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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
and Frooms catch up podcast. Oh my god, guys. On Monday,
we have an announcement that you must tune into. This
is very important for all the stakeholders involved with the
lexin rooms alectually mark my words, guys. Also today we
chatted about how creative you are. Flexi has some wisdom
(00:24):
and some like new categories that she didn't come up with,
but she references if you want to try and figure
out where you are in your creative spectrum and also
are we smarter than a twelfth grader? We're going to
do a test from the BISMAN exam. Neither rustied business management.
Bit of a regret they're doing theater studies, but it
is what it is. Let's go frumno through me, boommmy
(00:46):
lex Mom. You're listening to Flex and Frooms. I'm Kaita.
A friend of mine recently got into Pilate's right. She
started wearing lenkings to the gym and she asked me, what, honey,
so I wear on the leggings And for her, I
want to give her a bit of a step by
zep on what undies are appropriate in every phase of life.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm confused at the question.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
She's like, what, honeyes I wear under leggings that you're
not going to see because she's like, I'm walking around
Bondi to Bronti and I see no undilines on the leggings.
What's everon wearing? Are they not wearing undies? Okay, to
which I say, a little cotton in a moment, seamless underwear.
They're praying at the sides, and yet they look fantastic. Okay,
this is my guide to when and when not to
(01:29):
wear underwear. Oh, under a skirt, no undies, under baggy
cargo pants? What kind of skirt? Any skirt? I love
Not wearing undies number two cargo pants with a wide leg.
No undies.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You're putting polyester straight on coach, is it not? Let
me not judge. It's not the Hygiene Olympics, but.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Better than having polyester right up on the goop.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Why are you wearing polyester underwear?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, because it looks good. Okay, Definitely wear undys to bed,
the tight ones the boy leg. I want to eat
in bed, stuck it all in. I like to feel
secure in bed. Anyone know wering undis to bed. What
is happening under there? It all feels like it's moving.
(02:22):
I don't want to get graphic, guys, but like I
like them to. You know, Okay, what do you think
undies are fall While they have all different purposes?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
What is the function of underwear?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That is the question that's as old as time itself.
For me, the function of underwear is to feel safe,
and to make the cuchie not rub on the jeans,
and to make sure when you're wearing shorts the short
scene doesn't ride up from front to back a a
little padding. Undeas are to be taken off. There's so
(02:56):
many good things about undies. I love the feeling of
not having undies on.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I told my mum.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
She's like, what what do you mean? You don't undy?
She was disgusted.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
What about you? This is freaky.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm wearing undies right now.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Everybody, every like, everybody get in the rome is freaking out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
This is all joke.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is all joke, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, if you're gonna stand around and say that freeballing
isn't amazing, you're a liar.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Free balling.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Free balling? Yeah, why can't I freeball? Hate wedgies? You
know I used to get wedgie in primary school. Okay,
so there's a bit of residual trauma there. My sister
used to rip my undy so hard that they would
rip in my asshole. The band would rip off, the bonds,
band would rip apart. Once my sister drew two eyes
above my bum crack and a smile, right, and then
(03:47):
went to school the next day and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was wearing low rise jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I didn't realize everyone could see their eyes. It was
two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I was like, what's on your back? What? Oh my god,
too little us.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If you are someone who identifies as creative or prefers
not to for fear that someone will try and make
you calculate how creative you are, or measure you against
your best creative friend, or compare you against the virtuo.
So this is for you. It's really hard to be
self aware about your creative abilities. But here's something that
can help you get back on track. Maybe it's from
(04:26):
this book called one hundred and seventy seven Mental Toughness
Secrets of.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The World Class.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's about the thought processes, the habits and philosophies of
the greatest ones. It's by Steve Sebold Sie Bold. But
this is also reference on a TikTok by Couture and steal.
So basically there are five tiers of creativity, kind of
like the food pyramid, how you've got the most populated
at the bottom, and then at the very tip it's
(04:51):
the least populated. So the most populated people would be
those who are creating not to lose. The people who
feel as though if they start, they'll fail because they
won't be exceptional straight away. The kind of people who'll say,
you know, I'm not good enough, I'll start tomorrow, or
has so many potentially great ideas but just doesn't execute
on them. So they're kind of just like I think,
(05:12):
it's a lot of people who are like, you know what,
I could in a different life, or I could, but
I couldn't make that tea took one hundred percent one
hundred percent okay, and then the next up. So the
second least populated is people who are creating to cruise.
