July 31, 2025 • 43 mins
Bronte Campbell joins Abbey and Georgie for a candid chat about life in and out of the pool. From chasing Olympic glory to launching her sustainable activewear brand, Bronte shares the highs, lows, and everything in between. They talk burnout, brutal training loads, why medals don’t always bring happiness, and the joy of finding purpose beyond sport. Plus, insider goss from the Olympic village, chaotic world championships, and a healthy dose of dream-crushing competitiveness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here at Two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge
the traditional owners of the land on which we record
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always was always will be. Hello, dear listeners, and welcome
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's another week. I'm Georgie Toney.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And I'm Abby Jelmy. And do you know, Georgie that
if we were on Fox Footy right now, we'd be
okay to this point because we haven't used nicknames, but
they have brought in it.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm coming in hot with a tape.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They have brought in new rule that you know, allaw
to use nicknames in the broadcast because they were getting
too familiar.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stop it. So hang on. I'm trying to think of
my head.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
John Dermo, like g gazz.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Or like I don't know, I couldn't call you Jelmy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, I have no idea, but it has set a
light to the football world, being like the fabric of
this nation is putting an O on the end of
someone's name.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
In any yep.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So when they introduce Jonathan Brown, I want to know,
are they going to call him Jonathan for the rest
of the game and not Brownie or Betty Yet good
take dermit, pardon.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is fascinating to me because I can understand principally,
like on principle, what they're trying to get at, because
as someone who has watched a lot of broadcasts in
their life humble brag I do. Sometimes if I'm experiencing
a sport for the first time, I'll be like, I
have no idea what you're talking about or who you're
talking to.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So a freewolt's rue You're like, pardon the game. I
just don't know who you're a fer.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Especially when it's not obviously iteration to rusholds pipes.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, like I know this, but the average person to
be like, what's wrong with the pipe?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I would argue though, that everyone would eventually get to
know that. It only takes two or three games of
you know, meeting the commentary team, but there would be
that initial impediment I think, to being like, ah, I'm
not part of this club. I hate not necessarily nicknames.
I don't don't love when there's very very in joke.
(02:04):
I agree with you joke in the commentary. Anything that's
happened off screen shouldn't be brought on screen.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, you need the viewer at time needs to feel
like they're a part of it. But I will ask
you this as two people that started out when we
came to our respective roles in different times in our lives,
quite junior, was there anything so warm as when someone
you deeply respected called you a nickname on air?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No, I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Nothing has ever felt better than someone going thanks Abs,
and You're like, thank you, Rehy Ponting what, thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Best friend, Bruce, thank you what?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Like, Like, it's true, there was there was a moment
when they when they use something that's even the slightest
term of endearment like great question, Abs, and you're like,
just put it in the loof.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know how you put audio in.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The loover, but I feel like a better Like those
moments can mean so much to you as well?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
True?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
True, have you though experienced?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Because I have the opposite where you go full with
a nickname that you've just given someone that may not
sully be theirs. But let's for argument's sake, let's say
I'm talking to someone called Gabby and I've said thanks Gabs,
and then they've gone yes, so it's Gabby.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And I also like I hate Gabs like, no one
calls me gabs.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, And I'm like, oh yeah, and that's so you there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Every time you go again, you're like yeah, although you'd
be like.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Thanks, g banger, you would give it such aggression and
then afterwards be like, shame spiral, Why did Why did
I lean in with that? Was that on National TV?
I'm so sorry, Gaps. Can I send you flowers to
apologize for what I did?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's what you would.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's actually true. It's actually true.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have made many phone calls previously to just different
people that I'm trying to interview and I've never spoken
to them before in my life, and I'll be like,
oh my god, Simon, hey.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
How are you And he's like, sorry, do I know? No,
Maybe there's rules for me. Maybe Fox Footy has brought
it in for people like Mane. Interesting. Okay, okay, that's
a reckoning that I'll deal with. I'll deal with off.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm going to keep on with the AFL theme about
things that you can say to mates or things that
you can say in jest and you get away with yes,
there was an instance during the week, and if you
haven't heard it, I'm going to play the audio, and
I'm so interested as to whether you think good sport
of badsport. Okay, Tom Papley's got a little bit to
say the first half just there a little bit of
(04:23):
feeling this one.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He's looking over a way and see how we go
second half?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
My good luck.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That is the one the only Toby Green doing a
mid game interview. It was halftime with Dicko from Fox
Footy as he was formerly known.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
See there you go. I'm thinking in Dicko Dixon from Australian.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Idols, what's he doing on the football field?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
There I go.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
But it was Toby Green being interviewed about one Tom Papley,
who had just kicked a goal and got up in
his grill. So there were layers to this and he's
arguably the biggest aggravator in the game, Tom Papley, and
perhaps has since come out and basically said, I love
it for the game.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
If you're going to dish it out, you got to
take it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
When you heard those comments for the first time, George,
did you go.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Or both? I did both.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It was a oh anna hah. It was honestly both
because I was like ah and then I was like ha,
what a sledge like I am someone who we know,
we know, dear listener loves a grub, loves a grub.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I love a grub. I love a bit of banter.
I love a sledge. I love a sledge. Is that
going too far?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would argue no, because I think that there is
enough animosity, good natured banter between Papley and Green, Like
are they going to tear each other apart on the
football field the next time they see each other?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Probably, But as a fan, I'm already I'm already circling
that bean, like, can't wait for that match.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I'm not going to talk about the fact that Toby
Green did the one two three kick at Dane Rampy
and missed him, which means that he can't be suspended,
but that action looked terrible. But I will say the
interactions that I've had Toby Green the person. He's sensational, yes,
which is why I'm like, oh, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But then have you seen it's such a like for
like like everything that makes Toby Green that grub, Tom
Pathley meets him in every single area.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is the battle of the grubs.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
This is the.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Battle of the grubs.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Like put it into my veins, like this is the
stuff that I love.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I love it?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Bizarrely sexist that if this was out the netball prelim,
if they're doing a walk off interview with one of
the Vixen's players talking about the Swifts and they go, oh,
what do you think and they go, oh, she's looking
a bit overweightless, I would be like, I.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Would go Korea band Korea.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Because thou shall not shame. So you don't know hormonally
where she is.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that is me being hypocritical, but hey, but he is.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Where soone it's so unfair that we're like, oh, well
if that as a woman, Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I'd be like, oh, and yes it's Tom Papley And
I'm like, skin folds, Like that's unfair.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Right, yeah, I mean I guess I mean Tom Papley. Also,
I think, haven't haven't the Swan's taken this narrative as
well now and they've released a video of him getting
his skin folds.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I haven't seen the post. I've only seen him. He
did an interview where he's He's like.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I love it, they love it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I hope I hope that nothing like I deeply respect
Toby Green. If I he actually said, if I was
a viewer or like just a fan, he'd be my
favorite player.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, okay, see see, so he's.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Probably realizing he was the antagonizer and everyone saw that
he was like the bully being bullied, and he's like,
just let's step back.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, it's it is one of those ones where it
actually it would mean something completely different in the women's game.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
We think you'd see it, You wouldn't. You just wouldn't
see it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We also saw it in women's cricket, as in at
the the Women's Ashes at the start of this year
where they had one of the commentator basically come out
and go, look, I just think they're unfit.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah. But that was a genuine assessment and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Everyone was like whoa, oh, yes, because it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Wasn't a sledge. It was actually like, you know, they've
got all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Less an actual analysis of their game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, whereas I think I think because it was tongue
in cheek, yeah, it does sit a little bit differently.
But I just again, we were talking about it before
we went on air on how we're going to cover it,
and I was like, as a woman, can I just
say how completely hypocritical it is that if this was
a girl, I'd be like, absolutely not. But because it's paply,
I'm like, ah, but anyway, there might. That's my double
(08:29):
whammy nicknames and the Green team.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Strong from You, Strong from You, I would argue, oh,
half bad, half good sports, both of them, both of them.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think I'm their sports. They're sports.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I have just a very quickly eat because we've got
to get to an incredible guest this episode, I am
going to give just a little shout out to a
good sport, which is the Wallabies and rugby in this country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
We have given it a fair freaking whack over the
years of this podcast. Just for for.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Your visual ears listeners, Jelmy has adorned a jersey, not
in the typical fashion. She's sitting across from me wearing
it above her.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Head like a hat.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It has to take my headphones on to actually put
it on. The very gold, very very gold green Wallabies guernsey. Yeah,
that one feel war was kind enough to give to me.
So thank you, Phil.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Are you saying is this you being You're fully on board?
I'm gonna say it is a great sport. It's wonderful
that there was like one hundred thousand people there at
the g to see them against the British and Irish Lions.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
God I wish they were so it was the refs
call in the seventy ninth minute after the Wallabies led
for seventy nine minutes, was both without reason or romanticism.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Go to a decider, so it's so go to it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They arrived at the same time. I don't bloody think
they did. Joe Schmidt knows a little bit about rugby.
He also doesn't think they did. What do you mean?
