Why You Need to Stop Selling Like a Man with Feminine Sales Coach Riley May 👸🏼

It’s time to throw out the old rulebook...
The sales world has been built around masculine strategies - push harder, hustle more, close at all costs. But here’s the truth: that approach doesn’t work for women… and it’s burning you out.

In this powerful conversation with Feminine Sales Coach Riley May, we break down why women are not meant to sell like men, and how embracing your feminine strengths can actually make you magnetic in business.

Inside this episode, we cover:
✨ Why traditional sales tactics feel “icky” for women (and what to do instead)
✨ The secret power of feminine energy in building connection & trust
✨ How to shift from force into flow while still hitting big sales goals
✨ The confidence reframe that changes the way you sell forever

If you’ve ever felt like selling wasn’t for you, or it's 'cringey' this episode will flip the script. Your natural gifts as a woman aren’t a weakness in sales, they’re your ultimate superpower.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
This is Rise and Conquer, the podcast where we strive
to become the highest version of ourselves through curious conversations,
healthy mindsets, laughter, connection, and a deep desire to evolve.
I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson. Join me as we explore parenthood, business, manifestation,

(00:46):
and so much more. It's positive, it's practical, and it's
about putting you in the driver's seat of your own life.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Welcome back to Seize seven of the Rise and Conker Podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Today's guest is.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
The incredible Riley May. She is a female led sales coach,
multiple six figure business owner, and the founder of the
Women That Sell Academy. Riley has completely redefined what it
means to sell as a woman, generating millions in organic

(01:24):
cells while staying deeply rooted in authenticity, magnetism, and feminine energy.
If the word sales makes you feel a little bit
cringe or feel like you have to become someone else
to succeed. You are going to be obsessed with this conversation.
It's really going to change everything. And Riley is sharing

(01:46):
how to reframe selling so it feels aligned, easy and
genuinely you. In this episode, we dive into the difference
between attraction and chasing, how to shift your energy when
sales are feeling hard in your business, why people don't
buy the offer they buy Your energy and the mindset,

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the strategy that allows women to raise their prices, scale
their business and still feel spacious and free. So if
you're ready to show up, sell with confidence and receive
what you're truly worth, this episode is for you. I
absolutely loved this chat with Riley, and also after the podcast,

(02:34):
Riley was kind enough to give me and the Rise
and Conquer access to her course Women That Sell, her
High Impact Academy for women ready to simplify their sales strategy,
clarify their messaging, and scale their business with integrity. Inside
you get access to Riley's complete suite of signature programs

(02:57):
including Attraction Sales, The I and the Offers that Cell,
plus she does do monthly live calls, content audits and
strategic support designed to create real momentum, no fluff, just frameworks,
clarity and sales that feel good. I loved having a

(03:17):
look in here and doing some of the content, and
the girls did too. I just I've known Riley for
a very long time and I love the way that
she does business. She's really redefining it as being a
female and what she has created in such a short
amount of time with such ease and flow is honestly incredible.

(03:38):
And she has been kind enough to give us a
discount code, So if you listen to this episode and
you want to join her academy, we do have an
rn C code which is a georgey ten user out
checkout for ten percent off and guys, honestly, you're going
to love this episode. Let's get into it. Riley, welcome

(04:01):
to the Rise and Conker Podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Thanks for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I'm so excited to have you here. We have been
friends for a very long time and you know, done
a lot, not done a lot together, but like seeing
each other a lot being in the industry. So it's
so good to finally get on the get you on
the podcast because I am obsessed with your brain. I'm
obsessed with how you show up on social media and

(04:28):
just to see your transformation, like you literally used to
be an influencer for naked artists and now you're this
high level business coach. And I have watched the whole
thing over like eight years or whatever it's been, and
it's been so incredible. And to see your integrity, to

(04:49):
see you constantly go after what you want and be
unapologetic about it, it's just, Yeah, it's been very inspirational
and very like I can tell you've done the work.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
A lot of work has been done. I appreciate that
wrap up. Yeah, it's been cool. It's been a very
long journey and sometimes it's weird, and I'm sure you're
the same. You reflect back on those sort of starting
years and how much at the time you can just
reflect on I had no idea what was to come. No,
I had no idea what was going to happen beyond

(05:24):
the point of just starting. And it is crazy to
think back to being in that first apartment that I
was in creating content for Naked Harvest, like pet just
such a different era of my life and now being
where I'm at, I'm like, oh, she just had no idea.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I know, it's incredible, but and like we need we
need that progress and progression, we need that evolution to
like find out who we are, to discover who we
want to be. And I think not a lot of
people like they do talk about it, but like talk
about that enough and give that enough credit. So that's
my intro. But do you want to kind of describe

(05:59):
in your own words who you are and what you do? Oh?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Okay, So I'm Riley. Thanks for having me, and I
essentially now focus solely on teaching women in the service
based industry how to scale their business following a very
feminine led approach to business and particularly sales. So I
am huge on mindset. I've spent years in the mindset
space and that for sure is like my first love,

(06:24):
my first passion, and I think that will always be
just massively infused in anything that I do for the
rest of my life, because I really do believe it's
just the foundation for getting what you want, building a
life that is a reflection of everything that you deserve,
everything that you desire, and as women, it is just
so underrated in terms of leveraging that to create a

(06:45):
life that is everything you want. So that's sort of
the foundation of what I do. And yeah, I just
love sales psychology, I love understanding humans, I love creating,
I love personal brand, I love marketing, I love I think.
We live in such a cool time now where it's
literally I thinker tips to create whatever we want and

(07:07):
helping women create impact and make a difference to other
women in whatever capacity they do is just Yeah, it's
so cool. And to wake up every day and think, well,
I'm creating an impact, but I'm helping women create even
more of an impact. It's just a really cool kind
of full circle moment of where I started.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, almost this like chain event of like you help
this woman and then she helps other women and you
have this like beautiful throw on effect. So let's actually
go back a little bit because even like I said,
you know, you were more in the fitness industry. You
were a pet and then it was mindset and then
it was business. Take me back more to the transition

