August 2, 2023 • 29 mins
On this episode, Chris Coleman and Adam Jansen discuss the FIFA World Cup chances of Australia, Lance 'Buddy' Franklin's place in AFL history following his retirement, the Ashes, Dave Warner, Joseph-Aukoso Sua'ali'i, try-less NRL players, the NRLW, AFL upsets, Nick Daicos and the greatness of Shohei Ohtani..
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Super Serious Sports Show with Chris Carmen and Adam Jansen.
Adam Stanislaus Jansen. There's been plenty going on in the
last week or so. What have you got that's caught
your eye in the world of sports.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The Matilda's beat Canada, Australia lost the Fifth Test, The Raiders'
NRLW side beat the Roosters. Buddy Franklin got injured then retired.
Nick Dacos played another AFL game. What else happened? There
were some other things.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
There was other things and we'll talk about them and
more on this edition of The Super Serious Sports Show.
Let's launch into it. The biggest thing in sport around
the world at the moment is the Women's Football World
Cup happening right here in Australia. In New Zealand, it
is getting to the point of ende. They've sent half
the teams home, or they will have in the next
few hours, have sent half the team's home and it
gets to the knockout stage and New Zealand co hosts
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did not make it through a value efforts from them.
Australia though, we'll face Denmark. Interesting to see who Prince
Mary of Denmark being a good Tasmanian winds up supporting
John Denmark.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Have they that it'd be interesting avoided.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
England, avoided England by finishing top of the group, and
England finished top of their group.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, I'm glad they don't have to play the Netherlands
anytime soon because they won seven nil yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, but not against the world's greatest oppositions.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The World Cup. They're all good.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There's good and then there's very good.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Okay, Well, the Matildas on Monday night were very, very
good four nil over the Olympic champions.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Canada has been a bogie team for the Matildas over time.
And as you said, the Olympic Champions crowned less than
a year ago. They are gone a superpower and yeah,
they're gone. It's funny how World Cups work like that.
How do you rate the Matilda's chances at this point?
I mean they're one of sixteen teams left win win,
they win the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, they're not the favorites. I think they're about fifth
or six. But if they play like they did on
Monday night against Canada, then they're a red hot chants.
If they play like they did, even when they beat
Ireland one nill. I think after just a penalty or
when they were awful against Nigeria, then they'll be out
next round. Princess Mary can carry on being Princess Mary
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of Denmark or whatever she's called as.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Opposed to Princess Mary of is it Loncester or Hobart?
One of them, one of them Tazzy Tazzy, Yeah, Princess
Mary of Tazzy.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think Australia's chances are good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hopefully, hopefully Sam Kerr isn't just listed to play and
actually plays in that Round of sixteen game.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't know whether she will or not. I'm starting
to get the feeling that the injury that Sam Kurr
is carrying and it's a calf If it's a calf tear,
she'll be lucky if Australia makes the final and she
gets back on. Calf tears are very very difficult to
recover from.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
For the record, Australia's game versus Denmark Monday night, eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
YEA and Australia gets a full week to recover.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Good.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
AJ. I'll leave it to you to start this next bit,
mainly because you are a Sydney Swans fan. So you've
had Buddy Franklin at your club on more money than
God for a day decade. He has now pulled the pin,
very suddenly, pulled the pin and retired from top level footy.
I suspect he might turn up in a few of
these one match appearances in country things over the next
few years, because almost every major retired player does it.
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But how do you feel about Buddy Franklin now that
his career is at AFL terms anyway over.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, he pulled the pin after he pulled the calf,
not the way he would have wanted to go out.
I was watching that game the other night, very very
good game against Essendon. Swan's got up by two. But
even when Buddy went off injured and it didn't really
look like anything too significant when it happened, but when
he got subbed out it was interesting. It was quite
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early in the game, I think it was the first
quarter or early in the second quarter. But Buddy's time
at the Swans, I think has been has been really good.
I've said it on the show before. I think he
played a year too long. Hasn't been as effective this
year as he was last year. Of course, he had
a really good season last year they made the Grand Final.
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It does allow the opportunity now for some younger players
I think are ready to go. So it does open
up a spot, it does. You know, there is a
bit of pressure on the other guys on the field
that when Buddy's out there, get the ball to Buddy,
so it takes that away as well. So it'll be interesting.
But yeah, the Swans of course, are not out of
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it for this year yet.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
No. They come up against the Giants this week.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They come up against the Red Hot Giants, the Orange Tsunami.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's back, it is back.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm just going to keep a lid on things for
the time being. But the Giants are playing for some
really nice footy and seems to have taken a leaf
out of Collingwood's book from last year. I don't worry
about how far behind you. I just go out and
play your game and it worked on the weekend against
the Western Bulldocks. Where would you put Buddy Franklin in
terms of all time full forwards.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
He's the best that I've seen. But I haven't been
around as long as you so.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And and I'm not a nice, nice, nice backhanded compliment
there that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You've got like twelve years on me. And I say
that more for more for his Hawthorne days than he
Swan's days. Yeah, I just remember him just some absolutely
spectacular play when he was back.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
At the Hawks. The Hawks got the better half of
Buddy's career.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I'm going to try at this point and put some
historical context into this, and I don't know how well
this is going to work out, but I have given
it a lot of thought. I've gone through lists and
lists and lists. First up, Buddy Franklin has kicked one
thousand goals one thousand and sixty six goals from three
hundred and fifty four career matches, which plays him fourth
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on the all time tally. That does not tell the
full story, but it puts him, for mine, comfortably in
the top ten. Okay, And I don't know how much
further into the top ten you go with him. When
You've got to look back at the other players who
I would put in that top ten, and most of
them are at that point he end Tony Lockett thirteen
hundred and sixty goals, the greatest number of goals of
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all time. You've got to put lock it up there.
Jason Dunstall twelve hundred and fifty four is third. Doug Wade.
I saw Doug Wade play maybe two games late in
his career for North, but I've seen a lot of
him on video kick the first goal at VFL Park,
a ground that is no longer used. So that matter
was a high priced recruits for the Kangaroos when free
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agency rules came in or some sort of transfer rules
came in in the nineteen seventies. So you've got to
have him up there. You've got to have Gary Abelot
up there in term and I'm talking senior at this point,
and in terms of skills and the ability to turn
a game on its head through his own singular efforts.
Best I've seen, not necessarily the best full forward I've seen,
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but the best I've seen in terms of just being
able to take a game by the scruff of the neck.
You've got Gordon Coventry, who I didnt see play because
he played in the nineteen twenties and thirties, the first
man to kick a thousand goals and had that record
as the most number of goals until Tony Lockett broke
it and twelve hundred nine nine still sits second on
the list, and if you don't have Gordon Coventry in
your top two or three full forwards, then you are
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kidding yourself. Twelve hundred and ninety nine goals from three
hundred and six games in an era where high scoring
was not the norm. There are three other names I
would throw in there at this point, which the shrewd
mathematicians listening will work out that means I've given nine.
