July 21, 2024 • 49 mins
The troubled life of Gareth Edward Toll Price and why he’s convinced his best mate David didn’t have anything to do with Amy’s death. Price is the same age Amy would have been had she lived but in a startling interview with Liam Bartlett, he reveals some holes in the theory Amy’s gunshot was self-inflicted.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This podcast contains information and details relating to suicide. We
urge anyone struggling with their emotions to contact Lifeline on
thirteen eleven fourteen thirteen eleven fourteen or visit them at
lifeline dot org dot au.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
We also warn listeners that this episode contains graphic content.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
A twenty four year old devoted mother of two fleeing
a violent relationship as a mom bags packed car running,
her daughters strapped into the backseat.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Mom told me that she needed to go back inside
to grab something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Panic.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Amy is dead, Sir amys dead?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Eight confusion About five minutes they said, no, it's a suicide.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
One hundred percent. This is Emergercy.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What do you think is really the honest truth about Amy?
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The Truth about Amy?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Episode five.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm Liam Bartlett.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I'm Alison Sandy.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can I mate? Here are going You must be Gareth Price?
How are you? Gareth? It's going on, Liam Bartlett L
seven new Spotlight.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah good, it's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're in Oldbury, not far from Serpentine, at a small
white farmhouse set back about ten meters from the main road.
Parked in front of the double car garage is Gareth's
white ut looking a bit disheveled in a gray sleeveless
shirt and tracksuit pants.
Speaker 8 (02:07):
His hair is a.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Rye and his hands dirt stained. We know he's been
out with Josh Bryden for most of the day before
arriving home. Bridon was also there the day Amy died,
but says he left before it happened. Gareth appears a
bit erratic and hyperactive, not unlike Anna described him to
be at the inquest, and strides up to Liam, who
(02:30):
has his hand out, which he shakes firmly.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, we're just doing a story about Amy Wensley. Yeah,
we're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
us please.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Gareth's face is a grimace. He's the same age Amy
would have been had she lived thirty four, exactly the
same age. They were born the same day, both six
years younger than David Simmons. This isn't Gareth's first rodeo.
(03:03):
He's been interviewed by police many times, not just about this,
but other crimes. His rap sheet is long and includes
some serious offenses such as assault, occasioning bodily harm in
twenty eleven, along with damaging property, driving without a license,
unlawfully discharging a firearm and stealing a motor vehicle in
(03:25):
twenty seventeen. More recently, he appeared in court for common assault.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Do you think it was a suicide that he was?
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Will return to his interview with Liam later, but firstly,
here's some background. Gareth Edward toll Price was born eleventh
of February nineteen ninety. His friendship with Simmons came about
through their mutual love of hunting. He says they met
through his younger brother, Richard. Gareth can't remember the exact time,
(03:56):
but it was around the time Kay was born and
when he was still married to Chill mckerny, who became
friends with Amy. At the inquest, Gareth said he never
witnessed any violence between Simmons and Amy until the day
she died.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But before we get to that, let's return to the
night of twenty sixth of June twenty fourteen and the
statement that Gareth made to police. We'll start with the
moment the car was packed and the kids were in
the back seat and Amy went back inside.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Simo then started the car so the heater was on
for the kids. Simo shouted to Amy. The kids said
hurry up, they want to go to Nana's. Amy shouted
back something like wait a minute. I then heard a
loud crack. I looked at Simo and said, what's she
breaking now. Simo turned off the car and walks into
the house. I followed him in and he opened the
door of the bedroom. Before I could get to the bedroom,
(04:56):
Simo began screaming, oh fuck, oh fuck. He rang past
me outside of the house. I could smell gunpowder as
I walked through the bedroom. Amy was behind the door.
In the corner of the room. There was a four
to ten shotgun resting on her leg. I grabbed hold
of the gun with my right hand and flicked it
back out of the way.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
I don't know why I did that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I grabbed hold of a towel from the floor and
threw it over Amy's head. I then went outside to
where Simo was on the patio, still freaking out. Neither
of us had a phone, so I jumped in the
car with Simo and drove up the road to the servo.
Speaker 9 (05:28):
To ring for the ambulance and police. We then went
back to the house.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Simo dropped me off and took the kids to Pinjara,
where their Nana lives.
Speaker 9 (05:36):
I waited by the gates. I didn't go back up
to the house.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
About fifteen minutes later, Simo's dad came down and said,
what's going on. I said, she shot herself. He said, yeah,
I see that. Who's put a towel on her head?
I said I did. He then asked who moved the gun.
I said I did. He said, I've unloaded it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
On August six, fourteen, just a little over a month later,
Gareth provides another statement to wa police. We pick up
at the same time as before.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Amy was not saying anything while putting stuff in the car.
I could tell she was angry, and I know that
she was crying. I saw Amy make about four trips
backwards and forwards putting things in the car.
Speaker 9 (06:21):
The kids were asking if they could stay with Simo.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Price says he then saw Simo take Neya inside, where
he spoke to Amy.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
He was only inside for a short time before coming
back out, maybe thirty seconds. He told the girls they
have to go with Amy. Simo put the girls in
the car. Simo also put some teddies in the car
for the girls. Simo yelled out to Amy while she
was inside to hurry up.
Speaker 9 (06:47):
Amy yelled back something like just give me a minute.
Josh had left by this point, he had to go.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
About the time Simo put the teddies in the car,
Simo was kneeling down at the car talking to the kids.
Simo started the car to put the heater on as
the kids were cold. Music was on in the car also.
I can't recall what the music was. It may have
been the radio. I then heard a crack, like a thud.
It sounded like someone breaking something. Simo started walking toward
(07:16):
the gate that leads to the door to Endo the house.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
I was behind Simo.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
As I got to the door, Simo came running out,
saying fuck, fuck, fuck, with his hands up to his face.
I went inside and I could smell gunpowder. I went
to Simo's bedroom and pushed the door open. It was
kind of stuck. Amy was behind the door. I went
in the room and flung the gun away from Amy.
I touched the gun down near the butt. The gun
(07:41):
was on Amy with the barrel pointing up toward her head,
the butt near her foot on the floor. The gun
was a four to ten side by side shotgun. It's
Simo's gun. We used that gun to shoot rabbits. All
the boys use it. I used a couple of weeks ago.
I've seen Simo use that gun. I've seen Amy use
it as well. Amy was making some noises. She was
(08:02):
sitting up against the wall. I could see blood on
the wall, and Amy looked to have been shot in
the head. I saw a towel on the floor in
the bedroom. I grabbed the towel and threw it onto
Amy's head. I think the towel was a marone or
red color, and it was a bath towel size. I
went out and said to Simo, we got to call someone.
I went back in and got a mobile phone from
(08:24):
Simo's bedroom that was up in the cupboard. Simo told
me that the phone doesn't work. I said, let's go
to your dad's house. Simo said, Dad's not fucking home.
I said, let's go to the servo. We got to
call somebody. We jumped in the Commodore. The kids were
still in the back. Simo was in the driver's seat
and I was the front passenger. The kids were asking
where's mum. Cimo told him she was sleeping. We drove
(08:49):
to the servo. Simo drove there fast. It normally takes
about ten minutes to get there. This time it took
about four minutes. We didn't go anywhere else. We drove
straight to the servo. We didn't say much on the
way to the servo. What could you say? Simo called
Triple zero and got an ambulance. He used the landline phone.
I told Simo to tell them that your missus shot
(09:09):
herself in the head. Simo told them that on the phone.
After that, Simo tried to call his dad a couple
of times, but he couldn't get through to him. We're
at servo for about ten to fifteen minutes. We left
the servo and drove back to Simo's place. Simo dropped
me off on Southwest Highway at the front of his place.
(09:31):
On the way back, the only thing Simo said was
that Amy was a gutless piece of shit and why
would she do it.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
I think Simo was in a bit of shock.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Really.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I waited there on the side of the road to
direct the ambulance. Simo left and took the kids to
Pinjarra to Amy's mum's house. I was out in the
front for ages. I don't know how many minutes, maybe
twenty Simo's dad came down and asked me what happened.
I said, she's dead, mate, she shot herself.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The rest of the conversation is very similar to the
previous statement. Four years later, cold case detectives again come
knocking and Gareth makes another statement, but unfortunately we don't
have a copy of that. He was also questioned vigorously
(10:21):
at the coronial inquest in twenty twenty one. One point
raised by Gareth then that he doesn't seem to mention elsewhere,
were claims that his wife, Rachel, told him that Amy
asked her if she'd ever thought of killing herself. Gareth
(10:43):
goes on to say Amy was on antidepressants and many
of her family members, such as her aunt and uncle,
tried to kill themselves, which we're reliably informed is absolutely
not true. During the inquest, counsel assisting the coroner, Sarah Tyler,
(11:06):
seeks to find the origin of these false claims.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Was it Amy that told you that?
Speaker 9 (11:13):
No, it wasn't. I think it was Simo.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And that's the only time that you can think of
that Amy has ever talked about hurting herself or depression or.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
It was it was that day with Rachel, Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And Rachel had actually spent the previous night at Amy
and simmons place.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
We just stayed in the shed because there was another
room in there.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He says he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary
with Amy. Then the next morning, Gareth heads to work
and when he returns, Amy is not home yet. When
she does come home, she and Simmons argue.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Do you remember what started the argument?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I think it was because Simo was just no. She
hated his drinking, like she just didn't like him drinking.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
They also argue about him having lost his phone and
Amy wanting to look at Josh Brydon's phone instead. Gareth
goes off on a bit of a tangent at this point.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And I'm like, yes, whatever, all right, I'm like, yes,
I just knocked off work, like let's just do something.
They had guns out we were shooting some birds and
we had yes out there shooting birds and stuff like that.
