December 10, 2025 • 30 mins
Looking ahead to a new year can feel exciting and overwhelming at the same time, especially when you’re not quite sure what you want the next chapter to feel like.
In part 2 of my end-of-year reflection episode with my good friend and ABC broadcaster Lisa Leong - we explore the questions, habits, and small structural tweaks that can help shape a more intentional 2026 - the things that genuinely influence how your days unfold.
If you’re planning out your 2026 and want a more thoughtful way to do it, this episode will give you plenty to play with.
Lisa and I discuss:
- The simple reframing that helps you imagine your next year as if it has already happened
- How Lisa approaches designing an “ideal week” and why I’m thinking about a “perfect average day”
- The role of the reticular activating system and why vision boards work for some people
- How values shape the projects and choices you prioritise for the coming year
- The habits we’re keeping, the ones we’re changing, and how identity influences behaviour
- Why I’m stepping back from Instagram (again) and rethinking my relationship with email
- How a “dumb phone” or burner phone can help create healthier digital boundaries
- Our favourite prompts from the Year Compass, including the su
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You know that feeling when you look ahead to a
new year and realize you're not actually sure what you
want it to feel like. That's exactly where Lisa Leong
and I pick things up in part two of our
end of year reflection series. Today, we move from looking
back to intentionally designing the year ahead. If you're not
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familiar with Lisa, she's an ABC broadcaster and host of
This Working Life, and she is also one of the
most thoughtful and reflective people I know, which makes her
the perfect person to explore these questions with.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
In this episode, we.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Look at the small but powerful questions that will help
you shape a meaningful twenty twenty six. We get into
what an amazing year actually feels like, how to design
a perfect average day, and why planning your next year
as if it's already happened can change how you think
about it. And if you haven't listened to part one,
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it's the perfect companion piece to this episode, and there
is a link to that in.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The show notes. Welcome to How I Work, a show
about habits, rituals, and strategies for optimizing your date. I'm
your host, Doctor Amantha Imber.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Liza.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We are back talking about our various methods for thinking
about the year that will be. And we're recording this
in December twenty twenty five, and we are thinking about
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, so this is part two. We've done our retrospectives
and we've got all of our lessons now, and now
we're going to say, Okay, so if we did want
to do something different, what would we do? Usually try
different processes. So I'm really intrigued. What have you decided
to do for your twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So there's a couple of things that I'm drawing inspiration
from last episode, and I recommend going back and listening
to that now if you haven't. I talked about the
work by Bill Bennett and Dave Evans, who were Stanford
professors and their specialize in design thinking, and they wrote
a book called Designing Your Life, which was a very
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popular way of applying design thinking principles which typically a
bad product like yeah, five products, and applying that to
your life. And so I've worked with AI to kind
of take my own stuff and what mattered to me
and their principles and turn it into I guess some
questions that I thought would be quite meaningful to reflect on.
And I will be doing this process with my husband,
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so I'm going to reflect individually as will he. Does
he know that yet, I'm not sure if I've mentioned it.
I think I might have.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I thought you might have done it between part one
and part two. No, no, And actually we are.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We are going away to Byron Bay actually for a
few days, and yes, we'll be reflecting.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I think what's really good is, particularly if.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You're doing it with people in your life, but even
if you're not, is to think about just your intentionality
going into a process like this. Yeah, and so one
of the things that this process that I have co
developed is a couple of like overarching questions, and that is,
what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like for me?
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And what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like
for us?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And so then you'll reflect on that, we'll reflect on that.
Can I just ask some questions there? So when you're
doing that process, the one thing that I have found
helpful is instead of asking what would have been? I
tend to write it like it's happened? Have you ever
tried that? So I started off it'd be something like, oh,
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it's December twenty twenty six. I had the most amazing year.
This is what happened. And the reason why I'm phrase
it like that is because it's a lot harder for
us to project the future that it is for us
to say, if this has happened and I have had
the most amazing year I've ever had, these are the
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factors that went into it. And so that might be
just a way of phrasing that that might be helpful
for you. I like that, like a reverse obituary.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, yes, yes, nice, I'm going to take that. So
another thing that we're going to do is I mentioned
in the last episode, doing an energy audit of the
year that has been and thinking about how we both
answer that. I wonder to reflect on what do we
want to do more of in twenty twenty six and
what do we want less of in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And is that in order to get to the energy
levels that you would like to cultivate in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Six, specifically, yeah, energy and happiness and just meaning levels.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah. I love that. And do you get to say
that about other people? That about your partners? This is
what I'd like you to do more and less of.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And another process that is kind of inspired by Bilb
Bennette and Dave Evans is like breaking it down into
something a bit more micro, so designing our ideal week
and designing an ideal quarter, so you know, thinking about
what are our ideal work hours, what does the ideal
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amount of days off and holidays look like, what is
ideal for exercise, what is ideal for parenting and a
couple time and recovery On the rest I.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Eight around that. Yeah. One little build on that is
I often call it a perfect average day.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like that. You like that because then it just
takes that pressure off and it makes you realize that
this we want it to be replicable. It's not like, well,
my perfect day is that I'm sunning myself by the beach.
For my perfect average day, that's when I'm getting up
and I'm doing the things I need to do, but
we're doing it in a perfect way. I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Now. I do also have some questions to share from
the year Compass, which was the tool that I mentioned
in the last episode. Yes, but before I go into that,
I want to know more about the process that you're using,
because you're I know you've got something quite specific that
you're doing this year.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, so I've changed it up. I can't remember what
I did last year. What can you last year? What
did you scrap that? Anyway, So I've decided to go
back to a process that I haven't done in a
long time, Amantha. And so I think last year I
probably just set an intention, to be honest, So this is,
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you know, how I would like to vibe. Do you
know what? I probably have vibed the way I said
I was going to, so job done. Anyway, I'm going
to add to that. So this is way more specific.