I haven't even given a full top ten. That's deliberate
because it leaves people places to throw other names at me.
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Peter Hudson, the Great Peter Hudson kicks seven hundred and
twenty seven goals for Hawthorne from the one hundred and
thirty games, an absolute freak five point six four and
kick one hundred and fifty in the season went close
to another time. There was he had a duel, There
was him, There was Alex Jesselinko, who I would say
was more of a cent and a half forward that
played at full Ford. So I haven't included Jezzer there.
I would also include on on that list Peter McKenna.
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Peter McKennon eight hundred and seventy four goals for most
of them for Collywood, a few for Carton in the
end in one hundred ninety one games, again four point
five to eight per game, but none of those are
the one I'm going to put at the top of
the list, the greatest full forward for mine.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You say, Toby Green, I'm going to walk out.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You've got to go all the way down to and
I had to look for this one. On the all
time list of VFL goal score that scored is his
fifty fifth on that all time list, only kicked five
hundred and thirty seven goals, did not play one hundred games.
Career was tragically cut short by a knee injury, and
he died in a car crash not too long after retiring.
John Coleman, And I don't say that just because of
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his surname. Almost five and a half goals per game
and again played in the post year Pope, post war
era where high scores were not common, and he would
just come out and regularly kick monster bags. As his
record testifies, five hundred and thirty seven goals in ninety
eight games. I put him at the top of the pile.
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I then put Gordon Coventry second. I reckon Buddy might
go into the top three. He might just because his
career started in that era where high scores were common
and full forward's got bags of goals. But he managed
to keep it going despite the evolution of the game
after in the latter stages of his career, so that
that would be where I would put him third all time.
(09:16):
But I'd love to know what other people think on
that as well. Do you think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Ten spot. You can maybe go a current player. You
could Tomahawk, Tom Hawkins.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Where's he fit now? Seven to seventy nine? Fourteenth full time?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I actually think the best full forward in the competition
at the moment is Charlie Kurno from your Carton Blues.
But my ex Carlton blu Rex Carton Blues. But Charlie's going.
He's gone well as a guy who had a lot
of injuries early in his career. Anyway, just to summarize
Lance Buddy Franklin's career one hundred and eighty two games
for Hawthorne, five hundred and eighty goals, one hundred and
seventy two games for the Swans, with four hundred and
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eighty six goals. So, like you said, three hundred and
fifty four games, one thousand and sixty six goals premiership
player in two thousand and eight and two twenty and
thirteen at the Hawks played in some other Grand finals
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Lady Franklin, let's get ready for it. Were you the
super serious sports show? We did say there has been
a lot going on in the world of sport this week.
Of course, the Ashes came to a conclusion a bit
of a fizzer in the end from Australian terms, with
a late collapse on the fifth day after a rain
delay at the Oval, meaning that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Screwed them twice.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The raindelays screwed them on day four, screwed him again
on day five. The rain came when they had all
the momentum and then they didn't win.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, England won the moral Ashes. Is what people are
saying over there. I've never heard that phrase before. About
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Let's lose a talk.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That that is loser talk, that is all that is.
Australia retained the Ashes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it.
There are people who are saying, oh, you know, should
you retain the ashes after a drawn series. This series
is really becoming has really become known as the knee
jerk reaction ashes. You've got world run down sooks like
Pierce Morgan saying that that a dismissal, dismissal that victimized
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an English player who had tried on multiple to execute
similar styles of dismissal in the past, were suddenly against
the spirit of cricket. You've got the English captain coming
out and saying, oh, we could play it till ten
o'clock at NATI at sun, don't got dout til after
ten o'clock. We could play it till all hours, but
that ran we could come back out after it red
and come and play crickets had had the rules in place.
(11:20):
I'm not arguing that the rules aren't stupid by the
way their laws. Yeah, true, Thank you for correcting me
on something I've corrected many others on.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yes, the laws of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The laws of the game have been in place for
quite some time, and they get tweaked from tight to time,
and if they get tweaked after the series then that's fine.
But you can't just sit there and say, well, it's
been a law of the game for one hundred years,
let's change it now because it disadvantages us. And that's
the problem with claiming a moral Ashes victory. England is
a country in decline and is desperate to hang on
to anything. And if that means that they can say
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that they've got some sort of stiff upper lip after
their players and their members have chucked Tanti's at grounds
all over the UK, then they can stick it up
their jumper.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Apart from the obvious, which is the retention of the ashes.
What was your highlight?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Did you have one? I don't think there was.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Mitch Marsh's innings.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, it's a highlight because.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He didn't really came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It came out of nowhere and he went back to
obscurity afterwards. You know, when he came in on day
five of the Fifth Test, there was a chance for
him to really go down in cricket history as the
man who had that massive one hundred run a ball
earlier in the series and came out and then saved
the game. But it was another meek dismissal from him.
And I don't really have highlights.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
From about Ben Stokes. Herschel Gibbs impression. Well, that was funny.
That was hilarious. I have low lights. I have certainly
had things I'm going to remember. One is the way
that the Australians crapped their dacks every single time they'll
put under pressure. Every time England ramped up the pressure,
Australia backed off, except for in the first two Tests,
where England handled pressure worse than Australia.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Even in the first two Tests they sent men out
to the boundary. They as as soon as English players
started throwing the bat a bit. Okay, we're not going
to bowl conventional anymore. We're going to abandon what have
been good wicket taking deliveries for one hundred and forty
years of Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I still don't like having a fast bowler as captain.
I never have.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I look the greatest respect to Pat Pat Cummens,
it's too much for him to think about.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Travis Head should be the captain.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What's wrong with Steve Smith.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He's getting close to retirement. He's already talking about retirement.
Travis Head, for me to play major league cricket and
give me the head of the team anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
David Warner's security spot in the reaction, the head of
the team. I thought that was good David and Warner.
I'm moving on. He's security spot in the Australian team.
He'll go get five more Tests, he'll get his retirement,
his retirement part at the SCG that he wants. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I actually think he did enough in the series to
retain his spot. The averages don't necessarily back that up,
but he didn't score significantly less runs than Marnas Lavashane.
Marns got saved by one century that he made and
he didn't really do anything else. Warner average better than
Cameron Green, so calond Green's and all round it Dave Warner,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't know if Cameron Green takes enough wickets to
be averaging twenty with the bat though.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah. I look, as you know, I'm not a fan
of Dave Warner, but he's going to get his five Tests.
So there's there's no point carrying on about that. They're
playing this summer West Indies and Pakistan. I think, well
he'll get he'll get his runs too. Ye'll finished with
a four hundred not out at the SCG. That really
sums it all up. There's a World Cup apparently shortly. Yes, Yeah,
we might get excited about that in a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Every wanted to be in the World Cup side.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Well, you'd be hard pressed to leave him out. One
day crickets a different cattle of fish.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that one day squad is going to be interesting. Actually,
it has snuck up, hasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's gonna be funny about it is. It's going to
be the first Cricket World Cup that doesn't feature the
West Indies. They didn't qualify.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They did not you have to qualify. They did not play.
