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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thursday, here on the pickup with Britt, Laura and Mitch
head into Chemists warehouse Today. You get great savings every day.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I want to talk to you guys today about the
original stand documentary that has just come out called Revealed
Daniel Ladley Two Tribes Now. It's a documentary that looks
at Daniel Laidley's two worlds colliding. And when I say
two worlds, that's in reference to the two tribes in
the title. This is Danielle's life as an ex AFL
(00:29):
footage player and a coach, and then it's her other
world as a transgender woman, and it explores what that
looks like for her and how those decisions were taken
away from her drug addiction. It's truly inspiring and incredible
and this is a piece of the documentary.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The AFL is always is to go football and I
think you want to hear about me. Today is the
first time that I've represented both my tribes. Former North
Melbourne football coach Dean Lately, I've been charged through drug possession.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Photographs take it at this until the police station have
gone viral.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I've got a phone call. Dad's been arrested. I hated
who I was all.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The decisions that you've made have not been good ones.
I don't think anyone really knew what Danny went through.
We actually have Danielle with us today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Hi, Danielle. Hi, Danielle, Hi, by getting how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Oh, we're so well Danielle even just listening to that
the shorts for the stand the documentary, like how do
you feel when you hear that back?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm okay. Now. When we were going through the filming
the first edit, Nora and I watched it together and
within ninety seconds were very, very emotional, and we basically
cried through the whole the whole film. But now we've
watched it, I don't know, maybe ten times because we
(01:51):
had to watch it through all the different edits. Now
we can sort of watch it quite objectively. We're really
proud of the final package. We've been now able to
tell our story in our own words, because the narrative,
you know, when it very first became public was not good. Yeah,
there was a lot of false things said, there was
(02:14):
a lot of innuendo, and that was, you know, probably
the main reason why we wanted to make the film
so we could tell our story in our words.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Daniel I think for a bit of context as well,
you played one hundred and fifty one games for men's
AFL West Coast Eagles and North Melbourne football clubs. And
I think the story is so important that now as
a transgender woman, that coming out of that reveal was
completely taken from your hands. You had no power in that.
And if you don't mind speaking to how that happened,
I think it's in the documentary. It is really powerful.
(02:49):
But if you can speak to what happened in that situation,
I think that is so important to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I was going through a pretty bad time at
in my life. You know, I'd never touched drugs or
anything like that, and was introduced from a relationship that
I was in and it got really bad. I still
hadn't been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and eventually it just
(03:19):
came out one day when I was seeing my counselor
at the time, you know, I got diagnosed with a
gender psyche and hindocrinologists and all that sort of stuff,
and we were starting to plan a strategy of Okay,
how do we get the family together, how do we
(03:40):
tell friends? So we put a strategy in that we
were going to approach the AFL, but unfortunately that was
taken away when I was outed by the Victoria police.
You know, I got arrested, and it was a fun enough.
It was me who rang the police and said I'm
(04:03):
breaking the intervention order because I was just at such
a low point. I didn't know what to do. My
drug use was spiraling. I just had been diagnosed with
gina dysphoria. Went stood out in front of my property
and called them and they came and arrested me, which
was a bad decision on top of a few others
(04:24):
that I'd made. You would think the Victoria police would
show some care and empathy and go through the legalities
of what had happened. But to have police members take
photos of me, take my phone, take photos off my phone.
