November 7, 2025 • 37 mins
Jana finally gets her dream guest on the show - a private investigator who reveals exactly how to catch a cheater. Plus, the dark manipulation technique tricking women into the bed...and even Jana has fallen for it!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The gentleman who had ninety grams of cocaine secreted in
his suitcase without his knowledge.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So herpes is a forever thing.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's for Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm sorry, but you
have got a bit grim to date at the moment.
Welcome back. I'm Jannah Hocking, sex and dating columnists for
Daily Mail. Joining me is MC radio extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now coming up, we.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Are chatting to a private investigatory tonight, but not any
private investigator. This is a guy who deals with billionaires
like they get him to do background checks on women
that they're growing today, or should I say because there's female.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
From the moment we started this show, you have been
banging on about wanting to speak to a PI tonight
the nights.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We've finally found one in he's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So he's going to tell us all the tips and
tricks and some wild stories.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But we weren't viral, we.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Did, and not in the time where you need to
visit a pharmacy to get something to fix yourself up,
like the good kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Viral, no antibotics required.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Who We had Marguerite and Nazarenko on the show last week.
Who is a TikToker famous for her brutal dating advice,
and she kind of took me to town and told
me exactly where I was going wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And can I just say, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Ruined my dating life, It's ruined debt on us.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Because I started thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So I had a few interactions with men this week.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And they weren't good because I had her in my head.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And this one guy, for some reason, can only ever
see me on a Monday. And he was He's always
happy to come to me, But then she got in
my head and I was like, well, why isn't he
taking me on proper dates? Why can he only see
me on Monday? And so then when he called, because
he's got their kids and stuff, he's a bit of
a Peter Pan and we're chatting away and he's like, yeah,
(01:52):
Friday night, I went for a card tonight and I've
got like I'm going to waste us on Saturday. And
I started thinking, fixcus me, what can you tell me
that like the only time you have freezer Monday when
I'm hearing you doing all this amazing stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So then he asked if he could come over this
last Monday. Thanks to Margarita, I said no.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I called it off and I even typed into chat
GPT he's a cheat, cheap everyone.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I put the whole dilama into chat CHPT and I said,
what would Margarite, and there's a rainco say about this?
Chachipt said, Margarita would tell you absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He's taking the piers. And then I said, would you
like me to write a text to him back? And
I said yes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It wrote me the best text that was like, I'm
going to pass on you coming over on Monday, but
when you decide you want to take me on a
real date, look me up.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
I sent it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What can't chat GPT do? Hi?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I know it's so good?
Speaker 7 (02:46):
What can't it do?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I was very tempted to call Margarita, but I was like, no,
don't be annoying.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Did we want to back on this show again? So
she's making me get rid.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Of my roster one by one, but I think long
term I'll be happy about it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Go Margaret, read a Nazarenka and yeah for CHATJPTO.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So there is a vile, subconscious trick that pick up
artists are using at the moment, And once I heard
about it, I realized that actually.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's been used on me before I pick up artists.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The thing, are there people out there that are just
just trying to pick up for sport, Like it's the
thrill of the chase to use these techniques to try
and get someone.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Into dark arts.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And they're using it all over TikTok at the moment,
So any guy can go on find these toxic TikTok
videos people like men explaining how to trick women into bed.
It's dark, it's gross. It started in two thousand and
five with the book the game It's vould, but I
heard about it recently and realized it's definitely been used
(03:48):
on me. But I want to I want to set
the scene and you tell me if you can see.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Where the dark art mastery.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I really got to pay attention.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Right, Okay, So like a few months ago, I went
on a date. We went to a wine bar and
we had some nice wines and it was beautiful and
it was general chit chat.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Then he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner
because it was going well. Okay, perfect, I would love.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
To go for dinner.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
We went for dinner. Then the chat got a little
bit more bonding like it was like where you're from,
where did you grow up? Do you have brothers, do
you have sisters? What's your ex history? Like like it
was a little bit deeper. And then after that and
a bottle of wine, we then went for a big
romantic walk around Sydney Harborough. So now we've got three
different spots. We've gone to the wine bar, we've gone
(04:35):
to dinner, and then we've gone for a big walk.
Then I will admit by then I felt like I
knew him quite well. So then yes, I did go
home and have amazing sex with him, but I did
wake up the next day kind of going, oh, I
was going to take this a little bit slower than that.
Can you see where the dark art trickery came into place.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I feel like I would have gone home and had
sex with because I'm the magical day hang on hand,
there is something in there that he's used that is
some TikTok dating trend to get women into bed.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, and it worked.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Like all he did was say let's go to a
restaurant because we're having fun, asked you questions about yourself,
which feels like you should take an interest, and then
said let's go for a walk.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Okay, so let me play you this video.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What missing something?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
If?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was Andrew Huberman on the Chris Williamson podcast, and
he explained this in called progressive context bonding.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And used in the wrong way, it will trick women
into bed. Let me play it for.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
You've been well established that if two people, for instance,
go three different places in a given day, they tend
to feel like they know each other far better than
if they stayed in one place, even for a longer
period of time.
Speaker 9 (05:47):
Did you know that piccapartists were weaponizing this about fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Oh no, it doesn't surprise me, but I'm sorry to
hear it.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
It was a common held wisdom in the picapart this
community that you were supposed to have a three location
date to manipulate precisely to make the girl feel like
you had progressed further down the maturation process of spending
time together.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So in him taking you to three different things, you're going,
he's really into me, He's really into this date. He's
putting so much thought into this. Look at all the
stuff that we're doing. You're thinking he's more interesting than
maybe he actually is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And you also feel like you've known him for years
because you've been bonding in three different spots. It's exactly
the same as they say, the best first date you
can do gets thee adrenaline going, So you should go
on a date where it's a scary movie or you
go bungee jumping or something like that, because you bond
together when the heart rate is going faster.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
This is kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
When you're going to three different places in one day,
it feels like you've been on three dates. It's quite
tricky anyway, So then I became really really paranoid, and
this guy already had like a player.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Kind of reputation.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I did call another girl who had also been
on a date with him, because everyone where I live,
everyone by my age, has dated everyone, and she said
he did.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The exact same thing to her.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You men, you BG So then I actually went a
little bit further. So then he of course, because I'm
not gonna lie, it was a magical night out again,
and he suggested the same kind of thing, and I
said to him, well, why don't we do a Sunday
brunch because I was like, it's one location and it's
got a cut off time and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We didn't go on another date.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He used the three date trickery and that's all it takes.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Take her on three different locations on the date. Wham bam,
thank you man in the sack, just like that.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So women be careful.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I would say, if you want to take it slow
with the guy, I mean, if you want to have
sex on the first night, no shame.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I've never regretted it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I've dated three guys that I've had sex with on.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The first night. That aside.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If you do want to take it slow and get
to know guys, just go to one location and have
a heart out. Now listen, guys, while the rest of
us do a quick Instagram stok before a date, billionaires
are outsourcing it. Our guest today is Oliver Lawrence, a
private investigator hired by the rich and powerful to dig
into their potential lover's past. So I'm so excited. He's
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a man who finds out if that stunning new girlfriend
is a soulmate or a scammer. From the secret double
lives to hidden marriages, He's seen it all. So what
exactly are the world's wealthiest people trying to hide? And
how do they protect themselves from.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Heartbreak, he joins us to spill the tea.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Welcome Oliver, good morning, good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Thanks for having me, Thanks for joining us all the
way from the UK. Now I want to know because
you did this amazing interview in the Times newspaper about
your line of work, and you gave an example of
a guy who's not a one billionaire, he's a two
billionaire and he uses your services now before he even
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goes on a date to do a background check on
women on you know, are they just after his money?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Can they be trusted?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Can you tell us a bit about that case, because
what you had to say about it was so interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, there's a couple of layists that because that individual
actually found themselves in a bit of a pickle a
few years ago when they had engaged in the services
of escorts and for some bizarre reason, it decided to
film themselves engaging in one of these lude acts on
the iPad, which was shared up to the cloud, which
then dropped onto the wife's iPad and she found out
(09:39):
about this sort of rather lude behavior in the most
sort of horrifying way. That ultimately that started a bit
of a black mail event in terms of she created
a pseudo character trying to get as much money from
him as possible before she leaked this footage out to
the world. So you know, not only did she take
(09:59):
the matters into her own hands, she then started and
was part of this real emotional rollercoaster, started to use
that information that she had got from him against him,
and he had absolutely no idea who was doing it
to him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You also deal with people who think their partners are cheating.
