September 3, 2024 • 47 mins
Clairsy & Lisa caught up with Lincoln Younes as The Last King Of The Cross Season Two hits our TV screens.
In The Shaw Report, find out why Elton John is having troubles with his vision plus just who is Disney’s number one villain of all time according to Variety magazine? Lisa will tell you and she’ll also tell you about a very, very, very, long standing ovation for two Hollywood star.
Clairsy opened his Tragic Music Box and took us all back to the year Tony Barber was back on our screens with Sale Of The Century, 1980.
The History of Sound continued today as Clairsy & Lisa explored the world of cassettes with expert Tenille Hands.
After talking about the history of cassettes, Clairsy & Lisa opened the phones and text lines to find out about your cassette experiences, your mix tapes and those hideous times when the tape unwound in the cassette recorder.
Missy Higgins has a new album so Clairsy & Lisa spoke to her and also asked about her induction into the ARIA Hall Of Fame.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This is Clezy and Lisa's podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Coming up on the podcast today, we chat to the
lovely Lincoln Unus about season two of The Last King
of the.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Cross Now continuing a history of sound special cassettes and
already calls about your cassette experiences.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We delved into Clarsey's Tragic Music Box. He took us
back to the year nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
We caught up with Missy Higgins, soon to be inducted
in the Aria Hall of Fame. And on the Shore Report,
Lisa talked about the top ten Disney Villains rank by variety.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Season two of Last King of the Cross debuted on
Paramount last week. We got the first couple of episodes
and then they're coming out weekly. Of course, Lincoln Unis
is back in the role of John Ibrahan. This is
based on the autobiography of John Ibrahim. Hello Lincoln, Hey guys,
how are you very well?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So season two?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I loved season one, and so of course I devoured
the first two episodes of season two.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I did I totally did. I make no apology.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It starts eighteen months after the end of season one,
Sam's locked up Sam Ibrahim, John's lying low overseas, probably
not even realizing he's doing a WRECKI in Obiita, and
he returns and discovers that King's Cross is not what
it used to be.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We're right so far up.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
So yeah, no, you're right, you're right so far. I
was like, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So he looks towards Oxford Street. So does this really
closely follow the story of John Ibrahim.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, Look, it's inspired by his memoir. You know, there's
a lot of fictional kind of drama with it in
terms of timing, and we had a bit of license
to play with in terms of the timeline and certain
characters and things like that. But yeah, it follows fairly closely.
I mean, the Crosstig kind of lose its appeal and
(02:01):
it's at Shine, and then Oxford Street took over and
John kind of moved there and kind of had to
start from zero because all you know, he'd learned how
to play the game in the Cross and recreate it.
But it's a whole new it's a whole new landscape
on Oxford Street, which is really fun to play and
hopefully quite interesting to watch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I expected to be.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I mean sometimes in the shows, like you said, a
bit of creative a license, you could have a character
that didn't actually exist, or a compilation of various real people.
Can you tell us a bit about the new characters
in the show.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, so there's some second season gives you the kind
of free reign to bring in kind of bigger.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
And more interesting or dynamic antagonist.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
So that's what we've got this season.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
We've got this wonderful actor in the v and Andrews
who lost them for projects. He plays this very intelligent,
kind of psychosexual antagonist called Ray who is kind of
the head of Oxford Street and the one that John
is trying to take over and replace. And then we've
(03:10):
got we've got various other characters in Benny and Dean
who are kind of based off certain people and fictionalized,
but they are kind of unpredictable and relentless to trying
to become John, sometimes through violent means, sometimes through kind
of on the word on the street is dogging or
(03:33):
writing him out.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
So yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Get a lot of different social structures and a lot
of different antagonism from different angles this season, which is
it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To play with there.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean there are some violent means on occasion, and
a couple of times in the first couple of episodes,
I thought I was watching Dev Patel and Monkey Man again.
He's pretty amazing, And I thought the physicality you must
it's almost like a choreographed dance. Sometimes, is it hard
(04:05):
to film those scenes and you must have to get
really into shape to be able to keep up.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yeah, Look, I mean I love stunts. I have such
a respect for the stunt team and what people do.
That's why I did love Monkey Man so much.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Incredible, it's such a good movie.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But yeah, what makes this slightly more difficult for me
was we shot a lot of it at night, obviously,
because that's where you know the story takes place in
real life. But I was wearing contacts for the entire shuit.
So I've got I've got blue eyes and John has
brown eyes. And what those colored lenses do is they
(04:45):
kind of give this kind of I don't know, warm tint.
So when you're filming at night, trying to throw punches
and not land them or not receive them, it can
be quite a bit hairy.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, looking for contacts on the ground is not good. No, no, Sometimes,
like you spend half your life in the makeup and
hair chair, especially if you're getting injured and you've got
to go to get some scars and things going on.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the prosthetic scar on your stomach
and different hair and whatnot. It does take some time,
but the makeup team, as you, as you find out
when you're in the biz, are usually some of the
best people you'll meet.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So it was a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Fun, you know, at the at the risk of sounding
like a complete dork. One of my favorite you could
say characters characters from season one was the house that
you lived in. Oh my god, on a cliff, a
little bit gothic, totally up my alley?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Are you? And I've only seen a little.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Bit of you coming into coming back home and into
your houses at the same house this season it is the.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Same house, And I don't worry. I was a bit
of a dork when I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Got there as well. Real estate nerd Yeah yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I've also like I used to live in l A
and they used to do this thing on Sundays where
you could go to open auctions and these these amazing
big mansions in l A, l A. No one knows
who anyone is. So I was walking around, you know, in.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
These in these.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not enough, I'll see.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm just going back for another look at the kitchen
got during season one UNLESSA mentioned this, how so many
times I reckon she she was during the show. She
was calling a broker to see if she hadn't have
to buy it.
Speaker 10 (06:38):
It was insane keep saving. I mean, it's quite expensive.
But the course feature, the course feature I found was
that has a has a toilet on the roof.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Are you a are you a log's kind of guy?
Or did you go because it's part of the job.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Look, you know, it's part of the job. But what
is nice is always, you know, running into old friends
and whatnot. It's a bit like, you know, a school
reunion or something like that. But yeah, yeah, those nights
are always longer than they need to be, and you know,
you have your fair share of like awkward random conversations
in the ad break. But look, I love I love
(07:20):
the community I'm in, and it's really nice to run
into friends because a lot of the time you're either
working and you don't see people, or you're not working,
you don't see people. So yeah, it's just a good
excuse to catch up.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
One more quick question, if we may, we love to
ask where you were when you got the call to
say that you got the role.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Of John.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
That's a good question. I mean, look, I was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was aware of the project for a while.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And there was contact made on both sides about you know,
potentially playing the role. So look, I was kind of
in it from the beginning in terms of the stations.
But when I'm trying to think when the actual sign,
I think when I signed the doubled line, I was, Yeah,
(08:09):
I was here in Australia, and I have this this
really speaking of Dorothy. I have this tradition and when
I get a roll, I usually go to get a
tub of ven and ery.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Great, that's great, joy somewhere.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah, I go and sit somewhere outside that because it's
probably the last time I'll be.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, are you do you like do you go down
the chocolate ale or more the sort of vanilla y
caramel isle.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One of those.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Annoying people that like if it's like chock fudge with
forty different things, that might yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, Lincoln, I do sometimes question myself as to whether
I'm supposed to love it as much as I.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do with shows like this, But I do.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I love your character, I love your portrayal of Johnny Brahim.
It's fantastic and season two. Season one's there. Of course,
Season two has begun on Paramount episodes out on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I look forward to this week's.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Thanks, thank you, but look forward to seeing you in
a rock pool starring at Dolphin smelling like d Organ.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So oh yeah, thank you, Lincoln, Bye.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
More More Lisa More podcast soon.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Delving deep into the archives of birth music history, Clezies,
Tragic Music Box.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
My shoulders get moving when that you know your head
was bobbing as well. I noticed I've been an involuntary action.
Are you ready to go?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Okay, back to nineteen eighty is we mentioned earlier, Lisa,
and let's start with TV And of course in nineteen
eighty we're still saying everything's in living color because it
was pretty news. Yeah, you know, even if TV started
in color in Australia nineteen seventy five, we couldn't all
afford to have a color TV in the corner, especially
one with a remote. Now, okay, We're gonna start with
TV and you need to pick the TV theme songs.
(10:05):
You ready, Okay? Here the chanze if you know them.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's a quizz show.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It is a quiz show.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's it's not likely Sale of the Century.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, where's Tony Barber? I can Okay, we're going drama.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, solos, damn this war brace poor.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
John Lorraine Bailey, isn't she sweet?
Speaker 11 (10:34):
Where we go?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
We're got to wash every episode of that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
With my mon cried buckets? Where Grace started?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Oh yeah, oh did she die? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Spoiler alert?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
My gee, Terry was annoying, wasn't it? Okay, here's the
third one.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
For you ks. God, I show that we're even allowed
to play the queen these days.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Without getting to show that just couldn't be made for it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You couldn't even get through the opening credits because you
know what's in that.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Shall I tell you what? When we've been doing some
retro stuff lately and reminiscing, a lot of people would
have said this The kingsold I just polished the lipstick
on the bridge, talking about the seventies, The Race of
Race about the kingsvid In nineteen eighty a copy of
the West Australian cost you fifteen cents and what was
weird was there? It was full less. There was a
(11:24):
small spot reserved on the back page of the West
to any late news that didn't make any.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Time for the price late item. Yes, well, now of
course it's occupied by Harley Reed.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, of course no, he's He's on every page news
in nineteen eighty and I know you loving news. We lost,
sadly lost John Lennon.
