put in, which means again the territories
and particular people of Central Australia have been betrayed by
labor and their promises.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Bill. Look, I actually invited you on to talk about
these ABS stats, but I tell you I was pretty
shocked by what you just told me about you being
attacked by a group of kids. I do still want
to get to these stats, though, So I know that
the opposition has claimed over a third of businesses in
the territory of closed in the past four years. That's
according to data revealed by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Bill,
(11:53):
talk me through the data that you're going from here.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, so we've got some data through from ABA. Yes,
So they said out of the fourteen a little over
fourteen thousand business that we're operating in two thousand and nineteen,
only about nine thousand remain in operation at twenty twenty three.
So that's a drop of five thousand businesses or thirty
five percent for that period.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And of course, out of the two bid over two
thousand business that commenced since twenty twenty less than a
little less than half, only forty eight percent remain in operation.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And that really really goes to the heart of business
confidence and business development here in the territory because small
business is the core and heart of our territory economy. There.
They employ the mums and dads in neighbors everybody else.
So without small business, the territories in the world are heard.
So we're talking small businesses is really quite shocked.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So what you're saying is so out of the fourteen thousand,
two hundred and forty four Northern Territory businesses that we're
operating in twenty nineteen, only nine two hundred and twelve
of them remain in operation as of as of twenty
twenty three, Like, is there any context given as to
why they close or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, no, we're trying to find some of that detail.
But look anecdotala when you're out talking to business and
I'm out around Alice Springs talking to different people, businesses
are struggling. We've seen the increasing cost of business and
of course that increase and sadly a lot of this
comes down to crime too, because they're victims of crime.
They're seeing their business is breaken into their stuff, stolen things, smashed,
(13:37):
They've got to pay to fix and replace that stuff,
so that goes on. They're on cost, so they've got
to try and pass that cost on to us of
the consumer. Now, if us the consumer don't want to
pay those high costs from that business, well will go
somewhere else, or we may be purchasing from inter state,
so that hurts our local economy. We need to bring
the territory back to a place where businesses are comp
(14:00):
to invest. Here, we've got a safe place for them
to come and invest and a safe place for them
to operate. Because while we're seeing the criminal activity and
the crime across the board, we're going to see that, sadly,
that continuous decline in business confidence and of course business
capacity and capability, and we're circling a gurgler. Unless we'd
(14:21):
deal with that one salient point.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, bill Yan, we are going to have to leave
it there. The Member for Namajeira and also opposition spokesperson
for Treasury, really appreciate your time this morning. We'll talk
to you again very soon, and I am glad that
you are okay. After that incident. Yeah, that happened to
you a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Cheers, Katie, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Thank you.
Now. I'm not sure if you've seen the Australian newspaper today,
but they have been running a series of articles about
the issues plaguing Alice Springs. We spoke to Meyor Matt
Patterson about this earlier in the week. Now today, Labour's
Member for Lingiari has spoken to The Australian and said
that youth justice laws need to stop treating criminal miners
as little angels and start applying tough love to lawless children.
(00:24):
In what has been described as an extraordinary intervention against
her own party's handling of the Northern Territory youth crime crisis,
Marian Scrimjaw's told the paper authorities need to stop pussy
footing around on juveniles, that the decision to raise the
age of criminal responsibility is not working, and that it's
time for parents to be held accountable for their children's actions.
(00:48):
So we are going to catch up with Marian Scrimdaw
just after ten o'clock this morning, but the Member for
Namajira and Opposition Spokesperson for Treasury, Bill Yan joins me
on the line.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Good morning Bill, Good morning Katie. In the morning everyone
up in the top end.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bill, what do you make of Marion Stringjaw's comments this morning.
I mean she sounds as frustrated as the rest of
the territory.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, I think Mary's a bit of a realist. If
you look at what's been happening in Central Australia, Josh
Robin and myself and now Marion have been coming out
saying that what labor here in the territory is doing
is not working, and so we live it every day
because we're in the community. The only ones that are
not I suppose taking any nose or don't actually understand
(01:34):
is labor themselves. For years, we've been talking about this,
the issues that we've been seeing in our community, and
the only ones that are not listening labor. So the
stuff that Liam Mendez has been doing during the week
sadly a highlighted nationally issues that we still face in
our springs. It's just it's ongoing. It's absolutely relentless and
(02:00):
when we're not seeing any relief in our community, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Well, we're one hundred days in, are we in the
in the summer plan? I mean I would imagine the
police working their butts off to try and keep things
under control. But how's it going one hundred days since
that summer plan was implemented in Alice.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well, I don't think we've seen any change at all, Katie. Sadly,
we're still seeing high levels of crime, high levels of
youth crime, and the fact that the Police Minister Brent
Potter come out with his with his zero tolerance statement.