So I'm going back to something that is akin to
a vision board. Actually it is a vision board. I'm
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just saying that because I know there's a grown factor.
But can I just explain myself, Okay, So when I
say vision board, I'm saying that there are things that
I've decided I would really like to have in my life,
you know, whether it be ways of being like just
things that i'd like to be doing more of. And
so I will find a picture on the Internet which
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will encourage me to do that. And it could be
as simple as I would love to spend more time
in nature and maybe doing my tai chi. And so
I've got a picture of nature and tai chi, right,
and I'll literally print it off in color, and I
will stick that on a piece of paper. So i'll
have an A three. Is that a big one? And
there's pretty big? Yeah, okay, so pretty big, not just
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because you're a one with the empty calendar calendar anyway,
A three. And then I've stuck it on there, right,
And then for other projects and things that I want
to do or realize, I will print off a representation
of that and I will stick it on the vision board. Now,
the reason why I find this particularly powerful is the
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reticular activating system, which is part of us. And what
this system does is they call it the yellow car effect,
because you know, when you don't notice things, maybe you're driving,
and then somebody says something really specific, like okay, let's
play Spotto, and so then suddenly you can spot yellow
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cars everywhere. That is your reticular activating system. It tells
you what to pay attention to. Because there's so much
data in the world, you can't actually pay attention to everything.
So many things happen around us, and we only focus
on the things that we deem important, whether through our intention,
or because I'm by a new car, I want this
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type of car, and then suddenly we see them everywhere.
That's your articular activating system, and it works really well
when you have a kind of idea. And for me,
because I actually work well optically, like so I learned
that way. So putting things up helps me to realize
these things. And so I haven't done it for a
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long time, but I've just basically stuck things up on
this vision board of things I would really like to
focus on next year.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And what questions did you ask yourself to get to
the bottom of that?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, for me, it was a little bit clearer about
my values, and so I've been doing a lot of
work on the things that are important to me in
terms of my values. And this is just really naturally
come out this year, I think, me being clearer about
my own values. And so then because I'm so clear
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about my values, and because I want to align myself
consciously to that next year, and because I don't have
all the time in the world, there are so many
things that I'd love to contribute to and I want
to be really purposeful with that. So I've just taken
those really core things and I've just put it up
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so it's a half reminder and you know, just that
little nudge that I can look at to say, you know, yes,
these are the things that I choose to focus on
for next year. And I'll share with you how to
turn this to life. Because at the moment, it's pictures
on a wall, Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So so that there's anything wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, it's really pretty and it makes me happy. So
I've got my pretty pictures on the wall. I've activated
my reticular activating system and now you know, all the
hints and all the data is kind of there and
for me to follow that every day. And this is
something I used to do and I will be doing again.
Is because I'm now clear on what the key things
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are my projects for next year. I will write down
at the top of the day the three big things
that I want to do. Some people call it big rocks,
you know, the big rocks, small rocks. So the big
rocks are the really important things that you want to do,
and you don't want to be carried away by the
little ad mini things. Okay, So I put the three
big rocks and then I'll put the one thing I
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will do today to bring this big rock to life
in a small way. And I will do those three
things first before I read my emails. Actually I'm lying
because as you know, I don't even read my emails. Okay, anyway,
before I do anything else, read one of your email. Yes,
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that's right. Which one is it? It changes, that's the problem. Anyway,
Enough about my problems, and guess what one of my
big rocks isn't read my emails. I'm telling you that
not not one of my values anyway, So it is
big rock. And then what's the one thing. Because I
just find it's so effective that you know, every quarter,
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then I will have moved the dial on my big things.
And you know, in the past, you know, I've managed
to do some really amazing things that have made it
a difference in people's lives because I have stayed the
course on those.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
With your vision board, because I like, when I think
of vision boards, I must admit I do think of
that book that was called The Secret I think where.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I just have car parks because I remember that
was the big car. You can get a car space space,
yeah you could. It does work. But like if you
want like a red Ferrari or whatever you put that
my vision boards.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It doesn't, so what I'm wondering, So imagine it doesn't like,
you know, you don't just put a picture of a
car and you get the car.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Like we're not talking about that kind of thing. So
what's it? Because I'm not a finniest person as well. Okay,
so I'll give you an example of one that happened
to me in the past. I hope this is another
silly version of vision version of a vision board. So
I was feeling a bit stuck in my work, and
I knew that I started reading really early days about
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design thinking, and I thought, you know, I think this
would be really useful in the industry that I was in.
But it was really early, so nobody was talking about it.
And to be honest, I think everyone thought I was
talking about architecture and changing the building. So it was
a dream and I wanted to go to the source.
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And so I really wanted to go to Stanford Design School.
But I didn't have any of the ability in ters
of like the money or the you know, and I
was like really really busy, and so on my vision board,
I just f this random picture of Stanford and I
put it up on my vision board to try and
realize this dream, and you know, it involved a lot
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of pieces that I didn't know what I needed to
get there, and so I basically got the ability to
go there an amazing opportunity and it was like a
year later when it happened, and I remember, this is
good sound. I can't believe I stard this story and
I didn't think about the end anyway, it's a bit
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naff I'll share it anyway. So I got dropped off
to walk into Stanford and it wasn't the front entrance.
