September 21, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode we return to Micah Kickett for his final story of the season. A proud Koori and Noongar man, Micah has already shown us the power of blending sharp wit with deep reflection. Now he takes us somewhere more personal, back to Western Australia and the Mogumber Mission, once known as the Moore River Native Settlement.
It is a place heavy with history and part of the Stolen Generations. Many Aboriginal children were taken here, including Micah’s Uncle Roger. But this story is about more than loss. Walking side by side, Micah and Uncle Roger revisit the mission grounds to uncover the memories and connections that live there. Some are painful, some are tender, and all are told with honesty and heart.
Through their conversation, we see how healing can come from returning to the places that shaped us, and how sharing our stories can reclaim the spaces that once tried to silence them. It is a moving reminder that the past is never just behind us. It lives in the land, the people, and the choices we make today.
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Find And Tell is co-production between BlakCast & iHeart Australia.
Hosted by Mundanara Bayles.
Storytellers are Dobby, Micah Kickett and Aaliyah Jade Bradbury.
Show Producer is Phoebe Adler-Ryan & Aaliyah Jade Bradbury.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of
the lands on which we've recorded this episode, and also
pay respect to the elders and communities of the many
lands where you, our listeners, are joining us. Today we
honor the continuing connection to country, culture and story. Hey there,
(00:25):
I'm Mandanara Bales. Welcome back to find and Tell, where
First Nations voices share stories that connect us to culture,
community and country. Today's theme is the road Less Traveled,
chining a light on journeys that don't always follow the
expected path. You might remember lawyer and comedian Micah Kikett
(00:48):
from episode two are Proud Nunga and Kouri Man wearing
many hats. Well, today he's drawing on his roots as
an indigenous reporter. He's taking us with him to the
mcgumber Mission, once called More River Native Settlement, just north
of Perth. It's a place heavy with history and part
(01:09):
of the Stolen Generations where many Aboriginal kids were forcibly
taken from their families. But for Uncle Roger, a former
Mission kid, this place holds more than sorrow. It holds memories,
connection and a story only he can tell. So are
you ready to buckle up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Let's listen.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I leave here feeling good, and I shouldn't because this
is not a great place. It's over one hundred years
old and the atrocities that happened. But to me, even
with my brother not here, I'm representing MU and I
feel content and I think I did the best I
could as a mission kid.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Magumber Mission, once known as the More River Native Settlement,
was a place of separation, loss and sadness. Between the
nineteen twenties and sixties, many Aboriginal children were taken there,
torn from their families, to be forcibly assimilated into white society.
(02:16):
So when my uncle Rod Detervey, a Nunga man and
former mission kid, told me that he still returns.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
To Mcgumba, I wanted to know why.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Why does he go back to places of suffering and darkness?
Today we're going back to hear he's yarn. When's the
(02:47):
last time that you come out here?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The last time I traveled to Mcgumba was probably about
four years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I thought you said that you come this way often
to make.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
When I worked those to go at least once or
twice a year. But now I don't go as much.