Also like, if you've gotta protect the head, protect the head,
disallow the try protect the game. Let August to be
a decider and say rugby in this country, what is
(10:15):
wrong with you? I don't know enough about the game
to be this outrage by what was a shit decision.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I actually cannot describe, dear listener.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm usually the unhinged one on this podcast, and gently
has seen those hinges and she's.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Blown them off.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm also wearing red, so I feel like it's really
abjectivity for mine.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
The British and Irish lines are all conquering.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
At the start of their tour, where they were taking
on super rugby sides, they were getting to the half
tone they're getting pissy points and we all sat back
and went what And especially after game one, the term
gallant loss was used to refer to the Wallabies, and
rugby fans in this country were like, well, put.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Us in the bend. Now we're accepting gallant losses. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And then what the Wallabies were able to do taking
on the British Irish Lions, I think not only does
rugby in this country have a pulse that it's alive.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I agree, and we bashed.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The hell out of it for the first two years
doing this point and right now on that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
On that, I just think that the game itself, I
don't want to ruin the whole fabric of it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So don't at me, all Union fans. I'm with you,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But honestly, if you just have the scores close enough
and you have possession in that last minute, you are
going to win, even if you're behind. So as soon
as it entered the seventy ninth minute and the British
and Irish Lions were in the Wallabies half, I'm like,
they're going to have seventy eight plays. There's no way
that they're not going to score and take this away.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
From them, and that's what happened. And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, but still a wonderful spectacle. It's been
so great to see all of the touring fans as well.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's a vibe. It's a vibe and for rugby in Australia,
that is a win.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's a vibe.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You also know that it's rugby when you're at entrecote
and there's fans everywhere, and I'm like, this is when
you know it's private school boys, because I do.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
There's not often guernseys at this place at a lunch.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I thoroughly enjoy when the players interact with the referees.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Sir, sir, sir, sir, please please can you hear me, sir, sir? Also, sir, sir,
they're doing that.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
He started it, sir, genuinely, that was well he started it, sir.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yep, so he's doing that, did you see, sir?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
We better move on, sir, because we have a great
guest today, great guest standing back.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Tell me on this podcast. We know I love an intro.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
We also know I love a fact and I would
say that it's scientific fact that a lot of Queenslanders,
dare I say, a lot of Australians, except for you can.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Swim before they can walk.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Alas though not all of them can swim as well
as our guest.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Today.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
They often say, don't meet your heroes, never meet them,
and I am so beyond happy that that is not
the case with one of my absolute idols growing up
and now one of my great friends.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Bronti Campbell. Welcome to Doo Goods.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Hello, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now, Brontie, this is a treat And if I was
more professional, I would have gone back and found the audio.
But the first interview that we had with George after
she came back from one amazing race, she was like, oh,
the experience is great. Did I mention that I'm now
friends with Brontie Campbell? And we had to swim at
some point and I looked across and I was like, ah,
a fellow dolphin like recognizes, Like that's a direct quote.
(13:47):
I just want you to give an analysis of what
you thought of Georgie's general competitiveness in a race that's
still embargoed.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But how did you go?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I mean, I love competitiveness in every sense as soon
as I saw Georgie and ram I was like, oh,
these guys be in business.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Likely.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I can tell when someone's competitive. There's just like this
little glint that comes in their eyes as soon as
they're given a task to do, and it's like, I'm
going to do this better than everyone else, and I'm going.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
To do a really good job.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And like I could just see that in Georgie so strongly,
and I love seeing it.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
It gives me like so much joy. When I see
that in someone else, I'm like, oh, here we go,
Like we've found another one.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
She's strawberry cauked shortcake until she'll cut you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right, that's right, and you have to be you
got to fight.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
You gotta fight.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
What's the points race here? To like make friends?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
So we actually are like that's like that's the nicest
thing even about like international competition for me is that
like I've made really good friends doing it and we'd
be like super good friends. And then you walk out
behind the blocks and it's like I will try. I'm like,
I'm going to destroy your dream.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I wish she only had Like literally it's brutal, but
you've got to have that like come on and I
can like tell when people have that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
And like a super lovely and nice and then like
like they will trip you with the finish line, Georgie.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I will not disclose whether or not I did trip anyone.
You'll just have to watch come September. But Bronti, the
last time that we saw each other, we were in
a redacted country, at a redacted time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
In a redacted part of maybe we are redacted.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Oh, I'm good. Thanks, I'm good. I'm much better than
I wasn't redacted. No, I'm going well.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Enjoying enjoying being back in Sydney and the Sydney winter.
I actually love it so much. So enjoying that and
getting back into like normalish life.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
How would you How would you describe your normalish life
right now when it comes to swimming in particular, Where
are you standing with it at the moment.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, So, I'm like, I'm taking this year off of
competing and proper training. I'm still doing complementary training, so
I do things like ocean ski, which is like a long,
skinny kayak thing. So that's like really good cross body
training for me, Lots of flexibility training, all of that
sort of stuff, but taking this year away from competing internationally,
(16:18):
which was really necessary for me to have a break.
I did this after the Tokyo Olympics as well, took
that following year off. I took eighteen months off and
then had an eighteen month lead into the next Olympics.
So really taking this year to like get the body
back in good shape. Like it's you think elite sport
is good for you, it's like so so bad for your.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Body or for me personally.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like in training, we do about nineteen thousand swim strokes
a week, and I've been doing that since I was
about thirteen, So like there's just so many parts of
my body that don't love doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
So it needs to like at the moment, an I'm
a bit older in the sport, I.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Need to cycle in and out of those really intense
periods and give it something else to focus on for
a while.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, same nineteen thousand and one strokes. I do Bronti,
but we're we're not raising.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's all the point.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
When you say, when you say complimentary training, my brain
went to no, you're great, No, you're great, which probably
gives your reason as to why I'll never be a
great athlete and or swimmer. But I actually remember Bronti
and you would have been in a haze then, but
it was post Rio, how we actually met on the
steps of the Opera house and you had literally only
just come back from the games all of twenty four hours,
(17:28):
and you're there for a brand And I just remember
going the expectation that we put on our athletes to
show up and be shining all the time when you
must just be exhausted. And you mentioned there how rigorous
your training's been and how long you've been doing it.
There's a fatigue that comes with being an elite athlete,
particularly in a sport like swimming that we're hearing a
lot of athletes talking about, and like Kallie McEwan only
(17:51):
speaking about it recently, saying that she's had a bit
of a hangover since Paris about getting back to the
love of swimming. How do you keep in love with
the sport that takes so much much from you.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, it's really great that we're hearing people talk about
this and that we're able to have a platform that
you can talk about it. I felt like, particularly when
I was growing up, that it wasn't a narrative that
I heard a lot, and it wasn't something that you
could say without being a winger.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Or a complainer.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And what no one really prepares you for is you think,
if you go to an Olympic Games and you don't
achieve what you want there, that you're going to be
disappointed afterwards, and you expect to feel low afterwards. What
nobody prepares you for is if you go to an
Olympic Games and you achieve everything you want, you still
feel very low afterwards. There's this sort of hangover that
(18:37):
happens when you have such a high intensity environment and
you're achieving these really great goals, and then you get
to the other side of it and your life has
been pretty unbalanced, Like there's nobody who's completing it at
the highest level whose life is completely in balance for
that time. It's just not possible. The sport demands so
much of you to succeed, and so you get to
(18:59):
the other side. You're looking around at your life and
you're like sort of like, now what you see this
actually all the time in particularly like the performing arts,
and suddenly they're unhappy and they're like, oh, like I
thought that this would fix something or like an achievement
would fill some void in you, and it really doesn't.
(19:20):
And so when you find out that the fix that
you've been chasing for years is the incorrect one, it
can be quite confronting. And I'm definitely not saying that
that's Kaylee's position, but the ability to just keep on
performing at a high level, like you're only as good
as your last race. There's no guarantees, particularly in swimming,
which is not a team sport, and it's very much
(19:43):
built on like the times that you're swimming, and that's
like so objective, and the clock just doesn't lie like.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
And you've just got to keep on showing up.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And like for us it looks like thirty to forty
hours of training a week, Like I'm at the pool
when I'm.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
In training, I'm there seven hours a day.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So it's a full time it's a full time occupation.
And then to step onto the other side of that
can be quite disorientating. So I really love that we're
having these discussions about it.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
For me, what is it.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
About sibning that keeps me coming back? I think it's
just it's like a very there's something inside of me
that gets expressed very purely through swimming. I think there's
this pursuit of excellence.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The winning. I think it's winning. I think it's I
think good, it's been the best, the best.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
In the world. Things.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I probably I've won a
lot of my career, but I've probably like quote unquote
lost a lot. More like there's there's honestly something about
the pursuit of it that I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And that's sort of what Kate's been saying as well.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
She's like, I trained for like decades of my life
to improve by point zero one or point one of
a second over what was my chosen distance. But we've
heard this and that narrative so often, where you've heard
Roger Federer say I actually lost more points than I won,
but everyone.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Just remembers the glory.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Or you've got Scotti Scheffler being like, yeah, golf, you
lose a lot. Like these are people that are at
the absolute peak of their games, but as casual observers,
you get to world chams, So you get to Olympics
and we're like, cool, where's that gold, who's it coming from? Like,
rather than realizing just the punishment that must happen to
get to that pinnacle every four every two years.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You say Bronti that there was a point where you're like,
the clock doesn't lie right and you can you can
see and everyone can see exactly how you did. Have
you ever finished a race and you're staring at those
numbers and you're like, you're lying, I was so good
just then.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
There's definitely races where you turn around and you're like,
that is a joke, Like that is definitely like whether
it's like fim or something and it hurts so much
and you're like, that's a lie, like that, like someone
is playing an actual joke on me.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
There there's definitely those swims.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
There's also the flip side of that, where you turn
around you're like, oh, it's so much better than I thought.
