July 24, 2025 • 48 mins
We're joined by netball royalty and all-around Australian legend Liz Ellis for a candid, funny, and passionate conversation about the sport she loves — and where it’s heading.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Here at Two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge
the traditional owners of the land on which we record
this podcast. The wererunerie people.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
This land was never seated, always was always will be well, Hello,
how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is Georgie, Sonny and a very stunned appy Jellmy?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Who got that?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I was trying something different? She was trying to be
a bit mysterious, a bit Oh, who's this girl next door?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When you're mysterious to become American? Is that what that was?
I was like, how do you?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, girl next door?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
American style?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Obviously what I was going for. Hello, Hello, how are
we welcome to another episode of Two Good Sports? Tell
me maybe I'm American, because I feel like that's where
all the viral sensations happen. However, this week, one of
our own dear listeners, and It's not Me, It's not Me,
(01:03):
has made the interwebs both curious and mad, and millions,
I mean millions of people consider the color of a
tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
A wild world.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Georgie, So I had the privilege of being on the
cheap seats and I saw a clip during the weekend,
as you well know, being on the you've hosted the
Cheap Seats, you just find clips and you're like, no,
I reckon that'd be all right. I reckon that a goal, right,
And this was the clip and it is tennis players,
very famous ones, starting with Arina Sablenka discussing, yeah, she's
gone right, especially in Australia, the color of a tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now have a listen, Okay, what color is a tennis ball?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Oh my god, this question. It's bright yellow, slightly going
through the green. Yellow yellow for me, and I think
ninety of the tennis players are yellow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This challenge the fabric of what I thought life was.
Are you Georgie well American? Who knows?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I just went a tennis ball's green, like as in
tennis ball green.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I thought that that was a shade.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I thought it was a shade, it was a color.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It had not occurred to me that some people see
that as yellow. So went on the show, held up
the ball next to a lemon, and went, surely anyone
backed me up? Not a soul backed me up, like
I was the lone ranger seeing green.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And can I just say there are a few lonelier
places in a television studio on a show that goes
to the nation with a.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Live audience and everyone crickets and not having one person
go I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
With you, joby, where were you? Because I could have
used that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I actually said that verbatim because they went to the
ad break and I was like, hey on, like ready,
steady cook, pretend that you have a lemon and a
tennis ball in someone place, and half the audience thought
it was green, and I literally go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Where were I was dying out here?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Anyway, when you get to the viral bit, they decided
to clip it up and put it on TikTok, which
I am not on because I always joke that I
don't tick all talk and Instagram and combined now it
has more than two point two million views and very
very angry people in the comments and in my dms.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This could be the.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Third World War because people feel so angry that they're
being challenged on something they so adimantly believe to be true.
There's Sir David Attenborough being referenced.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh really, what has he had to say?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, apparently he was someone that brought in that it
needed to be neon yellow.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I think it's neon I know anyway, like if.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You want to have a laugh.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But also my argument was, now we understand that not
all people, if you're driving or if you're listening to us,
have a tennis ball handy. And right now you're probably
thinking like, wait, what do I think about this? Go
to your phone and put in the tennis ball emoji.
Do it right now, And you can't tell me that
Apple who let's be on a Steve Jobs wasn't mucking around.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That has to be green. Put the lemon emoji next
to it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
If you want a reference that is it is I
will die on this green hill. I will I'll die
lonely out here. But it has been really ipning into
the things that people want to talk about a lot
and the spiels that you get.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Can I say, for anyone who has watched the Australian
Open right or any hardcourt with that vibrant blue court colors, right,
there's no way that you're watching a match live and
you think that that ball is yellow.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
There's no way, There's no way, there's no way, Like
we can all be there and we can watch Jelmy
with her experiment in real time of the lemon and
the tennis ball, and you go, oh my.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
God, that girl is color blind. It's so yellow. You're
not thinking that when you're watching a match.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But more the point as you, well, no, when you're
in studios, lights change the color of everything. So half
the comments are people being really angry that I've got
an orange looking lemon that I've got and found like
a really oddly shade. They're like, why she got an orange,
where's the lime? I'm like, I didn't bring a whole
fruit bowl. I should roana for depth. I didn't. But
(05:19):
this is the bit that George reminds me to remind you,
to remind us that we live in a strange world.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I would love for you to read out some of
the comments because I'm just having a quick scroll here
and they are making me laugh.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So these are the ones that just are really handy
for me to remember that it doesn't matter what you do,
some people are just gonna come at you. Yeah, and
that you just have to laugh it off, because again,
this is comments regarding me believing that a tennis ball
looks green. If lemon is yellow, a ball can't also
(05:50):
be yellow? Did she fail effing kindergart? Literal Professional tennis
players are saying yellow and people still say green. The
pure ignorant of this woman. So so far I'm dumb
and ignorant. So all the professional tennis players are telling
you it's yellow, but you're stubborn ass bitch knows best, dumb, ignorant,
(06:12):
stummas ad bitch, So just then, and they're angry in
my they're the ones that are public. The ones in
my dms are really really crude about where I can
shove said tennis balls.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
There's one of them.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So I just think we just have to remember the
Internet is a place where people decide to get a
little bit loose.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But it has been it has been interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think that I've had to change the notifications on
my phone because I can't copy it. I'm gonna have
to rule out if people post on emoji, just don't
show me.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I know there's potential that you've brought this up as
maybe a bad sport of you know, people taking out
every minor inconvenience that has ever happened to them on
you and they and your comments section. But can I
just say what a great sport it says so funny,
it's do you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's funny because you're fine. No, it's funny because it's us.
This just proves to me.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That the fodder that you and I talk about that
we're going, Nah, who really is gonna this is what
the people want in sports commentary. Debating the color of
a tennis ball lights people up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, this is how you reach everyone. Guys right here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
And is there anything more too good sports coded other
than the fact I brought up there's a pineapple on
the trophy?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh, I can't there? Actually there actually is it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's been a week.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It has been a week. And next time I'm on,
I'm gonna wear a two good sports shirt. I'm gonna
make some merch get to direct them back.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Sorry this one, I'm still scrolling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
There's so many comments.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There's one. When you free your mind from the concept
of only primary colors, your world will become much less annoying. Geez,
thank you, thanks so much. What what.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
People become? Very philosophical, very philosophical.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Look what you've done.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You've freed my mind. The impact you've had, I've freed
my mind, and it's green. It is green anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We just don't seek to boundaries, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That's it. That's it. Apparently colour's not binary either, who knows?
Who knows? Anyway, George, give me anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, I have a little bit more of a serious
good sport bad sport, A bit of a bad sport,
but it's a reluctant bad sport. Let me explain. I
want to talk quickly about the Stephen May suspension.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah right, and his hit on Evans.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Who obviously suffered very significant injuries too.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Broke his nose, yes so, and had.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Concussion of course. So this is in the Melbourne game
against Carlton last week. I remember watching it live and going,
oh oh, Stephen May has absolutely annihilated that man. And
as I have said on this podcast many times before,
I will be the ultimate defender of you've got to
go hard when anything, when it's any kind of contact
(09:07):
around the head. Yes, because we have to be serious
about concussions. I mean, forgive the phrase, but color me
a hypocrite because I.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Didn't think he should have been suspended a lot of
people on talkback radio as I was driving in saying
the same thing essentially, how are you meant to predict
the bounce of the ball, whether you're going to get
to the ball, And the tribunal said themselves, we agree
that he didn't intend to bump.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, and this was my thing as soon as the
AFL lawyer. So this went to the tribunal was like
a three hour hearing. I think it was. Stephen May
gave testimony as well. But I feel that for the
AFL lawyers to admit he didn't intentionally go into bump,
your case is then gone right and for him to
be able.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
To know, I do believe that you need to show
reasonable care.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't think that that's in that split second. It
was one of those freak accidents on the footy field.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I do think that he's paid a bit of Stephen maytax.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I agree in the same way that Toby Green has
a higher tariff than any other player in the game.
I think the fact that he has a history of
being that bit of an argi bargie player. I mean
three weeks some people are saying he might get up
to five, it might be season ending. Look, it's just
one of those things that I think now and again,
a lot of angry people and talk back this morning saying,
so what we just adjudicate the game based on outcome?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, you get concussion, you get suspended. That's where we're
at now, which.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I have traditionally been on this podcast very vocal in
being a fan of that. So that's why this one
it's really shaken me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's shaken me. This decision.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure I believe in it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, the thing is, Stephen May himself got concussed in
that game.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
He did, so he was going to have to be
out for around or two anyway, So it's really worked
out to be like a match suspension, which I could think.
I think three was a good place to land. I
think he did need to get found guilty purely for
the level of impact.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
If the DS were going to be finals contenders.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
This would be more. It would be huge, it would
be huge. And it's also it's also about saying that
he should be able to predict whether or not he
would get to the ball first, and also to predict
the bounce of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's an oblong ball.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You can't predict the bounce of footage, No one can. No, no,
I agree, that's a very very good one from you.
Hot takeo.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Look out, my god.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But speaking of.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We have a hot guess who is an Australian slash
sporting icon.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, that's coming up.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's not often that you get a pep talk from
an Australian captain. Jelmy, I say it all the time.
When was the last time that you had one? Think
about it, dear listener, I have been very fortunate to
have had a few from our guest today. Back when
we'd both get to share a National news desk. Whether
I wasn't feeling my outfit or was stressing about how
(12:15):
to perfectly word a question, this person would simply look
at me with the poise and grace and fire of
a two time Commonwealth gold medallist and say, stop fucking
worrying about that. Words to live by hell, put them
on my tombstone. Because if you were told baby George
or Baby jell Me that they could simply call Liz
(12:37):
Ellis whenever they wanted, and she'd likely answer, well, we
would damn well have looked at you with awkward brows
and gangly limbs, with zero Commonwealth medals to our name.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And said, put that on my tombstone.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Put that on our tombstone. Everyone who meets Liz falls
in love with her. Indeed, when she was announced as
part of the cast for I'm a Celebrity, Get me
out of here. I remember declaring to anyone and everyone, oh, well,
she'll win, and she did. There are many titles we
could use to describe her Royalty, captain, chairperson, Order of Australia, recipient, mum, author,
(13:12):
former lawyer, television host, keynote speaker, MC netbull, god, but
my favorite is friend. Let's be real, There's only ever
been one Queen Liz in our eyes, and she's with us.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Please bow stand to attention for lizz elis welcome to
do this.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, it's so lovely to be you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Thanks for that beautiful introduction, Georgie tuney.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
But do you know actually I've just got my.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Son off to school on the bus and I kicked
my daughter out of the house about an hour ago
to get on her bus. And I think they need
to listen to that because they have a genuflect and
they don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Tell me it ain't so lose. They don't know that
they're living every day with royalty.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
They couldn't give a shit.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
No, I'm just mum and I nag and I feed
them food that they don't like, you know, I made
stew last night and my son turned his nose up.