I think. We're here just where this swing is. This
is Water Cottage where me and my brother Sam was
and then there was two houses, one house here and
the next house. They don't exist anymore. And we're coming
(03:24):
to a wide junction road and one leads up to
the dairy where they edged to milk the cows and
go up to the shed where the tank is. And
the other road leads back to Krenia Cottage, which was
just over there, the remnants of it. And we're going
up top on the hill which will give us a
bit of a view over the land and where the
(03:46):
tanks are. And there's also a path leading to the symmetry,
which is about two k's by the road.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
More of a native settlement, was a place many Aboriginal
children were taken to after forcibly being removed from their
loved ones. In the cemetery on the site, close to
four hundred people are buried, and more than half a
kid's Brutal conditions, including disease, malnutrition, and neglect, led to
(04:24):
the deaths of many. Some people called this place a
hell on earth, but for my uncle Roger, it was
a home away from home. I knew he'd come here
as a kid in nineteen seventy two when the More
River settlement had become the Magumber Mission, a former home
to Aboriginal children run by the Methodist Church. Uncle Roger's
(04:50):
dad was part of the Stolen Generations. His mum she
grew up on a mission in Badgling near Quirting, but
after his parents separated, his mum needed somewhere safe for
him and his brothers. That's when my uncle Roger and
his younger brother, uncle Sam, they were brought to that place.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Now there's no one there.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
We drove past run down buildings, peeling pain, rusted wire
until we reached the top of the hill and a small, little,
old wooden church. How does it make you feel sitting
(05:33):
in the church at More of a navy settlement.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's said that it's not maintained. This church has been
around four I don't know. I don't have that age
of it, but me on finding it could have been
looked after a bit better. Even if the other buildings
went to Rack and Roin. This should have been looked
after more becausus the church and was central to the community.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I wanted to know what life was really like at Montgumbar,
so I asked Uncle Roger if he remembered the first
day when he arrived.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It was sometime in March, sunny day, the sun was shining.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was a long.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Trip in the back of the car with my brother.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
We got here before dark.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We pulled in, saw people in the distance, but it
was a bit of scary.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We pulled up at Warritor.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Got out the cottage, mother came over, the reverend introduced us,
grabbed our stuff, and we went into the cottage. Looking
around at the kids. We started smiling, but we were nervous.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We didn't know. We didn't know what.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We were expecting, so we didn't say much until we
got in the cottage and.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Were there other kids here from your mob?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, we had kids from the same town, Killer Baron.
Even there was one or two from the Kimberley's. They
all became our mission brothers and sisters. Some of those
friends still around today. Do you still speak to them?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
On the way here, I was just talking about one
of my mates to his nephew and his cousin. So
I'm still in contact with some of them, And when
I see them it's not only because we're cousin. Brother
were related it's also there my mission brothers or mission sisters.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So when you got here, right, what was everyday life
like for you?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We went to school in the mcgumber town site every day,
but on the weekend, Saturday was free day. You could
visit the other kids in the cottage. We got together,
played cricket. When it was summer, we had to swim,
or we went for a walk down the river, as
long as we were back certain times. And on Sunday
we had to make sure we got up early, got
cleaned up, got in the Sunday best to go to church.
(07:56):
I would say every kid that's been placed in mcgombery
or more of a NATed sentimon have a different concept
of what happened to him, good, bad or ugly.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, I got my head bashed turned with my.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Brother, I got my ears pulled.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I was told to get out and not come back
and locked out from having a meal. We were made
to stay there and tell me and my brother complete
the duty. So you had chores every day, getting chopping wood,
raking around your building, making your bed, tiding your room up,
some things that you left to your mother you had
to do.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Were you allowed to speak language here?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well being in young which you speak young creole, you
were allowed to those days were different than the days before.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And what sort of kid were you like? Were your
cheeky little kid.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Or what I think? Because I was the older brother,
I was the sensible one. My younger brother was a
bit fiery. One day he got a whip and cracking
it and coming around near the cottage, and I sitting him,
put that whip away, miss Dorris will get amy. Yeah, no,
don't tell me I to do Roger. He kept cracking
the whip. She came out and said, what are your
boys doing? Wash up for tea Sam, give me that whip.
(09:06):
So when he gave her the whip, she cracked him
with it, and I said later on in the room,
I said.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
See, I told you, And was he crying around or what?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, he was shocked and stunned that she whacked him
with it, and she threw it away and told him
not to go near it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So did he listen after that or what I think?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
He snacked it and took it to the river, and
so he left it down down the river bank, which
is just on the side of the mission. That I
think him and my cousin Barry would go there then
crack the whip around.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Now, you've obviously come back here before, and you've come
back here quite a few times, even now as an
adult and as an elder.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What brings you back to this place?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Because I like coming here. I know some of the
kids have suffered, and some of the kids are passed on,
and my brother's passed on as well. But I do
get a sense of reflection, I get a sense of
good memory. I leave here feeling yeah good. And I
shouldn't because this is not a great place. It's over
one hundred years old, and the atrocities that happened. But
(10:09):
to me, even with my brother not here, I'm representing
him and I feel content and I think I did
the best I could as a mission kid.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If you could speak to your younger self, the boy
who first came here, what would you say to him?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Now you're still here.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You made it because you're not a statistic, you're not deceased,
you're not being in jail. You've always been positive. And
when I was eleven, I didn't know that. I didn't
know what would happen. I probably didn't think i'd be
around compared to all the other stats of a lot
of people have passed on. That's sad because why they
(10:53):
passed on don't know. Did the health problems, did they
didn't deal with being taken away as a child to
one of these plays. Did they have a lot of
stuff happened to them and kept inside they didn't share.