They did not play good cricket. I don't have a problem,
by the way, with I love the format. The format
reminds me of the first ever World Cup. I can
remember watching the ninety two to ninety three World Cup.
It was in Australia. Every team played every team. Yeah,
it was great, so you should do Yeah, I'm actually
really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I think they need to have eight teams in the
Cricket World Cup eight eight and the holder and the
host or hosts should should automatically qualify. Everyone else should
should be into pools.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think I like the idea of giving because if
you just go eight, then you're not going to give
like Scotland, Island, Netherlands. Those guys a chance, and I
like the fact that they get they get an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How many teams are in it? It's a ten or twelve? Ten?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, they've had more, they've had less. But
I think I think they're going to settle on ten
and ten players. What they do need to do. This
might not surprise you to me saying this. They need
to shorten it up. They need to have two games
on it at the same time. That's oh yeah, that's
the big problem. Oh yeah, hundreds. No, yeah, you're right
on that. Yeah, anyway, it's coming up. I think it's
in October. I'll probably be overseas, not of the cricket
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and now because Adam Jansen had it made and I'm
contractually obliged to play everything he's had made at least twice.
For the second and last time. On the Super serious
sports show is Carrigan Watch the short little segment of
all time.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Patty Carrigan scored a try.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yep, thanks Pat.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know who I blame? Who do you blame, Kevin Walters?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Why?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Because Pat Carrigan has been his entire career. If you're
playing prop or lock forward had injuries and he put
him on an edge. He started playing like an edge
back rower, got a beautiful pass, went through a gat
and scored a try.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Congratulations Pat Garrigan, You've made one of the most interesting
things that in rugby league almost irrelevant now, and that
is the player who has gone the longest without Well,
what's your definition of a current player contracted NROL player,
Contact an ERAL player? Would I would take it even further.
I'd say, contact a NURAL player who has played at
least one game this season. Thomas mcayley sixty seven games.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think he's played one game this year for the
Gold Coast Titans.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
If you take him out of the equation, because who's
next mcayley? Watch it gets really irrelevant after this. I
think we're going to stick this segment in the bin
for a couple of years. Who have you got, by
my reckoning, it's passam solu forty five games without a
trace for the Raiders. Yeah, but forty five games without
a tray, it's not even two full seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Who's next after that?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Leo Thompson from the Newcastle Knights, and that this is
how appalling this stat has now become thirty five alongside
Daniel Siluca Fafieda from South's thirty five. Keep going Wolford
thirty two. Heyax, Zach's on the list now, Zach has
made it potential. Zach does have plenty of potential.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
All right, here you go.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
If Zach goes to the top of the list, So
we'll take Thomas McAuley out of the equation because I'm
not I think Thomas mchaele will probably end up back
in the Super League next year. If Zach Wolford can
get himself to the top of that list, yep, then
and he can. He can do the favor. He can
throw a short pass to Pasami Salu and and and
and send him over.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah that that would require Selu being in the right position. Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I like Posami salus A. He's a he's a good
front rower, but he does not have tri scoring potential.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Look, it's a possibility that the Raiders are one up
with number one and two on that list in the
not two distant future. And to the next man is
Aaron Pennay from the Warriors, who's got thirty one. There's
no one else with thirty or more. Okay, Joseph sue
Lee is back in in speculation and analysis areas again.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Fox Sports Paul Crawley came in off the cameing off
the long run. If the Wallabies think Joseph of Courso
so he is going to solve all their problems, they
are kidding themselves. Well, we've had a discussion around Joseph
on the show before. He's a good player. I don't
think he's worth the money that the Wallabies are paying
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and I don't think I think Wallabies are in that
much trouble. I don't think he's going to help him anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I think he's worth the money potentially.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Potentially he's on about seven hundred k at the Roosters.
I'm not sure that's for this season or next season.
He's a good winger. He's got a big future ahead
of him. I've said it before. I don't think he's
going to be the superstar or the superstars to the
level that people are expecting or hoping. I just don't
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I think he's going to be. I don't think he's
going to be a Latrell Mitchell, a absolute prime James Tedesco,
a Billy Slater, or even like a Malmanninger. But I
think he'll I think he'll sit somewhere in between the
absolute elite, but better than your average State of Origin player.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah. I think if anyone is pinning in the
entirety of the Wallaby's hopes on Suela E being the
man for them, all they need to do is to
go and watch a replay of that letters Lay Cup
match on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Dear God, where's he going to play in rugby?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is he going to play fullbacks? Is he going to
play in the wing? Don't playing the centers? He's going
to need some bull service And I don't know if
I just don't know it to there.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The Rooster's very much found that he's best used to
them on the wing. When he moved into the centers,
far less impactful, had a couple of good games at fullback.
At the moment in rugby league, wing is his best position.
He's great under a high ball, He's very good at
jamming in off the wing and stopping players defensively. Needs
to develop a passing game, which is why he suited
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at the moment to playing on the wing and.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
In the fifteen man game is a back. He's going
to need that passing game anyway. I only want to
throw one more thing from rugby union in there. Well
we've averted that very quickly. The Wallaby's got belted by
New Zealand in the letters Loow Cup. They did twenty
one years in a row that New Zealand have won
the Lederslow Cup. New Zealand and not even ranked number
one in the world in rugby at the moment. Who
is Ireland be afraid of that? We've been pantsed by
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the second best team in the world. Australia has now
fallen to I think eighth in the world rankings, and
I think that may be a little bit flattering and
are all w you want to get into that because
try and pick winners.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
In that time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was going to say the upsets the Raiders girls
on the weekend, how good were they smashed? And then
did a raiderst thing and allowed the opposition back into it,
smashed the overwhelming favorites for the tournament. The Star started
Sydney Roosters. I know they were missing Jess Surgis and
Amber Hall, but still I thought the first week we
watched the Raiders in RLW side, I thought they played nervous.
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I thought they looked nervous. I think especially the players
that were on debut, so like hollymay Dodd Shay Robin's ready.
Holly may Dodd had come up with a couple of errors,
Shae Robin's ready was very quiet. And then on the
weekend against the Roosters we got to see what they
how they really play and they were both absolutely exceptional.
And the fullback Uppy Nickels, she's been fantastic both weeks
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so far. And the half back Sahara Temra, she was
also amazing. And speaking of amazing, Chris Coleman Raiders fans
new favorite player Grace Campis.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Camp absolutely if you're not into the NLW yet, do
yourself if I matched the Round this weekend, free to
wear TV across the country. I believe the Raiders against
the West Tigers, that's got to be the match.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The Round Tigers have only conceded eight points in two games.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Going to be a fascinating game. Geo Stadium Sunday afternoon.