Speaker 12 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
The US got Ronald Reagan. He had been an actor
and the governor of California and he became the President
and a landslide victory over Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Andy Ray Guns. So weird, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And despite the widespread, widespread ball a boycott at least
of the Moscow Olympics, a seventeen year old kid from
Church Lance High won. Neil Brooks led Australia to victory
in the four by one hundred meters swim team. Really
just incredible, and I think Norman May nearly did a hernieo.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like the Mean Machine or something like that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
First, the very first meme machine. Yeah yeah, and there
were other swimmers who joined the Meme Machine later nineteen
eighty our prime minister was Malcolm Fraser, so Charles Court
was wa premier at the time. His son Richard was
thirty three and was only thirteen years away from claiming
the job himself. It's quite so I didn't keep it
all in the family. Our population in Australia was fourteen
point seven million in nineteen eighty. Yeah, so I will
(12:26):
be around about double that by twenty thirty. Didn't take long.
A block of land in Kingsley was fourteen thousand dollars.
The same block would be around six hundred k today
if you want to get it not easy to get.
Our biggest name in tennis was a super cool swede,
beyond Borg with that bad band he I lost his call.
The loudest voice in the game was either John McEnroe
(12:47):
or Jimmy Connors, depending upon which of the American stars
was having a bad day, a bad set, a bad
game or a bad point. It cannot be serious. Yeah,
and Conners was pretty lad too. With him he was
More importantly, despite a year of illness and injury, the
incredible Von Goolagon Carley won the Wimbledon title, beating Chris
Evert Lloyd in straight sets.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That was amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, it was the battle of the hyphens at the movies.
In nineteen eighty six, symbol Bo, Derek and Dudley Moore
scored a hit with ten Yes, the Perfect ten. Well
she didn't get the oscar. They went to Meryl Street
for Kramer versus Kramer, but Bo got plenty of publicity
in the movie, made one hundred over one hundred million bucks,
got some five or six million to make Yes all
one needable.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Balinese girls have platted one million plats running.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Down the beach and Dudley being silly and for Yeah.
And our feature album This Morning from nineteen eighty is
en Yatam on Dadda, the third album from that trio
of Bottle Blonds. The Police Rip of this one I
was written during the band's second tour. They had limited time,
so they recorded in just four weeks, and drummer Stuart
Copeland has since admitted, look, we've been off more than
we could chew to be honest. They finished the recording
(13:48):
of the album at four am on the first day
of the next world tour, So no rest of bak,
no rest for a hot band. You've got to get
back on the road. And despite the rush, there were
some incredible songs. The hit singles don't sound so close
to me. The Doo Doo Doo Di Da Da Da
was a ripper, the frenetic when the world is running down,
the bouncy canary in a coal mine and always light.
Speaker 13 (14:07):
Canary and a mine, Yeah so clear, the canary and
the rug and New cole it was, and the brilliant
driven to tears which may have sometime how the three
overworld newsos were feeling at the time are exhausted.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Zenana my Dad was number one here in Australia, of course,
in the UK reached number five, and in the US
it's sold over three million copies. I bought one of
those copies from seventy eight Records in Kay Street after
catching the bus into town from our place in Hammersley.
And I still got that up.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The one with the pyramid on the front.
Speaker 14 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's a quite orange looking, yes, but I've still got
it today and it's hardly it's got a lot of
scratches on a double Grammy winning album from the Police.
Wrapping up Today's journey back to nineteen eighty from that
Tragic Music Box on ninety six a FM.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The Sure Report on ninety six air FM.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
In honor of the Walt Disney Company's one hundredth birthday.
This year, Variety Magazine has ranked Disney's ten best movie
villains of all time, counting down from ten. They've Got
Jaffar from Aladdin. Peter Pan's nemesis, Captain Hook is number nine.
Number eight is the Unseen man I e Humans in Bambi.
We Know what They did. Lady Tremaine, better known as
(15:17):
the Wicked Stepmother and Cinderella is seven. Number six is
the eccentric e Isma from The Emperor's New Groove played
by Ertha Kid played brilliantly both Kit Gaston from Beauty
of the Beast is number five, Kruela Deville from one
hundred and one Dalmatians is four, and the top three
Disney villains according to Variety Magazine are Ursula from The
(15:38):
Little Mermaid at number three, Scar from The Lion King
at number two, and the number one Disney villain drummroll Please,
Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty.
Speaker 15 (15:49):
The Princess shell indeed grow in grace and beauty, but
the father son sets on bus sixteenth birthday, she shall
preck a finger on the spin of a spinning wheel
and die.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Voice by Eleanor Ordley.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Variety considers Maleficent the very essence of cruelty and evil.
Elton John has been dealing with a severe health issue
that has left him with limited eyesight in one of
his eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He assures us it is healing, but it's.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
An extremely slow process and it's going to take some
time before site returns to the impacted eye. By the way,
his documentary Elton John Never Too Late, is premiering this
Friday at the Toronto Film Festival. It will be released
here on Disney Plus on Friday, December thirteenth. Can we
talk about Andre three thousand for a minute? You remember
(16:43):
him from Outcasts?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There is such a good song and he is the
best dressed man in music doing some increasingly unusual work
of late.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
His last song was called that night in Hawaii when
I turned into a panther and started making these low
register purring tones that I couldn't control.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's the title. And now he's released.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
A film of sorts on YouTube called Listening to the Sun.
It's eighty eight minutes of him sitting in a blue
room meditating as he listens to his new album, New
Blue sun which sounds like this.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's nice. I feel like I'm getting a massage.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Do if you're up for another eighty seven minutes and
forty five seconds of exactly that?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like I said, it's on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Lengthy standing ovations at film festival premieres are becoming a
bit ridiculous. Julianne Moore and Tilda Swinton in the premiere
of Pedro Lmotiva's The Room next Door, has just received
a seventeen minute standing ovation, the longest one so far
this year. Seventeen minutes. Do you really need to stand
up and clap for seventeen minutes to convey the fact
(18:14):
you enjoyed their movie? You could cook a stir fry
in less time, walk the dog. You could duck to
the shop for milk, get back, boil the kettle and
make a cuppa and probably drink it too, perhaps in
seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's just getting stupid.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
It's getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I do love a Pedro Motivar, but anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, I just would be one of you for a week. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I dare you to stand any laundering today clap for
seventeen minutes.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Okay, I'm going to try that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Just do it. Let's try it now.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Take I'd rather I'd rather listen Andre's album.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's more Cley More Lisa More podcasts soon. This is
a journey stuff pop up the valule Lisa's History of Sound.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, well week we are looking at the history of
sound and the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia
have very kindly teamed up with us to talk about
the history of sound. Today we're all about the cassette tape.
Welcome to Neil Hands from the National Film and Sound
Archive of Australia.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Lo Tanil Heydanil welcome, Hi, thanks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
For having us.
Speaker 16 (19:21):
Thank you any opportunity to talk about your sound.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Same So take us back to Neil who invented the
cassette tape.
Speaker 16 (19:30):
Yeah, well, the compact cassette or cassette tape was invented
by the Dutch leu Ottens in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Three for Phillips nineteen sixty three. Well yeah, but I
mean at the time I probably would have thought it
was even longer ago than that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Dutch gave us the compact cassette as it used to be.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Compact cassette and we ended up with a compact disc
later but it was you know, the technology at the
time was probably pretty cool, although had its limitations.
Speaker 16 (19:59):
Absolutely. So, you know, the tape as we know it
consists of two small spools of one one eight magnetic
tape which is enclosed in a plastic case and it
fits in the palm of your hand, and so the
tape has two sides. You have to take it out
and flip it to play it, and there's roughly only
about sixty to one hundred and twenty minutes of recording.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, and of course you had to fast forward.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Fumble the song. You didn't lie going around with it, right,
actually get a song on.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So was it designed for anything, for something specific other
than you know what we used it for.
Speaker 16 (20:33):
Mostly absolutely, So, you know, the origins of magnetic tape
are actually much earlier than the nineteen sixties. We've got
recordings on reels of wire in our collection that start
in the early nineteen hundreds and they were really intended
for field recordings or mostly on the domestic market for dictation, right.
(20:54):
But it was really you know, only as a lot
of companies began experimenting with tapes and with cartridges that
we got into a much cheaper, much smaller system that
playing and recording became so much more accessible. And so
you know, the first portable recorder available in Australia was
about eleven hundred dollars, which.
Speaker 17 (21:14):
Sounds like a lot.
Speaker 16 (21:15):
Yeah, but all of a sudden, sound recording was being democratized.
I mean compared to a big studio system, parent, having
a system in your house.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, the early computer, it's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We were certainly keen to lift that dictation in the bud.
Austin said when we spoke to him on Monday, to
Neil that that's what the phonograph cylinder was first.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, four absolutely right.
Speaker 16 (21:44):
I mean why it changed for us is that the
biggest innovation with tape as opposed to disc recording is
that with tape you can cut out sections, you can
sly sections together. But what we did was we moved
away from that dictation and the recording actually and you're
able to construct a creative work.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 16 (22:04):
What that meant is eventually we developed multi track and
stereo and lower distortion and it became a really cheap,
easy format for say small underground acts in Australia. Yeah,
He've got perts, the Triffids, the late seventies. Yes, they
had one hundred songs over their first two years, and
(22:24):
they released a six independent cassette taps within two years,
and they would sell them at gigs and that's how
they quickly distributed and became one of the most popular bands, and.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
We still talk about them.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It became made the music more mobile as well, didn't it.
You could get out on my dad one night went
and saw Neil Diamond I can't remember. It was subi
Ovall or the Whack and he recorded the whole concert
and the recording was awful because it actually started wearing out,
so the end of the game like crunching on eighty seven.
Yeah you could, yeah, but at least he got he
got a couple of songs. He got a couple at
the start of the gig that sounded all right. I
(22:56):
don't know if he ever played again. But we became
more mobile.
Speaker 16 (22:59):
Mobole was the music we definitely, I mean, and especially
when the Walkmen came around in nineteen seventy nine, all
of a sudden you had a player you could take anywhere,
you can listen to it by yourself, and you can
custom make a soundtrack for your own life.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, this is.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I mean, the Walkman changed my life because I was
able to sit in the backseat of the car on
a road trip. This is on the days where you
Mum and Dad chose the music and if you didn't
like it too, I could sit in the back and
I could listen to David Bowie or whatever while they've
got Max Bygraves playing on their cassette tape in the car.