I don't know the answers. I suppose some of us
are lucky because we still had I still had parents
alive when I was here. Some of the other kids
(11:15):
didn't know who they were. Some of the other kids
parents that were deceased, or they didn't have they didn't
have a sort of a nuclear base. They didn't know
who they were properly. And so I felt better that
I knew that we were only going to be here
for a short time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And is there anything else that you feel that you
want to add?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Any mission? Brothers and sisters out there listening to this podcast,
keep going, keep keep being positive, keep getting help and
support wherever you can. Share your stories and share with
your loved ones, because at the end of the day,
your love runs are traumatized.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
To welcome back, to find and tell Micah Kikett is back.
He's on the road with his uncle Roger heading back
to the mesh.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
On our drive back through the mission, we were met
by a fellow name ruy Lyle. He's that CEO fellow
of you at Aboriginal Corporation, and he's responsible for protecting
places like this, cites that hold deep significance for the
local community. Uncle Roger had mentioned that there were plans
to do that place up, and I'd also seen some
(12:30):
things on Facebook about that too, so I took the
chance to ask Rui what the plans are for m Gumba.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
There's a lot of interest in a healing process for
this place, and we have asked the state government to
fund a healing process similar to the process that was
taking place for wadjum Up. You would are very keen
to lead the way. In the conversation with families of
(12:59):
people who are brought here and some survivors. We understand
that there are a number of people who have been
tired of waiting for the state government and others to
make progress in a healing process for the place, and
so there's been some activity here. It has not been
(13:20):
an authorized activity. It's basically people who have, as I said,
got tired of waiting want to see action happening and
have taken it upon themselves to come here and do work.
And that's not a criticism, it's just the way it's been.
So we're looking forward to working with those people who
(13:40):
have been interested in forming up a museum and other
things to talk about what the future should be and
to make a plan for how to make this into
a place that Nuna people but also family from across
the state feel like it is a positive future and
(14:00):
not just.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The chriest.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Leaving it is quite lonely.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What's her leaving mcgumbers.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I feel more sad leaving than coming because no one's here,
no one's looking after it. I just feel sad that
you feel the sense of the spirit of maybe your
people can before my brother, I just feel a little
bit sad within myself and feel a bit low. It's
(14:40):
like your friend or your family leaving your house, but
me leaving the mission and there's no one there, only
the spirits and the memories of long ago. I'm leaving
a pass or a part of me behind. And every
time you come to mcgumber, I feel it. But it's
been ages and I just see it and I feel
(15:03):
sorry for the place. I don't know why, but I
just do feel a bit low are within myself. Yeah,
I could talk more about the same things together, but
maybe next time.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm glad Uncle Roger took me back to that place
by sharing his story. He's helped me to understand what
it means to be a mission kit and how we
found positive memories and a family of mission brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
In such a sad place.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So I hope those plans to get mcgumber up and
running move ahead, because we need to be able to
keep coming back to remember my uncle Sam and the
mission kids, to honor all the victims of More River settlement.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And the survivors.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I reckon next year, I'll come back with my
Uncle Roger and my sists so we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That, all right. Well, thanks for bringing me out of you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's all right. I hope you sort of learned the
real history and what Montgumma means to me and other survivors.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was Micah Kicktt walking alongside his Uncle Roger. What
really stayed with me was the way Uncle Roger shows
us that healing doesn't always mean leaving things behind. Sometimes
it means going back, sharing your story and standing strong
in who you Are. Our theme today was the Road
(16:54):
Less Traveled, and I reckon Micah and Uncle Roger showed
us just how power that path can be. Next time
on Fine and Tell, you'll hear from Aliah Jade Bradbury,
a deadly Torres Strait Islander storyteller. You might remember she
took home an Emmy in episode three. Well, when you
hear where she comes from, it makes perfect sense. Alia's
(17:18):
next yan is all about legacy and carving out space
between tradition and modern life. It's the perfect start to
our final theme for the season. The next chapter head
follow on your podcast app so you can keep walking
these journeys with us. I'm Ndanara Bales and this is
Find and Tell. Find and Tell is a co production
(17:40):
between iHeart Australia and the black Cast podcast network. Black
Cast empowers First Nations people and people of color to
reclaim their narratives, strength and cultural identity and contribute to
a more inclusive Australia by showcasing exciting emergent talent from
Australian communities.