It was like some random back entrance that they decided
to drop me into, and I basically looked up it
was the image that I had put on that vision board.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's sorry, col.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So it was kind of like, oh, was thought, wow,
oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah. So that was
like my exam an example of something that where I
might put up and usually it's to do with experiences
or things that I put up there. I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Coming up next, we move into the habits conversation, looking
at the ones that helped us, the ones that didn't,
and what both of us want to shift going into
twenty twenty six. Lisa also opens up about reconnecting with
her health, and I talk about my short lived Instagram
experiment and why emails remain my achilles heel of productivity.
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And we also touch on the ritual Lisa users to
stay off her phone, and we wrap up with one
of the most thought provoking questions you can use when
designing your ideal twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
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Speaker 2 (16:13):
Should we go into the year Compass? Yes, I'd love to. Yeah,
it's a big task, isn't it this year Compass? I
really want to know how effective it's going to be
for planning the future. Well, yes, it is a big task.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And last episode we did talk about you probably want
to allow a half day, maybe a full day, and
you can do it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you're the half day sorry just for the looking back.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I think you could do it both in a day, okay,
but you wouldn't want to over indulge in reflections.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Half day.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, Okay, So I've just pulled out some of the
things because if we went through everything, it'll be a
very long episode.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So one of the things.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I like is that there's a page that says, this
is what my next year will be about, and it
gives you a category to think about. And I want
to quickly read out these eight categories. Not because everyone
should think about these eight categories, but I do like
it because it stops us just being really myopic in
terms of just thinking about work or just thinking about
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family or something like that. So first one is around
personal life and family. Second one is about friends and community.
Next one is about physical health and fitness. Next one
is about habits that define you. I think it's kind
of interesting. The next one is about career or studies.
Number six is relaxation, hobbies and creativity. And with that,
I really like that it's got relaxation and creativity and
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hobbies in one because I think there are a lot
of adults that are like, well, I don't know what
my hobbies are, and that can kind of be an
excuse for just like, you know, wasting away the hours
like watching Netflix or on the socials or whatever, and
get a hobby, yeah, everyone, and so you don't stray.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's important.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Master is important, but so is creativity and relaxation, and
they're all in the same category. Then there's mental health
and self knowledge and then finally better tomorrow with the asterisks,
what will you do next year to leave the world
in a better shape.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Than you found it? So I like those categories, not
that you have to reflect in everyone that habits one.
Can you read the habits one out again? Habits that
define you? What comes to mind for you? Well, I
was just thinking that all habits define you. They do,
don't they. I just feel like, you know, this idea
of whether some of our habits. But I think it's
a useful question. But I think just like, rather than going,
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oh my god, what defines me? And who should I ask?
I think maybe just looking at your habits and just
saying I usually just ask is it helping or hindering me?
Because we all have habits, and so I just do
a bit of an order and go does it help
or hinder? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like that is there a habit that you have at
the moment that you think that you will definitely change in? Yeah,
so I'll change but also one that you'll keep the
same as well.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh okay, so my health stuff has really dropped away,
A mean, just got really busy. I knew, and I
sort of was going through a moment where I basically
just stopped weight training, and so I thought, you know what,
I think I need to get back on that bandwagon.
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And so I've done a couple of things to change
my habits around that. One of them is that I
actually signed up for Pink Triathlon. What is that? So
it's a female only triathlon, particularly for beginners, and it
has really different distances, and the one I chose was
like the baby one. It's literally close to nothing, so
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it's like one hundred meters swim in a pool. Okay,
great door, Yeah, and then it's a like one k
run and three k bike ride, so it's barely like
you could just wake up and then you've done it, trithlon.
But I didn't do it for the triathlon. The reason
why I saw up for it was just a little reminder.
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So it's a mindset thing. So at the moment I'm
saying to myself, I am a triathlete. And so the
reason why I say that to myself is because then
because I was eating really badly, and so I will
look at something and I'll say, well, if I'm a triathlete,
would I eat that? And the answer is always no,
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And so it's just a mindset thing. So I've just
decided to just do that just to change up my habits,
which was to reach for things that are good for
me short term but not good for me long term. Yeah,
because I wasn't feeling good, that's great. Yeah, I love that. Yeah,
how about you habits? Habits?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I I feel like my health habits have been pretty
good this year.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
What do I want to change?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I do feel like when I look at social media,
I reckon.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Actually a couple of things come to mind.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So I generally have Instagram deleted from my phone. But
then I went through a bit of a period of
experimentation in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I thought this, Oh yeah, no, the experiment I wasn't
particularly successful.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I thought, okay, what was the experiment? So the experiment
was a good made of mine. Sophie Hurst, who is
like she's what is she so career baby on Instagram
and she's amazing and she's gone from like something like
zero to two hundred thousand followers in the year, and
so we'll chatting about Instagram and I said, oh, you know,
how did you do that? And she gave me some advice,
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and I thought, I'm going to run an experiment. Okay,
I'm going to try it. No, I wouldn't repent this.
So I made twenty reels. I invested a little bit
of time, you know, helpful reels with you know, different
psychological you know, work in life hacks.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And what did they do? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Not much, not much. A few people liked them, a
few people shared them. Certainly didn't set the world on fire.
But what that meant, though, is that I had Instagram
on my phone, and when it's on my phone, like
and I'm checking it and you know, someone comments, I
try to respond and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm not
the many people commented, ah, but it just I found
it got me into bad habits and I hate being
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a person that checks Instagram a lot. That is that
was like inconsistent with the self identity that I have.
And so that is definitely something that I want to
just set better habits around. Yes, and I will say
I'm not in a lot when I look at my
times that's maybe fifteen or twenty minutes a day, but
it's like that's still too much in my mind. Also, email,
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I found that, and I'm just trying to think why
I've slipped back into this habit because I've got an
amazing eagem that is very on top of my inbox.