For the first time in a good couple of years,
aj the top three teams in the AFL all lost
to teams that were prior to the weekend outside of
the top eight. I want you to tell me which
one of them you think was the biggest upset. Was
it the Friday night game where Carlton bet Collingwood ninety
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three to seventy six? Was it the Gold Coast beating
the Brisbane Lions ninety six to fifty five? Yes? Or
was it the Adelaide Crows one hundred and twelve beating
Power sixty five?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The Porter pretenders?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Really?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, there's second on the ladder. Yeah, they're pretenders. I
don't think Port are going to do much when the
blow torches on them in the finals. They've lost a
couple lately. I know they had that huge, big winning streak. Brisbane.
I think Brisbane might be pretenders as well. I think
when the going gets tough and we get to the
business and big finals down in Melbourne at the G,
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I think Brisbane could be in trouble as well. Brisbane
and Port probably want to play each other in a
prelim or one of the elimination finals.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think to advance.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
As the ladder stands, they would play each other in
the first round of finals, second versus third. I wonder,
I just wonder how much Brisbane. I'm missing Ashcroft in
the middle.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I've seen some games where I don't think he's
had that much impact. I just, oh, it's just something
about that Lion's team.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I've got this.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I've just got this perception of them over the last
couple of years that they're very good for the year
and then when we get to the finals, someone will
beat them. Demons seem to be timing things quite nicely.
Time they come back against Richmond very well on the weekend,
and the Demons are doing it without Clayton Oliver.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
They time they come back and they won that going
away five goals in the end.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I think I sent you a message going, hey,
put on the Melbourne Richmond game. It's awesome tied up
and I don't think that Richmond scored another goal. Carlton
are coming good. Gws are coming good.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They are coming good.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Dare I say it? The Swan's are coming good?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Not anymore? They've got gws this week.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
They usually the other day and then they ended up
losing by two points, sorry, winning by two points.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I want to go back to the Collingwood Carlton game
because we talked a bit about Nick Dacos earlier in
the season in very positive lights. There are people now
talking about him in less than glowing terms at the moment.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, because he's not passing the football. He has passed
in the football, but he's gone. There was a couple
of times in the game the other day. David King
from fox Foot, he brought this to people's attention. It's
a couple of times where he had the opportunity to
handball to a senior teammate and he chose to go
the glory play. Now, forget the points on the scoreboard.
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Where this becomes a problem is when you get back
into the change rooms after the game and the senior
players are like going to the twenty two year old
kid or whatever he is, mate, what are you doing
handball the ball? Don't go hunting brownlow points?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Is it something that has potentially been around a little
bit more but has been masked because Collingwood had been
winning games. I've won sixteen of nineteen, which in historic
terms in the AFL is very very good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Oh, it's great.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They won sixteen of eighteen prior to last week.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So if you call someone a ball magnet, you're giving
them a compliment. You call someone a ball hog. Now
which one is he? Is he ball magnet or is
he a ballhog? That's what they need to find out.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, well we might find out this week if someone's
had a quiet word to him. We'll see how he
goes this week when the Pies run out against Hawthorne.
If ever, there was a chance to give a few
were a hand to for you often give your teammates,
find out pick a bag.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
If he brushes Jamie Elliott again, we've got our answer.
I wouldn't mess with Jamie Elliott. No, no, yeah, I want
to divert to baseball to wrap this up. And they
fell the baseball Yeah, I know this is We've got
to put this somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's too good. It'll be too old to use this
if we if we waited a week for this week,
throw some baseball stats. I'm going to throw some numbers
at you. You've everyone I think has heard of Babe Ruth. Okay, yes,
and step the kid in the sandlot. Well, yeah, true,
you've seen that movie? Yeah I have? Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, some woman named Babe.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
His feats are starting to be matched by Shahi Tani.
Now this guy. If you haven't seen a film with
this man on ESPN or on a highlights package. Do
yourself a favor. Check him out. Someone's done the comparison.
I found this on the interwebs and I was unable
to track the original person, sover it was the original
author of this. He's listening, then, I apologize for not
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sitting YouTube tree out like I don't know, but I'm
just putting that out there. Babe Ruth in his first
one hundred in his first two hundred and seventy four
career games, hit one hundred and fifty nine home runs,
went thirty five and eighteen as a pitcher on the
mound in his first one hundred both was a pitcher, Yeah,
it was a boat two way player. Chohi A Tanne
hit one hundred and sixty home runs in his first
six hundred and seventy four games and as a pitcher
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went thirty five and eighteen in his first one hundred
and fifty five career innings, almost identical slightly better than
two players in MLB history have thirty five or more
home runs, ten or more stolen bases, five triples, and
three hundred or more batting average in the first ninety
five games of a season, which you. Let's take a
guest which.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Two Babe Ruth and Shohaia Tani Bingo.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes. And last week at Detroit, the Los Angeles Angels
had a doubleheader, two games on the one day. Shohatani
was the starting pitcher for the first game and a
Sports Nation graphic year one ten pm. The game started
as a starting pitcher, he gave up his only hit
as a pitcher that day at two twenty pm. Completed
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the game, so pitched all nine innings by three twenty six.
Then in the second game, which started at ten past four,
hit a home run at four forty five and another
one at five forty five. That, my friends, is a
day out by an all class athlete. If you get
the chance, if there's an Angels game being played and
it's on TV somewhere and Atarni's playing and it just watched,
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the man is a freak. He is one of the
best sports things to watch in the world right now.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
One area where he's got to catch up on Babe,
and it's going to take some time. How many World
Series did Babe Ruth win.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
He didn't do too well at Boston, but after he
went to the Yankees he did Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
He won. Now, he won a couple at the Red
Sox and then he won several at the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Did you have any of the Red Sox one in
the one hundred years after he left them?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
How many?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
None? Have they won any they have since? Yes, they've
they've they've expunged the curse of the Vambino.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, right, okay, how many show Atani won? None yet?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And well he keeps playing for the Angels the odds.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's sort of thing I've asked people before. I
was like, Chetani is one of the greatest baseball players
of all times. Yes, so why do the Angels suck?
It's genetic because they've got who's the other guy? They
got the other guy out? Yeah, yeah, they've got Mike
Trout as well.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They win games, how, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Some of the best players in the in the league.
And they are they a chance this year? They're a chance.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, they are a chance. They're still alive, and they've
held on to him through the trade deadline. Unless something
happened while we've been recording this program. They've held only
through the trade lit deadline, so they've gone all in.
But well, time will tell we'll start talking about the
post please and posts and picture in about six weeks.
It take us that long to get there anyway, Jake,
We've we've done way more program than we should. You're
gonna have fun editing it. For people who get the
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short version of the radio, I'll catch up with you
next week.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They're going to get the short version of the podcast
to give you the tip cough in.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, yeah, actually, see if you can work out where
we're a cough. I'll catch up with the next week.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Jane.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Thanks Amplify CBA
The Super Serious Sports Show with Chris Carmen and Adam Jansen.