And I felt like this Sometimes it's when you get
kind of like inconsistent with your output. You start something,
(05:33):
you don't get the validation you're hoping for, and so
it makes you question whether or not you want to
continue doing it, and so other ideas I've just pushed through.
Like I remember when I first made up my conversation
card games like twenty nineteen, and like the only reason
why I popped off immediately is because for the two
years prior, I'd been playing the game every day on
Instagram before I even realized it was going to be
a game.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Interesting, So it was like, oh, that's I was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I was doing it. I didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And so when I have new ideas that I want
to execute, sometimes I'm like, babes, it takes a minute
for things to really hit, you know what I mean.
And then the next tier is people who are creating
to improve. These are inspired people who maybe have like
a belief altering event. You listen to an album that
really changes your life, like, no, I'm going to do
it today. I'm going to make something. Or you read
a really amazing book You're like, you know what, that's it.
(06:20):
I'm going to write this book. I'm going to do
this thing. You feel empowered based on something else that
you've consumed. And this is people in this kind of
phase of creativity get a lot of support and a
lot of traction, and that motivates them to keep on continuing.
So it's like when we get really good feedback for
the show, like damn, like we.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Really do do that, Let's keep going.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Then you have the two tiers, which I just feel
like these are exceptional people, and I think most of
us are hoping to get to this peak eventually.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So you got people who are creating to complete.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And these are just the creative geniuses, big ego type
people that think they can be the best. They're really
motivated by gratification. They've got positive self talk. You see
those people who are always cooking. I don't know about you,
but I've seen some people on the internet where I'm like, damn,
you just don't let up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Every day you.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Are making the thing that you are inspired by. You're
putting in the work. You're really inspired. And it's almost
as if like they don't really care if they have
an audience.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They just know that they're good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
They just know it interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And then you have the very top tier of creativity,
the most like peak God Tear, and those are people
creating to express. So if the bottom tier is people
creating not to lose, these people are creating to express,
so they become art in themselves. They believe they can't fail,
they can only learn, they can only grow, They're only
(07:44):
competing with themselves, and they've got complete faith in their
self image. For me, for you personally, in where you
are in your life at this very present moment, what's
your relationship to creativity? Do you feel like you're a
creative person? How does that work for you? Beautiful?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, right now I'm creating artwork on the back of
our sheets. If you hear little scribbling noises throughout our
recordings is because I literally am incapable of not drawing
when we're here. I've done a whole bunch of overlapping
hearts and that really good drawing now and like drawing
the bits. Yeah, thanks queen.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it's the introduction of the color. Is working really
well for you?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes. So I've always been a drawer since I was
a little kid. I would just go into my room
and draw for my relatives that came over, and gave
them presents of drawings.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So I would say I've.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Always been like a very what's it called, like making
things creative, lots of drawing and writing and expressing myself.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's what you call consistency.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
There was some consistency there because I really enjoyed it.
So I think for the first kind of a few
years of my life, it was very much the top tier.
I'm not gonna lie. It was giving incredible school projects
that would really blow the socks off the teachers and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh you're one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, an amazing person to be Early on, I could
never fathom when I saw these really creative people who
really put everything, not even putting everything into it, but
definitely weren't cruising. Definitely were And I don't even know
if I observe these people to be talented or just committed.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, you had to see my year five projects. I
literally go back and I'm I'm astounded. I peaked, you
know how, Like, Okay, so withdrawing, you have to keep
practicing to actually get good, Whereas there's a point when
like you're all in year five and so you can
only be so good. Yeah, I must say, oh it
was the best.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Thing costs. And I will say, in my early twenties,
I think I was operating on the highest field, which
is just literally creating stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That I liked.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, it's beautiful when you do that. It was such
such a beautiful time.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I don't know if it was the same for you,
but the time where audience feedback felt incidental.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, literally see it, don't see it?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I like it? Yeah, I like it. Nothing is better
than that. And I'm always trying to get back to
that from phase because it's when you create the best stuff.
