September 4, 2024 • 20 mins
Australian science populariser & commentator Dr Karl joins up live in studio! A LOT was covered in this chat including why you shouldn't sleep with someone crazier than you and what Dr Karl really thinks about astrology. Have a listen to hear how it all went down...
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We are joined by doctor Carl.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, doctor Carl, you know this blow. He has been
on the radio doing podcasts. He was on Triple J.
I think he still does some Triple J stuff. Yeah,
since nineteen eighty one, everyone knows the famous doctor Car.
Bring doctor Carl in everyone. Yeah, I take a see
doctor Suck.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He looks exactly the same as he looks on TV.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So Doctor Carl's science y memoir, A Periodic Tale, is
out now, and I always love having you on.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Doctor Carl.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Apparently you've done an autobiographies or bit entirely on your phone.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's right, she's written on her phone.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
No, No, a bit of both on computer.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And then I also had someone help me because I
needed to structure, because the thing is is that I
had two relationships happening simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What a little game.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So like I had Kyle, who I met at the
same time I met my husband. So are two separate
stories running side by side.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Carl, you've done fifty books or something, right, this is
number forty eight, number forty eight eight. Yeah, it doesn't
sound so surprised. It's just supposed to be an equal
powering here at both authors.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's incredible, well done.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Well, it's like the old Chinese saying the longest journey
begins with a single set. So I started off being
a qualified physicist working on the still in the Westgate
Bridge in Melbourne, which I found was inferior in quality,
and so therefore I had to resign from the steel works.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They went to New Guinea.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is they were still up that that bridge they're still
standing on?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Let me ask you a question. Is that a serious question?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You don't know if the west Gate Bridge has fallen
over in the last I.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Don't know since it was built. Like you quit and
then you were like, oh bridge.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Fell over, not before the inferior quality. And then I
went to New Guinea and then.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
We were in New Guinea. So are my parents?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We're in lay.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think the father is a bit of that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
While he was Yeah you met my mum there?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, wow?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He yeah? It was she a village.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
She was working in the military, was she? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Was he a what's that?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
A Kip is the Australian Patrol officer who was the
exemplar of the law in.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Nothing that nothing like that. What was he doing an accountant?
Was he yeah? Yeah, yeah, there would have been around
the same time. I'm assuming, what do.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You I was there in seventy one, so.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's exactly when they were there in l Did you
ever hook up with anyone?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Because my mom felt pregnant there.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The word hookup now has different.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Means it does. What does hookup mean to you?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Well, just a kiss in the old days, hook up
when we were physically meeting a place to have a
cup of coffee, and now I needs to love another
person very much in a special way. It does doctor
Carr that I had four parallel careers as a drug
raised hippie and a filmmaker and a car mechanic.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And did you take many cannabis?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
But then you're still on the hood thinking as I
was lucky because I took it after I had reached
my early twenties. Because if you take pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etcetera
during your developing years, it orders your brain. From a
father when he went to university, just went crazy on alcohol.
And he stopped when he realized that his brain wasn't
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as good anymore. So he just stopped.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, can I ask you?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And this is something that might deter people from trying
young people from trying certain drugs. But weed can activate
a dormant gene like schizophrenia, where that gene will not
be activated in your life, you'll never know you have it,
but weed is one of the drugs that can activate it.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
You have spoken words of great wisdom and people should
be aware of that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
There's an old drug that is aiming triple in, which
is used to be moderately good depressant and now sometimes
used for nerve pain. If you've got lower back pain,
three possible reactions. One you feel really bad and you
feel drowsy for the whole day, and you can't get
a good sleep for the next couple of days, and
you bring up the doct and say why do you
give me this drug? Or it does nothing at all,
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and you bring up the doc and say why do
you give me this drug? Or in the third population,
the pain goes away same drug. So you're dead right
with some people. If you've had the experience of saying
this is not my drug, I feel bad, I guess schizophrenic.
Just cut it and never touch it again. The weird
thing is that on the other hand, one hand, you
shouldn't take drugs, but all societies have this, and we've
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got writing going back five thousand years where every generation
of parents say the younger generation is stuffed, or they're cruel,
or they take drug It's been going on for thousands
of years.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Do you say, never sleep with a person who has
more problems than.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
You do, have sex with anybody has more problems?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Why sex? Just sex?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Because then you end up on a deeper relationship. And
then the way I found out this was happening to
me was I had this girlfriend who was dropping speed
all the time and I didn't know it. So she's
just taking these amphetamine tablets and she wanted to have
sex all the time until it work anymore. And then
one morning I was going off to do physiology when
I won at university well studying medicine, and I walked
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out the door. And after this, after a a night
of loving each other very much in a special way,
and I was exhausted, and she came flying out of
the door and launched herself and then land on my
waist and then slid down to my legs while offering
delights of wonderfulness. And I'm thinking is I'm really tired.