So you know, they do give me. Having children gives
you a reality check, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh? Mate, I can't every second of every day.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And Auntie George Georgia came over with the other day
when I had my too, and she's like, cool, so
like when do you eat? Bouncing the two of them pureing,
and she's like looked at me to be like, so
when when do you do the things? And I'm like,
any day now, any day now, I'll find it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then you know, when you're in the trenches with
them when they're toddlers, you're like oh, and then like
you get out of that.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But now my kids play every.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Sport, every sport, and so we just spend my husband
and I spend our whole time talking logistics about drop
off and pick up and who's going to do this
and get into training and then you go, oh my god,
we've got to feed them when they walk in the
door starving hungry. So anyhow well, I mean, I'd like
to say that my life is a well or a machine,
but it clanks along. Well.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
If we are going to talk about kids sport, My
childhood was punctuated and circled around netball. I trained fortnights
a week, I played twice on the weekend. I was
that kid that always had permanent market numbers down my
legs as though trying out the district or association or
everything in the course dress. My dad used to call
me the center half back from Hell because he didn't
(15:23):
quite understand the positions. But I once got sent off
a netball court for growling. I did, honestly in year four.
They did it toss and I literally got that into it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I get white line fever.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
But netball has always had a special place in my heart,
and I deeply believe that kids that play team sport
and netball learn about sometimes you're not going to make
the team. Sometimes you've got to work really hard for
something and it might go your way and it might not.
But it's that it was so special and it was
so formative in me netball, and it's something that I
think is so important.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
For young girls as well. And now we have Queen
Liz on the pod.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
But I know that Liz, you have a special skill
for guessing people's positions.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I may have told her something I do.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Can you can you give a bit of a scope
of what you think now, George, George like for absolute seconds?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, okay, I mean, I reckon, I've got it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But I'll ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, great, Do you.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Organize a social situation with your friends or do you
just turn up and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
At this stage of my life, I do turn up
and hope for the best. But previously I would be
an organizer, but kids kill me.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, when you are not podcasting, what is your occupation journalist?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
So you like to talk to people? Yep, I reckon.
You're in the mid court.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
You're a center, see I I do identify as mid court,
but you're a goal attack.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm a GD she was a defender.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
But I've given you a bit of a bumpstier there
by saying like I am a rock up and hope
for the best, Like I am right. The thing is
what what what you can't Liz, because you are joining
us remotely, is what I.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Would describe as Ellis esque elbows. So yeah, they're real sharp.
They're real sharp, and that's what you can't see from
the grand feet.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Or my item spand is actually one eighty. So when
they did the waist testing. I was meant to be.
That's what I was in all the development stuff with
association networks. They're like, this one's going to be six
to one.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know, you threw me, you threw me? Or how
tall are you?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
One seventy. They kept pushing me into w d oh god,
something bad. I know, I know it really did.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That's a big But you threw me with your with
your social situation, right, because it's a giveaway. Normally, if
you organize, you're a shooter or a center because defenders
are too busy running the world to organize social stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's actually that's kind of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it all, it all lines up, It all lines up.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I don't organize anything socially. Cath Cox does all of
that for a game. And she was a goal shooter.
Occasionally she played goal attack, but we lis like to
get her back in a box when she ran out there.
But yeah, so she organizes it all, and it's it's
I'm like, she's such a shooting and it's all about
the lip gloss.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
In the hair.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Now they say that to me, good shooter, You've got
to empty your head as you shoot because you've got
three seconds to stand there, so it's all about empty
in your mind. And I'm going to say the best shooters.
I know that's not hard.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
There's not much to be dropping.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
See.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
For me, I had the great, great privileges sitting opposite
Cath as she was inducted into the Sports Australia Hall
of Fame, and she had the most. She got really
teary actually when she was speaking about you and your
friendship and what that's meant for her.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
How special has it been for you?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Because honestly, if you ask most Australians who's the best
netballer in the country, they'll say lizz Ella's and Cathcocks.
Still still still, it still permeates, and I think that's
something that I know going forward, you're hoping to have
more household names as our current netballers, but that friendship
between the two of you is pretty special.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And look, I've got to say that the time that
Kath and I drop out of both the best known
netballers and I'll be thinking to myself that I've done
my job. But in the meantime it's funny, you know,
my sister, I've got a younger sister who's twenty two
months younger than me, and she played netball and she
was Coxy's friend first because they played in schoolgirls teams together.
So my sister, who I'm still very close to, we
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both live in the same country town and regional New
South Whale. She always says to me that I stole
her friend Coxy off her, and then actually she moved
to Hong Kong for a few years, so I stole
all of her other friends in Balanor as well.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So it's been a patent through while whole life.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But you know, Coxy and I the first time we're
ever in a team, it was a New South Wales
Opens team and she was a kid, she was like
seventeen or eighteen, and we had this great funny woman
in our team, Kelley Devy, who's you know she eventually
she was eventually ended up being our boss at Channel nine.
She was head of netball when Netball was at nine
and Keeler was really naughty and she made Catherine on
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our first trip away like chuck brown Eyes out the
back of the bus.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Brown Eyes, I'm expecting you to say that, Queen Liz.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It was so naughty, Like, now we'll be put on
social media and that's the end of your career, right, Yeah, Brown,
I was like, oh, we're going to be best friends.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I love that was the QUANTU five. You're like, ah,
I see you not.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We have similar skill levels. I feel like we may
be on Siller teams. It's like, oh, you're mooning people
out the bus.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Absolutely, the bar is live because on.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You reflecting and you know, talking about your job being
done when we do have more household names that aren't
yourself and the divine brown eye cocks. How do we
do that? How are we going about that? How are
you going about that? Because Liz, I don't know how
you have time to sleep? Like just how I asked,
(20:58):
I did legitimately ask tell me you know, when can
she eat? I don't know when you can sleep, let
alone breathe. You're so busy and now you are chair
of netflorl straight, Like, what are you doing to make
sure that your job or your role in that area
at least is obsolete soon?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Absolutely, I don't sleep because I lie in bed at
night and think about all the things that I want
to do with my sport. And you know I used
to sit outside the administration and be quite critical.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And then I had an epiphany one day.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I thought to myself, either I can continue to do
this and really go down in history as you know,
an ex athlete with relevance deprivation syndrome, or I can
actually get in and do something about it. And I've
really enjoyed sort of getting my head under the bonnet,
and it confirmed my earliest suspicions at NETBIW has this
enormous potential the.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Thing that really holds us back. And I got to
ask this in a meeting yesterday.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know how come AFLW and NRLW and BBL Women's
BBL have sort of shot pass us. It's simply money, right,
we don't have the money to invest in really critical
things that we need to do. And we're in the
process at the moment of trying to change that around
and we're seeking investment into super netball. The product is fantastic.
(22:11):
The athletes do an amazing job week in week out.
They put on a great spectacle. They are supported so
much by the netball community. And that's not just playing community.
It's a fan community. And we're on track. It's you know,
it's it's a preliminary final this weekend for sun Corps
Super Netball and already we've broken the record that we
(22:31):
set last year for the most attended women's sports league
in Australian history. Right, so we are absolutely on a roll.
And our crowd averages are our peak craws up.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
You know, you go to Perth and Ivy, that's where
you're from.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But you know, go the fever to early to early.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know, we've got we've got great athletes, we've got
really committed fans. We know that fans of women's sport
are more likely than fans of men's sport to identify
to see the athletes as role models. They're far more
likely to view positively a sponsor of the sport of
an athlete.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So we've got this.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Really great sort of research base now about the behavior
of women's sports fans, and netball fans in particular are
even more likely to sort of sit on that high
on that spectrum. And you know, anecdotally you hear that
netball fans speak to sponsors and they're really grateful for
the sponsorship. And you know, we know we do really
well in terms of streaming, and you know, people want
(23:27):
to pay to get netball content. I think the thing
that we have really struggled with is simply having the
resources to tell our stories. Well, we've got great athletes
with great stories from all around the world.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Super Netball is the world's best netball league.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You you only have to scratch the surface to find
athletes from Jamaica and Africa and you know England and
they've all got fantastic stories. And our Australian players all
have these brilliant stories. We just haven't had the money
to invest in storytelling and that's one of the things
that we're really looking at. Okay, how do we change that?
How do we partner with companies who are really mission
aligned to netball and who share the same value is
(24:03):
to tell our stories really well.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So that's probably the piece that's missing.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And once we start telling those stories, then Coxy and
I are becomently obsolete.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Right we just sit in the background drinking sharaay.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I don't know. I don't know if it's actually possible
for you to be obsoletely is, But let's talk about
the product. Let's talk about some of those partnerships. I
want you to take off your chair hat just for
a second and put on your sister act fangirl hat. Yes,
what was your reaction when you heard that Whoopie Goldberg
was interested in having super Netball be broadcast on her
(24:33):
fucking network?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And you know, my god was smacked. It was amazing, right,
And the best part about it was that she her people.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Actually contacted us.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
They saw netball on our socials, actually came across the
game looking at our socials and went, oh, we need
this on our network. Right, So here's this woman's women's sport,
you know, played by women, administered by women, umpied by women,
and the crowds for not they saw, went yet, we
need that, So they contacted us.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
There was a meeting.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Pretty soon after the meeting, our team sent a heap
of merch to Whoope and her team and that looked
so you know then you.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Know, so I sort of knew that was going on.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And then one of them just sent me out of
the Blivies video of Whoopee Goldberg talking about netball, and
I got really emotional. I was like, this is amazing.