(04:45):
It was very public, so all those plans that we
were starting to put in place. The AFL family friends
found out about it when you did, when they saw
it in the paper.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We are talking to her former AFL grade, Danielle Ladley,
who you may have seen this has recently start in
her own stand original documentary series all about her life,
her career, and her incredible story of going from AFL
football grade to her life now as a transgender woman.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Was there any consequence for the police who were at
fault here? How did that process end up?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
There was about forty odd who got charged internally with
something called disgusting behavior, and then is that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The actual term?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Danielle?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow, I didn't even know that that was something you
could be charged with. When was it that you knew
you felt different?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
The very first time it happened to me, I was probably.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Six years of age, and there were wow, literally hundreds
of things going through my childhood and then early teens
and having depression and anxiety.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I didn't know why I was feeling this way, filing
back delays over the last six or seven years, I
can now label that as little Danielle. In times when
it was speaking, she wanted attention, she wanted love, she
wanted affection, she wanted all that sort of stuff. And
(06:16):
the one thing that I've learned is you can't outrun
gender dysphoria. As I got a little bit older and
the Internet comes along and I was able to meet
people and talk to people, it started to become clearer.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It must have been nice to have that revelation and
be like, Wow, I'm not actually alone, like there are
other people that are going through what I'm going through
totally well.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That I mean that is watching this doco. That is
couldn't be more clearer, the two worlds colliding. Stay there, Danielle.
We want to delve more into your second part of
your life, your time as a transgender woman and being
part of the lgbt QAA plus community. More with Danielle
after this on the Pickup. We're back right around Australia.
Thursday afternoon. It is the pick Up. We've brit Laura
(07:01):
and Mitch head into chemist Warehouse today great savings every
day joining us. Now we're back with Danielle Lady. It's
on Stan the new Stand. Original docer revealed Danielle Lady
Two Tribes. We've just been talking to Danielle. This is
an incredible story, right Laura.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It really is. And daniel how did the AFL and
also your own family respond to finding out that you
were not being able to live authentically.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's caused a lot of grief with the in our
family of how it came out, and we're still on
some fronts working through that. The AFL having lived in fear,
the shame, and embarrassment of what perhaps people would think
of me. From the CEO of the AFL, Gilma Blocklin,
(07:47):
to you know, people I coach, people I played with,
the wider football community have been so supportive and caring
and everything I've literally had in the last oh we
can a bit now, thousands of messages thank you for
telling your story. The next most important thing was showing
(08:10):
what we went through for families. I'm hoping that that
it's a real education piece for a lot of people.
It from all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Danielle, as someone who identifies as gay myself, I have
the exact same feelings about my sexuality. I had them
at a similar age, and it pales in comparison to yours,
and sexuality and gender are different. But we have so
many parents listening at the pickup right now, I just
I want to ask you and give you the opportunity
to maybe offer some advice on how potentially parents can
(08:43):
deal with their children's gender dysphoria potentially and their kids,
and maybe even explaining what gender dysphoria is.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, gender dysphoria is how you feel on the inside
is not congruent with what is portrayed on the outside.
That's where the dysphoria comes. That's where the wrestle comes in.
To any parent or to any teenager, the best thing
to do is to be able to talk about your
(09:11):
feelings and then as a family, whichever member it is,
seek some professional help. There's some great facilities and resources
out there now. As a transgender person, I've been dealing
with this my whole life. Others around me, some have
known for seven or eight years when I very first
(09:32):
started to live my life as myself, just not in
front of my kids or at my place of work.
It's a big change and it's only new for them.
So as transgender people too, we need to be patient
with all those around us.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
This is the pickup. We're talking to former AFL Great
Daniel Lady, who was recently starting a stand original documentary
all about her time as at AFL Great and now
living as a transgender woman.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I would just love to I know one thing I
know just a couple of days ago, And excuse my ignorance.
I'm not an AFL person, but I saw an article
about one of the AFL players. There was a photo
that was taken last week. He had just lost the
match he had his hands over his face and he
had painted fingernails, and there were so many homophobic comments
that I saw on that thread about that. It wasn't
(10:20):
about the game, wasn't about how amazing he played. It
was about the fact that he had his fingernails crazed.