I want to do my physiology lecture. And then suddenly
the heavens opened up, and I'm sure it was God
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herself personally said to me, never have sex with anybody
who have any more more problems than you do the
second sex ever with anyone, Right, So, don't have sex
with sex is great, but you pay for it, and
you're paying for it right now.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And do you know what?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Most people never learned that in their whole lives. Yeah,
I'll tell you another thing. Most people never don't never
learn their whole lives. In public buildings, the elevators, the
toilets are usually near the elevators.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The toy your will ours are.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, but did you see most people don't know?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And actually, yes, you're right. In our last building, they were,
why is that?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, because it's the service ducked.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So you've got where the people hang out and where
you provide the water, the sewerage, the through city.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Missing you're ever in a building flot like on a
level and you're thinking, I wonder where the toilet is,
go to the lift and it'll be right now.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Just when I was a medical doctor, because so I've
had a bunch of crews, including test driving four drives
in austraighten out back for a couple of decades, and.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I've spent how old are you one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I'm older than the letters bit younger than a mountain.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right, because you sound like you've lived ten lives.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, well it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Like you've been a cab driver till my friends got killed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I haven't beaten unconscious.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You've got beaten as a cab driver.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I got beaten unconscious. This all in the book.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then did you not pick them up at three am?
Or what was the goat? You know how sometimes the
cab is they say, I was sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And a long job out to campbelltown Way in the
far west of Sydney, and I was coming back empty
on middle of winter. There wasn't much happening on the radio.
I had the windows down and I came through infield.
I suddenly heard this voice saying, hey, Cabby, and I.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Couldn't see that.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I just came to a screeching halt, and then suddenly
somebody started running towards me from a group of people,
followed by another person, and the first person in the
car was a woman who said she opened the door
and said go, go, go go, and I said yes,
and so I started taking off, and the almost immediately
is I was just starting to take off, the person
chasing her then followed and then managed to open the door,
grab the door, open it, and then while I was
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still rolling, put their right hand on the passenger door
pillar behind the seat, and then because I was rolling forward,
the door then shut on their fingers. And then so
I'm going forward and there's this woman screaming go go go,
and near the guy screaming in pain, and I'm thinking,
oh my god, if I keep going, I'll rip his
fingers off. And I'm just this cab drive in the
middle of nowhere. So I came to a screeching hot
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his mates, who didn't realize, came along. They opened the door,
they dragged me out. They beat me unconscious. And the
weirdest thing, I don't know if you of you ever
been beaten unconscious. The weirdest thing is that in my case,
as I was going down, I was thought, I no
longer have any control over anything. Comma, I hope they
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don't kill me. And as it turned out, they didn't,
and they just beating my unconscious and broke a few
ribs and stuff. And then they took because I was
a driver.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Trying to get her a woman, What were they trying to.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Do to the poor lady?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
They took her away, raped her, dump her in the
ditch after breaking her legs?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Did she know these people? Who are they?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I didn't get that from the cops. I reported to
the cops. I didn't know anything for it all in
the memoir, sure, but there are happy bits in there
as well.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
On belly button fluff. You won't know about billy button fluff.
I got an Ignoble prize for that, and Harvard University,
you got the Nobel Prize. The Nobel Prize is when
you do something really good, clever enough, or like enough,
the ignoble prices for research that cannot or should not
be done. And so Harvard University, after I did my
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brown breaking research on billy button fluff, flew me all
the way to Harvard and provided accommodation entirely at my
own expense, because they did not want to insult me
by offering me mere money.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's how highly regard the prize.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Instead of the gold medal and a million dollars is
you know there's red wind up chattering teeth.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What would you prefer? I think?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And also I helped invent the word selfie. Don't forget
that he did.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I thought that was Paris Hilton.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
So back in two thousand and three, Yeah, on the
thirdength of September, Nathan Hope here afternoon as Hope. He
went online and said I went to you know, I
got these stitches in my face in there old literally
in the discussion went back and forwards, and at three
o'clock he then posted something like went to a maid's
place for a twenty first, got drunk, fell over, put
my lower lip through my lower put my lower teeth
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through my lower lip, and then he posted an out
of focus photograph and then said then typed in, sorry
about the selfie, sorry about the focus. Comma, it was
a selfie. And that was in two thousand and three.