Simo nailed at twenty two with that sorry at twenty seven,
one of the parrots with a bloody.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The deputy coroner interjects.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Twenty eight. I think they're.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Called twenty that's the one twenty eight with the rifle
like that and bloody then, yes, that was before Amy
got there then, because we got all the guns there,
because we wanted to have it be like just a
big shooting, like let's shoot at Clay targets in the
whole lot, like, let's go shooting.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Mss Tyler directs Gareth back to the argument between Simmons
and Amy.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Amy just punched straight in the head twice and head
butted him straight up, and then got a mirror and
went to hit him with a mirror, and Simo who's
got her by both arms and placed her to the
floor and said cut it out.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Like that?
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah, where was this?
Speaker 9 (13:02):
This was in the hallway kitchen, Like.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Do you remember getting up and grabbing the mirror?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yes, I got up, and I'm pretty sure I put
it back in the spot where she bloody took it from.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Okay, why did you do that?
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Because that's where it belongs, on the bloody wall, not
on the ground.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
All right.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Were they still on the ground at that point?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I said cut it all out. You're being bloody stupid.
What are you fighting for?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Did they listen?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
They both got up. Then she just started packing the
car up.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
What was Amy like at that point? Was she angry.
Was she sad?
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Yes, she was crying. I said, do you want some help?
And she said like no.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
He says. After that, Amy flips the lizard tank up
and he helped Josh catch the lizards while Amy packed
the car and Simmons talked to the kids.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Do you know how many trips Amy would have done?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
She done a fair few, about maybe three trips, I reckon,
I counted for about three trips, and she yes. Because
I opened the door for her, I said, do you
want another hand?
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Are you right?
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And you can't remember exactly what she packed into the car.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, No, she was packing her kid's cloth, her clothes.
She was packing the stuff into the car into the boot.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Was she running back and forth or walking?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Or she was like powe walking. I guess you know,
when you're angering you just you just storm off.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Seemed to be in a hurry.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
Yes, just packing her stuff and going to get out
of there.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Yes, what happened after that? So she's in the house.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Yes, we heard a thud and then I said, what's
she breaking now? And bloody? And then I smelt it.
It was gunpowder.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Gareth says at this point, he's outside having a smoke
and Simmons is with the kids.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Then he's come through the gate, gone inside. I heard
a thud and he just came running straight out, punching
the shed and he like just broke down and just
I'm like, as he's run past me, like what's wrong?
He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Bro?
Speaker 9 (14:45):
He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The deputy coroner tries to ascertain where Gareth is when
Simmons goes inside.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
So you had followed him into the house, yes, I
was right behind him, like pretty much.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
And then he runs back past you out of the house.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, started punching into the shed and just starts crying
and screaming and stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Do you know how long David would have been inside
without you?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shit?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Probably like seconds. It would have been seconds you were
right behind him, yes, seconds like this time.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Gareth says, the gun was pretty much positioned between her legs.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
The rifle was on her. She was like she was
only a little, small, little lady like woman. Well, I
walked in there and I was like, yes, rip the
gun off, and then just covered her face up, then
went back out and Simo said what do we do?
Speaker 9 (15:31):
What do we do? And I was like, bro, we've
got to call somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Gareth has asked if he noticed the missing door handle.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Yes, actually no, not until like after you just told me.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
When I walked in there, I left the bloody I
left it open, yes, because like when I walked in,
I just like ram the door, and I suppose that's
how her body moves.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
So you used a bit of force, did you.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Because it was stuck. I couldn't get in. I was
like just fully opened.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It was that the first or second time you went in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
First time I went in there, and I've just like
get in there, like I've just pushed it straight open.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So after David had run out, you were obviously right
behind him to go in. Yes, you didn't realize at
that point she had shot herself.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
No, I thought she was breaking something. But as soon
as he said is she alive?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That's when I didn't say that to you before he
went in.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
No, he goes as he was coming like what can
you do? All right, I'll see what I can do.
Can't move. I just went in there and bloody, like,
holy shit, I can't help you.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Neither had a phone. Gareth says he went back into
Amy and patted her down for her phone.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
So when you patted her down looking for her phone.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
You didn't find the phone.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Do you think you would have moved her leg or anything?
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Well, no, I just checked her pockets.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You pat checked, yes, because well we needed to call somebody,
all right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Gareth is asked about why they didn't go to the
big house to use the phone there. He says Simmons
told him his dad was out.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
David wouldn't have a key, no, he reckons, he's a
little Yes, yes, no, he doesn't have a key. I
don't think he had a key. He might know where
he stashed it or something, but I don't know why
he didn't go up to the top of the house.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So they go to the service station to make the
triple zero call. Gareth is with Simmons when he makes
that call. The coroner refers to a second call made
by Simmons.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Do you know who he called?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well, no, because I went because after he spoke to
the got a hold of the coppers.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
I just went back into the car, did you Yes.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Because we know from the service station owner that David
asked if he could use the phone another time, and
he said yes, And David then went out the front
and called someone and I'm sure that the service station
owner said that you were with him when he did that.
You can't remember.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
No, I don't remember that the second person he called.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
There is mention in one of your interviews about David
trying to call his dad. Do you remember anything about that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, he might have called him, Yes, he might have
called Bert, Yes, because I know he didn't.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I'm pretty sure he didn't speak to him.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
When I was on the phone with him, hear him
talk to his dad.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
No, I was like, pretty looking too busy, Just zone
it out.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Gareth Is then questioned about evidence provided by Nea, who
was six at the time and talked to a child
interviewer about the event shortly after.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Her memory is not too good of what occurred, but
she did mention something about us stop at the rubbish bins.
Do you know what that's about. No, he didn't stop
at any rubbish bins anywhere.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
No.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Nea also mentioned something about David using a gun to
shoot at a bird while they were waiting in the
car or a tree.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Can you tell me what you remember about that and
shot it? Can you tell me what time that was?
Speaker 9 (18:44):
No, I know it was the afternoon.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
With the kids in the car.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
At this point, yes, when he shot the bird, Yes, yes,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Because of Neya's age at the time, not much weight
was given to this evidence. Gareth proceeds to provide more
details about the discussion he had with Robert or Bert
as he calls him at the front gate. After seeing
Amy's dead body for the first time.
Speaker 9 (19:10):
He goes, what's going on? Did Simo do it?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
So?
Speaker 9 (19:13):
He said that, yes, straight up. He goes, did Simo
do it? I was like, no, bro, no, no, no,
and bloody, where did he go? I said, he's taking
the kids to Nancy's, dropping them off to their nanas.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
So at that point, as far as you know, had
Bert already gone inside the house?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yes, he goes, because I said, I think she shot
Amy shot herself. And he goes, I've already seen that,
And he goes, did he cover her up?
Speaker 9 (19:36):
I said no, I covered her face up.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Do you remember Bert saying something about unloading the gun?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He when I was actually talking the other day when
I was here on Tuesday or Monday when I was yeah, Tuesday,
when I was here, But he said there was two
guns there, bloody, the twelve gage shot gun was already loaded.
You were saying, oh, I heard you were talking about
that was on Tuesday, and that was the first time
I actually heard that, and that was that day. So no,
(20:01):
I didn't know about the other gun.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Okay, there was just a few different guns in the bedroom,
that's all.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Yes, because we're going out shooting.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Did Bert leave while you were waiting at the front gate? Yes,
but you don't know where Bert went or what he
was doing.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Gareth then talks about the ambulance and police turning up,
followed by Nancy and Simmons. He says Nancy was accusing
Simmons of killing Amy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's worth noting that at this point the detectives haven't arrived,
they didn't hear Nancy shouting at David Simmons, and they
weren't interested in hearing about the circumstances of Amy's life
while they were there. Nancy wasn't questioned until major crime
became involved, after Amy's death was determined as suicide and
forensics were called off. Also at the inquest, Gareth was
(20:51):
asked to clarify some of the discrepancies, starting with the tawl.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
You say in the statement it was morone or red
in color. Well, the photo seem to show it's blue blue,
but I know that boys aren't always great with colors.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Is it possible?
Speaker 10 (21:05):
I'm assuming it's the same towel that someone hasn't switched
a red towel and put in a blue Would that
be fair?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
No?
Speaker 9 (21:11):
What how I put on her? That's the tow I
put on her.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Hey Council, representing the family. Peter Ward asked about a jacket,
as that's what.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Robert recalls a jacket. Yes, I've heard that. Yes, it
is definitely a towel.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Despite being questioned extensively, many of Gareth's answers were still
quite vague.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You must be Gareth Price. How are you? Gareth?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Now back to Liam's interview with Gareth.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
We're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
us please, Yes, depends, okay on what and what was
the question.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
You want to ask?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, we just want to find out the truth about
what happened that day, Gareth.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Oh, okay. Have you usually got the statements and the
reports about it?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Have you? I've read the stuff that you you said
in the coroner's court.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah, and I've read the rubbish.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No, you're right mate, You're right.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
At this point, Gareth is picking up bits of paper
on the ground.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I've read the stuff that you you said to the police,
but there are still, as you know, there are still
huge question marks about the actual result, you know, because
the coroner said it was an open finding.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, I reckon those every few years. It's got to
be brought back up in four years or something, and
that's what I say.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, it's still an open case as far as the
police are concerned.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, so you know there's a million dollar reward for information.
Yeah whatever, do you intend to take advantage of that?
What for for yourself?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It's a suicide?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you think it was a suicide?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Exactly was?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So in David, David Simmons, you're your friend. Did he
have anything to do with it? Gareth, Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I it was it was side. She shot herself. That's
what happened there, really, no, she did there with fourteen
shot gun. She blew her head off her shoulders.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Gareth is re enacting what Amy looked like when he
found her and indicates the shotgun was pointing up under
her chin.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there, Gareth it wasn't like that.