(07:45):
from like pt to going into like a mindset coach,
because you know, I know from myself when you are
stuck and you're like quite rooted in an identity of like,
well this is who I am and this is what
people know me as, and this is like feel safe
and this.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Box feels really good.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
What's the kind of process you know, maybe what you
actually did and like maybe what you know now of
that transition and even like talking because I guarantee there's
people listening in that transition and they're like, it feels funky,
it feels.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Weird, yeah, and it is. I think something in hindsight
now I can look back at is just really understanding
ego and concept of self and what you're attempting to
preserve at every single stage in your life. You know,
we just had a conversation of air around relationships and
preserving a concept of self there where in life and
as you grow and involve And I guess not everyone

(08:39):
will come to learn this, but you really do have
to question and ask yourself, who do I think I
have to be and what am I committed to preserving
right now? And how is that identity stopping me from
actually honoring what I want? So I remember at the
time COVID sort of interjected that period of being in
the fitness industry for me, where I was in it
for a couple of years during high school and then

(09:01):
I was full time in my own PTE business for
twelve months covid hit. At that stage, I just loved
the business side of things, like I loved what I did,
but I was so interested in I could scale, I
could get a coach, I could probably make something out
of this, because at the time, I just wanted to
earn money really and I was and I was like, okay,

(09:22):
this is cool, like I've scaled my PTE business, but
what sort of being on that point, so moved online.
Was charging like ten dollars a week during covid like
running Facebook lives. Doing it was so funny, and my
quarters I was like through the roof because I was
just doing hit like all weak.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
On I forgot. I did the same thing with them
were free.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah yeah yeah. I was like, yeah, you're like.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh live, How's I'm like, fuck, I've had a ride.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
That was my form, Like nine dollars ninety nine a week,
just no good, you're smart. Someone had to do it.
But that was sort of my pivot into that, and
then that pushed me online. And then very quickly I
realized with my clients that you know, we were just
focusing so much on the mindset side of things when
it came to either their eating habits body just morephi

(10:05):
our body image, their health and fitness journey. I think
any girl listening, I'm sure for you listening, you know,
it runs so much deeper than I want to lose
weight or I want to build my dream physic or
I'm want to be a healthier It's never about that.
And I loved that side of things, and it was
something that I felt very on purpose with. I was
creating huge change in and as a byproduct of sort

(10:27):
of focusing more on the mindset side of things, I
noticed from a physical perspective and more of an external lens,
the transformation so many girls were creating, and I was like, oh,
I love this. So that kind of prompted the change
to move into mindset. But I do remember at the
time having just a lot of resistance and stories around
like can I do this? Can I actually stop being

(10:49):
the fitness girl and move into more of the mindset
side of things? Can I stop being you know, just
let go of the identity around what it means to
be Riley And my handle at time Instagram is like
Riley fit Pete, Like I was the fitness girl to
just being Riley and what did that pivot look like?
So in hindsight, now I'm so happy that I just

(11:11):
trusted myself through all of those transitions. And I would say,
by nature, I'm not someone that places a lot of
limitation on myself, Like I really do believe I can
get what I want. And as a byproduct, I think
I do.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, because it's like you're like, that is my identity,
that is my belief.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
So it happens. Well, I heard something really interesting the
other day, and I'm curious about your perspective on this
because they were talking about how I think of father's
like work ethic, self esteem or what your dad sort
of I guess just the encouragement he places on you
will really determine your self worth and drive as a

(11:48):
girl in particular, and I always thought about, like what
was it like growing up for me? And I'm like
Dad would always say to me, like, you're addiction and
you get what you want in true always, so he's like,
you just you get what you want. You always get
what you want. Now, my dad is not by any
means like like an egotistical guy or another guy, Like

(12:09):
he's very very chill. You would think nothing of him,
but he's like urdics and you get everything you want.
And my sister and I always reflect on that now
and it's like Dad instilled so much belief in us
that we could have and be and do anything that
we wanted. And I think now in hindsight, I'm like, oh,
that's really impacted me in the way where I really
do believe, maybe to a fault sometimes that anything I

(12:30):
want will be mine.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I love that. If I kind of reflect on my dad,
it was more the story of like, if you work hard,
you can get anything you want. Like I came from nothing,
I built this. Look how I work. You know, you
can persevere. You you know, as long as you have
discipline and drive, you can do anything you want. So

(12:53):
that's so true. Like that's giving similar vibes.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, And it instills this belief in you where I've
never reflect don't until I'm thinking, like why do I
think this way? And why do I have sometimes such
delusional self belief that it will work. But I'm like,
I never had limitation really placed on me in that
way where it wasn't possible or I couldn't do it.
So whether I can or I can't, I just believe
I can.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, I know. And that's like that's the crux of it.
Whether you believe it or you don't, is like that
is what is going to play out. Yeah, the world
is just like you know, reflecting to us our beliefs
and our inner stuff. And so it's like, if your
reality is playing out something that you don't want, it's
because internally, maybe even subconscious, that's what you believe.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, and something that I don't think spoken about enough
because it's so frustrating and I hear anyone that's like, yeah,
but give me the step by step, give me the how.
How do I build the business? How do I do
the thing? How do I get my dream relationship, friendship, whatever?
You have to come back into who you need to
be in order to achieve that thing. Because so if
you focus on embodiment and you focus on, Okay, who

(14:03):
do I have to become to build a seven figure business?
Who do I have to become to create my dream relationship?
Who do I have to become to get my dream
role in corporate whatever the thing may be. Focusing on
the how is like always outsourcing your power because you're
always placing it external of yourself but how but how?
But how? But how? If you ask who would I

(14:24):
need to be? You will automatically embody the habits of traits,
the characteristics or routines of the person who has a thing,
and in turn you'll probably find out how and you'll
get it. Well.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
It's even like I did a whole rant on TikTok
the other day and I said, you know, with the
manifestation is not this thing where you want something and
it magically appears like, well, not the manifestation I teach
or I have, you know, witness, But it's like, manifestation
for me is the process of becoming. It's not the

(14:56):
process of how do I get the white Porsche my can?
It's who is the person who has the white Porschemakin.
It's not about manifesting a car. It's about becoming the
person who has that type of car. And it actually
doesn't matter what you think because it's always going to
just be whatever you think it needs to be. And

(15:18):
that's where a lot of people get stuck because they're like, oh,
it's too hard because that person they have to sacrifice
this or this and that and whatnot. But I'm like, no,
you actually get to decide who that person is who
has that thing. You just have to be really clear
and you have to understand that it's not you now
and then like the jump from you now to the