Twenty seventeen in the Oxford English Dictionary, which is sort
of like the Control of the English Language, then made
that the Oxford English Dictionary Word of the Year because
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in the previous year the usage had increased by seventy
thousand percent, and they said and guess which homepage had
appeared on.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My homepage?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I didn't that's where you come here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So I was a handmaiden. I provided the warm environment.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
We're still on that speed now, oh god, no, no, no, no, yeah,
So you didn't know drugs?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I have alcohol every now and there. See the
thing about I.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Don't mind it. I don't mind a puff puff pass.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, it's weird because if you look at a pharmacologically,
the effects of alcohol and speed are kind of similar.
Except sorry, marijuana, but marijuana is much less violent. If
you talk to the cops in New York, whereas legal,
they say the big difference is that nobody's trying to
pick a fight.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
No one's no drunks punch on with each other, weed heads,
bond heads, no one's fighting.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Right, But it's legal in New York, and I think
it's quasi illegal in South Australia and Camber. And my
advice is follow the laws of the land. You know,
you don't want to end up in jail. Sharing a
cell with a large hairy man is love and hate Patty.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah yeah, Now, doctor Carl, I have to ask you
your thoughts on astrology.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's something I've gotten into in the last year, and there's.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
This app running a whole life based on where the
planet is.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
App called the Pattern has been in development for like
over well over a decade before they launched it, and
the information they have, like it's not like star signed horoscopes.
It's just mind blowing it and it made me real
because it tells you things like what's coming up for you,
like what your pattern is that's coming.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Up astrologically, believe, and what's what's likely to happen?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Is that every single time these things are like so accurate.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Or are they just so generic that they are a
very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, here's something very deep. You ready for it?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The difference between sire and screwing around is that you
write it down. Have you written down the predictions and
then check whether they came through as an exist You've.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Got a listen of that because you can time travel
backwards and look at everything.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Have you done it? And then analyze it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
So if you ask any police officer or hospital worker,
is there an increase in your workload around the full moon,
I'll all.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Say yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But when you look at the records going back over
ten years of all the countries in the world. You'll
find that there's no peak in police admission, psychiatric admissions,
or emergency admissions around the full moon. And you'll say,
but because of confirmation bias. Con So you're thinking, wow,
this really suits me and therefore I believe it. But
have you What you're going to do is write it down,
make a record, and then come back and look at
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it after all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Every single thing, everything, not just taking the wins.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But I have done that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Show us the record. I'll show you on your phone.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's all on the phone.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
On one hand, all of a sudden show because one
just recently showing that astrology doesn't work. On the other hand,
the confirmation by so what have you done?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Tell me guys, we'll cancel the next guest because that
is going to really dig exactly.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Can I ask doctor Carl when you when we have
our star science hello, our star signs and our traits
of our star signs. That always seems to be quite accurate.
But do you just think no, way, that's that's totally off.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Every year in psychology one O one, around week three,
they hand out these charts saying, now we know your
birthday and each one of these has been.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Tailored exactly to you.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Fred come up here, Alfred come up here and just
sind and he give each one a sheet and they say, okay,
tell me with suits you And overwhelmingly the students say,
oh man, it really gave out the MEA says things
like you are rooted in the ground and you float
like a cloud. So it says two things at a contrary,
and they're all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Exactly you're talking. No, you're talking about those generic horror.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Members forty eight books. You've done that to give.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You example, because I remember an exact one that i'd
written down. So this was the year my husband and
I separated, right, so this was that's fine, I could.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Happen second husband, so she was used to it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So we were together for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And the pattern that came up for me for that
period of time, which I didn't know at the time.
I only look back on this as a It says
that a relationship will be ending and that it is
a nineteen year cycle something you've and I know it's
one year out like it said in nineteen, it was
only eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But it said that this is a.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Moment where you will be analyzing your relationships and most
likely closing them out. Closing a relationship a significant relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Okay, now, firstly, the year was wrong, but you were well.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
No, no, the year was right, but it just said
it was a nineteen So when you think about it,
it was by the time we separated, it was nineteen years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yelling it the man make the change his mind, so
go on. It may work at home.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
But on the other hand, did it say the relationship
with your dog or the plant that you're growing in
the front?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Do it said a significant personal relationship?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So that Barrista, No significant?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Did it say spouse?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
No it didn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They always give vague things, but that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Pattern doesn't come up very often when you look at
it like I look at it and go wow.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
That's the whole point of confirmation bias. So the cops
look out the window and they say, gee, it's really busy.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's a full moon. It's really busy. One caused the other.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
But when you look at the stats over a ten
year period for all the countries of the world, you
do not see the peaks on the full moon.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You do not, So you don't believe in it at all.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Believe is the wrong word. Believe means to accept something
without evidence. So in my scular physics, we have a
person who is the top Einstein relativity person in a
whole southern hemisphere, and at the same time is a
minister of religion, so that part of their brain believes group,
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and the other side says, I'm a believer anything until
you give me that. You got to give me the facts.