I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of
the lands on which we've recorded this episode, and also
pay respect to the elders and communities of the many
lands where you, our listeners, are joining us. Today we
honor the continuing connection to country, culture and story. Hey there,
(00:25):
I'm Mandanara Bales. Welcome back to find and Tell, where
First Nations voices share stories that connect us to culture,
community and country. Today's theme is the road Less Traveled,
chining a light on journeys that don't always follow the
expected path. You might remember lawyer and comedian Micah Kikett
(00:48):
from episode two are Proud Nunga and Kouri Man wearing
many hats. Well, today he's drawing on his roots as
an indigenous reporter. He's taking us with him to the
mcgumber Mission, once called More River Native Settlement, just north
of Perth. It's a place heavy with history and part
(01:09):
of the Stolen Generations where many Aboriginal kids were forcibly
taken from their families. But for Uncle Roger, a former
Mission kid, this place holds more than sorrow. It holds memories,
connection and a story only he can tell. So are
you ready to buckle up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Let's listen.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I leave here feeling good, and I shouldn't because this
is not a great place. It's over one hundred years
old and the atrocities that happened. But to me, even
with my brother not here, I'm representing MU and I
feel content and I think I did the best I
could as a mission kid.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Magumber Mission, once known as the More River Native Settlement,
was a place of separation, loss and sadness. Between the
nineteen twenties and sixties, many Aboriginal children were taken there,
torn from their families, to be forcibly assimilated into white society.
(02:16):
So when my uncle Rod Detervey, a Nunga man and
former mission kid, told me that he still returns.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
To Mcgumba, I wanted to know why.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Why does he go back to places of suffering and darkness?
Today we're going back to hear he's yarn. When's the
(02:47):
last time that you come out here?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The last time I traveled to Mcgumba was probably about
four years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I thought you said that you come this way often
to make.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
When I worked those to go at least once or
twice a year. But now I don't go as much.
I think. We're here just where this swing is. This
is Water Cottage where me and my brother Sam was
and then there was two houses, one house here and
the next house. They don't exist anymore. And we're coming
(03:24):
to a wide junction road and one leads up to
the dairy where they edged to milk the cows and
go up to the shed where the tank is. And
the other road leads back to Krenia Cottage, which was
just over there, the remnants of it. And we're going
up top on the hill which will give us a
bit of a view over the land and where the
(03:46):
tanks are. And there's also a path leading to the symmetry,
which is about two k's by the road.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
More of a native settlement, was a place many Aboriginal
children were taken to after forcibly being removed from their
loved ones. In the cemetery on the site, close to
four hundred people are buried, and more than half a
kid's Brutal conditions, including disease, malnutrition, and neglect, led to
(04:24):
the deaths of many. Some people called this place a
hell on earth, but for my uncle Roger, it was
a home away from home. I knew he'd come here
as a kid in nineteen seventy two when the More
River settlement had become the Magumber Mission, a former home
to Aboriginal children run by the Methodist Church. Uncle Roger's
(04:50):
dad was part of the Stolen Generations. His mum she
grew up on a mission in Badgling near Quirting, but
after his parents separated, his mum needed somewhere safe for
him and his brothers. That's when my uncle Roger and
his younger brother, uncle Sam, they were brought to that place.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Now there's no one there.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
We drove past run down buildings, peeling pain, rusted wire
until we reached the top of the hill and a small, little,
old wooden church. How does it make you feel sitting
(05:33):
in the church at More of a navy settlement.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's said that it's not maintained. This church has been
around four I don't know. I don't have that age
of it, but me on finding it could have been
looked after a bit better. Even if the other buildings
went to Rack and Roin. This should have been looked
after more becausus the church and was central to the community.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I wanted to know what life was really like at Montgumbar,
so I asked Uncle Roger if he remembered the first
day when he arrived.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It was sometime in March, sunny day, the sun was shining.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It was a long.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Trip in the back of the car with my brother.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
We got here before dark.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
We pulled in, saw people in the distance, but it
was a bit of scary.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We pulled up at Warritor.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Got out the cottage, mother came over, the reverend introduced us,
grabbed our stuff, and we went into the cottage. Looking
around at the kids. We started smiling, but we were nervous.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
We didn't know. We didn't know what.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
We were expecting, so we didn't say much until we
got in the cottage and.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Were there other kids here from your mob?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, we had kids from the same town, Killer Baron.
