June 17, 2024 • 4 mins
Marc Fennell joins Jonesy & Amanda following the release of the second season of 'Stuff the British Stole'.Â
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. If you love things historic,
you love our next guest, Mark Fannell.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He's gone to the edge of the earth to uncover
and unwrap some incredible historic artifacts, all stolen.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
By the British.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's a crossed the globe from Kenya to Canada and
everywhere in between, all he tells us in the name
of research. Yeah, all right, he's got this epic show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's up to season two. Stuff the British stole, Mark, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, how are you? I swear it was all of work.
I swear all of it with the work.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So stuff the British stole.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
As you say, there's enough now to be in season
number two. What's some of the stuff that you're uncovering
this time around.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, we've got everything from a mummified Egyptian child, to
things in the Crown jewels to actually seeds, the seeds
of rubber. The rubber plant were smuggled out of Brazil,
and Brazilians are still quite angry about it, and even
I think the biggest one of all is what they
call the pastor on marble sculptures, which sat on top
(00:59):
of the Acropolis in Greece for two thousand years. You
ask any Greek person about this and they will very
comfortably tell you that was stolen by the British.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Are they the Elgin marbles? Is that the same thing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, they get very upp at you if you call
it the Elgan marbles now, because Elgin is the guy
that took them apparently. See so where are the marbles now, Well,
they said, in the last two hundred years, sitting in
the British Museum in London. And for about that long
the Greeks and the British have argued over who owns them.
The Greeks say it was stolen and the British say,
(01:28):
well they bought it legally, and all's fair, and it's
raised for the longest time. And actually, one of the
things that we want to do is look a look
at people who are trying to solve the problem, which
is how he ended up on the top of this
mountain in Italy with a robot, the diamond tipped robot,
and a bunch of renegade archaeologists who are trying to
do a perfect three D replica in Italian marble of
(01:50):
the Parthenon marbles to give for free to the British
museum if they'll give the originals back to Greece. It's wild.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So the variety of things that you've found that the
British have taken, will the British ever gives them back?
Are there some that have been returned?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah? You know what, it's interesting. So over the years
we've the show started off as a podcast and then
became a TV show And one of the things we
did early on in the podcast was a bunch of
spears that was taken from the indigenous community around Botany Bay,
and actually they have been returned. Now I'm not claiming
credit for that. A lot of hard work went into that,
but I do think there is a look. It's also
(02:27):
like not every object necessarily needs to go home. I
think sometimes a lot of people are quite happy for
their work, their culture, their history to be an ambassador
for them over in the UK or America or whatever,
but most people would like them to at least tell
the truth about how they got them. You know, was
it a gift or was it a gift while somebody
was pointing a gun out to you? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That kind of because I guess what have they had
a receipt for the marbles.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Actually, it's funny that you say that, because that kind
of exists, right. So, at the time the marbles were
taken from Greece, the Greeks weren't actually in charge. It
was out of an Ottoman empire and the British that
Lord Elgin you mentioned earlier, he had this this letter
that was basically permission from what sort of like middle
management the Ottoman Empire is saying, hey, if something's fallen
(03:12):
down there, you can take a research. The problem is
he didn't just take things but falling down. He had
people go up there and carve huge chunks of marble
off the temple. And actually that receipt per se is
a copy. The original has never been found. So there's
the whole kind of legality of their ownership is pretty flimmed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And the British Museum would look quite different without all
these things.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Do you know what? It's something that you say that
because people often say that, and actually, at any one moment,
the British Museum has about one to five percent of
its entire collection on display, so you know what, they'd
probably be all right, They've got other stuff they can
fill it with. And I think there's a bigger question
of like do you if you take everything from you know,
from one place to a country of origin, you kind
of diminish our capacity to learn as well, which is
(03:59):
why it's not just out taking things back to where
they came from. That that would that would end up
being quite boring. We would learn less from each other.
But that doesn't mean you should necessarily lie about how
you got things. And I think the whole show is
really just a reaction to like when you walk through museums,
you see all this stuff that's got these nice polite parks,
but actually sometimes the real story about how they got
there is way more interesting. If nothing else, I've.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Got to make the nick to Craig Bow Craiglunds bumper
from his commodore back in do you see the British
Museum with be interested?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But that's up and he's shared.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's very proud of that because that was hard to get.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, there was a lot of pecks. You know what,
It doesn't hurt to ask, It doesn't hurt to ask
the British Museum and see if there are could happen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Interested in Craig lands as bumper, I'd want to receipt
that it's always great to talk to.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You can watch Stuff the British Style every Monday at
eight o'clock on the ABC and ABC I View Make
for Now. Thank you, thanks guys,
Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. If you love things historic,
you love our next guest, Mark Fannell.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He's gone to the edge of the earth to uncover
and unwrap some incredible historic artifacts, all stolen.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
By the British.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
He's a crossed the globe from Kenya to Canada and
everywhere in between, all he tells us in the name
of research. Yeah, all right, he's got this epic show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's up to season two. Stuff the British stole, Mark, Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, how are you? I swear it was all of work.