So you can have both things running in the same bread.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
But what is your personal belief on astrology?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I don't have a belief. The data just coming through.
There's a study just last week and it just analyzed
so much more and says there's just no link.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But it's a whole personal belife.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
So you've turned eighteen into nineteen and you've turned a
non spouse into your spouse. If it had said and
your spouse, sure, that's pretty right. But a significant relationship
like I really.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Love my dog, I wouldn't call it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But if I've died, you'd call that very sick exactly.
It would break your heart.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, of course I know. But there were other things too,
like keep some other stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Does not ask any the next cop or health worker,
is there a peak in activity on the full moon.
Go and just ask them and they'll say, oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
There's but you know what, But here's what I would
say to that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I used to work the phones on radio before I
was on hour in my early days. Now, when the
full moon came out every time every month there was
a full moon, every crazy person was on the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Did you write it down?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
There was a mental note note.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The difference between science and screwing around is writing it down.
I got that from Adam Savage from The MythBusters. He's
very good on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I said, that guy that blows up things now, I
like that show. Yeah, I love that show to pieces.
But you're right, you got to write. You just believe
what resonates with you. Sure, and you dismissed all the
other things. You're only looking for the proof.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Sure, it's called the fancy term is confirmations bias. And
there's a whole universe of stuff, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Pick out what you want and you pretend it is
a bad thing.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
People say to me in one conversation that number one
Princess Diana was actually assassinated by the British royal family,
but she's still alive. And they say, both things in
the same conversation. They believe she's still alive, but by
the British Royal family in the same they have the
two different things in the same brain. Like my colleague
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is a minister of religion relies entirely on faith without proof,
but it is also an expert on Einstein, which lies
entirely on proof.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The two things can exist.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I've I'm one of the very few people on earth
that have seen the photograph of Diana alive in the wreck,
looking right at the camera. Alive. She didn't actually die
straight away.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And according to the Mercedes engineers, if she'd worn a
seat belt, she wouldn't have died.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, isn't that sad? Wouldn't she have been wearing a
seat belt.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You've got to ask a certain fame level, and you think, well,
I don't need to wear that.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Just because you're above the laws of the land and
you can buy your way out of anything, doesn't mean
you're above the laws of physics. No, we haven't mentioned
the name of my book, which is a periodic time.
I did.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
See how the confirmation bias exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You came in here, said the name.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And I made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Was remind the tape, and we got the tape. Yeah,
doctor Carl's Memoir and Periodic Tale, and that's what it's
out now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I've see how I made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but you were walking in and everyone was cheering you.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, but I made a mistake and I firmly believed it.
And the good thing about mistakes is that, well, first
everybody makes mistakes. You just don't want to make the
same one too often.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, that is right, or that tomorrow Jackie will still
read out the horoscopes will And by the way, the
way I learned about the toilets and elevators was as
a medical doctor.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was dealing with people who had inflammatory bowel disease.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
One cares about this, they do.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And the thing was that for them, whenever they go
out in public, they know where every toilet is, because.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's the same as the homosexuals that work here. Yeah,
we going for different reasons. You know where all the
public are, they know where they all are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, So that's how I learned that from them.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Little advice from little tips. The good luck with this
to be fantastic. He's done forty eight books.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And you've done your first book.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I was trying to work.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Out because I was told wrongly that you had done
it with your your phone. I was thinking your iPhone.
So eighty thousand words in a book four hundred thousand
characters are two hundred and fifty thousand movements with your thumb.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You've got inflamed.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Peter Pete, your publicist is out there. What's going on? Peter?
The publicist says they've missed three other interviews quite long.
Doctor Carl is hard to wrap it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We love him for it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
At the same time, you got your girl saying that's enough.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I'm just like a paddle popstick in the gutter of life,
following the currents where they watching. I have no control.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You're a fascinating man.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, sometimes you go with the flow and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now, what was that about the elevator thing about.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Cayle and Jackie.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Oh,
We are joined by doctor Carl.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, doctor Carl, you know this blow. He has been
on the radio doing podcasts. He was on Triple J.
