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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Yeah, it's Jovian.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Jo.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
It's Jonathan.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
On the cutting room floor today. I love evangelical ministers.

Speaker 5 (00:35):
Well, yes, are they the most rational?

Speaker 6 (00:38):
They will?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
They will shoehorn their way in and out of any
argument and twist themselves inside out to to get their
point across. It's quite interesting as now I've come across
this guy called David Lawrence Ramsey the Third. He's an
American radio personality who offers financial advice, but he's also
an evangelical Christian, and every time he's giving financial advice,

(01:00):
he brings up Christianity. So this is a big part
of his platform.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
He was being interviewed.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Here about whether the fact that people like him have
a lot of houses makes them greedy and is that
part of the Christian ethos.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Have a listened to his explanation of all of this, Rick, was.

Speaker 7 (01:17):
It considered ethical for people to own so many houses?
I'm just wondering how as a Christian this isn't seen
as greed. Don't you know that buying up all these
homes is what's causing it the housing shortage.

Speaker 8 (01:29):
Let's just start with not the spiritual part, but your
economic understanding. That's not what's causing the housing shortage. Investors
buying up houses is not causing the housing shortage.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
That is a thing going around that these massive hedge
funds or Blackstone like all these.

Speaker 8 (01:43):
They're coming in upy, but they don't have a soul Blackstone. Yeah,
those guys are buying up.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Houses, that's true.

Speaker 7 (01:50):
And is that affecting the housing market at all?

Speaker 8 (01:52):
Because that is probably is to some extent, but not
as much as tiktoks as it is.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Yeah, but anyways, you're on TikTok though.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I know that's just the truth that.

Speaker 8 (02:00):
I'm lacking in judgment. But I own I don't know,
I don't even know fifteen to twenty houses among a
bunch of commercial real estate as well. How is that
not greed because I don't own anything. I'm a Christian
and that means God owns it and I'm managing it
for him.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Not fair enough, God owns it and I'm managing it
for him, and those hedge funds don't have a soul.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
It's right for people with souls.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Sure, you're sharing a house with God.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is God's house, and in God's house you obey
God's rules.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
And God has chosen me to look after this enormous
portfolio of show him.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I think it's a big responsibility.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Yeah, I'm good luck to it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I remember when I was because I went to a
Catholic school, there was a Bible passage it is easier
for a rich man a camel. It's easier for a
camel to pass through the eye of a needle than
it is for a rich man to pass through into
the gates of heaven. And that I used to say
to the teachers. I used to say, it was give

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you rich, you can't go to heaven. And then what
would they say, Well, they would say, in Galilee and
all those places over in the Nazareth and stuff like that.
The castle walls would have a hole in the side,
and it was called a needle, and that's and it
was a.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Camel sized hole.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
So the camel would get into the into whatever, the
palace or whatever through this particular hole in the wall
because it was designed to accept a camel.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
So by that reasoning it was okay.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
So it is easy for a camel to get through
with this.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
As the priest drived off, drove off in a late
model safe.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Waving to every woman his role ex I said, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
But you know, I all power to them, because they're
just evangelical ministers.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
I just slick salesmen.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
The evangelicals are interesting because they rely on public money.
They rely on fundraisers. I once watched the show in
America where one of the like a Nunnish woman was
taking donations because they were getting a new satellite dish
and she wanted to bless the dish and people would
donate Tammy fay Baker and her husband. You know the
number of times masked as being financially corrupt, sexually corrupt,

(04:14):
it's quite extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
They believe that's do they do?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
They believe? I don't know do if they?

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Some do obviously, But I wonder if these big high
end ones really believe.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Kenneth Copeland, for example, remember me, he's a big time
evangelical minister. I see him on the telly when I
come in to work in the morning. Always wears a
nice jilet jacket and it looks very earnest and quite
quite Bible passages for anything you want straight out there.
But he was questioned about his use of private jets
by this young reporter from Inside Edition.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Do you ever use.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Your private jets to go visit your vacation homes for example?

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Okay, again, getting back to the comment, you said that
you don't like to fly commercial because you don't want
to get into a tube with a bunch of demons.
Do you really believe that human beings are demons? No?

Speaker 6 (05:05):
I do not, And don't you ever say I did wrestall,
not with flesh and blood, but principalitician powers.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Can you explain what you meant by that?

Speaker 6 (05:16):
The well, let me ask you. But it's a biblical thing,
it's a spiritual thing. It doesn't have anything to do
with people.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
People. I love people. Jesus loves people.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Jesus did love people, and he would want you to
fly out the front of.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
The plane so you don't have to mix with the German.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
And Jesus he'd get into the first class lands and
he was always wearing sandals.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's is outrageous.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Well, he'd always find enough fish and bread up there.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, of course the wine though, as you say, he'd
get wine before ten o'clock.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Interesting, as you say that you'd find a Bible quote
for anything. He just went off on a tangent. The
Bible quote had nothing to do with that conversation.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
It is easier for the eye than new to pass
through the wind of the man that is speaking it.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
That's my favorite Bible passage.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Youryberties twenty six, your es Eryberdy's trausies.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Your mender is.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Have we offended enough people?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Now? Okay, Chys, that's it for today.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Come back tomorrows for more jonesy Anda Maderscuttin Room