I swear all of it with the work.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So stuff the British stole.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
As you say, there's enough now to be in season
number two. What's some of the stuff that you're uncovering
this time around.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, we've got everything from a mummified Egyptian child, to
things in the Crown jewels to actually seeds, the seeds
of rubber. The rubber plant were smuggled out of Brazil,
and Brazilians are still quite angry about it, and even
I think the biggest one of all is what they
call the pastor on marble sculptures, which sat on top
(00:59):
of the Acropolis in Greece for two thousand years. You
ask any Greek person about this and they will very
comfortably tell you that was stolen by the British.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Are they the Elgin marbles? Is that the same thing?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, they get very upp at you if you call
it the Elgan marbles now, because Elgin is the guy
that took them apparently. See so where are the marbles now, Well,
they said, in the last two hundred years, sitting in
the British Museum in London. And for about that long
the Greeks and the British have argued over who owns them.
The Greeks say it was stolen and the British say,
(01:28):
well they bought it legally, and all's fair, and it's
raised for the longest time. And actually, one of the
things that we want to do is look a look
at people who are trying to solve the problem, which
is how he ended up on the top of this
mountain in Italy with a robot, the diamond tipped robot,
and a bunch of renegade archaeologists who are trying to
do a perfect three D replica in Italian marble of
(01:50):
the Parthenon marbles to give for free to the British
museum if they'll give the originals back to Greece. It's wild.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So the variety of things that you've found that the
British have taken, will the British ever gives them back?
Are there some that have been returned?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah? You know what, it's interesting. So over the years
we've the show started off as a podcast and then
became a TV show And one of the things we
did early on in the podcast was a bunch of
spears that was taken from the indigenous community around Botany Bay,
and actually they have been returned. Now I'm not claiming
credit for that. A lot of hard work went into that,
but I do think there is a look. It's also
(02:27):
like not every object necessarily needs to go home. I
think sometimes a lot of people are quite happy for
their work, their culture, their history to be an ambassador
for them over in the UK or America or whatever,
but most people would like them to at least tell
the truth about how they got them. You know, was
it a gift or was it a gift while somebody
was pointing a gun out to you? You know what
I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
That kind of because I guess what have they had
a receipt for the marbles.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Actually, it's funny that you say that, because that kind
of exists, right. So, at the time the marbles were
taken from Greece, the Greeks weren't actually in charge. It
was out of an Ottoman empire and the British that
Lord Elgin you mentioned earlier, he had this this letter
that was basically permission from what sort of like middle
management the Ottoman Empire is saying, hey, if something's fallen
(03:12):
down there, you can take a research. The problem is
he didn't just take things but falling down. He had
people go up there and carve huge chunks of marble
off the temple. And actually that receipt per se is
a copy. The original has never been found. So there's
the whole kind of legality of their ownership is pretty flimmed.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
And the British Museum would look quite different without all
these things.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Do you know what? It's something that you say that
because people often say that, and actually, at any one moment,
the British Museum has about one to five percent of
its entire collection on display, so you know what, they'd
probably be all right, They've got other stuff they can
fill it with. And I think there's a bigger question
of like do you if you take everything from you know,
from one place to a country of origin, you kind
of diminish our capacity to learn as well, which is
(03:59):
why it's not just out taking things back to where
they came from. That that would that would end up
being quite boring. We would learn less from each other.
But that doesn't mean you should necessarily lie about how
you got things. And I think the whole show is
really just a reaction to like when you walk through museums,
you see all this stuff that's got these nice polite parks,
but actually sometimes the real story about how they got
there is way more interesting. If nothing else, I've.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Got to make the nick to Craig Bow Craiglunds bumper
from his commodore back in do you see the British
Museum with be interested?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But that's up and he's shared.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's very proud of that because that was hard to get.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, there was a lot of pecks. You know what,
It doesn't hurt to ask, It doesn't hurt to ask
the British Museum and see if there are could happen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Interested in Craig lands as bumper, I'd want to receipt
that it's always great to talk to.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
You can watch Stuff the British Style every Monday at
eight o'clock on the ABC and ABC I View Make
for Now. Thank you, thanks guys,
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