Adam Stanislaus Jansen. There's been plenty going on in the
last week or so. What have you got that's caught
your eye in the world of sports.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
The Matilda's beat Canada, Australia lost the Fifth Test, The Raiders'
NRLW side beat the Roosters. Buddy Franklin got injured then retired.
Nick Dacos played another AFL game. What else happened? There
were some other things.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
There was other things and we'll talk about them and
more on this edition of The Super Serious Sports Show.
Let's launch into it. The biggest thing in sport around
the world at the moment is the Women's Football World
Cup happening right here in Australia. In New Zealand, it
is getting to the point of ende. They've sent half
the teams home, or they will have in the next
few hours, have sent half the team's home and it
gets to the knockout stage and New Zealand co hosts
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did not make it through a value efforts from them.
Australia though, we'll face Denmark. Interesting to see who Prince
Mary of Denmark being a good Tasmanian winds up supporting
John Denmark.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Have they that it'd be interesting avoided.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
England, avoided England by finishing top of the group, and
England finished top of their group.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, I'm glad they don't have to play the Netherlands
anytime soon because they won seven nil yesterday.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, but not against the world's greatest oppositions.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
The World Cup. They're all good.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
There's good and then there's very good.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Okay, Well, the Matildas on Monday night were very, very
good four nil over the Olympic champions.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Canada has been a bogie team for the Matildas over time.
And as you said, the Olympic Champions crowned less than
a year ago. They are gone a superpower and yeah,
they're gone. It's funny how World Cups work like that.
How do you rate the Matilda's chances at this point?
I mean they're one of sixteen teams left win win,
they win the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Well, they're not the favorites. I think they're about fifth
or six. But if they play like they did on
Monday night against Canada, then they're a red hot chants.
If they play like they did, even when they beat
Ireland one nill. I think after just a penalty or
when they were awful against Nigeria, then they'll be out
next round. Princess Mary can carry on being Princess Mary
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of Denmark or whatever she's called as.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Opposed to Princess Mary of is it Loncester or Hobart?
One of them, one of them Tazzy Tazzy, Yeah, Princess
Mary of Tazzy.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think Australia's chances are good.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Hopefully, hopefully Sam Kerr isn't just listed to play and
actually plays in that Round of sixteen game.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I don't know whether she will or not. I'm starting
to get the feeling that the injury that Sam Kurr
is carrying and it's a calf If it's a calf tear,
she'll be lucky if Australia makes the final and she
gets back on. Calf tears are very very difficult to
recover from.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
For the record, Australia's game versus Denmark Monday night, eight thirty.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
YEA and Australia gets a full week to recover.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Good.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
AJ. I'll leave it to you to start this next bit,
mainly because you are a Sydney Swans fan. So you've
had Buddy Franklin at your club on more money than
God for a day decade. He has now pulled the pin,
very suddenly, pulled the pin and retired from top level footy.
I suspect he might turn up in a few of
these one match appearances in country things over the next
few years, because almost every major retired player does it.
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But how do you feel about Buddy Franklin now that
his career is at AFL terms anyway over.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Well, he pulled the pin after he pulled the calf,
not the way he would have wanted to go out.
I was watching that game the other night, very very
good game against Essendon. Swan's got up by two. But
even when Buddy went off injured and it didn't really
look like anything too significant when it happened, but when
he got subbed out it was interesting. It was quite
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early in the game, I think it was the first
quarter or early in the second quarter. But Buddy's time
at the Swans, I think has been has been really good.
I've said it on the show before. I think he
played a year too long. Hasn't been as effective this
year as he was last year. Of course, he had
a really good season last year they made the Grand Final.
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It does allow the opportunity now for some younger players
I think are ready to go. So it does open
up a spot, it does. You know, there is a
bit of pressure on the other guys on the field
that when Buddy's out there, get the ball to Buddy,
so it takes that away as well. So it'll be interesting.
But yeah, the Swans of course, are not out of
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it for this year yet.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
No. They come up against the Giants this week.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They come up against the Red Hot Giants, the Orange Tsunami.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's back, it is back.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm just going to keep a lid on things for
the time being. But the Giants are playing for some
really nice footy and seems to have taken a leaf
out of Collingwood's book from last year. I don't worry
about how far behind you. I just go out and
play your game and it worked on the weekend against
the Western Bulldocks. Where would you put Buddy Franklin in
terms of all time full forwards.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
He's the best that I've seen. But I haven't been
around as long as you so.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And and I'm not a nice, nice, nice backhanded compliment
there that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You've got like twelve years on me. And I say
that more for more for his Hawthorne days than he
Swan's days. Yeah, I just remember him just some absolutely
spectacular play when he was back.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
At the Hawks. The Hawks got the better half of
Buddy's career.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I'm going to try at this point and put some
historical context into this, and I don't know how well
this is going to work out, but I have given
it a lot of thought. I've gone through lists and
lists and lists. First up, Buddy Franklin has kicked one
thousand goals one thousand and sixty six goals from three
hundred and fifty four career matches, which plays him fourth
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on the all time tally. That does not tell the
full story, but it puts him, for mine, comfortably in
the top ten. Okay, And I don't know how much
further into the top ten you go with him. When
You've got to look back at the other players who
I would put in that top ten, and most of
them are at that point he end Tony Lockett thirteen
hundred and sixty goals, the greatest number of goals of
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all time. You've got to put lock it up there.
Jason Dunstall twelve hundred and fifty four is third. Doug Wade.
I saw Doug Wade play maybe two games late in
his career for North, but I've seen a lot of
him on video kick the first goal at VFL Park,
a ground that is no longer used. So that matter
was a high priced recruits for the Kangaroos when free
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agency rules came in or some sort of transfer rules
came in in the nineteen seventies. So you've got to
have him up there. You've got to have Gary Abelot
up there in term and I'm talking senior at this point,
and in terms of skills and the ability to turn
a game on its head through his own singular efforts.
Best I've seen, not necessarily the best full forward I've seen,
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but the best I've seen in terms of just being
able to take a game by the scruff of the neck.
You've got Gordon Coventry, who I didnt see play because
he played in the nineteen twenties and thirties, the first
man to kick a thousand goals and had that record
as the most number of goals until Tony Lockett broke
it and twelve hundred nine nine still sits second on
the list, and if you don't have Gordon Coventry in
your top two or three full forwards, then you are
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kidding yourself. Twelve hundred and ninety nine goals from three
hundred and six games in an era where high scoring
was not the norm. There are three other names I
would throw in there at this point, which the shrewd
mathematicians listening will work out that means I've given nine.
I haven't even given a full top ten. That's deliberate
because it leaves people places to throw other names at me.
