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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Clearsy and leases.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
How does it make it in WAP in this son,
I'll make you a.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Start as we continue to you know, it's a case
of stick with me. I'll make you a star. Looking
at you know, the development of West Australia, Sam is
a you can forget New York, New York. It's just
York York.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's a new hub, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
It is the new hub. And you've been at the
center of the hub of acting in WA for quite
some time.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, thirty odd years, very very odd years, actually, when
I say it out loud, Yeah, And I've done everything
from you know, from stage plays in undercover areas in
primary schools to His Majesty's theater, the Heath Ledger, film,
TV radio. I've done the full gamut, Yeah, full gamut.
Now I've actually my first ever professional gigs with Barking
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Gecko Theater Company back in the early nineties and a
few months ago you've come from full circle now the
director of Barking Gecko.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So it's wonderful man, Barking Gecko has been a stayer.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah. Five years, yeah, thirty five years. And as I'm
sure you guys know, we just recently announced that we
have merged with Awesome Festival. So now Barking Gecko Arts
we are presents the Awesome International Children's Festival. So we're
even bigger, even stronger. This should allow us to reach
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more kids and do more shows and have more art in.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
It's not an accident. Marking Gecko has survived because of
some hard.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Graft, hard work, love of talent.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
What does it answer the question what does it take
to make it in this industry?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Wow? Okay, that's a great question. I think. No, I
think you've hit it on the grit and determination is
a part of it. Yeah, there are as you guys know,
there are so many facets to the industry. If we're
talking about what it takes to be to make it
as an actor, I mean, it's so if theory we
don't know. We really don't know. If anyone could say, oh,
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this is the magic thing that makes it happen, everyone
to be going great, I'll just do that.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
People talk about the it factor. No one knows what
it is, but you've got it.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, not many you know that Heath Ledger magic. That's
you know, we'll just go bag and you.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Can see it sometimes with people that little twinkle in
their eye, the way they inhabit a role and just go, oh, look,
she was perfect in that. But she may have done
a really bad audition for the previous show and they went, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Not her.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
It's very very it's really weird. And the industry, the
performing arts, is one of the few industries where they
can totally not give you the role because of how
you look. Go to another job interview, the color of
your hair doesn't matter. In fact, your gender shouldn't matter.
Your skills on the on the paper, that's what counts.
But even you go on audition for a role and
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they just go, boom, she's got it, we need her
what It doesn't matter if you've got a degree or not.
It doesn't matter whether you've been to whop her or not.
It's whether or not you've got what they need just
for that particular role, the essence, and it depends on
the director. If I'm directing, I'm looking for something might
be different from when Andrew Gibbs is directing, and she's
looking for something to dot it as well, And then
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every role and then what that And so there's a
big chunk of luck in there of good friend Sam Murray.
She was auditioning for a film and she just wasn't
feeling it. She was at work, she was like so
many other actors. She was making coffee and clearing dishes,
and her friend turner and said, are you supposed to
be somewhere? And she's like what, oh the audition and
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had totally spaced it, so was not prepared. Didn't gust
yourself up. She basically before she even got to the audition,
She's like, I'm not getting this. There's no way I'm
getting this. I'm not prepared. I've still got you know,
mocker on my t shirt. Went in there, didn't give
a crap, did the audition, walked out, went back to
her shift, never thought anything of it. A week later,
her agent calls and goes, so, Harve Ca, I tell
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loved what you did and you're in the film. Wow,
just like what? So I just don't have to care
and assume I don't have it. And on that date,
on that particular day, it might have been the magic
to it, and that might have been where we don't
trying too hard or who knows how to impress? Who knows?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's not for the fainthearted, is it I mean, let's
be real, you don't have a fairly thick skin, you
really do.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean, any performative industry where you can be judged
by the populace guaranteed thirty percent of people are going
to hate you. Of course, it doesn't matter. They're going
to and you have to go, yeah, that's fine, You're
allowed to hate me. That's okay. You do have to
have a thick skin. In with auditioning. When I was
an actor and I still am, my rule was rule
of ten. You do ten auditions and you might get
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a callback on one, okay, So you have to be
to fail nine times if you're not prepared to fail,
and if you take it personally after nine times, if
personal you didn't get it, it's going to hurt. You
know you're going to feel. So if you go, no, no,
I didn't get it, one's fine. I'm close to my tent.