What is the dumbest mistakes people who are cheating? Do
they get some caught instantly?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
One of the biggest telltale signs for me is the
security over one's phone, right, you know, very protective over messages,
changing the access codes, not allowing a loved one to
go anywhere near that device because they're worried about what
messages might pop in there. Those are a couple of
the biggest ones for me. Unusual out of kilter business
(10:44):
trips away is another one. Or having a personal assistant
who is new and overly helpful and seems to be
in one's life more than would be typically normal.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So there are few ones that we sort of generally
pick up on.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And what's the most shocking thing you've uncovered during an
infidelity case, Like what's genuinely shocked you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I worked on a case several years ago with a
gentleman who had ninety grams of cocaine secreted in his
suitcase without his knowledge that it meant or that it
ended up him in prison in Singapore and Changy facing
significant charges and the potential of the death penalty. Now,
(11:33):
there are a number of assumptions which can draw us
to how that occurred, either inside outside out of the family,
but that laid him into very difficult waters, right, And
what I found there is human behavior will do anything
to ensure that somebody can manipulate a situation.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, So say it was a wife who needed her
husband to be gone for a long time. He was
planted so he'd get Yeah, so she planned to would
be locked up. You would have to hate that person
so much to want them to go to jail for life,
if not death penalty.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Okay. I don't think that can be topped.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Wild stories, but you've given me an idea. So if
I wanted to hire you, say I was married, Lol,
Say I was married and I thought my husband was cheating,
and I wanted you to find out how much am
I out of pocket for your very worthwhile services.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, so typically, you know, if you look at surveillance,
and I'll do the stuff in Australian dollars easier, So
one hundred and ten one hundred and twenty dollars an
hour for covert surveillance you're looking at, you're looking at
generally probably fifteen twenty hours were upfront that will generally
carry out. You're looking at a bit of open source
intelligence work. We're talking about it, all that online stuff.
(12:55):
I would say most matrimonial cases that come across my
table have a minimum starting fee of about eight to
ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Eight to ten thousand dollars to find out if your
partner is cheating.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Spend money to save.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Some money again, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Have you ever felt in danger in your job, like,
have you ever been threatened or have you ever been
caught surveillancing someone?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, there's always the risk of being courtless. And I
sit at the senior end of my company now, so
I very rarely get my hands on the tools. But
I've been leading in the past few years of a
kidnapping in Antigua of a chat that was subject to
being trapped by a very good young lady from eastern Europe.
A certain state in the world wanted in return, but
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didn't want to follow the extradition laws of the country
that he was in, so they decided to kidnap him.
And I'd spent sort of three years in country investigating
that post is kidnapping, and we had people following us,
government agents, police officers, various different people, So those times
can get tense, get quite nervous, but ultimately you know
they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
There is a lot of honey traps as well that
we don't even know that's going on. So women who
are being quite savvy for these millionaires and billionaires and
putting them in situations maybe with extortion.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Our first rule of fun is we never pay the
escorts or the honey traps or the people seeking the money,
right because the minute you start paying, it just keeps coming.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I want more, I want more, I want more. So
we try to understand where these people, who are, where
these people are, who they are, and what process we
can engage lawfully to shut this down. But they are
very tricky and it's one of the greatest risks for
very wealthy people to get involved in that environment.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Men, let this be a lesson stop sending dick pics. Yeah,
now we have had an influx of listeners writing will
slide into our dms, as the young generations say, with
questions that they would love to ask you, Oliver. So
the first one comes from Laura.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What are some of them most common signs people ignore
before finding out they were being cheated.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On extensive periods away from the home, which are unnecessary
business trips which don't need to be taken, or a
sudden increase in business trips, not attending family events and
going off and doing other bits and pieces. As I say,
you know, I can't understate the whole mobile phone thing, right,
You've got to have an ability to communicate with someone.
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So the discovery of a second mobile phone you never knew.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Do you know what a guy did to me the
other day? I thought this was quite crafty. They're such idiots.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm a sex columnist, but I get so many married
men slide into my DMS on the regular, and this one.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Guy did it in such a clever way.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He sent me pictures in my DMS on my Instagram
but he had written what he wanted to write to
me on post it notes and then put it in
the You know how you can send a picture in
DMS where appears.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
After once you look at it, the photo disappears.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Exactly and you can't screenshot it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I was like, you level, like that's how he was
trying to float with me, And I'm like, you're an
idiot because I'm going.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
To write about this. But yeah, you guys are savvy.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Okay. The next one is from Casey.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Have you ever caught someone cheating in the act or
in a really unexpected way?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
There is the odd occasion where you find all this
sort of you know, the lust and the excitement in
cars going on right, you know, if the car's rocking,
don't go knocking, well will come knocking, right, Because for
us it's about saying or or you know what's going on,
you know, filming all the stuff and then moving on.
But it does go on, you know, people do We
do find people in the acts, you know, entering into
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what I call Shenanigan's Josh asks, how.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Can someone get the information or evidence themselves before going
to the extremes of hiring a PI.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So clating telephone numbers that you don't recognize on a phone,
which can be helpful running Google searches on those numbers. Now,
if they're escort services, they should come up pretty quickly,
although they rotate through their numbers every couple of months.
You could get a hit, right. Email accounts is the
same thing. You can use email searches. If you have
a picture of or if you find evidence of escorts, right,
(17:07):
or images of women, you can run those through obviously
image searches now through Google or AI and it will
find those images online and you'll be able obviously take
you to the relevant websites, so you can start to
build up the intelligence portfolio yourself before coming to us
and wanting the actual evidence. But sometimes they want to
know why, right, There's a lot of people that get
mostly attached these cases and go, what is this escort
(17:28):
doing right that I'm not doing in the bedroom, or
what is going on? You know, I give them all
this love and all this affection, and.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
The answer to what are they doing is they're getting pegged.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I'm going to escort friend, and you said that they
all come to get pegged.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I've given you all a heart attack.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And final question from Tyler. Has anyone ever hired you
to spy on their exer's new partner just out of pettiness.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, we try to minimize those scenarios, if I'm honest
with you, just purely out of respect for people's But
it is a fairly regular occurrence that we get asked,
you know, like my partner's move on, but I want
to know what they're doing, and we say, listen, it's
a bit unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Now it's time for therapy, not a pi' time to process.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
If anyone's been listening to this and they want to
engage in a PI, is it as simple as just
jumping on Google finding someone? Is there a place where
people can go so they know they're getting someone that's
actually going to help them be legit.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
There are a thousand investigators like me around the world.
I listen, I'm fairly nuanced. In fact, I service the
rich and famous around the world, navigates some of their
biggest problems. That's my world now. But there are investigators
of all different myriads, scales and sizes.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I have a very good friend of mine, David King
up on the Gold Coast, who runs a company called
Lipstick investigations right specializes in this sort of nefarious work.