But I do find I check my email far too frequently,
and I think I just need to, you know, use
the fresh start effect as of the new year, and
just really limit the time.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That I spend in money. And I've got a hack
for that, just don't check your out. Well, you know,
emails beget emails. I'm well aware. Yeah, so if you're
someone who writes a lot of emails, you get a
lot of emails. Yeah, yeah, anyway, sorry, Okay, So that's
a new book. It's just Calm Email, the Amazing, the
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Amazing Email Hack. And then you open it and just
says don't read them at all, and don't send any
and don't tell anyone your email address. Yeah, don't have
an email. So just on those habits. Then, so what
have you decided to change? Just like, did you delete Instagram?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Then so I haven't yet, but I will And then
to be honest, that won't be too hard, I will
I know that if it's not normally it doesn't do it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So then how do you check it?
Is it on your on my desktop? I didn't even
know you could do now you can.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's just limited functionality, right, and it's great because if
you check it on your desktop, it's not addictive.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You can't do anything. You can't do anything exactly. So yeah,
so that is okay. So what will I do now?
I probably have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Look, I'm ultimately it's just keeping my email software Superhuman
just closed by default, and generally that's enough.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
To you want inbox zero, which is the point of Superhuman,
because I have it too. Obviously I'm not on inboxing.
You're on Superhuman. That shocks me. You got me onto it.
I don't even know why, but because I actually like
the functionality when I'm on there, when you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Check your emails, So I try to be inbox ten
is myka.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It is my rule. Like I'm fine with there being
a few as in ten emails only in your inbox
you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
But there's different folders. So the different folders might have emails,
but in the ones that need a response, I try
to be about inbox ten. Beginning inbox zero is a
bit of a fallacy because as soon as you achieve it,
another email will hear, and that's a game you're always
going to lose. Yeah, so I am generally about inbox ten.
So like, for example, I'm going on some annual leave
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and I'm trying to clean up my inbox to make
my life easier. For gem, then I figure, if it's
about inbox ten, ish, they're amazing her life's going to
be a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And do you batch read? I do batch read. I
do batch read and sense so that and do you
do the one touch email thing where you just I'm
out at that. I try, but I constantly fail. Yeah,
And I feel like sometimes you've got to reflect on
an email before you respond, and you know how that
one is like reply straight away. Yes, yes, I think
that's a bad practice.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What I do if I am in a bad email
loop and I'm just in there, and therefore I'm responding
quite quickly because it's like a game of wlack co mole,
we just need to get the emails and quickly respond.
Is sometimes I will schedule send so that I'm not
getting a reply straight back.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So I'm slowing things down essentially by the way. I
love schedules send so good. Yeah, it's like I think
it's compulsory. Really. The other thing I just wanted to
mention is have you looked into dumb phones?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I have, yes, And actually I mentioned you in the
Energy Game because one of the strategies I talk about
is getting a burner phone. Can you tell us what
a burner phone is?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes. So I used to do a whole day of
digital detox, which I haven't done recently. So that was
Fridays because I had a day off, and so what
I did was I bought a flip phone. So it's
a flip phone that has very limited functionality, so you've
only just got the buttons and you either make calls
or do really short text messages because it's old school.
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And I actually got a separate SIM card for that
as well. So I had a separate number which I
only gave to certain people, and I would only take
that phone with me on Fridays so for emergencies, because
most people would say, oh, I need my phone from
my emergencies, I'd say, look, I've got my phone, and
I would use it for holidays as well. So I
think you've texted me on your secret my secret benefite,
(27:08):
and it's just a really good way because otherwise I
used to delete everything off my phone for holidays and
then it was just annoying to put them back on
as well. So I just thought, oh, I'll just do
that have a dumb phone. I think I would've been
looking at a phone which is somewhere between the flip
(27:29):
phone because of the text messaging, because to be honest, yes,
I don't want to be on socials and I probably
don't want to have my email, but I do want
to keep in contact with my friends, like this is
really important to me. And so the problem with the
really really dumb phone that I bought was like, you know,
I'd go to text you, Amantha, and I'd be like,
you know, just to get oh, and then I think, oh,
(27:53):
I'm really not saying what I want to say, and
I probably seemed really abrupt because it's like, okay, yeah,
I had a lot more to share, by the way
in that holiday, but I could have text.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You, Okay, I'm going to share one more question from
the year compass, and that is towards the end, not
quite at the end of the process. Say, there's a
section called secret wish and it says, what is your
secret wish for the next year? And I reckon, that
is a really interesting question to ponder. Maybe it could
(28:26):
link back to your vision board. If your vision board
was kept in a secret spot, maybe like you visualize
your secret wish. But I thought, oh, I like that.
It kind of gets your imagination thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, secret wish. I have never seen that on any
planning thing before. But I like that because it does
make you maybe even go deeper because it may be
a secret from you. Have you thought about that? So
just the fact that sometimes unconsciously or subconsciously, we have
like this really deep seated wish for ourselves that even
(28:58):
we can't acknowledge it. And so I think maybe sitting
with that question a little bit, just to see what emerges,
that might be something to let percolate. Love that, but
don't tell anyone, because then it's not a secret. But
put it on your vision board, but just hap from everyone.
It's a cryptic way. I was like, what is that picture? Lisa?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Thank you and your processes and the year ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I hope twenty twenty six is an awesome one. For you.
May your twenty twenty six be everything that you have
on your vision board. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Thanks Lisa, so I hope that this has given you
lots of food for thought to help you planning a
brilliant twenty twenty six. And if you missed part one
of this two parter, head back and listen to it now.
I've put the link to it in the show notes.