It's the start of something really big. And I have
known for years, since I was a little tacker, that
netball is this amazing sport. And you know, you guys
sort of talked about it before. It does so much
for young women. Increasingly, it does enormous amounts for young men.
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We are the fastest growing sport for men and boys
in the country, and it's sort of been a bit
of a secret and we're not very good at beating
our chest about it. And suddenly he's he's Whoopy Goldberg
talking about it. So it was a real light bulb
moment to say, yet, we've got to get out there,
we've got to push it, we've got to talk about it,
we've got to talk it up and to have you know,
we're now on the all Women's Sports network. And it
(25:57):
does confuse me though, Like I see their socials and
it says, you know, super netbaw two am Eastern Standard time,
and I'm like, no, that's wrong. And then I realize
they're talking in US times.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
It confuses me, right, I'm like, no, it teams got
it wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
No, our teams are okay, it's fine, it's fine, and
you know, and then you know, we've got another a
streaming deal with Invalley and like there's you can essentially
access the sport globally and that really plays into the
bid that we're talking about at the moment, which is
a bid for the twenty thirty two Olympics. We're working
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really hard to line to make sure we line up
everything so that when that process opens, either at the
end of this year or early next year, we're good
to go. I think this is a once in a
generation moment for netball to become an Olympic sport. And
you know, if you think I was emotional when Whoopie
Goldberg talked about netball, if netball was names as an
Olympic sports that three months, I've been the feeder position,
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crying with happiness.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
It'll be amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yes, And honestly, and I'm sure you felt this way,
But we sit back where like, I mean, rock climbing, skateboarding.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Fine, netball fine, yeah, Like come on.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I deny any of those sports.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Actually, one of my I coached my my daughter's under
fourteen's club team netball team, and one of the girls
in the team, her brother is a really talented skateboarder,
and I suspect he'll end up on the team for
Brisbane twenty thirty two. So I'm hand on heart. Yeah,
I'm here for the skateboarding. But yeah, look, I think netball.
I don't want to disrespect any other sports, but I
think netball has certainly it's yeah, it's the you know,
(27:33):
it's the largest women's sport in Australia. You know, should
should netball get into the Olympics. You know, Olympics have
hit parody or very close to parody with athlete numbers
male and female athletes. But what netball would bring would
be parody around coaches, administrators, umpires, and that's really the
next step. So I think, you know, I think netball
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would have and it would make an enormous contribution to
the Brisbane twenty thirty twos.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, we actually sent more women than men to Paris
as a country, and I think that that's such a
good mark for where we're at.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I also think you've got it. In order to.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Keep young girls participating in the sport, they need to
be able to see goals that they want to achieve
and see it as because as you well known, as
you've alluded to, it is such a highly participated sport netball,
but it is hard when you start getting to the
amount of hours that need to be committed to that
whether or not they keep playing into later life, and
having something like an Olympics on the horizon just does
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so much to keep women in the sport.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh absolutely, And I think you know our secret sources.
You know we're a massive participant sport for women, but
when you take a step back from playing or from
the women on the.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Court, we actually outstrip every other.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Sport in the world for female administrators, for leaders. You know,
you look at our national body, We're a female CEO.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
We've got a female chair. Six of the nine board
members are women.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
If you look at the state bodies, I think there's
two men who are chair. All the other state bodies
are chaired by women. All the CEOs of women. Like
that leadership role that women even in sports where the
participants are achieving parody. Netball is just streets ahead, and
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it's a sport where women often learn how to lead.
And so I think we need to also tell the
story of our athletes, but also tell the story of
our sport as a massive economic driver for this country
because it creates female leaders, and it creates women who
are resilient, who can communicate, who can work as part
of a team, who are prepared to step up and
lead even when they're not on the court playing. They
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learned so much in the periphery and I think that's
a great story that our sport can tell.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, tell us the story then, Liz, of this final
series because we have one Grand finalist locked in Abbey's fever.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh that M word in sport momentum.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It's a capital M for the fever. At the moment,
they have just been taking everyone in this right. But
it's the opposite for the Swifts, who started the season
so strongly and now they've sort of fallen into this
potential qualifier for the Grand Final taking on the Vixen's.
It's everything you could want. It's New South Wales taking
on Melbourne. How you've seen the game this weekend? And
who do you think takes it out overall?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, now that I'm the chair, supposed to be Switzerland,
but every one day that I'm Swiftzerland.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I was like, as soon as Joey was talking about
the hole that the Swifts found themselves in, I was like,
it's a good thing Liz isn't in this studio.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
The elbows had come out because they couldn't have had
a stronger start to the season and especially they were
taking everyone in their wake, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, hang on, as they say, you've got to
play the good.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Sport at the right time. You got to find you
for Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, you don't win the trophy after the first eight
rounds and unfortunate if the finals were held after round seven,
round eight, the Swifts would have been holding the trophy.
So they've fallen in a hole. But I think the
thing that really stands out to me about the Swifts
is that they are a team full of superstars. So yes,
you know this is a this is still or die
for them, so but they've got the players who can
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bring it. Having said that, they come into this preliminary
final and a massive down and like that was a
record loss to the Fever last week, and I was
watching it enough and I thought, this is enough to
drive me to drink and in fact, so you know it,
it was a really unswift slight performance.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And I know that they're hurting.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I'm great mates with briani Ak or their coach, and
she I was messaging her after the game and she
was really hurting, So you know, I know they've had
a pretty honest week, but they're facing a Vixen's team
who are coming off an amazing game against the Thunderbirds
you know, to be Adelaide at home in a final.
The last time they played Adelaide in a final was
a Grand Final last year and they lost by you know,
(31:44):
the slimmest of margins. So Vixen's are on the way
out sweeps of Copt to beating. But I think these
two teams are teams that absolutely bring the best out
in each other and I think it's going to be
a terrific game in netball.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So I'm really excited. I hopefully.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Will be able to sit in my land room and
really enjoy it. So yeah, and then I think it
sets us up whoever wins. Both of those teams are
really capable of taking it to Fever the following week.
So yeah, it's super, super exciting, and you know, I
hope we get a big crowd at Kutos Bank Arena
on Sunday in Sydney and then an even bigger crowd
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at Rod Lavery and Melbourne the following week.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well, I think the thing is and all credit to
the Fever.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It was almost the perfect game, like it was almost
like every player on that side played out of their
skin at the one time. And sometimes the planet's just
aligned for you and you can tell those fits are
there going what can we even try to do here?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It was a pretty remarkable game to watch.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It was and you know, lots of people talk about
Janielle Fawllert Nembad.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And what a story that.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was an amazing story. And she's a phenomenal athlete,
and I think, you know, for her, the tragedy of
what happened to her earlier in the year when she
lost her baby in pregnancy, I think it spurred her
onto two bigger and better things this year. She's incredibly fit,
she looks really focused. You know, she's amazing. But I
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think to just focus on her loser side of the
fact that it was probably the best all court performance
that I've seen in Fever ever, certainly this year, maybe
even ever. It was from the you know, from their
goalkeeper down, everyone was on song. And what really struck
me was that when Fever got a turnover, the speed
at which they moved the ball down court. You know,
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Janille was at the end of that and she repays
them every single time they turned the ball over. And
you can't underestimate how much confidence that gives you as
a defender. You lift your game because you know when
you get the ball it's going down the other end
that it's going to get scored off.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
So they wasted it again exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
But you know, she's phenomenal. But I think you've got
to give credit to the entire Favor team. It was
a phenomenal performance. It was you know, as much as
it says play so poorly, I think they weren't allowed
to play well because the Fever were.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Just so good.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, and the Vixen's had very cool heads, is the
way I would describe against the Thundbirds. They just seem
to come at it with this maturity and this energy
where and it's hard against the Thunderbirds as well. They
were going to try to go back to back to back,
so you knew that they know what it's like to
get into the big dance. But there was just this
calmness about them that I went or hang on it.
I hate to say it, Liz, but it's not a
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great no.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's dicey for I'm just saying she's doubting them.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
They're coming in.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
They're coming in from different points, right off the back
of the games that they just played, and it's going
to be But again, like, I love talking about this,
and I have a privilege of working on offsiders and
getting to talk about netball predominantly with someone like Bianka
Chapfield who comes in and I say it every time
I see the crowdshot, So I'm like, can we just
freeze on the crowd shot? Everyone's losing their mind? Yeah,
(34:58):
the stadium is packed, they're all merched, and I'm like, no,
wonda whoopee wants in? Yeah, of course, because you look
at that engagement and you're like, there are sports, namely
NRL where where sometimes you see these pans of the
crowd and you're like, hang, people must be watching at
home because they don't rock up.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Netball fans rock up and you can't hear yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well, and people can't buy themselves by their daughters enough merch.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, oh, don't don't even get a started. We are
merch fans.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
We love some merch.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
We will bury us in merch, bury us in merch.
I seem to remember you telling me, Liz that you
coached your daughter's netball team.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Oh my, did you yes? I still do yes, I
we still do yes.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So can you imagine can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Your coach being lizz Ella?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah, your coach. They don't care. They're fourteen year old girls.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They really couldn't they Again, they don't give a shit
like my kids. They don't care because I'm just the
one who makes a run hard at training and yells
at them on Saturday. So they don't care. And you know,
I live in a small town. The opposite people are like, oh,
I imagine Lizella's coaching, rocking up and coaching you know,
your opposition coach.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
They don't care. They couldn't care less.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It's but that's the beauty.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's like, it's the beauty of kids' sport, right, Like
I just all I care about for these girls is
that they enjoy the sport.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
They continue to play the sport.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know, I know we're at that critical point where
where girls can drop out, and like, I just want
to make sure that they stay in the sport and
take all the good things from the sport. And like
I've won my World Cup, so I don't need to
win my World Cup.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
On a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So I'm probably a bit more relaxed than people might think, Majie.
If we make the Grand Final this year, I won't
be relaxed. But I just love coaching them because it
actually just keeps reminding me when things get really hard.