And there was a part of me that thought, Wow,
how are we still having these conversations. Do you see
the tide turning in society at the moment or are
you hoping that this documentary is going to really help that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I hope the documentary helps that. I think the gay
and lesbian movement is so far in front being educated
for many years still though there's a hell of a
lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Now, all of a sudden, we have a young footballer
that wants to paint his nails. Yeah, so what exactly
he's on that ground because he has a talent at
an elite sport. What that messaging just in that picture
says within the four walls of AFL football clubs, people
(11:17):
can be themselves outside that. It's a societal issue that
you know, the stuff that you're just talking about, stuff
that I go through still every day. That's where we've
got a lot of work.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
To Daniel Thestan documentary. I think it's so beautiful that
you're able to reclaim your story. And I think that
this is really going to reframe for people, especially for
anybody who may have just skimmed over headlines in the
news or seen something and made up a judgment. Yeah,
and that's what we do, right, We see a headline,
we make a snap judgment. And this is an opportunity
(11:50):
for you to be able to really share your story
in your way. And one of the things I think
is so beautiful about your story is your relationship with Donna.
How you've been in each other's lives throughout your your
whole life. It's incredible. And was there ever a time
in your life where you were maybe surprised because you know,
society tells you that you're not lovable when you're going
through this, that somebody is going to stay there and
(12:13):
love you regardless of who you are or how you present,
because of the person that you are. Just think it, like,
it's just such a beautiful part of your story.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, And you know, I suppose the choice was to
live and be my authentic self. I thought the ramifications
of that decision rather than leaving this world in a sad,
sorry state. I'll probably be by myself for the rest
of my life. And so Donald and I had reconnected,
(12:44):
but I still hadn't told her. Donald will openly say,
why can't you just love another person. I'm forever, ever
grateful for that and the reality with our relationship, I
can be myself. It's beautiful, best version of myself. And
so CONDI. Yeah, we have a lot of fun. We're
basically inseparable. We do everything together, you know. We live
(13:08):
between Melbourne and Perth and we fly sort of every
second week, every third week, and I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Everyone we're all doing our team. This documentary is incredible.
If you guys are listening to this haven't seen it,
please go and watch the stand documentary revealed Danielle Lately
Two Tribes. It's incredible. Thank you for giving us your time.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You're amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Thank you. I'm very grateful to spend some time. Look
forward to talking in the future.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
All right, guys, we're back after this. On the pickup
Thursday, here on the pickup with Britt, Laura and Mitch
head into Chemists warehouse Today. You get great savings every day.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I want to talk to you guys today about the
original stand documentary that has just come out called Revealed
Daniel Ladley Two Tribes Now. It's a documentary that looks
at Daniel Laidley's two worlds colliding. And when I say
two worlds, that's in reference to the two tribes in
the title. This is Danielle's life as an ex AFL
(00:29):
footage player and a coach, and then it's her other
world as a transgender woman, and it explores what that
looks like for her and how those decisions were taken
away from her drug addiction. It's truly inspiring and incredible
and this is a piece of the documentary.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The AFL is always is to go football and I
think you want to hear about me. Today is the
first time that I've represented both my tribes. Former North
Melbourne football coach Dean Lately, I've been charged through drug possession.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Photographs take it at this until the police station have
gone viral.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I've got a phone call. Dad's been arrested. I hated
who I was all.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
The decisions that you've made have not been good ones.
I don't think anyone really knew what Danny went through.
We actually have Danielle with us today.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Hi, Danielle. Hi, Danielle, Hi, by getting how are you?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Oh, we're so well Danielle even just listening to that
the shorts for the stand the documentary, like how do
you feel when you hear that back?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm okay. Now. When we were going through the filming
the first edit, Nora and I watched it together and
within ninety seconds were very, very emotional, and we basically
cried through the whole the whole film. But now we've
watched it, I don't know, maybe ten times because we
(01:51):
had to watch it through all the different edits. Now
we can sort of watch it quite objectively. We're really
proud of the final package. We've been now able to
tell our story in our own words, because the narrative,
you know, when it very first became public was not good. Yeah,
there was a lot of false things said, there was
(02:14):
a lot of innuendo, and that was, you know, probably
the main reason why we wanted to make the film
so we could tell our story in our words.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Daniel I think for a bit of context as well,
you played one hundred and fifty one games for men's
AFL West Coast Eagles and North Melbourne football clubs. And
I think the story is so important that now as
a transgender woman, that coming out of that reveal was
completely taken from your hands. You had no power in that.