So you get get kind of both. But like, normally
I'm actually pretty good. Like normally I can like pick
in a meat leading up like basically what time I'm
going to go? But every now and again you get
surprised and you're like, oh, well that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What recalibrates you out of the pool. You know, you've
had those periods and those long periods of time where.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You are just off kilter, How do you recenter?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, that's like sort of been quite a long process
for me, And like the answer is in purpose and
relationships for me.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
So I have my own business. I run it.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
It's like very purpose driven and purpose led, so's there's
something to focus on that's sort of bigger than myself.
And then relationships wise, like I've always been involved in
like helping the younger swimmers and being involved and in
that way, so sort of and it sort of gives
you like something extra outside of the pool. And then
(22:52):
like honestly, just the very close people to me, friends
and family that give you something that show you that
it's just such a bubble, Like at the end of
the day, it's swimming up and down a body of
water and it's not life and death, and there's so
much more world than living to do outside of that.
And so like all of the closest people in my
(23:13):
life have nothing to do with swimming or sport, and
I really value that because it helps you have a
bit more of a perspective, which like the Olympics is
so important to me. But I might run into someone
on the street and they're like, oh, like I don't
when where are the Olympics?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Were they? Were they this year? I'm like no, Like,
how do you not know where? This is?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Like what's been marked in my calendar for my whole life.
And so it's nice to be like, oh yeah, there's
like a whole of the world out there, and that's like,
that's a nice perspective.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's nice to take your head outside the bubble sometimes.
And I love the idea that people you surround yourself
with people that love Bronchy the person, not Brounchy the swimmer,
and it helps you discern between who those two people are.
But tell us a little bit about your business. Go on,
you've got a platform, tell us about it. How do
we support you.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I have a sustainable active web business. It's called Athletica.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Awesome, it looks great.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Dear listeners, Can I just say yo to the Instagram
right now and follows amazing?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yep, Dad, jump on, please give.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Us the follow and we've got your product dropping really soon.
I'm really really proud of this. It's it's looking at
doing something better in the active workspace.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It's it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, it sounds unbelievable. Yeah, how awesome. Especially when
you're talking about world first. My question immediately is it
is it active? Where for people who are active or
people getting lattes? Like is there a hoodie involved or
do I need to be hitting the gym?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Give me, give me a genre. Who's your target market?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
We got a little tracky for you, Yeah, do you want?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
But it's really for the active girlies that are at
the gym at.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
The time, like for sustained.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, you know your market, babe, you know your market.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Well, Like anyone can wear it, but like to get
stretch and compression, like typically you can't get that from
a natural fiber, so like your hemps and your bamboos
can't really do that. And maybe you can wear hemp
and bamboo when you're doing like a yin pilates or
like in yoga sorry session, but when you're like really
sweating hard like it unfortunately as a fabric doesn't cut it.
(25:07):
So I wanted something that was going to get me
through an Olympic level workout and be more sustainable. And
that's like that's the bar that the product's got it
clear before it comes out.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would like someone to get me through an Olympic.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Can I just say as well, just in terms of
your target audience.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This is a true story.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And we can't say too much about the amazing race
because Bronti and I'll both get killed probably, But you
were wearing some of your athleticer pieces when we were
staying in redacted places, and I remember coming up to
you being.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Like, what is this that you're wearing? Where have you
got this from?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Because I don't know if I've mentioned this before. I
used to swim and I was like, oh my god, this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I could look great in this. This is something that
I want, and Bronti just like, it's my brand.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
What, that's just one legs up from my border in Europe.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Exactly I made it?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, exactly, Oh, I created it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I now a modeling it like it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It looks amazing as well, So not only is it supportive,
but it looks brilliant.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And they do say it's so important to have something
outside of I think when you work in industries where
some things are in your control, but they're not like swimming,
and you know one day swimming will move beyond you.
And we know that in our life. One minute you
got a job, next minute, not so much. It's nice
to have something that is yours and that you know
that you can build and that you can keep for yourself.
(26:27):
But when you look at swimming as a career and
as a career choice, and if you're looking at young
bronte choosing to go down this path, if you were
to look at someone of that age, now, what do
you hope that Swimming in Australia and Swimming Australia have
put in place to help that person grow and support
them financially as well. Because we've heard so much and
(26:47):
we've been lucky enough to have Harry Garside come on
the pod where we're like, hey mate, what about La
And he's like, I've got to think about the finances
of my family and I'm like, wait, you need to
and you're a household name. I think it's glazed over
so much how much our Olympic athletes really struggle financially
just to support themselves and we as Australians expect glory.
(27:07):
What in the swimming fraternity would you like to see
change so that that young bronche that might be coming
through now can perhaps have a different trajectory if they
have your level of success.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, I think like swimming is one of the most
well funded sports because we're one of the most successful sports.
So the government provides funding to Olympic sports and it's
based on the metal tally of the sport basically as
to how much funding they get. So, like a lot
of the high performance pathways that are into swimming are
(27:37):
quite well established because we've had such a long history
of performing really well. That doesn't mean that that money
goes directly to athletes, Like that's for like the sports
to use in performance spaces.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
So I just think that.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
People don't really understand that, like when you're pursuing Olympic sport,
it's not for money reasons at all. Like when I
stepped up away from the sport and I was working
at EY doing business consulting, and a grad level position
at EY was paying more than more than I was
getting paid when I was top three in the world.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Sorry, you're in the well funded sport.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, I am. I am.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Which is why like whenever I talk about this, I
always want to preface it with that, because there's a
lot of Olympic sports that do it even harder, and
people can't stay in it and not have another job.
They need to have another job, so they're having like
a job and then they're doing full time.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Training, which is seven hours a day.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Like it's just it's pretty wild that we have that,
and anyone that's pursuing Olympics in particular, they're doing it
because they love it and they have this really big
dream and they're just they're obsessed with it. And to
be able to keep that as you get later in
your career is harder if you don't have fun and
stuff alongside of that. When you're playing professional sport, you
(29:04):
get these contracts and you get a bit more certainty
in your life. Swimming, it's like if you don't perform
at the trials that year, at that one meet, at
that one time, then like everything's gone for the whole year.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Like we're not on a we're not on a contract.
It's like literally no certainty. Watchould we go to a bank.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
And they're like, oh, so, where's your I don't even
know what you're talking about. Like I've never had a
payslip in my life. They're like, where's your employment contract?
I'm like, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Oh my, I've not even thought about that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You got to get a home loan and you're like, yeah,
but my times you indicate if you would see that,
I'll qualify for this.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Do you just bring in your medals? Are you just
like how sorry? What does this get me?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And you're like, I'm aware they're not solid gold they
changed that in nineteen oh one, but if you could
pretend they were, what does the board me get me?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I haven't tried that yet.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
That's what we're here to do, Bronzie. We're the big
ideas on this podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Idea Can you just imagine we try it?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We would try it. I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Then let's put some of that spotlight then on the
team as it is right now. And look some of
the names that are becoming household names. It has to
be said, U Kaylee's, you're Molo Callahan's. The World Championships
are going on right now. I know that you would
be following them. What's been your review to date so far?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
This is such an interesting World Champs. It's on right now.
You can still watch it for the rest of the week.
We're halfway through. And what I love about the World
Champs after an Olympics, it is the most chaotic world
Tip like it's just people are all over the place.
You've got like the people that were successful last year
in Paris. You've got people that trained super hard for Paris.
(30:40):
Maybe they were sick or injured when it came around,
maybe they just didn't step up and perform their where
they wanted to. But they've done all the training and
they're now like out with something to prove. And then
you've got like the new people stepping in because a
lot of people retire straight after an Olympics, so there's
just like chaotic mix of like different people from all
over the world in all different st ages of their journey.
(31:01):
And this is what happens the first year of our
four year Olympic cycle, which is fort Championships. It's been
really cool to see is like our team is the
most number of rookies that we've had for sort of
the last ten years, and they've really stepped up and performed.
And for me, I was looking at this team before
they went into the championships being like, well, this is
a this is a big rebuilding year for us, and
(31:22):
expecting that we would maybe have some people making finals
and semi finals, but that the medals might not be
as high as as in previous years, because we have
all these new people in there, and then we've got
people like Harrison Turner, who's I would guess that not
everyone's heard of Harrison, and he just won bronze in
the two hundred butterfly out of late eight, having just
(31:45):
scraped into the final in that final spot that you
can get there's only eight people in a final bronze, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
you got Alex Perkson moving bronze in the one hundred butterfly,
and like Alex came thirteenth at the Olympics last year,
she stepped up ten places in the world in a
year and dropped her time by almost a full second.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Like this is like the cool exciting thing is like.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Seeing these new names and faces coming through and knowing
that the next end of the sport are really are
really stepping up. So I've really enjoyed watching that and
enjoyed seeing it, and there's there's still so much more
to carments. Like I think, as you were talking about
Molly and Kaylee their particular, both of them have talked
about how much pressure they feel to not only succeed once,
(32:27):
but to keep on succeeding and keep on finding love
for the sport.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
So it's been great to see them.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Both swimming fast again, Kaylee swimming a personal best time
and one hundred backstroke.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
And dislocating her shoulder. Oh yeah, I hear. Shelders quite
important for.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Backstroke, partly. Molly o Callahan dislocated a knee not that
long ago.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, women.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Just pop it back in.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And I have no idea, but like Simmith's joints are
just not very not very secure.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's because you loosen them all the time. Ronnie, I
have a moment to settle. Just movement for seven hours
a night.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But no, we do mention Kaylee and just she's achieved
in backstroke. No athlete in the world has ever for
her to speak so candidly. And we speak about Molly
and Kaylee. They're very different personality types. You've got Molly
who's been pitted up against Arnie for so long, and
Arnie was this all conquering, like literally the terminator, like
I've got this cool calm collected, and Molly is us.
