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June 16, 2025 • 17 mins

Britt has finally made her debut on Dancing With The Stars, Producer Grace nearly died trying to repot a cactus and Laura chats about the Occasion Theory to figure out if you're dating a narcissist.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Good pickup with Britt Hockley and Laura burn Baby your
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Speaker 4 (00:25):
That's my worldris in the dust. Only good tabs.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are all down.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
I've done much, but yeah, I know I'll big get
and what I want. It don't matter where.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
This is the pickup, Hi, guys, It's the pickup with
Britt Hockley and Laura Burne.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Happy Monday. Here she is in the flesh. Dunt dun dunt,
dunt dun't our dancing Queen, Brittany Hockley.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You know I'm here in the flesh five.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Days a week.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
I know who got me in the flesh every single day, Laura.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I watched you last night, not in the Flesh on
Dancing with the Stars Channel seven. Everyone, if you've not
across it, it's on every Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And how yeah professional dancer on.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Our very own Brittany is the dancing queen. You You
were amazing. Honestly, I know you don't believe it. Last
night you danced a charter.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
And you were phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
You were always gonna say that, I wouldn't you know me.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm honest, I'd tell you if you sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, I mean you sales phenomenal?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Did the judge of sales phenomenal? Spoiler? No, yeah, they
did it well.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Look we'll get into that later. Because they're not always nice.
Sometimes they do say some very brutal things. But take
it from me as someone who has very little dance
experience but has walked this walk before.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
You did amazing. Thank you. I almost missed it.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Funnily enough, I was in New Zealand this weekend. I
took my now husband over for like a quick two
day weekend because.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
He's never been there.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
We were in the uber in a pet uber with
my dog Delilah, all of our luggage coming back as
the show was on, and I thought, I'm not gonna
make it, walked in the door, turn the TV on
and it went.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Hi, I'm Bretney, and I was like, yes, I get torture.
How did you feel I hate watching it? Don't you?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Didn't you hate watching yourself?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I love watching it back.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I had so much fun during that show, like it
was honestly just such a highlight for me that I
feel like I looked like I was manic ninety percent
of the time.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's how I felt. I love watching the dancers.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
Sometimes I just don't like watching myself talk, which is
funny because I.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Talked for a living.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Last night was a very big night, and that's because
Dancing with the Stars has started and our very own
Brittany Hockley is a contestant on this year's show.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yes, I did make my dancing debut last night, which
was interesting, to say the least.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
It wasn't even interesting, it was fantastic. You did so well.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
I was just say, Laura, I finally you were a
judge on Dancing with Nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
You can't trust them, those judges, they do you dirty.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
They did me.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Why, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I watched it back. I don't think I've ever seen
myself have so much fun. I was like laughing the
whole dance. I had the biggest smile on my face.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
I had this like little yellow outfit on that was
it was so cute, like it made me just look like.
It was the funnest one and a half minutes of
my life. Sorry to my husband Ben, but this was
a fun one and a half minutes because.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's all he gives you as well, is Craig the
one who's like me.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I can't remember, Okay, Craig so like the rest of
the judges are usually pretty even handed, or they have
something nice to like see which the shit sandwich with,
But Craig just goes in there full throttle.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
He's not nice.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
I guess it's sort of his stick on the show,
like he's the one that's supposed to be a little.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Bit more harsh.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
But I remember, or actually a couple of years ago,
when you were on it.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
We all came to see you, obviously, and it was
my first real insight to how me and the judges
could be. But this is one of the first comments
they said about you on the opening night.

