November 21, 2023 • 37 mins
Mike Harmon and Kerry Rhodes update Monday Night Football between the Eagles and Chiefs. NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys for all the BIG headlines from around the league. And Jim Harbaugh’s locker room is a lot like his mom’s bathing suits, like to see them in one piece.
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
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week eleven in your National Football League season. As we
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some desert sojourn, perhaps trying to go in and find
some peace and enlightenment or oh maybe an extra beer
for or an extra wheel of cheese, I don't know.
In his stead Carry Roads years in the National Football League.
He's an actor, he's a musician, he's a mad about
towns at Carrie twenty five Roads.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
In the Twitter slash ex world, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Man, I was the one that cuts you off in traffic,
So I'm I'm a little on edge right now.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Watch But I watched the guy then go back into
the other lane and do the same thing and almost
rear end someone, And I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, because I did. I didn't want you to think
it was personal. Yeah yeah, I want you to know
that I'm your equal opportunists.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I want to bump a few people in the way
because I knew it was gonna be a big day today,
Monday Night Football, going on a lot of stuff around
the Inn, Bill world and just the world in general.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So excited to be here, brother, that's good to be
with you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Obviously, as we get going tonight, we've got Chiefs at
Eagles Monday Night Football, ten twenty two remaining in the
third A seventeen to seven lead for the Chiefs defense
getting it done, but you wouldn't expect even with the
seventeen points. You like, Oh, Patrick Mahomes, he's rolling seventy
eight yards, but does have two touchdown strikes one to
(02:25):
Travis Kelcey and yes, Justin Watson. We keep waiting for
that other receiver to emerge. I placed some fantasy wagers
on him early in the season with some and had
him sitting on the ross for a while. But then
injuries start to mount and I can't wait anymore. So
he had to go on. Yeah, exactly six targets for
him that I three catches thirty three yards and to
score Kelsey two for eleven and a score. But it's
(02:48):
the story of the defense that is making the Eagles
look pedestrian at best. A Jalen hurts five of seven
forty six yards and an interception. You do have forty
six yards and a touchdown on the from DeAndre Swift,
but when you get down to it, they're making them
look slow, ineffective. And it's coming out of a bye week.
So now we're looking at the Chiefs defense and perhaps
(03:11):
a little more respect on their name because they came
into the week tied for the fewest points allowed per
game with the forty nine ers, who everybody acknowledges and
has said all along, look at this defense, right, I
think the Chiefs, everybody's so enamored with the Mahomes, Kelsey
and the offensive side of things kind of just pushed
it aside. Yeah that's cute, but it's in the end,
(03:31):
it's gonna be like, no, no, this defense is gonna
keep them not only in games, but it's gonna win
them games. What it's all because let's talk about playoffs
right when we get to the plats.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
What do you need?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I need a defense to shut a team down. And
right now they're making Jalen Hurts look like a jag.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Just another guy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
You know what's beautiful about this team right now is
they're they're winning in new ways. They're they're reinventing themselves
into a point now where again, defense is on the forefront.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
And also just not with the defense here, the running
game's been really well as well. They've added that to
the mix with Pacheco and those guys. So you know
you said it Hurts is only five for seven. He's
only had five seven attempts So that means Kansas City's
keeping the ball, doing some ball control there as they
move on and being able to adapt their game to
what's going to happen right now, right And I mean
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it's a wet day in Kansas City. It's a little slippery,
so running the ball is a little bit more advantageous.
And yeah, I mean if you can win in this
league no matter how, and you start to find a
new identity even as you're still winning, that's that's a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
To be the man. You gotta beat the man. They
always say two point nine yards per play. Thus far
from Philadelphia, they just ran their twenty seventh play.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
You know, the biggest thing that happened for Kannessity that
just thought about it, it was the bringing after that
first game, bringing Jones back. Remember remember that he was
he was gonna hold out and he was holding out
for a while, and they saw that first game against
Detroit and was like, we should probably bring Jones back
and then.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Figure out the body, shuffle things around, come to an agreement.
We got to get through this year. Let's make it work.
And looks most guys came back very quickly. Right there
was the I made my statement I don't know what
you really did, but you got there. In some cases,
guy's got a little bit more guaranteed money. Maybe they
got a handshake agreement of some incentives on the back
(05:22):
end and we'll take care of you, promises and all
of that. But you know, as we sit here tonight,
we're watching this defense fly around, and for Jalen Hurts,
it's been a difficult proposition. We're always still wondering about
his knee in a day, in a week, where Joe
Burrow's injury was such a big deal, right and the
investigation whatever that becomes of how hurt was he was he?
(05:46):
You know, what was it? An injury that really precipitated?
What occurred? Are those separate incidents, all of those things.
But with Jalen Hurts, we've been wondering about his knee
for weeks and he keeps playing, but when he's asked
about it, he gets terse he walks away and leaves
the podium without saying a word about it. So that's
one of those all right, what's there? Like what's real?
(06:09):
And we've seen him scramble about. He's moving our right
at times, but it's a little more judicious and not
the same, you know, play react that you're used to
with him.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, he's not taking it to the house right now.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
You can see that he has a little gtch in
his step, and yeah, he's doing enough to move the
chains and play the way that Philadelphia wants to play,
still being a pseudo threat, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
But he's not the same right now.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And we were talking off air a little bit earlier
about how I feel that Philadelphia's offense has gotten really predictable.