And if you don't mind speaking to how that happened,
I think it's in the documentary. It is really powerful.
(02:49):
But if you can speak to what happened in that situation,
I think that is so important to hear.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, I was going through a pretty bad time at
in my life. You know, I'd never touched drugs or
anything like that, and was introduced from a relationship that
I was in and it got really bad. I still
hadn't been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, and eventually it just
(03:19):
came out one day when I was seeing my counselor
at the time, you know, I got diagnosed with a
gender psyche and hindocrinologists and all that sort of stuff,
and we were starting to plan a strategy of Okay,
how do we get the family together, how do we
(03:40):
tell friends? So we put a strategy in that we
were going to approach the AFL, but unfortunately that was
taken away when I was outed by the Victoria police.
You know, I got arrested, and it was a fun enough.
It was me who rang the police and said I'm
(04:03):
breaking the intervention order because I was just at such
a low point. I didn't know what to do. My
drug use was spiraling. I just had been diagnosed with
gina dysphoria. Went stood out in front of my property
and called them and they came and arrested me, which
was a bad decision on top of a few others
(04:24):
that I'd made. You would think the Victoria police would
show some care and empathy and go through the legalities
of what had happened. But to have police members take
photos of me, take my phone, take photos off my phone.
(04:45):
It was very public, so all those plans that we
were starting to put in place. The AFL family friends
found out about it when you did, when they saw
it in the paper.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We are talking to her former AFL grade, Danielle Ladley,
who you may have seen this has recently start in
her own stand original documentary series all about her life,
her career, and her incredible story of going from AFL
football grade to her life now as a transgender woman.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Was there any consequence for the police who were at
fault here? How did that process end up?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
There was about forty odd who got charged internally with
something called disgusting behavior, and then is that.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
The actual term?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Danielle?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Wow, I didn't even know that that was something you
could be charged with. When was it that you knew
you felt different?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
The very first time it happened to me, I was probably.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Six years of age, and there were wow, literally hundreds
of things going through my childhood and then early teens
and having depression and anxiety.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I didn't know why I was feeling this way, filing
back delays over the last six or seven years, I
can now label that as little Danielle. In times when
it was speaking, she wanted attention, she wanted love, she
wanted affection, she wanted all that sort of stuff. And
(06:16):
the one thing that I've learned is you can't outrun
gender dysphoria. As I got a little bit older and
the Internet comes along and I was able to meet
people and talk to people, it started to become clearer.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It must have been nice to have that revelation and
be like, Wow, I'm not actually alone, like there are
other people that are going through what I'm going through
totally well.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That I mean that is watching this doco. That is
couldn't be more clearer, the two worlds colliding. Stay there, Danielle.
We want to delve more into your second part of
your life, your time as a transgender woman and being
part of the lgbt QAA plus community. More with Danielle
after this on the Pickup. We're back right around Australia.
Thursday afternoon. It is the pick Up. We've brit Laura
(07:01):
and Mitch head into chemist Warehouse today great savings every
day joining us. Now we're back with Danielle Lady. It's
on Stan the new Stand. Original docer revealed Danielle Lady
Two Tribes. We've just been talking to Danielle. This is
an incredible story, right Laura.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It really is. And daniel how did the AFL and
also your own family respond to finding out that you
were not being able to live authentically.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's caused a lot of grief with the in our
family of how it came out, and we're still on
some fronts working through that. The AFL having lived in fear,
the shame, and embarrassment of what perhaps people would think
of me. From the CEO of the AFL, Gilma Blocklin,
(07:47):
to you know, people I coach, people I played with,
the wider football community have been so supportive and caring
and everything I've literally had in the last oh we
can a bit now, thousands of messages thank you for
telling your story. The next most important thing was showing
(08:10):
what we went through for families. I'm hoping that that
it's a real education piece for a lot of people.