(15:40):
next level you and understand there does need to be
a change if you want to change your reality.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, there's always a trade off and there's always sacrifice.
It's like you can have everything, but not everything at once.
And that's not to place limitation on what's possible for you,
but no, you probably don't get to go out every
single weekend and build a business. You probably don't get
to eat fast food whilst building your dream body. You
probably don't get to entertain toxic relationships while trying to

(16:07):
find your dream one. Like that is the trade off,
and that is the sacrifice, and it's the reality of it.
Time collapsing and dissolving. Time in terms of Okay, I've
got this goal and I'm currently this person is just
becoming and it almost feels like a life hack, and
it almost feels like it's too easy because it's like, oh,
if I just did the things that I knew would

(16:27):
get me close to that goal, I'm probably going to
get close to that goal. But as humans we we
love easy, we love being. We're always going to look
for the laziest path and that's not a bad thing. Survival, yeah,
but find the laziest path towards the goal, yes, not

(16:49):
short term comfort. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
And that's the thing is there will act. There will
always have to be sacrifices. It's just maybe not the
sacrifices you think, which is they can interesting. And that's
even why I love having like expanders of like people
who have maybe achieved something, you know how like maybe
it's like someone who has what's a good example, or

(17:12):
like gained five hundred followers in like a short amount
of time, but then you like look at their content
and they're posting three times a day and they're like
fully embodied in their next level self and it's like
the evidence is all there, and yes, it was like
a short amount of time, so it's like telling my
brain maybe it doesn't have to be that long, or
like you know, those sorts of things. And I find

(17:34):
that really helps of like getting those people who've like
done the thing easier but who has still done.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
The thing, That is very helpful and catching yourself where
you go to make things unnecessarily hard because you think
hustling and grinding and so many and I know that
you've spoken about this so much, and we've spoken about
it separately. So many women are married to being the
hard worker. It's just like a badge of honor.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
That was my story.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I work so hard. I'm always tired. I'm just
so busy. But where are you creating that? Because you
feel like success is wrapped up and how hard you
work and not how little you actually do. We can
work really, really smart and not that hard. I have
no issue saying I'm not a very hard work I'm
really not. You know what I think about it. I'm like, well,

(18:22):
define hard work, because of course it's define hard work.
But am I like digging trenches for twelve hours? Like, no,
I'm not. Did I get my head on day?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, totally right like you yeah about really hard work.
And it's like, no, I don't work that hard. But
I don't even want to teach hard work. I don't
even want to encourage hard work because we're women. No
what I'm supposed to. I don't know about you, but
I don't want to work hard.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, it's funny because I had to really work through
that whole hard working thing I got from my dad
and me and Coopy even say, now we probably work
the least amount of time, probably maybe not effort, but
like because there's obviously an energy situation, but it's like
the least amount of time we ever have and never

(19:07):
earned so much. So it's like, let that kind of
give me evidence that it's not actually about the working
hard and even like something is very interesting, is I
love how you talk about like being more in your
feminine and realizing you can do it the masculine way.
Like we have both done it the masculine way with

(19:27):
strategy and like the hard work and the effort, and
we have got the result. But also we've both done
it the feminine way, and it's like very easy. It
feels very like, for example, today I have like three
back to back podcasts. I have meetings with Aleisha. But
it's like in the grand scheme of things, I'm going

(19:48):
to finish at four pm, go see my daughter, dinner's
going to be cooked. I'm going to go to my
big buck off house.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Do you relax?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
And I'm literally sitting here talking to you, yapping away,
and this is my job for the day. This is
what I mean yeah, like do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like like, do.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
You see what I do? You get it?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Do you get it?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
But this is exactly this isn't not that hard. No,
it's not that hard. It's not that deep, but it's
it's It's such a funny conversation for me because I
think we're in this era of it's so interesting. We're
in this era of like the Girl Boss and the Hustle,
but it's kind of dying and women are coming back
into ill can I actually just chill?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
I feel like the Girl Boss is definitely like I.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Actually fucking had having a job. And this is one
thing I always think about, do I want a job? No?
And I don't say this, and I want to be
careful in what I'm saying, because anyone that has a
job who's listening is like, well, I have a job,
so thanks Riley. It's like, no, no, no, that's not
what I'm saying. But no girl in their core is
like I love having a job. I love working hard,
I love grinding, I love hustling. Like I feel so

(20:53):
good in that. And of course there's elements of that
where you can be like, no, I really love my
work and I'm passionate, and of course I love my work.
I'm so passionate about my work, but I do not
want to work hard. I want to receive the most
amount that I can for his little effort and time possible,
because we're women and we're actually made to receive. And

(21:15):
what's not supporting so many women right now, whether you're
in corporate, in a job, in a role in business,
whatever it may be, when you're trying to mimic the
masculine way of doing things, you're met with so much
unnecessary resistance. It's like we are women. One. We work
on a twenty eight day cycle on average, right, Men

(21:36):
work on a twenty four hour cycle. Yet we try
and wake up and live our days like a man
lives their days. We try and structure our weeks like
a man would structure his weeks. It's not the way
we work. So we have to blow up the idea
of what that looks like and go, Okay, if I'm
a woman, which I am, how can I leverage being

(21:57):
a woman? How can I leverage that in my favor?
Because if we worked with our cycle and not against it,
it'd be insane what we achieve in a twenty eight
day cycle. Instead, we're mimicking that masculine way of doing things,
and we get to certain weeks where we're met with
so much resistance to fresh hard. We can't think propational,

(22:18):
no creativity. We're blocked, we're frustrated, we're bloated. We don't
want to be on camera, like I know for me
and my role, and you're exactly the same. You're on
camera a lot and you're filming yourself a lot. There
are some weeks where I'm hard, No, I do not
want to be filmed, don't. Yeah, it's just not in me.
But the weeks that I'm on could sit down all
day and.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, everyone look at me.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
I'm literally in that scene right now. But you know,
it's just it's just something I think that women in general.
It's a conversation that just needs to be had no
matter what role you're in, we're not men.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Well. Also, so for someone who maybe struggles to grasp
this because they have been living in a masculine way
for so long and like conditioning from their parents, how
they were brought up very masculine. Something that I will
add to this is we know, for example, it's not

(23:11):
a correct let me try and articulate this. We know
for example that it's like I can do the same
you know, job as someone else and get paid ten
times as much because of this and that like we
know it's not like a direct transactional you do this,