And it's also when if you create something like that
and a fobbs you honestly do not give a rats.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Ask, doesn't hear you? Like whatever, I make something you
right now?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, Whereas now you make something that you're not one
hundred percent keen on me because the you know, some
realities have set in and and it really hurts your feelings.
So I'd say sometimes I am operating from the lowest
level purely because it's my job now. So you know,
it's easy to feel like you've had a lot to
lose and you have to like keep up a rats race.
But I try and not let myself create from that
(10:14):
place because that's when it becomes unfun, and I think
that's where burnout happens. Of course that's easier so than none.
Sometimes you just have to pull your socks up. But
I think especially with like comedy or trying to be
funny and stuff. You have to actually be enjoying yourself
for it to be to come across as like genuine
and actually funny.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What about you, babe? I feel it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I feel like what I'm doing now is I'm trying
to recycle or get rid of anything that I'm doing
that's in that creating to not lose space or creating
to cruise because we don't have to create realistically, we
don't have to do all the things that we do.
There are key elements of our jobs that are definitely
non negotiable. But I think I personally spend a lot
(10:58):
of time doing things I don't do that I wrote
it my creativity, So it's like re rejigging that focus
and being like, Okay, just do what is inspiring to you.
Just do that because realistically, and it's been proven time
and time again, that eats.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It eats.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That stuff eats and it feels good when it's like
you said, I don't think we can tap back into
what it is to be twenty and having all this
like huboric and confidence or whatever, but we can definitely
tap into the feeling of creating from a more pure
place that's for or a more like egocentric place, really
(11:34):
like making for you, not for the imaginary spectator who
might see it and might like it, but you being like,
oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I want to watch it again and again and again,
and yes, I will watch it again and again.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
This is really amazing. So to reiterate, the book that
we reference is one hundred and seventy seven Mental Toughness
Secrets of the World Class and this was also referenced
by TikTok creator Coture and Steal.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
You're listening to Flex and Rooms friendship Situationship Off the Dome.
Does that say anything to us? I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But I've been thinking about how I've been reading Giang
Yankovic's book called Just Friend Too, and she talks a
lot about the formative friendships that she's created in her
lifestyle and how over the course of her journalistic career
or writing careers, You've spoken a lot about the way
that friendships have impacted her. And I've been thinking about
(12:28):
how I am a big fan of the acquaintanceship m H.
I think that it is sacred in nature. It is
I think the purest form of friendship transaction. No, you
can dip in and dip out of a dynamic and
nobody's feeling hard done by it. You know, those people
like party friends are a great example. No party friends,
she's checking for you mad because you didn't check it
(12:49):
on the weekend, or that you haven't seen each other
in three months because they've been no parties.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They just kind of get what the dynamic is. But
I feel as though when there's a bit of.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A gray area and you can't assign a friend to
an environment like a workplace friend or a party friend,
people don't like the gray area. It makes them feel
uncomfortable or they want to try and yeah, what are
we what is this?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What are we doing? So they want to try and
escalate it really like really quickly, or they pull back
out of insecurity.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I was like, yeah, what happens when you are
in that grey area of acquaintance to potentially good friend?
Because I've been thinking a lot about get really like
building acquaintanceships and doing that in a way that's not
leaving someone high and dry. I feel like you're good
at that, but I want to be better at it
(13:37):
because and I feel like what ends up happening for
me is that I end up making acquaintanceships that escalate
into more And I think that's because it's just like
the nature of like the subject matters and the conversations
and how a lot of the friends that I have
are interconnected, So like I might have an acquaintance with
through me whose froom is really really close friend, and
(13:57):
I'm like, I don't want to be their really close friend.
I like being through me's friend and their acquaintance. But
when you start to like mix it up, it's kind
of like, let's just copy and paste, copy and paste,
Like no, no, no, no, no, no, orry, I don't
want to I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Copy and paste. I just want to keep this in
its own little space for me.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And I'm kind of reckoning with this idea of like
what about when you have incompatible friendship needs with someone?