(33:26):
And she would get out of the pool and be like,
I just don't know what happened there, Like it was
just all.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Feeling and yet they're champions in their own right.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Is it amazing to you to see these different personalities
that can then just turn it on and perform.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
That's my favorite thing about swimming and listening to people's stories.
There's no one way to be successful. And like I
used to read books and like listen to people talk
and be like okay, cool, Like that's how they got
to success, Like I should do that, And that's not
how it works in real life. Like You've got to
find your own way to leverage the things that you've
got and lean into your strengths. And that's what I
(34:02):
love is like there's no one true track.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Like whenever I.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Talk to jong swimmers or even to corporates, like I say, like,
this is what worked for me, But it's only going
to be an element of that that you're going to
be able to take for yourself because everybody's so entirely
different and there's more than one mindset, more than one personality.
And my actual favorite thing about the Olympics is you
look walk around the Olympic village. There's fourteen thousand athletes there.
(34:26):
You've got everyone from Simone Biles, who's what five foot Yeah,
so like Yao Ming, who is like seven foot two,
and like every body shape and size in between, Like
it's it doesn't matter what body or mind or personality
you're born into.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
There's kind of a sport that's perfect for you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, now you mentioned Simon Biles, who's the coolest person
you met in the village? Name drop hard? You can
have ten? Here are there people that you've met and
you're like hi, because we do that all the time.
Is it you're one of them?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
For us?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So who have you met? So we can have one
degree in separation?
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Who's always in the village?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
The dolls always in the village, which is awesome, Like
lots of the more high profile athletes that have more
money stay out of the village because like it's pretty
rudimentary accommodation.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I would say, like man of the people, ye.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Always stops for photos.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
With people, which I think is so wonderful, Like he
would have to spend so much extra time getting from
A to B.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
He stopped all the time.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
So that like us being like.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
He's like I'm late for my match, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You're like, you're gonna win, babe, It's fine. Get the shot.
If we're talking about names in sport. How terrified as
Australians should we be of Summer Macintosh?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah, she's an incredible athlete, Like she qualified for the
Olympics in Tokyo and was almost too young to compete.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Like fourteen.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Cly just made the age limit for the Canadian teams.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And made the final at fourteen, didn't she.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild and she's got such a
future ahead of her if she chooses to stay in
the sport. But like, it's weird to be talking about
this future ahead of her when she's already world record
holder in multiple events looking at winning four individual gold medals.
That's her, That's what she said, is what she's chasing
in in Singapore at the World Champs at the moment.
(36:25):
Should we be afraid of her? No, we shouldn't be
afraid of her. She's lovely. But it's definitely cool to
see someone stepping up and taking the some events to
like the next level, especially events that haven't had like
huge excitement and world records around them in recent years.
So that's like sort of like the two hundred i
AM and the four undred IM like for the last
(36:47):
few years, there hasn't been like heaps of progression there,
and then you're seeing this progression come through and the.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I am as in for those who don't follows, that
individual individual medley is basically like, Hi, I'm good at everything.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, let me show you how could I am at everything?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I can't even It's like, just explain how hard the
four hundred meter individual medley is. And you want to
say it's like a two hundred butterfly, Like I just disgusting.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Yeah, and she does all the worst events a butterfly
four hundred, the worst ones, like I stick to fifty meters.
But she's she's a tough cookie and really cool to see,
Like I just love seeing Fasting and like we love
Canadians as well.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
They're always so super nice.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
She's nice and great thing she's hideous, Yeah, as as
I saw her?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Is that? Ai? What do you mean you look like
that when you just took your goggles off?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We can love them bronze until we're standing next to
them behind the blocks, and then we want to crush
their dreams.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah, dream crush as soon as we can't mind the.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Outside of that.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think that's I think that we team needs a
rebread But no longer the dolphins or the dream crushes.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Why cannot pass the dream crushes? That's it would be.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I've literally already thought of it. It's a cloud with
a like an axe.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I mean that's only the first.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I mean the boxing kangaroos quivering, quivering at losing, the australianding.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
At least that's still a fighting animal. It's still gonna
hurt you.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
That's terrifying. That's literally the stuff of horror movies, a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
See, that's how you get it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Get in there, get in the head.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Where does your head go?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Is the question?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh Brontie, you're just absolutely divine and I'm so thrilled
that we could get you on the pod.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We'll obviously have you back whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
To come on, please come on, just hang out with us,
and just very very quickly. I know you're taking the
year off. So what is the next six months looking
like for you? What are you most excited about?
Speaker 6 (38:54):
In the pool?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Like, not very much out of the pool. What excites
me is like, apart from my business, all the little things,
like I'm making a lot of stuff out of like
clay and pottery.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
At the moment, I've.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Got a set of mugs that I need to make
from a big sister, all engraved with the date that
she got engaged on on the back.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
So, yay, are you brads made of you? Needs to
go look for dresses, are you? I was like, it's
so exciting.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'll get to look for dresses with her. She came
and looked for dresses with me. I'm supposed to be
wedding planning.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Georgie, how's your you can see you can see.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I pointedly didn't ask you that because I was like
when people ask me, I'm I've not done anything. I've
not done anything, and I'm like you and your gorgeous
fiance Benfield, we adore him, and.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Your ring's really cool, Yes, says total fan gel Here.
I remember. I remember seeing your ring and being like, damn.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's cool, like you, she got taste.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Well, I had nothing to do with it, to be honest.
That was all Benfield, so past on the compliment.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
But Georgie, I brought that up because like, I've also
done to her wedding planning, and maybe in the next
six months I might try to get my act together.
So that's like our outside of sports and business those
are the things I'm looking at mugs and maybe trying
to find some sort of wedding plan.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Georgie doesn't know this, but the two of us are
going to do a two for one at the courthouse.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Witness mind Rob can sing, we'll meet in the middle.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Actually sounds divine, actually sounds divine.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Great.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds so good. Brontie Campbell, thank you
so much, Thank you so.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Much, and congratulations as well.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
In the engagement. We're excited for the plans. We know
they're coming along swimmingly.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
That's fun, very good. I'll dive right into that.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Okay, so fun fact before we get into the fun fact, Jelly.
Not too many people know this, but the first time
when we're on the race and you don't know who
you're up against because they keep you separated, They keep
you isolated, and they're.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Very secretive about it that you don't see this group.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, very very purposeful. You're not allowed. They want that
reaction ties down a prize and you're like, oh my god,
I'm competing. That was never more evident.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Than when Robert and I first laid eyes upon Bronti
and Benfield.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
We were lining up, and I'm just like it was
in trans and all this, and I just take a
little glance and I was like, holy shit, it's Brontie Campbell.
And I remember because I was insane, my brain wasn't working.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I was like, what's she doing here? And then I
was like and I turned to Robert. As you know,
the domino started to fall, and I turned to Robert
and I went, we are.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Not where, we are no where. Bronnie Campbell is here. God.
So I really handled it well.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So it's really quite wonderful that there's.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Just very few people I know that Brontie Campbell, Oh,
would have such a deep seated effect on it, because
I know that you're adulphored and the thought of you being.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Like Robert, wait, you may as well run down. What
if we have to swim between countries? What are we
gonna don't? Is that your fun fact? That is?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's that's part of it, part of it.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
This is my other half of the fun fact two
for the price of one.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It is a swimming theme.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Still one of our other favorite swimmers remains to this day,
Alexi Leary.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Oh, she's a.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Singer, she is, and this is her first single, fun Fact.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Can you feel the panic comment?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I'm sorry? Isn't she a superstard?
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Didn't she have a new DJ?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Name's called Lex Leary as opposed.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
To Alex Alexa. She missed a trick there, Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Oh Alexa.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Probably probably been copyrighted.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
It actually may be, but look that is so we
know how much music means to her and is how
it's in her story as an athlete and as a person.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And I just think Fun Fact wonderful to see good
humans doing. It's about all things. It's a bop. It's
a bop. What in the early two thousands vibe was
that we're old enough?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I was like, when was the last of my twenty club?
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Great?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Cool? Yeah it was? It was fun three decades unreal.