(23:32):
you get paid that. Like, there's a lot more that
goes into that. There's energetics, there's who you are and whatnot.
And so I think a way to kind of explain
being in your feminine is even though maybe you're not
working as many days, the days you do work, you're
so intentional with your energy that it's like you are

(23:56):
maybe receiving tenfold on those days that it like makes
up for the other days.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Definitely does that kind of makes sense. I felt like
like we we got there to a vinal podcast, especially
when you happen all day. No, but that's it. And
I think women are made to receive. And it's like,
if we take the analogy of you know, a glass
of water, the glass is the masculine. It's the structure,
it's the stability, it's the support. We need to have

(24:24):
that to create safety for the feminine, which is the water,
and without the masculine, the water is everywhere it's got
no container to hold you know, the actual feminine, which
we need. It's like a relationship. We need the masculine
to create safety for the feminine, which is a very
erratic energy. It's very it's flowy like we're all over

(24:45):
the place. It's fluid, like we're all over the place.
And that's perfect. We're creative and we're intuitive, so we
can have such big impact. It's nonstructure. Yeah, but we
need the masculine. So it's like in business, Yes, we've
got the automation and the systems and the structure and
frameworks to create safety for us to be able to
come in and have a conversation without any structure. Because

(25:06):
if we sat here now and was like, okay, the
conversations going this, this, this, this, this this, that's so masculine.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, like we just feel so clunky. Yeah, I just
put my phone away.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, like your hash there and then you're like whatever,
because we're just going to we're gonna yap anyway. So
I think it's just a really interesting conversation even for
anyone to consider, you know, even in an office environment, right,
Like sometimes as a woman you want to work from
the soft office, like you want to be on the
couch or you want to be in bed, and you

(25:36):
can be ten x productive working from a couch, then
you can an office desk. Because it's that time of
the month. I'm bloated, my pants are digging in, my
back's freaking saw, kind of got a headache. But if
you put me in a dark run a couch, I'll
probably get shit done.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
And that's understanding that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
And letting that be okay, Like your hard work can
be working from the soft office, and that's an all
right thing to do. But we make ourselves so wrong.
So many clients I speak to with it, like I
just feel so lazy this week, and I'm not doing
anything this week, and I just can't focus this week.
And it's something that I just see so many women
battling with behind the scenes, especially female entrepreneurs, who feel

(26:15):
like they've got to be so on all the time.
We are just not made that way. No, and it's
okay to be completely off sometimes. And the most productive
thing you can do is go for a walk, have
a massage, and watch Gossip Girl. And I actually guarantee
you receive money in that time warranted you've done the
things that you need to do when you're on because

(26:36):
it's still execution, right. The feminine's not sit back and
do nothing and just hope it comes in. It's like, no,
we execute and we do the things we say we're
going to do. But then we sit back and we
let it, we let it cook. Yeah, yeah, receive.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
And so let's go into like you said, you've definitely
done business in a masculine way. What's the kind of
difference and how do you do things in a feminine
way in your business currently?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Well? As women. I think something that's always important to
remember is we're not meant to pursue. We're not meant
to persuade, We're not meant to convince. We're not meant
to chase. We're not meant to beg We're not meant
to no desperate energy, no desperate energy. We're actually made
to sit back and receive. As silly as that sounds.
So in business, the way that I approach that, especially

(27:25):
in sales, is coming in with that energy of I
will execute and get things moving and happening to generate
that result. But no, I'm not going to convince you
to buy. No I'm not going to chase new leads. No,
I'm not going to persuade or convince you as to
why I'm a good person to buy from or you
should buy from me. So we think about it from

(27:45):
a marketing lens. Men are really driven by like fake urgency,
exaggerated authority, or competition. Like we know men are driven
by that. So if you're like I do a million
dollar a month, no, men love that. Or if it's
you only have seventy two hours to get in at
this price point, men love that. We're not driven by that.

(28:07):
Women are innately emotional beings and we're very intuitive. We
can see through bullshit so clearly and so quickly. So
if you're a woman selling a service to women or
selling anything to women, it doesn't land and it doesn't
work because we just call bullshit the minute we see it.

(28:28):
We want to trust you, we want to connect with you,
we want to know you, we want to really like you.
And women value things like style and ascetic and connection
and shared values and invitation. So when I think about
selling in business, for me, if I go I've got
to sell today, No, I have to extend an invitation today.

(28:49):
Do you want to join me in getting the transformation
that you're probably seeking a solution in amazing the invites here,
But it's like any in if you're having a party
and you put out you don't think about your email list.
You've got I don't know, ten thousand people in your
email list. You send out ten thousand invitations, you know
that some people will say yes, some people will say no,

(29:11):
and some people will say maybe. Either way, you're going
to be at the party. So it's up to them
whether or not they come. Am I going to follow
up and chase and push and convince you to come? No,
I'm not because I'm a woman of a maid to receive,
and there is nothing more repelling as a woman than
someone pursuing you. So true went to a woman.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, for example, if you send out an invite to
the party and someone's like are you coming? And you're like,
oh no, I can't make it because it's so and
so's birthday, And they're like, but why can't you come? After?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I please you, I'm gonna have the best cake there ever,
You're like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, you're like, way stop, I's obsessed with me such
an eg So yeah, that makes complete sense, And.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think what can then happen with a lot of
women is they feel then out of control. But if
I'm not chasing what people supposed to come to me,
and if I'm not always pursuing new leads or new
people or new clients or whatever, what am I supposed
to do?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Like?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
How am I going to receive clients? But this is
whereas when we have to think about our natural magnetism
and what makes us so magnetic by nature. If you
think about it in the dating world and not just
talk to like the polarity between you know, masculine and
feminine energy. It is so much more attractive to a
masculine energy when the feminine is secure, when she's grounded,

(30:28):
when she's focused on her and she's just doing her thing.
Like the masculine is way more likely to pursue you
when you're lent out than when you're leaning in. So
if you think about it from even an attachment style,
if in a sales conversation, marketing conversation, conversion conversation in business,
if we think about the two people involved, you, as

(30:48):
the seller will call it, are in your feminine because
you're receiving in this dynamic, and the buyer is in
their masculine because they're accessing logic, they're making a decision.
They're the ones that are like analyzing this person or
that person, this product or that product, this event or
that event, like whatever the comparison is. We know, to
create safety, we have to stay secure for the masculine