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Peter Hudson, the Great Peter Hudson kicks seven hundred and
twenty seven goals for Hawthorne from the one hundred and
thirty games, an absolute freak five point six four and
kick one hundred and fifty in the season went close
to another time. There was he had a duel, There
was him, There was Alex Jesselinko, who I would say
was more of a cent and a half forward that
played at full Ford. So I haven't included Jezzer there.
I would also include on on that list Peter McKenna.
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Peter McKennon eight hundred and seventy four goals for most
of them for Collywood, a few for Carton in the
end in one hundred ninety one games, again four point
five to eight per game, but none of those are
the one I'm going to put at the top of
the list, the greatest full forward for mine.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You say, Toby Green, I'm going to walk out.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You've got to go all the way down to and
I had to look for this one. On the all
time list of VFL goal score that scored is his
fifty fifth on that all time list, only kicked five
hundred and thirty seven goals, did not play one hundred games.
Career was tragically cut short by a knee injury, and
he died in a car crash not too long after retiring.
John Coleman, And I don't say that just because of
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his surname. Almost five and a half goals per game
and again played in the post year Pope, post war
era where high scores were not common, and he would
just come out and regularly kick monster bags. As his
record testifies, five hundred and thirty seven goals in ninety
eight games. I put him at the top of the pile.
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I then put Gordon Coventry second. I reckon Buddy might
go into the top three. He might just because his
career started in that era where high scores were common
and full forward's got bags of goals. But he managed
to keep it going despite the evolution of the game
after in the latter stages of his career, so that
that would be where I would put him third all time.
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But I'd love to know what other people think on
that as well. Do you think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I think that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Ten spot. You can maybe go a current player. You
could Tomahawk, Tom Hawkins.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Where's he fit now? Seven to seventy nine? Fourteenth full time?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I actually think the best full forward in the competition
at the moment is Charlie Kurno from your Carton Blues.
But my ex Carlton blu Rex Carton Blues. But Charlie's going.
He's gone well as a guy who had a lot
of injuries early in his career. Anyway, just to summarize
Lance Buddy Franklin's career one hundred and eighty two games
for Hawthorne, five hundred and eighty goals, one hundred and
seventy two games for the Swans, with four hundred and
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eighty six goals. So, like you said, three hundred and
fifty four games, one thousand and sixty six goals premiership
player in two thousand and eight and two twenty and
thirteen at the Hawks played in some other Grand finals
as well.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Lady Franklin, let's get ready for it. Were you the
super serious sports show? We did say there has been
a lot going on in the world of sport this week.
Of course, the Ashes came to a conclusion a bit
of a fizzer in the end from Australian terms, with
a late collapse on the fifth day after a rain
delay at the Oval, meaning that.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Screwed them twice.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The raindelays screwed them on day four, screwed him again
on day five. The rain came when they had all
the momentum and then they didn't win.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, England won the moral Ashes. Is what people are
saying over there. I've never heard that phrase before. About
two weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Let's lose a talk.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That that is loser talk, that is all that is.
Australia retained the Ashes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it.
There are people who are saying, oh, you know, should
you retain the ashes after a drawn series. This series
is really becoming has really become known as the knee
jerk reaction ashes. You've got world run down sooks like
Pierce Morgan saying that that a dismissal, dismissal that victimized
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an English player who had tried on multiple to execute
similar styles of dismissal in the past, were suddenly against
the spirit of cricket. You've got the English captain coming
out and saying, oh, we could play it till ten
o'clock at NATI at sun, don't got dout til after
ten o'clock. We could play it till all hours, but
that ran we could come back out after it red
and come and play crickets had had the rules in place.
(11:20):
I'm not arguing that the rules aren't stupid by the
way their laws. Yeah, true, Thank you for correcting me
on something I've corrected many others on.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yes, the laws of the game.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The laws of the game have been in place for
quite some time, and they get tweaked from tight to time,
and if they get tweaked after the series then that's fine.
But you can't just sit there and say, well, it's
been a law of the game for one hundred years,
let's change it now because it disadvantages us. And that's
the problem with claiming a moral Ashes victory. England is
a country in decline and is desperate to hang on
to anything. And if that means that they can say
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that they've got some sort of stiff upper lip after
their players and their members have chucked Tanti's at grounds
all over the UK, then they can stick it up
their jumper.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Apart from the obvious, which is the retention of the ashes.
What was your highlight?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Did you have one? I don't think there was.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Mitch Marsh's innings.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well, it's a highlight because.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
He didn't really came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It came out of nowhere and he went back to
obscurity afterwards. You know, when he came in on day
five of the Fifth Test, there was a chance for
him to really go down in cricket history as the
man who had that massive one hundred run a ball
earlier in the series and came out and then saved
the game. But it was another meek dismissal from him.
And I don't really have highlights.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
From about Ben Stokes. Herschel Gibbs impression. Well, that was funny.
That was hilarious. I have low lights. I have certainly
had things I'm going to remember. One is the way
that the Australians crapped their dacks every single time they'll
put under pressure. Every time England ramped up the pressure,
Australia backed off, except for in the first two Tests,
where England handled pressure worse than Australia.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Even in the first two Tests they sent men out
to the boundary. They as as soon as English players
started throwing the bat a bit. Okay, we're not going
to bowl conventional anymore. We're going to abandon what have
been good wicket taking deliveries for one hundred and forty
years of Test cricket.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I still don't like having a fast bowler as captain.
I never have.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I look the greatest respect to Pat Pat Cummens,
it's too much for him to think about.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Travis Head should be the captain.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What's wrong with Steve Smith.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He's getting close to retirement. He's already talking about retirement.
Travis Head, for me to play major league cricket and
give me the head of the team anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
David Warner's security spot in the reaction, the head of
the team. I thought that was good David and Warner.
I'm moving on. He's security spot in the Australian team.
He'll go get five more Tests, he'll get his retirement,
his retirement part at the SCG that he wants. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I actually think he did enough in the series to
retain his spot. The averages don't necessarily back that up,
but he didn't score significantly less runs than Marnas Lavashane.
Marns got saved by one century that he made and
he didn't really do anything else. Warner average better than
Cameron Green, so calond Green's and all round it Dave Warner,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't know if Cameron Green takes enough wickets to
be averaging twenty with the bat though.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah. I look, as you know, I'm not a fan
of Dave Warner, but he's going to get his five Tests.
So there's there's no point carrying on about that. They're
playing this summer West Indies and Pakistan. I think, well
he'll get he'll get his runs too. Ye'll finished with
a four hundred not out at the SCG. That really
sums it all up. There's a World Cup apparently shortly. Yes, Yeah,
we might get excited about that in a few weeks.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Every wanted to be in the World Cup side.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Well, you'd be hard pressed to leave him out. One
day crickets a different cattle of fish.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, that one day squad is going to be interesting. Actually,
it has snuck up, hasn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
It's gonna be funny about it is. It's going to
be the first Cricket World Cup that doesn't feature the
West Indies. They didn't qualify.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
They did not you have to qualify. They did not play.
