February 26, 2025 • 6 mins
The extraordinary Gus Worland joins Jonesy & Amanda to chat about his new book 'Boys Do Cry' and his passionate response to the Marty Sheargold controversy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda Jamna.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
He's the former Triple M Rush our host who for
sixteen years kept everyone laughing and informed and emotionally equipped.
But Gus Walland has shifted his focus. He's making his
first foray into children's literature with his book, Boys Don't Cry.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Gus Hello, Yeah, good, Great to see you guys.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Before we get to the book, and I do want
to talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How are you feeling about Triple M's Drive Show?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, disappointing.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I was on the Drive Show for the last three
years and obviously were replaced by Marty who was on
before us, but he got next a couple.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Of hours when our show was wound up.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I mean, he's been close to the line many many times,
as a lot of comedians go. But firstly, he was
wrong yesterday and the information that he gave out and
then secondly, the way that he did it made us
all feel and we all love the MS, including you guys, made.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Us all feel really really sad.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And I'm glad that they made the decision to give
him the flick. The apology was never going to be enough,
and we just need to change the way that we
look at things to triple him. I told the management
there many years ago, we've got a responsibility talking to
so many men every single day to actually change what
it takes.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
To be a man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And we have to go away from these nineteen eighties
and nineties thoughts and get into the real world and
understand that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And that's our responsibility.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And you're right, boosh, Laura Bouchot, who's now in charge,
she'll make a huge She'll make a huge difference. And
also there's another boy called Matthew O'Reilly who's a really
good guy, and he'll do it as well. But it's
just going to take time. But I'm glad they gave
him the flick.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, I don't want him to get.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Too good, you know, I like, yeah the fast.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Just like you said you were happy every time you
beat tripping, Well that happened, you know, those guys.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Amanda and I. How we got together as a show
was Andrew was sick and I filled in for a week.
And at the end of that week, I was so
depressed because I thought, this is the best ratio I've
ever done. But the dopes that run this place will
never see that because I'm not a big time star
or a nameless comedian. Yeah, and so I remember saying
to the time for me to beat Triple Am or
(02:03):
be on breakfast, I have to go across the road
and beat you guys. So I get great satisfaction whenever
the ratings come out and we're smashing Triple Am.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I love that. I live for that. You did it
a lot, so I made it my business. That's their loss,
that's their loss.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, when we're talking about how men behave, how
men speak in public, how men actually think. I've been
very distressed at the rise of men like Andrew Tate.
There's this giant vacuum for how young boys feel and
how they're taught to behave. Andrew Tate is misogynistic and appalling.
(02:40):
And I don't think many people, many parents know what
their sons are looking at. What have you seen about
the messages young men are getting.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, the messages now are so easy to get. That's
the problem, you know, Like I over had my own
son listening to Andrew Tate for a while and we
had to sit.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Down and adult him.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We had to be a parent for a few weeks
there to make him understand what sort of filth that
bloke was coming up with. But unfortunately these young kids
it's so easy to find this information now they feel
attached to him in some way.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And is this because they see softer men as being weak?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So how do we change that?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, generation by generation, and I suppose that's what we do.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
It. Gotcha for Life is letting blokes know that it's
the different set of rules. Now what it takes to
be a boy to be a man. You've got sons yourself,
and you'd understand this. At the end of the day.
It is the most important thing to be real and
to be human, which means you feel all the feels.
And that's pretty much what Gotcha for Life is all
about building that emotional muscle so you can have a
conversation of gravity rather than just living in this BS
(03:39):
sort of banter land where people are just talking nonsense
just for the sake of it and filling up the words,
filling up the day with words which just make no
sense at all.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So that's what I'm about.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But it's going to take time, I reckon slightly, but
sure we are getting better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But as you say you target, you have to target
younger and younger, which is why you've written a kid's book.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, exactly. We've been at Gotcha for Life now for
nine years. The last year or so we're focused on
primary schools and primary schools. We've got schools now doing
mentally fit primary schools.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Which is fantastic piloting with us.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Many schools in the Sydney area that would be listening now,
And this little book just sort of adds to that.