(31:12):
to lean in if we're anxiously attached in that process
and we're pursuing the masculine like hey, just checking in,
Hey just wondering, Hey, just they're out. Because to maintain polarity,
one person has to lean out when the other leans in,
and we want that to go in our favor. So
if you're the feminine receiving, you have to lean out
to create safety for the masculine to lean in and

(31:35):
not the other way around. And a lot of women
will lose sales and you know, fail to kind of
close the sale or just struggle with conversion, whether it
is like a product based business or service based business
because they're too busy convincing, pushing, chasing, then actually creating
really high value content, sitting back and being deeply secure

(31:56):
in who they are and what they do and letting
clients come to knowing they move the needle in their
business and.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Knowing they had the solution and knowing that they'll have
the transformation when they come to them.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, and you're so certain than that. How attractive is
certainty like in anyone because when you're certain in yourself
and your product, in your service and the transformation in whatever,
there's no proving. Drink it or don't drink it. I
don't care. I know it's so good. So it speaks

(32:29):
for itself because it exudes like so much confidence when
you're certain in something. When you're uncertain and maybe you
say things like I feel like an impostor you probably
are being an impostor. Maybe the product's not where you
want it to be, maybe the service isn't up to
the level you want it to be. Maybe you don't
feel embodied enough and what it is that you're teaching,
and that will impact everything you do from a front

(32:52):
facing perspective, whether it is your marketing or your messaging
or your content, because when you doubt yourself again, your
internal world will always reflect your external So it's a
huge part that we miss. It's like self esteem and
business is really important. I speak about it all the time.
Money loves self esteem. Sales love self esteem. Opportunity, love,

(33:12):
self esteem. You know, if I lacked confidence, I wouldn't
sit here because why would you want me on your podcast?
You wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
No, I think that was weird.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
That was so.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Strange, right, But it's just little things like that, And
that's definitely something in you I'm attracted to. And because
you're embodied, you're confident. I know you practice what you breach.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, but if I said yeah, like sales is good, yeah,
it's just not attractive. And I think that's something in
business too. I talk about it a lot, like the
halo effect and something that I copped really early in
my business. And I remember it was a bit of
a story for me, and I'm sure you've experienced this

(33:58):
as well. Being blonde and six ccessful and young and
entrepreneurial is the story around, like you're only successful because
you're attractive. And I remember someone said it to my face,
and it was kind of always a story in my head.
And then someone said it to me, you know, I
only feel like you built success because you're hot. It
was something like that, and as another girl said it
to me in the industry, so I was like, oh,

(34:19):
like that's a that's already a story and now it's
really a story. And I remember thinking, Okay, well if
that's true, if sex cells, if all of these things
contribute to success, fuck it. Yeah, why don't we leverage it?
You know, make it your superpower. The halo effect is real.
And this is less to do with physical attraction, way

(34:41):
more to do with energy. Like I say, I say
hot or confident or attractive, but I really am talking
energy because it's it's a frequency thing. Right. When you
decide to leverage everything that you are, shoulders back, you
sit up, you're confident in what you say, You're well,
like you've got articulation in terms of like this is
what I think and this is how I think. That's fell.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, well that's even. Like I was talking to someone
about like magnetism. They're like, but what is magnetism? I'm like,
you know those people who it's like they're not necessarily
the hottest person, they're not necessarily the most successful or anything,
but like they walk into a room and you're attracted
to them, like you want to talk to them, you
want to see whether they're like who is this person?

(35:26):
And you're like interested. It's because they're holding themselves and
they have a certain like magnetic charismatic energy that usually
has nothing to do with looks or even sometimes they're
like a bit quirky looking or like, you know, there's
just something where you're like, there's something about this person
and I'm attracted to it. And a lot of people

(35:49):
think it's just about the physical, it's just about the intellect,
but it's like it's so much about how they be
and the energy. So that makes so much sense in
regards to being in your feminine being secure knowing that
you know you have the solution, you have the testimony,
and it's like, I'm not expecting everyone to buy from me.
I'm not expecting everyone to come over here, and I

(36:11):
am so secure in myself and what I offer that
I'm not worried and that's felt need it.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
It's almost that and something else on self esteem. It's
like self esteem is really built through creating self trust,
and the fastest way to build self trust is to
follow through and execute. If you want what you say
you'll do, just do the thing you say you're going
to do. And it's the micro moments this is me
that I have to really really strengthen over the years

(36:38):
where it's something as simple as like when I get home,
so you go out for dinner, I'm going to have
a shower, brush my teeth before I hop into bed
and scroll. But then you get home and you like
in your bed and you scroll instead, and in an hour's passing,
you're like, fuck, I've gotta brush my teeth. They're going
a power. Still, you weren't your word. You lost trust
in that moment. So it's micro moments. We think it's
so much bigger than it is. It's like, where are

(36:59):
you not being your word in the smallest moments, like
I'm gonna charge my phone. I didn't charge my phone,
or I'm going to take the rubbish out when I
get home, And then you don't take the rubbish out
when you get home. You lose trust every single time
you don't do the thing you say you're going to do.
And I heard someone say it once, but it's like,
nothing is more damaging to self worth than not doing

(37:19):
the thing you say you're going to do, Like it
is the fastest way to lose confidence, it's the fastest
way to doubt yourself. It's the fastest way to feel
like you're not capable. When you write a list, and
not a list that's not achievable, just a list and
you just wake up and you do it. Just take
note of how you feel. You will be more confident.

(37:42):
You will feel better. In turn, you act better when
you act better. It's such a flow and effect. It's
like this beautiful web of like if you just do
what you say you're going to do, you trust yourself.
When you trust yourself, you respect yourself. When you respect yourself,
you like yourself. When you like yourself, You're confident when
you're you've got self esteem, when you have really high
self esteem. Your internal world is a reflection of owth.

(38:06):
And you want to attract so opportunities, money, success, it
all starts to come to you. But really it just
starts with follow through.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well that's why like achievements feel so good because you've
said you're gonna do something, you wanted to achieve this thing,
and then you do. Like that's like and like you said,
it doesn't have to be these huge goals, these huge achievements.
You actually can do it in the micro moments and
still get the same effect that will have a flow
on effect to everything else.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, like I'm moving at the moment and I said
to myself of the night, You're going to pack three
boxes with the kitchen before you sleep, Like just three boxes.
And I did it, and I went to bed feeling
so accomplished. And I'm just packing boxes for a move, right,
It's not contributing to anything. But I wake up the
next day knowing I've already ahead. I've done what I
said I'm going to do. Now I have time for
my walk. When I go on my walk, I'm a

(38:54):
better person. When i'm a better person, I show up
in a better way. It's it is in the mind
chrome moments, and I think we underestimate that massively, where
it's like we need to do this big thing. It's
like focus on the one percent, as cliche as that is,
and just watch and witness how differently you start to
feel and then in turn show up. It's the biggest

(39:16):
life hack. I love that so much.