Even there was one or two from the Kimberley's. They
all became our mission brothers and sisters. Some of those
friends still around today. Do you still speak to them?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
On the way here, I was just talking about one
of my mates to his nephew and his cousin. So
I'm still in contact with some of them, And when
I see them it's not only because we're cousin. Brother
were related it's also there my mission brothers or mission sisters.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So when you got here, right, what was everyday life
like for you?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
We went to school in the mcgumber town site every day,
but on the weekend, Saturday was free day. You could
visit the other kids in the cottage. We got together,
played cricket. When it was summer, we had to swim,
or we went for a walk down the river, as
long as we were back certain times. And on Sunday
we had to make sure we got up early, got
cleaned up, got in the Sunday best to go to church.
(07:56):
I would say every kid that's been placed in mcgombery
or more of a NATed sentimon have a different concept
of what happened to him, good, bad or ugly.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
You know, I got my head bashed turned with my.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Brother, I got my ears pulled.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I was told to get out and not come back
and locked out from having a meal. We were made
to stay there and tell me and my brother complete
the duty. So you had chores every day, getting chopping wood,
raking around your building, making your bed, tiding your room up,
some things that you left to your mother you had
to do.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Were you allowed to speak language here?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Well being in young which you speak young creole, you
were allowed to those days were different than the days before.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And what sort of kid were you like? Were your
cheeky little kid.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Or what I think? Because I was the older brother,
I was the sensible one. My younger brother was a
bit fiery. One day he got a whip and cracking
it and coming around near the cottage, and I sitting him,
put that whip away, miss Dorris will get amy. Yeah, no,
don't tell me I to do Roger. He kept cracking
the whip. She came out and said, what are your
boys doing? Wash up for tea Sam, give me that whip.
(09:06):
So when he gave her the whip, she cracked him
with it, and I said later on in the room,
I said.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
See, I told you, And was he crying around or what?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, he was shocked and stunned that she whacked him
with it, and she threw it away and told him
not to go near it.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So did he listen after that or what I think?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
He snacked it and took it to the river, and
so he left it down down the river bank, which
is just on the side of the mission. That I
think him and my cousin Barry would go there then
crack the whip around.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Now, you've obviously come back here before, and you've come
back here quite a few times, even now as an
adult and as an elder.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
What brings you back to this place?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Because I like coming here. I know some of the
kids have suffered, and some of the kids are passed on,
and my brother's passed on as well. But I do
get a sense of reflection, I get a sense of
good memory. I leave here feeling yeah good. And I
shouldn't because this is not a great place. It's over
one hundred years old, and the atrocities that happened. But
(10:09):
to me, even with my brother not here, I'm representing
him and I feel content and I think I did
the best I could as a mission kid.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
If you could speak to your younger self, the boy
who first came here, what would you say to him?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Now you're still here.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
You made it because you're not a statistic, you're not deceased,
you're not being in jail. You've always been positive. And
when I was eleven, I didn't know that. I didn't
know what would happen. I probably didn't think i'd be
around compared to all the other stats of a lot
of people have passed on. That's sad because why they
(10:53):
passed on don't know. Did the health problems, did they
didn't deal with being taken away as a child to
one of these plays. Did they have a lot of
stuff happened to them and kept inside they didn't share.