I think he still does some Triple J stuff. Yeah,
since nineteen eighty one, everyone knows the famous doctor Car.
Bring doctor Carl in everyone. Yeah, I take a see
doctor Suck.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
He looks exactly the same as he looks on TV.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
So Doctor Carl's science y memoir, A Periodic Tale, is
out now, and I always love having you on.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Doctor Carl.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Good morning, Good morning.
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Apparently you've done an autobiographies or bit entirely on your phone.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's right, she's written on her phone.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
No, No, a bit of both on computer.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
And then I also had someone help me because I
needed to structure, because the thing is is that I
had two relationships happening simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
What a little game.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
So like I had Kyle, who I met at the
same time I met my husband. So are two separate
stories running side by side.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Carl, you've done fifty books or something, right, this is
number forty eight, number forty eight eight. Yeah, it doesn't
sound so surprised. It's just supposed to be an equal
powering here at both authors.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's incredible, well done.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
Well, it's like the old Chinese saying the longest journey
begins with a single set. So I started off being
a qualified physicist working on the still in the Westgate
Bridge in Melbourne, which I found was inferior in quality,
and so therefore I had to resign from the steel works.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
They went to New Guinea.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is they were still up that that bridge they're still
standing on?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Let me ask you a question. Is that a serious question?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You don't know if the west Gate Bridge has fallen
over in the last I.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Don't know since it was built. Like you quit and
then you were like, oh bridge.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Fell over, not before the inferior quality. And then I
went to New Guinea and then.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
We were in New Guinea. So are my parents?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
We're in lay.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think the father is a bit of that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
While he was Yeah you met my mum there?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Ah?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, wow?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
He yeah? It was she a village.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
She was working in the military, was she? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Was he a what's that?
Speaker 5 (02:05):
A Kip is the Australian Patrol officer who was the
exemplar of the law in.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Nothing that nothing like that. What was he doing an accountant?
Was he yeah? Yeah, yeah, there would have been around
the same time. I'm assuming, what do.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You I was there in seventy one, so.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
That's exactly when they were there in l Did you
ever hook up with anyone?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Because my mom felt pregnant there.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
The word hookup now has different.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Means it does. What does hookup mean to you?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Well, just a kiss in the old days, hook up
when we were physically meeting a place to have a
cup of coffee, and now I needs to love another
person very much in a special way. It does doctor
Carr that I had four parallel careers as a drug
raised hippie and a filmmaker and a car mechanic.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
And did you take many cannabis?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:50):
But then you're still on the hood thinking as I
was lucky because I took it after I had reached
my early twenties. Because if you take pharmaceuticals, alcohol, etcetera
during your developing years, it orders your brain. From a
father when he went to university, just went crazy on alcohol.
And he stopped when he realized that his brain wasn't
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as good anymore. So he just stopped.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Well, can I ask you?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
And this is something that might deter people from trying
young people from trying certain drugs. But weed can activate
a dormant gene like schizophrenia, where that gene will not
be activated in your life, you'll never know you have it,
but weed is one of the drugs that can activate it.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
You have spoken words of great wisdom and people should
be aware of that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And I'll give you an example.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
There's an old drug that is aiming triple in, which
is used to be moderately good depressant and now sometimes
used for nerve pain. If you've got lower back pain,
three possible reactions. One you feel really bad and you
feel drowsy for the whole day, and you can't get
a good sleep for the next couple of days, and
you bring up the doct and say why do you
give me this drug? Or it does nothing at all,
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and you bring up the doc and say why do
you give me this drug? Or in the third population,
the pain goes away same drug. So you're dead right
with some people. If you've had the experience of saying
this is not my drug, I feel bad, I guess schizophrenic.
Just cut it and never touch it again. The weird
thing is that on the other hand, one hand, you
shouldn't take drugs, but all societies have this, and we've
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got writing going back five thousand years where every generation
of parents say the younger generation is stuffed, or they're cruel,
or they take drug It's been going on for thousands
of years.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Do you say, never sleep with a person who has
more problems than.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
You do, have sex with anybody has more problems?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Why sex? Just sex?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
What?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Because then you end up on a deeper relationship. And
then the way I found out this was happening to
me was I had this girlfriend who was dropping speed
all the time and I didn't know it. So she's
just taking these amphetamine tablets and she wanted to have
sex all the time until it work anymore. And then
one morning I was going off to do physiology when
I won at university well studying medicine, and I walked
(04:58):
out the door. And after this, after a a night
of loving each other very much in a special way,
and I was exhausted, and she came flying out of
the door and launched herself and then land on my
waist and then slid down to my legs while offering
delights of wonderfulness. And I'm thinking is I'm really tired.
