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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I heard podcasts, hear more kiss podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
The Free Heart.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Now with Courios the podcast. So we've got Maddie, our
producer in the studio with us now. Maddy twenty two weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Pregnant, nearly twenty three.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, congratulations, thank you. And you don't know what you're
having yet.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
No, it's going to be surprised, Okay, surprise baby.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, And so this is and it feels like this
has been a good pregnancy, Like, you haven't really been sick.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
No, I've been very very lucky. I have had such
a smooth kind of pregnancy so far. I haven't been
overly sick or anything.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And no, naisier.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I had some naisea in the first trimester, but that
kind of ended about twelve weeks, so then pretty much
second trimester has just been I've been very very lucky.
I'm just loving this time at the moment, like I
really am just feeling like so much happiness and connection
to my body and the baby and everything's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How are you feeling, Yeah, lots of So.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
My placenta is prosterior, so I started feeling the baby
at like seventeen weeks which is amazing, and so I
feel a lot of movement.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's great. What are you looking forward to? What's that
like when you have the baby? What are you looking
forward to?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Honestly, the moment like after labor is done and the
baby is given to me and I find out what
we're having, and that moment, like that first moment meeting
my baby. But I think as well, seeing my parents
become grandparents for the first time, my partner Joel becoming
a dad, I just think yeah, and also the transformation
from myself becoming a mother.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I just am really excited for all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Are you doing lots of classes?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Are they?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, I've been doing the hospital classes, which are incredible.
But I've also just signed up for hypno birthing, which
sounds really rue wou, But it's really about like connection
to your body and feeling educated and prepared, and it's
I'm very excited for hypno birth hypno birthing. Yes, yes,
it's kind of like getting into like your breathing and
your zone and like getting into labor and preparing yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So and your partner won't need any like painkillers and stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Well, I guess the aim is to assist you with
the most natural birth possible. So that's obviously the aim.
I would love to have a very natural birth, so yes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And what about when the baby, like when the baby
starts getting bigger, there's the stuff you're looking forward to, like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I think so, like dressing up the baby.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, like buy nice clothes.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
All the cute clothes, and places going out, going on holiday.
I actually spoke with my partner Jole about potentially going
to Japan right, hopefully before the babies even one. I'd
love to do it at like the end of.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Next year, right, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You should do it.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, Christmas with the cherry possible. Yeah, beautiful. This sounds
like a lovely.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm confused, what's going on? You just called me in here,
and I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And we're inviting people to get involved in thirteen one
oh sixty five. I am conscious that I've seen it happen.
That's a lot of mums like to frighten pregnant young
ladies with stories of horrific stories of the birth, and
I don't I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, because that's let me tell you that my first child,
I had an epidural and my next two I did
one hundred percent naturally because I wanted to, and the
experience was entirely different. And as much as it's painful,
giving birth is one of the greatest things that will
(03:38):
ever happen in your life. So regardless of what anyone
is going to say, moving hold on to that you
can do it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But what I wanted to because my little Siena's now
eighteen months and she's had she's on her sixth or
seventh bout of gastro this year, and I was thinking
the other day, I thought, you know what, no one
warned me about how much vomit would be a part
of my life. And I because she and you don't
(04:14):
get a warning from a tiny bed because they don't
know what's happening. So you'll have your cute little princess
in a beautiful little pink tracksuit walking towards you, sort
of just doing a light cough and then just vomiting.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I know I've seen babies vomit, isn't it just like
a little bit of milk.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Out, and it's so much. The tiny little bodies have
so much vomit in them, and they cover you and
then the couch and then the car, and you get
to a point in life where you try to get
the baby to vomit on you so that you clean
up less furniture, and no one.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Tells you I can deal with it a little bit
of vomit.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It's not a little bit. It's so love and I
hate vomiting my life.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I vomited less than ten times in my life and
my relationship with vomit now we're best friends.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Don't say again, So what are you wanting to to do?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Here?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Are you wanting to go thirteen one sixty five where
you have some Cogan vouchers?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was honestly about after your birth, you beautifun it's.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
After the reality, the reality of having a child, becoming
a mom.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You're sick of hearing me walk around all positive.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
About my my.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No one warned me, okay in there that.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Was gonna happen. We're gonna have listeners call in and
reality check me right now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's right, That's what Kip wants to do.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
If you've got words of encouragement as well, feel free
tom it.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Sure through, Sure, I don't feel like you go toteen
and we're just sharing things that we wish we'd known
before the baby came, before you thought of it, so
you knew just so you know when it happens, you're like, oh,
that's right, this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
We've been having a few conversations in the song there
and yeah, there's a lot happening and I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now it won't exist, Yes.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
It will change.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You want to do a hypno natural birth.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yes, I'm doing hypno birth and classes. I've just signed up.