They did not play good cricket. I don't have a problem,
by the way, with I love the format. The format
reminds me of the first ever World Cup. I can
remember watching the ninety two to ninety three World Cup.
It was in Australia. Every team played every team. Yeah,
it was great, so you should do Yeah, I'm actually
really looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I think they need to have eight teams in the
Cricket World Cup eight eight and the holder and the
host or hosts should should automatically qualify. Everyone else should
should be into pools.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I think I like the idea of giving because if
you just go eight, then you're not going to give
like Scotland, Island, Netherlands. Those guys a chance, and I
like the fact that they get they get an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
How many teams are in it? It's a ten or twelve? Ten?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, they've had more, they've had less. But
I think I think they're going to settle on ten
and ten players. What they do need to do. This
might not surprise you to me saying this. They need
to shorten it up. They need to have two games
on it at the same time. That's oh yeah, that's
the big problem. Oh yeah, hundreds. No, yeah, you're right
on that. Yeah, anyway, it's coming up. I think it's
in October. I'll probably be overseas, not of the cricket
(15:33):
and now because Adam Jansen had it made and I'm
contractually obliged to play everything he's had made at least twice.
For the second and last time. On the Super serious
sports show is Carrigan Watch the short little segment of
all time.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Patty Carrigan scored a try.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yep, thanks Pat.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know who I blame? Who do you blame, Kevin Walters?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Why?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Because Pat Carrigan has been his entire career. If you're
playing prop or lock forward had injuries and he put
him on an edge. He started playing like an edge
back rower, got a beautiful pass, went through a gat
and scored a try.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Congratulations Pat Garrigan, You've made one of the most interesting
things that in rugby league almost irrelevant now, and that
is the player who has gone the longest without Well,
what's your definition of a current player contracted NROL player,
Contact an ERAL player? Would I would take it even further.
I'd say, contact a NURAL player who has played at
least one game this season. Thomas mcayley sixty seven games.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think he's played one game this year for the
Gold Coast Titans.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
If you take him out of the equation, because who's
next mcayley? Watch it gets really irrelevant after this. I
think we're going to stick this segment in the bin
for a couple of years. Who have you got, by
my reckoning, it's passam solu forty five games without a
trace for the Raiders. Yeah, but forty five games without
a tray, it's not even two full seasons.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Who's next after that?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Leo Thompson from the Newcastle Knights, and that this is
how appalling this stat has now become thirty five alongside
Daniel Siluca Fafieda from South's thirty five. Keep going Wolford
thirty two. Heyax, Zach's on the list now, Zach has
made it potential. Zach does have plenty of potential.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
All right, here you go.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
If Zach goes to the top of the list, So
we'll take Thomas McAuley out of the equation because I'm
not I think Thomas mchaele will probably end up back
in the Super League next year. If Zach Wolford can
get himself to the top of that list, yep, then
and he can. He can do the favor. He can
throw a short pass to Pasami Salu and and and
and send him over.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah that that would require Selu being in the right position. Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I like Posami salus A. He's a he's a good
front rower, but he does not have tri scoring potential.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Look, it's a possibility that the Raiders are one up
with number one and two on that list in the
not two distant future. And to the next man is
Aaron Pennay from the Warriors, who's got thirty one. There's
no one else with thirty or more. Okay, Joseph sue
Lee is back in in speculation and analysis areas again.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Fox Sports Paul Crawley came in off the cameing off
the long run. If the Wallabies think Joseph of Courso
so he is going to solve all their problems, they
are kidding themselves. Well, we've had a discussion around Joseph
on the show before. He's a good player. I don't
think he's worth the money that the Wallabies are paying
(18:15):
and I don't think I think Wallabies are in that
much trouble. I don't think he's going to help him anyway.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I think he's worth the money potentially.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Potentially he's on about seven hundred k at the Roosters.
I'm not sure that's for this season or next season.
He's a good winger. He's got a big future ahead
of him. I've said it before. I don't think he's
going to be the superstar or the superstars to the
level that people are expecting or hoping. I just don't
(18:42):
I think he's going to be. I don't think he's
going to be a Latrell Mitchell, a absolute prime James Tedesco,
a Billy Slater, or even like a Malmanninger. But I
think he'll I think he'll sit somewhere in between the
absolute elite, but better than your average State of Origin player.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah. I think if anyone is pinning in the
entirety of the Wallaby's hopes on Suela E being the
man for them, all they need to do is to
go and watch a replay of that letters Lay Cup
match on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Dear God, where's he going to play in rugby?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is he going to play fullbacks? Is he going to
play in the wing? Don't playing the centers? He's going
to need some bull service And I don't know if
I just don't know it to there.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
The Rooster's very much found that he's best used to
them on the wing. When he moved into the centers,
far less impactful, had a couple of good games at fullback.
At the moment in rugby league, wing is his best position.
He's great under a high ball, He's very good at
jamming in off the wing and stopping players defensively. Needs
to develop a passing game, which is why he suited
(19:49):
at the moment to playing on the wing and.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
In the fifteen man game is a back. He's going
to need that passing game anyway. I only want to
throw one more thing from rugby union in there. Well
we've averted that very quickly. The Wallaby's got belted by
New Zealand in the letters Loow Cup. They did twenty
one years in a row that New Zealand have won
the Lederslow Cup. New Zealand and not even ranked number
one in the world in rugby at the moment. Who
is Ireland be afraid of that? We've been pantsed by
(20:12):
the second best team in the world. Australia has now
fallen to I think eighth in the world rankings, and
I think that may be a little bit flattering and
are all w you want to get into that because
try and pick winners.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
In that time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I was going to say the upsets the Raiders girls
on the weekend, how good were they smashed? And then
did a raiderst thing and allowed the opposition back into it,
smashed the overwhelming favorites for the tournament. The Star started
Sydney Roosters. I know they were missing Jess Surgis and
Amber Hall, but still I thought the first week we
watched the Raiders in RLW side, I thought they played nervous.
(20:45):
I thought they looked nervous. I think especially the players
that were on debut, so like hollymay Dodd Shay Robin's ready.
Holly may Dodd had come up with a couple of errors,
Shae Robin's ready was very quiet. And then on the
weekend against the Roosters we got to see what they
how they really play and they were both absolutely exceptional.
And the fullback Uppy Nickels, she's been fantastic both weeks
(21:07):
so far. And the half back Sahara Temra, she was
also amazing. And speaking of amazing, Chris Coleman Raiders fans
new favorite player Grace Campis.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Camp absolutely if you're not into the NLW yet, do
yourself if I matched the Round this weekend, free to
wear TV across the country. I believe the Raiders against
the West Tigers, that's got to be the match.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The Round Tigers have only conceded eight points in two games.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Going to be a fascinating game. Geo Stadium Sunday afternoon.