I'll tell you what, the people of Central Australia run
out of tolerance for labor's bullshit when it comes to
these these words. I suppose mindless platitudes that being trainers,
(02:43):
that we want some action, and from personal experience, you
see the level of lawlessness that's happening now in town.
I was attacked, an assaulted. No, I suppose about three
or four weeks ago, a group of five kids. When
these kids, I reckon, I was a little wire. It
was a couple of weeks ago, back in January. I said,
(03:05):
there's five kids on a Sunday afternoon. I said, I
was attacked. I said, coming to the eight of some
other people, and well, I reckon, the oldest might have
been fourteen to fifteen and the youngest was probably about ten.
And one of the attackers was actually wearing an ankle bracelet.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So sorry, can I just repeat that place? And Bill,
you were attacked by a group of how many youths? Five?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
There was five a year a little while ago, so
it may be about three or four weeks. I suppose. Well,
you were wanting to make a big deal of it.
I said, yeah, yeah, I said, some cuts and bruises
and doing a bit of duck and them we even
here and there, and I zigged when I should have
zagged and wore a few rocks. But shoody, hell, it's
not something not something I really wanted to make public
(03:54):
because I got to respect. I said, more privacy, and
of course the privacy the people that I was helping.
But it's at a time now when I said even
I've had enough. You see this stuff continuing day after
day after day and nothing is changing. And Marian's had
the Coage come out and say, yeah, well, what Territory Labor,
what Territory Labor are doing is not working and it's
(04:17):
not helping our community. She's had the Coage come out
and say, well, they need to do something different. And
there's garbage that they're going to do a review in
the Youth Justice and not release the finance until after
the bloody election again. It's just again, it is just
absolute garbage and spin. They changed the Youth Justice back
back in two thousand and ninety. They created the problems
(04:39):
with those changes, and now I said, the rest of
us are paying the christ for that bill.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Look, I know I understand that that you know, you're
not making wanting to make a big deal of the
fact that you got attacked by a group of young people,
But like, what time of the day did that happen?
Will you? Like? I mean, I've got a lot of questions.
I did, luck, are you all right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, So I said, a few cuts and bruises middle
on Sunday, I said, Sunday afternoon at home, so I said,
coming to the aids some other people, I said, I
respect their privacy and I respect Yeah, that's why I've
never really spoken about this. And yeah, it was just yeah,
it was a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Did the police have to come in a seat from my.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, now please come. And the police were great, they
got there pretty quick and dealt with the matter. I
can never ever fault the work of our police in
Central Australia. They do a phenomenal job under phenomenal pressure
and they're struggling. They've got a new computer system that's
not working for them, that's making their life difficult. They
(05:46):
struggle with numbers, they're they're struggling dealing with triple O
calls because they're under staff. So they're backs against the
wall from the very start. And of course the response
that I got and the people myself and got was
absolutely back. You couldn't fault them.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, I mean, goodness, meet, Like I think, I guess
you know the thing is that's that is utterly concerning
that that's happened in itself, right, But then you go
Marian Scrimdaw herself is also revealed in The Australian that
her house got broken into, you know, a month ago.
But I don't know, I really don't know what the
(06:23):
yardstick is for the government at this point in time
in terms of understanding like just how bad stuff is
and and you know, your story is not it's not unusual, right,
Like what's happened to you is not unusual in Alice
Springs at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
No, And that's that's the sad case, Katie, is that
and this is what's happening. We're seeing people breaking into
the people's houses and then threatening them with weapons to
steal the cars and their personal belongings. It's very very
Brazien said, it's very, very aggressive, and this is something
that's crept in over the last few years. I think
(07:02):
just last week in Parma, I asked questions. We got
contacted by a friend in Alice Springs. Him and his
neighbors put in a roster system so someone could stay
away to protect each other's properties because there's a group
of kids trying to break in and throwing rocks at
their properties. I believe it was last Wednesday night, and
of course Wednesday night in town was an absolute nightmare.
(07:25):
The police were run off their feet because they had
a heap of stolen cars and other matters going on,
and they couldn't get out to help ben out because
I just didn't have the people on the ground to
be Yeah, residents are left to fend for themselves. So
just for government to say that their one hundred days
have been successful and there's zero tolents, approach is working.
(07:45):
As again, I'm going to call it for what it
exactly is, and that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Which I think is fair enough. Like honestly, I think
that's fair enough, Bill, These kids that attacked you, did
they have weapons?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Are they using rocks and sticks? One of them hat
to crack at me with a fairly long piece of steel?