And this boy's not having a particularly good day, and
he just builds and builds and builds and holds onto
these emotions and then eventually he says to his dad,
I've had a tough day, and shows some real emotion
and cries, and then everything gets better. It doesn't mean
we burst into tears every five minutes or have deep
(04:29):
and meaningful conversations all the time, but just to be
able to be emotional, to be human. So many men,
Jones you of our age, have told me that their
emotional tap was turned off in the primary school at
the age of five, six or seven. They showed emotion
and someone said something to them. They felt so much shame,
so much guilt, They felt so bad They'll go I'm
never going to feel that way again. So all of
(04:51):
a sudden we shove everything down.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, you know, but those shows I married at first
sight when the women say I want someone who's vulnerable
and strong, and in a minute a man shows vulnerability,
do they time to man up?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So women aren't.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
But also when a man shows strength as well, like
if you speak directly, you can also at the same
time be accused of being a bully.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And it's tricky. It's tricky.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It's a fine line.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It certainly is a fine line. And you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And those shows as well, I mean I ban those
shows as well, like most of them are absolutely rubbish.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But you know, I've actually gone on dating shows.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
As me looking like me, and we sit in front
of like ten girls and you have two minutes to
chat and I've got blokes next to me that look
like models. At the end of the two minutes, they go,
I want to date you me rather than.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This other blake. And they're looking at me, going why
would they want to date you? I go, because I'm
real and I'm faired income. That's what girls really want
at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They want someone who, of course you need to be
strong and not bursting into tears all the time, but
to show that you're human is absolutely what it's all about,
and that's what women want and blokes need to be
more like that. But we've been shoved it down our
throat all our lives to man up and shut up. Well,
it's time to man up and speak up. And that's
what I'm trying to do with this book and the
work at gotcha.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Good on you, mate, I love the book. It's a
great story. I like when he gets a bitten on
the bum.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
By a platypus, it can happen to.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Take ship lands on his foot. Of me, he's not
having a good time.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
This is just Gus Walland's weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I want to congratulate you guys too on just all
your success and so thanks.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
So I'll tell that to the executives a triple M.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Well, very hard boys right here, and the view here
is beautiful and you've got a beautiful show and great
loyal listeners.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The future is gold for us. Mate, Thank you, well done,
Thank you, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Gus Waller and check out the book Boys Do Cry,
available now.
Jersey and Amanda Jamna.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
He's the former Triple M Rush our host who for
sixteen years kept everyone laughing and informed and emotionally equipped.
But Gus Walland has shifted his focus. He's making his
first foray into children's literature with his book, Boys Don't Cry.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Gus Hello, Yeah, good, Great to see you guys.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Before we get to the book, and I do want
to talk about the book.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
How are you feeling about Triple M's Drive Show?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Yeah, disappointing.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I was on the Drive Show for the last three
years and obviously were replaced by Marty who was on
before us, but he got next a couple.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Of hours when our show was wound up.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
I mean, he's been close to the line many many times,
as a lot of comedians go. But firstly, he was
wrong yesterday and the information that he gave out and
then secondly, the way that he did it made us
all feel and we all love the MS, including you guys, made.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Us all feel really really sad.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
And I'm glad that they made the decision to give
him the flick. The apology was never going to be enough,
and we just need to change the way that we
look at things to triple him. I told the management
there many years ago, we've got a responsibility talking to
so many men every single day to actually change what
it takes.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
To be a man.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
And we have to go away from these nineteen eighties
and nineties thoughts and get into the real world and
understand that.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And that's our responsibility.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And you're right, boosh, Laura Bouchot, who's now in charge,
she'll make a huge She'll make a huge difference. And
also there's another boy called Matthew O'Reilly who's a really
good guy, and he'll do it as well. But it's
just going to take time. But I'm glad they gave
him the flick.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, I don't want him to get.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Too good, you know, I like, yeah the fast.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Just like you said you were happy every time you
beat tripping, Well that happened, you know, those guys.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Amanda and I. How we got together as a show
was Andrew was sick and I filled in for a week.
And at the end of that week, I was so
depressed because I thought, this is the best ratio I've
ever done. But the dopes that run this place will
never see that because I'm not a big time star
or a nameless comedian. Yeah, and so I remember saying
to the time for me to beat Triple Am or
(02:03):
be on breakfast, I have to go across the road
and beat you guys. So I get great satisfaction whenever
the ratings come out and we're smashing Triple Am.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I love that. I live for that. You did it
a lot, so I made it my business. That's their loss,
that's their loss.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
You know, when we're talking about how men behave, how
men speak in public, how men actually think. I've been
very distressed at the rise of men like Andrew Tate.