Speaker 6 (03:29):
It was a little bit spiky, however, but like a
praying man just on acid throughout. So I did did
love it.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I forgot that he said he loved it as you
heard the negative.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, we're also negative, Gid.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I only ever talk about how he said I looked
like a preying man's on acid, which watching it.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Back, I absolutely did. I just had a lot of
arms and I was really excited to be there.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
It's because you're quite lanky, like you're tall and skinny
and You've got really long limbs.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
And they were flapping around, and you did look a
bit prem mane.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
When you've got long arms and long legs, the amount
of time that you need to get them into the
right position, like, people don't account for that.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
So I feel like I was constantly off the bee weh.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I thought you were great. Well, you know this is
not about me. That was many years ago. Last night
you did exceptionally well. I did the church, the charchart
in a little yellow dress, little little yellow number.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
You're spun all around that floor.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
What I do want to say.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Is though, before we go to the judges, before we
get the judge of scores, the church is one of
the fastest and hardest stance.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
So trying to defend yourself, I have to I have to.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Set the scene. It's fast, it's hard, it's quick feet.
It's not as quick as the quick step that's in
the title.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It is quick.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
The quick step is very quick, but it was one
of the hardest ones to come out of the gate with.
That's what I'm going to say, all right, hit it
produce a gre.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Do you feel adequately defended? You're good? Now, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
I just I feel like I need to say that
before before people here, and I had fun, all right,
and I put in the.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Effort, all right, hit it for me.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
You looked like you were drunk and lost to the party.
I'm afraid darling, every spin you weren't spotting.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
It was very stiff you. I didn't think it was
stiffer than it was loose. Could have been stiff, could
have been tighter. You seem like you were so offended.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
It seemed like you took it to heart, but really
you can't take anything tard on that show.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
No, I was offended because I don't drink, so when
he said I was drunk at a party, I was like, Wow,
imagine if I did.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Drink much of what that would look like if I
was drunk. I knew it wasn't going to be good.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
I felt that.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
And it's funny because a lot of people have given
me really good feedback, like on Instagram, and you guys,
you're like, it was so good.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
But when you're a professional dancer like me, you can see.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
The mistakes that you made and you can see where
you went wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
So I knew it wasn't going.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
To be a good score.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Who So every week just so you guys know how
the show runs. If you're not across it. This is
like Group A, and next week it will be a
group B. So next week Osha Gunsberg is performing on
Sunday Night.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I cannot wait to watch it. I honestly can't.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
We have history with Osha. History is in like he
helped dump me on The Bachelor.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well he helped me find my husband, so I'm invested
in the journey.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well we have even more history.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
No, we love Osh, but for this competition some people
might not know, but my professional dancer Craig his fiance
Srianni is also a professional dancer on the show, and
she's Ash's partner.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So Oshra and I now.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Like we've got like the Bachelor history, but now their
husband and wife like partners are against each other too,
so they're really competitive against each other as well.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I also think like there's nothing more humbling when you
watch that show. Then you watch all of the celebrities
do their dances and you think, oh, yeah, that was
really good. And then you watch the professional dancers do
a dance in the middle and you're like, wow, everyone sucks.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's supposed to be It's great.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Camera angles well, look, we're gonna be watching every single
week if you haven't gotten your diary seven pm Dancing
with the Stars, and Britt, it's going to bring home
the mirror ball.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I feel it in my bones. I Alloy's okay, that's not.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
A spoiler because the final actually hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But I'm no, it's not. It's not. We don't know
the final.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Everything else is pre wrecked, but the final is coming soon. Yeah,
we are talking about DIY fails. So if you've ever
tried to DIY something yourself, give us a call here
at the pickup now. The reason why this has come
up is because Britt, you and I both saw something
on the weekend that raised a few questions, and it
has to do with our wonderful producer, Grace.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Grace was definitely not on the case on the weekend.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Grace was not on the case.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Were changed and thank god you're still here to tell
the tale. Yes, I tried to repot a gigantic cactus
and I think nearly actually died in the process.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I reckon people have died by cactus before.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
If you google that, look probably if someone's fallen out
of a building and landed in a cactus that could
do it.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
But I once had a cactus fall on me.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I was also trying to move it, and it was
poorly weighted the whole thing. It was one of those
situations where you look at something and you go, this
could end badly, but you do it anyway, and then
the exact thing that you knew was going to happen happens,
and my whole arm was full of cactus spines.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Can I just tell you sorry? Brittany is on the case.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
There have been documented cases of deaths involving cactuses or cactive.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Thank god, we griggled.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
They are rare, but one notable incident involved a man.
He was killed when the cactus arm fell on him
after he shot it with a gun.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Also but like it can happen.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Grace also one of those instances where as a was happening,
he was like, I really messed that up.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Grace set the scene.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So I moved into a new place and it came
with a giant cactus on the veranda, but it was
top heavy. It was falling over us, so it was
kind of like looped with this nylon rope and like
hanging there and it just looked awful.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
It looks so depressing.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
The reason why the old owners left it there though,
is purely because it was it was too much of a.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Hazard to move it. They didn't want to get impaled.
But hey, we're gonna up the rent.