I want to do my physiology lecture. And then suddenly
the heavens opened up, and I'm sure it was God
(05:18):
herself personally said to me, never have sex with anybody
who have any more more problems than you do the
second sex ever with anyone, Right, So, don't have sex
with sex is great, but you pay for it, and
you're paying for it right now.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And do you know what?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Most people never learned that in their whole lives. Yeah,
I'll tell you another thing. Most people never don't never
learn their whole lives. In public buildings, the elevators, the
toilets are usually near the elevators.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
The toy your will ours are.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, but did you see most people don't know?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
And actually, yes, you're right. In our last building, they were,
why is that?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well, because it's the service ducked.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So you've got where the people hang out and where
you provide the water, the sewerage, the through city.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Missing you're ever in a building flot like on a
level and you're thinking, I wonder where the toilet is,
go to the lift and it'll be right now.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Just when I was a medical doctor, because so I've
had a bunch of crews, including test driving four drives
in austraighten out back for a couple of decades, and.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I've spent how old are you one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I'm older than the letters bit younger than a mountain.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Right, because you sound like you've lived ten lives.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, well it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Like you've been a cab driver till my friends got killed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I haven't beaten unconscious.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You've got beaten as a cab driver.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I got beaten unconscious. This all in the book.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And then did you not pick them up at three am?
Or what was the goat? You know how sometimes the
cab is they say, I was sorry.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
And a long job out to campbelltown Way in the
far west of Sydney, and I was coming back empty
on middle of winter. There wasn't much happening on the radio.
I had the windows down and I came through infield.
I suddenly heard this voice saying, hey, Cabby, and I.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Couldn't see that.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I just came to a screeching halt, and then suddenly
somebody started running towards me from a group of people,
followed by another person, and the first person in the
car was a woman who said she opened the door
and said go, go, go go, and I said yes,
and so I started taking off, and the almost immediately
is I was just starting to take off, the person
chasing her then followed and then managed to open the door,
grab the door, open it, and then while I was
(07:14):
still rolling, put their right hand on the passenger door
pillar behind the seat, and then because I was rolling forward,
the door then shut on their fingers. And then so
I'm going forward and there's this woman screaming go go go,
and near the guy screaming in pain, and I'm thinking,
oh my god, if I keep going, I'll rip his
fingers off. And I'm just this cab drive in the
middle of nowhere. So I came to a screeching hot
(07:34):
his mates, who didn't realize, came along. They opened the door,
they dragged me out. They beat me unconscious. And the
weirdest thing, I don't know if you of you ever
been beaten unconscious. The weirdest thing is that in my case,
as I was going down, I was thought, I no
longer have any control over anything. Comma, I hope they
(07:57):
don't kill me. And as it turned out, they didn't,
and they just beating my unconscious and broke a few
ribs and stuff. And then they took because I was
a driver.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Trying to get her a woman, What were they trying to.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Do to the poor lady?
Speaker 5 (08:09):
They took her away, raped her, dump her in the
ditch after breaking her legs?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Did she know these people? Who are they?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I didn't get that from the cops. I reported to
the cops. I didn't know anything for it all in
the memoir, sure, but there are happy bits in there
as well.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
On belly button fluff. You won't know about billy button fluff.
I got an Ignoble prize for that, and Harvard University,
you got the Nobel Prize. The Nobel Prize is when
you do something really good, clever enough, or like enough,
the ignoble prices for research that cannot or should not
be done. And so Harvard University, after I did my
(08:47):
brown breaking research on billy button fluff, flew me all
the way to Harvard and provided accommodation entirely at my
own expense, because they did not want to insult me
by offering me mere money.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's how highly regard the prize.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Instead of the gold medal and a million dollars is
you know there's red wind up chattering teeth.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
What would you prefer? I think?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And also I helped invent the word selfie. Don't forget
that he did.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I thought that was Paris Hilton.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
So back in two thousand and three, Yeah, on the
thirdength of September, Nathan Hope here afternoon as Hope. He
went online and said I went to you know, I
got these stitches in my face in there old literally
in the discussion went back and forwards, and at three
o'clock he then posted something like went to a maid's
place for a twenty first, got drunk, fell over, put
my lower lip through my lower put my lower teeth
(09:37):
through my lower lip, and then he posted an out
of focus photograph and then said then typed in, sorry
about the selfie, sorry about the focus. Comma, it was
a selfie. And that was in two thousand and three.