It was on the side of the head. You should
know that if you've been living it for the past
ten years. So you've got that one wrong. Is there
anything else you've got wrong over the years?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I'm a literate. I can't ready which he sounded a right, yeah, sweets.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
These players leave?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You want us to leave? Now? Why? Why are you
uncomfortable talking about it?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
You want to chat?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Why? Cup coffee?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Some biscuits the coffee?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm just way out of the house,
a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well will you talk to us more?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Well, what do you want to know?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'll tell you I'm dating into wanting here.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, Gareth, all I want to know is the truth.
That's all I want to know. Because you know her
family have been absolutely destroyed by this, and you would
be too if it was your partner or your daughter
or your wife.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I understand that, sir, And it's.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Just a it's a shocking, shocking way to go.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You've used people, got a lot of people in high
places that saw a lot of stuff out, and they've
been doing their tests and there all their reshirts and
I know they've done all of what they've done.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So they haven't done it properly, and you know that's
their fault. But you can help them. You can help us.
I'm helping you, but you can help usk by telling
the truth.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Is the truth, sir, It is the truth.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Who was first in that bedroom? Was it David or you?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You asked what was that? Bane?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Is likely? So what's that noise there? You read the statements,
but he's all read statements.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
When that, when that kind of stuff happens, you don't.
No one does understand. As bad as shocking, as bad
as it is, it's not good to see your best
face missing your head, blowing off shoulders, and there's not
a good.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Thing to see.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It is shocking.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I actually walked in there, the gun off a lap
and put a tower over where her face was made.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So the gun was on a lap, it was off
her lap.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I did. I told her. I told her all the
copper is this, all the sergeants and everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I told him all.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
But how would it be on a lap if the
recoiled from the shotgun was that way?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Excuse me, sir, Have you seen the picture? Have you
seen the drawing? Actually drew up a picture. Actually you've
seen in the house the house of Look, I'll show
you that will take you there exactly where it was
if he wants to. That's what I'm talking about. Was
right there, like in the corner of the room. I
pushed the door open and all I've seen in the
body was on the floor.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Mate, Why did you move the gun? Well?
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I didn't want to see my best mod's friend with
her without her face blowing off.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But David said he saw it first.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He was he is, is ye alive?
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Seems you're alive.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I haven't a sp I know now I'm like, oh, ship,
what do you what? We use it to that if
you just walking something? Well what we used to like?
What would you even in a situation? What would you people?
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sir? It would be very confirmed.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
What would you do in that situation? You please tell
me what would you do if that happened to you?
If your situation?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What would you do?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Please tell me?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's a great question because it would be a terrible,
terrible situation.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Please I elaborate.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Would you like tell me to but Gareth? But Gareth?
After that? After that? Why did you take the wheely
bin down to the end of the road and what
was in that ben?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I don't know, sir, I didn't take it. Who've been
down to the road?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think you were seeing taking the bin down? No,
I did not Who who took the bend down there?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I don't know, sir.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So did you go?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I actually waited at the bottom of the hill. I
actually waited the bottom mills.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Sir, you went, You went with him to the roadhouse.
Didn't you to make the crow?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yes, we did. We both both the girls in the gata.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And did you get to the shop before that or
after that?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Actually he took the girls back to north, then took
the girls wait at the bottom of the hill. Then
Bert come down and drive away. He goes, where is
such and such? I said, his buddy taking the girls
to Nancy. True, taking him to Nancy, And probably maybe
half an hour later someone that they came rocking up
as she was Sergeant Comfortable Larry. I don't I don't
(27:24):
know whose offside it was. It was kind of Sargeant
Larry's and somebody else is there. But first the same
was their ambulance. There was two of them. I said,
we need the body bags.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
She's dead.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Like we might judge it that with no problems, go
for it. So I started at the bottom of the hill. Ye,
And how was that?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So? So you just said to the policeman she's dead.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And then and the first is the ambulance driver, sorry,
the ambulance drivers, because that was no, she's dead, mate,
we might judge that. I'm not where were her face
was a gargling the bubbles of blood where her face was?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I I don't know, honestly, that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
There.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Did you ever see your mate David be violent towards her?
Speaker 8 (28:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Actually nah, because.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
But everybody gets come on, No, what are you trying
to get get out of when you're trying to says
different things?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But no, I just want you to tell the truth
and not not protect just protect your mate.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Take my mate. I am he's dead, sir, I am,
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And now I wouldn't protecting if you don't know, I wouldn't.
That's say that's a different thing. Would ever say I
didn't do it? I didn't do just whatever, mate, Sorry,
I'll get a bit. It's a hard subject to talk about, it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Is, and I appreciate you answering some questions. It's good
of you. So what do I go for?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Forget help? Because this is pretty understort on me as well.
This is hard point.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
It's hard to live with one of my wife because
I don't know even how to go forwards after this,
you know, So.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
What do I do about this?
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Do you need counseling?
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Do you think we went to gownsling everything? Oh well,
we can't really help you be able to give allways,
all the scripture, medication and whatnot, just to give you whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
You'll be right.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I don't know saying something best but the head blowing off?
No one will say that, sir.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Did David tell you why the doorknob to that bedroom
was missing on the inside?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Very strange, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, ship that's opening with ten years ago? Now, how
long has it been?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's almost ten years?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, so it's over ten years a long time now.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You don't forget those sorts of things stuff?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Well, no, you don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, it's pretty fall on half he's had a good.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Day or pretty hard to get around it, isn't it.
But yeah, yeah, we're just as you can imagine we're
just trying to help the investigation and try to find
the truth. Yeah, I understand that, and so you're obviously
large part of that because you know you're a key
to the whole story.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So have you ever thought about taking up that one
million dollar reward and telling telling police, going back to
police and telling them exactly what happened?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
No, because the truth of the truth, Sir, the truth,
the truth and always comes out.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And I made a lot. He does and he's all
know that.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
He's only the truth comes out.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
We would like it or not.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It does, it will eventually, it does it, and I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I'm actually I'm going to be there when it does, honestly,
because I'm pointing back at yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I told you so, Gareth. Why would a young mum
like Amy? You knew Amy?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I actually do not have what will still?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, she probably considered you a friend.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Actually, good mate. They actually they give me accommodation when
when I can't even afford to pay my own power
stuff like So she treated you well, Amy and Simo
both they both David Sims and Amy, they both treated
us both both populy ate, really good.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Give was someone to stay.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
He always looked after us and were at fishing camp
and hunt like, you know, just having fun, living life together.
We hunting campen living, that's what you do together, mate.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So the least you can do is honor her graciousness
by telling your truth. So, how does a young mum
with two little girls that she loved is allegedly allegedly
come on?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
She shot herself? She shot herself thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
How does a young mum like that leave two of
them in a car running with their bags packed to
go to her mother's house. She goes into the house
to get some more things, Your mate, David Simmons, goes
back into the house. Next thing, she's found dead from
a shotgun blast? How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Twelve? Gage?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I poured ten?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Yeah, Well you tell me, you're you know, you tell
me because you were right there. Yeah, I told you,
But you're not believing me, sir. I'm telling you everything
I know, You're not still believing me. So I don't
know what more he is on me to say, is.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do you reckon? If the forensics had it turned up
that night, if the detectives had have done their job.
Do you reckon? There'd be a different answer, sir?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Can you answer the question yourself?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Do you think there'd be a different answer if the
forensics did their job.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
No, it wouldn't have been a different answer, sir, one
hundred percent. No, it wouldn't have been as I know.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That for a fact.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
What do you think David's own father told the ambulance
operator he thought he son did it.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Because he's a map.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
No, he didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
He didn't do it. Sorry, yeah, did ask me to you? Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
I wanted to. I wanted the punish of men thinking
in the first place. Mate, Because now, because Simili is
a good buddy man, he is a good man, he
wouldn't have done in the first place. But I know
that for one hundred he wouldn't have done it. I'm
telling you sorry, he would have done it. He would
not have done it.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What do you mean he's a good man. He's assaulted
the police officer. I spent nine months in jail for it.
He's not a good man.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
No, he's on drugs.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Made people drugs set people in. Drugs are dumb, mate,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, he might have been on drugs that day.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
No, Well, no, he wasn't. I don't know. We had
a few beers, mate, We had a few beers.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Honestly, how many he's a few games?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, I don't know. When you go over the mates,
did you catch your beers?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You were with him all day?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I want to work.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
How many beers I went to work?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I wouldn't, actually, I know I wouldn't, Big Pavement.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I was working three jobs, mate.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I was living in jail at album, I was working
night shift the Cannon, Bubble Marcus Bony and Mute at
night time. And I was on Big pavment during the days.
So a boddy paying my rent, mate, right, that's what's
going on. That's what's having a mate. And because my
body egg sorry mate, ship, I was working tho jobs mate,
you know what I mean. And he was working. He
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was working with his dad and stuff like, and both
all the kids were hanging out to get no one
big family mate.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They will be worried. But obviously she's But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
She must have got angry about something, mate.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
She could have shot us all mate, but she didn't.
She shot herself.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh, come on, she done it. She didn't even like shooting,
you know that?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Liam is referring to the evidence provided by Brydon. We'll
hear from him next episode.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
David bought it. The fourteen was hers and the twenty
two pick one was her gun. She had two guns, mate,
she had two guns.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
She loves shooting.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
She loves skinning stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Mate.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
She loved or she loved hunting, pigs love camp I
love fish and mate.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
She did.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
She loved all that honestly, she loved all that stuff. Mate.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh yeah, Gareth, two biomechanical experts, Yeah, both told the
corner's court that the evidence was that someone else shot her.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Yeah, I heard this too. I actually did hear this
as well.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But she's only a small woman.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The evidence proves what it's proven, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, the evidence is that she had a right hand
under a bottom.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Were you there, sir? Did you say the body? Were
you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What are you saying that's wrong?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Were you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Are you saying that's right?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Were you there?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Did you say the body where it was?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Did you see her, her reathless corpse in the in
the corner?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Did you say it?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
You didn't, did you There's a big day to day, But.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, I then flat out, Yeah, trying to make it
live in the staffe and just a lot's going on,
and this is a lot happening.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, I'm glad you're busy. Glad you're busy. Yeah, I
got to So who was first in that room? You were, David?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Honestly true?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I said, what was that fun?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
The next minute he went walking and he's opened the
door and he came running out start of funding into
this shed as you come around?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Is he alive?