Right Dave superb him and his team.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You lived up to my private investigator dreams.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You gave us the best information.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I've still got a million questions, but we can't steal
you forever.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Listen, absolute pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.
And as I say, if you think there's a problem
out there, get in touch, let's chat about it, let's
explore it. And I wish you all the best.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
What I love most about you is that you're here
for the people, and you're here to help those when
they need it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, someone needs it this week, and this actually left
me stumped for a little while. But we've had someone
ride in, they wrote.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Dear Saucy Secrets.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
A year after my divorce, I went through what can
only be described as my eat prey shag face.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes go, yes go.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I was in my forties, finally free and determined to
make up for lost time. I dated, traveled and said
yes to things I never would have before. And in
the middle of all that, I caught her piece.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Oh me know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
At first I was devastated. I felt dirty, ashamed, and
completely terrified of telling anyone, But then I got educated
and I learned to manage it, and after a while
I accepted it as part of my story.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
We love to hear it. The problem is.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now that I'm ready for something real again, I don't
know how to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
When do you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Do you do it before the first date, before sex,
after you know you like each other. I'm terrified of
being rejected, but I also don't want to live in
fear or deception. It's such a small part of my
life now, but it feels like the thing that could
ruin everything. How do I tell someone without it defining me?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Signed? Healing but hesitant?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Can I just ask a really stupid question I'm not
seeing everybody already knows the answer to except for me.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So herpes is a forever thing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's for yeah, yeah, yeah, clearly.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I thought that was just one of those things we
could go to the chemist and get some kind of
medication and get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is for life.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh and then there's all difference.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So I had to do a deep dive.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I was like your Google history, like your search history,
I hope, like no government agencies or anything ever get
a hold of your computer.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Because the things that you'd be looking up.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I know they are wild they are wilde.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I am definitely on a few watch lists, But this okay,
So I did look into it. First of all, I
say breathe because it turns out a lot of people
have it. At the moment, they're saying one in eight
Australians have it, but they're saying half a billion people
worldwide have it.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
So there could be someone in this room right now
with us that could which of you's got it?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Hands up?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What I would say is breathe easy. Know that you're
not the only person in the world who is going
to have to sit someone down and tell them. But
do I think you say it on the first date? No, no, no,
I don't think you say it until you've actually got
to know. The thing is, now that you've got it,
you are going to have to slow down and actually
get to know your dates and figure out if you
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even like them, because I think if you tell them
too soon, you're you're putting your trust in someone's hands that.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You don't even know.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
You've got to learn whether or not this person's a
decade or not, and whether they are mature enough to
handle something like this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Old Yes, exactly, So I would put off sleeping with them,
I would get to know them. I'd go in a
few dates before I told them, and then when it
looks like it's going down that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Pathway of nudy rudy, then tell them.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But also, okay, so this is something I've found out
from a friend that I thought was genius advice. They said,
don't attack the conversation like I'm so embarrassed, I'm mortified.
I've got this gross thing. I'm really sorry, but I
have to confess it. Say it confidently, Say it like
it's not a big deal. Say that you're dealing with it.
You know how to handle it. You're obviously not going
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to have sex when you have an outbreak, but when
you're in the orkley you can. And also you know
you're just going to make sure you wear condoms. But
say it short, sharply and succinctly and with confidence, and
then leave room because you know, when we over explain stuff,
it's it brings shame to the conversation or embarrassment. Just
say it simply and then give them space one to, like,
(22:55):
you know, take it all in because it might come
as a shock.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And then they're going to approach it maturely as well,
because they can see that you've got a handle on it.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
And I'm assuming again that it is something that can
obviously be managed. And it's not like this person has HRPI,
so everyone she's going to come into contact sexually is
going to get herpies. There's ways to go about it
where everyone can be completely safe, completely healthy, and it's
not like an issue.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's not like she, you know, has to be courted
off for the rest of her life.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, I spoke to a friend who has it, and
she said that people know when.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
They're about to have an outbreak.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There's like it's like a cold saw where like you
get tingling ye down there and you know, and then
you just don't have sex during that time. There's also
medication that you can take beforehand. But actually, we've got
a STD specialist coming up next, because you know, we're
all this girl's probably horrified, feeling like she's the only
one in the world with an STD. They are going
(23:49):
rampant in Australia.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
At the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
The statistics are petrifying and it's not just harpies, it's
gone her ear, it's everything.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So we're getting an std doctor in to tell us
all about it. Yes, share some horror stories, but he
can help with some advice.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
All right, we will do that next.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Okay, brace yourself because this one's wild. Sti's are exploding
across Australia. Gonorrhea and syphilis have more than doubled in
the last decade, chlamydia has clogged over one hundred thousand
new cases in a year, and only sixteen percent of
Aussie's have ever been tested, which means a lot of
people are getting busy and blissfully unaware they're spreading more
(24:27):
than just love. It's a full blown sexual health crisis,
and tonight we've got doctor Brad Mackay on the show
to tell us just how bad it's getting. He's a
GP who doesn't sugarcoat it, and trust me, what he's
about to reveal will make you all rethink that very
casual fling or any casual fling you've ever had.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'm already scared. Welcome to the show, doctor Brad.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
We're all sex positive here. That's fine.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
You can have your casual fleeing, that's all right, but
just do it responsively.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Condoms condoms condoms. I feel like after this chat we're
all going to go out and buy like a mess
in box of Trojans or something.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So we had this listener write in and she's in
a bit of a tears. She got divorced, whent on
a bit of a wild adventure with a few men,
ended up catching her pees and now she's stressing out
because she's ready to settle down. She wants to date properly,
and she's wondering how one, how do you disclose.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It, and the timing around disclosing it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Should you disclose it on a first date or later?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
How do you go about it?
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, like you don't have to do that straight away,
and certainly it's a bit weird if somebody does.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
That on the first day.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yeah, So yeah, not a great opener. So I suppose
the what you can do is take medication for it.
So there are lots of anti viral medication. You can
take one tablet a day, sometimes there's two tablets today
and to keep HSV under control, and so you can actually, like, yeah,
decrease your chance of transmitting it to somebody else quite substantially.
(26:00):
And one of my favorite sort of stories from one
of my patients was when she said that she was going.
Dating back in the eighties, this is before we had
medication as well, and they used to like put up
like before the internet, they used to put up signs
on the wall and say, like tonight, we're having a
herpes party, and so everyone who was who was herpes
(26:21):
positive would go to this party. They would all have
a fun time, and everybody in the room would know
that everybody else had Herpe simplex virus infection, and so
it really decreased the stigma helped them to choose other partners,
and then it was they were already disclosing their status
before that even started. So we don't really have them
(26:43):
these days.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We probably do, we just don't know that.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
What are some of the worst.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Cases you've seen a patient come into your office with?
When it comes.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Back to the embarrassing bodies days, the worst of the worst,
the horror stories with respect obviously, there's.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
Always like classic stories where somebody comes in and they've
they've been saying, oh, yes, I've been experiencing like terrible
green gu coming out of my penis for the like
for for a while it stings every time I pee.