It from all walks of life.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Danielle, as someone who identifies as gay myself, I have
the exact same feelings about my sexuality. I had them
at a similar age, and it pales in comparison to yours,
and sexuality and gender are different. But we have so
many parents listening at the pickup right now, I just
I want to ask you and give you the opportunity
to maybe offer some advice on how potentially parents can
(08:43):
deal with their children's gender dysphoria potentially and their kids,
and maybe even explaining what gender dysphoria is.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, gender dysphoria is how you feel on the inside
is not congruent with what is portrayed on the outside.
That's where the dysphoria comes. That's where the wrestle comes in.
To any parent or to any teenager, the best thing
to do is to be able to talk about your
(09:11):
feelings and then as a family, whichever member it is,
seek some professional help. There's some great facilities and resources
out there now. As a transgender person, I've been dealing
with this my whole life. Others around me, some have
known for seven or eight years when I very first
(09:32):
started to live my life as myself, just not in
front of my kids or at my place of work.
It's a big change and it's only new for them.
So as transgender people too, we need to be patient
with all those around us.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
This is the pickup. We're talking to former AFL Great
Daniel Lady, who was recently starting a stand original documentary
all about her time as at AFL Great and now
living as a transgender woman.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I would just love to I know one thing I
know just a couple of days ago, And excuse my ignorance.
I'm not an AFL person, but I saw an article
about one of the AFL players. There was a photo
that was taken last week. He had just lost the
match he had his hands over his face and he
had painted fingernails, and there were so many homophobic comments
that I saw on that thread about that. It wasn't
(10:20):
about the game, wasn't about how amazing he played. It
was about the fact that he had his fingernails crazed.
And there was a part of me that thought, Wow,
how are we still having these conversations. Do you see
the tide turning in society at the moment or are
you hoping that this documentary is going to really help that.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I hope the documentary helps that. I think the gay
and lesbian movement is so far in front being educated
for many years still though there's a hell of a
lot of work to do.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Now, all of a sudden, we have a young footballer
that wants to paint his nails. Yeah, so what exactly
he's on that ground because he has a talent at
an elite sport. What that messaging just in that picture
says within the four walls of AFL football clubs, people
(11:17):
can be themselves outside that. It's a societal issue that
you know, the stuff that you're just talking about, stuff
that I go through still every day. That's where we've
got a lot of work.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
To Daniel Thestan documentary. I think it's so beautiful that
you're able to reclaim your story. And I think that
this is really going to reframe for people, especially for
anybody who may have just skimmed over headlines in the
news or seen something and made up a judgment. Yeah,
and that's what we do, right, We see a headline,
we make a snap judgment. And this is an opportunity
(11:50):
for you to be able to really share your story
in your way. And one of the things I think
is so beautiful about your story is your relationship with Donna.
How you've been in each other's lives throughout your your
whole life. It's incredible. And was there ever a time
in your life where you were maybe surprised because you know,
society tells you that you're not lovable when you're going
through this, that somebody is going to stay there and
(12:13):
love you regardless of who you are or how you present,
because of the person that you are. Just think it, like,
it's just such a beautiful part of your story.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, And you know, I suppose the choice was to
live and be my authentic self. I thought the ramifications
of that decision rather than leaving this world in a sad,
sorry state. I'll probably be by myself for the rest
of my life. And so Donald and I had reconnected,
(12:44):
but I still hadn't told her. Donald will openly say,
why can't you just love another person. I'm forever, ever
grateful for that and the reality with our relationship, I
can be myself. It's beautiful, best version of myself. And
so CONDI. Yeah, we have a lot of fun. We're
basically inseparable. We do everything together, you know. We live
(13:08):
between Melbourne and Perth and we fly sort of every
second week, every third week, and I'm grateful.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Everyone we're all doing our team. This documentary is incredible.
If you guys are listening to this haven't seen it,
please go and watch the stand documentary revealed Danielle Lately
Two Tribes. It's incredible. Thank you for giving us your time.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
You're amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Thank you. I'm very grateful to spend some time. Look
forward to talking in the future.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
All right, guys, we're back after this. On the pickup
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