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Is she?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Is?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
She alive? And I walked in there and I had
to gin the door open.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Next minute I was saying, her sets like a corner right, yeah,
corner of the last see sure that mate? And she
was on the floor obviously here on the lab. Mate.
Oh yeah, I said it was my I was a
bud coming out of a blue mate. I don't know
what more you're gonna say, but that's what that's what
it was. I don't know's I'm getting old?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Hed? Sorry, are you on drugs now, Gareth?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Actually no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Uh had a couple of beers today. Yeah, she held
me intoxicated. You are drunk now, yes, I am, Uh
that is I am compisicated.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I didn't mean having a crack at anything else of it. Ah, Nah,
something a bit harder. Nah, you sure, I'm sure you
seem pretty agitated.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Uh hortative on my day date.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
So mutually diagnosedes that that's this is what I'm so
always antsy and health is shitty and stuff. Even asked
my doctors if you want to.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Believe me, I'm taking you on your word. You haven't
got the shakes and the dis from having too many pipes.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Okay, so you're comfortable. You're comfortable that you're gonna have
to live with that as well.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
We'll actually, we all got to live with this, sir.
We actually, we will have to live with this.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It's got just to ask who actually to deal with it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
That's all the friends of her other side of the family,
the daughters, they're the one who made a suffer in
the most because they lost the mom and anybody dad,
because because that made Simo lost yourself. But he's not
he's not such same, he's not the same. Mate, he's
gone since Mate, our Thames and that mates, simples. I
don't know if you know similar and be able to
(37:56):
give back to the reality again. Mate, that's on the
story similar. Hey, I don't know what I know. I'm
gonna work and I've got to support from my family
and that's what I've got to do. Mate, This is
what I think. I am still going forwards. That's what
you gotta do. Mate.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Well, you know some people, some people might think that
your mate is a very lucky man.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Oh yeah, there this nine seven or ABC or ten
seven seven.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, spotlight, spot Light and we're gonna have a podcast
as well, Gareth. Oh here no around Australia. Oh yeah,
Well it's good of you to at least front up
and have a chat to us. So I appreciate that.
Do you have trouble sleeping at night?
Speaker 6 (38:44):
My life good, wife is good?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Life is good.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Well, if you're above the ground is good, isn't it
if you're not not like if you're not you know
or something, I don't know, you not like Amy? I know?
Well there, yeah, but you can't help everyone to theirselves. Actually,
we're all I love in the world for her. But no,
(39:11):
I wouldn't even go to a funeral getting an invited
to a ferneral But so I understand that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well A Kurna said it could also be homicide. So
that's what an open finding is. They can't work out
whether it's suicidal homicide.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Was the homicide?
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
What's a homicide?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's a murder, Gareth. Well, you know, if you if
you are protecting your mate, it's a pretty low thing
to do.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
When you special speak and you're asking the same question
about me as well. Late, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Right, ask you the same question you ask. I'm happy
to ask.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Eventually you will pop up.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
This is true because a few days after this interview
with Gareth, David Simmons is due to front court again,
charged once again with assaulting a public officer. You'll hear
that interview in a future episode.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
He made him actually at a bit of a disagreement.
She was living me for a little while. Yeah, and
you know, just negative, negative energy doesn't go well. I
don't like negative energy. It's not good for anybody. Leave nicely.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, So you're not mates anymore.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We're still amaze.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I've got one hundred Yeah, he's my brother and whatever.
But he didn't kill Amy. He did not shoot Amy.
She shot herself one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty incredible, though, isn't it. You want
me to believe that it is free story. So you
want me to believe that a mom puts her kids
in the car to take them to her mum's place
to escape the partner's behavior, which is pretty which is
pretty average. Excuse me, I'm wait for it, wait for it.
I'm painting your picture. And you know better than anyone,
because you were there that day. And then she says
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to the kids, just hang on a second, because I
just got to get my makeup and a few bits
and pieces. And she goes back in the bedroom, and
then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, she's dead.
In the meantime, your mate goes back inside the house.
It's a sort of strange coincidence, isn't it. Oh so
instead of coming back to the car, which is running
(41:22):
to take her own children, and.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
You all open the door for us, we look at hand.
We lost for help, Amy, what was this last pisonde?
Open the door for her? I opened the door for
she's getting Yeah, she'll just come out with bags and
clothes and chuck them in the boot of the car.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
She was, Yeah, it took them loads of clothes because
she wanted to go go it.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah, well, no one stop is doll cars the Semos
plays don't drive stupid because it's a steep it's a
steep driveway and.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
You might look and crashing or something did stop her,
didn't She don't stop herself. So yeah, so she just
happened to go back inside. Yeah no, and commits suicide.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Yes, sir, it was a fourteenth bunch of darting at
her self. At his honest truth, what was the fourteenth
shot gun?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
It's about as believable as me going around the back
of your place now and finding fairies at the bottom
of your pick.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Oh you perform a fairy Tell me about it?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Huh. I just want you to tell the truth. You know,
it's about time you told the truth.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I told the truth.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Set.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
When you watch Gareth during this interview, he appears to
believe what he's saying. He believes his mate, but that
doesn't mean he's right. Gareth also says Simo and Amy
had a great relationship despite witnessing their very violent fight.
Like everyone else connected to Amy's death, he's visibly haunted
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by what happened that night.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's pretty clear that this has affected you as well.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Hey it is, Yeah, it has really I.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Mean you you are, you know, genuinely upset about it?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I am actually genuinely upset. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's a problem with these things, isn't it. When these
stories sort of go off the rails, they affect everybody involved.
And I guess the only resolution is if we can
somehow get to the truth.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Is spot on, And I think we're doing all the
best part with what we can do and just trying
to get down the bottom. And that's what I want
to and that's what I hope before they get to
and I will actually like at the end one day.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
But apparently I.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Heard like every four years and this can be an
interquesting or something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And I don't think that's right. But the police investigation
is open, so I hopefully they can whenever they can
do extra things.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Because I heard because they have so mans and and
they don't have so many charge like so many terms
for them trying to prove it or something like, because
it actually does get quiet much, you know, so how
many more times do you reckon mis be the rest
of my life? We can go on an investigation, Miller
until it gets sort of like, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Well, unless they find new information to it happens new evidence,
and yeah it sounds good. Yeah, I mean I mean
who knows. I mean you might be able to help
or or you or you might be part of the problem.
I mean you might get arrested again.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Oh yeah, you see when it happens.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So how many times you've been arrested twice?
Speaker 4 (44:14):
You probably get my record on the paper there. I
haven't got out.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I'm asking you to be honest.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Honestly, I don't really know. I've been arrested.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
For being complicit for aiding in a bedding. Bedding Well
what they thought suspected at the time. Oh well no,
what was murdered?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
No, only being locked up? Well I've had a motivated
a bush one time.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, I'm talking about Amy.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Oh yeah that was the forty eight hours. Yeah, they've
got to do their job. Is you going to do
a job. I understand that I ain't gonna.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Sweet as do your job. It's all good, no problem here. Yeah,
I've got nothing, so buddy, yeah, broblems take care.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Thanks for having a chat.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
FI.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
As you've heard in this podcast, Larry Blandford reckons Gareth
was schooled in his answers.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
But now when you look at it, it's actually really sad.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Allison shows him the interview I did with Gareth and
this is what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, well, Gareth, I believe is a sucked in victim's
You know, he's taken a stand which.
Speaker 8 (45:23):
Has been in the jar before and he seems to
be in that world right, So.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Yeah, well he shouldn't be that because he's.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Not that bad a bloke.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Larry says, Gareth has wasted his life.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Do you see that much with people? Or is Gareth
kind of the saddest case?
Speaker 5 (45:39):
I think for what for what I've seen on your laptop,
he would be Yeah, for sure. Now I haven't seen
him for a few years, but it's not pleasant for
what he's gone through and he's taken a hard stand
on it.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Is it a case that you think this is really
affected him as well?
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Oh, the whole incident has definitely affected him. It's probably
affected his whole family.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Well, when someone's down, well everybody around him is not.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
He's not jumping for joy, are they?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
No, he didn't fuck it, He didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
After ten years, Gareth appears convinced he's right about his mate.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Almost no, because Simi is a good buddy man.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
He is a good man. He wouldn't have done in
the first place. But I know that for one hundred
percent he wouldn't have done it. I'm telling you, sorry, no,
he would have done it. He wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Big enough to do that. Family need to let it
go next week, Joshua Brighton.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I don't need to keep going through this ship Keith
Betting through that day mm hmm Lisser c so detion.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
We both know for now.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
You mek.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
T.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
We also warn listeners that this episode contains graphic content.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
A twenty four year old devoted mother of two fleeing
a violent relationship as a mom bags packed car running,
her daughters strapped into the backseat.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Mom told me that she needed to go back inside
to grab something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Panic.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Amy is dead, Sir amys dead?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Eight confusion About five minutes they said, no, it's a suicide.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
One hundred percent. This is Emergercy.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What do you think is really the honest truth about Amy?
Speaker 7 (01:11):
The Truth about Amy?
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Episode five.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm Liam Bartlett.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And I'm Alison Sandy.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Can I mate? Here are going You must be Gareth Price?
How are you? Gareth? It's going on, Liam Bartlett L
seven new Spotlight.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah good, it's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We're in Oldbury, not far from Serpentine, at a small
white farmhouse set back about ten meters from the main road.
Parked in front of the double car garage is Gareth's
white ut looking a bit disheveled in a gray sleeveless
shirt and tracksuit pants.