Thanks so much for listening and I'll catch you in
the next episode. If you like today's show, make sure
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when new episodes drop.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
How I Work was recorded on the traditional land of
the Warringery people, part of the Coulan nation.
You know that feeling when you look ahead to a
new year and realize you're not actually sure what you
want it to feel like. That's exactly where Lisa Leong
and I pick things up in part two of our
end of year reflection series. Today, we move from looking
back to intentionally designing the year ahead. If you're not
(00:24):
familiar with Lisa, she's an ABC broadcaster and host of
This Working Life, and she is also one of the
most thoughtful and reflective people I know, which makes her
the perfect person to explore these questions with.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
In this episode, we.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Look at the small but powerful questions that will help
you shape a meaningful twenty twenty six. We get into
what an amazing year actually feels like, how to design
a perfect average day, and why planning your next year
as if it's already happened can change how you think
about it. And if you haven't listened to part one,
(01:02):
it's the perfect companion piece to this episode, and there
is a link to that in.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The show notes. Welcome to How I Work, a show
about habits, rituals, and strategies for optimizing your date. I'm
your host, Doctor Amantha Imber.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Liza.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
We are back talking about our various methods for thinking
about the year that will be. And we're recording this
in December twenty twenty five, and we are thinking about
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yes, so this is part two. We've done our retrospectives
and we've got all of our lessons now, and now
we're going to say, Okay, so if we did want
to do something different, what would we do? Usually try
different processes. So I'm really intrigued. What have you decided
to do for your twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So there's a couple of things that I'm drawing inspiration
from last episode, and I recommend going back and listening
to that now if you haven't. I talked about the
work by Bill Bennett and Dave Evans, who were Stanford
professors and their specialize in design thinking, and they wrote
a book called Designing Your Life, which was a very
(02:20):
popular way of applying design thinking principles which typically a
bad product like yeah, five products, and applying that to
your life. And so I've worked with AI to kind
of take my own stuff and what mattered to me
and their principles and turn it into I guess some
questions that I thought would be quite meaningful to reflect on.
And I will be doing this process with my husband,
(02:42):
so I'm going to reflect individually as will he. Does
he know that yet, I'm not sure if I've mentioned it.
I think I might have.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I thought you might have done it between part one
and part two. No, no, And actually we are.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
We are going away to Byron Bay actually for a
few days, and yes, we'll be reflecting.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
So I think what's really good is, particularly if.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You're doing it with people in your life, but even
if you're not, is to think about just your intentionality
going into a process like this. Yeah, and so one
of the things that this process that I have co
developed is a couple of like overarching questions, and that is,
what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like for me?
(03:25):
And what would an amazing twenty twenty six feel like
for us?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And so then you'll reflect on that, we'll reflect on that.
Can I just ask some questions there? So when you're
doing that process, the one thing that I have found
helpful is instead of asking what would have been? I
tend to write it like it's happened? Have you ever
tried that? So I started off it'd be something like, oh,
(03:52):
it's December twenty twenty six. I had the most amazing year.
This is what happened. And the reason why I'm phrase
it like that is because it's a lot harder for
us to project the future that it is for us
to say, if this has happened and I have had
the most amazing year I've ever had, these are the
(04:13):
factors that went into it. And so that might be
just a way of phrasing that that might be helpful
for you. I like that, like a reverse obituary.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, yes, yes, nice, I'm going to take that. So
another thing that we're going to do is I mentioned
in the last episode, doing an energy audit of the
year that has been and thinking about how we both
answer that. I wonder to reflect on what do we
want to do more of in twenty twenty six and
what do we want less of in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
And is that in order to get to the energy
levels that you would like to cultivate in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Six, specifically, yeah, energy and happiness and just meaning levels.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah. I love that. And do you get to say
that about other people? That about your partners? This is
what I'd like you to do more and less of.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And another process that is kind of inspired by Bilb
Bennette and Dave Evans is like breaking it down into
something a bit more micro, so designing our ideal week
and designing an ideal quarter, so you know, thinking about
what are our ideal work hours, what does the ideal
(05:28):
amount of days off and holidays look like, what is
ideal for exercise, what is ideal for parenting and a
couple time and recovery On the rest I.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Eight around that. Yeah. One little build on that is
I often call it a perfect average day.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I like that. You like that because then it just
takes that pressure off and it makes you realize that
this we want it to be replicable. It's not like, well,
my perfect day is that I'm sunning myself by the beach.
For my perfect average day, that's when I'm getting up
and I'm doing the things I need to do, but
we're doing it in a perfect way. I like that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Now. I do also have some questions to share from
the year Compass, which was the tool that I mentioned
in the last episode. Yes, but before I go into that,
I want to know more about the process that you're using,
because you're I know you've got something quite specific that
you're doing this year.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, so I've changed it up. I can't remember what
I did last year. What can you last year? What
did you scrap that? Anyway, So I've decided to go
back to a process that I haven't done in a
long time, Amantha. And so I think last year I
probably just set an intention, to be honest, So this is,
(06:50):
you know, how I would like to vibe. Do you
know what? I probably have vibed the way I said
I was going to, so job done. Anyway, I'm going
to add to that. So this is way more specific.
So I'm going back to something that is akin to
a vision board. Actually it is a vision board. I'm
(07:12):
just saying that because I know there's a grown factor.