And it was absolut it was freedom, oh call destiny
(23:41):
pretty much choice, and that's.
Speaker 16 (23:44):
Why it became the leading format from nineteen eighty four
to nineteen eighty two. I mean, the Walkman changed everyone's lives,
but we still had you know, there was so much
development and a real boom in cassette players. We had
them in cars from nineteen sixty eight, made it portable
and enjoyable and it was really picked up by surfers,
(24:04):
you know, bringing them out and playing them out the
back of the vans and blasting skyhooks and really did
amazing things for the Australian industry.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, they replaced the smaller cassettes, replacing the old eye
track because a lot of b are the eye tracks
in the curs.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Something else absolutely that was you know, probably it wasn't
the right thing, but it was life changing. The cassettes
was coming back from Bali with a suitcase full of
the dam things. I mean, was this the very first
example of pirating music?
Speaker 16 (24:36):
I don't know if it's the first example because we're
kind of wily, but I would say it definitely was
a big concern for the Australian industry. They estimated that
it was costing them about four hundred and forty point
eight million. That's not including just how easy tapes were
to shop lift compared to an LP.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I never gave that a pretty small slip, but I
did pick a few copies.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, you makes make them a mixtape so you don't
have to buy the album, you know album, No, I
don't have to.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Mixtapes were the first dating apps in my opinion, because
we didn't we didn't have social media to flirt.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I found that the best.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I think if there was someone you liked, you made
them a mixtape, really and that was the key to
their hearts.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Did you do that?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, If you.
Speaker 16 (25:28):
Didn't make a mixtape for someone you cared about it,
I don't want to know you.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, what about the revival? I mean It hasn't been
as huge as as people by going and buying vinyl,
But there have been some releases on cassettes in recent times,
aren't there.
Speaker 16 (25:41):
Absolutely? I think it has a large part to do
with the nostalgia. I think it's cheaper with an LP,
and labels are while they're producing these digital releases, they'll
often come with a limited edition collectibook cassette and that
comes with a digital download with it. You know, the
recent Barbie movie released its soundtrack on Hot Pink Transparent.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh my god, I love that one. First nostalgia too,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I do think they were sometimes the least loved of
all the forms, and yet they were the one probably
that did for me change so many things. Okay, the
quality might not have been as good as putting on
an album at home, but as I said, you know,
I was on the move with it.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
When it got caught in the heads. To take the
cord in the heads in your take rubbish?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How many how you try to save your favorite. You've
got the pencil, you're trying to wind it on, and
the moment you get that when you reach that moment
where you think, no, it's gone, I.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Reckon to it's frustrating. I can hear it in your voice.
Speaker 16 (26:41):
Oh absolutely, I mean I've done it myself, getting the
tape and getting it out and winding with the pencil
and getting your own sticky tape and trying to get
it back together.
Speaker 18 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (26:50):
But do you know what, I don't think CDs fixed
or anything like that. They were just I think they
were more easily scratched and less durable, and more when
listening to them, the skating kind of thing on them.
I think. I think cassettes are hard done by.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, they were sturdier.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Well to Neil, thank you for taking us through the
history of the cassette today.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Take care taking your calls and texts on your cassette
tape memories today as we continue the history of sound
mark and Palmhira said, such memories of the age of
cassettes and the skill needed to hit record in time
to record your favorite song for your mixtape and be
able to stop recording in time before the DJ starts
talking again. Also, the pencil you need to rewind the
tape when it was chewed up. That was it was
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an essential tool in my car and there we go.
Is that the youth of today doesn't know the real
pain of trying to save precious cassettes from destruction.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That they don't mark.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Look the tapes come out.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh no, do that for demonstration?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Wanting it back in? I've got the wrong a pencil,
can you.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I've just feeling of satisfaction when it lays flat, screwed,
it be gone, and you don't get to the end
and realize that you've done it backwards.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Sometimes if you've got the tapes a little bit crunkled,
you can hear it a little crunkled. Yeah, when it's
a little bit crunkled, you can hear it going over
the heads. When it's playing, it's like we get through
that rough pet. We're all good. David in the ad ship, Hello, David,
not too crunkled. What do you got for us?
Speaker 11 (28:25):
I'm sure we all. Back in the day, I used
to just recording off the TV at one point, trying
to keep everyone quiet in the house. Yeah, and recording away,
recording away, and the brother came into the same room
and they had a quick combo with the mother.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I didn't think anything of it at the time.
Speaker 19 (28:45):
I thought cut down two weeks later, I pulled it out,
was grooven away, and believe it or not, the conversation
somehow sinked up perfectly with the gap in the music.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So you're trying to tape off down.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Well, even today when I hear the song, it's just
it lives rent free in my head.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, that was early performance art.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You didn't even know you were recording there, very clever,
like Andy Warhole.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thanks David.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So many memories and the text lines just exploded again
this morning.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But it was just holding the cassette tape up to
the TV.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, that's pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I did that.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, or you had sometimes you had to plug in
a microphone and then some of the early ones back
in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh that's fantcy.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
No, I was just holding just holding it up, and
like hours and hours trying to get the stuff on
countdown and Gavin would to go and no, top.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Ten, Oh here we go. Teck Her in several Grimes, says.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
My husband and I made each other mixtapes before we
even started dating. I think all up, we made fifty
tapes for each other. Yes, and I expect you would
regret throwing them out lovely.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, like a little diary in music. Love the sound of.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That Katie and Golden Bay.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
This is gold nexted us to say as a young
and hot headed teenager, I war through and pressed record
to record dead air over the top of every single
mixtape owned by an ex boyfriend after a tragic breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yes, that is hilarious.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's going to make you feel better.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And that's the card of stuff you would do.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And I hope you found out good money, Hey on money,
look what you got for us from Cassetteville.
Speaker 20 (30:18):
Yeah, you know, many many years ago, maybe this was
I'm talking about nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (30:24):
I was also a radio presenter back at home, and
one of the few female radio presenters. Aleasa, I'm sure
you know what the feeling is, right when you have
fans calling you just you know, listening to your voice and.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thinking, oh wow, that's a cute voice.
Speaker 20 (30:39):
I really don't know what's behind that, right right, anyway,
that's okay. And one I walked up to the reception
of my workplace and I have this little mixtape of
all the most amazing love songs. Yeah, and it let's
say it just said to money from a fan and
I'm thinking, okay, So I take it back into the
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studio and I play it and it's amazing a bunch
of music. And then later on my show, I get
a call from into the studio talking to me, you know,
one of them, and then he says, oh, did you
get my gift? And I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, O
get this man who I don't even know what he
looks like. He sent me this amazing tape of songs,
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which I held on to for so many years because
you know, whenever a young present, it was absolutely amazing
to get something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, it's pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So this was way back in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 20 (31:32):
I think mixed taps were like a.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Thing, and I thought the story was going to end
with and then we got married.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I had a very very steady boyfriend by that time.
I guess, thanks Money, Money, that's a hell of a
voice you've got there.
Speaker 21 (31:53):
Oh, thank you, Thanks Money.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So and remember getting their cassettes from Katel because they
had your storage sort of as well.
Speaker 18 (32:00):
Does your tape collection look like this, then you need
a k Tell tape selector with special attachments. It fits
conveniently in your car stores all your tapes neatly ready
for easy selection. Tell the first tape forward, the others follow.
Automatically take your selection when it appears. When replacing tapes,
tape Selector automatically finds the proper place in your home
or in your car. Protect your valuable tapes with tape
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Selector four nine from ktel.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Okay from Kate Toeln.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Take the tape you selected when it.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Appears, Yeah, I love it, and then push them all
back in it. And I used to have a lot
of similar things for records as well.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Tell tells everything to everyone.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I were the bomb, wouldn't I it's cold? I dived
about Cash's today. What do you go for us?
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Well, back in the late nineties, I had to borrow
a cass Bury Mindies car. Yeah, very primely proper young lady.
She had her chair to Coraldo was brand news. So
I thought I was the bomb, so to speak, and
driving in the car, so you know, the cassette there,
I put it in there. Good old Johnny Mathis comes
on and I'm thinking that's not my thing. So I
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went to fast forward it and the shrieking sound that
came out of it and just didn't looked right in the
same right, and all of a sudden they just chewed.
Speaker 14 (33:16):
It up all over on Charles Street and decided to
do the good old living out. Yeah, and it got
stuck and I pulled it out and so forth, and
then try and do that, I think because my auntie
went off off and tried to find his cassette and
(33:40):
I still haven't found to this day. She sold the
car about ten years ago and it still had that
little bit of ribbon sticking out of the cassette player.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
They never ever though.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
The man who kill the man killed Johnny mathis made.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
Me killed oh Man great anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It was a smoothie, but bad memories. Thanks David leisure By.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Just imagine going off destroyed the tape Johnny Math But
also that panic, you know, I'm when it gets stuck
in there and you start you're trying to pull it
and either snaps or it's just like spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
When he said she was really prim and proper that
he was going to say hit playing it was Derrick
and Clive, who you calling?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I got a text from someone I didn't leave there now,
so I can't tell you, but says I heard of
a lady who got her friend in America. To take
the audio of Days of Our Lives episodes just off
the TV back in the day what Australia was years behind.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Just action apparently, no talking.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
How bizarre.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Then the friend described what was happening, How hilarious.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
It's funny because there was a lot of long stairs, right,
and those kinds of show, a lot of long stay,
long stairs, long stairs, go and stare at hope. Yeah, yeah,
all of that kind of stuff. So where missus Tarantula
was in.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Gave myself away.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
He did. Actually, let's go to Kingsley.
Speaker 21 (35:12):
Good Bye, good morning, and thanks for your show. I
love listening to you two in the morning.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
On the way we were espet appreciate it.
Speaker 21 (35:18):
So we My family and I immigrated from Poland in
nineteen eighty and in the nineteen eighty one or two,
I can't remember what it was. My parents bought a
little cassette player and I had a Beatles tape and
a Don McClain tape, and you know, being an eight
year old in the eighties, i'd Polish, being my first language.