Twenty seventeen in the Oxford English Dictionary, which is sort
of like the Control of the English Language, then made
that the Oxford English Dictionary Word of the Year because
(09:59):
in the previous year the usage had increased by seventy
thousand percent, and they said and guess which homepage had
appeared on.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
My homepage?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I didn't that's where you come here.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So I was a handmaiden. I provided the warm environment.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
We're still on that speed now, oh god, no, no, no, no, yeah,
So you didn't know drugs?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I have alcohol every now and there. See the
thing about I.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Don't mind it. I don't mind a puff puff pass.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Well, it's weird because if you look at a pharmacologically,
the effects of alcohol and speed are kind of similar.
Except sorry, marijuana, but marijuana is much less violent. If
you talk to the cops in New York, whereas legal,
they say the big difference is that nobody's trying to
pick a fight.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
No one's no drunks punch on with each other, weed heads,
bond heads, no one's fighting.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Right, But it's legal in New York, and I think
it's quasi illegal in South Australia and Camber. And my
advice is follow the laws of the land. You know,
you don't want to end up in jail. Sharing a
cell with a large hairy man is love and hate Patty.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah yeah, Now, doctor Carl, I have to ask you
your thoughts on astrology.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
It's something I've gotten into in the last year, and there's.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
This app running a whole life based on where the
planet is.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
App called the Pattern has been in development for like
over well over a decade before they launched it, and
the information they have, like it's not like star signed horoscopes.
It's just mind blowing it and it made me real
because it tells you things like what's coming up for you,
like what your pattern is that's coming.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Up astrologically, believe, and what's what's likely to happen?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Is that every single time these things are like so accurate.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Or are they just so generic that they are a
very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, here's something very deep. You ready for it?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
The difference between sire and screwing around is that you
write it down. Have you written down the predictions and
then check whether they came through as an exist You've.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Got a listen of that because you can time travel
backwards and look at everything.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Have you done it? And then analyze it.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
So if you ask any police officer or hospital worker,
is there an increase in your workload around the full moon,
I'll all.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Say yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But when you look at the records going back over
ten years of all the countries in the world. You'll
find that there's no peak in police admission, psychiatric admissions,
or emergency admissions around the full moon. And you'll say,
but because of confirmation bias. Con So you're thinking, wow,
this really suits me and therefore I believe it. But
have you What you're going to do is write it down,
make a record, and then come back and look at
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it after all.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Every single thing, everything, not just taking the wins.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
But I have done that.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Show us the record. I'll show you on your phone.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's all on the phone.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
On one hand, all of a sudden show because one
just recently showing that astrology doesn't work. On the other hand,
the confirmation by so what have you done?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Tell me guys, we'll cancel the next guest because that
is going to really dig exactly.
Speaker 6 (13:09):
Can I ask doctor Carl when you when we have
our star science hello, our star signs and our traits
of our star signs. That always seems to be quite accurate.
But do you just think no, way, that's that's totally off.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Every year in psychology one O one, around week three,
they hand out these charts saying, now we know your
birthday and each one of these has been.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Tailored exactly to you.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Fred come up here, Alfred come up here and just
sind and he give each one a sheet and they say, okay,
tell me with suits you And overwhelmingly the students say,
oh man, it really gave out the MEA says things
like you are rooted in the ground and you float
like a cloud. So it says two things at a contrary,
and they're all.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Exactly you're talking. No, you're talking about those generic horror.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Members forty eight books. You've done that to give.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
You example, because I remember an exact one that i'd
written down. So this was the year my husband and
I separated, right, so this was that's fine, I could.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Happen second husband, so she was used to it.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So we were together for eighteen years.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And the pattern that came up for me for that
period of time, which I didn't know at the time.
I only look back on this as a It says
that a relationship will be ending and that it is
a nineteen year cycle something you've and I know it's
one year out like it said in nineteen, it was
only eighteen.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But it said that this is a.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Moment where you will be analyzing your relationships and most
likely closing them out. Closing a relationship a significant relationship.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Okay, now, firstly, the year was wrong, but you were well.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
No, no, the year was right, but it just said
it was a nineteen So when you think about it,
it was by the time we separated, it was nineteen years.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yelling it the man make the change his mind, so
go on. It may work at home.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
But on the other hand, did it say the relationship
with your dog or the plant that you're growing in
the front?