We love Brondie Campbell.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Bronie Campbell loves you clearly, and we've confirmed that you're
a dolphin, which is all you hope to achieve from
this episode.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
So thank you. Until next week, Biggest Book,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's another week. I'm Georgie Toney.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
And I'm Abby Jelmy. And do you know, Georgie that
if we were on Fox Footy right now, we'd be
okay to this point because we haven't used nicknames, but
they have brought in it.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm coming in hot with a tape.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
They have brought in new rule that you know, allaw
to use nicknames in the broadcast because they were getting
too familiar.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Stop it. So hang on. I'm trying to think of
my head.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
John Dermo, like g gazz.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Or like I don't know, I couldn't call you Jelmy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Well, I have no idea, but it has set a
light to the football world, being like the fabric of
this nation is putting an O on the end of
someone's name.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
In any yep.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So when they introduce Jonathan Brown, I want to know,
are they going to call him Jonathan for the rest
of the game and not Brownie or Betty Yet good
take dermit, pardon.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
This is fascinating to me because I can understand principally,
like on principle, what they're trying to get at, because
as someone who has watched a lot of broadcasts in
their life humble brag I do. Sometimes if I'm experiencing
a sport for the first time, I'll be like, I
have no idea what you're talking about or who you're
talking to.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
So a freewolt's rue You're like, pardon the game. I
just don't know who you're a fer.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Especially when it's not obviously iteration to rusholds pipes.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, like I know this, but the average person to
be like, what's wrong with the pipe?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I would argue though, that everyone would eventually get to
know that. It only takes two or three games of
you know, meeting the commentary team, but there would be
that initial impediment I think, to being like, ah, I'm
not part of this club. I hate not necessarily nicknames.
I don't don't love when there's very very in joke.
(02:04):
I agree with you joke in the commentary. Anything that's
happened off screen shouldn't be brought on screen.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, you need the viewer at time needs to feel
like they're a part of it. But I will ask
you this as two people that started out when we
came to our respective roles in different times in our lives,
quite junior, was there anything so warm as when someone
you deeply respected called you a nickname on air?
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:25):
No, I love it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Nothing has ever felt better than someone going thanks Abs,
and You're like, thank you, Rehy Ponting what, thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Best friend, Bruce, thank you what?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Like, Like, it's true, there was there was a moment
when they when they use something that's even the slightest
term of endearment like great question, Abs, and you're like,
just put it in the loof.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I don't know how you put audio in.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
The loover, but I feel like a better Like those
moments can mean so much to you as well?
Speaker 6 (02:51):
True?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
True, have you though experienced?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Because I have the opposite where you go full with
a nickname that you've just given someone that may not
sully be theirs. But let's for argument's sake, let's say
I'm talking to someone called Gabby and I've said thanks Gabs,
and then they've gone yes, so it's Gabby.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And I also like I hate Gabs like, no one
calls me gabs.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, And I'm like, oh yeah, and that's so you there.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Every time you go again, you're like yeah, although you'd
be like.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Thanks, g banger, you would give it such aggression and
then afterwards be like, shame spiral, Why did Why did
I lean in with that? Was that on National TV?
I'm so sorry, Gaps. Can I send you flowers to
apologize for what I did?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
That's what you would.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's actually true. It's actually true.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I have made many phone calls previously to just different
people that I'm trying to interview and I've never spoken
to them before in my life, and I'll be like,
oh my god, Simon, hey.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
How are you And he's like, sorry, do I know? No,
Maybe there's rules for me. Maybe Fox Footy has brought
it in for people like Mane. Interesting. Okay, okay, that's
a reckoning that I'll deal with. I'll deal with off.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm going to keep on with the AFL theme about
things that you can say to mates or things that
you can say in jest and you get away with yes,
there was an instance during the week, and if you
haven't heard it, I'm going to play the audio, and
I'm so interested as to whether you think good sport
of badsport. Okay, Tom Papley's got a little bit to
say the first half just there a little bit of
(04:23):
feeling this one.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
He's looking over a way and see how we go
second half?
Speaker 6 (04:27):
My good luck.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
That is the one the only Toby Green doing a
mid game interview. It was halftime with Dicko from Fox
Footy as he was formerly known.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
See there you go. I'm thinking in Dicko Dixon from Australian.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Idols, what's he doing on the football field?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
There I go.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
But it was Toby Green being interviewed about one Tom Papley,
who had just kicked a goal and got up in
his grill. So there were layers to this and he's
arguably the biggest aggravator in the game, Tom Papley, and
perhaps has since come out and basically said, I love
it for the game.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
If you're going to dish it out, you got to
take it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
When you heard those comments for the first time, George,
did you go.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Or both? I did both.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
It was a oh anna hah. It was honestly both
because I was like ah and then I was like ha,
what a sledge like I am someone who we know,
we know, dear listener loves a grub, loves a grub.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I love a grub. I love a bit of banter.
I love a sledge. I love a sledge. Is that
going too far?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would argue no, because I think that there is
enough animosity, good natured banter between Papley and Green, Like
are they going to tear each other apart on the
football field the next time they see each other?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Probably?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Probably, But as a fan, I'm already I'm already circling
that bean, like, can't wait for that match.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I'm not going to talk about the fact that Toby
Green did the one two three kick at Dane Rampy
and missed him, which means that he can't be suspended,
but that action looked terrible. But I will say the
interactions that I've had Toby Green the person. He's sensational, yes,
which is why I'm like, oh, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
But then have you seen it's such a like for
like like everything that makes Toby Green that grub, Tom
Pathley meets him in every single area.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
This is the battle of the grubs.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
This is the.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Battle of the grubs.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Like put it into my veins, like this is the
stuff that I love.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I love it?
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Is it.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Bizarrely sexist that if this was out the netball prelim,
if they're doing a walk off interview with one of
the Vixen's players talking about the Swifts and they go, oh,
what do you think and they go, oh, she's looking
a bit overweightless, I would be like, I.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Would go Korea band Korea.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Because thou shall not shame. So you don't know hormonally
where she is.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that is me being hypocritical, but hey, but he is.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Where soone it's so unfair that we're like, oh, well
if that as a woman, Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I'd be like, oh, and yes it's Tom Papley And
I'm like, skin folds, Like that's unfair.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Right, yeah, I mean I guess I mean Tom Papley. Also,
I think, haven't haven't the Swan's taken this narrative as
well now and they've released a video of him getting
his skin folds.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I haven't seen the post. I've only seen him. He
did an interview where he's He's like.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I love it, they love it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I hope I hope that nothing like I deeply respect
Toby Green. If I he actually said, if I was
a viewer or like just a fan, he'd be my
favorite player.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, okay, see see, so he's.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Probably realizing he was the antagonizer and everyone saw that
he was like the bully being bullied, and he's like,
just let's step back.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, it's it is one of those ones where it
actually it would mean something completely different in the women's game.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
We think you'd see it, You wouldn't. You just wouldn't
see it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
We also saw it in women's cricket, as in at
the the Women's Ashes at the start of this year
where they had one of the commentator basically come out
and go, look, I just think they're unfit.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah. But that was a genuine assessment and.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Everyone was like whoa, oh, yes, because it.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Wasn't a sledge. It was actually like, you know, they've
got all.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Less an actual analysis of their game.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, whereas I think I think because it was tongue
in cheek, yeah, it does sit a little bit differently.
But I just again, we were talking about it before
we went on air on how we're going to cover it,
and I was like, as a woman, can I just
say how completely hypocritical it is that if this was
a girl, I'd be like, absolutely not. But because it's paply,
I'm like, ah, but anyway, there might. That's my double
(08:29):
whammy nicknames and the Green team.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Strong from You, Strong from You, I would argue, oh,
half bad, half good sports, both of them, both of them.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I think I'm their sports. They're sports.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I have just a very quickly eat because we've got
to get to an incredible guest this episode, I am
going to give just a little shout out to a
good sport, which is the Wallabies and rugby in this country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
We have given it a fair freaking whack over the
years of this podcast. Just for for.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Your visual ears listeners, Jelmy has adorned a jersey, not
in the typical fashion. She's sitting across from me wearing
it above her.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Head like a hat.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
It has to take my headphones on to actually put
it on. The very gold, very very gold green Wallabies guernsey. Yeah,
that one feel war was kind enough to give to me.
So thank you, Phil.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Are you saying is this you being You're fully on board?
I'm gonna say it is a great sport. It's wonderful
that there was like one hundred thousand people there at
the g to see them against the British and Irish Lions.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
God I wish they were so it was the refs
call in the seventy ninth minute after the Wallabies led
for seventy nine minutes, was both without reason or romanticism.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Go to a decider, so it's so go to it.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They arrived at the same time. I don't bloody think
they did. Joe Schmidt knows a little bit about rugby.
He also doesn't think they did. What do you mean?