I didn't quite understand the lyrics, so I.
Speaker 22 (35:36):
Would sit at the dining table and play the songs
and stop them and write down two words at a
time and then rewind and play them towards very I'm
trying to figure out what the words were, got a dictionary,
trying to figure out, you know what parcels.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
In the air was.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Oh yeah, so it really really.
Speaker 21 (35:53):
Helped me with my English at the time.
Speaker 22 (35:54):
In the ages, I loved mytte.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Flower all about American flight at the.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Same time, a great way to learn English.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It really is, actually that just you just reminded me
of that great scene with Whoopi Goldberg and Jumping Jack
Flash where she's trying to get the lyrics to that
rewinding getting one rewinding.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I can't work out with that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yes, yeah, well, thank you Marsha.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
He've got a text earlier from I think with Share
from Mountain. Helena said that I used to write words down,
you know, by continually pausing and playing my friends. I
used to write lyrics lyric books, which is cool. It's
any way to get.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It, Mandy and Mandro, what's your cassette memory? Hello?
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Well, I grew up in little sunny Bustleton in about
nineteen yeah, and about nineteen eighty five a group of
girls and myself were right into roller skating. Yes, so
every Saturday we'd get our two dollars, we'd all get
on our deadly tread Lea's and I would put my
boom box cassette player in the basket of my Deadly Treadley,
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crank up Billie id Or hot in the city, and
off we'd gone our Deadly Treadley's down to the roller ring.
Frank and Billiard out.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, you thought you were the bee's knees. That's cool.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
I think I had a red glittering jacket.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
And that's a day out day in the sun, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Yeah, and day all day at that roller ring, all day,
going around and around.
Speaker 13 (37:18):
Rainy night.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Maybe a slow skate at the end if you were
lucky Eddie Rabbit.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Yeah, I want to know what love is? That was
the Beeds skating with boring bleach.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, but a sweet and the speed skating.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Yeah, back on our deadly Treadley's, cranking Billy Idol, back
up on the.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Way like a snowball.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
She go, roll on the way off. Now you're talking,
you're talking, Thank you, bye.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
That's funny. Putting the boom box in the basket and
hope that it doesn't fall out and a bit of
Billy idle blaring.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I have quite the tale to share on the text
from Lize, so set the scene.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
It was nineteen seventy nine. I was eight months pregnant.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
We were driving to an anti Nator class in the
red Taruna with the giant tires and tiny racing stirring
wheel cook. I tried to put a cassette into the
tape deck, but it wouldn't go in. So I flipped
up the flippy flat thing to see what the problem was,
and out crawled a humongous Huntsman spider.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh dot dot don.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I ripped off my seat belt and managed to By
the way, I'm assuming that lizzes in the passenger seats.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I ripped off my seat.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Belt and managed to squeeze eight months pregnant between the
front seats to the back seat. The spider crawled across
the dash. I'm getting chewls to the driver's side. Have
you open the window to let it out? But the
wind blew it back onto me back seat.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Wondering to this day how I didn't give birth right
there and then for a nineteen seventy nine story, That
story has.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Everything that's a ripper, isn't it. There's a little bench seating.
I'm glad you survived and Bob, let's get to get
Andre and sorry.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Oh the two things to main things I remember about
it was having to press play record at the same time, yes,
catching someone talking and I had to laugh because when
I first called up after the very next song, when
I first started you guys go as the song was
playing like that would annoy.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
The me trying to bloody js. I never shut up.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It was Gavin Wood on countdown and try to.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Stop talking about and I'm trying to record.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I got you by split ends, Thanks Andrew.
Speaker 23 (39:46):
The other one I had, yes, was whenever I annoyed
my brothers, they would put the tape out or break
my cast so I wouldn't have them anymore.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
And it wasn't a it wasn't an itchline. It was
a win because I was a lovely young brother.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 23 (40:07):
The amount of time on the weekend trying to wind
them back and again and it doesn't work after the
third or fourth time.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
They get a bit screwed up to, don't they if
they do it? Thanks Mane.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We have time for one more called Christy and Westminster. Hello, Christy, Christy.
Speaker 12 (40:26):
Hello you guys.
Speaker 17 (40:27):
How are you doing right?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Actually great? But the casses you got a story for us?
Speaker 17 (40:32):
Yeah, the endless of pressing record and play button. When
I'm playing back of pressing recording, you get shouldn't members
words to that effect, exactly, today's the fake. So when
you're listening back to it and you hear this, that's
why I desert, Oh my god, and it ruins the
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song always halfway through. And now when I hear songs
and it's it's the song that I've actually pressed record through.
So listening to the song and then I hear this,
wait for this like pause, Oh shoo, that's.
Speaker 21 (41:06):
What I expect for someone when I hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now days ruined the song, But all part of the
memory makes pretty funny.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's Christy.
Speaker 17 (41:14):
Thanks, I have a great day.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Mister Higgins' new album, The Second Act, is out this Friday,
and Missy is with us now, good morning, welcome.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Hi, Hi, guys, say you're going good.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Not only is the Second Act coming out this Friday,
but the second act of the show will be in
Kings Park on Sunday, fifteenth of December. Tickets are on
sale now through ticket Master tell us about why it
is the second act.
Speaker 12 (41:38):
The second act, Well, it is, and this new album
is about entering the second act of my life, I guess.
I mean, I went through a big separation a couple
of years ago from my husband, and we have two
kids together, so it feels like I'm really moving into
the next chapter of my life and taking a big
kind of leap into the unknown and all. So I'm
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forty one, just turn forty one, so I'm kind of
moving into the second chapter literally, age wise, and I
think around this age is a lot of kind of
no matter what you're going through, there's always a bit
of reassessing, I think, and a lot of people I
know around me are going through similar kind of reckonings
of identity and direction and things like that. So yeah,
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it kind of grapples with all those big life issues.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
All those issues been a while between drinks album wise,
we see them. There's been a lot of life happening
in between. Did COVID effect that time as well?
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (42:33):
COVID was pretty intense for everyone, wasn't it. Melbourne particularly
had a very intense couple of years. Yeah, I think
it made everybody like reassess their values, like reassess what
they wanted to do with their life, how they wanted
to live, who they were living with. You know, it
was Yeah, it was a bit of an uprooting of
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everybody's kind of sense of safety and comfort.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I do feel that Melbourne had an experience that we
can't quite relate to in the same way. Here you
were the most locked down of the world, really, and
we were.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Probably the least. I was going to ask why.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
It's been six years since you released an album, but
I think you just answered it when you mentioned what's
been going on in your life. But coincides with the
twentieth anniversary of the Sound of White. First off, can
you believe it's been twenty years?
Speaker 15 (43:23):
Here?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Was I four, wasn't it?
Speaker 15 (43:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (43:26):
I know, Yeah, it's pretty big twenty years. I have
released music over the past six years. It's just and
I released an album. It was just a mini album,
So this is my first full length out from it
in six years. But yeah, that's coincide with the anniversary
of the Sound of White, which is kind of interesting
because it is there's definitely some parallels between the two albums,
I think.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, and what a huge success it was for you
as well a part of your life.
Speaker 19 (43:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (43:50):
Yeah, I have a lot to thank that album for really,
because it kind of really catafaulted me into the music scene.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, particularly Scar.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
It was one of those songs when when it came out,
it was one of those moments where you have where
you go, oh, hang on, this is this is good,
this is you know something new?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Did you always feel Skar was going to have that
kind of impact on everyone?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (44:13):
I mean I don't think anybody probably does when they
release a song unless you have a massive ego.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
But I was.
Speaker 12 (44:23):
It was also, you know, my first album ever, so
I had no idea anybody would listen to it. But
that that song I did know was a bit of
an ear worm, like yeah you wrote it. It was like,
oh my god, I can't cannot get this chorus out
of my head.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It must be it.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Must be a catch you one, Catch you one?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
So good, Hey, missy. I just want to know, as
a recording artist, you have to hear your voice over
again and hear your songs over again. But how do
you go with hearing and seeing yourself back? For example,
did you watch yourself on Australian Story on Monday night.
Speaker 12 (44:50):
No to watch myself. No, I can't read anything about
myself or watch myself or listen to myself wise weird, Yeah,
yeah I can't. I can't stop myself from criticizing myself.
I think it's just like picking up on every little
thing and honing in on it. So I'd rather just
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get the broad strokes from someone else.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I think people that read about themselves are just asking
for it, don't Yeah, especially that it's going to be
someone who didn't like what or what you said, especially your.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Whole episode of Australian Sorry, there's a lot to pick on. Yeah, yeah,
that was wonderful.
Speaker 12 (45:28):
Yeah, and it's pretty like you know, I get very
honest and vulnerable because the whole album is so it's
pretty intense, absolutely very honest. I had to go there.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, just thinking back to the first act for a moment.
Do you remember the first time you heard yourself on
the radio?
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Yeah, it was when I had one triple j unnest
when I was seventeen, And yeah, I heard it on
the radio at my my little because I went to
boarding school, I heard it radio that I woke up
to every morning, and yeah, it was crazy. It was
amazing and yeah, the best feeling ever.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
It's very very cool. I missing in a couple of
months you are being inducted, let me say this, into
the Aria Hall of Fame. When you found out, how
did you feel? And congratulations by the way, yes, congratulations,
thank you.
Speaker 12 (46:19):
Yeah, it was quite surreal. Actually, I felt extremely honored.
I mean, when I think about the other people who've
been inducted into the Hall of Fame, I can't quite
believe I'm going to be in their company. Great.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Our second actor is in Kings Park on Sunday, the
fifteenth of December. You have had some bad luck occasionally
without tour shows, but I think we're going to be
pretty safe on the fifteenth of December. Tickets are on
sound Now through Ticketmaster and the second act the album
is out on Friday. Once again, congratulations on the Hall
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of Fame.