Speaker 8 (02:07):
His hair is a.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Rye and his hands dirt stained. We know he's been
out with Josh Bryden for most of the day before
arriving home. Bridon was also there the day Amy died,
but says he left before it happened. Gareth appears a
bit erratic and hyperactive, not unlike Anna described him to
be at the inquest, and strides up to Liam, who
(02:30):
has his hand out, which he shakes firmly.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, we're just doing a story about Amy Wensley. Yeah,
we're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
us please.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Gareth's face is a grimace. He's the same age Amy
would have been had she lived thirty four, exactly the
same age. They were born the same day, both six
years younger than David Simmons. This isn't Gareth's first rodeo.
(03:03):
He's been interviewed by police many times, not just about this,
but other crimes. His rap sheet is long and includes
some serious offenses such as assault, occasioning bodily harm in
twenty eleven, along with damaging property, driving without a license,
unlawfully discharging a firearm and stealing a motor vehicle in
(03:25):
twenty seventeen. More recently, he appeared in court for common assault.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Do you think it was a suicide that he was?
Speaker 6 (03:32):
I was there.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Will return to his interview with Liam later, but firstly,
here's some background. Gareth Edward toll Price was born eleventh
of February nineteen ninety. His friendship with Simmons came about
through their mutual love of hunting. He says they met
through his younger brother, Richard. Gareth can't remember the exact time,
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but it was around the time Kay was born and
when he was still married to Chill mckerny, who became
friends with Amy. At the inquest, Gareth said he never
witnessed any violence between Simmons and Amy until the day
she died.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
But before we get to that, let's return to the
night of twenty sixth of June twenty fourteen and the
statement that Gareth made to police. We'll start with the
moment the car was packed and the kids were in
the back seat and Amy went back inside.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Simo then started the car so the heater was on
for the kids. Simo shouted to Amy. The kids said
hurry up, they want to go to Nana's. Amy shouted
back something like wait a minute. I then heard a
loud crack. I looked at Simo and said, what's she
breaking now. Simo turned off the car and walks into
the house. I followed him in and he opened the
door of the bedroom. Before I could get to the bedroom,
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Simo began screaming, oh fuck, oh fuck. He rang past
me outside of the house. I could smell gunpowder as
I walked through the bedroom. Amy was behind the door.
In the corner of the room. There was a four
to ten shotgun resting on her leg. I grabbed hold
of the gun with my right hand and flicked it
back out of the way.
Speaker 9 (05:14):
I don't know why I did that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
I grabbed hold of a towel from the floor and
threw it over Amy's head. I then went outside to
where Simo was on the patio, still freaking out. Neither
of us had a phone, so I jumped in the
car with Simo and drove up the road to the servo.
Speaker 9 (05:28):
To ring for the ambulance and police. We then went
back to the house.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Simo dropped me off and took the kids to Pinjara,
where their Nana lives.
Speaker 9 (05:36):
I waited by the gates. I didn't go back up
to the house.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
About fifteen minutes later, Simo's dad came down and said,
what's going on. I said, she shot herself. He said, yeah,
I see that. Who's put a towel on her head?
I said I did. He then asked who moved the gun.
I said I did. He said, I've unloaded it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
On August six, fourteen, just a little over a month later,
Gareth provides another statement to wa police. We pick up
at the same time as before.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Amy was not saying anything while putting stuff in the car.
I could tell she was angry, and I know that
she was crying. I saw Amy make about four trips
backwards and forwards putting things in the car.
Speaker 9 (06:21):
The kids were asking if they could stay with Simo.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Price says he then saw Simo take Neya inside, where
he spoke to Amy.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
He was only inside for a short time before coming
back out, maybe thirty seconds. He told the girls they
have to go with Amy. Simo put the girls in
the car. Simo also put some teddies in the car
for the girls. Simo yelled out to Amy while she
was inside to hurry up.
Speaker 9 (06:47):
Amy yelled back something like just give me a minute.
Josh had left by this point, he had to go.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
About the time Simo put the teddies in the car,
Simo was kneeling down at the car talking to the kids.
Simo started the car to put the heater on as
the kids were cold. Music was on in the car also.
I can't recall what the music was. It may have
been the radio. I then heard a crack, like a thud.
It sounded like someone breaking something. Simo started walking toward
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the gate that leads to the door to Endo the house.
Speaker 9 (07:18):
I was behind Simo.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
As I got to the door, Simo came running out,
saying fuck, fuck, fuck, with his hands up to his face.
I went inside and I could smell gunpowder. I went
to Simo's bedroom and pushed the door open. It was
kind of stuck. Amy was behind the door. I went
in the room and flung the gun away from Amy.
I touched the gun down near the butt. The gun
(07:41):
was on Amy with the barrel pointing up toward her head,
the butt near her foot on the floor. The gun
was a four to ten side by side shotgun. It's
Simo's gun. We used that gun to shoot rabbits. All
the boys use it. I used a couple of weeks ago.
I've seen Simo use that gun. I've seen Amy use
it as well. Amy was making some noises. She was
(08:02):
sitting up against the wall. I could see blood on
the wall, and Amy looked to have been shot in
the head. I saw a towel on the floor in
the bedroom. I grabbed the towel and threw it onto
Amy's head. I think the towel was a marone or
red color, and it was a bath towel size. I
went out and said to Simo, we got to call someone.
I went back in and got a mobile phone from
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Simo's bedroom that was up in the cupboard. Simo told
me that the phone doesn't work. I said, let's go
to your dad's house. Simo said, Dad's not fucking home.
I said, let's go to the servo. We got to
call somebody. We jumped in the Commodore. The kids were
still in the back. Simo was in the driver's seat
and I was the front passenger. The kids were asking
where's mum. Cimo told him she was sleeping. We drove
(08:49):
to the servo. Simo drove there fast. It normally takes
about ten minutes to get there. This time it took
about four minutes. We didn't go anywhere else. We drove
straight to the servo. We didn't say much on the
way to the servo. What could you say? Simo called
Triple zero and got an ambulance. He used the landline phone.
I told Simo to tell them that your missus shot
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herself in the head. Simo told them that on the phone.
After that, Simo tried to call his dad a couple
of times, but he couldn't get through to him. We're
at servo for about ten to fifteen minutes. We left
the servo and drove back to Simo's place. Simo dropped
me off on Southwest Highway at the front of his place.
(09:31):
On the way back, the only thing Simo said was
that Amy was a gutless piece of shit and why
would she do it.
Speaker 9 (09:37):
I think Simo was in a bit of shock.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Really.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I waited there on the side of the road to
direct the ambulance. Simo left and took the kids to
Pinjarra to Amy's mum's house. I was out in the
front for ages. I don't know how many minutes, maybe
twenty Simo's dad came down and asked me what happened.
I said, she's dead, mate, she shot herself.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
The rest of the conversation is very similar to the
previous statement. Four years later, cold case detectives again come
knocking and Gareth makes another statement, but unfortunately we don't
have a copy of that. He was also questioned vigorously
(10:21):
at the coronial inquest in twenty twenty one. One point
raised by Gareth then that he doesn't seem to mention elsewhere,
were claims that his wife, Rachel, told him that Amy
asked her if she'd ever thought of killing herself. Gareth
(10:43):
goes on to say Amy was on antidepressants and many
of her family members, such as her aunt and uncle,
tried to kill themselves, which we're reliably informed is absolutely
not true. During the inquest, counsel assisting the coroner, Sarah Tyler,
(11:06):
seeks to find the origin of these false claims.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Was it Amy that told you that?
Speaker 9 (11:13):
No, it wasn't. I think it was Simo.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And that's the only time that you can think of
that Amy has ever talked about hurting herself or depression or.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
It was it was that day with Rachel, Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And Rachel had actually spent the previous night at Amy
and simmons place.
Speaker 9 (11:28):
We just stayed in the shed because there was another
room in there.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
He says he didn't notice anything out of the ordinary
with Amy. Then the next morning, Gareth heads to work
and when he returns, Amy is not home yet. When
she does come home, she and Simmons argue.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Do you remember what started the argument?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I think it was because Simo was just no. She
hated his drinking, like she just didn't like him drinking.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
They also argue about him having lost his phone and
Amy wanting to look at Josh Brydon's phone instead. Gareth
goes off on a bit of a tangent at this point.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And I'm like, yes, whatever, all right, I'm like, yes,
I just knocked off work, like let's just do something.
They had guns out we were shooting some birds and
we had yes out there shooting birds and stuff like that.
Simo nailed at twenty two with that sorry at twenty seven,
one of the parrots with a bloody.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
The deputy coroner interjects.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Twenty eight. I think they're.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Called twenty that's the one twenty eight with the rifle
like that and bloody then, yes, that was before Amy
got there then, because we got all the guns there,
because we wanted to have it be like just a
big shooting, like let's shoot at Clay targets in the
whole lot, like, let's go shooting.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Mss Tyler directs Gareth back to the argument between Simmons
and Amy.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Amy just punched straight in the head twice and head
butted him straight up, and then got a mirror and
went to hit him with a mirror, and Simo who's
got her by both arms and placed her to the
floor and said cut it out.
Speaker 9 (12:59):
Enough is enough?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Like that?
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Yeah, where was this?
Speaker 9 (13:02):
This was in the hallway kitchen, Like.
Speaker 7 (13:04):
Do you remember getting up and grabbing the mirror?
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yes, I got up, and I'm pretty sure I put
it back in the spot where she bloody took it from.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
Okay, why did you do that?
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Because that's where it belongs, on the bloody wall, not
on the ground.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
All right.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Were they still on the ground at that point?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I said cut it all out. You're being bloody stupid.
What are you fighting for?
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Did they listen?
Speaker 9 (13:21):
They both got up. Then she just started packing the
car up.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
What was Amy like at that point? Was she angry.
Was she sad?