Speaker 5 (08:34):
We're throwing in a cac dice on touch it.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
So I decided. I was like, we can absolutely do this.
We've got a towel, we've got some gloves. It's going
to be fine. We got it out of the pot.
We took all the dirt out, and then trying to
get it into the pot was where we ran into
trouble because we couldn't lift it without impaling ourselves with spines.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So I had the bright idea to kind of create
like a.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Hench like bench.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
It was a system, like a system, yes, So I.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Just going through every word that rhymes with wedge, a bench,
a bench, the stench.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
So I wrapped the cactus up and then threw it
over the like top of the veranda, and I was
going to pull it up, and I was like, this
is going so well. I'm practically an inventor, and all
of a sudden, the rope just snaps.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Let's just play the audio, So.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Then we.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Weezing laughing is my wife happens to have the most
contagious laugh in the world, and I'm very grateful.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Honestly, sounds like we're.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Superimposed, like you know, roadrunners, something doing in there.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's not. That's just how it outplayed up.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
It sounded like you were more at risk of death
by the beam breaking, so you put you put the
rope over a beam. You can hear the beam, like,
oh my god, you're actually so lucky didn't die.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm very lucky. And I watched that footage back and
I went, I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Do that again.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
But we did eventually get the Charctus into its new pot.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
No one kids.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, however, we do care about your DII fails. If
you've got some, give us a call. We've got a
talie on the line. Natalia, what was your.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Di wife fail? Hi?

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Laura, Sorry, no, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
What happened with you?

Speaker 7 (10:31):
So it was a long weekend and it was our
first house. Me and my hubby decided to save some
money and do the ceiling insulation ourselves. And turns out
I thought the beams were only a suggestion not to
rule to walk on and I fell through the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Oh my god, did you all the way through or
did you get stuck?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
No?

Speaker 7 (10:54):
So my catlike instincts kicked in and I actually managed
to grab onto the beam and next thing I know,
I'm just hanging in my lounge room.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So you just turned yourself into a human chandilyer hanging
from the ceiling. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah there was no injuries either, so I yeah, I
came out pretty good.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Oh my god, I tell you that could have ended
so much worse.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
That's brilliant. All right, we've got Sophie on the line. Sophie,
what is your doy fail?

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I had a friend I went to UNI with who
decided to try and save some money and.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Do it at home Brazilian and actually got her flap
stuck together.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Okay, this is coming from someone who I did my
own Brazilians from like fifteen until now. I still do
them at home on my own. It has happened before,
it can happen. If you leave the wax too long,
you don't definitely get rip them apart. Look, if this
happened to anyone, A little bit of lukewarm watar dab
it on sitte bar, sitte bar.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, nip the warm water, but you definitely don't try
and just rip them apart. Wow, to cut them apart?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Oh my, what that tactic that is? And you know
cut that back open.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Wow, She's like, let's cut my losses.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Just wow.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
That seems like a really drastic measure to take when
there was probably on the way.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh wow, people, how were you when she told you
this story? Traumatized? Yeah, I've never recovered.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's literally I'm like, I've never had a Brazilian even
professionally done.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
And since you told me that, I was like, I
can never ask. It's laser only. Oh Sophy, thanks for
the call.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Do you know what if anyone's considering DIY, maybe this week,
this weekend, think about it. There's people that are professionals,
and they're professionals for a reason.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, just get some laser.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Maybe there's a new theory that's going around. It's a
new theory every second day. It's called the occasion theory. Now,
this is a theory that you can put into practice
if you suspect that maybe you were dating.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
A narcissist, If you suspect them maybe you're dating a narcissist.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I don't think you need to be putting practice theories
into place.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
You probably need to escape.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
No, But the thing is is like a lot of
people have been in relationships where you know you're you're in,
you're invested, you've been with them for six months, a year,
whatever it is, and you start to wonder if the
way you're being treated it's firstly normal, if you're the
problem or they're the problem. And there's a lot of
conversation around these days around everyone being a narcissist or
narcissism in general.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
I agree, and I do think the term is thrown
around a little bit too loosely, the term narcissism.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
But I'm here for this theory.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So yess about the occasion?