Speaker 12 (46:52):
Thanks so much, guys, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Every introduction on that show will be Hall of Fame
and we'll say.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
That, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Thanks. Thanks a good day, Crazy and
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This is Clezy and Lisa's podcast.
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Coming up on the podcast today, we chat to the
lovely Lincoln Unus about season two of The Last King
of the.
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Cross Now continuing a history of sound special cassettes and
already calls about your cassette experiences.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
We delved into Clarsey's Tragic Music Box. He took us
back to the year nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
We caught up with Missy Higgins, soon to be inducted
in the Aria Hall of Fame. And on the Shore Report,
Lisa talked about the top ten Disney Villains rank by variety.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Season two of Last King of the Cross debuted on
Paramount last week. We got the first couple of episodes
and then they're coming out weekly. Of course, Lincoln Unis
is back in the role of John Ibrahan. This is
based on the autobiography of John Ibrahim. Hello Lincoln, Hey guys,
how are you very well?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
So season two?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
I loved season one, and so of course I devoured
the first two episodes of season two.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I did I totally did. I make no apology.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
It starts eighteen months after the end of season one,
Sam's locked up Sam Ibrahim, John's lying low overseas, probably
not even realizing he's doing a WRECKI in Obiita, and
he returns and discovers that King's Cross is not what
it used to be.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
We're right so far up.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
So yeah, no, you're right, you're right so far. I
was like, you're doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
So he looks towards Oxford Street. So does this really
closely follow the story of John Ibrahim.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, Look, it's inspired by his memoir. You know, there's
a lot of fictional kind of drama with it in
terms of timing, and we had a bit of license
to play with in terms of the timeline and certain
characters and things like that. But yeah, it follows fairly closely.
I mean, the Crosstig kind of lose its appeal and
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it's at Shine, and then Oxford Street took over and
John kind of moved there and kind of had to
start from zero because all you know, he'd learned how
to play the game in the Cross and recreate it.
But it's a whole new it's a whole new landscape
on Oxford Street, which is really fun to play and
hopefully quite interesting to watch.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I expected to be.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I mean sometimes in the shows, like you said, a
bit of creative a license, you could have a character
that didn't actually exist, or a compilation of various real people.
Can you tell us a bit about the new characters
in the show.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah, so there's some second season gives you the kind
of free reign to bring in kind of bigger.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
And more interesting or dynamic antagonist.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
So that's what we've got this season.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
We've got this wonderful actor in the v and Andrews
who lost them for projects. He plays this very intelligent,
kind of psychosexual antagonist called Ray who is kind of
the head of Oxford Street and the one that John
is trying to take over and replace. And then we've
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got we've got various other characters in Benny and Dean
who are kind of based off certain people and fictionalized,
but they are kind of unpredictable and relentless to trying
to become John, sometimes through violent means, sometimes through kind
of on the word on the street is dogging or
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writing him out.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
So yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Get a lot of different social structures and a lot
of different antagonism from different angles this season, which is
it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
To play with there.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean there are some violent means on occasion, and
a couple of times in the first couple of episodes,
I thought I was watching Dev Patel and Monkey Man again.
He's pretty amazing, And I thought the physicality you must
it's almost like a choreographed dance. Sometimes, is it hard
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to film those scenes and you must have to get
really into shape to be able to keep up.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Yeah, Look, I mean I love stunts. I have such
a respect for the stunt team and what people do.
That's why I did love Monkey Man so much.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Incredible, it's such a good movie.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
But yeah, what makes this slightly more difficult for me
was we shot a lot of it at night, obviously,
because that's where you know the story takes place in
real life. But I was wearing contacts for the entire shuit.
So I've got I've got blue eyes and John has
brown eyes. And what those colored lenses do is they
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kind of give this kind of I don't know, warm tint.
So when you're filming at night, trying to throw punches
and not land them or not receive them, it can
be quite a bit hairy.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, looking for contacts on the ground is not good. No, no, Sometimes,
like you spend half your life in the makeup and
hair chair, especially if you're getting injured and you've got
to go to get some scars and things going on.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the prosthetic scar on your stomach
and different hair and whatnot. It does take some time,
but the makeup team, as you, as you find out
when you're in the biz, are usually some of the
best people you'll meet.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So it was a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Fun, you know, at the at the risk of sounding
like a complete dork. One of my favorite you could
say characters characters from season one was the house that
you lived in. Oh my god, on a cliff, a
little bit gothic, totally up my alley?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Are you? And I've only seen a little.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Bit of you coming into coming back home and into
your houses at the same house this season it is the.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Same house, And I don't worry. I was a bit
of a dork when I.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Got there as well. Real estate nerd Yeah yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I've also like I used to live in l A
and they used to do this thing on Sundays where
you could go to open auctions and these these amazing
big mansions in l A, l A. No one knows
who anyone is. So I was walking around, you know, in.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
These in these.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not enough, I'll see.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm just going back for another look at the kitchen
got during season one UNLESSA mentioned this, how so many
times I reckon she she was during the show. She
was calling a broker to see if she hadn't have
to buy it.
Speaker 10 (06:38):
It was insane keep saving. I mean, it's quite expensive.
But the course feature, the course feature I found was
that has a has a toilet on the roof.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Are you a are you a log's kind of guy?
Or did you go because it's part of the job.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Look, you know, it's part of the job. But what
is nice is always, you know, running into old friends
and whatnot. It's a bit like, you know, a school
reunion or something like that. But yeah, yeah, those nights
are always longer than they need to be, and you know,
you have your fair share of like awkward random conversations
in the ad break. But look, I love I love
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the community I'm in, and it's really nice to run
into friends because a lot of the time you're either
working and you don't see people, or you're not working,
you don't see people. So yeah, it's just a good
excuse to catch up.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
One more quick question, if we may, we love to
ask where you were when you got the call to
say that you got the role.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Of John.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
That's a good question. I mean, look, I was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was aware of the project for a while.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And there was contact made on both sides about you know,
potentially playing the role. So look, I was kind of
in it from the beginning in terms of the stations.
But when I'm trying to think when the actual sign,
I think when I signed the doubled line, I was, Yeah,
(08:09):
I was here in Australia, and I have this this
really speaking of Dorothy. I have this tradition and when
I get a roll, I usually go to get a
tub of ven and ery.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Great, that's great, joy somewhere.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Yeah, I go and sit somewhere outside that because it's
probably the last time I'll be.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, are you do you like do you go down
the chocolate ale or more the sort of vanilla y
caramel isle.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One of those.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Annoying people that like if it's like chock fudge with
forty different things, that might yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'll take that.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, Lincoln, I do sometimes question myself as to whether
I'm supposed to love it as much as I.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Do with shows like this, But I do.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I love your character, I love your portrayal of Johnny Brahim.
It's fantastic and season two. Season one's there. Of course,
Season two has begun on Paramount episodes out on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I look forward to this week's.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Thanks, thank you, but look forward to seeing you in
a rock pool starring at Dolphin smelling like d Organ.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So oh yeah, thank you, Lincoln, Bye.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
More More Lisa More podcast soon.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Delving deep into the archives of birth music history, Clezies,
Tragic Music Box.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
My shoulders get moving when that you know your head
was bobbing as well. I noticed I've been an involuntary action.
Are you ready to go?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Okay, back to nineteen eighty is we mentioned earlier, Lisa,
and let's start with TV And of course in nineteen
eighty we're still saying everything's in living color because it
was pretty news. Yeah, you know, even if TV started
in color in Australia nineteen seventy five, we couldn't all
afford to have a color TV in the corner, especially
one with a remote. Now, okay, We're gonna start with
TV and you need to pick the TV theme songs.
(10:05):
You ready, Okay? Here the chanze if you know them.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It's a quizz show.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It is a quiz show.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
It's it's not likely Sale of the Century.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, where's Tony Barber? I can Okay, we're going drama.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Now, solos, damn this war brace poor.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
John Lorraine Bailey, isn't she sweet?
Speaker 11 (10:34):
Where we go?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
We're got to wash every episode of that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
With my mon cried buckets? Where Grace started?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Oh yeah, oh did she die? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Spoiler alert?
Speaker 4 (10:46):
My gee, Terry was annoying, wasn't it? Okay, here's the
third one.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
For you ks. God, I show that we're even allowed
to play the queen these days.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Without getting to show that just couldn't be made for it.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
You couldn't even get through the opening credits because you
know what's in that.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Shall I tell you what? When we've been doing some
retro stuff lately and reminiscing, a lot of people would
have said this The kingsold I just polished the lipstick
on the bridge, talking about the seventies, The Race of
Race about the kingsvid In nineteen eighty a copy of
the West Australian cost you fifteen cents and what was
weird was there? It was full less. There was a
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small spot reserved on the back page of the West
to any late news that didn't make any.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Time for the price late item. Yes, well, now of
course it's occupied by Harley Reed.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, of course no, he's He's on every page news
in nineteen eighty and I know you loving news. We lost,
sadly lost John Lennon.
Speaker 12 (11:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
The US got Ronald Reagan. He had been an actor
and the governor of California and he became the President
and a landslide victory over Jimmy Carter.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Andy Ray Guns. So weird, Nancy.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
And despite the widespread, widespread ball a boycott at least
of the Moscow Olympics, a seventeen year old kid from
Church Lance High won. Neil Brooks led Australia to victory
in the four by one hundred meters swim team. Really
just incredible, and I think Norman May nearly did a hernieo.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like the Mean Machine or something like that.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
First, the very first meme machine. Yeah yeah, and there
were other swimmers who joined the Meme Machine later nineteen
eighty our prime minister was Malcolm Fraser, so Charles Court
was wa premier at the time. His son Richard was
thirty three and was only thirteen years away from claiming
the job himself. It's quite so I didn't keep it
all in the family. Our population in Australia was fourteen
point seven million in nineteen eighty. Yeah, so I will
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be around about double that by twenty thirty. Didn't take long.
A block of land in Kingsley was fourteen thousand dollars.
The same block would be around six hundred k today
if you want to get it not easy to get.
