October 10, 2024 • 7 mins
It’s movie day and today Ben O’Shea reviewed the new flick about the early days of Donald Trump called The Apprentice which stars Sebastian Stan.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Great the flick with Ben o'she good Morning, Good Morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Certain presidential hopeful tried very hard to make sure this
movie didn't come out before the election.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's probably the worst movie. It's probably the worst movie.
But yes for her radio.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
So former President Donald Trump tried to block this movie,
The Apprentice, which is about the early period of his
life in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties in
New York, before he was the Donald. He was young
Donald learning the ropes of business, very much in the
shadow of his old man who didn't let him do anything.
(00:42):
And so this movie is about how Donald Trump became
Donald Trump. And it stars Sebastian stan as Trump, and
so a lot of people I think were a little
bit surprised by that casting choice. Initially, Sure, Sebastians Dady
played the Winter Soldier, he played Tommy. He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, doesn't He doesn't look anything like Donald.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Trump, and in some of the some of the trailers,
he's not really doing the kind of classic mannerisms. But
one of the really best things about this movie is
as it unfolds, as he kind of becomes more like
the Trump we know today. Sebastian Stan's performance actually becomes
more Trumpian. Well that's if that's a verb, it works,
(01:29):
and so that's that's kind of cool to see. But
the other interesting thing about this film, so as it
kind of tries to unpack how Trump became the way
he is. It's like, so these days, of course, Trump says,
you know, I'm the greatest businessman in the world. Probably
never been a better business person than me. I know business,
I've done so many deals. So he's always he's always
(01:50):
talking it up, right, always talking up how much he knows.
But no one's born with that knowledge. You learn it,
and so this movie tries to answer who did he
learn it from? And it probably wasn't his dad. He
obviously learn a lot from his dad, but this film
pitches the idea that he learned pretty much everything from
this Manhattan lawyer who was very prominent at the time
called Roy Cone, who's played by successions Jeremy Strong.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's fantastic. He was just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So phenomenal and this role is incredible, like he's such
a scene stealer and it's interesting watching them interact. So
roy Cone basically takes Trump under his wing and says, look,
you know, like I see potentially new kid, I also
see a beautiful, lush head of golden hair. Nothing will
ever happen to that. So I'm going to basically introduce
(02:37):
you to the big players. I'm going to get you
out of any sticky messes. I'm going to make you
legal troubles go away. Because at the time, the Trump
family was facing a federal lawsuit about their illegal and
potentially racist rental practices in their apartmabilities. They weren't renting
to people of color, which is something that happened in
real life. And so roy Cone is the one who
got them out of the way of that issue by
(03:00):
essentially blackmailing the district attorney. And so Roy Cone pretty
pretty dodgy guy, but very very accomplished. So and it
goes to the details of you know, like things like
basically everything that Trump was talking about in the Art
of the Deal. You know, all of his kind of
trademark things like rule number one, attack attack attack, rule
number two you never admit anything, and rule number two three,
(03:22):
you never accept defeat. Those kind of you know, the
truth is what you make of it. All of those
things that we associate with Trump now came from roy
Cone and so that's quite interesting to watch. And it
also shows his marriage to Ivana, who was played by
Maria from from Borak exactly, brilliant, exactly, and she is
(03:42):
She's a great Ivana. I don't know if she really
looks that much like Havana, but I think she does
a great job of portraying what we know of Avana.
But when you're watching it, you think to yourself, what
was it about this film that Trump hated that he
was trying.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
To block, Yeah, right, damage him what he.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Thought would damage him in his run to the White House,
And there's one scene that depicts Trump a sexual assault
of Ivana, which he said happened in real life, He's
denied that it ever happened. And so you look at
that and you go, is that what he was worried about?
Is it that scene he was worried about? I don't
think so. I think what he was worried about is
this idea that the film paints him as he was
very ambitious, but pretty green, naive guy who was taught
(04:24):
everything he knew by someone else. Basically stole those ideas
and stabbed his mentor in the back. And I don't
think He liked the idea that he was ever weak
and he was ever not an expert, that he was
ever not born to be this entrepreneurial genius, because he
does come across as a bloke who dodgers financial ruin
over and over again by basically talking a lot of
(04:45):
bs today, I.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Think he just didn't want to be movie fodder in history.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I didn't want to hide any kind of weaknesses, That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And so the film, the film, I wouldn't say it
treats Trump sympathetic, but it does acknowledge that there is
some humanity there, you know there maybe some people don't
associate with him now and some of his behavior. But
then as the film goes, that kind of humanity disappears,
as he becomes you know, this sort of ego Maye.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And fast forwarding obviously part way past the movie's time
into when he was president, didn't he and Roy Cohne
end up falling out?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Didn't They had a big bore It was on his staff.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And then so there's a second part to this movie
that we hope to see another time.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I guess, well, and I don't know if I don't
know if anyone will ever be game enough to make
another Trump movie after the legal challenges of this one.