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Have a listen to this.

Speaker 8 (13:27):
The quickest way to find out if you're dating a
narcissist is when you have a special occasion coming up,
whether it's your friend's birthday and whatever. Watch how they
treat you the days, the nights, the morning leading up
to that occasion, the moment something else is making you
happy and the attention is going off them, they can't
stand it. The first thing they're going to try and
do is prove to you that your happiness depends on

(13:48):
their mood. If this was a real occasion coming up,
you would be absolutely miserable going to it, and that's
their goal.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Mic Drop, what are you looking at me for?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Response? I don't know what I'm supposed to say here.
I think it's just a bit of a stretch.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
I just think, yes, there might be something to that
for sure. Of course, a true narcissist is going to
make something about them.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
That's their mo right.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
They're going to want to ruin your happiness and make
it about them. But I think this isn't a standalone test,
Like there is a big chance your partner just doesn't
want to go to your sister's kid's birthday party, and
maybe that they're throwing a spanner in the world.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I see I heard this, and I was like, you
know what. Of course, it's not going to be a
blanket rule. It's not black and white, but I think
it's a pretty clear indicator, like, for example, if I
was really excited about your wedding, brit and then my
husband did something that was like purposefully and I don't mean.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Like they actually seen my wedding like he did.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
They actually made the wedding about himself, if they accidentally
got sick or you know, I'm not talking about that,
but I mean, like purposely picking a fight or purposely
doing something that then brings that entire day down. I
would say that they are hallmark signs that maybe not
they're a narcissist, but that they have narcissistic tendencies.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
This is my worry, right, hear me out.

Speaker 5 (15:03):
I worry that when we label something like that, because
we love to give everything a label in life. I
just worry that if we start to say things like,
you know what, they've made this moment about them in
the lead up to my sister's birthday, like narcissists, I
just don't want to be dropped throwing the term around
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Also, you know, not everyone who cheats as a narcissist
and not everyone who does. Like you know, they can
be narcissistic in tendencies, but doesn't make them. We probably
shouldn't be diagnosed psychological problems, but here we are, and.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
There is the word the pick. There is the world
of social media for that.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I am Look, I mean, I've wanted to tread it
carefully if you date someone who has narcissistic personality disorder
or they have narcissistic tendencies. It's very rare for a
narcissist to go and sit down with a therapist and
be like, do you think it's me that's the problem,
because it's part of the whole The whole concept around
narcissism is that they are the most superior person, so

(15:52):
they're not seeking out to figure out whether or not
they're the problem or not, so they don't think they are.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
It was my mum's wedding, and this is.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
A guy I dated for quite a while, and look,
there was a lot of things that he did that
I would say would throw him into this kettle of
fish without someone diagnosing him.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
And it was my mum's wedding.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It was a really, really big deal, and he knew
how what a big deal it was. And the night
before the wedding, because one of his friends had gone through.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
A brake up recently, he.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Went out and got incredibly drunk, to the point where
they didn't get home until seven in the morning, and
he had to be up and dressed and ready to
go to the wedding by ten am. And I just
remember it totally ruined that entire thing for me. And
so when I listened to this, I was like, I
was like, look, it maybe is too black and white
to use this as a diagnostic tool.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
I was like, but I think that there's some merit
to it.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
But some people are also just assholes, Like sometimes they
are like sometimes you're just a jerk off.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
And I dated them. Yeah, no, not all of them.
Some of them are okay, but this one in particular.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Yeah, he particularly was an a hole, like you know,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I'm on the fence with it.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
I think, don't go home and diagnose your partner as
an a hole if they don't pass the occasion theory.
But maybe look a little bit deeper if they are
messing up all your special occasions. But let's like, let's
relax on labels

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Anyway, all right, Well, look, guys, that is it from us.
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