So what if I'm in a period of wanting acquaintanceships
and I'm dealing with people who want real best friendships.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
How do you temper the expectations.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't think you do.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think people just don't get their needs met and
they're kind of like, oh, I don't like the way
this friendship's playing out.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh some un comfyed is it is really See, I
feel like with our job you get the chance to
meet a lot of different people, but yeah, it's harder
to have the incidental Well it isn't It isn't like
it's easy to go to events and see people, but
like you miss the opportunity to in a really low
stakes way create the hours.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, a little chat.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And because of the industries that we work in, where
they hyper personalized and hyper social, I think that we're
all impacted by parasocial relationships. Like in our industry, acquaintanceships
feel closer or they appear closer because of the industries
that we're in as well.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So I'll have people.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Assume that I'm really close with someone who's an acquaintance
of Frou and I professional acquaintance, And then it feels
strange that to say in plain English, oh no, we're
not friends.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Because I'm shading.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's such a mean thing to say. I don't really
know them like that. I don't really know them like that.
I'm just I'm a fan. I'm a fan of comment fan.
I don't know. It's something to ponder.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Let's figure out some more terms for friendships because they
are as complex, if not more complex than romantic relationships,
and I don't think we're doing them justice in the
way that we discuss them. It's very binary, like what
to do when you want to make friends, what do
you want to do when you want to break up
with a friend, and nothing in between.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Literally, we are currently on the quest to become smarter
than literal school children. We've been doing the HSC exams,
including maths and food tech. That was last week and
the year before, sorry, the week before. My god, I
feel like since I left school, I can't imagine going
back for a whole day and learning the whole day, Like,
how did we do that?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't think we did.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We didn't, but I love we were there play lunch.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
She definitely were there. But I think high school dynamics,
mirror's office dynamics. Everyone just hanging out and like doing
incidental learning and working in between hanging out.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
God, okay, time to work, all right, absolute heaven?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Look okay, Mickey sprinted out the bis Man exam Business Management.
I didn't do it in school, did you flex?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I did not know?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Did you do it? Bis Man couldn't even pay me?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But if I went back, I would I'd study business, economics, history,
none of.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
These fun subjects. I was like, I'm going to do
I'm going to do design. I'm going to do would work.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Everyone's like, you should have done drama. People who meet
me now that you didn't do drama. I was like, what, No,
I don't see you doing drama, not at all. Anyway,
take school seriously, people.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I say redacted. Okay, so we have the bis Man exam.
Let's start with question one? What method of communication would
be most efficient for a business to share a weekly
staff meeting agenda? Email, letter, mammoridium or noticeboard? Come on, guys,
eat an email that's correct, but.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Bring back a noticeboard because I feel as though give
people agency and seeking out information.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay. Two? What type of question is most effective when
trying to obtain more information from a customer about their needs?
Closed communication? Oh, a close question, open question or reflect
question or repeated question. It's be open question and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I think it's a reflective question though if you really
think about it, Like, not business from a HC perspective,
but like, here's an open question for me.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What do you what do you eat for?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What did you eat for breakfast today? A smoothie exactly.
That's an open question. If I was starting a business
about smoothies, A reflective question is what do you hate
most about making smoothies every day? That would teach me
way more about your relationship to smoothies and the fact
that you had a smoothie.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So is it education the curriculum?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is it open or reflective? B?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
ORC? They say open, but I say they're lying.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay, I'm correct. Three What category of sign has a
yellow background and a black triangle around the symbol? A emergency,
B mandatory, C prohibition.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And D warning warning warning.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I would potentially go with emergency, but it's warning. And
number four the final one. We've got a clean streak here, girls.
Which of the following would create the most environmentally sustainable workplace?
A using sensor lights, B adopting a green office program,
C establishing a recycling paper program, D encouraging staff to
use their own cups.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What's a green office program? Yeah, that sounds kind of good.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think if I had to lock in B, I
want to say A because I think that would actually
make the most of the difference. But let's go with B.