But can I just explain myself, Okay, So when I
say vision board, I'm saying that there are things that
I've decided I would really like to have in my life,
you know, whether it be ways of being like just
things that i'd like to be doing more of. And
so I will find a picture on the Internet which
(07:34):
will encourage me to do that. And it could be
as simple as I would love to spend more time
in nature and maybe doing my tai chi. And so
I've got a picture of nature and tai chi, right,
and I'll literally print it off in color, and I
will stick that on a piece of paper. So i'll
have an A three. Is that a big one? And
there's pretty big? Yeah, okay, so pretty big, not just
(07:56):
because you're a one with the empty calendar calendar anyway,
A three. And then I've stuck it on there, right,
And then for other projects and things that I want
to do or realize, I will print off a representation
of that and I will stick it on the vision board. Now,
the reason why I find this particularly powerful is the
(08:16):
reticular activating system, which is part of us. And what
this system does is they call it the yellow car effect,
because you know, when you don't notice things, maybe you're driving,
and then somebody says something really specific, like okay, let's
play Spotto, and so then suddenly you can spot yellow
(08:39):
cars everywhere. That is your reticular activating system. It tells
you what to pay attention to. Because there's so much
data in the world, you can't actually pay attention to everything.
So many things happen around us, and we only focus
on the things that we deem important, whether through our intention,
or because I'm by a new car, I want this
(09:02):
type of car, and then suddenly we see them everywhere.
That's your articular activating system, and it works really well
when you have a kind of idea. And for me,
because I actually work well optically, like so I learned
that way. So putting things up helps me to realize
these things. And so I haven't done it for a
(09:23):
long time, but I've just basically stuck things up on
this vision board of things I would really like to
focus on next year.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And what questions did you ask yourself to get to
the bottom of that?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, for me, it was a little bit clearer about
my values, and so I've been doing a lot of
work on the things that are important to me in
terms of my values. And this is just really naturally
come out this year, I think, me being clearer about
my own values. And so then because I'm so clear
(09:58):
about my values, and because I want to align myself
consciously to that next year, and because I don't have
all the time in the world, there are so many
things that I'd love to contribute to and I want
to be really purposeful with that. So I've just taken
those really core things and I've just put it up
(10:21):
so it's a half reminder and you know, just that
little nudge that I can look at to say, you know, yes,
these are the things that I choose to focus on
for next year. And I'll share with you how to
turn this to life. Because at the moment, it's pictures
on a wall, Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So so that there's anything wrong with that?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, it's really pretty and it makes me happy. So
I've got my pretty pictures on the wall. I've activated
my reticular activating system and now you know, all the
hints and all the data is kind of there and
for me to follow that every day. And this is
something I used to do and I will be doing again.
Is because I'm now clear on what the key things
(11:06):
are my projects for next year. I will write down
at the top of the day the three big things
that I want to do. Some people call it big rocks,
you know, the big rocks, small rocks. So the big
rocks are the really important things that you want to do,
and you don't want to be carried away by the
little ad mini things. Okay, So I put the three
big rocks and then I'll put the one thing I
(11:29):
will do today to bring this big rock to life
in a small way. And I will do those three
things first before I read my emails. Actually I'm lying
because as you know, I don't even read my emails. Okay, anyway,
before I do anything else, read one of your email. Yes,
(11:49):
that's right. Which one is it? It changes, that's the problem. Anyway,
Enough about my problems, and guess what one of my
big rocks isn't read my emails. I'm telling you that
not not one of my values anyway, So it is
big rock. And then what's the one thing. Because I
just find it's so effective that you know, every quarter,
(12:11):
then I will have moved the dial on my big things.
And you know, in the past, you know, I've managed
to do some really amazing things that have made it
a difference in people's lives because I have stayed the
course on those.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
With your vision board, because I like, when I think
of vision boards, I must admit I do think of
that book that was called The Secret I think where.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I just have car parks because I remember that
was the big car. You can get a car space space,
yeah you could. It does work. But like if you
want like a red Ferrari or whatever you put that
my vision boards.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
It doesn't, so what I'm wondering, So imagine it doesn't like,
you know, you don't just put a picture of a
car and you get the car.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Like we're not talking about that kind of thing. So
what's it? Because I'm not a finniest person as well. Okay,
so I'll give you an example of one that happened
to me in the past. I hope this is another
silly version of vision version of a vision board. So
I was feeling a bit stuck in my work, and
I knew that I started reading really early days about
(13:26):
design thinking, and I thought, you know, I think this
would be really useful in the industry that I was in.
But it was really early, so nobody was talking about it.
And to be honest, I think everyone thought I was
talking about architecture and changing the building. So it was
a dream and I wanted to go to the source.
(13:47):
And so I really wanted to go to Stanford Design School.
But I didn't have any of the ability in ters
of like the money or the you know, and I
was like really really busy, and so on my vision board,
I just f this random picture of Stanford and I
put it up on my vision board to try and
realize this dream, and you know, it involved a lot
(14:10):
of pieces that I didn't know what I needed to
get there, and so I basically got the ability to
go there an amazing opportunity and it was like a
year later when it happened, and I remember, this is
good sound. I can't believe I stard this story and
I didn't think about the end anyway, it's a bit
(14:31):
naff I'll share it anyway. So I got dropped off
to walk into Stanford and it wasn't the front entrance.
It was like some random back entrance that they decided
to drop me into, and I basically looked up it
was the image that I had put on that vision board.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's sorry, col.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So it was kind of like, oh, was thought, wow,
oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah. So that was
like my exam an example of something that where I
might put up and usually it's to do with experiences
or things that I put up there. I love that.
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Coming up next, we move into the habits conversation, looking
at the ones that helped us, the ones that didn't,
and what both of us want to shift going into
twenty twenty six. Lisa also opens up about reconnecting with
her health, and I talk about my short lived Instagram
experiment and why emails remain my achilles heel of productivity.