Our biggest name in tennis was a super cool swede,
beyond Borg with that bad band he I lost his call.
The loudest voice in the game was either John McEnroe
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or Jimmy Connors, depending upon which of the American stars
was having a bad day, a bad set, a bad
game or a bad point. It cannot be serious. Yeah,
and Conners was pretty lad too. With him he was
More importantly, despite a year of illness and injury, the
incredible Von Goolagon Carley won the Wimbledon title, beating Chris
Evert Lloyd in straight sets.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That was amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, it was the battle of the hyphens at the movies.
In nineteen eighty six, symbol Bo, Derek and Dudley Moore
scored a hit with ten Yes, the Perfect ten. Well
she didn't get the oscar. They went to Meryl Street
for Kramer versus Kramer, but Bo got plenty of publicity
in the movie, made one hundred over one hundred million bucks,
got some five or six million to make Yes all
one needable.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Balinese girls have platted one million plats running.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Down the beach and Dudley being silly and for Yeah.
And our feature album This Morning from nineteen eighty is
en Yatam on Dadda, the third album from that trio
of Bottle Blonds. The Police Rip of this one I
was written during the band's second tour. They had limited time,
so they recorded in just four weeks, and drummer Stuart
Copeland has since admitted, look, we've been off more than
we could chew to be honest. They finished the recording
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of the album at four am on the first day
of the next world tour, So no rest of bak,
no rest for a hot band. You've got to get
back on the road. And despite the rush, there were
some incredible songs. The hit singles don't sound so close
to me. The Doo Doo Doo Di Da Da Da
was a ripper, the frenetic when the world is running down,
the bouncy canary in a coal mine and always light.
Speaker 13 (14:07):
Canary and a mine, Yeah so clear, the canary and
the rug and New cole it was, and the brilliant
driven to tears which may have sometime how the three
overworld newsos were feeling at the time are exhausted.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Zenana my Dad was number one here in Australia, of course,
in the UK reached number five, and in the US
it's sold over three million copies. I bought one of
those copies from seventy eight Records in Kay Street after
catching the bus into town from our place in Hammersley.
And I still got that up.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
The one with the pyramid on the front.
Speaker 14 (14:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's a quite orange looking, yes, but I've still got
it today and it's hardly it's got a lot of
scratches on a double Grammy winning album from the Police.
Wrapping up Today's journey back to nineteen eighty from that
Tragic Music Box on ninety six a FM.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
The Sure Report on ninety six air FM.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
In honor of the Walt Disney Company's one hundredth birthday.
This year, Variety Magazine has ranked Disney's ten best movie
villains of all time, counting down from ten. They've Got
Jaffar from Aladdin. Peter Pan's nemesis, Captain Hook is number nine.
Number eight is the Unseen man I e Humans in Bambi.
We Know what They did. Lady Tremaine, better known as
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the Wicked Stepmother and Cinderella is seven. Number six is
the eccentric e Isma from The Emperor's New Groove played
by Ertha Kid played brilliantly both Kit Gaston from Beauty
of the Beast is number five, Kruela Deville from one
hundred and one Dalmatians is four, and the top three
Disney villains according to Variety Magazine are Ursula from The
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Little Mermaid at number three, Scar from The Lion King
at number two, and the number one Disney villain drummroll Please,
Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty.
Speaker 15 (15:49):
The Princess shell indeed grow in grace and beauty, but
the father son sets on bus sixteenth birthday, she shall
preck a finger on the spin of a spinning wheel
and die.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Voice by Eleanor Ordley.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Variety considers Maleficent the very essence of cruelty and evil.
Elton John has been dealing with a severe health issue
that has left him with limited eyesight in one of
his eyes.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
He assures us it is healing, but it's.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
An extremely slow process and it's going to take some
time before site returns to the impacted eye. By the way,
his documentary Elton John Never Too Late, is premiering this
Friday at the Toronto Film Festival. It will be released
here on Disney Plus on Friday, December thirteenth. Can we
talk about Andre three thousand for a minute? You remember
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him from Outcasts?
Speaker 2 (16:55):
There is such a good song and he is the
best dressed man in music doing some increasingly unusual work
of late.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
His last song was called that night in Hawaii when
I turned into a panther and started making these low
register purring tones that I couldn't control.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's the title. And now he's released.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
A film of sorts on YouTube called Listening to the Sun.
It's eighty eight minutes of him sitting in a blue
room meditating as he listens to his new album, New
Blue sun which sounds like this.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's nice. I feel like I'm getting a massage.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Do if you're up for another eighty seven minutes and
forty five seconds of exactly that?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Like I said, it's on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Lengthy standing ovations at film festival premieres are becoming a
bit ridiculous. Julianne Moore and Tilda Swinton in the premiere
of Pedro Lmotiva's The Room next Door, has just received
a seventeen minute standing ovation, the longest one so far
this year. Seventeen minutes. Do you really need to stand
up and clap for seventeen minutes to convey the fact
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you enjoyed their movie? You could cook a stir fry
in less time, walk the dog. You could duck to
the shop for milk, get back, boil the kettle and
make a cuppa and probably drink it too, perhaps in
seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
That's just getting stupid.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
It's getting ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I do love a Pedro Motivar, but anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, I just would be one of you for a week. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I dare you to stand any laundering today clap for
seventeen minutes.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Okay, I'm going to try that.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Just do it. Let's try it now.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Take I'd rather I'd rather listen Andre's album.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
It's more Cley More Lisa More podcasts soon. This is
a journey stuff pop up the valule Lisa's History of Sound.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, well week we are looking at the history of
sound and the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia
have very kindly teamed up with us to talk about
the history of sound. Today we're all about the cassette tape.
Welcome to Neil Hands from the National Film and Sound
Archive of Australia.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Lo Tanil Heydanil welcome, Hi, thanks.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
For having us.
Speaker 16 (19:21):
Thank you any opportunity to talk about your sound.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Same So take us back to Neil who invented the
cassette tape.
Speaker 16 (19:30):
Yeah, well, the compact cassette or cassette tape was invented
by the Dutch leu Ottens in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Three for Phillips nineteen sixty three. Well yeah, but I
mean at the time I probably would have thought it
was even longer ago than that.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Dutch gave us the compact cassette as it used to be.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Compact cassette and we ended up with a compact disc
later but it was you know, the technology at the
time was probably pretty cool, although had its limitations.
Speaker 16 (19:59):
Absolutely. So, you know, the tape as we know it
consists of two small spools of one one eight magnetic
tape which is enclosed in a plastic case and it
fits in the palm of your hand, and so the
tape has two sides. You have to take it out
and flip it to play it, and there's roughly only
about sixty to one hundred and twenty minutes of recording.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yes, and of course you had to fast forward.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Fumble the song. You didn't lie going around with it, right,
actually get a song on.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So was it designed for anything, for something specific other
than you know what we used it for.
Speaker 16 (20:33):
Mostly absolutely, So, you know, the origins of magnetic tape
are actually much earlier than the nineteen sixties. We've got
recordings on reels of wire in our collection that start
in the early nineteen hundreds and they were really intended
for field recordings or mostly on the domestic market for dictation, right.
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But it was really you know, only as a lot
of companies began experimenting with tapes and with cartridges that
we got into a much cheaper, much smaller system that
playing and recording became so much more accessible. And so
you know, the first portable recorder available in Australia was
about eleven hundred dollars, which.
Speaker 17 (21:14):
Sounds like a lot.
Speaker 16 (21:15):
Yeah, but all of a sudden, sound recording was being democratized.
I mean compared to a big studio system, parent, having
a system in your house.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Yeah, the early computer, it's very expensive.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We were certainly keen to lift that dictation in the bud.
Austin said when we spoke to him on Monday, to
Neil that that's what the phonograph cylinder was first.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
You know, four absolutely right.
Speaker 16 (21:44):
I mean why it changed for us is that the
biggest innovation with tape as opposed to disc recording is
that with tape you can cut out sections, you can
sly sections together. But what we did was we moved
away from that dictation and the recording actually and you're
able to construct a creative work.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 16 (22:04):
What that meant is eventually we developed multi track and
stereo and lower distortion and it became a really cheap,
easy format for say small underground acts in Australia. Yeah,
He've got perts, the Triffids, the late seventies. Yes, they
had one hundred songs over their first two years, and
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they released a six independent cassette taps within two years,
and they would sell them at gigs and that's how
they quickly distributed and became one of the most popular bands, and.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
We still talk about them.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
It became made the music more mobile as well, didn't it.
You could get out on my dad one night went
and saw Neil Diamond I can't remember. It was subi
Ovall or the Whack and he recorded the whole concert
and the recording was awful because it actually started wearing out,
so the end of the game like crunching on eighty seven.
Yeah you could, yeah, but at least he got he
got a couple of songs. He got a couple at
the start of the gig that sounded all right. I
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don't know if he ever played again. But we became
more mobile.
Speaker 16 (22:59):
Mobole was the music we definitely, I mean, and especially
when the Walkmen came around in nineteen seventy nine, all
of a sudden you had a player you could take anywhere,
you can listen to it by yourself, and you can
custom make a soundtrack for your own life.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Well, this is.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I mean, the Walkman changed my life because I was
able to sit in the backseat of the car on
a road trip. This is on the days where you
Mum and Dad chose the music and if you didn't
like it too, I could sit in the back and
I could listen to David Bowie or whatever while they've
got Max Bygraves playing on their cassette tape in the car.
And it was absolut it was freedom, oh call destiny
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pretty much choice, and that's.
Speaker 16 (23:44):
Why it became the leading format from nineteen eighty four
to nineteen eighty two. I mean, the Walkman changed everyone's lives,
but we still had you know, there was so much
development and a real boom in cassette players. We had
them in cars from nineteen sixty eight, made it portable
and enjoyable and it was really picked up by surfers,
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you know, bringing them out and playing them out the
back of the vans and blasting skyhooks and really did
amazing things for the Australian industry.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yeah, they replaced the smaller cassettes, replacing the old eye
track because a lot of b are the eye tracks
in the curs.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Something else absolutely that was you know, probably it wasn't
the right thing, but it was life changing. The cassettes
was coming back from Bali with a suitcase full of
the dam things. I mean, was this the very first
example of pirating music?