I want to do an all natural birth. I'm really
really excited to become a mother and dress up my baby.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And you know I plan to go on a holiday
at the end of next year. Okay, So how good
are you with pain? Ah?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Such a weird question, would I get it?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I mean, like, I'm I think I've never broken a
bone before, so I can't say papercuts?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, not very good.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
What's the most pain you've ever been in? Do you
remember it?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The most pain I've ever been in? I mean, look,
to be fair, I get pretty bad cramps.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Around okay times by a hundred, and when the contractions
start they're ten minutes apart. By the time you're starting
to birth, they're coming on top of each other. Okay,
And there's a thing when the head crowns that they
called the ring of fire, and there will be nothing
(07:15):
as painful.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But what ring?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
What really talking about.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Fire?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Like a figure of speech, though.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
It's a different.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's just that I get pretty bad, gramps. It's really
got to stop it. Emma, Emma, out of man. Cotton
is on the phone. I Ema, what do you wish
you knew?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, I didn't know the sex of my son when
I had my second child. He's twelve now, and so
it was very exciting. In the birthing sleet. I actually
had to have a cesarean, so you had the sheet
up from your chest you can't see anything going on,
and all of the stuff were really excited because lots
of people know the sex. So everyone was buzzing with excitement.
(08:14):
And they said, here's your baby. And I look up
and it is his massive red testicles.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In my face because this swollen.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You can show me the baby. It was just the
bomb and the hugeadful.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The genitalia is swollen.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You see the huge testicle. That's normal, but it might
be the first thing you see.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's very confronting.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, And Also the child is covered in like mucus,
like you're not. It's not a Hollywood baby where you
get handed this clean.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I've heard of this, but I've never watched a burst elephant.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Okay, and then they handed to you and go love it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Ray, Hey, Ray, Hey, what would you like to tell Maddy?
Speaker 7 (09:07):
I had so much but this one was.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It's hilarious. I have two kids, the youngest is eight
months old, and the ring of fire.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Just killed me.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
True my epidirl, My epidol literally failed and only worked
on one side of my bar. I felt the ring.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Of fire, so that actually does happen.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah, and I was not prepared for that, they warn you.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
But the real ring on fire, it feels.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Because cramp is it's like wonderful compare to and they
put the drip on you. You remember the drip. The
drip is the devil. That thing is not Janus. Work
like that kills you.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And you know you can and you can tear like
if the baby's head is much bigger than you're capable of.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Extre's more like if you if you don't stop pushing,
they're like when you're pushing right, and they say, okay,
they explained to you the ring of fire.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
But when you're pushing, they tell you.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
When we tell you to stop pushing, you need.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
To stop, yes, otherwise what happens is.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Your tears when that ring the fire.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thing is happening.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And because I had the epidural the first one, I
didn't feel anything. I continued because I couldn't. You can't
feel anything, And then I did it because of the.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Oh yeah yeah. And then what I was not preparing
is the twenty doctors and then the surgeon came in
and they started checking everything and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
This is not in my birth plan personally.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
One other thing is that you also have to birth
the placenter. Oh, so once the baby's out you, the placenta,
which has kept the baby alive for the whole time
in vitro second birth has to then come out of
you and it's still attached. So you have to then
birth the placenta.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And I've seen a picture of placenta before. Actually, yeah,
that's not a tiny little da.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Tomahawk's day exactly it looks.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So we need to do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
As we're moving forward and we're here for another week,
I feel like we should revisit now we've done the birth,
let's do the first six weeks, so we'll take you.