Also like, if you've gotta protect the head, protect the head,
disallow the try protect the game. Let August to be
a decider and say rugby in this country, what is
(10:15):
wrong with you? I don't know enough about the game
to be this outrage by what was a shit decision.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
I actually cannot describe, dear listener.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm usually the unhinged one on this podcast, and gently
has seen those hinges and she's.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Blown them off.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'm also wearing red, so I feel like it's really
abjectivity for mine.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
The British and Irish lines are all conquering.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
At the start of their tour, where they were taking
on super rugby sides, they were getting to the half
tone they're getting pissy points and we all sat back
and went what And especially after game one, the term
gallant loss was used to refer to the Wallabies, and
rugby fans in this country were like, well, put.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Us in the bend. Now we're accepting gallant losses. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And then what the Wallabies were able to do taking
on the British Irish Lions, I think not only does
rugby in this country have a pulse that it's alive.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I agree, and we bashed.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The hell out of it for the first two years
doing this point and right now on that.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
On that, I just think that the game itself, I
don't want to ruin the whole fabric of it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So don't at me, all Union fans. I'm with you,
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But honestly, if you just have the scores close enough
and you have possession in that last minute, you are
going to win, even if you're behind. So as soon
as it entered the seventy ninth minute and the British
and Irish Lions were in the Wallabies half, I'm like,
they're going to have seventy eight plays. There's no way
that they're not going to score and take this away.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
From them, and that's what happened. And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, but still a wonderful spectacle. It's been
so great to see all of the touring fans as well.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's a vibe. It's a vibe and for rugby in Australia,
that is a win.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
It's a vibe.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You also know that it's rugby when you're at entrecote
and there's fans everywhere, and I'm like, this is when
you know it's private school boys, because I do.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
There's not often guernseys at this place at a lunch.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I thoroughly enjoy when the players interact with the referees.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Sir, sir, sir, sir, please please can you hear me, sir, sir? Also, sir, sir,
they're doing that.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
He started it, sir, genuinely, that was well he started it, sir.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yep, so he's doing that, did you see, sir?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
We better move on, sir, because we have a great
guest today, great guest standing back.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Tell me on this podcast. We know I love an intro.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
We also know I love a fact and I would
say that it's scientific fact that a lot of Queenslanders,
dare I say, a lot of Australians, except for you can.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Swim before they can walk.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Alas though not all of them can swim as well
as our guest.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Today.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
They often say, don't meet your heroes, never meet them,
and I am so beyond happy that that is not
the case with one of my absolute idols growing up
and now one of my great friends.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Bronti Campbell. Welcome to Doo Goods.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Hello, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Now, Brontie, this is a treat And if I was
more professional, I would have gone back and found the audio.
But the first interview that we had with George after
she came back from one amazing race, she was like, oh,
the experience is great. Did I mention that I'm now
friends with Brontie Campbell? And we had to swim at
some point and I looked across and I was like, ah,
a fellow dolphin like recognizes, Like that's a direct quote.
(13:47):
I just want you to give an analysis of what
you thought of Georgie's general competitiveness in a race that's
still embargoed.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But how did you go?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I mean, I love competitiveness in every sense as soon
as I saw Georgie and ram I was like, oh,
these guys be in business.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Likely.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
I can tell when someone's competitive. There's just like this
little glint that comes in their eyes as soon as
they're given a task to do, and it's like, I'm
going to do this better than everyone else, and I'm going.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
To do a really good job.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
And like I could just see that in Georgie so strongly,
and I love seeing it.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
It gives me like so much joy. When I see
that in someone else, I'm like, oh, here we go,
Like we've found another one.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
She's strawberry cauked shortcake until she'll cut you.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right, that's right, and you have to be you
got to fight.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
You gotta fight.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
What's the points race here? To like make friends?
Speaker 5 (14:41):
So we actually are like that's like that's the nicest
thing even about like international competition for me is that
like I've made really good friends doing it and we'd
be like super good friends. And then you walk out
behind the blocks and it's like I will try. I'm like,
I'm going to destroy your dream.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I wish she only had Like literally it's brutal, but
you've got to have that like come on and I
can like tell when people have that.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
And like a super lovely and nice and then like
like they will trip you with the finish line, Georgie.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I will not disclose whether or not I did trip anyone.
You'll just have to watch come September. But Bronti, the
last time that we saw each other, we were in
a redacted country, at a redacted time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
In a redacted part of maybe we are redacted.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
How are you?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Oh, I'm good. Thanks, I'm good. I'm much better than
I wasn't redacted. No, I'm going well.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Enjoying enjoying being back in Sydney and the Sydney winter.
I actually love it so much. So enjoying that and
getting back into like normalish life.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
How would you How would you describe your normalish life
right now when it comes to swimming in particular, Where
are you standing with it at the moment.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Yeah, So, I'm like, I'm taking this year off of
competing and proper training. I'm still doing complementary training, so
I do things like ocean ski, which is like a long,
skinny kayak thing. So that's like really good cross body
training for me, Lots of flexibility training, all of that
sort of stuff, but taking this year away from competing internationally,
(16:18):
which was really necessary for me to have a break.
I did this after the Tokyo Olympics as well, took
that following year off. I took eighteen months off and
then had an eighteen month lead into the next Olympics.
So really taking this year to like get the body
back in good shape. Like it's you think elite sport
is good for you, it's like so so bad for your.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Body or for me personally.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like in training, we do about nineteen thousand swim strokes
a week, and I've been doing that since I was
about thirteen, So like there's just so many parts of
my body that don't love doing that.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
So it needs to like at the moment, an I'm
a bit older in the sport, I.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Need to cycle in and out of those really intense
periods and give it something else to focus on for
a while.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, same nineteen thousand and one strokes. I do Bronti,
but we're we're not raising.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That's all the point.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
When you say, when you say complimentary training, my brain
went to no, you're great, No, you're great, which probably
gives your reason as to why I'll never be a
great athlete and or swimmer. But I actually remember Bronti
and you would have been in a haze then, but
it was post Rio, how we actually met on the
steps of the Opera house and you had literally only
just come back from the games all of twenty four hours,
(17:28):
and you're there for a brand And I just remember
going the expectation that we put on our athletes to
show up and be shining all the time when you
must just be exhausted. And you mentioned there how rigorous
your training's been and how long you've been doing it.
There's a fatigue that comes with being an elite athlete,
particularly in a sport like swimming that we're hearing a
lot of athletes talking about, and like Kallie McEwan only
(17:51):
speaking about it recently, saying that she's had a bit
of a hangover since Paris about getting back to the
love of swimming. How do you keep in love with
the sport that takes so much much from you.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Yeah, it's really great that we're hearing people talk about
this and that we're able to have a platform that
you can talk about it. I felt like, particularly when
I was growing up, that it wasn't a narrative that
I heard a lot, and it wasn't something that you
could say without being a winger.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Or a complainer.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
And what no one really prepares you for is you think,
if you go to an Olympic Games and you don't
achieve what you want there, that you're going to be
disappointed afterwards, and you expect to feel low afterwards. What
nobody prepares you for is if you go to an
Olympic Games and you achieve everything you want, you still
feel very low afterwards. There's this sort of hangover that
(18:37):
happens when you have such a high intensity environment and
you're achieving these really great goals, and then you get
to the other side of it and your life has
been pretty unbalanced, Like there's nobody who's completing it at
the highest level whose life is completely in balance for
that time. It's just not possible. The sport demands so
much of you to succeed, and so you get to
(18:59):
the other side. You're looking around at your life and
you're like sort of like, now what you see this
actually all the time in particularly like the performing arts,
and suddenly they're unhappy and they're like, oh, like I
thought that this would fix something or like an achievement
would fill some void in you, and it really doesn't.
(19:20):
And so when you find out that the fix that
you've been chasing for years is the incorrect one, it
can be quite confronting. And I'm definitely not saying that
that's Kaylee's position, but the ability to just keep on
performing at a high level, like you're only as good
as your last race. There's no guarantees, particularly in swimming,
which is not a team sport, and it's very much
(19:43):
built on like the times that you're swimming, and that's
like so objective, and the clock just doesn't lie like.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
And you've just got to keep on showing up.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
And like for us it looks like thirty to forty
hours of training a week, Like I'm at the pool
when I'm.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
In training, I'm there seven hours a day.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
So it's a full time it's a full time occupation.
And then to step onto the other side of that
can be quite disorientating. So I really love that we're
having these discussions about it.
Speaker 6 (20:14):
For me, what is it.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
About sibning that keeps me coming back? I think it's
just it's like a very there's something inside of me
that gets expressed very purely through swimming. I think there's
this pursuit of excellence.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
The winning. I think it's winning. I think it's I
think good, it's been the best, the best.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
In the world. Things.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I probably I've won a
lot of my career, but I've probably like quote unquote
lost a lot. More like there's there's honestly something about
the pursuit of it that I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And that's sort of what Kate's been saying as well.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
She's like, I trained for like decades of my life
to improve by point zero one or point one of
a second over what was my chosen distance. But we've
heard this and that narrative so often, where you've heard
Roger Federer say I actually lost more points than I won,
but everyone.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Just remembers the glory.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Or you've got Scotti Scheffler being like, yeah, golf, you
lose a lot. Like these are people that are at
the absolute peak of their games, but as casual observers,
you get to world chams, So you get to Olympics
and we're like, cool, where's that gold, who's it coming from? Like,
rather than realizing just the punishment that must happen to
get to that pinnacle every four every two years.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You say Bronti that there was a point where you're like,
the clock doesn't lie right and you can you can
see and everyone can see exactly how you did. Have
you ever finished a race and you're staring at those
numbers and you're like, you're lying, I was so good
just then.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
There's definitely races where you turn around and you're like,
that is a joke, Like that is definitely like whether
it's like fim or something and it hurts so much
and you're like, that's a lie, like that, like someone
is playing an actual joke on me.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
There there's definitely those swims.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
There's also the flip side of that, where you turn
around you're like, oh, it's so much better than I thought.