So there's lots to unpack it. I think they're the positives.
The negatives about this film is it's a real kind
of style of a substance situation. They make it look
like an old VHS videotipe and sometimes it's a bit overcooked.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's like, okay, we get it set in the past.
It doesn't need to look like that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And you know, some of the other issues is it
feels like box ticking out of time.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's like, do you need like.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's an origin story, right, but you don't need the
origin of his Brioni suits. You don't need the origin
of him drinking diet coke. You don't need the origin
of you know, every single little detail of Trump's life. Now,
you don't need it packaged. Band explained as if the
audience is an idiot. So there's that makes it a
bit superficial when it probably could have got a bit
(06:23):
deeper to try and understand why some of these things happened,
as opposed to you know, he had a suit fitting
with Roy Cone one day and Roy said, why don't
you try a Brioni suit?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That was like a product placement. It does feel like
it does feel like that. Then does it touch on
the fact that you know they reckon that? You know,
Trump really doesn't have quite as much money as you
make care it was up and he did his best
to spend all that. He talks about his debt right like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It talks about how much debt he racked up with
all these all these projects, and how he was always
going to other people saying, oh, look, I'll give you
this great opportunity if you can give me some equity
to pay off the debt to these guys, and then
to the next group says, oh, well, I'll give you
something special if i'll pay off those guys. So he's
always kind of in the in the hole to somebody
for huge amounts of money. It just manages to always
(07:04):
just stay one step ahead of the creditors, but not
always by the greatest business acumen.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But yeah, well that's all we know about it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
All right, Well, how many Sebastian didn't need the prosthesis.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For this one? Are you giving? I'm going to give
it three very good? All right, interesting time, were exactly good.
Thanks many
Great the flick with Ben o'she good Morning, Good Morning, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Certain presidential hopeful tried very hard to make sure this
movie didn't come out before the election.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
It's probably the worst movie. It's probably the worst movie.
But yes for her radio.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
So former President Donald Trump tried to block this movie,
The Apprentice, which is about the early period of his
life in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties in
New York, before he was the Donald. He was young
Donald learning the ropes of business, very much in the
shadow of his old man who didn't let him do anything.
(00:42):
And so this movie is about how Donald Trump became
Donald Trump. And it stars Sebastian stan as Trump, and
so a lot of people I think were a little
bit surprised by that casting choice. Initially, Sure, Sebastians Dady
played the Winter Soldier, he played Tommy. He was fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, doesn't He doesn't look anything like Donald.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Trump, and in some of the some of the trailers,
he's not really doing the kind of classic mannerisms. But
one of the really best things about this movie is
as it unfolds, as he kind of becomes more like
the Trump we know today. Sebastian Stan's performance actually becomes
more Trumpian. Well that's if that's a verb, it works,
(01:29):
and so that's that's kind of cool to see. But
the other interesting thing about this film, so as it
kind of tries to unpack how Trump became the way
he is. It's like, so these days, of course, Trump says,
you know, I'm the greatest businessman in the world. Probably
never been a better business person than me. I know business,
I've done so many deals. So he's always he's always
(01:50):
talking it up, right, always talking up how much he knows.