What hell is a green office system?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I guess that's it, like the whole, everything from the
top to the bottom, from stationery to center lights to
water consumption.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Get it together, folks.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
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Flex and Frooms Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
and Frooms catch up podcast. Oh my god, guys. On Monday,
we have an announcement that you must tune into. This
is very important for all the stakeholders involved with the
lexin rooms alectually mark my words, guys. Also today we
chatted about how creative you are. Flexi has some wisdom
(00:24):
and some like new categories that she didn't come up with,
but she references if you want to try and figure
out where you are in your creative spectrum and also
are we smarter than a twelfth grader? We're going to
do a test from the BISMAN exam. Neither rustied business management.
Bit of a regret they're doing theater studies, but it
is what it is. Let's go frumno through me, boommmy
(00:46):
lex Mom. You're listening to Flex and Frooms. I'm Kaita.
A friend of mine recently got into Pilate's right. She
started wearing lenkings to the gym and she asked me, what, honey,
so I wear on the leggings And for her, I
want to give her a bit of a step by
zep on what undies are appropriate in every phase of life.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm confused at the question.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
She's like, what, honeyes I wear under leggings that you're
not going to see because she's like, I'm walking around
Bondi to Bronti and I see no undilines on the leggings.
What's everon wearing? Are they not wearing undies? Okay, to
which I say, a little cotton in a moment, seamless underwear.
They're praying at the sides, and yet they look fantastic. Okay,
this is my guide to when and when not to
(01:29):
wear underwear. Oh, under a skirt, no undies, under baggy
cargo pants? What kind of skirt? Any skirt? I love
Not wearing undies number two cargo pants with a wide leg.
No undies.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
You're putting polyester straight on coach, is it not? Let
me not judge. It's not the Hygiene Olympics, but.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Better than having polyester right up on the goop.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Why are you wearing polyester underwear?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, because it looks good. Okay, Definitely wear undys to bed,
the tight ones the boy leg. I want to eat
in bed, stuck it all in. I like to feel
secure in bed. Anyone know wering undis to bed. What
is happening under there? It all feels like it's moving.
(02:22):
I don't want to get graphic, guys, but like I
like them to. You know, Okay, what do you think
undies are fall While they have all different purposes?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
What is the function of underwear?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That is the question that's as old as time itself.
For me, the function of underwear is to feel safe,
and to make the cuchie not rub on the jeans,
and to make sure when you're wearing shorts the short
scene doesn't ride up from front to back a a
little padding. Undeas are to be taken off. There's so
(02:56):
many good things about undies. I love the feeling of
not having undies on.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I told my mum.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
She's like, what what do you mean? You don't undy?
She was disgusted.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
What about you? This is freaky.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I'm wearing undies right now.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Everybody, every like, everybody get in the rome is freaking out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
This is all joke.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is all joke, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, if you're gonna stand around and say that freeballing
isn't amazing, you're a liar.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Free balling.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Free balling? Yeah, why can't I freeball? Hate wedgies? You
know I used to get wedgie in primary school. Okay,
so there's a bit of residual trauma there. My sister
used to rip my undy so hard that they would
rip in my asshole. The band would rip off, the bonds,
band would rip apart. Once my sister drew two eyes
above my bum crack and a smile, right, and then
(03:47):
went to school the next day and.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I was wearing low rise jeans.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I didn't realize everyone could see their eyes. It was
two thousand and four.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I was like, what's on your back? What? Oh my god,
too little us.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
If you are someone who identifies as creative or prefers
not to for fear that someone will try and make
you calculate how creative you are, or measure you against
your best creative friend, or compare you against the virtuo.
So this is for you. It's really hard to be
self aware about your creative abilities. But here's something that
can help you get back on track. Maybe it's from
(04:26):
this book called one hundred and seventy seven Mental Toughness
Secrets of.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
The World Class.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's about the thought processes, the habits and philosophies of
the greatest ones. It's by Steve Sebold Sie Bold. But
this is also reference on a TikTok by Couture and steal.
So basically there are five tiers of creativity, kind of
like the food pyramid, how you've got the most populated
at the bottom, and then at the very tip it's
(04:51):
the least populated. So the most populated people would be
those who are creating not to lose. The people who
feel as though if they start, they'll fail because they
won't be exceptional straight away. The kind of people who'll say,
you know, I'm not good enough, I'll start tomorrow, or
has so many potentially great ideas but just doesn't execute
on them. So they're kind of just like I think,
(05:12):
it's a lot of people who are like, you know what,
I could in a different life, or I could, but
I couldn't make that tea took one hundred percent one
hundred percent okay, and then the next up. So the
second least populated is people who are creating to cruise.