I thought that I should do something about it. And
then you ask them like, how long has this actually
been going on for and they say six months. So
(27:25):
so often like people will leave things for a very
long time. They're too embarrassed to go to the doctor,
or they're traveling around the country as a as a
backpacker for example. Yeah, they just they just put everything.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
To the side.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
They're changed in their underwear four times a day. And yeah,
like we need to have more sexual health services and
people to feel confident to go to the doctor to
actually get treatment for it. That's like the classic, the
classic story that comes through the door.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And in America you can now I think in America
and the UK you can do it all online. So
you can just type in, send your address, they'll send
you out a kit, you test yourself at home, and
then you send it back so you don't have that embarrassing,
you know, conversation with the doctor. I don't care with
the doctor. I'll tell them anything. I'm like, sort it out.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
But a lot of.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
People, if you've got a drippy dick, you should probably
go to the clinic and have some antibiotics for it
as well.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
So it's hard to do that from home.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I'd assume that treatment for all kinds of STIs is
getting better and better as medical technology gets better and better.
But why a case is so much higher than what
they used to be. Why these infections exploding? Are we
just having more unprotected sex and not seeming to care
so much about the consequences.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
Yeah, well, I think we've gone from a time where
everyone was petrified of HIV and so so there was
all of those like where condoms, don't, don't have sex,
be really careful, and so over time, like the next
generation that's coming through doesn't really have the same sort
of like awareness of HIV.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
There's not that same fear from it.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
It's not really in the public eye as much as
what it was in the eighties and nineties, so that
that fear is diminished. So I think a lot of
people just aren't using condoms as much. A lot of
a lot of women are using the pill. They've got contraception,
and so they're they're less likely.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
To be using condoms.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
And yeah, that we also have these days, we've got preps,
so pre exposure prophylaxis, so you can take tablets before
having sex and or every day to prevent getting HIV,
and so then there's less of that that impetusity to
use condoms, and with that comes infections as well.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
A friend of mine years and years ago, she discovered
her husband was cheating because they had been married for
fifteen years and then one day she woke up a
bit itchy down there, just like that's weird. That's weird,
and thought, you know, it was a uti or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Went to the doctor.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He took one look downstairs and he goes, oh, you've
got her pies, Like he picked it out straight away.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
She's like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I've been like, we've been married for fifteen years, we've
been together for twenty years. I'm not sleeping with anyone else.
That's how she found out that he was having an affair.
Is that really common?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
So a lot of people can have herpes infection.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
They may have got it like twenty years ago, and
then they really.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Don't have symptoms from it.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
So they might have the occasional itch, but it's not
causing any problems.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
So it can just harbor like.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
In the in the nervous system for a long period
of time, and then it's just when all of the
wind's blowing in the right direction and that then they'll
they'll start to produce the virus on their skin and
then then can affect their partner.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
It's not necessarily a.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Sign that your partner's cheating if you're just getting herpes.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Now, oh cheat, I'm still how many people are now
going to be going, yeah, it was it was time.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's not me.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Actually, maybe we shouldn't be giving people the cheat cheek.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Away with that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And is it true can you catch it from a
toilet seat? Because we hear that all the time and
you should see me hovering over the toilets.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
So my lecture at university was exact question by us
and and he said it depends what you do with
the toilet seat.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
So that's.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Use your own imagination there.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Well, I mean the highlight of my day was having
someone coming on this show and use the term drippy dick.
So doctor Brad MacKaye, I'm so glad that you could
share drippy dick. Would not shared drippy dick with us?
Used Okay, I'm just going to say thank you for
coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
So listen, there is something that has broken the internet
this week, and like I said before, it's not just
our viral clip that went wild after your chat with
Margarite and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
As a Renco.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Last week, Vogue has broken the internet as well. Writer
Shanty Joseph wrote an iconic article that I sent to
my editor saying, damn it, I wish I wrote this
article myself. It was titled is having a boyfriend embarrassing?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And yeah, the Internet lost their shit.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You're gonna have to walk me through this.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
One, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So basically, she and the fashion bible known as Vogue
has said it's official, having a boyfriend is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It's seen as lame, it's seen as cringe. And at
first when you hear that, you.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Think, oh, that's just a bit of clickbait that's actually
saying But then you read the article and she makes
so many good points and I was like, damn it,
she's right. But this isn't anything new because when you
think about it, you know all those.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Sexy Instagram women on Instagram in.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Their bikinis and stuff like that, they've all got boyfriends,
but you will not see them on their Instagram pages.
They brought this in years ago, I think after one
of the Sports Illustrated girls made the mistake of putting
her boyfriend up and she lost like hundreds of thousands
of followers overnight.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
That's when it became blame or embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
So what you're saying is it's lame to have a
boyfriend publicly, as in on social media. You can still
have a boyfriend and that's fine, but keep it to yourself,
don't splash it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, that's the lame part.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
And I think socials have made it embarrassing as well,
because you think about it, We're all brought up to
basically be tradwives, like the goals, get married, have kids,
have a baby, have the piked fence. And then all
of a sudden, all these fabulous influencers started popping up
and they were traveling and they were going out and
they were getting drunk, and they were telling these wild
(33:35):
dating stories, and I think it flipped the switch. I
think that's a big reason now why women are getting
married later in life and they are putting off kids
and they're going maybe I like, I am enjoying my career.
Maybe I want to put my emphasis into that. I'm
hearing all these horrible dating stories on TikTok on Instagram,
We're all commiserating about all the shitty Peter pans at
(33:59):
the moment and the f boys and the you know,
like it's men. I'm sorry, but you have got a
bit grim to date at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
At the moment, haven't we always been dickheads to be fit?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
But now we're talking about it on social media and
it's flipped the switch.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And people are going, actually, yeah, it is a bit
lame to have a boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now, Don't get me wrong, Like I do think with
articles like this, which are kind of saying you don't
want a boyfriend, it is lame.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It is embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We're hovering a little bit in that bit of woman territory.
It's giving kind of the female version of Andrew Tait
where it's like all men are shit, all men are
the worst. Yeah, we're all giving up dating. I think
we're going a little bit too extreme. Okay, so I'm
saying I can understand why women are saying, yeah, it's
(34:50):
embarrassing to have a boyfriend at the moment, but I
also think we need to pull back a little bit
and remember that there are good guys out there, and
we all at our heart want our penguin, we want
our special person, and we also I think it's healthier
to live in hope that these men are.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Out there for us, and you don't have to look
that far, like, for example, you could just look to
your right.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You never know that might be a bloke.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I changed my mind closer than your.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Think boyfriends are embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
But.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I will say it's gone a little bit too far.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I don't think we need to make bold statements
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I think, ladies, we do still need to go on
our dates.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And I also don't think it's embarrassing to say you
do want a boyfriend.
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Speaker 2 (36:20):
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Speaker 3 (36:22):
Okay, So what people do know is that women are
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Speaker 4 (36:29):
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Speaker 3 (36:31):
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Speaker 4 (37:01):
Wow, I mean we covered a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Drippy dick was a term used on the show today,
and that's gonna that's gonna just marinate and it's going
to sit there forever.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Drippy dick just so visual.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's a problem, Like it's stuck in my mind and
it's not good for the libido.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Maybe we'll bring next week.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We'll bring back the sexy time.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Less leaky dick, more strong solid.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
On that note, have a lovely week and we'll talk
to you next time.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
On Saucy Secrets,
The gentleman who had ninety grams of cocaine secreted in
his suitcase without his knowledge.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
So herpes is a forever thing.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's for Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I'm sorry, but you
have got a bit grim to date at the moment.
Welcome back. I'm Jannah Hocking, sex and dating columnists for
Daily Mail. Joining me is MC radio extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Now coming up, we.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Are chatting to a private investigatory tonight, but not any
private investigator. This is a guy who deals with billionaires
like they get him to do background checks on women
that they're growing today, or should I say because there's female.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
From the moment we started this show, you have been
banging on about wanting to speak to a PI tonight
the nights.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
We've finally found one in he's a really good one.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
So he's going to tell us all the tips and
tricks and some wild stories.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
But we weren't viral, we.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
Did, and not in the time where you need to
visit a pharmacy to get something to fix yourself up,
like the good kind of.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Viral, no antibotics required.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Who We had Marguerite and Nazarenko on the show last week.