(15:38):
And we also touch on the ritual Lisa users to
stay off her phone, and we wrap up with one
of the most thought provoking questions you can use when
designing your ideal twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
If you're looking for more tips to improve the way
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That's Amantha dot com.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Should we go into the year Compass? Yes, I'd love to. Yeah,
it's a big task, isn't it this year Compass? I
really want to know how effective it's going to be
for planning the future. Well, yes, it is a big task.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And last episode we did talk about you probably want
to allow a half day, maybe a full day, and
you can do it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And you're the half day sorry just for the looking back.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, I think you could do it both in a day, okay,
but you wouldn't want to over indulge in reflections.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Half day.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Okay, Okay, So I've just pulled out some of the
things because if we went through everything, it'll be a
very long episode.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So one of the things.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I like is that there's a page that says, this
is what my next year will be about, and it
gives you a category to think about. And I want
to quickly read out these eight categories. Not because everyone
should think about these eight categories, but I do like
it because it stops us just being really myopic in
terms of just thinking about work or just thinking about
(17:12):
family or something like that. So first one is around
personal life and family. Second one is about friends and community.
Next one is about physical health and fitness. Next one
is about habits that define you. I think it's kind
of interesting. The next one is about career or studies.
Number six is relaxation, hobbies and creativity. And with that,
I really like that it's got relaxation and creativity and
(17:35):
hobbies in one because I think there are a lot
of adults that are like, well, I don't know what
my hobbies are, and that can kind of be an
excuse for just like, you know, wasting away the hours
like watching Netflix or on the socials or whatever, and
get a hobby, yeah, everyone, and so you don't stray.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's important.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Master is important, but so is creativity and relaxation, and
they're all in the same category. Then there's mental health
and self knowledge and then finally better tomorrow with the asterisks,
what will you do next year to leave the world
in a better shape.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Than you found it? So I like those categories, not
that you have to reflect in everyone that habits one.
Can you read the habits one out again? Habits that
define you? What comes to mind for you? Well, I
was just thinking that all habits define you. They do,
don't they. I just feel like, you know, this idea
of whether some of our habits. But I think it's
a useful question. But I think just like, rather than going,
(18:29):
oh my god, what defines me? And who should I ask?
I think maybe just looking at your habits and just
saying I usually just ask is it helping or hindering me?
Because we all have habits, and so I just do
a bit of an order and go does it help
or hinder? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like that is there a habit that you have at
the moment that you think that you will definitely change in? Yeah,
so I'll change but also one that you'll keep the
same as well.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Oh okay, so my health stuff has really dropped away,
A mean, just got really busy. I knew, and I
sort of was going through a moment where I basically
just stopped weight training, and so I thought, you know what,
I think I need to get back on that bandwagon.
(19:17):
And so I've done a couple of things to change
my habits around that. One of them is that I
actually signed up for Pink Triathlon. What is that? So
it's a female only triathlon, particularly for beginners, and it
has really different distances, and the one I chose was
like the baby one. It's literally close to nothing, so
(19:41):
it's like one hundred meters swim in a pool. Okay,
great door, Yeah, and then it's a like one k
run and three k bike ride, so it's barely like
you could just wake up and then you've done it, trithlon.
But I didn't do it for the triathlon. The reason
why I saw up for it was just a little reminder.
(20:02):
So it's a mindset thing. So at the moment I'm
saying to myself, I am a triathlete. And so the
reason why I say that to myself is because then
because I was eating really badly, and so I will
look at something and I'll say, well, if I'm a triathlete,
would I eat that? And the answer is always no,
(20:22):
And so it's just a mindset thing. So I've just
decided to just do that just to change up my habits,
which was to reach for things that are good for
me short term but not good for me long term. Yeah,
because I wasn't feeling good, that's great. Yeah, I love that. Yeah,
how about you habits? Habits?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
I I feel like my health habits have been pretty
good this year.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
What do I want to change?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I do feel like when I look at social media,
I reckon.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Actually a couple of things come to mind.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
So I generally have Instagram deleted from my phone. But
then I went through a bit of a period of
experimentation in the last few months.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I thought this, Oh yeah, no, the experiment I wasn't
particularly successful.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I thought, okay, what was the experiment? So the experiment
was a good made of mine. Sophie Hurst, who is
like she's what is she so career baby on Instagram
and she's amazing and she's gone from like something like
zero to two hundred thousand followers in the year, and
so we'll chatting about Instagram and I said, oh, you know,
how did you do that? And she gave me some advice,
(21:35):
and I thought, I'm going to run an experiment. Okay,
I'm going to try it. No, I wouldn't repent this.
So I made twenty reels. I invested a little bit
of time, you know, helpful reels with you know, different
psychological you know, work in life hacks.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
And what did they do? Like?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Not much, not much. A few people liked them, a
few people shared them. Certainly didn't set the world on fire.
But what that meant, though, is that I had Instagram
on my phone, and when it's on my phone, like
and I'm checking it and you know, someone comments, I
try to respond and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm not
the many people commented, ah, but it just I found
it got me into bad habits and I hate being
(22:11):
a person that checks Instagram a lot. That is that
was like inconsistent with the self identity that I have.
And so that is definitely something that I want to
just set better habits around. Yes, and I will say
I'm not in a lot when I look at my
times that's maybe fifteen or twenty minutes a day, but
it's like that's still too much in my mind. Also, email,
(22:32):
I found that, and I'm just trying to think why
I've slipped back into this habit because I've got an
amazing eagem that is very on top of my inbox.