When I sit on when I sit in this chair role,
I just think about those girls. It's them that drives
me because I think they deserve a sport that is
a Tier one sport.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I just know that if Jelmy and I were coaching
the opposite team and we rocked up and we saw
you with a.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Selfie pre game, I'm like, guys, get your own oranges.
I'd be like, I'm going to go talk to the Queen.
I'd be like sco is knee do I bound one.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I'd be like scorers pens away, pens away, get rid
of them, libs, keep them packed, keep them packed by leaving,
we're leaving.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I do love kids as a universal leveler. Because it's
funny you say that. I saw a photo during the
week of Chris Judd was coaching under nines and one
of the boys is doing a handstand as so far
from listening to one of the greates of the game
that he's just like, I just don't care, and there's
something really nice about that where it's like they're here
to throw the balls, to kick the ball because they
love it. And I think in sports administrators you're like,
(37:42):
how do I extend that love? And it's amazing that
you mentioned our favorite team, the Kelpies and how well
men's netball is doing. How important is that men's growth
to the opportunity of having something like netball ad an
Olympic Games.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, it's it's it's super important, and I think there's
a couple of points to it, right, you know, we
want to be in the Olympics. Having the men's game
as strong as it is is really helpful for that.
But I think the bigger picture with men and boys
coming into the sport is that we are unashamedly and
(38:18):
you'll see this in our strategic plan when it comes
out a bit later this year. We are unashamedly leaning
into the fact that we are a sport built by
women for women, and I think that is our strength,
that is our superpower, that is our secret source.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
But that's not to the exclusion of men and boys.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We're actually really clear about the fact that there is
absolutely a space for men and boys in our game.
And as much as our game teaches women to lead,
it also has the opportunity to teach men and boys
how to be led by women. And I think that's
a really important thing that our sport can deliver. But
also our sport is a place for young men and
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boys who don't quite find what they need or what
suits them in the football.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Codes or with the cricket codes. Right, it's another option.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's like AFL cricket, rugby league, rugby union places where
girls can express themselves. Now I think we can have
boys playing and we offer them something different. My little girl,
for example, plays rugby union. She's a talented player, she
plays state championships, and she's got both of these really
great sides to her sporting sort of journey. And my
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little boys about to play in his first netball tournament
for school this week, and I'm excited about it, right
because I'm like, he will see the skill leveling netball
and it offers something different.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And frankly, I.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Actually think we've got something great to offer men and
boys because we don't have the same concussion issues that
the football codes have, right, So you know, it's a
safe sport from that point of view, you know, as
families juggle being busier, netball is a sport that happens
at the same time and the same place every week.
I think we're just we're just really a different offering,
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not just for girls and women, but for men and boys.
And I think the place where our sport is really
thriving is in mixed competitions and social social me. Yeah,
that my local association, the Twilight League in spring. It's
it's great. You know, there's kids rocking up wearing two two's,
it's really relaxed. There's lots of you know, there's lots
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of teams, and so I think, you know, our sport
can really cater for men and boys in that way too.
I just think that, yeah, that's great on the court,
love having men and boys playing. But I think it
also serves a much bigger picture, which is something that
really excites me.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Isn't any wonder that would follow you into battle, Liz?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I really don't think so. No, I mean how I mean,
I've always been in yeah, yeah, you actually have.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You Actually, it's actually crazy. What was harder, Liz winning
three World championships or the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Winning three World Championships four years, right, so every World
Cup takes four years of prep, whereas the Jungle was
just twenty one days.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
And it was hard in there, right was actually it
might have been twenty eight days.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I lost out, you know, it was like, well it
was it took the time that it took to eat
four gazelle's eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
I don't know. The hardest thing was just killing time, right, It's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
There's not much killing the gazelle, so yeah, well no,
thankfully I don't have to go and do that. But
and then everything in the in the jungle is like
literally hard, like all the surfaces are hard.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I'm an old lady.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
My hip started to hurt, everything started to hurt, so
that they were hard. But also what sport teaches you
is just to put your head down and your ass
up and just and you know that there's an endlment,
so you know, and I used to joke that the
thing that got me through labor was was doing five
day netball cats when normal Plumber was a coach. Right,
I knew that labor wouldn't take five days if I.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Couldn't get through it. And it was the same with
the jungle.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I knew the jungle wasn't going to go on for
four years, so I was like, well like minimums two weeks, maximum,
it's five weeks whatever. I'm in here with some really
interesting fun people. I get to do stuff that I
don't ever get to do. You know, my family got
to come. Over the fact that they that they came.
I was like, well, it's great. It was hepes so fun.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
It was hard, but it was fun.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Only one final question, Liz, And firstly we just want
to say thank you so much for finding the time.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
We love Netborle.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
How can we the fans champion you and your mission
to have these household names? What are you hoping that
Australians can do and react to that mission? About as
you said, and it's so funny that parallels between this
podcast and your mission in saying we're not exclusively for women,
but we're very proudly for women. It's not exclusively everyone
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is welcome, yes, but we're creating a space where we
may feel like they found their niche in sport and
we're proud of that. How can people get behind netball?
And it sounds like such an obvious question is in
go to games, but there are more tangible ways that
people can do things. And I'm sure are your KPIs
of what you're looking for? What can what's your call
out for listeners if they're thinking, oh, yeah, I could
(42:57):
get back into netball.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah. I think there's probably two parts to it.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
One is that if you haven't played for a long time,
when you want to just go and find your local
association and getting things have changed right. There's social comps,
there's mixed comps, its heaps of fun, So go and
play most importantly, But the other thing is start to
follow on socials. Start to make sure you watch the games,
talk about the games to people who aren't familiar you know,
(43:23):
and call people out when you know when you can.
Sometimes you hear people say, oh, but Netbull's boring or
women's sport is boring. You've got to have the courage
to call people out because the proof is actually on
your television screens every week. No matter what sport you watch,
when women are playing, it's a vastly different sport to
when men play, and that actually makes it more interesting.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
I think.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
So be prepared to stand up for your sport, be
prepared to go out and play, and go by merch
by ticks. You know, if you can, if we can
fill out Rod Labor Arena next week, certainly makes my
job and the CEO's job easy when it comes to
budget time at.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
The end of the year.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
So you know, women's sport at the end of the day.
It's the thing that we're lacking is the financial resources
to really tell our story as well.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
So you know, if you can buy a piece of merch,
if you can buy a ticket, if you can buy
a membership.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
To a club, that all helps and follow the account
so that when you on sell to those brands, it's
the amount of eyes that are going to be across
the brands. So that is something whether it like go
and just follow your local team and.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Follow your local team, follow the diamonds. You know, there's
and that's something that's free.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, totally, and you can do it right now.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
So get your phones out, get your follow and if
you're not following Queen Liz, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (44:31):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I don't get on socials much these days. I'm not
much chopped, but anything.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Please please, you will get around it.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Actually, very very very quickly, we mentioned Rod Labor, what
color is a tennis ball, Liz.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
How do you know she knows.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
That answer some Monday mornings.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Of course you do with all your spare time.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Your spare time, Queen Liz, we will bow down to
you forever. Thank you so much for being with us
and we're so excited about twenty thirty two, among other things.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Thanks Team.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
The Queen, the.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Queen Teava, Queen, she's just the best.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I just like the ten year old me, just lost
their mind. It's Liz Ellis. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I used to watch her sitting around the TV every
was it a Saturday afternoon and they used to get
the games you skip broadcast in Brisbane. I'm not sure,
but I would be watching it. I'd be like, oh,
there's Queen Liz. There's Queen Liz the golfer.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Reckon, she's ever been asked the color of a tennis ball?
Because that leads into our fun fact and it turns
out surprising no one. Queen Liz was right because, as
we've been recording, Ben Locke, Hello, thank you for your time.
Ben has just this in with a smiley facaying yellow balls. Now,
before this week, I wouldn't have opened the link, just
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letting you know that would have gone straight through to
the keeper. But I say it's an embarrassing bodies I
saw super David Attenborough is the cover PHO. I'm like, oh,
let's have a listen and thank you Ben for the
fun fact tennis balls used to be white.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
A great bounce is what makes a great tennis ball.
Wilson were not number one for nothing.
Speaker 8 (46:13):
It wasn't until nineteen eighty six that Wimbledon made the
official switch to yellow balls. Sir David Attenborough, who was
a BBC studio controller at the time, was the man
behind the change. In the nineteen seventies, tennis began being
broadcast in color, and Attenborough realized that white balls were
difficult to see on television. Nobody had noticed the issue
before because everyone was used to watching tennis in black
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and white. After an in depth study, the International Tennis
Federation agreed that bright yellow balls were more visible and
the change was made.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
David Attenborough so in one corner, see.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
The wild ball was too white to be seen on television,
so we brought in the yellow and everyone got very
confused about what the totals. That is.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
The greatest thing you may have ever done on this podcast.
And can I just say that I was immediately struck
because you sounded uncannily like Sir David Attenborough. But also,
and this is going to be a deep cut, like
Nigel thornbe from The Wild thorn Breeze.
Speaker 7 (47:21):
Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Was a mash. I live in Thornbury.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So there's randomly stickers of Nigel thorn bree everywhere because
someone thought that it would be. And if you don't
know the reference, what were you doing not watching ABC
Kids during that?
Speaker 5 (47:38):
What were you doing?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Eliza Thornbreees she had a monkey named darwhen it's a
whole remember, and he just hello, I'm Nigel's and today
we're studying the wild boar redfree redfree up in here.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I'm so glad Queen Liz isn't on the line for this,
but I do hope she's listening.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Oh there you go, There you go. So David Attenborough, Well,
we can't.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Look, we can take on a lot of people on
this podcast, I think you and I we can't really
take on to David Attenborough, like, like you know, if
he says we'd have.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Him on the pod, we'd have him on the pod.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
We have him on the pod. He's probably listening right now.
So David, I know you're a bit busy, you know,
solving the world. But if invitation open invitation.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It might work. For sir, it really did it.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I love you, Love this Love Queen Lee's follow netballers
and until next week be at
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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how are you?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is Georgie, Sonny and a very stunned appy Jellmy?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Who got that?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I was trying something different? She was trying to be
a bit mysterious, a bit Oh, who's this girl next door?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
When you're mysterious to become American? Is that what that was?