Speaker 9 (13:26):
Yes, she was crying. I said, do you want some help?
And she said like no.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
He says. After that, Amy flips the lizard tank up
and he helped Josh catch the lizards while Amy packed
the car and Simmons talked to the kids.
Speaker 7 (13:43):
Do you know how many trips Amy would have done?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
She done a fair few, about maybe three trips, I reckon,
I counted for about three trips, and she yes. Because
I opened the door for her, I said, do you
want another hand?
Speaker 9 (13:54):
Are you right?
Speaker 7 (13:55):
And you can't remember exactly what she packed into the car.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, No, she was packing her kid's cloth, her clothes.
She was packing the stuff into the car into the boot.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
Was she running back and forth or walking?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Or she was like powe walking. I guess you know,
when you're angering you just you just storm off.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Seemed to be in a hurry.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
Yes, just packing her stuff and going to get out
of there.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
Yes, what happened after that? So she's in the house.
Speaker 9 (14:16):
Yes, we heard a thud and then I said, what's
she breaking now? And bloody? And then I smelt it.
It was gunpowder.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Gareth says at this point, he's outside having a smoke
and Simmons is with the kids.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Then he's come through the gate, gone inside. I heard
a thud and he just came running straight out, punching
the shed and he like just broke down and just
I'm like, as he's run past me, like what's wrong?
He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Bro?
Speaker 9 (14:45):
He goes, is she alive?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The deputy coroner tries to ascertain where Gareth is when
Simmons goes inside.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
So you had followed him into the house, yes, I
was right behind him, like pretty much.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
And then he runs back past you out of the house.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yes, started punching into the shed and just starts crying
and screaming and stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Do you know how long David would have been inside
without you?
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Shit?
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Probably like seconds. It would have been seconds you were
right behind him, yes, seconds like this time.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Gareth says, the gun was pretty much positioned between her legs.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
The rifle was on her. She was like she was
only a little, small, little lady like woman. Well, I
walked in there and I was like, yes, rip the
gun off, and then just covered her face up, then
went back out and Simo said what do we do?
Speaker 9 (15:31):
What do we do? And I was like, bro, we've
got to call somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Gareth has asked if he noticed the missing door handle.
Speaker 9 (15:38):
Yes, actually no, not until like after you just told me.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
When I walked in there, I left the bloody I
left it open, yes, because like when I walked in,
I just like ram the door, and I suppose that's
how her body moves.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
So you used a bit of force, did you.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
Because it was stuck. I couldn't get in. I was
like just fully opened.
Speaker 7 (15:56):
It was that the first or second time you went in.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
First time I went in there, and I've just like
get in there, like I've just pushed it straight open.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
So after David had run out, you were obviously right
behind him to go in. Yes, you didn't realize at
that point she had shot herself.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
No, I thought she was breaking something. But as soon
as he said is she alive?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
That's when I didn't say that to you before he
went in.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
No, he goes as he was coming like what can
you do? All right, I'll see what I can do.
Can't move. I just went in there and bloody, like,
holy shit, I can't help you.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Neither had a phone. Gareth says he went back into
Amy and patted her down for her phone.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
So when you patted her down looking for her phone.
Speaker 9 (16:37):
You didn't find the phone.
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Do you think you would have moved her leg or anything?
Speaker 9 (16:40):
Well, no, I just checked her pockets.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
You pat checked, yes, because well we needed to call somebody,
all right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Gareth is asked about why they didn't go to the
big house to use the phone there. He says Simmons
told him his dad was out.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
David wouldn't have a key, no, he reckons, he's a
little Yes, yes, no, he doesn't have a key. I
don't think he had a key. He might know where
he stashed it or something, but I don't know why
he didn't go up to the top of the house.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So they go to the service station to make the
triple zero call. Gareth is with Simmons when he makes
that call. The coroner refers to a second call made
by Simmons.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
Do you know who he called?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Well, no, because I went because after he spoke to
the got a hold of the coppers.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
I just went back into the car, did you Yes.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Because we know from the service station owner that David
asked if he could use the phone another time, and
he said yes, And David then went out the front
and called someone and I'm sure that the service station
owner said that you were with him when he did that.
You can't remember.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
No, I don't remember that the second person he called.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
There is mention in one of your interviews about David
trying to call his dad. Do you remember anything about that.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Well, he might have called him, Yes, he might have
called Bert, Yes, because I know he didn't.
Speaker 9 (17:56):
I'm pretty sure he didn't speak to him.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
When I was on the phone with him, hear him
talk to his dad.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
No, I was like, pretty looking too busy, Just zone
it out.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Gareth Is then questioned about evidence provided by Nea, who
was six at the time and talked to a child
interviewer about the event shortly after.
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Her memory is not too good of what occurred, but
she did mention something about us stop at the rubbish bins.
Do you know what that's about. No, he didn't stop
at any rubbish bins anywhere.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
No.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
No.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Nea also mentioned something about David using a gun to
shoot at a bird while they were waiting in the
car or a tree.
Speaker 9 (18:40):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Can you tell me what you remember about that and
shot it? Can you tell me what time that was?
Speaker 9 (18:44):
No, I know it was the afternoon.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
With the kids in the car.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
At this point, yes, when he shot the bird, Yes, yes,
all right.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Because of Neya's age at the time, not much weight
was given to this evidence. Gareth proceeds to provide more
details about the discussion he had with Robert or Bert
as he calls him at the front gate. After seeing
Amy's dead body for the first time.
Speaker 9 (19:10):
He goes, what's going on? Did Simo do it?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
So?
Speaker 9 (19:13):
He said that, yes, straight up. He goes, did Simo
do it? I was like, no, bro, no, no, no,
and bloody, where did he go? I said, he's taking
the kids to Nancy's, dropping them off to their nanas.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
So at that point, as far as you know, had
Bert already gone inside the house?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Yes, he goes, because I said, I think she shot
Amy shot herself. And he goes, I've already seen that,
And he goes, did he cover her up?
Speaker 9 (19:36):
I said no, I covered her face up.
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Do you remember Bert saying something about unloading the gun?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
He when I was actually talking the other day when
I was here on Tuesday or Monday when I was yeah, Tuesday,
when I was here, But he said there was two
guns there, bloody, the twelve gage shot gun was already loaded.
You were saying, oh, I heard you were talking about
that was on Tuesday, and that was the first time
I actually heard that, and that was that day. So no,
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I didn't know about the other gun.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
Okay, there was just a few different guns in the bedroom,
that's all.
Speaker 9 (20:07):
Yes, because we're going out shooting.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Did Bert leave while you were waiting at the front gate? Yes,
but you don't know where Bert went or what he
was doing.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
No.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Gareth then talks about the ambulance and police turning up,
followed by Nancy and Simmons. He says Nancy was accusing
Simmons of killing Amy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's worth noting that at this point the detectives haven't arrived,
they didn't hear Nancy shouting at David Simmons, and they
weren't interested in hearing about the circumstances of Amy's life
while they were there. Nancy wasn't questioned until major crime
became involved, after Amy's death was determined as suicide and
forensics were called off. Also at the inquest, Gareth was
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asked to clarify some of the discrepancies, starting with the tawl.
Speaker 10 (20:55):
You say in the statement it was morone or red
in color. Well, the photo seem to show it's blue blue,
but I know that boys aren't always great with colors.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
Is it possible?
Speaker 10 (21:05):
I'm assuming it's the same towel that someone hasn't switched
a red towel and put in a blue Would that
be fair?
Speaker 8 (21:11):
No?
Speaker 9 (21:11):
What how I put on her? That's the tow I
put on her.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Hey Council, representing the family. Peter Ward asked about a jacket,
as that's what.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Robert recalls a jacket. Yes, I've heard that. Yes, it
is definitely a towel.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Despite being questioned extensively, many of Gareth's answers were still
quite vague.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You must be Gareth Price. How are you? Gareth?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Now back to Liam's interview with Gareth.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
We're wondering if you could answer a few questions for
us please, Yes, depends, okay on what and what was
the question.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
You want to ask?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Well, we just want to find out the truth about
what happened that day, Gareth.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Oh, okay. Have you usually got the statements and the
reports about it?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Have you? I've read the stuff that you you said
in the coroner's court.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
Yeah, and I've read the rubbish.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No, you're right mate, You're right.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
At this point, Gareth is picking up bits of paper
on the ground.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I've read the stuff that you you said to the police,
but there are still, as you know, there are still
huge question marks about the actual result, you know, because
the coroner said it was an open finding.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, I reckon those every few years. It's got to
be brought back up in four years or something, and
that's what I say.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Well, it's still an open case as far as the
police are concerned.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
That's what they said.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, so you know there's a million dollar reward for information.
Yeah whatever, do you intend to take advantage of that?
What for for yourself?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
It's a suicide?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Do you think it was a suicide?
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Exactly was?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I was there.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
So in David, David Simmons, you're your friend. Did he
have anything to do with it? Gareth, Uh.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
No, he didn't.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I it was it was side. She shot herself. That's
what happened there, really, no, she did there with fourteen
shot gun. She blew her head off her shoulders.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Gareth is re enacting what Amy looked like when he
found her and indicates the shotgun was pointing up under
her chin.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't there, Gareth it wasn't like that.
It was on the side of the head. You should
know that if you've been living it for the past
ten years. So you've got that one wrong. Is there
anything else you've got wrong over the years?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
I'm a literate. I can't ready which he sounded a right, yeah, sweets.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
These players leave?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
You want us to leave? Now? Why? Why are you
uncomfortable talking about it?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
You want to chat?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Why? Cup coffee?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Some biscuits the coffee?
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm just way out of the house,
a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well will you talk to us more?
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Well, what do you want to know?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'll tell you I'm dating into wanting here.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Well, Gareth, all I want to know is the truth.
That's all I want to know. Because you know her
family have been absolutely destroyed by this, and you would
be too if it was your partner or your daughter
or your wife.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I understand that, sir, And it's.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Just a it's a shocking, shocking way to go.