But I do find I check my email far too frequently,
and I think I just need to, you know, use
the fresh start effect as of the new year, and
just really limit the time.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That I spend in money. And I've got a hack
for that, just don't check your out. Well, you know,
emails beget emails. I'm well aware. Yeah, so if you're
someone who writes a lot of emails, you get a
lot of emails. Yeah, yeah, anyway, sorry, Okay, So that's
a new book. It's just Calm Email, the Amazing, the
(23:17):
Amazing Email Hack. And then you open it and just
says don't read them at all, and don't send any
and don't tell anyone your email address. Yeah, don't have
an email. So just on those habits. Then, so what
have you decided to change? Just like, did you delete Instagram?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Then so I haven't yet, but I will And then
to be honest, that won't be too hard, I will
I know that if it's not normally it doesn't do it.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So then how do you check it?
Is it on your on my desktop? I didn't even
know you could do now you can.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's just limited functionality, right, and it's great because if
you check it on your desktop, it's not addictive.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
You can't do anything. You can't do anything exactly. So yeah,
so that is okay. So what will I do now?
I probably have to think about that.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Look, I'm ultimately it's just keeping my email software Superhuman
just closed by default, and generally that's enough.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
To you want inbox zero, which is the point of Superhuman,
because I have it too. Obviously I'm not on inboxing.
You're on Superhuman. That shocks me. You got me onto it.
I don't even know why, but because I actually like
the functionality when I'm on there, when you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Check your emails, So I try to be inbox ten
is myka.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
It is my rule. Like I'm fine with there being
a few as in ten emails only in your inbox
you're amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
But there's different folders. So the different folders might have emails,
but in the ones that need a response, I try
to be about inbox ten. Beginning inbox zero is a
bit of a fallacy because as soon as you achieve it,
another email will hear, and that's a game you're always
going to lose. Yeah, so I am generally about inbox ten.
So like, for example, I'm going on some annual leave
(25:10):
and I'm trying to clean up my inbox to make
my life easier. For gem, then I figure, if it's
about inbox ten, ish, they're amazing her life's going to
be a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And do you batch read? I do batch read. I
do batch read and sense so that and do you
do the one touch email thing where you just I'm
out at that. I try, but I constantly fail. Yeah,
And I feel like sometimes you've got to reflect on
an email before you respond, and you know how that
one is like reply straight away. Yes, yes, I think
that's a bad practice.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
What I do if I am in a bad email
loop and I'm just in there, and therefore I'm responding
quite quickly because it's like a game of wlack co mole,
we just need to get the emails and quickly respond.
Is sometimes I will schedule send so that I'm not
getting a reply straight back.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
So I'm slowing things down essentially by the way. I
love schedules send so good. Yeah, it's like I think
it's compulsory. Really. The other thing I just wanted to
mention is have you looked into dumb phones?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I have, yes, And actually I mentioned you in the
Energy Game because one of the strategies I talk about
is getting a burner phone. Can you tell us what
a burner phone is?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yes. So I used to do a whole day of
digital detox, which I haven't done recently. So that was
Fridays because I had a day off, and so what
I did was I bought a flip phone. So it's
a flip phone that has very limited functionality, so you've
only just got the buttons and you either make calls
or do really short text messages because it's old school.
(26:43):
And I actually got a separate SIM card for that
as well. So I had a separate number which I
only gave to certain people, and I would only take
that phone with me on Fridays so for emergencies, because
most people would say, oh, I need my phone from
my emergencies, I'd say, look, I've got my phone, and
I would use it for holidays as well. So I
think you've texted me on your secret my secret benefite,
(27:08):
and it's just a really good way because otherwise I
used to delete everything off my phone for holidays and
then it was just annoying to put them back on
as well. So I just thought, oh, I'll just do
that have a dumb phone. I think I would've been
looking at a phone which is somewhere between the flip
(27:29):
phone because of the text messaging, because to be honest, yes,
I don't want to be on socials and I probably
don't want to have my email, but I do want
to keep in contact with my friends, like this is
really important to me. And so the problem with the
really really dumb phone that I bought was like, you know,
I'd go to text you, Amantha, and I'd be like,
you know, just to get oh, and then I think, oh,
(27:53):
I'm really not saying what I want to say, and
I probably seemed really abrupt because it's like, okay, yeah,
I had a lot more to share, by the way
in that holiday, but I could have text.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
You, Okay, I'm going to share one more question from
the year compass, and that is towards the end, not
quite at the end of the process. Say, there's a
section called secret wish and it says, what is your
secret wish for the next year? And I reckon, that
is a really interesting question to ponder. Maybe it could
(28:26):
link back to your vision board. If your vision board
was kept in a secret spot, maybe like you visualize
your secret wish. But I thought, oh, I like that.
It kind of gets your imagination thinking.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, secret wish. I have never seen that on any
planning thing before. But I like that because it does
make you maybe even go deeper because it may be
a secret from you. Have you thought about that? So
just the fact that sometimes unconsciously or subconsciously, we have
like this really deep seated wish for ourselves that even
(28:58):
we can't acknowledge it. And so I think maybe sitting
with that question a little bit, just to see what emerges,
that might be something to let percolate. Love that, but
don't tell anyone, because then it's not a secret. But
put it on your vision board, but just hap from everyone.
It's a cryptic way. I was like, what is that picture? Lisa?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Thank you and your processes and the year ahead.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I hope twenty twenty six is an awesome one. For you.
May your twenty twenty six be everything that you have
on your vision board. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Thanks Lisa, so I hope that this has given you
lots of food for thought to help you planning a
brilliant twenty twenty six. And if you missed part one
of this two parter, head back and listen to it now.
I've put the link to it in the show notes.
Thanks so much for listening and I'll catch you in
the next episode. If you like today's show, make sure
(29:54):
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when new episodes drop.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
How I Work was recorded on the traditional land of
the Warringery people, part of the Coulan nation.
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