For the first time in a good couple of years,
aj the top three teams in the AFL all lost
to teams that were prior to the weekend outside of
the top eight. I want you to tell me which
one of them you think was the biggest upset. Was
it the Friday night game where Carlton bet Collingwood ninety
(21:48):
three to seventy six? Was it the Gold Coast beating
the Brisbane Lions ninety six to fifty five? Yes? Or
was it the Adelaide Crows one hundred and twelve beating
Power sixty five?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The Porter pretenders?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Really?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, there's second on the ladder. Yeah, they're pretenders. I
don't think Port are going to do much when the
blow torches on them in the finals. They've lost a
couple lately. I know they had that huge, big winning streak. Brisbane.
I think Brisbane might be pretenders as well. I think
when the going gets tough and we get to the
business and big finals down in Melbourne at the G,
(22:27):
I think Brisbane could be in trouble as well. Brisbane
and Port probably want to play each other in a
prelim or one of the elimination finals.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think to advance.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
As the ladder stands, they would play each other in
the first round of finals, second versus third. I wonder,
I just wonder how much Brisbane. I'm missing Ashcroft in
the middle.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I've seen some games where I don't think he's
had that much impact. I just, oh, it's just something
about that Lion's team.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I've got this.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I've just got this perception of them over the last
couple of years that they're very good for the year
and then when we get to the finals, someone will
beat them. Demons seem to be timing things quite nicely.
Time they come back against Richmond very well on the weekend,
and the Demons are doing it without Clayton Oliver.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
They time they come back and they won that going
away five goals in the end.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I think I sent you a message going, hey,
put on the Melbourne Richmond game. It's awesome tied up
and I don't think that Richmond scored another goal. Carlton
are coming good. Gws are coming good.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
They are coming good.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Dare I say it? The Swan's are coming good?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Not anymore? They've got gws this week.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
They usually the other day and then they ended up
losing by two points, sorry, winning by two points.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I want to go back to the Collingwood Carlton game
because we talked a bit about Nick Dacos earlier in
the season in very positive lights. There are people now
talking about him in less than glowing terms at the moment.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, because he's not passing the football. He has passed
in the football, but he's gone. There was a couple
of times in the game the other day. David King
from fox Foot, he brought this to people's attention. It's
a couple of times where he had the opportunity to
handball to a senior teammate and he chose to go
the glory play. Now, forget the points on the scoreboard.
(24:06):
Where this becomes a problem is when you get back
into the change rooms after the game and the senior
players are like going to the twenty two year old
kid or whatever he is, mate, what are you doing
handball the ball? Don't go hunting brownlow points?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Is it something that has potentially been around a little
bit more but has been masked because Collingwood had been
winning games. I've won sixteen of nineteen, which in historic
terms in the AFL is very very good.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Oh, it's great.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They won sixteen of eighteen prior to last week.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So if you call someone a ball magnet, you're giving
them a compliment. You call someone a ball hog. Now
which one is he? Is he ball magnet or is
he a ballhog? That's what they need to find out.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, well we might find out this week if someone's
had a quiet word to him. We'll see how he
goes this week when the Pies run out against Hawthorne.
If ever, there was a chance to give a few
were a hand to for you often give your teammates,
find out pick a bag.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
If he brushes Jamie Elliott again, we've got our answer.
I wouldn't mess with Jamie Elliott. No, no, yeah, I want
to divert to baseball to wrap this up. And they
fell the baseball Yeah, I know this is We've got
to put this somewhere.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It's too good. It'll be too old to use this
if we if we waited a week for this week,
throw some baseball stats. I'm going to throw some numbers
at you. You've everyone I think has heard of Babe Ruth. Okay, yes,
and step the kid in the sandlot. Well, yeah, true,
you've seen that movie? Yeah I have? Yep.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, some woman named Babe.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
His feats are starting to be matched by Shahi Tani.
Now this guy. If you haven't seen a film with
this man on ESPN or on a highlights package. Do
yourself a favor. Check him out. Someone's done the comparison.
I found this on the interwebs and I was unable
to track the original person, sover it was the original
author of this. He's listening, then, I apologize for not
(25:50):
sitting YouTube tree out like I don't know, but I'm
just putting that out there. Babe Ruth in his first
one hundred in his first two hundred and seventy four
career games, hit one hundred and fifty nine home runs,
went thirty five and eighteen as a pitcher on the
mound in his first one hundred both was a pitcher, Yeah,
it was a boat two way player. Chohi A Tanne
hit one hundred and sixty home runs in his first
six hundred and seventy four games and as a pitcher
(26:10):
went thirty five and eighteen in his first one hundred
and fifty five career innings, almost identical slightly better than
two players in MLB history have thirty five or more
home runs, ten or more stolen bases, five triples, and
three hundred or more batting average in the first ninety
five games of a season, which you. Let's take a
guest which.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Two Babe Ruth and Shohaia Tani Bingo.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yes. And last week at Detroit, the Los Angeles Angels
had a doubleheader, two games on the one day. Shohatani
was the starting pitcher for the first game and a
Sports Nation graphic year one ten pm. The game started
as a starting pitcher, he gave up his only hit
as a pitcher that day at two twenty pm. Completed
(26:46):
the game, so pitched all nine innings by three twenty six.
Then in the second game, which started at ten past four,
hit a home run at four forty five and another
one at five forty five. That, my friends, is a
day out by an all class athlete. If you get
the chance, if there's an Angels game being played and
it's on TV somewhere and Atarni's playing and it just watched,
(27:06):
the man is a freak. He is one of the
best sports things to watch in the world right now.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
One area where he's got to catch up on Babe,
and it's going to take some time. How many World
Series did Babe Ruth win.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
He didn't do too well at Boston, but after he
went to the Yankees he did Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
He won. Now, he won a couple at the Red
Sox and then he won several at the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Did you have any of the Red Sox one in
the one hundred years after he left them?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
How many?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
None? Have they won any they have since? Yes, they've
they've they've expunged the curse of the Vambino.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, right, okay, how many show Atani won? None yet?
Speaker 1 (27:46):
And well he keeps playing for the Angels the odds.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's sort of thing I've asked people before. I
was like, Chetani is one of the greatest baseball players
of all times. Yes, so why do the Angels suck?
It's genetic because they've got who's the other guy? They
got the other guy out? Yeah, yeah, they've got Mike
Trout as well.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
They win games, how, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Some of the best players in the in the league.
And they are they a chance this year? They're a chance.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, they are a chance. They're still alive, and they've
held on to him through the trade deadline. Unless something
happened while we've been recording this program. They've held only
through the trade lit deadline, so they've gone all in.
But well, time will tell we'll start talking about the
post please and posts and picture in about six weeks.
It take us that long to get there anyway, Jake,
We've we've done way more program than we should. You're
gonna have fun editing it. For people who get the
(28:36):
short version of the radio, I'll catch up with you
next week.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They're going to get the short version of the podcast
to give you the tip cough in.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, yeah, actually, see if you can work out where
we're a cough. I'll catch up with the next week.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Jane.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Thanks Amplify CBA
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