There's this giant vacuum for how young boys feel and
how they're taught to behave. Andrew Tate is misogynistic and appalling.
(02:40):
And I don't think many people, many parents know what
their sons are looking at. What have you seen about
the messages young men are getting.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Well, the messages now are so easy to get. That's
the problem, you know, Like I over had my own
son listening to Andrew Tate for a while and we
had to sit.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Down and adult him.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We had to be a parent for a few weeks
there to make him understand what sort of filth that
bloke was coming up with. But unfortunately these young kids
it's so easy to find this information now they feel
attached to him in some way.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And is this because they see softer men as being weak?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So how do we change that?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, generation by generation, and I suppose that's what we do.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
It. Gotcha for Life is letting blokes know that it's
the different set of rules. Now what it takes to
be a boy to be a man. You've got sons yourself,
and you'd understand this. At the end of the day.
It is the most important thing to be real and
to be human, which means you feel all the feels.
And that's pretty much what Gotcha for Life is all
about building that emotional muscle so you can have a
conversation of gravity rather than just living in this BS
(03:39):
sort of banter land where people are just talking nonsense
just for the sake of it and filling up the words,
filling up the day with words which just make no
sense at all.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
So that's what I'm about.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
But it's going to take time, I reckon slightly, but
sure we are getting better.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But as you say you target, you have to target
younger and younger, which is why you've written a kid's book.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, exactly. We've been at Gotcha for Life now for
nine years. The last year or so we're focused on
primary schools and primary schools. We've got schools now doing
mentally fit primary schools.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Which is fantastic piloting with us.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Many schools in the Sydney area that would be listening now,
And this little book just sort of adds to that.
And this boy's not having a particularly good day, and
he just builds and builds and builds and holds onto
these emotions and then eventually he says to his dad,
I've had a tough day, and shows some real emotion
and cries, and then everything gets better. It doesn't mean
we burst into tears every five minutes or have deep
(04:29):
and meaningful conversations all the time, but just to be
able to be emotional, to be human. So many men,
Jones you of our age, have told me that their
emotional tap was turned off in the primary school at
the age of five, six or seven. They showed emotion
and someone said something to them. They felt so much shame,
so much guilt, They felt so bad They'll go I'm
never going to feel that way again. So all of
(04:51):
a sudden we shove everything down.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Yeah, you know, but those shows I married at first
sight when the women say I want someone who's vulnerable
and strong, and in a minute a man shows vulnerability,
do they time to man up?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So women aren't.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
But also when a man shows strength as well, like
if you speak directly, you can also at the same
time be accused of being a bully.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
And it's tricky. It's tricky.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It's a fine line.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It certainly is a fine line. And you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And those shows as well, I mean I ban those
shows as well, like most of them are absolutely rubbish.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But you know, I've actually gone on dating shows.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
As me looking like me, and we sit in front
of like ten girls and you have two minutes to
chat and I've got blokes next to me that look
like models. At the end of the two minutes, they go,
I want to date you me rather than.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
This other blake. And they're looking at me, going why
would they want to date you? I go, because I'm
real and I'm faired income. That's what girls really want
at the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They want someone who, of course you need to be
strong and not bursting into tears all the time, but
to show that you're human is absolutely what it's all about,
and that's what women want and blokes need to be
more like that. But we've been shoved it down our
throat all our lives to man up and shut up. Well,
it's time to man up and speak up. And that's
what I'm trying to do with this book and the
work at gotcha.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Good on you, mate, I love the book. It's a
great story. I like when he gets a bitten on
the bum.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
By a platypus, it can happen to.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Take ship lands on his foot. Of me, he's not
having a good time.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
This is just Gus Walland's weekend.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I want to congratulate you guys too on just all
your success and so thanks.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
So I'll tell that to the executives a triple M.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Well, very hard boys right here, and the view here
is beautiful and you've got a beautiful show and great
loyal listeners.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
The future is gold for us. Mate, Thank you, well done,
Thank you, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Gus Waller and check out the book Boys Do Cry,
available now.
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