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for all the details. All right, let's get back into
the episode, jumping back to feminine why and like feminine
in business, feminine in sales why? Because something I've noticed,
like why do you think women struggle so much to sell?

(41:13):
Like they find it. That's like saying they're like, oh
I feel really eky? You know, why do you think
that's the thing? I think too, so like men don't
know nuh.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
I actually have posted on this month where I was like,
have you noticed how men will never apologize for selling?
And I'm like, there's something to that. A man will
never apologize for being too much.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
One second, I literally remember I was listening to like
Jenna Kutcher's podcast and I remember once she like did
this whole thing where she's like, I'm not putting ads
my podcast for a whole three months just to give
you guys like value and content and I don't want
you guys to feel like there's just a whole bunch
of ads my podcast. And then you listen to someone

(41:54):
like like Stephen Bartlett or something, Yeah, there's just like
he's never gonna be like, guys, I'm not doing ads
and do you know.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
What I mean? Completely? Why do we feel like that? Yeah,
it's so annoying. Isn't annoying annoying? Because yeah, but we
do apologize. And I think if there's so much to
be said for it, I think it comes back to
a lot of like good girl conditioning and a lot
of women and you might relate listening. I've definitely been there,
and I'm sure you've been there. It's you know, women

(42:21):
can't be selfish, Women can't be greedy, women can't be
too much, women can't be obnoxious, women can't be outspoken,
women can't have an opinion. Like it goes into all
of this stuff where sales, really you're asking for something, Okay,
so that makes you selfish and greedy? What are you
asking for something that's going to result in money? What

(42:42):
does money make you? It makes you greedy, it makes
you this, it makes you that. So we've got a
lot of stories tied up around wealth and success and
money and asking for things. It's definitely been a lot
of my work, But ultimately I feel women are mimicking
the masculine way of doing things and then wondering why
are met with so much resistance. But if we come

(43:03):
into I actually get to sell like a woman, which
is a huge part of my brand and what I
speak to. But selling like a woman is selling in
a way that women actually respond to. It's selling in
a way that we feel really good to sell. Like
maybe when we're integrating and add in a podcast, it's
not plugging in with this script that the company has

(43:23):
potentially sent, and it's very you know, like line by
line and it feels very clunky. But the way we
could integrate that is sharing a real life experience and
connecting over something that is real for us or true
for us. I hear that, and I'm like, yeah, sold,
like kind again, I hear you. So it's a lot
in a lot more in the delivery, and I think

(43:44):
the perception of it then the story around whether or
not we should be selling. I love that.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
And even what you described before about like selling in
a feminine way, like you said that and I was like,
that feels so easy. And I feel like a lot
of people if they're selling in the feminine way, they're
not gonna feel ekey, They're not gonna feel like they
can't sell. They're not gonna feel like they can't show up. Yeah,
and that's even like I remember speaking to one of

(44:13):
like my content my previous content creators, and she even
said something to me like, oh, but we've done you know,
three posts this week about the Abundance Academy, Like are
you sure you don't want to do some more personal content,
and I was like why, like, yeah, I'm selling my course,
but it's like we can do it in like a

(44:33):
really iron you sell in a personal way, like and
she was kind of saying like, oh, people are gonna
get annoyed, and I'm like, well, no, it's like if
they don't like their content, they can just simply unfollow me.
But it's like I'm still gonna like show up and
like tell people what I've got going on, like this
is why I'm on social media, and yeah, of course,
but it's like I'm not like for me, it can

(44:55):
feel a bit manipulative to be like sale content, personal content,
sale content. Put some content in there of like my child,
you know, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Like you're just ticking a box and like, oh, I'm
up to personal or I'm not up to educational or not.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
And like it shouldn't feel like that, because I think
that's when it's going to feel like key yeah. Whereas
for me, it's like if I want to do nine
posts on like naked Harvests creatine, I will like because
it's like if that's what's coming through me, and that's
what like feels good because I need to sell in
a way that feels good to me. That's what I'm

(45:30):
going to do. And so it's like very interesting when
people in the path has like been like oh, but
it feels like hey or whatnot. I'm like, but why
if you're selling your authentic self? And also I sell
in a very like emotional way because I'm an emotional buyer,
like and so I very much I love how you touch.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
On that because I was like, oh that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Yeah, So it is very interesting and it's very much
often it's not so much like it's ecky to sell.
It's like our perception and why we think and then
navigating it like.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Backwards through that. And I think a lot comes down
to money beliefs that we hold, especially as women. I
think it's still interesting to have the conversation around like
it is new for women to be making money still
like we are at the we are at the beginning
of it. To an extent, yes, it's not it's not
that long ago that this was nowhere near the norm.
So for women to be making not only money, but

(46:30):
a lot of money in a way that doesn't require
us to actually work that quote unquote hard, it's a
really jarring concept because we were raised by a generation
where it wasn't normal.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Well that's even like this is going off for a tangent.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I find it.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
We love it so interesting how triggered, especially men get by,
for example, an influencer earning a lot of money through
social media, who she's just showing up being herself, posting content,
and like, people are so triggered, and I'm like, that's

(47:05):
like that actually explains a lot. It's because it's so
jarring to see a woman because usually content creators are
women in they're feminine, doing their thing, being authentically themselves
and making bank. And it's like people find that so
triggering because they're like, no, but you've gotta work really hard.
Even like we recently bought a new house and the

(47:29):
comments section on TikTok was wild where people were like, oh, well,
she's just an influencer, that's why she can afford it.
It's like babes, I literally like multiple businesses. If you
even watch my social media, yeah, like you see the
determination and drive and yeah, like you also see like

(47:50):
the fun tiktoks they do, and like the fun content
I have on my team and my life is really
fun and easy. But that doesn't mean I'm not deserving
of what I earn. And so I just think it's
so funny because I'm like, your perception of me will
be the reason where you're not successful.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, what makes me so annoyed about hearing that, which
of course it's happening, but it makes me so annoyed
because this is actually the issue. Right. We reward people,
I've yeah, I could go on about this but no,
but we reward hard work and success, Like if someone

(48:28):
has really hustled for a result, we reward the hustle.
It's like, you grinded for that and your story was
so insane and X, Y and z, And then when
someone does it in a way that it's never easy.
But let's just say now it's like easy and you're
actually artist living your best life and there are no issues.