I was like, how do you?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, girl next door?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
American style?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Obviously what I was going for. Hello, Hello, how are
we welcome to another episode of Two Good Sports? Tell
me maybe I'm American, because I feel like that's where
all the viral sensations happen. However, this week, one of
our own dear listeners, and It's not Me, It's not Me,
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has made the interwebs both curious and mad, and millions,
I mean millions of people consider the color of a
tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
A wild world.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Georgie, So I had the privilege of being on the
cheap seats and I saw a clip during the weekend,
as you well know, being on the you've hosted the
Cheap Seats, you just find clips and you're like, no,
I reckon that'd be all right. I reckon that a goal, right,
And this was the clip and it is tennis players,
very famous ones, starting with Arina Sablenka discussing, yeah, she's
gone right, especially in Australia, the color of a tennis ball.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Now have a listen, Okay, what color is a tennis ball?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Oh my god, this question. It's bright yellow, slightly going
through the green. Yellow yellow for me, and I think
ninety of the tennis players are yellow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This challenge the fabric of what I thought life was.
Are you Georgie well American? Who knows?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I just went a tennis ball's green, like as in
tennis ball green.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
I thought that that was a shade.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I thought it was a shade, it was a color.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It had not occurred to me that some people see
that as yellow. So went on the show, held up
the ball next to a lemon, and went, surely anyone
backed me up? Not a soul backed me up, like
I was the lone ranger seeing green.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And can I just say there are a few lonelier
places in a television studio on a show that goes
to the nation with a.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Live audience and everyone crickets and not having one person
go I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
With you, joby, where were you? Because I could have
used that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I actually said that verbatim because they went to the
ad break and I was like, hey on, like ready,
steady cook, pretend that you have a lemon and a
tennis ball in someone place, and half the audience thought
it was green, and I literally go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Where were I was dying out here?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Anyway, when you get to the viral bit, they decided
to clip it up and put it on TikTok, which
I am not on because I always joke that I
don't tick all talk and Instagram and combined now it
has more than two point two million views and very
very angry people in the comments and in my dms.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
This could be the.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Third World War because people feel so angry that they're
being challenged on something they so adimantly believe to be true.
There's Sir David Attenborough being referenced.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Oh really, what has he had to say?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, apparently he was someone that brought in that it
needed to be neon yellow.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I think it's neon I know anyway, like if.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You want to have a laugh.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But also my argument was, now we understand that not
all people, if you're driving or if you're listening to us,
have a tennis ball handy. And right now you're probably
thinking like, wait, what do I think about this? Go
to your phone and put in the tennis ball emoji.
Do it right now, And you can't tell me that
Apple who let's be on a Steve Jobs wasn't mucking around.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
That has to be green. Put the lemon emoji next
to it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
If you want a reference that is it is I
will die on this green hill. I will I'll die
lonely out here. But it has been really ipning into
the things that people want to talk about a lot
and the spiels that you get.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Can I say, for anyone who has watched the Australian
Open right or any hardcourt with that vibrant blue court colors, right,
there's no way that you're watching a match live and
you think that that ball is yellow.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
There's no way, There's no way, there's no way, Like
we can all be there and we can watch Jelmy
with her experiment in real time of the lemon and
the tennis ball, and you go, oh my.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
God, that girl is color blind. It's so yellow. You're
not thinking that when you're watching a match.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
But more the point as you, well, no, when you're
in studios, lights change the color of everything. So half
the comments are people being really angry that I've got
an orange looking lemon that I've got and found like
a really oddly shade. They're like, why she got an orange,
where's the lime? I'm like, I didn't bring a whole
fruit bowl. I should roana for depth. I didn't. But
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this is the bit that George reminds me to remind you,
to remind us that we live in a strange world.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I would love for you to read out some of
the comments because I'm just having a quick scroll here
and they are making me laugh.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So these are the ones that just are really handy
for me to remember that it doesn't matter what you do,
some people are just gonna come at you. Yeah, and
that you just have to laugh it off, because again,
this is comments regarding me believing that a tennis ball
looks green. If lemon is yellow, a ball can't also
(05:50):
be yellow? Did she fail effing kindergart? Literal Professional tennis
players are saying yellow and people still say green. The
pure ignorant of this woman. So so far I'm dumb
and ignorant. So all the professional tennis players are telling
you it's yellow, but you're stubborn ass bitch knows best, dumb, ignorant,
(06:12):
stummas ad bitch, So just then, and they're angry in
my they're the ones that are public. The ones in
my dms are really really crude about where I can
shove said tennis balls.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
There's one of them.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So I just think we just have to remember the
Internet is a place where people decide to get a
little bit loose.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But it has been it has been interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I think that I've had to change the notifications on
my phone because I can't copy it. I'm gonna have
to rule out if people post on emoji, just don't
show me.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I know there's potential that you've brought this up as
maybe a bad sport of you know, people taking out
every minor inconvenience that has ever happened to them on
you and they and your comments section. But can I
just say what a great sport it says so funny,
it's do you know what?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's funny because you're fine. No, it's funny because it's us.
This just proves to me.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
That the fodder that you and I talk about that
we're going, Nah, who really is gonna this is what
the people want in sports commentary. Debating the color of
a tennis ball lights people up.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, this is how you reach everyone. Guys right here.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
And is there anything more too good sports coded other
than the fact I brought up there's a pineapple on
the trophy?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Oh, I can't there? Actually there actually is it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's been a week.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It has been a week. And next time I'm on,
I'm gonna wear a two good sports shirt. I'm gonna
make some merch get to direct them back.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Sorry this one, I'm still scrolling.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
There's so many comments.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There's one. When you free your mind from the concept
of only primary colors, your world will become much less annoying. Geez,
thank you, thanks so much. What what.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
People become? Very philosophical, very philosophical.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Look what you've done.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You've freed my mind. The impact you've had, I've freed
my mind, and it's green. It is green anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
We just don't seek to boundaries, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That's it. That's it. Apparently colour's not binary either, who knows?
Who knows? Anyway, George, give me anything else.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well, I have a little bit more of a serious
good sport bad sport, A bit of a bad sport,
but it's a reluctant bad sport. Let me explain. I
want to talk quickly about the Stephen May suspension.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah right, and his hit on Evans.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Who obviously suffered very significant injuries too.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Broke his nose, yes so, and had.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Concussion of course. So this is in the Melbourne game
against Carlton last week. I remember watching it live and going,
oh oh, Stephen May has absolutely annihilated that man. And
as I have said on this podcast many times before,
I will be the ultimate defender of you've got to
go hard when anything, when it's any kind of contact
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around the head. Yes, because we have to be serious
about concussions. I mean, forgive the phrase, but color me
a hypocrite because I.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Didn't think he should have been suspended a lot of
people on talkback radio as I was driving in saying
the same thing essentially, how are you meant to predict
the bounce of the ball, whether you're going to get
to the ball, And the tribunal said themselves, we agree
that he didn't intend to bump.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yes, and this was my thing as soon as the
AFL lawyer. So this went to the tribunal was like
a three hour hearing. I think it was. Stephen May
gave testimony as well. But I feel that for the
AFL lawyers to admit he didn't intentionally go into bump,
your case is then gone right and for him to
be able.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
To know, I do believe that you need to show
reasonable care.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't think that that's in that split second. It
was one of those freak accidents on the footy field.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I do think that he's paid a bit of Stephen maytax.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oh, I agree.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I agree in the same way that Toby Green has
a higher tariff than any other player in the game.
I think the fact that he has a history of
being that bit of an argi bargie player. I mean
three weeks some people are saying he might get up
to five, it might be season ending. Look, it's just
one of those things that I think now and again,
a lot of angry people and talk back this morning saying,
so what we just adjudicate the game based on outcome?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, you get concussion, you get suspended. That's where we're
at now, which.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I have traditionally been on this podcast very vocal in
being a fan of that. So that's why this one
it's really shaken me.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's shaken me. This decision.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure I believe in it.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well, the thing is, Stephen May himself got concussed in
that game.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
He did, so he was going to have to be
out for around or two anyway, So it's really worked
out to be like a match suspension, which I could think.
I think three was a good place to land. I
think he did need to get found guilty purely for
the level of impact.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
If the DS were going to be finals contenders.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
This would be more. It would be huge, it would
be huge. And it's also it's also about saying that
he should be able to predict whether or not he
would get to the ball first, and also to predict
the bounce of the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's an oblong ball.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
You can't predict the bounce of footage, No one can. No, no,
I agree, that's a very very good one from you.
Hot takeo.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Look out, my god.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
But speaking of.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
We have a hot guess who is an Australian slash
sporting icon.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yes, that's coming up.
Speaker 7 (11:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
It's not often that you get a pep talk from
an Australian captain. Jelmy, I say it all the time.
When was the last time that you had one? Think
about it, dear listener, I have been very fortunate to
have had a few from our guest today. Back when
we'd both get to share a National news desk. Whether
I wasn't feeling my outfit or was stressing about how
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to perfectly word a question, this person would simply look
at me with the poise and grace and fire of
a two time Commonwealth gold medallist and say, stop fucking
worrying about that. Words to live by hell, put them
on my tombstone. Because if you were told baby George
or Baby jell Me that they could simply call Liz
(12:37):
Ellis whenever they wanted, and she'd likely answer, well, we
would damn well have looked at you with awkward brows
and gangly limbs, with zero Commonwealth medals to our name.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And said, put that on my tombstone.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Put that on our tombstone. Everyone who meets Liz falls
in love with her. Indeed, when she was announced as
part of the cast for I'm a Celebrity, Get me
out of here. I remember declaring to anyone and everyone, oh, well,
she'll win, and she did. There are many titles we
could use to describe her Royalty, captain, chairperson, Order of Australia, recipient, mum, author,
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former lawyer, television host, keynote speaker, MC netbull, god, but
my favorite is friend. Let's be real, There's only ever
been one Queen Liz in our eyes, and she's with us.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Please bow stand to attention for lizz elis welcome to
do this.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, it's so lovely to be you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Thanks for that beautiful introduction, Georgie tuney.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
But do you know actually I've just got my.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Son off to school on the bus and I kicked
my daughter out of the house about an hour ago
to get on her bus. And I think they need
to listen to that because they have a genuflect and
they don't care.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Tell me it ain't so lose. They don't know that
they're living every day with royalty.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
They couldn't give a shit.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
No, I'm just mum and I nag and I feed
them food that they don't like, you know, I made
stew last night and my son turned his nose up.