So you get get kind of both. But like, normally
I'm actually pretty good. Like normally I can like pick
in a meat leading up like basically what time I'm
going to go? But every now and again you get
surprised and you're like, oh, well that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
What recalibrates you out of the pool. You know, you've
had those periods and those long periods of time where.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
You are just off kilter, How do you recenter?
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Yeah, that's like sort of been quite a long process
for me, And like the answer is in purpose and
relationships for me.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
So I have my own business. I run it.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
It's like very purpose driven and purpose led, so's there's
something to focus on that's sort of bigger than myself.
And then relationships wise, like I've always been involved in
like helping the younger swimmers and being involved and in
that way, so sort of and it sort of gives
you like something extra outside of the pool. And then
(22:52):
like honestly, just the very close people to me, friends
and family that give you something that show you that
it's just such a bubble, Like at the end of
the day, it's swimming up and down a body of
water and it's not life and death, and there's so
much more world than living to do outside of that.
And so like all of the closest people in my
(23:13):
life have nothing to do with swimming or sport, and
I really value that because it helps you have a
bit more of a perspective, which like the Olympics is
so important to me. But I might run into someone
on the street and they're like, oh, like I don't
when where are the Olympics?
Speaker 6 (23:30):
Were they? Were they this year? I'm like no, Like,
how do you not know where? This is?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Like what's been marked in my calendar for my whole life.
And so it's nice to be like, oh yeah, there's
like a whole of the world out there, and that's like,
that's a nice perspective.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's nice to take your head outside the bubble sometimes.
And I love the idea that people you surround yourself
with people that love Bronchy the person, not Brounchy the swimmer,
and it helps you discern between who those two people are.
But tell us a little bit about your business. Go on,
you've got a platform, tell us about it. How do
we support you.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I have a sustainable active web business. It's called Athletica.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Awesome, it looks great.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Dear listeners, Can I just say yo to the Instagram
right now and follows amazing?
Speaker 6 (24:07):
Yep, Dad, jump on, please give.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Us the follow and we've got your product dropping really soon.
I'm really really proud of this. It's it's looking at
doing something better in the active workspace.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
It's it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I mean, it sounds unbelievable. Yeah, how awesome. Especially when
you're talking about world first. My question immediately is it
is it active? Where for people who are active or
people getting lattes? Like is there a hoodie involved or
do I need to be hitting the gym?
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Give me, give me a genre. Who's your target market?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
We got a little tracky for you, Yeah, do you want?
Speaker 5 (24:37):
But it's really for the active girlies that are at
the gym at.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
The time, like for sustained.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
No, you know your market, babe, you know your market.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Well, Like anyone can wear it, but like to get
stretch and compression, like typically you can't get that from
a natural fiber, so like your hemps and your bamboos
can't really do that. And maybe you can wear hemp
and bamboo when you're doing like a yin pilates or
like in yoga sorry session, but when you're like really
sweating hard like it unfortunately as a fabric doesn't cut it.
(25:07):
So I wanted something that was going to get me
through an Olympic level workout and be more sustainable. And
that's like that's the bar that the product's got it
clear before it comes out.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I would like someone to get me through an Olympic.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Can I just say as well, just in terms of
your target audience.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This is a true story.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
And we can't say too much about the amazing race
because Bronti and I'll both get killed probably, But you
were wearing some of your athleticer pieces when we were
staying in redacted places, and I remember coming up to
you being.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Like, what is this that you're wearing? Where have you
got this from?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Because I don't know if I've mentioned this before. I
used to swim and I was like, oh my god, this.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I could look great in this. This is something that
I want, and Bronti just like, it's my brand.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
I was like, what.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
What, that's just one legs up from my border in Europe.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Exactly I made it?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, exactly, Oh, I created it.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I now a modeling it like it.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
It looks amazing as well, So not only is it supportive,
but it looks brilliant.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
And they do say it's so important to have something
outside of I think when you work in industries where
some things are in your control, but they're not like swimming,
and you know one day swimming will move beyond you.
And we know that in our life. One minute you
got a job, next minute, not so much. It's nice
to have something that is yours and that you know
that you can build and that you can keep for yourself.
(26:27):
But when you look at swimming as a career and
as a career choice, and if you're looking at young
bronte choosing to go down this path, if you were
to look at someone of that age, now, what do
you hope that Swimming in Australia and Swimming Australia have
put in place to help that person grow and support
them financially as well. Because we've heard so much and
(26:47):
we've been lucky enough to have Harry Garside come on
the pod where we're like, hey mate, what about La
And he's like, I've got to think about the finances
of my family and I'm like, wait, you need to
and you're a household name. I think it's glazed over
so much how much our Olympic athletes really struggle financially
just to support themselves and we as Australians expect glory.
(27:07):
What in the swimming fraternity would you like to see
change so that that young bronche that might be coming
through now can perhaps have a different trajectory if they
have your level of success.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, I think like swimming is one of the most
well funded sports because we're one of the most successful sports.
So the government provides funding to Olympic sports and it's
based on the metal tally of the sport basically as
to how much funding they get. So, like a lot
of the high performance pathways that are into swimming are
(27:37):
quite well established because we've had such a long history
of performing really well. That doesn't mean that that money
goes directly to athletes, Like that's for like the sports
to use in performance spaces.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
So I just think that.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
People don't really understand that, like when you're pursuing Olympic sport,
it's not for money reasons at all. Like when I
stepped up away from the sport and I was working
at EY doing business consulting, and a grad level position
at EY was paying more than more than I was
getting paid when I was top three in the world.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Sorry, you're in the well funded sport.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, I am. I am.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Which is why like whenever I talk about this, I
always want to preface it with that, because there's a
lot of Olympic sports that do it even harder, and
people can't stay in it and not have another job.
They need to have another job, so they're having like
a job and then they're doing full time.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Training, which is seven hours a day.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
Like it's just it's pretty wild that we have that,
and anyone that's pursuing Olympics in particular, they're doing it
because they love it and they have this really big
dream and they're just they're obsessed with it. And to
be able to keep that as you get later in
your career is harder if you don't have fun and
stuff alongside of that. When you're playing professional sport, you
(29:04):
get these contracts and you get a bit more certainty
in your life. Swimming, it's like if you don't perform
at the trials that year, at that one meet, at
that one time, then like everything's gone for the whole year.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Like we're not on a we're not on a contract.
It's like literally no certainty. Watchould we go to a bank.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
And they're like, oh, so, where's your I don't even
know what you're talking about. Like I've never had a
payslip in my life. They're like, where's your employment contract?
I'm like, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Oh my, I've not even thought about that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You got to get a home loan and you're like, yeah,
but my times you indicate if you would see that,
I'll qualify for this.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Do you just bring in your medals? Are you just
like how sorry? What does this get me?
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And you're like, I'm aware they're not solid gold they
changed that in nineteen oh one, but if you could
pretend they were, what does the board me get me?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I haven't tried that yet.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
That's what we're here to do, Bronzie. We're the big
ideas on this podcast.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Idea Can you just imagine we try it?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
We would try it. I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Then let's put some of that spotlight then on the
team as it is right now. And look some of
the names that are becoming household names. It has to
be said, U Kaylee's, you're Molo Callahan's. The World Championships
are going on right now. I know that you would
be following them. What's been your review to date so far?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
This is such an interesting World Champs. It's on right now.
You can still watch it for the rest of the week.
We're halfway through. And what I love about the World
Champs after an Olympics, it is the most chaotic world
Tip like it's just people are all over the place.
You've got like the people that were successful last year
in Paris. You've got people that trained super hard for Paris.
(30:40):
Maybe they were sick or injured when it came around,
maybe they just didn't step up and perform their where
they wanted to. But they've done all the training and
they're now like out with something to prove. And then
you've got like the new people stepping in because a
lot of people retire straight after an Olympics, so there's
just like chaotic mix of like different people from all
over the world in all different st ages of their journey.
(31:01):
And this is what happens the first year of our
four year Olympic cycle, which is fort Championships. It's been
really cool to see is like our team is the
most number of rookies that we've had for sort of
the last ten years, and they've really stepped up and performed.
And for me, I was looking at this team before
they went into the championships being like, well, this is
a this is a big rebuilding year for us, and
(31:22):
expecting that we would maybe have some people making finals
and semi finals, but that the medals might not be
as high as as in previous years, because we have
all these new people in there, and then we've got
people like Harrison Turner, who's I would guess that not
everyone's heard of Harrison, and he just won bronze in
the two hundred butterfly out of late eight, having just
(31:45):
scraped into the final in that final spot that you
can get there's only eight people in a final bronze, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
you got Alex Perkson moving bronze in the one hundred butterfly,
and like Alex came thirteenth at the Olympics last year,
she stepped up ten places in the world in a
year and dropped her time by almost a full second.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Like this is like the cool exciting thing is like.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Seeing these new names and faces coming through and knowing
that the next end of the sport are really are
really stepping up. So I've really enjoyed watching that and
enjoyed seeing it, and there's there's still so much more
to carments. Like I think, as you were talking about
Molly and Kaylee their particular, both of them have talked
about how much pressure they feel to not only succeed once,
(32:27):
but to keep on succeeding and keep on finding love
for the sport.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
So it's been great to see them.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Both swimming fast again, Kaylee swimming a personal best time
and one hundred backstroke.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
And dislocating her shoulder. Oh yeah, I hear. Shelders quite
important for.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Backstroke, partly. Molly o Callahan dislocated a knee not that
long ago.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, women.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Just pop it back in.