I don't know the answers. I suppose some of us
are lucky because we still had I still had parents
alive when I was here. Some of the other kids
(11:15):
didn't know who they were. Some of the other kids
parents that were deceased, or they didn't have they didn't
have a sort of a nuclear base. They didn't know
who they were properly. And so I felt better that
I knew that we were only going to be here
for a short time.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
And is there anything else that you feel that you
want to add?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Any mission? Brothers and sisters out there listening to this podcast,
keep going, keep keep being positive, keep getting help and
support wherever you can. Share your stories and share with
your loved ones, because at the end of the day,
your love runs are traumatized.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
To welcome back, to find and tell Micah Kikett is back.
He's on the road with his uncle Roger heading back
to the mesh.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
On our drive back through the mission, we were met
by a fellow name ruy Lyle. He's that CEO fellow
of you at Aboriginal Corporation, and he's responsible for protecting
places like this, cites that hold deep significance for the
local community. Uncle Roger had mentioned that there were plans
to do that place up, and I'd also seen some
(12:30):
things on Facebook about that too, so I took the
chance to ask Rui what the plans are for m Gumba.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
There's a lot of interest in a healing process for
this place, and we have asked the state government to
fund a healing process similar to the process that was
taking place for wadjum Up. You would are very keen
to lead the way. In the conversation with families of
(12:59):
people who are brought here and some survivors. We understand
that there are a number of people who have been
tired of waiting for the state government and others to
make progress in a healing process for the place, and
so there's been some activity here. It has not been
(13:20):
an authorized activity. It's basically people who have, as I said,
got tired of waiting want to see action happening and
have taken it upon themselves to come here and do work.
And that's not a criticism, it's just the way it's been.
So we're looking forward to working with those people who
(13:40):
have been interested in forming up a museum and other
things to talk about what the future should be and
to make a plan for how to make this into
a place that Nuna people but also family from across
the state feel like it is a positive future and
(14:00):
not just.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
The chriest.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Leaving it is quite lonely.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
What's her leaving mcgumbers.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I feel more sad leaving than coming because no one's here,
no one's looking after it. I just feel sad that
you feel the sense of the spirit of maybe your
people can before my brother, I just feel a little
bit sad within myself and feel a bit low. It's
(14:40):
like your friend or your family leaving your house, but
me leaving the mission and there's no one there, only
the spirits and the memories of long ago. I'm leaving
a pass or a part of me behind. And every
time you come to mcgumber, I feel it. But it's
been ages and I just see it and I feel
(15:03):
sorry for the place. I don't know why, but I
just do feel a bit low are within myself. Yeah,
I could talk more about the same things together, but
maybe next time.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm glad Uncle Roger took me back to that place
by sharing his story. He's helped me to understand what
it means to be a mission kit and how we
found positive memories and a family of mission brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
In such a sad place.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So I hope those plans to get mcgumber up and
running move ahead, because we need to be able to
keep coming back to remember my uncle Sam and the
mission kids, to honor all the victims of More River settlement.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
And the survivors.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
And I reckon next year, I'll come back with my
Uncle Roger and my sists so we can do.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
That, all right. Well, thanks for bringing me out of you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
That's all right. I hope you sort of learned the
real history and what Montgumma means to me and other survivors.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That was Micah Kicktt walking alongside his Uncle Roger. What
really stayed with me was the way Uncle Roger shows
us that healing doesn't always mean leaving things behind. Sometimes
it means going back, sharing your story and standing strong
in who you Are. Our theme today was the Road
(16:54):
Less Traveled, and I reckon Micah and Uncle Roger showed
us just how power that path can be. Next time
on Fine and Tell, you'll hear from Aliah Jade Bradbury,
a deadly Torres Strait Islander storyteller. You might remember she
took home an Emmy in episode three. Well, when you
hear where she comes from, it makes perfect sense. Alia's
(17:18):
next yan is all about legacy and carving out space
between tradition and modern life. It's the perfect start to
our final theme for the season. The next chapter head
follow on your podcast app so you can keep walking
these journeys with us. I'm Ndanara Bales and this is
Find and Tell. Find and Tell is a co production
(17:40):
between iHeart Australia and the black Cast podcast network. Black
Cast empowers First Nations people and people of color to
reclaim their narratives, strength and cultural identity and contribute to
a more inclusive Australia by showcasing exciting emergent talent from
Australian communities.
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