And I felt like this Sometimes it's when you get
kind of like inconsistent with your output. You start something,
(05:33):
you don't get the validation you're hoping for, and so
it makes you question whether or not you want to
continue doing it, and so other ideas I've just pushed through.
Like I remember when I first made up my conversation
card games like twenty nineteen, and like the only reason
why I popped off immediately is because for the two
years prior, I'd been playing the game every day on
Instagram before I even realized it was going to be
a game.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Interesting, So it was like, oh, that's I was.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I was doing it. I didn't realize.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And so when I have new ideas that I want
to execute, sometimes I'm like, babes, it takes a minute
for things to really hit, you know what I mean.
And then the next tier is people who are creating
to improve. These are inspired people who maybe have like
a belief altering event. You listen to an album that
really changes your life, like, no, I'm going to do
it today. I'm going to make something. Or you read
a really amazing book You're like, you know what, that's it.
(06:20):
I'm going to write this book. I'm going to do
this thing. You feel empowered based on something else that
you've consumed. And this is people in this kind of
phase of creativity get a lot of support and a
lot of traction, and that motivates them to keep on continuing.
So it's like when we get really good feedback for
the show, like damn, like we.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Really do do that, Let's keep going.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Then you have the two tiers, which I just feel
like these are exceptional people, and I think most of
us are hoping to get to this peak eventually.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
So you got people who are creating to complete.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And these are just the creative geniuses, big ego type
people that think they can be the best. They're really
motivated by gratification. They've got positive self talk. You see
those people who are always cooking. I don't know about you,
but I've seen some people on the internet where I'm like, damn,
you just don't let up.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Every day you.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Are making the thing that you are inspired by. You're
putting in the work. You're really inspired. And it's almost
as if like they don't really care if they have
an audience.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
They just know that they're good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
They just know it interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And then you have the very top tier of creativity,
the most like peak God Tear, and those are people
creating to express. So if the bottom tier is people
creating not to lose, these people are creating to express,
so they become art in themselves. They believe they can't fail,
they can only learn, they can only grow, They're only
(07:44):
competing with themselves, and they've got complete faith in their
self image. For me, for you personally, in where you
are in your life at this very present moment, what's
your relationship to creativity? Do you feel like you're a
creative person? How does that work for you? Beautiful?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, right now I'm creating artwork on the back of
our sheets. If you hear little scribbling noises throughout our
recordings is because I literally am incapable of not drawing
when we're here. I've done a whole bunch of overlapping
hearts and that really good drawing now and like drawing
the bits. Yeah, thanks queen.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it's the introduction of the color. Is working really
well for you?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yes. So I've always been a drawer since I was
a little kid. I would just go into my room
and draw for my relatives that came over, and gave
them presents of drawings.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So I would say I've.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Always been like a very what's it called, like making
things creative, lots of drawing and writing and expressing myself.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's what you call consistency.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
There was some consistency there because I really enjoyed it.
So I think for the first kind of a few
years of my life, it was very much the top tier.
I'm not gonna lie. It was giving incredible school projects
that would really blow the socks off the teachers and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh you're one of those.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, an amazing person to be Early on, I could
never fathom when I saw these really creative people who
really put everything, not even putting everything into it, but
definitely weren't cruising. Definitely were And I don't even know
if I observe these people to be talented or just committed.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, you had to see my year five projects. I
literally go back and I'm I'm astounded. I peaked, you
know how, Like, Okay, so withdrawing, you have to keep
practicing to actually get good, Whereas there's a point when
like you're all in year five and so you can
only be so good. Yeah, I must say, oh it
was the best.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That's the best.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Thing costs. And I will say, in my early twenties,
I think I was operating on the highest field, which
is just literally creating stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
That I liked.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, it's beautiful when you do that. It was such
such a beautiful time.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
I don't know if it was the same for you,
but the time where audience feedback felt incidental.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, literally see it, don't see it?