Speaker 6 (24:23):
You've used people, got a lot of people in high
places that saw a lot of stuff out, and they've
been doing their tests and there all their reshirts and
I know they've done all of what they've done.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So they haven't done it properly, and you know that's
their fault. But you can help them. You can help us.
I'm helping you, but you can help usk by telling
the truth.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Is the truth, sir, It is the truth.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Who was first in that bedroom? Was it David or you?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You asked what was that? Bane?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Is likely? So what's that noise there? You read the statements,
but he's all read statements.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
When that, when that kind of stuff happens, you don't.
No one does understand. As bad as shocking, as bad
as it is, it's not good to see your best
face missing your head, blowing off shoulders, and there's not
a good.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Thing to see.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It is shocking.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I actually walked in there, the gun off a lap
and put a tower over where her face was made.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So the gun was on a lap, it was off
her lap.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I did. I told her. I told her all the
copper is this, all the sergeants and everybody.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I told him all.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
But how would it be on a lap if the
recoiled from the shotgun was that way?
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Excuse me, sir, Have you seen the picture? Have you
seen the drawing? Actually drew up a picture. Actually you've
seen in the house the house of Look, I'll show
you that will take you there exactly where it was
if he wants to. That's what I'm talking about. Was
right there, like in the corner of the room. I
pushed the door open and all I've seen in the
body was on the floor.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Mate, Why did you move the gun? Well?
Speaker 6 (25:49):
I didn't want to see my best mod's friend with
her without her face blowing off.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
But David said he saw it first.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
He was he is, is ye alive?
Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Seems you're alive.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I haven't a sp I know now I'm like, oh, ship,
what do you what? We use it to that if
you just walking something? Well what we used to like?
What would you even in a situation? What would you people?
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Sir? It would be very confirmed.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
What would you do in that situation? You please tell
me what would you do if that happened to you?
If your situation?
Speaker 1 (26:20):
What would you do?
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Please tell me?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's a great question because it would be a terrible,
terrible situation.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Please I elaborate.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Would you like tell me to but Gareth? But Gareth?
After that? After that? Why did you take the wheely
bin down to the end of the road and what
was in that ben?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I don't know, sir, I didn't take it. Who've been
down to the road?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I think you were seeing taking the bin down? No,
I did not Who who took the bend down there?
Speaker 6 (26:45):
I don't know, sir.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So did you go?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I actually waited at the bottom of the hill. I
actually waited the bottom mills.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Sir, you went, You went with him to the roadhouse.
Didn't you to make the crow?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yes, we did. We both both the girls in the gata.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And did you get to the shop before that or
after that?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Actually he took the girls back to north, then took
the girls wait at the bottom of the hill. Then
Bert come down and drive away. He goes, where is
such and such? I said, his buddy taking the girls
to Nancy. True, taking him to Nancy, And probably maybe
half an hour later someone that they came rocking up
as she was Sergeant Comfortable Larry. I don't I don't
(27:24):
know whose offside it was. It was kind of Sargeant
Larry's and somebody else is there. But first the same
was their ambulance. There was two of them. I said,
we need the body bags.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
She's dead.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Like we might judge it that with no problems, go
for it. So I started at the bottom of the hill. Ye,
And how was that?
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So? So you just said to the policeman she's dead.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And then and the first is the ambulance driver, sorry,
the ambulance drivers, because that was no, she's dead, mate,
we might judge that. I'm not where were her face
was a gargling the bubbles of blood where her face was?
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I I don't know, honestly, that's what happened.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
There.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Did you ever see your mate David be violent towards her?
Speaker 8 (28:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Actually nah, because.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
But everybody gets come on, No, what are you trying
to get get out of when you're trying to says
different things?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
But no, I just want you to tell the truth
and not not protect just protect your mate.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Take my mate. I am he's dead, sir, I am,
he's dead.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I exactly.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
And now I wouldn't protecting if you don't know, I wouldn't.
That's say that's a different thing. Would ever say I
didn't do it? I didn't do just whatever, mate, Sorry,
I'll get a bit. It's a hard subject to talk about, it.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Is, and I appreciate you answering some questions. It's good
of you. So what do I go for?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Forget help? Because this is pretty understort on me as well.
This is hard point.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
It's hard to live with one of my wife because
I don't know even how to go forwards after this,
you know, So.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
What do I do about this?
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Do you need counseling?
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Do you think we went to gownsling everything? Oh well,
we can't really help you be able to give allways,
all the scripture, medication and whatnot, just to give you whatever.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
You'll be right.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
I don't know saying something best but the head blowing off?
No one will say that, sir.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Did David tell you why the doorknob to that bedroom
was missing on the inside?
Speaker 6 (29:23):
I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Very strange, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Well, ship that's opening with ten years ago? Now, how
long has it been?
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's almost ten years?
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, so it's over ten years a long time now.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
You don't forget those sorts of things stuff?
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Well, no, you don't know.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Yeah, it's pretty fall on half he's had a good.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Day or pretty hard to get around it, isn't it.
But yeah, yeah, we're just as you can imagine we're
just trying to help the investigation and try to find
the truth. Yeah, I understand that, and so you're obviously
large part of that because you know you're a key
to the whole story.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So have you ever thought about taking up that one
million dollar reward and telling telling police, going back to
police and telling them exactly what happened?
Speaker 6 (30:28):
No, because the truth of the truth, Sir, the truth,
the truth and always comes out.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
And I made a lot. He does and he's all
know that.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
He's only the truth comes out.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
We would like it or not.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It does, it will eventually, it does it, and I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
I'm actually I'm going to be there when it does, honestly,
because I'm pointing back at yourself.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I told you so, Gareth. Why would a young mum
like Amy? You knew Amy?
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I actually do not have what will still?
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, she probably considered you a friend.
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Actually, good mate. They actually they give me accommodation when
when I can't even afford to pay my own power
stuff like So she treated you well, Amy and Simo
both they both David Sims and Amy, they both treated
us both both populy ate, really good.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Give was someone to stay.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
He always looked after us and were at fishing camp
and hunt like, you know, just having fun, living life together.
We hunting campen living, that's what you do together, mate.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
So the least you can do is honor her graciousness
by telling your truth. So, how does a young mum
with two little girls that she loved is allegedly allegedly
come on?
Speaker 6 (31:34):
She shot herself? She shot herself thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
How does a young mum like that leave two of
them in a car running with their bags packed to
go to her mother's house. She goes into the house
to get some more things, Your mate, David Simmons, goes
back into the house. Next thing, she's found dead from
a shotgun blast? How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (31:58):
Twelve? Gage?
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I poured ten?
Speaker 1 (32:01):
How does that happen?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
It is?
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Yeah, Well you tell me, you're you know, you tell
me because you were right there. Yeah, I told you,
But you're not believing me, sir. I'm telling you everything
I know, You're not still believing me. So I don't
know what more he is on me to say, is.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Do you reckon? If the forensics had it turned up
that night, if the detectives had have done their job.
Do you reckon? There'd be a different answer, sir?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Can you answer the question yourself?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Do you think there'd be a different answer if the
forensics did their job.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
No, it wouldn't have been a different answer, sir, one
hundred percent. No, it wouldn't have been as I know.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
That for a fact.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
What do you think David's own father told the ambulance
operator he thought he son did it.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Because he's a map.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
No, he didn't do it.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
He didn't do it. Sorry, yeah, did ask me to you? Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Mate?
Speaker 6 (32:49):
I wanted to. I wanted the punish of men thinking
in the first place. Mate, Because now, because Simili is
a good buddy man, he is a good man, he
wouldn't have done in the first place. But I know
that for one hundred he wouldn't have done it. I'm
telling you sorry, he would have done it. He would
not have done it.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
What do you mean he's a good man. He's assaulted
the police officer. I spent nine months in jail for it.
He's not a good man.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
No, he's on drugs.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Made people drugs set people in. Drugs are dumb, mate,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, he might have been on drugs that day.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
No, Well, no, he wasn't. I don't know. We had
a few beers, mate, We had a few beers.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Honestly, how many he's a few games?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Well, I don't know. When you go over the mates,
did you catch your beers?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You were with him all day?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I want to work.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
How many beers I went to work?
Speaker 6 (33:31):
I wouldn't, actually, I know I wouldn't, Big Pavement.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
I was working three jobs, mate.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I was living in jail at album, I was working
night shift the Cannon, Bubble Marcus Bony and Mute at
night time. And I was on Big pavment during the days.
So a boddy paying my rent, mate, right, that's what's
going on. That's what's having a mate. And because my
body egg sorry mate, ship, I was working tho jobs mate,
you know what I mean. And he was working. He
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was working with his dad and stuff like, and both
all the kids were hanging out to get no one
big family mate.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They will be worried. But obviously she's But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
She must have got angry about something, mate.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
She could have shot us all mate, but she didn't.
She shot herself.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh, come on, she done it. She didn't even like shooting,
you know that?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Liam is referring to the evidence provided by Brydon. We'll
hear from him next episode.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
David bought it. The fourteen was hers and the twenty
two pick one was her gun. She had two guns, mate,
she had two guns.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
She loves shooting.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
She loves skinning stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Mate.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
She loved or she loved hunting, pigs love camp I
love fish and mate.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
She did.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
She loved all that honestly, she loved all that stuff. Mate.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Oh yeah, Gareth, two biomechanical experts, Yeah, both told the
corner's court that the evidence was that someone else shot her.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Yeah, I heard this too. I actually did hear this
as well.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
But she's only a small woman.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
The evidence proves what it's proven, and that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, the evidence is that she had a right hand
under a bottom.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Were you there, sir? Did you say the body? Were
you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (35:15):
What are you saying that's wrong?
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Were you there, sir?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Are you saying that's right?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Were you there?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Did you say the body where it was?