So you know, they do give me. Having children gives
you a reality check, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Oh? Mate, I can't every second of every day.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And Auntie George Georgia came over with the other day
when I had my too, and she's like, cool, so
like when do you eat? Bouncing the two of them pureing,
and she's like looked at me to be like, so
when when do you do the things? And I'm like,
any day now, any day now, I'll find it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
And then you know, when you're in the trenches with
them when they're toddlers, you're like oh, and then like
you get out of that.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
But now my kids play every.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Sport, every sport, and so we just spend my husband
and I spend our whole time talking logistics about drop
off and pick up and who's going to do this
and get into training and then you go, oh my god,
we've got to feed them when they walk in the
door starving hungry. So anyhow well, I mean, I'd like
to say that my life is a well or a machine,
but it clanks along. Well.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
If we are going to talk about kids sport, My
childhood was punctuated and circled around netball. I trained fortnights
a week, I played twice on the weekend. I was
that kid that always had permanent market numbers down my
legs as though trying out the district or association or
everything in the course dress. My dad used to call
me the center half back from Hell because he didn't
(15:23):
quite understand the positions. But I once got sent off
a netball court for growling. I did, honestly in year four.
They did it toss and I literally got that into it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I get white line fever.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
But netball has always had a special place in my heart,
and I deeply believe that kids that play team sport
and netball learn about sometimes you're not going to make
the team. Sometimes you've got to work really hard for
something and it might go your way and it might not.
But it's that it was so special and it was
so formative in me netball, and it's something that I
think is so important.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
For young girls as well. And now we have Queen
Liz on the pod.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
But I know that Liz, you have a special skill
for guessing people's positions.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I may have told her something I do.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Can you can you give a bit of a scope
of what you think now, George, George like for absolute seconds?
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, okay, I mean, I reckon, I've got it.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
But I'll ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Okay, great, Do you.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Organize a social situation with your friends or do you
just turn up and hope for the best.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
At this stage of my life, I do turn up
and hope for the best. But previously I would be
an organizer, but kids kill me.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah, when you are not podcasting, what is your occupation journalist?
Speaker 5 (16:35):
So you like to talk to people? Yep, I reckon.
You're in the mid court.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
You're a center, see I I do identify as mid court,
but you're a goal attack.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I'm a GD she was a defender.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I know.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
But I've given you a bit of a bumpstier there
by saying like I am a rock up and hope
for the best, Like I am right. The thing is
what what what you can't Liz, because you are joining
us remotely, is what I.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Would describe as Ellis esque elbows. So yeah, they're real sharp.
They're real sharp, and that's what you can't see from
the grand feet.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Or my item spand is actually one eighty. So when
they did the waist testing. I was meant to be.
That's what I was in all the development stuff with
association networks. They're like, this one's going to be six
to one.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
You know, you threw me, you threw me? Or how
tall are you?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
One seventy. They kept pushing me into w d oh god,
something bad. I know, I know it really did.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
That's a big But you threw me with your with
your social situation, right, because it's a giveaway. Normally, if
you organize, you're a shooter or a center because defenders
are too busy running the world to organize social stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
That's actually that's kind of you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it all, it all lines up, It all lines up.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I don't organize anything socially. Cath Cox does all of
that for a game. And she was a goal shooter.
Occasionally she played goal attack, but we lis like to
get her back in a box when she ran out there.
But yeah, so she organizes it all, and it's it's
I'm like, she's such a shooting and it's all about
the lip gloss.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
In the hair.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Now they say that to me, good shooter, You've got
to empty your head as you shoot because you've got
three seconds to stand there, so it's all about empty
in your mind. And I'm going to say the best shooters.
I know that's not hard.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
There's not much to be dropping.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
See.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
For me, I had the great, great privileges sitting opposite
Cath as she was inducted into the Sports Australia Hall
of Fame, and she had the most. She got really
teary actually when she was speaking about you and your
friendship and what that's meant for her.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
How special has it been for you?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Because honestly, if you ask most Australians who's the best
netballer in the country, they'll say lizz Ella's and Cathcocks.
Still still still, it still permeates, and I think that's
something that I know going forward, you're hoping to have
more household names as our current netballers, but that friendship
between the two of you is pretty special.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And look, I've got to say that the time that
Kath and I drop out of both the best known
netballers and I'll be thinking to myself that I've done
my job. But in the meantime it's funny, you know,
my sister, I've got a younger sister who's twenty two
months younger than me, and she played netball and she
was Coxy's friend first because they played in schoolgirls teams together.
So my sister, who I'm still very close to, we
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both live in the same country town and regional New
South Whale. She always says to me that I stole
her friend Coxy off her, and then actually she moved
to Hong Kong for a few years, so I stole
all of her other friends in Balanor as well.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So it's been a patent through while whole life.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
But you know, Coxy and I the first time we're
ever in a team, it was a New South Wales
Opens team and she was a kid, she was like
seventeen or eighteen, and we had this great funny woman
in our team, Kelley Devy, who's you know she eventually
she was eventually ended up being our boss at Channel nine.
She was head of netball when Netball was at nine
and Keeler was really naughty and she made Catherine on
(19:56):
our first trip away like chuck brown Eyes out the
back of the bus.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Brown Eyes, I'm expecting you to say that, Queen Liz.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It was so naughty, Like, now we'll be put on
social media and that's the end of your career, right, Yeah, Brown,
I was like, oh, we're going to be best friends.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I love that was the QUANTU five. You're like, ah,
I see you not.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We have similar skill levels. I feel like we may
be on Siller teams. It's like, oh, you're mooning people
out the bus.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Absolutely, the bar is live because on.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You reflecting and you know, talking about your job being
done when we do have more household names that aren't
yourself and the divine brown eye cocks. How do we
do that? How are we going about that? How are
you going about that? Because Liz, I don't know how
you have time to sleep? Like just how I asked,
(20:58):
I did legitimately ask tell me you know, when can
she eat? I don't know when you can sleep, let
alone breathe. You're so busy and now you are chair
of netflorl straight, Like, what are you doing to make
sure that your job or your role in that area
at least is obsolete soon?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Absolutely, I don't sleep because I lie in bed at
night and think about all the things that I want
to do with my sport. And you know I used
to sit outside the administration and be quite critical.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And then I had an epiphany one day.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I thought to myself, either I can continue to do
this and really go down in history as you know,
an ex athlete with relevance deprivation syndrome, or I can
actually get in and do something about it. And I've
really enjoyed sort of getting my head under the bonnet,
and it confirmed my earliest suspicions at NETBIW has this
enormous potential the.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Thing that really holds us back. And I got to
ask this in a meeting yesterday.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
You know how come AFLW and NRLW and BBL Women's
BBL have sort of shot pass us. It's simply money, right,
we don't have the money to invest in really critical
things that we need to do. And we're in the
process at the moment of trying to change that around
and we're seeking investment into super netball. The product is fantastic.
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The athletes do an amazing job week in week out.
They put on a great spectacle. They are supported so
much by the netball community. And that's not just playing community.
It's a fan community. And we're on track. It's you know,
it's it's a preliminary final this weekend for sun Corps
Super Netball and already we've broken the record that we
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set last year for the most attended women's sports league
in Australian history. Right, so we are absolutely on a roll.
And our crowd averages are our peak craws up.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
You know, you go to Perth and Ivy, that's where
you're from.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But you know, go the fever to early to early.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know, we've got we've got great athletes, we've got
really committed fans. We know that fans of women's sport
are more likely than fans of men's sport to identify
to see the athletes as role models. They're far more
likely to view positively a sponsor of the sport of
an athlete.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So we've got this.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Really great sort of research base now about the behavior
of women's sports fans, and netball fans in particular are
even more likely to sort of sit on that high
on that spectrum. And you know, anecdotally you hear that
netball fans speak to sponsors and they're really grateful for
the sponsorship. And you know, we know we do really
well in terms of streaming, and you know, people want
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to pay to get netball content. I think the thing
that we have really struggled with is simply having the
resources to tell our stories. Well, we've got great athletes
with great stories from all around the world.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
Super Netball is the world's best netball league.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
You you only have to scratch the surface to find
athletes from Jamaica and Africa and you know England and
they've all got fantastic stories. And our Australian players all
have these brilliant stories. We just haven't had the money
to invest in storytelling and that's one of the things
that we're really looking at. Okay, how do we change that?
How do we partner with companies who are really mission
aligned to netball and who share the same value is
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to tell our stories really well.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
So that's probably the piece that's missing.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And once we start telling those stories, then Coxy and
I are becomently obsolete.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Right we just sit in the background drinking sharaay.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I don't know. I don't know if it's actually possible
for you to be obsoletely is, But let's talk about
the product. Let's talk about some of those partnerships. I
want you to take off your chair hat just for
a second and put on your sister act fangirl hat. Yes,
what was your reaction when you heard that Whoopie Goldberg
was interested in having super Netball be broadcast on her
(24:33):
fucking network?
Speaker 5 (24:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
And you know, my god was smacked. It was amazing, right,
And the best part about it was that she her people.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Actually contacted us.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
They saw netball on our socials, actually came across the
game looking at our socials and went, oh, we need
this on our network. Right, So here's this woman's women's sport,
you know, played by women, administered by women, umpied by women,
and the crowds for not they saw, went yet, we
need that, So they contacted us.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
There was a meeting.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Pretty soon after the meeting, our team sent a heap
of merch to Whoope and her team and that looked
so you know then you.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Know, so I sort of knew that was going on.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
And then one of them just sent me out of
the Blivies video of Whoopee Goldberg talking about netball, and
I got really emotional. I was like, this is amazing.