Who is a TikToker famous for her brutal dating advice,
and she kind of took me to town and told
me exactly where I was going wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And can I just say, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Ruined my dating life, It's ruined debt on us.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Because I started thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
So I had a few interactions with men this week.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
And they weren't good because I had her in my head.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And this one guy, for some reason, can only ever
see me on a Monday. And he was He's always
happy to come to me, But then she got in
my head and I was like, well, why isn't he
taking me on proper dates? Why can he only see
me on Monday? And so then when he called, because
he's got their kids and stuff, he's a bit of
a Peter Pan and we're chatting away and he's like, yeah,
(01:52):
Friday night, I went for a card tonight and I've
got like I'm going to waste us on Saturday. And
I started thinking, fixcus me, what can you tell me
that like the only time you have freezer Monday when
I'm hearing you doing all this amazing stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
So then he asked if he could come over this
last Monday. Thanks to Margarita, I said no.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I called it off and I even typed into chat
GPT he's a cheat, cheap everyone.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I put the whole dilama into chat CHPT and I said,
what would Margarite, and there's a rainco say about this?
Chachipt said, Margarita would tell you absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He's taking the piers. And then I said, would you
like me to write a text to him back? And
I said yes.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It wrote me the best text that was like, I'm
going to pass on you coming over on Monday, but
when you decide you want to take me on a
real date, look me up.
Speaker 7 (02:40):
I sent it.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What can't chat GPT do? Hi?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I know it's so good?
Speaker 7 (02:46):
What can't it do?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
I was very tempted to call Margarita, but I was like, no,
don't be annoying.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Did we want to back on this show again? So
she's making me get rid.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Of my roster one by one, but I think long
term I'll be happy about it.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Go Margaret, read a Nazarenka and yeah for CHATJPTO.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So there is a vile, subconscious trick that pick up
artists are using at the moment, And once I heard
about it, I realized that actually.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
It's been used on me before I pick up artists.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
The thing, are there people out there that are just
just trying to pick up for sport, Like it's the
thrill of the chase to use these techniques to try
and get someone.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Into dark arts.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And they're using it all over TikTok at the moment,
So any guy can go on find these toxic TikTok
videos people like men explaining how to trick women into bed.
It's dark, it's gross. It started in two thousand and
five with the book the game It's vould, but I
heard about it recently and realized it's definitely been used
(03:48):
on me. But I want to I want to set
the scene and you tell me if you can see.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Where the dark art mastery.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I really got to pay attention.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Right, Okay, So like a few months ago, I went
on a date. We went to a wine bar and
we had some nice wines and it was beautiful and
it was general chit chat.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Then he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner
because it was going well. Okay, perfect, I would love.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
To go for dinner.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
We went for dinner. Then the chat got a little
bit more bonding like it was like where you're from,
where did you grow up? Do you have brothers, do
you have sisters? What's your ex history? Like like it
was a little bit deeper. And then after that and
a bottle of wine, we then went for a big
romantic walk around Sydney Harborough. So now we've got three
different spots. We've gone to the wine bar, we've gone
(04:35):
to dinner, and then we've gone for a big walk.
Then I will admit by then I felt like I
knew him quite well. So then yes, I did go
home and have amazing sex with him, but I did
wake up the next day kind of going, oh, I
was going to take this a little bit slower than that.
Can you see where the dark art trickery came into place.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
I feel like I would have gone home and had
sex with because I'm the magical day hang on hand,
there is something in there that he's used that is
some TikTok dating trend to get women into bed.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, and it worked.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Like all he did was say let's go to a
restaurant because we're having fun, asked you questions about yourself,
which feels like you should take an interest, and then
said let's go for a walk.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Okay, so let me play you this video.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What missing something?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
If?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
It was Andrew Huberman on the Chris Williamson podcast, and
he explained this in called progressive context bonding.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And used in the wrong way, it will trick women
into bed. Let me play it for.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
You've been well established that if two people, for instance,
go three different places in a given day, they tend
to feel like they know each other far better than
if they stayed in one place, even for a longer
period of time.
Speaker 9 (05:47):
Did you know that piccapartists were weaponizing this about fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
Oh no, it doesn't surprise me, but I'm sorry to
hear it.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
It was a common held wisdom in the picapart this
community that you were supposed to have a three location
date to manipulate precisely to make the girl feel like
you had progressed further down the maturation process of spending
time together.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So in him taking you to three different things, you're going,
he's really into me, He's really into this date. He's
putting so much thought into this. Look at all the
stuff that we're doing. You're thinking he's more interesting than
maybe he actually is.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And you also feel like you've known him for years
because you've been bonding in three different spots. It's exactly
the same as they say, the best first date you
can do gets thee adrenaline going, So you should go
on a date where it's a scary movie or you
go bungee jumping or something like that, because you bond
together when the heart rate is going faster.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
This is kind of the same thing.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
When you're going to three different places in one day,
it feels like you've been on three dates. It's quite
tricky anyway, So then I became really really paranoid, and
this guy already had like a player.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Kind of reputation.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I did call another girl who had also been
on a date with him, because everyone where I live,
everyone by my age, has dated everyone, and she said
he did.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
The exact same thing to her.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
You men, you BG So then I actually went a
little bit further. So then he of course, because I'm
not gonna lie, it was a magical night out again,
and he suggested the same kind of thing, and I
said to him, well, why don't we do a Sunday
brunch because I was like, it's one location and it's
got a cut off time and.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
We didn't go on another date.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
He used the three date trickery and that's all it takes.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Take her on three different locations on the date. Wham bam,
thank you man in the sack, just like that.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
So women be careful.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
I would say, if you want to take it slow
with the guy, I mean, if you want to have
sex on the first night, no shame.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
I've never regretted it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I've dated three guys that I've had sex with on.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The first night. That aside.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
If you do want to take it slow and get
to know guys, just go to one location and have
a heart out. Now listen, guys, while the rest of
us do a quick Instagram stok before a date, billionaires
are outsourcing it. Our guest today is Oliver Lawrence, a
private investigator hired by the rich and powerful to dig
into their potential lover's past. So I'm so excited. He's
(08:19):
a man who finds out if that stunning new girlfriend
is a soulmate or a scammer. From the secret double
lives to hidden marriages, He's seen it all. So what
exactly are the world's wealthiest people trying to hide? And
how do they protect themselves from.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Heartbreak, he joins us to spill the tea.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Welcome Oliver, good morning, good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (08:40):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Thanks for having me, Thanks for joining us all the
way from the UK. Now I want to know because
you did this amazing interview in the Times newspaper about
your line of work, and you gave an example of
a guy who's not a one billionaire, he's a two
billionaire and he uses your services now before he even
(09:03):
goes on a date to do a background check on
women on you know, are they just after his money?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Can they be trusted?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Can you tell us a bit about that case, because
what you had to say about it was so interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, there's a couple of layists that because that individual
actually found themselves in a bit of a pickle a
few years ago when they had engaged in the services
of escorts and for some bizarre reason, it decided to
film themselves engaging in one of these lude acts on
the iPad, which was shared up to the cloud, which
then dropped onto the wife's iPad and she found out
(09:39):
about this sort of rather lude behavior in the most
sort of horrifying way. That ultimately that started a bit
of a black mail event in terms of she created
a pseudo character trying to get as much money from
him as possible before she leaked this footage out to
the world. So you know, not only did she take
(09:59):
the matters into her own hands, she then started and
was part of this real emotional rollercoaster, started to use
that information that she had got from him against him,
and he had absolutely no idea who was doing it
to him.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You also deal with people who think their partners are cheating.