(48:49):
That's when like the tall Poppy syndrome comes in and
it's like, you can't have that if you're not working hard.
You can't have that if it hasn't been you know,
this really horrible journey to get there, And like you said,
from a perception lens, they then create that for themselves
and that's the thing that keeps out so many people
stuck because I promise you for you listening, it probably

(49:10):
could be really, really easy. But if you're married to
it being hard, you're going to create hard systems. Yeah,
just so that can be your story and in turn
you might never get there.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Well, this is even just came to my brain. I'm
not sure if we'll leave this in or not a
bit controversial, but even like the topic of only fans,
people are so mad that a woman can be in
the safety of her own home not necessarily participate or
be like a porn star. Bit she can do whatever

(49:42):
content she was maybe going to do anyway, or like
whatever she wants to do, and make so much money
for it, and people like, obviously there is like other
sides to it, and we won't get into that, we
won't comment on that. But I even think it's so
interesting with that because I'm like, there's always been porn.

(50:03):
There's always been women who show their bodies and you know,
do certain acts, and there's always people watching them, buying it.
There's a fucking porn industry. Likes that's always been a thing,
but it's in this new way which makes it easier
for specifically female content creators and safer, and people are

(50:25):
so mad at it. Like again, I know there's other
issues that come into it when we're not like talking
about that, but even that concept, I'm like so interesting
from like a mindset perspective.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
And we've never lived in a time whether it be
only fans, online, business creations, right whatever, Like there's a
thousand ways to make money now in many capacities, but
we've never lived in a time where it's actually so
easy to leverage something that you are naturally incredible at
and turn it into income. And I think anyone right

(50:59):
now that isn't doing that or has being negative to
say about it, like aka the old men and your
TikTok comment section is because they one can't and two
never will be able to. So it's very jarring to
see so many young women succeeding because it can never
be their reality based on the limitation they placed on themselves,

(51:20):
based on their mindset, based on the way they see
the world. So we you know, when our kids one
day are in their twenties and thirties, it's a different world,
Like this will be the most normal thing in the
entire world. It's just not normal yet. And I think
sometimes we forget that we are we are sort of

(51:40):
the first wave of this. Yeah, we have to walk
the path. Yeah's and there's a lot of projection.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
In that, and you gotta hold the projections. And look,
I always go to like, who would I rather be
the person commenting on my TikTok or me in the TikTok?
And I'd always rather be b So yeah, you know,
you just allow it. But it is so interesting and
you can clearly see someone's comments, someone's judgment, someone's criticism
is such a projection of their own limiting beliefs always

(52:12):
literally nothing to do with you.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, and you just, oh, the judgment conversation, I think
is so big. It's like, if there's anything to take
from any conversation ever, I just don't let judgment win.
Don't let the fear that you're experiencing like override the
life you know you deserve to experience. It's like, we
all have a better beliefs that don't serve us, and
we all have fears that hold us back. But the
ones that succeed, the ones that get really good at

(52:34):
just having that fear and moving anyway and knowing those
beliefs are there. But then just choosing to create or
rewrite those beliefs because they exist. Like it doesn't matter
who you are. You fear judgment, you fear criticism, you
fear being misunderstood, you fear failing, but you just get
really good at moving anyway.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, and that's wanted to discomfort because it is.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Uncomfortable, but then someone's being told what to do. So
for Pear, I'm just gonna keep going literally, you know,
like it's just choose your heart, always choose your heart. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
So something I want to shift gears and just talk
about again like the feminine being feminine your business, because
this is something that I have struggled with. Again, it's
very easy for me to be masculine, like I find
it very easy. It's honestly harder for me to be feminine.
But I know when I'm always in my masculine, I

(53:29):
do get burnt out. And I have had so many
periods of burnt out like previously, and it's something I'm
very conscious of. And so for you, what do you
think is like, how can a female scale her business
want that extra output while still being in the feminine

(53:49):
and not reaching burnout.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I think there's a big conversation and something to be
said around home life and your support outside of business
because your business now you're like another conversation I think
one in business, there's always going to be a level
of masculine that's required to scale, Like there is no

(54:14):
denying that. Like I said before, do you have automation
in place? Do you have systems in place? Do you
have frameworks in place? An example of this can be
do you have sales funnel set up? Do you have
social media scheduled? Have you about created your podcast episodes
for the month ahead? Do you have team to support
you with admin and outsourcing those tasks? Do you have

(54:36):
you know, like automated email sent out when it's the weekend?
Like what are different things that you have set up
to support you so you can be in your feminine
Like business is moving when you're not. This is a
really big thing from a business perspective. So it's like
you feel really held in your business because it's just
like this well oiled machine, whether or not you're actively

(54:56):
doing anything that day or not, Like can you sit
back in business still moves? If no, then some masculine
needs to be implemented in whatever capacity that looks like and.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Does it look like, yeah, there will always need to
be masculine, and it's like figuring that out and doing
that first and then understanding that it's not like masculine massular,
masumaze mass and messine burnout. It's masculine feminine. Masculine feminine.
Is that kind of what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Completely because you want to be integrating all of this
obviously as business progresses and builds, but in a way
that allows you to be in your feminine. So if
I'm outsourcing to team and I hire a team, amazing.
Now I freed up all of my morning admin. I'm
no longer touching payments, I'm no longer touching emails, I'm
no longer touching back end. Incredible, So what can I

(55:45):
do in that time? I can go for a walk,
I can answer my clients. I can create content. It's
having a structure around the thing that you need to
do so it moves, you can create and you're supported
in both parts. If I had none of that implemented,
how can I be in my feminine? I have to
do things automatically. I've got to manually send out things.