How to guard me with that? And then yeah, they
came back with rocks and sticks, And yes, I wore
a few rocks and dodged a few sticks. And yeah,
it's just but I said, that's the nature of what's
taking place. It's not good enough to people in Central Australia.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, and it's not good enough right as well.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, it's absolutely not It's.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Truly not good enough. I mean, Bill, Look, we've spoken
before about these issues. No doubt we'll speak more about
them because something has to change. But mate, what do
you then make of the Northern Territory government's plan to
review youth justice.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, again, every time this government comes up against a
problem or an issue, rather than actually making a decision,
got plenty of people who can make decisions. There's plenty
of smart people working in the government who can make
decisions and do things. The first thing they'd come out
was we're going to have a review and will take
forever to do a review. We brought a number of
things to Parliament, in the last three years to make
(09:04):
some differences to what's happening in our communities around youth
justice and youth crime issues. Mayor and scrim DAWs come
out today publicly in the Australia and said exactly the
same thing. If this government, if the Territory Labor government
was serious about doing something, call Parliament back tomorrow, right
and let's push through some of the changes that we've
(09:25):
spoken about by getting rid of or bringing back a
breach of bail as an offense, because the kids are
breaching bail and breaching bail and nothing happens. We're now
seeing all these kids under twelve. Of course there's no
offense recorded. They can't be put before the court, so
they can't be sent to diversion reactivities. They will just
keep committing offenses until all of a sudden they hit twelve
(09:47):
and then they'll start to get a record that we've
missed a couple of years where we could have been
providing some of those indiventions for those kids, so they
don't end up at that point.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Bill from your perspective, right, So, when the age of
criminal responsibility was raised, we were told that there would
be programs in place to deal with anybody that was younger,
any of those kids that were younger committing these crimes.
And I want to be really upfront, none of us
want kids just being chucked in jail and throw away
the key. But everybody wanted to make sure that those
programs were in place. From your perspective, in Central Australia
(10:20):
right now, are there programs in place for youth to
get them off the path of offending?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
No, certainly not, and we'll promise that in parliament. When
the Attorney General brought this change in legislation to Parliament,
the commitment was there would be programs in place to
assist kids coming into contact with the criminal justice or
committing offenses, to do that intervention so that they didn't
continue on committing offenses. We were given that promise. Territorians
(10:51):
were given that promise and given out assurance that has
not happened. When the changes were rolled out, the first
thing we asked, well, where's the programs we've got Salt
Bush Now, Salt Bushes is one organization in Central Australia
trying to deal with everybody and everything relating to youth
when it comes to interventions, and they can't do everything
(11:12):
is there's a few other smaller programs, but nothing was
specifically put in place to deal with these kids before
the changes were put in, which means again the territories
and particular people of Central Australia have been betrayed by
labor and their promises.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Bill. Look, I actually invited you on to talk about
these ABS stats, but I tell you I was pretty
shocked by what you just told me about you being
attacked by a group of kids. I do still want
to get to these stats, though, So I know that
the opposition has claimed over a third of businesses in
the territory of closed in the past four years. That's
according to data revealed by the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Bill,
(11:53):
talk me through the data that you're going from here.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, so we've got some data through from ABA. Yes,
So they said out of the fourteen a little over
fourteen thousand business that we're operating in two thousand and nineteen,
only about nine thousand remain in operation at twenty twenty three.
So that's a drop of five thousand businesses or thirty
five percent for that period.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And of course, out of the two bid over two
thousand business that commenced since twenty twenty less than a
little less than half, only forty eight percent remain in operation.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And that really really goes to the heart of business
confidence and business development here in the territory because small
business is the core and heart of our territory economy. There.
They employ the mums and dads in neighbors everybody else.
So without small business, the territories in the world are heard.
So we're talking small businesses is really quite shocked.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So what you're saying is so out of the fourteen thousand,
two hundred and forty four Northern Territory businesses that we're
operating in twenty nineteen, only nine two hundred and twelve
of them remain in operation as of as of twenty
twenty three, Like, is there any context given as to
why they close or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, no, we're trying to find some of that detail.
But look anecdotala when you're out talking to business and
I'm out around Alice Springs talking to different people, businesses
are struggling. We've seen the increasing cost of business and
of course that increase and sadly a lot of this
comes down to crime too, because they're victims of crime.
They're seeing their business is breaken into their stuff, stolen things, smashed,
(13:37):
They've got to pay to fix and replace that stuff,
so that goes on. They're on cost, so they've got
to try and pass that cost on to us of
the consumer. Now, if us the consumer don't want to
pay those high costs from that business, well will go
somewhere else, or we may be purchasing from inter state,
so that hurts our local economy. We need to bring
the territory back to a place where businesses are comp
(14:00):
to invest. Here, we've got a safe place for them
to come and invest and a safe place for them
to operate. Because while we're seeing the criminal activity and
the crime across the board, we're going to see that, sadly,
that continuous decline in business confidence and of course business
capacity and capability, and we're circling a gurgler. Unless we'd
(14:21):
deal with that one salient point.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, bill Yan, we are going to have to leave
it there. The Member for Namajeira and also opposition spokesperson
for Treasury, really appreciate your time this morning. We'll talk
to you again very soon, and I am glad that
you are okay. After that incident. Yeah, that happened to
you a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Cheers, Katie, thanks for your time today.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Thank you.
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