It's the start of something really big. And I have
known for years, since I was a little tacker, that
netball is this amazing sport. And you know, you guys
sort of talked about it before. It does so much
for young women. Increasingly, it does enormous amounts for young men.
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We are the fastest growing sport for men and boys
in the country, and it's sort of been a bit
of a secret and we're not very good at beating
our chest about it. And suddenly he's he's Whoopy Goldberg
talking about it. So it was a real light bulb
moment to say, yet, we've got to get out there,
we've got to push it, we've got to talk about it,
we've got to talk it up and to have you know,
we're now on the all Women's Sports network. And it
(25:57):
does confuse me though, Like I see their socials and
it says, you know, super netbaw two am Eastern Standard time,
and I'm like, no, that's wrong. And then I realize
they're talking in US times.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
It confuses me, right, I'm like, no, it teams got
it wrong.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
No, our teams are okay, it's fine, it's fine, and
you know, and then you know, we've got another a
streaming deal with Invalley and like there's you can essentially
access the sport globally and that really plays into the
bid that we're talking about at the moment, which is
a bid for the twenty thirty two Olympics. We're working
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really hard to line to make sure we line up
everything so that when that process opens, either at the
end of this year or early next year, we're good
to go. I think this is a once in a
generation moment for netball to become an Olympic sport. And
you know, if you think I was emotional when Whoopie
Goldberg talked about netball, if netball was names as an
Olympic sports that three months, I've been the feeder position,
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crying with happiness.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
It'll be amazing.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yes, And honestly, and I'm sure you felt this way,
But we sit back where like, I mean, rock climbing, skateboarding.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Fine, netball fine, yeah, Like come on.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
And I deny any of those sports.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Actually, one of my I coached my my daughter's under
fourteen's club team netball team, and one of the girls
in the team, her brother is a really talented skateboarder,
and I suspect he'll end up on the team for
Brisbane twenty thirty two. So I'm hand on heart. Yeah,
I'm here for the skateboarding. But yeah, look, I think netball.
I don't want to disrespect any other sports, but I
think netball has certainly it's yeah, it's the you know,
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it's the largest women's sport in Australia. You know, should
should netball get into the Olympics. You know, Olympics have
hit parody or very close to parody with athlete numbers
male and female athletes. But what netball would bring would
be parody around coaches, administrators, umpires, and that's really the
next step. So I think, you know, I think netball
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would have and it would make an enormous contribution to
the Brisbane twenty thirty twos.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Well, we actually sent more women than men to Paris
as a country, and I think that that's such a
good mark for where we're at.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But I also think you've got it. In order to.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Keep young girls participating in the sport, they need to
be able to see goals that they want to achieve
and see it as because as you well known, as
you've alluded to, it is such a highly participated sport netball,
but it is hard when you start getting to the
amount of hours that need to be committed to that
whether or not they keep playing into later life, and
having something like an Olympics on the horizon just does
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so much to keep women in the sport.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh absolutely, And I think you know our secret sources.
You know we're a massive participant sport for women, but
when you take a step back from playing or from
the women on the.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Court, we actually outstrip every other.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Sport in the world for female administrators, for leaders. You know,
you look at our national body, We're a female CEO.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
We've got a female chair. Six of the nine board
members are women.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
If you look at the state bodies, I think there's
two men who are chair. All the other state bodies
are chaired by women. All the CEOs of women. Like
that leadership role that women even in sports where the
participants are achieving parody. Netball is just streets ahead, and
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it's a sport where women often learn how to lead.
And so I think we need to also tell the
story of our athletes, but also tell the story of
our sport as a massive economic driver for this country
because it creates female leaders, and it creates women who
are resilient, who can communicate, who can work as part
of a team, who are prepared to step up and
lead even when they're not on the court playing. They
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learned so much in the periphery and I think that's
a great story that our sport can tell.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, tell us the story then, Liz, of this final
series because we have one Grand finalist locked in Abbey's fever.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Oh that M word in sport momentum.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
It's a capital M for the fever. At the moment,
they have just been taking everyone in this right. But
it's the opposite for the Swifts, who started the season
so strongly and now they've sort of fallen into this
potential qualifier for the Grand Final taking on the Vixen's.
It's everything you could want. It's New South Wales taking
on Melbourne. How you've seen the game this weekend? And
who do you think takes it out overall?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Well, now that I'm the chair, supposed to be Switzerland,
but every one day that I'm Swiftzerland.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I was like, as soon as Joey was talking about
the hole that the Swifts found themselves in, I was like,
it's a good thing Liz isn't in this studio.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
The elbows had come out because they couldn't have had
a stronger start to the season and especially they were
taking everyone in their wake, and then all of a sudden,
it's like, hang on, as they say, you've got to
play the good.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Sport at the right time. You got to find you
for Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Yeah, you don't win the trophy after the first eight
rounds and unfortunate if the finals were held after round seven,
round eight, the Swifts would have been holding the trophy.
So they've fallen in a hole. But I think the
thing that really stands out to me about the Swifts
is that they are a team full of superstars. So yes,
you know this is a this is still or die
for them, so but they've got the players who can
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bring it. Having said that, they come into this preliminary
final and a massive down and like that was a
record loss to the Fever last week, and I was
watching it enough and I thought, this is enough to
drive me to drink and in fact, so you know it,
it was a really unswift slight performance.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
And I know that they're hurting.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
I'm great mates with briani Ak or their coach, and
she I was messaging her after the game and she
was really hurting, So you know, I know they've had
a pretty honest week, but they're facing a Vixen's team
who are coming off an amazing game against the Thunderbirds
you know, to be Adelaide at home in a final.
The last time they played Adelaide in a final was
a Grand Final last year and they lost by you know,
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the slimmest of margins. So Vixen's are on the way
out sweeps of Copt to beating. But I think these
two teams are teams that absolutely bring the best out
in each other and I think it's going to be
a terrific game in netball.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
So I'm really excited. I hopefully.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Will be able to sit in my land room and
really enjoy it. So yeah, and then I think it
sets us up whoever wins. Both of those teams are
really capable of taking it to Fever the following week.
So yeah, it's super, super exciting, and you know, I
hope we get a big crowd at Kutos Bank Arena
on Sunday in Sydney and then an even bigger crowd
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at Rod Lavery and Melbourne the following week.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Well, I think the thing is and all credit to
the Fever.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
It was almost the perfect game, like it was almost
like every player on that side played out of their
skin at the one time. And sometimes the planet's just
aligned for you and you can tell those fits are
there going what can we even try to do here?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It was a pretty remarkable game to watch.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It was and you know, lots of people talk about
Janielle Fawllert Nembad.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
And what a story that.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
It was an amazing story. And she's a phenomenal athlete,
and I think, you know, for her, the tragedy of
what happened to her earlier in the year when she
lost her baby in pregnancy, I think it spurred her
onto two bigger and better things this year. She's incredibly fit,
she looks really focused. You know, she's amazing. But I
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think to just focus on her loser side of the
fact that it was probably the best all court performance
that I've seen in Fever ever, certainly this year, maybe
even ever. It was from the you know, from their
goalkeeper down, everyone was on song. And what really struck
me was that when Fever got a turnover, the speed
at which they moved the ball down court. You know,
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Janille was at the end of that and she repays
them every single time they turned the ball over. And
you can't underestimate how much confidence that gives you as
a defender. You lift your game because you know when
you get the ball it's going down the other end
that it's going to get scored off.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
So they wasted it again exactly.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
But you know, she's phenomenal. But I think you've got
to give credit to the entire Favor team. It was
a phenomenal performance. It was you know, as much as
it says play so poorly, I think they weren't allowed
to play well because the Fever were.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Just so good.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Yeah, and the Vixen's had very cool heads, is the
way I would describe against the Thundbirds. They just seem
to come at it with this maturity and this energy
where and it's hard against the Thunderbirds as well. They
were going to try to go back to back to back,
so you knew that they know what it's like to
get into the big dance. But there was just this
calmness about them that I went or hang on it.
I hate to say it, Liz, but it's not a
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great no.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's dicey for I'm just saying she's doubting them.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
They're coming in.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
They're coming in from different points, right off the back
of the games that they just played, and it's going
to be But again, like, I love talking about this,
and I have a privilege of working on offsiders and
getting to talk about netball predominantly with someone like Bianka
Chapfield who comes in and I say it every time
I see the crowdshot, So I'm like, can we just
freeze on the crowd shot? Everyone's losing their mind? Yeah,
(34:58):
the stadium is packed, they're all merched, and I'm like, no,
wonda whoopee wants in? Yeah, of course, because you look
at that engagement and you're like, there are sports, namely
NRL where where sometimes you see these pans of the
crowd and you're like, hang, people must be watching at
home because they don't rock up.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Netball fans rock up and you can't hear yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well, and people can't buy themselves by their daughters enough merch.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, oh, don't don't even get a started. We are
merch fans.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
We love some merch.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
We will bury us in merch, bury us in merch.
I seem to remember you telling me, Liz that you
coached your daughter's netball team.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Oh my, did you yes? I still do yes, I
we still do yes.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
So can you imagine can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Your coach being lizz Ella?
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah, your coach. They don't care. They're fourteen year old girls.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
They really couldn't they Again, they don't give a shit
like my kids. They don't care because I'm just the
one who makes a run hard at training and yells
at them on Saturday. So they don't care. And you know,
I live in a small town. The opposite people are like, oh,
I imagine Lizella's coaching, rocking up and coaching you know,
your opposition coach.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
They don't care. They couldn't care less.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
It's but that's the beauty.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
It's like, it's the beauty of kids' sport, right, Like
I just all I care about for these girls is
that they enjoy the sport.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
They continue to play the sport.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
You know, I know we're at that critical point where
where girls can drop out, and like, I just want
to make sure that they stay in the sport and
take all the good things from the sport. And like
I've won my World Cup, so I don't need to
win my World Cup.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
On a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
So I'm probably a bit more relaxed than people might think, Majie.
If we make the Grand Final this year, I won't
be relaxed. But I just love coaching them because it
actually just keeps reminding me when things get really hard.