Speaker 6 (35:21):
Did you see her, her reathless corpse in the in
the corner?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Did you say it?
Speaker 6 (35:26):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:26):
You didn't, did you There's a big day to day, But.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, I then flat out, Yeah, trying to make it
live in the staffe and just a lot's going on,
and this is a lot happening.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Well, I'm glad you're busy. Glad you're busy. Yeah, I
got to So who was first in that room? You were, David?
Speaker 6 (35:50):
Honestly true?
Speaker 4 (35:52):
I said, what was that fun?
Speaker 6 (35:55):
The next minute he went walking and he's opened the
door and he came running out start of funding into
this shed as you come around?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Is he alive?
Speaker 8 (36:04):
Is she?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Is?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
She alive? And I walked in there and I had
to gin the door open.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Next minute I was saying, her sets like a corner right, yeah,
corner of the last see sure that mate? And she
was on the floor obviously here on the lab. Mate.
Oh yeah, I said it was my I was a
bud coming out of a blue mate. I don't know
what more you're gonna say, but that's what that's what
it was. I don't know's I'm getting old?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Hed? Sorry, are you on drugs now, Gareth?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Actually no, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I'm sure.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Uh had a couple of beers today. Yeah, she held
me intoxicated. You are drunk now, yes, I am, Uh
that is I am compisicated.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I didn't mean having a crack at anything else of it. Ah, Nah,
something a bit harder. Nah, you sure, I'm sure you
seem pretty agitated.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Uh hortative on my day date.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
So mutually diagnosedes that that's this is what I'm so
always antsy and health is shitty and stuff. Even asked
my doctors if you want to.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Believe me, I'm taking you on your word. You haven't
got the shakes and the dis from having too many pipes.
Speaker 8 (37:18):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Okay, so you're comfortable. You're comfortable that you're gonna have
to live with that as well.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
We'll actually, we all got to live with this, sir.
We actually, we will have to live with this.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
It's got just to ask who actually to deal with it.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
That's all the friends of her other side of the family,
the daughters, they're the one who made a suffer in
the most because they lost the mom and anybody dad,
because because that made Simo lost yourself. But he's not
he's not such same, he's not the same. Mate, he's
gone since Mate, our Thames and that mates, simples. I
don't know if you know similar and be able to
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give back to the reality again. Mate, that's on the
story similar. Hey, I don't know what I know. I'm
gonna work and I've got to support from my family
and that's what I've got to do. Mate, This is
what I think. I am still going forwards. That's what
you gotta do. Mate.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Well, you know some people, some people might think that
your mate is a very lucky man.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Oh yeah, there this nine seven or ABC or ten
seven seven.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, spotlight, spot Light and we're gonna have a podcast
as well, Gareth. Oh here no around Australia. Oh yeah,
Well it's good of you to at least front up
and have a chat to us. So I appreciate that.
Do you have trouble sleeping at night?
Speaker 6 (38:44):
My life good, wife is good?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Life is good.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Well, if you're above the ground is good, isn't it
if you're not not like if you're not you know
or something, I don't know, you not like Amy? I know?
Well there, yeah, but you can't help everyone to theirselves. Actually,
we're all I love in the world for her. But no,
(39:11):
I wouldn't even go to a funeral getting an invited
to a ferneral But so I understand that.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Well A Kurna said it could also be homicide. So
that's what an open finding is. They can't work out
whether it's suicidal homicide.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Was the homicide?
Speaker 8 (39:28):
Was it?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
What's a homicide?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 6 (39:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's a murder, Gareth. Well, you know, if you if
you are protecting your mate, it's a pretty low thing
to do.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
You know that.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
When you special speak and you're asking the same question
about me as well. Late, that's all.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Right, ask you the same question you ask. I'm happy
to ask.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Eventually you will pop up.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
This is true because a few days after this interview
with Gareth, David Simmons is due to front court again,
charged once again with assaulting a public officer. You'll hear
that interview in a future episode.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
He made him actually at a bit of a disagreement.
She was living me for a little while. Yeah, and
you know, just negative, negative energy doesn't go well. I
don't like negative energy. It's not good for anybody. Leave nicely.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, So you're not mates anymore.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
We're still amaze.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
I've got one hundred Yeah, he's my brother and whatever.
But he didn't kill Amy. He did not shoot Amy.
She shot herself one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (40:36):
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty incredible, though, isn't it. You want
me to believe that it is free story. So you
want me to believe that a mom puts her kids
in the car to take them to her mum's place
to escape the partner's behavior, which is pretty which is
pretty average. Excuse me, I'm wait for it, wait for it.
I'm painting your picture. And you know better than anyone,
because you were there that day. And then she says
(41:00):
to the kids, just hang on a second, because I
just got to get my makeup and a few bits
and pieces. And she goes back in the bedroom, and
then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, she's dead.
In the meantime, your mate goes back inside the house.
It's a sort of strange coincidence, isn't it. Oh so
instead of coming back to the car, which is running
(41:22):
to take her own children, and.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
You all open the door for us, we look at hand.
We lost for help, Amy, what was this last pisonde?
Open the door for her? I opened the door for
she's getting Yeah, she'll just come out with bags and
clothes and chuck them in the boot of the car.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
She was, Yeah, it took them loads of clothes because
she wanted to go go it.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah, well, no one stop is doll cars the Semos
plays don't drive stupid because it's a steep it's a
steep driveway and.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
You might look and crashing or something did stop her,
didn't She don't stop herself. So yeah, so she just
happened to go back inside. Yeah no, and commits suicide.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
Yes, sir, it was a fourteenth bunch of darting at
her self. At his honest truth, what was the fourteenth
shot gun?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
It's about as believable as me going around the back
of your place now and finding fairies at the bottom
of your pick.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Oh you perform a fairy Tell me about it?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Huh. I just want you to tell the truth. You know,
it's about time you told the truth.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
I told the truth.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
Set.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
When you watch Gareth during this interview, he appears to
believe what he's saying. He believes his mate, but that
doesn't mean he's right. Gareth also says Simo and Amy
had a great relationship despite witnessing their very violent fight.
Like everyone else connected to Amy's death, he's visibly haunted
(42:36):
by what happened that night.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
It's pretty clear that this has affected you as well.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Hey it is, Yeah, it has really I.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Mean you you are, you know, genuinely upset about it?
Speaker 6 (42:48):
Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
I am actually genuinely upset. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
It's a problem with these things, isn't it. When these
stories sort of go off the rails, they affect everybody involved.
And I guess the only resolution is if we can
somehow get to the truth.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
Is spot on, And I think we're doing all the
best part with what we can do and just trying
to get down the bottom. And that's what I want
to and that's what I hope before they get to
and I will actually like at the end one day.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
But apparently I.
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Heard like every four years and this can be an
interquesting or something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
And I don't think that's right. But the police investigation
is open, so I hopefully they can whenever they can
do extra things.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Because I heard because they have so mans and and
they don't have so many charge like so many terms
for them trying to prove it or something like, because
it actually does get quiet much, you know, so how
many more times do you reckon mis be the rest
of my life? We can go on an investigation, Miller
until it gets sort of like, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Well, unless they find new information to it happens new evidence,
and yeah it sounds good. Yeah, I mean I mean
who knows. I mean you might be able to help
or or you or you might be part of the problem.
I mean you might get arrested again.
Speaker 6 (44:08):
Oh yeah, you see when it happens.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So how many times you've been arrested twice?
Speaker 4 (44:14):
You probably get my record on the paper there. I
haven't got out.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I'm asking you to be honest.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Honestly, I don't really know. I've been arrested.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
For being complicit for aiding in a bedding. Bedding Well
what they thought suspected at the time. Oh well no,
what was murdered?
Speaker 6 (44:30):
No, only being locked up? Well I've had a motivated
a bush one time.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, I'm talking about Amy.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
Oh yeah that was the forty eight hours. Yeah, they've
got to do their job. Is you going to do
a job. I understand that I ain't gonna.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
Sweet as do your job. It's all good, no problem here. Yeah,
I've got nothing, so buddy, yeah, broblems take care.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Thanks for having a chat.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
FI.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
As you've heard in this podcast, Larry Blandford reckons Gareth
was schooled in his answers.
Speaker 8 (45:07):
But now when you look at it, it's actually really sad.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Allison shows him the interview I did with Gareth and
this is what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (45:15):
Yeah, well, Gareth, I believe is a sucked in victim's
You know, he's taken a stand which.
Speaker 8 (45:23):
Has been in the jar before and he seems to
be in that world right, So.
Speaker 5 (45:28):
Yeah, well he shouldn't be that because he's.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Not that bad a bloke.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Larry says, Gareth has wasted his life.
Speaker 8 (45:34):
Do you see that much with people? Or is Gareth
kind of the saddest case?
Speaker 5 (45:39):
I think for what for what I've seen on your laptop,
he would be Yeah, for sure. Now I haven't seen
him for a few years, but it's not pleasant for
what he's gone through and he's taken a hard stand
on it.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Is it a case that you think this is really
affected him as well?
Speaker 5 (46:03):
Oh, the whole incident has definitely affected him. It's probably
affected his whole family.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
Well, when someone's down, well everybody around him is not.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
He's not jumping for joy, are they?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
No, he didn't fuck it, He didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
After ten years, Gareth appears convinced he's right about his mate.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Almost no, because Simi is a good buddy man.
Speaker 6 (46:27):
He is a good man. He wouldn't have done in
the first place. But I know that for one hundred
percent he wouldn't have done it. I'm telling you, sorry, no,
he would have done it. He wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Big enough to do that. Family need to let it
go next week, Joshua Brighton.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
I don't need to keep going through this ship Keith
Betting through that day mm hmm Lisser c so detion.
Speaker 8 (47:09):
We both know for now.
Speaker 6 (47:14):
You mek.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
T.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
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her death, we'd love to hear from you. Just email
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