(56:07):
If I don't sell, I can't sell Like it's all
of these different things where it's like, can you sit
back and still receive money without actively doing anything that day?
If no, you need automation in place. Our email is
going out, Like for an example, my BM does all
my emails, so I'll wake up and now like get
an email from myself and I'm like, oh, hi.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Sam, and my first subject line so and what's this?
I'm like, A good one.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah, It's like a lot of it's my copy from
either things that I've written or done on programs, but
it's not ever I'm not the one curating the email.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
So I'm always like the subject saying how to blah
blah blah, and I'm just like, oh what did I say?
And then clicking it, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm an
I remember, I know same and I'm not one Georgie.
I look.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
But it's like that's the system. So you might have
like all your podcasts batch you like, okay the next
six weeks of contents being rolled out. So if in
one of those weeks, so I'm tighten them on the couch,
I'm still posting content that day. Things are still selling
that day, Everything's still moving that day, even though I'm
not moving, and that's a feminine lad business. What's very
masculine is like I create and posts that day. I

(57:13):
do everything this day. I have to write the email today.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
So, for example, if you're absolutely not, for example, if
you're launching, so is it called sales academy, your sales academy.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Do you have launches or do you We're watch of
one right now, but technically speaking, yeah, it is always open. Okay.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
So let's say you're in a launch for sales academy.
Are you, for example, three weeks ay, three weeks out? Wow, sorry,
been a long day. Are you, for example, three weeks
out batching? Okay, today I'm going to do six Instagram posts. Today,
I'm going to do blah blah blah. Are you kind

(57:53):
of doing that for a launch or like what does
that look like?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Give some tangible so yes, in short, yeah, like we'll
always have a plan months out. Typically I would say
two months out from anything moving or happening.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Not too far because you never know how you feel.
Oh my god, no, I'm out a week. I'm the
worst of that. Like Jamie will ask me, she's asking
me about like my maternity leave, which is in August,
and I was like, ask me in a month, just
I can't I kind even go there.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I know, I'm not. Yeah, even two weeks aheads, like
even what's for dinner is huge. I'm like, I don't
know what I feel like in it out wait wait,
but yeah, always a plan in place. So it's like
we've got notion and things in place where we will
map out literally copy for everything, the email funnels, marketing
side of things, modules and everything's done down to email

(58:45):
templates are done, so come launch, it's all just set
up and ready to essentially roll out. I'm not doing
it in real time, but I will allow space for
creation in the moment. So if I'm like I just
want to create for TikTok in the moment, I just
crept in the moment. But that feels really good totally
because I but if you don't when it's not going
to like saber charge, no, yeah, I'm not relying on

(59:07):
it that day, and that's really important, I think. And
just circling back to the home life part, I feel
very lucky and grateful that when I think about my partner,
I'm like, I don't I don't cook and clean. I
don't cook. I don't clean, No, but it's something for
me where I'm like, well, if i'm you know, because

(59:28):
we are in our masculine quite a lot, there's things
that I like to be looked after in that are
maybe not traditional, but that does feel good for me.
Like if I don't have to worry about the groceries like,
that feels good for me. If I don't have to
think about the washing being done, that feels good for me.
So in ways, I get to receive and I feel
like I can turn my brain off. Like when I'm

(59:50):
with him, I don't if I'm going on a walk
in the morning, He's like we're going on a walk,
I'm like what am I wearing? Like is it a
beach walk? Is it a path walk? Is it going
to the gym? After? You just tell me? And I
personally I know not everyone loves that. I just love
to be told where I'm going, when I'm going, and
what I should be wearing. I love it too, And
then I'm like cool, I can just hick to my
brain off.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Tim literally like yep, cooks cleans and even like my
favorite thing is he just knows where everything is. Like
I'm like, do you know where my apods are He's like,
yuh in the third draw blah blah blah, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Know what this is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
And like I probably know, but it's like the feels good. Oh,
someone just like knows where everything is. And even like
he was away in his trip and I'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Like, do you know where this thing is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Blah blah blah, I need like no, and I'm like, oh,
I probably like just needed that, Like yeah, yeah, you're
like actually have my head, but I check that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I had to check that you need. It's so true,
but I think it's just nicer as women. We again,
we're living in a different world, and if you're working
and your partner's working, it's it's coming into all how
do you want to be supported in other ways? Because
maybe it is just being able to turn your brain
off when it comes to what meals you're having that
week or life add mean, like, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Tim's very good like cooking, cleaning, life admin. But even
something I realized the other day, we me and Tim
just don't talk about business. Like I will tell him
very like top line things, but we're not talking strategy.
We're not talking those sorts of things. And he honestly
never asked me and someone the other day was like, oh,

(01:01:23):
you know, I just like found it so basically saying
like their partner, and she found it like she wanted
him to ask her questions about business. And I was
reflecting and I was like, yeah, he doesn't really ask me.
But it's like in a way of like I can
just come home and I switched my brain off and
I'm not thinking about work. I'm not thinking about a
strategy for a launch, you know, creaty or whatever it's like.

(01:01:45):
And that feels so good to me, and I'm very grateful.
And I think it's like we have set that boundary,
we have set that container, and he knows when I
come home. I yeah, I don't want to like obviously,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
It's just like healthy separation too, yes, And I think
as women too. I don't know if you find this,
but I love getting completely ready for my day and
then getting unready for my day because when I'm ready,
I'm working, and then the minute my hair's up, jewelry
is off. Yes, and I get into an oversized T shirt.
I'm not working anymore. I think having that separation, especially
if you work from home. I work from home. I

(01:02:21):
need to be like i'm working, I'm not working, yes,
and I come on a form of like I just
want my rings off at night. I don't know about
you when like get my rings off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah I can't. I'm like that, even timsake, but you
don't whar you're like winning at my I'm not married
on this house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
It's like, yeah, there's certain like ritols and routines round
like wash the day off, like I have a shower
straight away, those sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It's like little cues to create separation and you to
be like, Okay, I was in my masculine, now in
my feminine. Yeah, and I'm receiving.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
I love that so much, Riley. I have loved this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Thank you so much. This is like we've gone in
a lot of different directions, but standard all the mess
podcasts do that. Where can people find you work with
you learn more about feminine sales?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
So I'm over at Instagram, my personal at the Riley
May and you can also follow the academy page at
Women that Sell And if you want to, I guess
like dip your toe in and start this work, you
can always DM me the word sell on Instagram and
that will send you directly to a master class of
mine which dives into all things feminine led sales, particularly

(01:03:36):
if you're a service provider. It is honestly game changing
and it's just the way forward in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I'll go watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
He DNA, all right, you get out of my dfs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Thank you so much, my love. I appreciate that, and
of course we will link everything in the show notes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Amazing.

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