Speaker 5 (32:49):
And I have no idea, but like Simmith's joints are
just not very not very secure.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
It's because you loosen them all the time. Ronnie, I
have a moment to settle. Just movement for seven hours
a night.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But no, we do mention Kaylee and just she's achieved
in backstroke. No athlete in the world has ever for
her to speak so candidly. And we speak about Molly
and Kaylee. They're very different personality types. You've got Molly
who's been pitted up against Arnie for so long, and
Arnie was this all conquering, like literally the terminator, like
I've got this cool calm collected, and Molly is us.
(33:26):
And she would get out of the pool and be like,
I just don't know what happened there, Like it was
just all.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Feeling and yet they're champions in their own right.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Is it amazing to you to see these different personalities
that can then just turn it on and perform.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
That's my favorite thing about swimming and listening to people's stories.
There's no one way to be successful. And like I
used to read books and like listen to people talk
and be like okay, cool, Like that's how they got
to success, Like I should do that, And that's not
how it works in real life. Like You've got to
find your own way to leverage the things that you've
got and lean into your strengths. And that's what I
(34:02):
love is like there's no one true track.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
Like whenever I.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Talk to jong swimmers or even to corporates, like I say, like,
this is what worked for me, But it's only going
to be an element of that that you're going to
be able to take for yourself because everybody's so entirely
different and there's more than one mindset, more than one personality.
And my actual favorite thing about the Olympics is you
look walk around the Olympic village. There's fourteen thousand athletes there.
(34:26):
You've got everyone from Simone Biles, who's what five foot Yeah,
so like Yao Ming, who is like seven foot two,
and like every body shape and size in between, Like
it's it doesn't matter what body or mind or personality
you're born into.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
There's kind of a sport that's perfect for you.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Well, now you mentioned Simon Biles, who's the coolest person
you met in the village? Name drop hard? You can
have ten? Here are there people that you've met and
you're like hi, because we do that all the time.
Is it you're one of them?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
For us?
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So who have you met? So we can have one
degree in separation?
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Who's always in the village?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
The dolls always in the village, which is awesome, Like
lots of the more high profile athletes that have more
money stay out of the village because like it's pretty
rudimentary accommodation.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
I would say, like man of the people, ye.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Always stops for photos.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
With people, which I think is so wonderful, Like he
would have to spend so much extra time getting from
A to B.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
He stopped all the time.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
So that like us being like.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
He's like I'm late for my match, Like.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You're like, you're gonna win, babe, It's fine. Get the shot.
If we're talking about names in sport. How terrified as
Australians should we be of Summer Macintosh?
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Yeah, she's an incredible athlete, Like she qualified for the
Olympics in Tokyo and was almost too young to compete.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
Like fourteen.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Cly just made the age limit for the Canadian teams.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
And made the final at fourteen, didn't she.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild and she's got such a
future ahead of her if she chooses to stay in
the sport. But like, it's weird to be talking about
this future ahead of her when she's already world record
holder in multiple events looking at winning four individual gold medals.
That's her, That's what she said, is what she's chasing
in in Singapore at the World Champs at the moment.
(36:25):
Should we be afraid of her? No, we shouldn't be
afraid of her. She's lovely. But it's definitely cool to
see someone stepping up and taking the some events to
like the next level, especially events that haven't had like
huge excitement and world records around them in recent years.
So that's like sort of like the two hundred i
AM and the four undred IM like for the last
(36:47):
few years, there hasn't been like heaps of progression there,
and then you're seeing this progression come through and the.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I am as in for those who don't follows, that
individual individual medley is basically like, Hi, I'm good at everything.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Yeah, let me show you how could I am at everything?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I can't even It's like, just explain how hard the
four hundred meter individual medley is. And you want to
say it's like a two hundred butterfly, Like I just disgusting.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Yeah, and she does all the worst events a butterfly
four hundred, the worst ones, like I stick to fifty meters.
But she's she's a tough cookie and really cool to see,
Like I just love seeing Fasting and like we love
Canadians as well.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
They're always so super nice.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
She's nice and great thing she's hideous, Yeah, as as
I saw her?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Is that? Ai? What do you mean you look like
that when you just took your goggles off?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
What?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
We can love them bronze until we're standing next to
them behind the blocks, and then we want to crush
their dreams.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Yeah, dream crush as soon as we can't mind the.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Outside of that.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
I think that's I think that we team needs a
rebread But no longer the dolphins or the dream crushes.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Why cannot pass the dream crushes? That's it would be.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
I've literally already thought of it. It's a cloud with
a like an axe.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I mean that's only the first.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I mean the boxing kangaroos quivering, quivering at losing, the australianding.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
At least that's still a fighting animal. It's still gonna
hurt you.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
That's terrifying. That's literally the stuff of horror movies, a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
See, that's how you get it.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Get in there, get in the head.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Where does your head go?
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Is the question?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh Brontie, you're just absolutely divine and I'm so thrilled
that we could get you on the pod.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
We'll obviously have you back whenever you want.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
To come on, please come on, just hang out with us,
and just very very quickly. I know you're taking the
year off. So what is the next six months looking
like for you? What are you most excited about?
Speaker 6 (38:54):
In the pool?
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Like, not very much out of the pool. What excites
me is like, apart from my business, all the little things,
like I'm making a lot of stuff out of like
clay and pottery.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
At the moment, I've.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
Got a set of mugs that I need to make
from a big sister, all engraved with the date that
she got engaged on on the back.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
So, yay, are you brads made of you? Needs to
go look for dresses, are you? I was like, it's
so exciting.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
I'll get to look for dresses with her. She came
and looked for dresses with me. I'm supposed to be
wedding planning.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Georgie, how's your you can see you can see.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I pointedly didn't ask you that because I was like
when people ask me, I'm I've not done anything. I've
not done anything, and I'm like you and your gorgeous
fiance Benfield, we adore him, and.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Your ring's really cool, Yes, says total fan gel Here.
I remember. I remember seeing your ring and being like, damn.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's cool, like you, she got taste.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Well, I had nothing to do with it, to be honest.
That was all Benfield, so past on the compliment.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
But Georgie, I brought that up because like, I've also
done to her wedding planning, and maybe in the next
six months I might try to get my act together.
So that's like our outside of sports and business those
are the things I'm looking at mugs and maybe trying
to find some sort of wedding plan.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Georgie doesn't know this, but the two of us are
going to do a two for one at the courthouse.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Witness mind Rob can sing, we'll meet in the middle.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Actually sounds divine, actually sounds divine.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Great.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, yeah, it sounds so good. Brontie Campbell, thank you
so much, Thank you so.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Much, and congratulations as well.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
In the engagement. We're excited for the plans. We know
they're coming along swimmingly.
Speaker 6 (40:33):
That's fun, very good. I'll dive right into that.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Okay, so fun fact before we get into the fun fact, Jelly.
Not too many people know this, but the first time
when we're on the race and you don't know who
you're up against because they keep you separated, They keep
you isolated, and they're.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Very secretive about it that you don't see this group.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, very very purposeful. You're not allowed. They want that
reaction ties down a prize and you're like, oh my god,
I'm competing. That was never more evident.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Than when Robert and I first laid eyes upon Bronti
and Benfield.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
We were lining up, and I'm just like it was
in trans and all this, and I just take a
little glance and I was like, holy shit, it's Brontie Campbell.
And I remember because I was insane, my brain wasn't working.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I was like, what's she doing here? And then I
was like and I turned to Robert. As you know,
the domino started to fall, and I turned to Robert
and I went, we are.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Not where, we are no where. Bronnie Campbell is here. God.
So I really handled it well.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
So it's really quite wonderful that there's.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Just very few people I know that Brontie Campbell, Oh,
would have such a deep seated effect on it, because
I know that you're adulphored and the thought of you being.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
Like Robert, wait, you may as well run down. What
if we have to swim between countries? What are we
gonna don't? Is that your fun fact? That is?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
That's that's part of it, part of it.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
This is my other half of the fun fact two
for the price of one.
Speaker 6 (42:15):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
It is a swimming theme.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Still one of our other favorite swimmers remains to this day,
Alexi Leary.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Oh, she's a.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Singer, she is, and this is her first single, fun Fact.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Can you feel the panic comment?
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Can you?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I'm sorry? Isn't she a superstard?
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Didn't she have a new DJ?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Name's called Lex Leary as opposed.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
To Alex Alexa. She missed a trick there, Yes.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Oh Alexa.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Probably probably been copyrighted.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
It actually may be, but look that is so we
know how much music means to her and is how
it's in her story as an athlete and as a person.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
And I just think Fun Fact wonderful to see good
humans doing. It's about all things. It's a bop. It's
a bop. What in the early two thousands vibe was
that we're old enough?
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I was like, when was the last of my twenty club?
Speaker 6 (43:24):
Great?
Speaker 4 (43:24):
Cool? Yeah it was? It was fun three decades unreal.
We love Brondie Campbell.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Bronie Campbell loves you clearly, and we've confirmed that you're
a dolphin, which is all you hope to achieve from
this episode.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
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