Speaker 16 (24:36):
I don't know if it's the first example because we're
kind of wily, but I would say it definitely was
a big concern for the Australian industry. They estimated that
it was costing them about four hundred and forty point
eight million. That's not including just how easy tapes were
to shop lift compared to an LP.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I never gave that a pretty small slip, but I
did pick a few copies.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, you makes make them a mixtape so you don't
have to buy the album, you know album, No, I
don't have to.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Mixtapes were the first dating apps in my opinion, because
we didn't we didn't have social media to flirt.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I found that the best.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
I think if there was someone you liked, you made
them a mixtape, really and that was the key to
their hearts.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Did you do that?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes, If you.
Speaker 16 (25:28):
Didn't make a mixtape for someone you cared about it,
I don't want to know you.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Yeah, what about the revival? I mean It hasn't been
as huge as as people by going and buying vinyl,
But there have been some releases on cassettes in recent times,
aren't there.
Speaker 16 (25:41):
Absolutely? I think it has a large part to do
with the nostalgia. I think it's cheaper with an LP,
and labels are while they're producing these digital releases, they'll
often come with a limited edition collectibook cassette and that
comes with a digital download with it. You know, the
recent Barbie movie released its soundtrack on Hot Pink Transparent.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Oh my god, I love that one. First nostalgia too,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I do think they were sometimes the least loved of
all the forms, and yet they were the one probably
that did for me change so many things. Okay, the
quality might not have been as good as putting on
an album at home, but as I said, you know,
I was on the move with it.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
When it got caught in the heads. To take the
cord in the heads in your take rubbish?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
How many how you try to save your favorite. You've
got the pencil, you're trying to wind it on, and
the moment you get that when you reach that moment
where you think, no, it's gone, I.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Reckon to it's frustrating. I can hear it in your voice.
Speaker 16 (26:41):
Oh absolutely, I mean I've done it myself, getting the
tape and getting it out and winding with the pencil
and getting your own sticky tape and trying to get
it back together.
Speaker 18 (26:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 16 (26:50):
But do you know what, I don't think CDs fixed
or anything like that. They were just I think they
were more easily scratched and less durable, and more when
listening to them, the skating kind of thing on them.
I think. I think cassettes are hard done by.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, they were sturdier.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Well to Neil, thank you for taking us through the
history of the cassette today.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
It's lovely to talk to you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Take care taking your calls and texts on your cassette
tape memories today as we continue the history of sound
mark and Palmhira said, such memories of the age of
cassettes and the skill needed to hit record in time
to record your favorite song for your mixtape and be
able to stop recording in time before the DJ starts
talking again. Also, the pencil you need to rewind the
tape when it was chewed up. That was it was
(27:38):
an essential tool in my car and there we go.
Is that the youth of today doesn't know the real
pain of trying to save precious cassettes from destruction.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
That they don't mark.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Look the tapes come out.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Oh no, do that for demonstration?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Wanting it back in? I've got the wrong a pencil,
can you.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
I've just feeling of satisfaction when it lays flat, screwed,
it be gone, and you don't get to the end
and realize that you've done it backwards.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Sometimes if you've got the tapes a little bit crunkled,
you can hear it a little crunkled. Yeah, when it's
a little bit crunkled, you can hear it going over
the heads. When it's playing, it's like we get through
that rough pet. We're all good. David in the ad ship, Hello, David,
not too crunkled. What do you got for us?
Speaker 11 (28:25):
I'm sure we all. Back in the day, I used
to just recording off the TV at one point, trying
to keep everyone quiet in the house. Yeah, and recording away,
recording away, and the brother came into the same room
and they had a quick combo with the mother.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
I didn't think anything of it at the time.
Speaker 19 (28:45):
I thought cut down two weeks later, I pulled it out,
was grooven away, and believe it or not, the conversation
somehow sinked up perfectly with the gap in the music.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So you're trying to tape off down.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
Well, even today when I hear the song, it's just
it lives rent free in my head.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, that was early performance art.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
You didn't even know you were recording there, very clever,
like Andy Warhole.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Thanks David.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So many memories and the text lines just exploded again
this morning.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But it was just holding the cassette tape up to
the TV.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, that's pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I did that.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Yeah, or you had sometimes you had to plug in
a microphone and then some of the early ones back
in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh that's fantcy.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
No, I was just holding just holding it up, and
like hours and hours trying to get the stuff on
countdown and Gavin would to go and no, top.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Ten, Oh here we go. Teck Her in several Grimes, says.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
My husband and I made each other mixtapes before we
even started dating. I think all up, we made fifty
tapes for each other. Yes, and I expect you would
regret throwing them out lovely.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, like a little diary in music. Love the sound of.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That Katie and Golden Bay.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
This is gold nexted us to say as a young
and hot headed teenager, I war through and pressed record
to record dead air over the top of every single
mixtape owned by an ex boyfriend after a tragic breakup.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yes, that is hilarious.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
That's going to make you feel better.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And that's the card of stuff you would do.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
And I hope you found out good money, Hey on money,
look what you got for us from Cassetteville.
Speaker 20 (30:18):
Yeah, you know, many many years ago, maybe this was
I'm talking about nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (30:24):
I was also a radio presenter back at home, and
one of the few female radio presenters. Aleasa, I'm sure
you know what the feeling is, right when you have
fans calling you just you know, listening to your voice and.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thinking, oh wow, that's a cute voice.
Speaker 20 (30:39):
I really don't know what's behind that, right right, anyway,
that's okay. And one I walked up to the reception
of my workplace and I have this little mixtape of
all the most amazing love songs. Yeah, and it let's
say it just said to money from a fan and
I'm thinking, okay, So I take it back into the
(30:59):
studio and I play it and it's amazing a bunch
of music. And then later on my show, I get
a call from into the studio talking to me, you know,
one of them, and then he says, oh, did you
get my gift? And I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, O
get this man who I don't even know what he
looks like. He sent me this amazing tape of songs,
(31:19):
which I held on to for so many years because
you know, whenever a young present, it was absolutely amazing
to get something like that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, it's pretty Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
So this was way back in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 20 (31:32):
I think mixed taps were like a.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Thing, and I thought the story was going to end
with and then we got married.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
I had a very very steady boyfriend by that time.
I guess, thanks Money, Money, that's a hell of a
voice you've got there.
Speaker 21 (31:53):
Oh, thank you, Thanks Money.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
So and remember getting their cassettes from Katel because they
had your storage sort of as well.
Speaker 18 (32:00):
Does your tape collection look like this, then you need
a k Tell tape selector with special attachments. It fits
conveniently in your car stores all your tapes neatly ready
for easy selection. Tell the first tape forward, the others follow.
Automatically take your selection when it appears. When replacing tapes,
tape Selector automatically finds the proper place in your home
or in your car. Protect your valuable tapes with tape
(32:22):
Selector four nine from ktel.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Okay from Kate Toeln.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Take the tape you selected when it.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Appears, Yeah, I love it, and then push them all
back in it. And I used to have a lot
of similar things for records as well.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Tell tells everything to everyone.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
I were the bomb, wouldn't I it's cold? I dived
about Cash's today. What do you go for us?
Speaker 8 (32:47):
Well, back in the late nineties, I had to borrow
a cass Bury Mindies car. Yeah, very primely proper young lady.
She had her chair to Coraldo was brand news. So
I thought I was the bomb, so to speak, and
driving in the car, so you know, the cassette there,
I put it in there. Good old Johnny Mathis comes
on and I'm thinking that's not my thing. So I
(33:08):
went to fast forward it and the shrieking sound that
came out of it and just didn't looked right in the
same right, and all of a sudden they just chewed.
Speaker 14 (33:16):
It up all over on Charles Street and decided to
do the good old living out. Yeah, and it got
stuck and I pulled it out and so forth, and
then try and do that, I think because my auntie
went off off and tried to find his cassette and
(33:40):
I still haven't found to this day. She sold the
car about ten years ago and it still had that
little bit of ribbon sticking out of the cassette player.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
They never ever though.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
The man who kill the man killed Johnny mathis made.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
Me killed oh Man great anymore.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It was a smoothie, but bad memories. Thanks David leisure By.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Just imagine going off destroyed the tape Johnny Math But
also that panic, you know, I'm when it gets stuck
in there and you start you're trying to pull it
and either snaps or it's just like spaghetti.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
When he said she was really prim and proper that
he was going to say hit playing it was Derrick
and Clive, who you calling?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I got a text from someone I didn't leave there now,
so I can't tell you, but says I heard of
a lady who got her friend in America. To take
the audio of Days of Our Lives episodes just off
the TV back in the day what Australia was years behind.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Just action apparently, no talking.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
How bizarre.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Then the friend described what was happening, How hilarious.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
It's funny because there was a lot of long stairs, right,
and those kinds of show, a lot of long stay,
long stairs, long stairs, go and stare at hope. Yeah, yeah,
all of that kind of stuff. So where missus Tarantula
was in.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Gave myself away.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
He did. Actually, let's go to Kingsley.
Speaker 21 (35:12):
Good Bye, good morning, and thanks for your show. I
love listening to you two in the morning.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
On the way we were espet appreciate it.
Speaker 21 (35:18):
So we My family and I immigrated from Poland in
nineteen eighty and in the nineteen eighty one or two,
I can't remember what it was. My parents bought a
little cassette player and I had a Beatles tape and
a Don McClain tape, and you know, being an eight
year old in the eighties, i'd Polish, being my first language.
I didn't quite understand the lyrics, so I.
Speaker 22 (35:36):
Would sit at the dining table and play the songs
and stop them and write down two words at a
time and then rewind and play them towards very I'm
trying to figure out what the words were, got a dictionary,
trying to figure out, you know what parcels.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
In the air was.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Oh yeah, so it really really.
Speaker 21 (35:53):
Helped me with my English at the time.