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Do it said a significant personal relationship?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
So that Barrista, No significant?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Did it say spouse?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
No it didn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
They always give vague things, but that.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Pattern doesn't come up very often when you look at
it like I look at it and go wow.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
That's the whole point of confirmation bias. So the cops
look out the window and they say, gee, it's really busy.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's a full moon. It's really busy. One caused the other.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
But when you look at the stats over a ten
year period for all the countries of the world, you
do not see the peaks on the full moon.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
You do not, So you don't believe in it at all.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Believe is the wrong word. Believe means to accept something
without evidence. So in my scular physics, we have a
person who is the top Einstein relativity person in a
whole southern hemisphere, and at the same time is a
minister of religion, so that part of their brain believes group,
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and the other side says, I'm a believer anything until
you give me that. You got to give me the facts.
So you can have both things running in the same bread.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
But what is your personal belief on astrology?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
I don't have a belief. The data just coming through.
There's a study just last week and it just analyzed
so much more and says there's just no link.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
But it's a whole personal belife.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
So you've turned eighteen into nineteen and you've turned a
non spouse into your spouse. If it had said and
your spouse, sure, that's pretty right. But a significant relationship
like I really.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Love my dog, I wouldn't call it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But if I've died, you'd call that very sick exactly.
It would break your heart.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, of course I know. But there were other things too,
like keep some other stuff.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Does not ask any the next cop or health worker,
is there a peak in activity on the full moon.
Go and just ask them and they'll say, oh, yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
There's but you know what, But here's what I would
say to that.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
I used to work the phones on radio before I
was on hour in my early days. Now, when the
full moon came out every time every month there was
a full moon, every crazy person was on the phone.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Did you write it down?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
There was a mental note note.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The difference between science and screwing around is writing it down.
I got that from Adam Savage from The MythBusters. He's
very good on that.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I said, that guy that blows up things now, I
like that show. Yeah, I love that show to pieces.
But you're right, you got to write. You just believe
what resonates with you. Sure, and you dismissed all the
other things. You're only looking for the proof.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Sure, it's called the fancy term is confirmations bias. And
there's a whole universe of stuff, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Pick out what you want and you pretend it is
a bad thing.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
People say to me in one conversation that number one
Princess Diana was actually assassinated by the British royal family,
but she's still alive. And they say, both things in
the same conversation. They believe she's still alive, but by
the British Royal family in the same they have the
two different things in the same brain. Like my colleague
(18:00):
is a minister of religion relies entirely on faith without proof,
but it is also an expert on Einstein, which lies
entirely on proof.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The two things can exist.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I've I'm one of the very few people on earth
that have seen the photograph of Diana alive in the wreck,
looking right at the camera. Alive. She didn't actually die
straight away.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
And according to the Mercedes engineers, if she'd worn a
seat belt, she wouldn't have died.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, isn't that sad? Wouldn't she have been wearing a
seat belt.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You've got to ask a certain fame level, and you think, well,
I don't need to wear that.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Just because you're above the laws of the land and
you can buy your way out of anything, doesn't mean
you're above the laws of physics. No, we haven't mentioned
the name of my book, which is a periodic time.
I did.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
See how the confirmation bias exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
You came in here, said the name.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
And I made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Was remind the tape, and we got the tape. Yeah,
doctor Carl's Memoir and Periodic Tale, and that's what it's
out now.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And I've see how I made a mistake.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but you were walking in and everyone was cheering you.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Yeah, but I made a mistake and I firmly believed it.
And the good thing about mistakes is that, well, first
everybody makes mistakes. You just don't want to make the
same one too often.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, that is right, or that tomorrow Jackie will still
read out the horoscopes will And by the way, the
way I learned about the toilets and elevators was as
a medical doctor.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
I was dealing with people who had inflammatory bowel disease.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
One cares about this, they do.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
And the thing was that for them, whenever they go
out in public, they know where every toilet is, because.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's the same as the homosexuals that work here. Yeah,
we going for different reasons. You know where all the
public are, they know where they all are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, So that's how I learned that from them.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Little advice from little tips. The good luck with this
to be fantastic. He's done forty eight books.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
And you've done your first book.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, I was trying to work.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Out because I was told wrongly that you had done
it with your your phone. I was thinking your iPhone.
So eighty thousand words in a book four hundred thousand
characters are two hundred and fifty thousand movements with your thumb.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You've got inflamed.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Peter Pete, your publicist is out there. What's going on? Peter?
The publicist says they've missed three other interviews quite long.
Doctor Carl is hard to wrap it.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
We love him for it.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
At the same time, you got your girl saying that's enough.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I'm just like a paddle popstick in the gutter of life,
following the currents where they watching. I have no control.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
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Speaker 1 (20:37):
Well, sometimes you go with the flow and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Now, what was that about the elevator thing about.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Cayle and Jackie.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Oh,
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