What is the dumbest mistakes people who are cheating? Do
they get some caught instantly?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
One of the biggest telltale signs for me is the
security over one's phone, right, you know, very protective over messages,
changing the access codes, not allowing a loved one to
go anywhere near that device because they're worried about what
messages might pop in there. Those are a couple of
the biggest ones for me. Unusual out of kilter business
(10:44):
trips away is another one. Or having a personal assistant
who is new and overly helpful and seems to be
in one's life more than would be typically normal.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So there are few ones that we sort of generally
pick up on.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And what's the most shocking thing you've uncovered during an
infidelity case, Like what's genuinely shocked you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I worked on a case several years ago with a
gentleman who had ninety grams of cocaine secreted in his
suitcase without his knowledge that it meant or that it
ended up him in prison in Singapore and Changy facing
significant charges and the potential of the death penalty. Now,
(11:33):
there are a number of assumptions which can draw us
to how that occurred, either inside outside out of the family,
but that laid him into very difficult waters, right, And
what I found there is human behavior will do anything
to ensure that somebody can manipulate a situation.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Okay, So say it was a wife who needed her
husband to be gone for a long time. He was
planted so he'd get Yeah, so she planned to would
be locked up. You would have to hate that person
so much to want them to go to jail for life,
if not death penalty.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Okay. I don't think that can be topped.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Wild stories, but you've given me an idea. So if
I wanted to hire you, say I was married, Lol,
Say I was married and I thought my husband was cheating,
and I wanted you to find out how much am
I out of pocket for your very worthwhile services.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, so typically, you know, if you look at surveillance,
and I'll do the stuff in Australian dollars easier, So
one hundred and ten one hundred and twenty dollars an
hour for covert surveillance you're looking at, you're looking at
generally probably fifteen twenty hours were upfront that will generally
carry out. You're looking at a bit of open source
intelligence work. We're talking about it, all that online stuff.
(12:55):
I would say most matrimonial cases that come across my
table have a minimum starting fee of about eight to
ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Eight to ten thousand dollars to find out if your
partner is cheating.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Spend money to save.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Some money again, I'll do it.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Have you ever felt in danger in your job, like,
have you ever been threatened or have you ever been
caught surveillancing someone?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, there's always the risk of being courtless. And I
sit at the senior end of my company now, so
I very rarely get my hands on the tools. But
I've been leading in the past few years of a
kidnapping in Antigua of a chat that was subject to
being trapped by a very good young lady from eastern Europe.
A certain state in the world wanted in return, but
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didn't want to follow the extradition laws of the country
that he was in, so they decided to kidnap him.
And I'd spent sort of three years in country investigating
that post is kidnapping, and we had people following us,
government agents, police officers, various different people, So those times
can get tense, get quite nervous, but ultimately you know
they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
There is a lot of honey traps as well that
we don't even know that's going on. So women who
are being quite savvy for these millionaires and billionaires and
putting them in situations maybe with extortion.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Our first rule of fun is we never pay the
escorts or the honey traps or the people seeking the money,
right because the minute you start paying, it just keeps coming.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I want more, I want more, I want more. So
we try to understand where these people, who are, where
these people are, who they are, and what process we
can engage lawfully to shut this down. But they are
very tricky and it's one of the greatest risks for
very wealthy people to get involved in that environment.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Men, let this be a lesson stop sending dick pics. Yeah,
now we have had an influx of listeners writing will
slide into our dms, as the young generations say, with
questions that they would love to ask you, Oliver. So
the first one comes from Laura.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
What are some of them most common signs people ignore
before finding out they were being cheated.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
On extensive periods away from the home, which are unnecessary
business trips which don't need to be taken, or a
sudden increase in business trips, not attending family events and
going off and doing other bits and pieces. As I say,
you know, I can't understate the whole mobile phone thing, right,
You've got to have an ability to communicate with someone.
(15:25):
So the discovery of a second mobile phone you never knew.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Do you know what a guy did to me the
other day? I thought this was quite crafty. They're such idiots.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I'm a sex columnist, but I get so many married
men slide into my DMS on the regular, and this one.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Guy did it in such a clever way.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
He sent me pictures in my DMS on my Instagram
but he had written what he wanted to write to
me on post it notes and then put it in
the You know how you can send a picture in
DMS where appears.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
After once you look at it, the photo disappears.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Exactly and you can't screenshot it.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I was like, you level, like that's how he was
trying to float with me, And I'm like, you're an
idiot because I'm going.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
To write about this. But yeah, you guys are savvy.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Okay. The next one is from Casey.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Have you ever caught someone cheating in the act or
in a really unexpected way?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
There is the odd occasion where you find all this
sort of you know, the lust and the excitement in
cars going on right, you know, if the car's rocking,
don't go knocking, well will come knocking, right, Because for
us it's about saying or or you know what's going on,
you know, filming all the stuff and then moving on.
But it does go on, you know, people do We
do find people in the acts, you know, entering into
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what I call Shenanigan's Josh asks, how.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Can someone get the information or evidence themselves before going
to the extremes of hiring a PI.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
So clating telephone numbers that you don't recognize on a phone,
which can be helpful running Google searches on those numbers. Now,
if they're escort services, they should come up pretty quickly,
although they rotate through their numbers every couple of months.
You could get a hit, right. Email accounts is the
same thing. You can use email searches. If you have
a picture of or if you find evidence of escorts, right,
(17:07):
or images of women, you can run those through obviously
image searches now through Google or AI and it will
find those images online and you'll be able obviously take
you to the relevant websites, so you can start to
build up the intelligence portfolio yourself before coming to us
and wanting the actual evidence. But sometimes they want to
know why, right, There's a lot of people that get
mostly attached these cases and go, what is this escort
(17:28):
doing right that I'm not doing in the bedroom, or
what is going on? You know, I give them all
this love and all this affection, and.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
The answer to what are they doing is they're getting pegged.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I'm going to escort friend, and you said that they
all come to get pegged.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I've given you all a heart attack.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And final question from Tyler. Has anyone ever hired you
to spy on their exer's new partner just out of pettiness.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, we try to minimize those scenarios, if I'm honest
with you, just purely out of respect for people's But
it is a fairly regular occurrence that we get asked,
you know, like my partner's move on, but I want
to know what they're doing, and we say, listen, it's
a bit unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Now it's time for therapy, not a pi' time to process.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
If anyone's been listening to this and they want to
engage in a PI, is it as simple as just
jumping on Google finding someone? Is there a place where
people can go so they know they're getting someone that's
actually going to help them be legit.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
There are a thousand investigators like me around the world.
I listen, I'm fairly nuanced. In fact, I service the
rich and famous around the world, navigates some of their
biggest problems. That's my world now. But there are investigators
of all different myriads, scales and sizes.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I have a very good friend of mine, David King
up on the Gold Coast, who runs a company called
Lipstick investigations right specializes in this sort of nefarious work.
Right Dave superb him and his team.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You lived up to my private investigator dreams.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
You gave us the best information.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I've still got a million questions, but we can't steal
you forever.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Listen, absolute pleasure. Thank you very much for having me.