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I like it? Yeah, I like it. Nothing is better
than that. And I'm always trying to get back to
that from phase because it's when you create the best stuff.
And it's also when if you create something like that
and a fobbs you honestly do not give a rats.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Ask, doesn't hear you? Like whatever, I make something you
right now?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, Whereas now you make something that you're not one
hundred percent keen on me because the you know, some
realities have set in and and it really hurts your feelings.
So I'd say sometimes I am operating from the lowest
level purely because it's my job now. So you know,
it's easy to feel like you've had a lot to
lose and you have to like keep up a rats race.
But I try and not let myself create from that
(10:14):
place because that's when it becomes unfun, and I think
that's where burnout happens. Of course that's easier so than none.
Sometimes you just have to pull your socks up. But
I think especially with like comedy or trying to be
funny and stuff. You have to actually be enjoying yourself
for it to be to come across as like genuine
and actually funny.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What about you, babe? I feel it.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I feel like what I'm doing now is I'm trying
to recycle or get rid of anything that I'm doing
that's in that creating to not lose space or creating
to cruise because we don't have to create realistically, we
don't have to do all the things that we do.
There are key elements of our jobs that are definitely
non negotiable. But I think I personally spend a lot
(10:58):
of time doing things I don't do that I wrote
it my creativity, So it's like re rejigging that focus
and being like, Okay, just do what is inspiring to you.
Just do that because realistically, and it's been proven time
and time again, that eats.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It eats.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
That stuff eats and it feels good when it's like
you said, I don't think we can tap back into
what it is to be twenty and having all this
like huboric and confidence or whatever, but we can definitely
tap into the feeling of creating from a more pure
place that's for or a more like egocentric place, really
(11:34):
like making for you, not for the imaginary spectator who
might see it and might like it, but you being like,
oh I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I want to watch it again and again and again,
and yes, I will watch it again and again.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
This is really amazing. So to reiterate, the book that
we reference is one hundred and seventy seven Mental Toughness
Secrets of the World Class and this was also referenced
by TikTok creator Coture and Steal.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
You're listening to Flex and Rooms friendship Situationship Off the Dome.
Does that say anything to us? I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But I've been thinking about how I've been reading Giang
Yankovic's book called Just Friend Too, and she talks a
lot about the formative friendships that she's created in her
lifestyle and how over the course of her journalistic career
or writing careers, You've spoken a lot about the way
that friendships have impacted her. And I've been thinking about
(12:28):
how I am a big fan of the acquaintanceship m H.
I think that it is sacred in nature. It is
I think the purest form of friendship transaction. No, you
can dip in and dip out of a dynamic and
nobody's feeling hard done by it. You know, those people
like party friends are a great example. No party friends,
she's checking for you mad because you didn't check it
(12:49):
on the weekend, or that you haven't seen each other
in three months because they've been no parties.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
They just kind of get what the dynamic is. But
I feel as though when there's a bit of.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
A gray area and you can't assign a friend to
an environment like a workplace friend or a party friend,
people don't like the gray area. It makes them feel
uncomfortable or they want to try and yeah, what are
we what is this?
Speaker 2 (13:10):
What are we doing? So they want to try and
escalate it really like really quickly, or they pull back
out of insecurity.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And I was like, yeah, what happens when you are
in that grey area of acquaintance to potentially good friend?
Because I've been thinking a lot about get really like
building acquaintanceships and doing that in a way that's not
leaving someone high and dry. I feel like you're good
at that, but I want to be better at it
(13:37):
because and I feel like what ends up happening for
me is that I end up making acquaintanceships that escalate
into more And I think that's because it's just like
the nature of like the subject matters and the conversations
and how a lot of the friends that I have
are interconnected, So like I might have an acquaintance with
through me whose froom is really really close friend, and
(13:57):
I'm like, I don't want to be their really close friend.
I like being through me's friend and their acquaintance. But
when you start to like mix it up, it's kind
of like, let's just copy and paste, copy and paste,
Like no, no, no, no, no, no, orry, I don't
want to I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Copy and paste. I just want to keep this in
its own little space for me.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And I'm kind of reckoning with this idea of like
what about when you have incompatible friendship needs with someone?