And then when you get one.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Gig, you've rolled up to the audition, so you've got
to see that as a successful step already absolutely top
if you get.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
The wrong exactly, and I had one active friend of
mine said, oh, the work is auditioning. When you get
the role, that's what you do for love and they
pay you. But work is learning stuff for a show
that you never end up getting on and all of that.
But look in Perth we are we are doing far
more stuff here now and so we are to yeah
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and awesome. He is putting on a lot of shows
and they always back w a first barking gecko. Our
new thing is West Australian first, where possible gender equality
on our shows. West Australian Artists first. And that's how
we're rolling out. And that means we will have some
people from the East, but we're going to We've got
enough talent here. We've got so much talent.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
We've got the best training school in the Southern Hemisphere.
I mean, Whopper is just I've always wanted to bring
out a bumper sticker that says, Whopper, they go in good,
they come out. The world the number of people that
go to Nier while they're you know, trying to or
any of the other ones over east while they're trying
to get to the great Whopper. But it's you know,
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I mean, if you're really really keen, you probably want
to start even earlier. What local theater Local theater groups
are they a thing? That you can get involved in.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
I mean, I didn't go to Whopper. I taught it.
I didn't get in, And looking back at my young self,
I wouldn't have let me in either. I didn't prepare
well enough. You know. I was long and lanky. I
didn't quite fit in the Neighbours model, which they at
the time. I believe Wopper had a very much you've
got to be this height, you've got to be blonde,
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and you've got to beautiful, and they're thrown that out
the classes now Whopper, they've they've realized that diversity is
very much something we have to right and they're really
they're really great. I cannot speak highly enough of Whopper.
But I went and I trod the boards in the
local community theater to begin with, and then I did
the independent theater. I did the blue room route, and
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I just worked. Yeah, I just did show after show
after show, and I was a bartender the whole time,
trying to get paid along the way. And yeah, and
I made a full time professional career for twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
It's amazing because I went with my son to a
Joam show on the weekend, Yeah, Jones Boy Theater, and
it was so much fun. Now these people aren't getting paid,
but they're loving their craft. And the people in the crowd,
I said, the least is only thirty odd seats in
that theater, but the people in the next two productions,
and the mates of the people on stage cheering and
joining in.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It was just a joy to be there. Yeah. And
Joam is a really good example of people doing art
for the sake of doing art and to make themselves happy. Yes,
and to be creative. And I think everybody needs a
creative outlet in some way, whether it's you know, you
glue pop sticks together and make wind shines. I think
that's legitimate mental health, having some spot of creativity, to
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be able to look at a piece of art, whether
a poem or a sculpture or a piece of theater
and go my brain, my heart went into that. Yeah,
And I built that. Yeah, And I think, and I
don't know if you did the same. When you listen
back to your radio show. You can go a little
bit of pride in that.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But it's a solid I mean, it's a solid base
for anything else in life too, especially when you're considering
theater and you are very big with improv and I've
always said improv sorts separates the men from the boys,
and there's a thing to go It's one thing to
go into something with a script. It's another thing to
go in with a word or an idea or something
and then away you go, see I've done it.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Away from dying up there.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Exactly, and that's going to set you up for your job, interviews, life,
just life in general.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Any kind of creativity helps, i think,
expand the mind and teaches people to attack a problem
from a different point of view. And AI isn't doing that.
Humans are doing that, and human creativity is one of
those things that AI is trying to do or we're
trying to do with a I'm not quite sure where
those lines are, but it's one thing that will always
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be something that humans will will be better at, in
my opinion, that creativity, that problem solving, and any kind
of art form you can do, you're going to No.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I was just going to say, the great thing about
this industry becoming such a big thing in w ways.
It's not just treading the boards or in front of
the camera either. There's so many great ways to you know,
have a career around around it. Behind the scenes.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Everybody on stage, you see there's three or four people backstage.
When you go into film and TV, you multiply that
by ten. Yes. Yeah, So that actor, you know, she's
up there doing a fantastic job. But first she was
in the in the hair and makeup trailer. Before that
she was in costuming, and before that she was with
a third ad, and before that she was with craft services.