But no one's born with that knowledge. You learn it,
and so this movie tries to answer who did he
learn it from? And it probably wasn't his dad. He
obviously learn a lot from his dad, but this film
pitches the idea that he learned pretty much everything from
this Manhattan lawyer who was very prominent at the time
called Roy Cone, who's played by successions Jeremy Strong.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
It's fantastic. He was just.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So phenomenal and this role is incredible, like he's such
a scene stealer and it's interesting watching them interact. So
roy Cone basically takes Trump under his wing and says, look,
you know, like I see potentially new kid, I also
see a beautiful, lush head of golden hair. Nothing will
ever happen to that. So I'm going to basically introduce
(02:37):
you to the big players. I'm going to get you
out of any sticky messes. I'm going to make you
legal troubles go away. Because at the time, the Trump
family was facing a federal lawsuit about their illegal and
potentially racist rental practices in their apartmabilities. They weren't renting
to people of color, which is something that happened in
real life. And so roy Cone is the one who
got them out of the way of that issue by
(03:00):
essentially blackmailing the district attorney. And so Roy Cone pretty
pretty dodgy guy, but very very accomplished. So and it
goes to the details of you know, like things like
basically everything that Trump was talking about in the Art
of the Deal. You know, all of his kind of
trademark things like rule number one, attack attack attack, rule
number two you never admit anything, and rule number two three,
(03:22):
you never accept defeat. Those kind of you know, the
truth is what you make of it. All of those
things that we associate with Trump now came from roy
Cone and so that's quite interesting to watch. And it
also shows his marriage to Ivana, who was played by
Maria from from Borak exactly, brilliant, exactly, and she is
(03:42):
She's a great Ivana. I don't know if she really
looks that much like Havana, but I think she does
a great job of portraying what we know of Avana.
But when you're watching it, you think to yourself, what
was it about this film that Trump hated that he
was trying.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
To block, Yeah, right, damage him what he.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Thought would damage him in his run to the White House,
And there's one scene that depicts Trump a sexual assault
of Ivana, which he said happened in real life, He's
denied that it ever happened. And so you look at
that and you go, is that what he was worried about?
Is it that scene he was worried about? I don't
think so. I think what he was worried about is
this idea that the film paints him as he was
very ambitious, but pretty green, naive guy who was taught
(04:24):
everything he knew by someone else. Basically stole those ideas
and stabbed his mentor in the back. And I don't
think He liked the idea that he was ever weak
and he was ever not an expert, that he was
ever not born to be this entrepreneurial genius, because he
does come across as a bloke who dodgers financial ruin
over and over again by basically talking a lot of
(04:45):
bs today, I.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Think he just didn't want to be movie fodder in history.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I didn't want to hide any kind of weaknesses, That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And so the film, the film, I wouldn't say it
treats Trump sympathetic, but it does acknowledge that there is
some humanity there, you know there maybe some people don't
associate with him now and some of his behavior. But
then as the film goes, that kind of humanity disappears,
as he becomes you know, this sort of ego Maye.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
And fast forwarding obviously part way past the movie's time
into when he was president, didn't he and Roy Cohne
end up falling out?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Didn't They had a big bore It was on his staff.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
And then so there's a second part to this movie
that we hope to see another time.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I guess, well, and I don't know if I don't
know if anyone will ever be game enough to make
another Trump movie after the legal challenges of this one.
So there's lots to unpack it. I think they're the positives.
The negatives about this film is it's a real kind
of style of a substance situation. They make it look
like an old VHS videotipe and sometimes it's a bit overcooked.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's like, okay, we get it set in the past.
It doesn't need to look like that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
And you know, some of the other issues is it
feels like box ticking out of time.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's like, do you need like.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's an origin story, right, but you don't need the
origin of his Brioni suits. You don't need the origin
of him drinking diet coke. You don't need the origin
of you know, every single little detail of Trump's life. Now,
you don't need it packaged. Band explained as if the
audience is an idiot. So there's that makes it a
bit superficial when it probably could have got a bit
(06:23):
deeper to try and understand why some of these things happened,
as opposed to you know, he had a suit fitting
with Roy Cone one day and Roy said, why don't
you try a Brioni suit?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
That was like a product placement. It does feel like
it does feel like that. Then does it touch on
the fact that you know they reckon that? You know,
Trump really doesn't have quite as much money as you
make care it was up and he did his best
to spend all that. He talks about his debt right like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It talks about how much debt he racked up with
all these all these projects, and how he was always
going to other people saying, oh, look, I'll give you
this great opportunity if you can give me some equity
to pay off the debt to these guys, and then
to the next group says, oh, well, I'll give you
something special if i'll pay off those guys. So he's
always kind of in the in the hole to somebody
for huge amounts of money. It just manages to always
(07:04):
just stay one step ahead of the creditors, but not
always by the greatest business acumen.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
But yeah, well that's all we know about it.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
All right, Well, how many Sebastian didn't need the prosthesis.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For this one? Are you giving? I'm going to give
it three very good? All right, interesting time, were exactly good.
Thanks many
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