When I sit on when I sit in this chair role,
I just think about those girls. It's them that drives
me because I think they deserve a sport that is
a Tier one sport.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I just know that if Jelmy and I were coaching
the opposite team and we rocked up and we saw
you with a.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Selfie pre game, I'm like, guys, get your own oranges.
I'd be like, I'm going to go talk to the Queen.
I'd be like sco is knee do I bound one.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I'd be like scorers pens away, pens away, get rid
of them, libs, keep them packed, keep them packed by leaving,
we're leaving.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
I do love kids as a universal leveler. Because it's
funny you say that. I saw a photo during the
week of Chris Judd was coaching under nines and one
of the boys is doing a handstand as so far
from listening to one of the greates of the game
that he's just like, I just don't care, and there's
something really nice about that where it's like they're here
to throw the balls, to kick the ball because they
love it. And I think in sports administrators you're like,
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how do I extend that love? And it's amazing that
you mentioned our favorite team, the Kelpies and how well
men's netball is doing. How important is that men's growth
to the opportunity of having something like netball ad an
Olympic Games.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, it's it's it's super important, and I think there's
a couple of points to it, right, you know, we
want to be in the Olympics. Having the men's game
as strong as it is is really helpful for that.
But I think the bigger picture with men and boys
coming into the sport is that we are unashamedly and
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you'll see this in our strategic plan when it comes
out a bit later this year. We are unashamedly leaning
into the fact that we are a sport built by
women for women, and I think that is our strength,
that is our superpower, that is our secret source.
Speaker 5 (38:30):
But that's not to the exclusion of men and boys.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
We're actually really clear about the fact that there is
absolutely a space for men and boys in our game.
And as much as our game teaches women to lead,
it also has the opportunity to teach men and boys
how to be led by women. And I think that's
a really important thing that our sport can deliver. But
also our sport is a place for young men and
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boys who don't quite find what they need or what
suits them in the football.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Codes or with the cricket codes. Right, it's another option.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's like AFL cricket, rugby league, rugby union places where
girls can express themselves. Now I think we can have
boys playing and we offer them something different. My little girl,
for example, plays rugby union. She's a talented player, she
plays state championships, and she's got both of these really
great sides to her sporting sort of journey. And my
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little boys about to play in his first netball tournament
for school this week, and I'm excited about it, right
because I'm like, he will see the skill leveling netball
and it offers something different.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
And frankly, I.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Actually think we've got something great to offer men and
boys because we don't have the same concussion issues that
the football codes have, right, So you know, it's a
safe sport from that point of view, you know, as
families juggle being busier, netball is a sport that happens
at the same time and the same place every week.
I think we're just we're just really a different offering,
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not just for girls and women, but for men and boys.
And I think the place where our sport is really
thriving is in mixed competitions and social social me. Yeah,
that my local association, the Twilight League in spring. It's
it's great. You know, there's kids rocking up wearing two two's,
it's really relaxed. There's lots of you know, there's lots
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of teams, and so I think, you know, our sport
can really cater for men and boys in that way too.
I just think that, yeah, that's great on the court,
love having men and boys playing. But I think it
also serves a much bigger picture, which is something that
really excites me.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Isn't any wonder that would follow you into battle, Liz?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I really don't think so. No, I mean how I mean,
I've always been in yeah, yeah, you actually have.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You Actually, it's actually crazy. What was harder, Liz winning
three World championships or the Jungle.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Winning three World Championships four years, right, so every World
Cup takes four years of prep, whereas the Jungle was
just twenty one days.
Speaker 5 (40:54):
And it was hard in there, right was actually it
might have been twenty eight days.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
I lost out, you know, it was like, well it
was it took the time that it took to eat
four gazelle's eyeballs.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
I don't know. The hardest thing was just killing time, right, It's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
There's not much killing the gazelle, so yeah, well no,
thankfully I don't have to go and do that. But
and then everything in the in the jungle is like
literally hard, like all the surfaces are hard.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I'm an old lady.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
My hip started to hurt, everything started to hurt, so
that they were hard. But also what sport teaches you
is just to put your head down and your ass
up and just and you know that there's an endlment,
so you know, and I used to joke that the
thing that got me through labor was was doing five
day netball cats when normal Plumber was a coach. Right,
I knew that labor wouldn't take five days if I.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Couldn't get through it. And it was the same with
the jungle.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I knew the jungle wasn't going to go on for
four years, so I was like, well like minimums two weeks, maximum,
it's five weeks whatever. I'm in here with some really
interesting fun people. I get to do stuff that I
don't ever get to do. You know, my family got
to come. Over the fact that they that they came.
I was like, well, it's great. It was hepes so fun.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
It was hard, but it was fun.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Only one final question, Liz, And firstly we just want
to say thank you so much for finding the time.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
We love Netborle.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
How can we the fans champion you and your mission
to have these household names? What are you hoping that
Australians can do and react to that mission? About as
you said, and it's so funny that parallels between this
podcast and your mission in saying we're not exclusively for women,
but we're very proudly for women. It's not exclusively everyone
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is welcome, yes, but we're creating a space where we
may feel like they found their niche in sport and
we're proud of that. How can people get behind netball?
And it sounds like such an obvious question is in
go to games, but there are more tangible ways that
people can do things. And I'm sure are your KPIs
of what you're looking for? What can what's your call
out for listeners if they're thinking, oh, yeah, I could
(42:57):
get back into netball.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah. I think there's probably two parts to it.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
One is that if you haven't played for a long time,
when you want to just go and find your local
association and getting things have changed right. There's social comps,
there's mixed comps, its heaps of fun, So go and
play most importantly, But the other thing is start to
follow on socials. Start to make sure you watch the games,
talk about the games to people who aren't familiar you know,
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and call people out when you know when you can.
Sometimes you hear people say, oh, but Netbull's boring or
women's sport is boring. You've got to have the courage
to call people out because the proof is actually on
your television screens every week. No matter what sport you watch,
when women are playing, it's a vastly different sport to
when men play, and that actually makes it more interesting.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
I think.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
So be prepared to stand up for your sport, be
prepared to go out and play, and go by merch
by ticks. You know, if you can, if we can
fill out Rod Labor Arena next week, certainly makes my
job and the CEO's job easy when it comes to
budget time at.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
The end of the year.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
So you know, women's sport at the end of the day.
It's the thing that we're lacking is the financial resources
to really tell our story as well.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
So you know, if you can buy a piece of merch,
if you can buy a ticket, if you can buy
a membership.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
To a club, that all helps and follow the account
so that when you on sell to those brands, it's
the amount of eyes that are going to be across
the brands. So that is something whether it like go
and just follow your local team and.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Follow your local team, follow the diamonds. You know, there's
and that's something that's free.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah, totally, and you can do it right now.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
So get your phones out, get your follow and if
you're not following Queen Liz, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
What are you doing?
Speaker 5 (44:31):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
I don't get on socials much these days. I'm not
much chopped, but anything.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Please please, you will get around it.
Speaker 4 (44:38):
Actually, very very very quickly, we mentioned Rod Labor, what
color is a tennis ball, Liz.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
How do you know she knows.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
That answer some Monday mornings.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Of course you do with all your spare time.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Your spare time, Queen Liz, we will bow down to
you forever. Thank you so much for being with us
and we're so excited about twenty thirty two, among other things.
Speaker 5 (45:03):
Thanks Team.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
The Queen, the.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Queen Teava, Queen, she's just the best.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
I just like the ten year old me, just lost
their mind. It's Liz Ellis. I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
I used to watch her sitting around the TV every
was it a Saturday afternoon and they used to get
the games you skip broadcast in Brisbane. I'm not sure,
but I would be watching it. I'd be like, oh,
there's Queen Liz. There's Queen Liz the golfer.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
Reckon, she's ever been asked the color of a tennis ball?
Because that leads into our fun fact and it turns
out surprising no one. Queen Liz was right because, as
we've been recording, Ben Locke, Hello, thank you for your time.
Ben has just this in with a smiley facaying yellow balls. Now,
before this week, I wouldn't have opened the link, just
(45:51):
letting you know that would have gone straight through to
the keeper. But I say it's an embarrassing bodies I
saw super David Attenborough is the cover PHO. I'm like, oh,
let's have a listen and thank you Ben for the
fun fact tennis balls used to be white.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
A great bounce is what makes a great tennis ball.
Wilson were not number one for nothing.
Speaker 8 (46:13):
It wasn't until nineteen eighty six that Wimbledon made the
official switch to yellow balls. Sir David Attenborough, who was
a BBC studio controller at the time, was the man
behind the change. In the nineteen seventies, tennis began being
broadcast in color, and Attenborough realized that white balls were
difficult to see on television. Nobody had noticed the issue
before because everyone was used to watching tennis in black
(46:35):
and white. After an in depth study, the International Tennis
Federation agreed that bright yellow balls were more visible and
the change was made.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
David Attenborough so in one corner, see.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
The wild ball was too white to be seen on television,
so we brought in the yellow and everyone got very
confused about what the totals. That is.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
The greatest thing you may have ever done on this podcast.
And can I just say that I was immediately struck
because you sounded uncannily like Sir David Attenborough. But also,
and this is going to be a deep cut, like
Nigel thornbe from The Wild thorn Breeze.
Speaker 7 (47:21):
Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Was a mash. I live in Thornbury.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
So there's randomly stickers of Nigel thorn bree everywhere because
someone thought that it would be. And if you don't
know the reference, what were you doing not watching ABC
Kids during that?
Speaker 5 (47:38):
What were you doing?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Eliza Thornbreees she had a monkey named darwhen it's a
whole remember, and he just hello, I'm Nigel's and today
we're studying the wild boar redfree redfree up in here.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
I'm so glad Queen Liz isn't on the line for this,
but I do hope she's listening.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Oh there you go, There you go. So David Attenborough, Well,
we can't.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Look, we can take on a lot of people on
this podcast, I think you and I we can't really
take on to David Attenborough, like, like you know, if
he says we'd have.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Him on the pod, we'd have him on the pod.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
We have him on the pod. He's probably listening right now.
So David, I know you're a bit busy, you know,
solving the world. But if invitation open invitation.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
It might work. For sir, it really did it.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
I love you, Love this Love Queen Lee's follow netballers
and until next week be at
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