We'll do some more and people can contribute, and you're.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Going to talk about the newborn bubble and how.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Nice it is. Yes, and Ray for getting involved. Two
hundred bucks to spend at cogancogain dot COM's Black Friday
sale is on now. Click and awesome film
I heard podcasts, hear more kiss podcasts, playlists, and listen
live on.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
The Free Heart.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Now with Courios the podcast. So we've got Maddie, our
producer in the studio with us now. Maddy twenty two weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Pregnant, nearly twenty three.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yes, congratulations, thank you. And you don't know what you're
having yet.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
No, it's going to be surprised, Okay, surprise baby.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, And so this is and it feels like this
has been a good pregnancy, Like, you haven't really been sick.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
No, I've been very very lucky. I have had such
a smooth kind of pregnancy so far. I haven't been
overly sick or anything.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
And no, naisier.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
I had some naisea in the first trimester, but that
kind of ended about twelve weeks, so then pretty much
second trimester has just been I've been very very lucky.
I'm just loving this time at the moment, like I
really am just feeling like so much happiness and connection
to my body and the baby and everything's amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
How are you feeling, Yeah, lots of So.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
My placenta is prosterior, so I started feeling the baby
at like seventeen weeks which is amazing, and so I
feel a lot of movement.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's great. What are you looking forward to? What's that
like when you have the baby? What are you looking
forward to?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Honestly, the moment like after labor is done and the
baby is given to me and I find out what
we're having, and that moment, like that first moment meeting
my baby. But I think as well, seeing my parents
become grandparents for the first time, my partner Joel becoming
a dad, I just think yeah, and also the transformation
from myself becoming a mother.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I just am really excited for all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Are you doing lots of classes?
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Are they?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, I've been doing the hospital classes, which are incredible.
But I've also just signed up for hypno birthing, which
sounds really rue wou, But it's really about like connection
to your body and feeling educated and prepared, and it's
I'm very excited for hypno birth hypno birthing. Yes, yes,
it's kind of like getting into like your breathing and
your zone and like getting into labor and preparing yourself.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
So and your partner won't need any like painkillers and stuff.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Well, I guess the aim is to assist you with
the most natural birth possible. So that's obviously the aim.
I would love to have a very natural birth, so yes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
And what about when the baby, like when the baby
starts getting bigger, there's the stuff you're looking forward to, like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
I think so, like dressing up the baby.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, like buy nice clothes.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
All the cute clothes, and places going out, going on holiday.
I actually spoke with my partner Jole about potentially going
to Japan right, hopefully before the babies even one. I'd
love to do it at like the end of.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
Next year, right, I'll do it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You should do it.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, Christmas with the cherry possible. Yeah, beautiful. This sounds
like a lovely.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I'm confused, what's going on? You just called me in here,
and I'm like, well.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
And we're inviting people to get involved in thirteen one
oh sixty five. I am conscious that I've seen it happen.
That's a lot of mums like to frighten pregnant young
ladies with stories of horrific stories of the birth, and
I don't I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, because that's let me tell you that my first child,
I had an epidural and my next two I did
one hundred percent naturally because I wanted to, and the
experience was entirely different. And as much as it's painful,
giving birth is one of the greatest things that will
(03:38):
ever happen in your life. So regardless of what anyone
is going to say, moving hold on to that you
can do it.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But what I wanted to because my little Siena's now
eighteen months and she's had she's on her sixth or
seventh bout of gastro this year, and I was thinking
the other day, I thought, you know what, no one
warned me about how much vomit would be a part
of my life. And I because she and you don't
(04:14):
get a warning from a tiny bed because they don't
know what's happening. So you'll have your cute little princess
in a beautiful little pink tracksuit walking towards you, sort
of just doing a light cough and then just vomiting.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
I know I've seen babies vomit, isn't it just like
a little bit of milk.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Out, and it's so much. The tiny little bodies have
so much vomit in them, and they cover you and
then the couch and then the car, and you get
to a point in life where you try to get
the baby to vomit on you so that you clean
up less furniture, and no one.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Tells you I can deal with it a little bit
of vomit.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
It's not a little bit. It's so love and I
hate vomiting my life.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I reckon.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I vomited less than ten times in my life and
my relationship with vomit now we're best friends.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Don't say again, So what are you wanting to to do?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Here?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Are you wanting to go thirteen one sixty five where
you have some Cogan vouchers?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was honestly about after your birth, you beautifun it's.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
After the reality, the reality of having a child, becoming
a mom.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
You're sick of hearing me walk around all positive.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
About my my.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
No one warned me, okay in there that.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Was gonna happen. We're gonna have listeners call in and
reality check me right now.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's right, That's what Kip wants to do.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
If you've got words of encouragement as well, feel free
tom it.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Sure through, Sure, I don't feel like you go toteen
and we're just sharing things that we wish we'd known
before the baby came, before you thought of it, so
you knew just so you know when it happens, you're like, oh,
that's right, this is going to happen.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
We've been having a few conversations in the song there
and yeah, there's a lot happening and I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Now it won't exist, Yes.