And as I say, if you think there's a problem
out there, get in touch, let's chat about it, let's
explore it. And I wish you all the best.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
What I love most about you is that you're here
for the people, and you're here to help those when
they need it.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, someone needs it this week, and this actually left
me stumped for a little while. But we've had someone
ride in, they wrote.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Dear Saucy Secrets.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
A year after my divorce, I went through what can
only be described as my eat prey shag face.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes go, yes go.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I was in my forties, finally free and determined to
make up for lost time. I dated, traveled and said
yes to things I never would have before. And in
the middle of all that, I caught her piece.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Oh me know.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
At first I was devastated. I felt dirty, ashamed, and
completely terrified of telling anyone, But then I got educated
and I learned to manage it, and after a while
I accepted it as part of my story.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
We love to hear it. The problem is.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Now that I'm ready for something real again, I don't
know how to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
When do you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Do you do it before the first date, before sex,
after you know you like each other. I'm terrified of
being rejected, but I also don't want to live in
fear or deception. It's such a small part of my
life now, but it feels like the thing that could
ruin everything. How do I tell someone without it defining me?
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Signed? Healing but hesitant?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Can I just ask a really stupid question I'm not
seeing everybody already knows the answer to except for me.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
So herpes is a forever thing.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It's for yeah, yeah, yeah, clearly.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I thought that was just one of those things we
could go to the chemist and get some kind of
medication and get rid of it.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Is for life.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Oh and then there's all difference.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
So I had to do a deep dive.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
I was like your Google history, like your search history,
I hope, like no government agencies or anything ever get
a hold of your computer.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Because the things that you'd be looking up.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I know they are wild they are wilde.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I am definitely on a few watch lists, But this okay,
So I did look into it. First of all, I
say breathe because it turns out a lot of people
have it. At the moment, they're saying one in eight
Australians have it, but they're saying half a billion people
worldwide have it.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
So there could be someone in this room right now
with us that could which of you's got it?
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Hands up?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
What I would say is breathe easy. Know that you're
not the only person in the world who is going
to have to sit someone down and tell them. But
do I think you say it on the first date? No, no, no,
I don't think you say it until you've actually got
to know. The thing is, now that you've got it,
you are going to have to slow down and actually
get to know your dates and figure out if you
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even like them, because I think if you tell them
too soon, you're you're putting your trust in someone's hands that.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You don't even know.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
You've got to learn whether or not this person's a
decade or not, and whether they are mature enough to
handle something like this.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Old Yes, exactly, So I would put off sleeping with them,
I would get to know them. I'd go in a
few dates before I told them, and then when it
looks like it's going down that.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Pathway of nudy rudy, then tell them.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
But also, okay, so this is something I've found out
from a friend that I thought was genius advice. They said,
don't attack the conversation like I'm so embarrassed, I'm mortified.
I've got this gross thing. I'm really sorry, but I
have to confess it. Say it confidently, Say it like
it's not a big deal. Say that you're dealing with it.
You know how to handle it. You're obviously not going
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to have sex when you have an outbreak, but when
you're in the orkley you can. And also you know
you're just going to make sure you wear condoms. But
say it short, sharply and succinctly and with confidence, and
then leave room because you know, when we over explain stuff,
it's it brings shame to the conversation or embarrassment. Just
say it simply and then give them space one to, like,
(22:55):
you know, take it all in because it might come
as a shock.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And then they're going to approach it maturely as well,
because they can see that you've got a handle on it.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
And I'm assuming again that it is something that can
obviously be managed. And it's not like this person has HRPI,
so everyone she's going to come into contact sexually is
going to get herpies. There's ways to go about it
where everyone can be completely safe, completely healthy, and it's
not like an issue.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's not like she, you know, has to be courted
off for the rest of her life.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, I spoke to a friend who has it, and
she said that people know when.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
They're about to have an outbreak.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There's like it's like a cold saw where like you
get tingling ye down there and you know, and then
you just don't have sex during that time. There's also
medication that you can take beforehand. But actually, we've got
a STD specialist coming up next, because you know, we're
all this girl's probably horrified, feeling like she's the only
one in the world with an STD. They are going
(23:49):
rampant in Australia.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
At the moment.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
The statistics are petrifying and it's not just harpies, it's
gone her ear, it's everything.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
So we're getting an std doctor in to tell us
all about it. Yes, share some horror stories, but he
can help with some advice.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
All right, we will do that next.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Okay, brace yourself because this one's wild. Sti's are exploding
across Australia. Gonorrhea and syphilis have more than doubled in
the last decade, chlamydia has clogged over one hundred thousand
new cases in a year, and only sixteen percent of
Aussie's have ever been tested, which means a lot of
people are getting busy and blissfully unaware they're spreading more
(24:27):
than just love. It's a full blown sexual health crisis,
and tonight we've got doctor Brad Mackay on the show
to tell us just how bad it's getting. He's a
GP who doesn't sugarcoat it, and trust me, what he's
about to reveal will make you all rethink that very
casual fling or any casual fling you've ever had.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'm already scared. Welcome to the show, doctor Brad.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
We're all sex positive here. That's fine.
Speaker 10 (24:52):
You can have your casual fleeing, that's all right, but
just do it responsively.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Condoms condoms condoms. I feel like after this chat we're
all going to go out and buy like a mess
in box of Trojans or something.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
So we had this listener write in and she's in
a bit of a tears. She got divorced, whent on
a bit of a wild adventure with a few men,
ended up catching her pees and now she's stressing out
because she's ready to settle down. She wants to date properly,
and she's wondering how one, how do you disclose.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
It, and the timing around disclosing it.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Should you disclose it on a first date or later?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
How do you go about it?
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, like you don't have to do that straight away,
and certainly it's a bit weird if somebody does.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
That on the first day.
Speaker 10 (25:36):
Yeah, So yeah, not a great opener. So I suppose
the what you can do is take medication for it.
So there are lots of anti viral medication. You can
take one tablet a day, sometimes there's two tablets today
and to keep HSV under control, and so you can actually, like, yeah,
decrease your chance of transmitting it to somebody else quite substantially.
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And one of my favorite sort of stories from one
of my patients was when she said that she was going.
Dating back in the eighties, this is before we had
medication as well, and they used to like put up
like before the internet, they used to put up signs
on the wall and say, like tonight, we're having a
herpes party, and so everyone who was who was herpes
(26:21):
positive would go to this party. They would all have
a fun time, and everybody in the room would know
that everybody else had Herpe simplex virus infection, and so
it really decreased the stigma helped them to choose other partners,
and then it was they were already disclosing their status
before that even started. So we don't really have them
(26:43):
these days.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
We probably do, we just don't know that.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
What are some of the worst.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Cases you've seen a patient come into your office with?
When it comes.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Back to the embarrassing bodies days, the worst of the worst,
the horror stories with respect obviously, there's.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
Always like classic stories where somebody comes in and they've
they've been saying, oh, yes, I've been experiencing like terrible
green gu coming out of my penis for the like
for for a while it stings every time I pee.
I thought that I should do something about it. And
then you ask them like, how long has this actually
been going on for and they say six months. So
(27:25):
so often like people will leave things for a very
long time. They're too embarrassed to go to the doctor,
or they're traveling around the country as a as a
backpacker for example. Yeah, they just they just put everything.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
To the side.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
They're changed in their underwear four times a day. And yeah,
like we need to have more sexual health services and
people to feel confident to go to the doctor to
actually get treatment for it. That's like the classic, the
classic story that comes through the door.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
And in America you can now I think in America
and the UK you can do it all online. So
you can just type in, send your address, they'll send
you out a kit, you test yourself at home, and
then you send it back so you don't have that embarrassing,
you know, conversation with the doctor. I don't care with
the doctor. I'll tell them anything. I'm like, sort it out.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
But a lot of.