So what if I'm in a period of wanting acquaintanceships
and I'm dealing with people who want real best friendships.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
How do you temper the expectations.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't think you do.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think people just don't get their needs met and
they're kind of like, oh, I don't like the way
this friendship's playing out.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Oh some un comfyed is it is really See, I
feel like with our job you get the chance to
meet a lot of different people, but yeah, it's harder
to have the incidental Well it isn't It isn't like
it's easy to go to events and see people, but
like you miss the opportunity to in a really low
stakes way create the hours.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, a little chat.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
And because of the industries that we work in, where
they hyper personalized and hyper social, I think that we're
all impacted by parasocial relationships. Like in our industry, acquaintanceships
feel closer or they appear closer because of the industries
that we're in as well.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So I'll have people.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Assume that I'm really close with someone who's an acquaintance
of Frou and I professional acquaintance, And then it feels
strange that to say in plain English, oh no, we're
not friends.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Because I'm shading.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's such a mean thing to say. I don't really
know them like that. I don't really know them like that.
I'm just I'm a fan. I'm a fan of comment fan.
I don't know. It's something to ponder.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Let's figure out some more terms for friendships because they
are as complex, if not more complex than romantic relationships,
and I don't think we're doing them justice in the
way that we discuss them. It's very binary, like what
to do when you want to make friends, what do
you want to do when you want to break up
with a friend, and nothing in between.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Literally, we are currently on the quest to become smarter
than literal school children. We've been doing the HSC exams,
including maths and food tech. That was last week and
the year before, sorry, the week before. My god, I
feel like since I left school, I can't imagine going
back for a whole day and learning the whole day, Like,
how did we do that?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't think we did.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We didn't, but I love we were there play lunch.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
She definitely were there. But I think high school dynamics,
mirror's office dynamics. Everyone just hanging out and like doing
incidental learning and working in between hanging out.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
God, okay, time to work, all right, absolute heaven?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Look okay, Mickey sprinted out the bis Man exam Business Management.
I didn't do it in school, did you flex?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I did not know?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Did you do it? Bis Man couldn't even pay me?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But if I went back, I would I'd study business, economics, history,
none of.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
These fun subjects. I was like, I'm going to do
I'm going to do design. I'm going to do would work.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Everyone's like, you should have done drama. People who meet
me now that you didn't do drama. I was like, what, No,
I don't see you doing drama, not at all. Anyway,
take school seriously, people.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I say redacted. Okay, so we have the bis Man exam.
Let's start with question one? What method of communication would
be most efficient for a business to share a weekly
staff meeting agenda? Email, letter, mammoridium or noticeboard? Come on, guys,
eat an email that's correct, but.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Bring back a noticeboard because I feel as though give
people agency and seeking out information.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Okay. Two? What type of question is most effective when
trying to obtain more information from a customer about their needs?
Closed communication? Oh, a close question, open question or reflect
question or repeated question. It's be open question and.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I think it's a reflective question though if you really
think about it, Like, not business from a HC perspective,
but like, here's an open question for me.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What do you what do you eat for?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
What did you eat for breakfast today? A smoothie exactly.
That's an open question. If I was starting a business
about smoothies, A reflective question is what do you hate
most about making smoothies every day? That would teach me
way more about your relationship to smoothies and the fact
that you had a smoothie.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So is it education the curriculum?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Is it open or reflective? B?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
ORC? They say open, but I say they're lying.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay, I'm correct. Three What category of sign has a
yellow background and a black triangle around the symbol? A emergency,
B mandatory, C prohibition.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And D warning warning warning.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I would potentially go with emergency, but it's warning. And
number four the final one. We've got a clean streak here, girls.
Which of the following would create the most environmentally sustainable workplace?
A using sensor lights, B adopting a green office program,
C establishing a recycling paper program, D encouraging staff to
use their own cups.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
What's a green office program? Yeah, that sounds kind of good.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think if I had to lock in B, I
want to say A because I think that would actually
make the most of the difference. But let's go with B.
What hell is a green office system?
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I guess that's it, like the whole, everything from the
top to the bottom, from stationery to center lights to
water consumption.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Get it together, folks.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
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