Speaker 5 (06:15):
It will change.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
You want to do a hypno natural birth.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yes, I'm doing hypno birth and classes. I've just signed up.
I want to do an all natural birth. I'm really
really excited to become a mother and dress up my baby.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
And you know I plan to go on a holiday
at the end of next year. Okay, So how good
are you with pain? Ah?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Such a weird question, would I get it?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I mean, like, I'm I think I've never broken a
bone before, so I can't say papercuts?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Well, not very good.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
What's the most pain you've ever been in? Do you
remember it?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
The most pain I've ever been in? I mean, look,
to be fair, I get pretty bad cramps.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Around okay times by a hundred, and when the contractions
start they're ten minutes apart. By the time you're starting
to birth, they're coming on top of each other. Okay,
And there's a thing when the head crowns that they
called the ring of fire, and there will be nothing
(07:15):
as painful.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
But what ring?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
What really talking about.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
Fire?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Like a figure of speech, though.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
It's a different.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
It's just that I get pretty bad, gramps. It's really
got to stop it. Emma, Emma, out of man. Cotton
is on the phone. I Ema, what do you wish
you knew?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, I didn't know the sex of my son when
I had my second child. He's twelve now, and so
it was very exciting. In the birthing sleet. I actually
had to have a cesarean, so you had the sheet
up from your chest you can't see anything going on,
and all of the stuff were really excited because lots
of people know the sex. So everyone was buzzing with excitement.
(08:14):
And they said, here's your baby. And I look up
and it is his massive red testicles.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In my face because this swollen.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You can show me the baby. It was just the
bomb and the hugeadful.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
The genitalia is swollen.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You see the huge testicle. That's normal, but it might
be the first thing you see.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's very confronting.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Okay, And Also the child is covered in like mucus,
like you're not. It's not a Hollywood baby where you
get handed this clean.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I've heard of this, but I've never watched a burst elephant.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Okay, and then they handed to you and go love it.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Ray, Hey, Ray, Hey, what would you like to tell Maddy?
Speaker 7 (09:07):
I had so much but this one was.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
It's hilarious. I have two kids, the youngest is eight
months old, and the ring of fire.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Just killed me.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
True my epidirl, My epidol literally failed and only worked
on one side of my bar. I felt the ring.
Speaker 7 (09:25):
Of fire, so that actually does happen.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Yeah, and I was not prepared for that, they warn you.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
But the real ring on fire, it feels.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
Because cramp is it's like wonderful compare to and they
put the drip on you. You remember the drip. The
drip is the devil. That thing is not Janus. Work
like that kills you.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
And you know you can and you can tear like
if the baby's head is much bigger than you're capable of.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Extre's more like if you if you don't stop pushing,
they're like when you're pushing right, and they say, okay,
they explained to you the ring of fire.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
But when you're pushing, they tell you.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
When we tell you to stop pushing, you need.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
To stop, yes, otherwise what happens is.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Your tears when that ring the fire.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Thing is happening.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
And because I had the epidural the first one, I
didn't feel anything. I continued because I couldn't. You can't
feel anything, And then I did it because of the.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Oh yeah yeah. And then what I was not preparing
is the twenty doctors and then the surgeon came in
and they started checking everything and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
This is not in my birth plan personally.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
One other thing is that you also have to birth
the placenter. Oh, so once the baby's out you, the placenta,
which has kept the baby alive for the whole time
in vitro second birth has to then come out of
you and it's still attached. So you have to then
birth the placenta.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And I've seen a picture of placenta before. Actually, yeah,
that's not a tiny little da.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Tomahawk's day exactly it looks.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
So we need to do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
As we're moving forward and we're here for another week,
I feel like we should revisit now we've done the birth,
let's do the first six weeks, so we'll take you.
We'll do some more and people can contribute, and you're.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Going to talk about the newborn bubble and how.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Nice it is. Yes, and Ray for getting involved. Two
hundred bucks to spend at cogancogain dot COM's Black Friday
sale is on now. Click and awesome film
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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