Speaker 10 (28:12):
People, if you've got a drippy dick, you should probably
go to the clinic and have some antibiotics for it
as well.
Speaker 7 (28:17):
So it's hard to do that from home.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
I'd assume that treatment for all kinds of STIs is
getting better and better as medical technology gets better and better.
But why a case is so much higher than what
they used to be. Why these infections exploding? Are we
just having more unprotected sex and not seeming to care
so much about the consequences.
Speaker 10 (28:35):
Yeah, well, I think we've gone from a time where
everyone was petrified of HIV and so so there was
all of those like where condoms, don't, don't have sex,
be really careful, and so over time, like the next
generation that's coming through doesn't really have the same sort
of like awareness of HIV.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
There's not that same fear from it.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
It's not really in the public eye as much as
what it was in the eighties and nineties, so that
that fear is diminished. So I think a lot of
people just aren't using condoms as much. A lot of
a lot of women are using the pill. They've got contraception,
and so they're they're less likely.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
To be using condoms.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
And yeah, that we also have these days, we've got preps,
so pre exposure prophylaxis, so you can take tablets before
having sex and or every day to prevent getting HIV,
and so then there's less of that that impetusity to
use condoms, and with that comes infections as well.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
A friend of mine years and years ago, she discovered
her husband was cheating because they had been married for
fifteen years and then one day she woke up a
bit itchy down there, just like that's weird. That's weird,
and thought, you know, it was a uti or something
like that.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Went to the doctor.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He took one look downstairs and he goes, oh, you've
got her pies, Like he picked it out straight away.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
She's like, I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I've been like, we've been married for fifteen years, we've
been together for twenty years. I'm not sleeping with anyone else.
That's how she found out that he was having an affair.
Is that really common?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
So a lot of people can have herpes infection.
Speaker 10 (30:10):
They may have got it like twenty years ago, and
then they really.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Don't have symptoms from it.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
So they might have the occasional itch, but it's not
causing any problems.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
So it can just harbor like.
Speaker 10 (30:20):
In the in the nervous system for a long period
of time, and then it's just when all of the
wind's blowing in the right direction and that then they'll
they'll start to produce the virus on their skin and
then then can affect their partner.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
It's not necessarily a.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Sign that your partner's cheating if you're just getting herpes.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Now, oh cheat, I'm still how many people are now
going to be going, yeah, it was it was time.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's not me.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Actually, maybe we shouldn't be giving people the cheat cheek.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Away with that.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And is it true can you catch it from a
toilet seat? Because we hear that all the time and
you should see me hovering over the toilets.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
So my lecture at university was exact question by us
and and he said it depends what you do with
the toilet seat.
Speaker 7 (31:11):
So that's.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Use your own imagination there.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
Well, I mean the highlight of my day was having
someone coming on this show and use the term drippy dick.
So doctor Brad MacKaye, I'm so glad that you could
share drippy dick. Would not shared drippy dick with us?
Used Okay, I'm just going to say thank you for
coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
So listen, there is something that has broken the internet
this week, and like I said before, it's not just
our viral clip that went wild after your chat with
Margarite and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
As a Renco.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Last week, Vogue has broken the internet as well. Writer
Shanty Joseph wrote an iconic article that I sent to
my editor saying, damn it, I wish I wrote this
article myself. It was titled is having a boyfriend embarrassing?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:02):
And yeah, the Internet lost their shit.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You're gonna have to walk me through this.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
One, okay.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So basically, she and the fashion bible known as Vogue
has said it's official, having a boyfriend is embarrassing.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It's seen as lame, it's seen as cringe. And at
first when you hear that, you.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Think, oh, that's just a bit of clickbait that's actually
saying But then you read the article and she makes
so many good points and I was like, damn it,
she's right. But this isn't anything new because when you
think about it, you know all those.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Sexy Instagram women on Instagram in.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Their bikinis and stuff like that, they've all got boyfriends,
but you will not see them on their Instagram pages.
They brought this in years ago, I think after one
of the Sports Illustrated girls made the mistake of putting
her boyfriend up and she lost like hundreds of thousands
of followers overnight.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
That's when it became blame or embarrassing.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
So what you're saying is it's lame to have a
boyfriend publicly, as in on social media. You can still
have a boyfriend and that's fine, but keep it to yourself,
don't splash it everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, that's the lame part.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
And I think socials have made it embarrassing as well,
because you think about it, We're all brought up to
basically be tradwives, like the goals, get married, have kids,
have a baby, have the piked fence. And then all
of a sudden, all these fabulous influencers started popping up
and they were traveling and they were going out and
they were getting drunk, and they were telling these wild
(33:35):
dating stories, and I think it flipped the switch. I
think that's a big reason now why women are getting
married later in life and they are putting off kids
and they're going maybe I like, I am enjoying my career.
Maybe I want to put my emphasis into that. I'm
hearing all these horrible dating stories on TikTok on Instagram,
We're all commiserating about all the shitty Peter pans at
(33:59):
the moment and the f boys and the you know,
like it's men. I'm sorry, but you have got a
bit grim to date at the moment.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
At the moment, haven't we always been dickheads to be fit?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
But now we're talking about it on social media and
it's flipped the switch.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And people are going, actually, yeah, it is a bit
lame to have a boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Now, Don't get me wrong, Like I do think with
articles like this, which are kind of saying you don't
want a boyfriend, it is lame.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It is embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
We're hovering a little bit in that bit of woman territory.
It's giving kind of the female version of Andrew Tait
where it's like all men are shit, all men are
the worst. Yeah, we're all giving up dating. I think
we're going a little bit too extreme. Okay, so I'm
saying I can understand why women are saying, yeah, it's
(34:50):
embarrassing to have a boyfriend at the moment, but I
also think we need to pull back a little bit
and remember that there are good guys out there, and
we all at our heart want our penguin, we want
our special person, and we also I think it's healthier
to live in hope that these men are.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Out there for us, and you don't have to look
that far, like, for example, you could just look to
your right.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You never know that might be a bloke.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I changed my mind closer than your.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Think boyfriends are embarrassing.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
But.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I will say it's gone a little bit too far.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I don't think we need to make bold statements
like that.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I think, ladies, we do still need to go on
our dates.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
And I also don't think it's embarrassing to say you
do want a boyfriend.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
And because here's the thing, if you don't have a boyfriend,
how will you use the pure lust duo from our
friends at Juju. Don't roll your eyes behind the camera.
Because I've tried to link the Juju wonderful products to
what we were talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I thought that was all right.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I was going to say, if they are embarrassing, thank
god for the juju other products.
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Speaker 2 (36:10):
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Speaker 5 (36:18):
Just?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Yeah, this is fun, the gel on the bits.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And it makes fun times even more fun.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Okay, So what people do know is that women are
more likely to orgasm from outside stimulation.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
The clip. We love the clip.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
The clip man can for the love of god, can
you start paying more?
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Where are you?
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Where is it?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
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Speaker 4 (36:37):
They're all embarrassed, but this actually goes on your bits.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
And it warms it up and it adds extra pleasure,
and we always want extra pleasure.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
So yeah, I'm a big fan.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
If you would like to win the Pure Lust Duo,
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of another episode of Saucy Secrets.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Wow, I mean we covered a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Drippy dick was a term used on the show today,
and that's gonna that's gonna just marinate and it's going
to sit there forever.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Drippy dick just so visual.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's a problem, Like it's stuck in my mind and
it's not good for the libido.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Maybe we'll bring next week.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
We'll bring back the sexy time.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Less leaky dick, more strong solid.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
On that note, have a lovely week and we'll talk
to you next time.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
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