And so just there's this multitude of people who are
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all creating something beautiful, something worthwhile watching. In most cases
that enhances the whole of our community, our cultural conversation,
our society, and is making w a bigger and stronger
I think for culturally and artistically.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You mentioned catering because that's where I'd be.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
It's hard to get you. Yeah, I deserve Look.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
If you don't get catering right on a film shoot,
the whole thing can fall apart. I want that because
for the next two hours post lunch, all the crews
and the cast are talking about. When the cameras aren't rolling,
is how good lunch was. They're about it. And if
they're not, if they're doing ten hour days and they
haven't been fed, oh they are angry and they're not
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looking forward to the next one. And if somebody, God
forbid doesn't like it and has to leave the set
to go and get lunch, yes, then all kinds of
problems can have happened. And where is it? Yeahway is it? Subway?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You can't correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure
I sat at Kings Park and watched you in a
Shakespeare in the Park one night. Does that sound right?
Would you have done that in your career? I did
about ten seasons. Yeah, so surprised you didn't do only one.
The reason so that night you're talking about getting the role,
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but it was it was like the It was like
a standing ovation on the lawn. You know. People appreciated
the humor and the production so much, so you must
have loved doing that.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I absolutely loved doing that, and that was one of
those training grounds that we've lost it a little bit
for the Shakespeare in the Park because what WA has
realized is that that Kings Park is such a beautiful place,
and we were an outdoor people, so we want to
go and see stuff outdoors. So you know, you know,
if Jack Johnson's coming to play, he's going to play
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in the park of course, because why not. This is magnificent. Yeah,
and he can play two nights and the King's Park
will make more money than they will than three months
of Shakespeare in the Park. But that's okay, We'll find
other ways. We've got lots of beautiful theaters. It was
great doing Shakespeare in the Park when you're projecting at
the bottom of a hill up to the top of
a hill of five six hundred people with the wind
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blowing directly across you, so your voice. Yeah, Well, the
party boat goes by, and the kooka barrough just stole
someone's piece of chicken. Like to hold an audience with
all of that going on, I've said as it was
very very regular.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well for anyone, doesn't matter how old they are, thinking,
I would like to take advantage of what's happening in
this this industry and get involved. What would you suggest
is the one place they start? I mean, you know,
we talk about getting involved with community theater groups, but
where do they start? What do they google? What are
they looking up to?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's a really lucky rate question. Do you look?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Do you just google local theater?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah? I mean there are a few out there and
they need people, they want people. They are building a
community like joam Is. They have their group of people
and they are always welcoming and it's about putting it on.
And you might go, I just want to be involved,
but I don't like being on stage, and most people
don't like being on stage. So what I want to
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do is sell tickets. Great in front of house, get
somebody smiles and takes your ticket and is part of
that way. Or maybe you do want to be on stage. Great,
you get up there, you audition, You start with a
small part, they go, oh, yeah, he's not bad. The
next part you get a little bit bigger, and before
you know it, it goes on and on and on. Yes,
start there. Classes I think are really good thing for
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people to do because you can try something out. If
you ever want to do stand up comedy, try stand
up comedy class. You may hate it, but you tried it,
you were brave enough. That's great. You know, if you
want to go painting, try watercolors for a little while.
You need a bit of creativity. Keeps the heart and
the soul and the mind active in a very different way. Yeah.
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I don't know who you're, where you are and where
your community is, but just have a look for their
theater and go along to your show.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yes, you along to your show because start networking. Yeah,
if you love acting class with any murder monks. She
told me you'd be good for sci fi, Dean fi
sci fi. With your height and your voice, you'd be
good for sci fi. I mean, I'm not going to
disagree with any murder monks. She knows starting to make
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a sci fi movie.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
You're in it. Absolutely. The gig is the freak.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
All right, Well, this is all good information and what's
coming up at the Barking Gecko Theater. But we can look.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Forward to Gecko Theater. We've got House, which is a
remount you may have seen House before. It's an incredibly
beautiful show where ringing out at the Octagon Theater at
u w A that starts November sometimes checking I.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Love anything talking about outdoor stuff. That of all stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And the Octagon too. Yeah, it's beautiful. And then we've
got shows on next year which I'll let you know
next year. Keep in touch to long.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yes, that's fantastic, Thanks for coming in, No worry