Speaker 22 (35:54):
In the ages, I loved mytte.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Flower all about American flight at the.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Same time, a great way to learn English.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
It really is, actually that just you just reminded me
of that great scene with Whoopi Goldberg and Jumping Jack
Flash where she's trying to get the lyrics to that
rewinding getting one rewinding.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
I can't work out with that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yes, yeah, well, thank you Marsha.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
He've got a text earlier from I think with Share
from Mountain. Helena said that I used to write words down,
you know, by continually pausing and playing my friends. I
used to write lyrics lyric books, which is cool. It's
any way to get.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It, Mandy and Mandro, what's your cassette memory? Hello?
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Well, I grew up in little sunny Bustleton in about
nineteen yeah, and about nineteen eighty five a group of
girls and myself were right into roller skating. Yes, so
every Saturday we'd get our two dollars, we'd all get
on our deadly tread Lea's and I would put my
boom box cassette player in the basket of my Deadly Treadley,
(36:53):
crank up Billie id Or hot in the city, and
off we'd gone our Deadly Treadley's down to the roller ring.
Frank and Billiard out.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Yeah, you thought you were the bee's knees. That's cool.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
I think I had a red glittering jacket.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
And that's a day out day in the sun, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Yeah, and day all day at that roller ring, all day,
going around and around.
Speaker 13 (37:18):
Rainy night.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Maybe a slow skate at the end if you were
lucky Eddie Rabbit.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Yeah, I want to know what love is? That was
the Beeds skating with boring bleach.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, but a sweet and the speed skating.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Yeah, back on our deadly Treadley's, cranking Billy Idol, back
up on the.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Way like a snowball.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
She go, roll on the way off. Now you're talking,
you're talking, Thank you, bye.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
That's funny. Putting the boom box in the basket and
hope that it doesn't fall out and a bit of
Billy idle blaring.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I have quite the tale to share on the text
from Lize, so set the scene.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
It was nineteen seventy nine. I was eight months pregnant.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
We were driving to an anti Nator class in the
red Taruna with the giant tires and tiny racing stirring
wheel cook. I tried to put a cassette into the
tape deck, but it wouldn't go in. So I flipped
up the flippy flat thing to see what the problem was,
and out crawled a humongous Huntsman spider.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Oh dot dot don.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I ripped off my seat belt and managed to By
the way, I'm assuming that lizzes in the passenger seats.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I ripped off my seat.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Belt and managed to squeeze eight months pregnant between the
front seats to the back seat. The spider crawled across
the dash. I'm getting chewls to the driver's side. Have
you open the window to let it out? But the
wind blew it back onto me back seat.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Wondering to this day how I didn't give birth right
there and then for a nineteen seventy nine story, That
story has.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Everything that's a ripper, isn't it. There's a little bench seating.
I'm glad you survived and Bob, let's get to get
Andre and sorry.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Oh the two things to main things I remember about
it was having to press play record at the same time, yes,
catching someone talking and I had to laugh because when
I first called up after the very next song, when
I first started you guys go as the song was
playing like that would annoy.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
The me trying to bloody js. I never shut up.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It was Gavin Wood on countdown and try to.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Stop talking about and I'm trying to record.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I got you by split ends, Thanks Andrew.
Speaker 23 (39:46):
The other one I had, yes, was whenever I annoyed
my brothers, they would put the tape out or break
my cast so I wouldn't have them anymore.
Speaker 6 (39:57):
And it wasn't a it wasn't an itchline. It was
a win because I was a lovely young brother.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 23 (40:07):
The amount of time on the weekend trying to wind
them back and again and it doesn't work after the
third or fourth time.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
They get a bit screwed up to, don't they if
they do it? Thanks Mane.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
We have time for one more called Christy and Westminster. Hello, Christy, Christy.
Speaker 12 (40:26):
Hello you guys.
Speaker 17 (40:27):
How are you doing right?
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Actually great? But the casses you got a story for us?
Speaker 17 (40:32):
Yeah, the endless of pressing record and play button. When
I'm playing back of pressing recording, you get shouldn't members
words to that effect, exactly, today's the fake. So when
you're listening back to it and you hear this, that's
why I desert, Oh my god, and it ruins the
(40:53):
song always halfway through. And now when I hear songs
and it's it's the song that I've actually pressed record through.
So listening to the song and then I hear this,
wait for this like pause, Oh shoo, that's.
Speaker 21 (41:06):
What I expect for someone when I hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Now days ruined the song, But all part of the
memory makes pretty funny.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It's Christy.
Speaker 17 (41:14):
Thanks, I have a great day.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Mister Higgins' new album, The Second Act, is out this Friday,
and Missy is with us now, good morning, welcome.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Hi, Hi, guys, say you're going good.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Not only is the Second Act coming out this Friday,
but the second act of the show will be in
Kings Park on Sunday, fifteenth of December. Tickets are on
sale now through ticket Master tell us about why it
is the second act.
Speaker 12 (41:38):
The second act, Well, it is, and this new album
is about entering the second act of my life, I guess.
I mean, I went through a big separation a couple
of years ago from my husband, and we have two
kids together, so it feels like I'm really moving into
the next chapter of my life and taking a big
kind of leap into the unknown and all. So I'm
(42:00):
forty one, just turn forty one, so I'm kind of
moving into the second chapter literally, age wise, and I
think around this age is a lot of kind of
no matter what you're going through, there's always a bit
of reassessing, I think, and a lot of people I
know around me are going through similar kind of reckonings
of identity and direction and things like that. So yeah,
(42:24):
it kind of grapples with all those big life issues.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
All those issues been a while between drinks album wise,
we see them. There's been a lot of life happening
in between. Did COVID effect that time as well?
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (42:33):
COVID was pretty intense for everyone, wasn't it. Melbourne particularly
had a very intense couple of years. Yeah, I think
it made everybody like reassess their values, like reassess what
they wanted to do with their life, how they wanted
to live, who they were living with. You know, it
was Yeah, it was a bit of an uprooting of
(42:54):
everybody's kind of sense of safety and comfort.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
I do feel that Melbourne had an experience that we
can't quite relate to in the same way. Here you
were the most locked down of the world, really, and
we were.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Probably the least. I was going to ask why.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
It's been six years since you released an album, but
I think you just answered it when you mentioned what's
been going on in your life. But coincides with the
twentieth anniversary of the Sound of White. First off, can
you believe it's been twenty years?
Speaker 15 (43:23):
Here?
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Was I four, wasn't it?
Speaker 15 (43:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (43:26):
I know, Yeah, it's pretty big twenty years. I have
released music over the past six years. It's just and
I released an album. It was just a mini album,
So this is my first full length out from it
in six years. But yeah, that's coincide with the anniversary
of the Sound of White, which is kind of interesting
because it is there's definitely some parallels between the two albums,
I think.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, and what a huge success it was for you
as well a part of your life.
Speaker 19 (43:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (43:50):
Yeah, I have a lot to thank that album for really,
because it kind of really catafaulted me into the music scene.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Well, particularly Scar.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
It was one of those songs when when it came out,
it was one of those moments where you have where
you go, oh, hang on, this is this is good,
this is you know something new?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Did you always feel Skar was going to have that
kind of impact on everyone?
Speaker 2 (44:13):
No?
Speaker 12 (44:13):
I mean I don't think anybody probably does when they
release a song unless you have a massive ego.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
But I was.
Speaker 12 (44:23):
It was also, you know, my first album ever, so
I had no idea anybody would listen to it. But
that that song I did know was a bit of
an ear worm, like yeah you wrote it. It was like,
oh my god, I can't cannot get this chorus out
of my head.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It must be it.
Speaker 12 (44:37):
Must be a catch you one, Catch you one?
Speaker 4 (44:39):
So good, Hey, missy. I just want to know, as
a recording artist, you have to hear your voice over
again and hear your songs over again. But how do
you go with hearing and seeing yourself back? For example,
did you watch yourself on Australian Story on Monday night.
Speaker 12 (44:50):
No to watch myself. No, I can't read anything about
myself or watch myself or listen to myself wise weird, Yeah,
yeah I can't. I can't stop myself from criticizing myself.
I think it's just like picking up on every little
thing and honing in on it. So I'd rather just
(45:10):
get the broad strokes from someone else.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I think people that read about themselves are just asking
for it, don't Yeah, especially that it's going to be
someone who didn't like what or what you said, especially your.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Whole episode of Australian Sorry, there's a lot to pick on. Yeah, yeah,
that was wonderful.
Speaker 12 (45:28):
Yeah, and it's pretty like you know, I get very
honest and vulnerable because the whole album is so it's
pretty intense, absolutely very honest. I had to go there.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, just thinking back to the first act for a moment.
Do you remember the first time you heard yourself on
the radio?
Speaker 12 (45:48):
Yeah, it was when I had one triple j unnest
when I was seventeen, And yeah, I heard it on
the radio at my my little because I went to
boarding school, I heard it radio that I woke up
to every morning, and yeah, it was crazy. It was
amazing and yeah, the best feeling ever.
Speaker 4 (46:08):
It's very very cool. I missing in a couple of
months you are being inducted, let me say this, into
the Aria Hall of Fame. When you found out, how
did you feel? And congratulations by the way, yes, congratulations,
thank you.
Speaker 12 (46:19):
Yeah, it was quite surreal. Actually, I felt extremely honored.
I mean, when I think about the other people who've
been inducted into the Hall of Fame, I can't quite
believe I'm going to be in their company. Great.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
Our second actor is in Kings Park on Sunday, the
fifteenth of December. You have had some bad luck occasionally
without tour shows, but I think we're going to be
pretty safe on the fifteenth of December. Tickets are on
sound Now through Ticketmaster and the second act the album
is out on Friday. Once again, congratulations on the Hall
(46:51):
of Fame.
Speaker 12 (46:52):
Thanks so much, guys, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Every introduction on that show will be Hall of Fame
and we'll say.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
That, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Thanks. Thanks a good day, Crazy and
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Lisa ninety six, Avem
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