And you play a good defense like this and you
start to be predictable, and this is going to be
the result. So I mean, they're going to have to
find a way to get him healthy, and it doesn't
look like that's going to happen this year. But you know,
Philly is one of those teams that keeps finding the
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way to win, and you know, they have a coach
that's really aggressive, and so they use no going into
the game. They're going to have four down to get
the first down, which is a little bit of an
advantage because you're getting to the throat. In short, you know,
you got two opportunities to get it. So let's see
how that progresses moving forward. But yeah, Philadelphia's I'll say
that I'm not as scared of. I know a lot
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of people think they, you know, it could be the
top team or whatever, and that's to us, but I
don't think they are.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, you had a fourth and thirteen precipitating a punt,
then they had the touchdown drive, then they threw the pick,
and then the punt was I mean so deep in
their own territory. So even there, you're not getting guts
and it was you know, fourth and seventeen exactly, So
you haven't you haven't seen those normal short yardage you know,
(07:45):
brotherly shove or whatever else that we've had and become
so accustomed to to rolling out, you know, to where
you start imposing your will, because that's been the Philadelphia identity.
We've seen that with Baltimore for years. Trying to shift
it up a little bit, but they still want to
play bully ball with Gus Edwards when it's at the
end of the day, especially as the months get colder.
(08:07):
But it's funny you mentioned with with Jalen Hurts right
in terms of getting healthier, it's like the only guy
that's ever gotten healthier while playing was Joe Burrow and
that calf, which made no sense to anybody. To me,
it makes no sense, but hey, so be it that.
That was fine and they were starting to find their way,
but now you have that injury that that casts their
(08:28):
season into peril. To be kind. So you know up
until this week, and we'll get deeper into the Steelers
as we go through carry But you know, our buddy
Todd Furman out of Vegas the Bet the Board podcast
joins us we do the lines he had actually tweeted out,
I guess what kind of deal does Mike Tomlin have
with the devil Deshaun Watson gets hurt and then Joe
(08:50):
Burrow gets hurt, Like all right, here you go and
then you go and whatever that was against Cleveland, I
don't even know what to call that. I would have
rad watched a couple of streaks of paint you race
on my wall, then watch that game.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, Pittsburgh is And I think a lot of people
have recognized this or said this along the way, the
word six and three now six and four team in football, right,
But again they found ways to win in the fourth
quarter with Kenny Pickett where he sings in the fourth
quarter to learn how to play football to learn how
to play quarterback at the game that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You're not thinking about, Like, take me through that, right,
because we've seen that, and that's been some of the justification.
And again, the Jets are on the table. We won't
kill it your former team, and Jason's not here, so
we don't have to beat that drump too much. But
it's it's the idea that Zach Wilson has had moments
where it's like, all right, there's competency, there's an arm
(09:44):
there's but it's when he's not thinking and they're just
getting to the line and going as opposed to slow
it down, Let's try to go through process and procedure
instead of just playing fast, playing with your athletic ability
and your natural smarts.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And what happens naturally in those situations for a quarterback. Right,
if you're going to no huddle, the defense doesn't have
time with disguise number one, But they also don't have
chance to check into things that you're doing either, because
it's just you don't have the time. They don't know
when you're gonna snap the ball. So it makes for
the game to be simplified for the quarterback. So if
he sees two guys high. He knows his zone most
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of the times, right, so he can pick those things
out and identify them right away. Where if he's going
methodically and given the defense time to actually react to
you and get themselves in the best situation as well
and disguise, he's not gonna have a chance. And so
I actually tweeted out yesterday about you know, everybody's talking
about Zach and how.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Bad he is.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Oh warrant warranted, right, Like that's he hasn't played well
and them test yes, yeah, but that offense is just
not good all around. Like they don't protect, they don't
they don't do any variations of routes that confuses anybody.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The scheme is bad.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
And so you're saying, guy that's an average quarterback or
below average or whatever whatever people's perception of him is,
you're telling him to go out there and make something
happen out of that, and it's just unfair to him.
And so I actually put out a tweet kind of,
you know, in support of him, saying that he's a
part of the problem, he's not the problem. So it
(11:20):
just sucks to see it. And then you talk about
like Kenny Pickett, he plays the same way. When the
game is a faster, he doesn't have to think about it.
You go, no huddle, give those chands, give those guys
a chance to get one on one coverages and and
throw up big, big, big passes to Pickens and those
guys good.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But at least he's got a bunch of guys that
you can pick from. Oh yeah, and say, all right,
I got I got a line of them. With the Jets,
you got Garrett Wilson was playing hurt, and you got
Tyler Kank. But I mean Breecee Hall like passing downs.
It's tough because he can't block. He's not protecting anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I mean, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And the offensive line, what have they started fourteen fifteen
different guys at this point, Cause like you're just picking
names out of a hat. All right, you're the center
this week. Let's get all right, not quite that bad.
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Speaker 4 (12:34):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
As the week goes on, we're getting towards the midpoint
of the third quarter, still seventeen to seven. The Chiefs
just punted the ball back to the Eagles and other
opportunity for Jalen Hurts and company to see if they
can get any traction on this Kansas City defense. I've
been enjoyed watching them play over the course of the year,
right because they're on all of these marquee games and
(12:55):
everything's built up, and obviously have the Kelsey and Swift
partnership right and their families and Dona Kelsey's showing up.
She's the latest celebrity to go up and do some
raising canes, fun and all of that. But you know,
and obviously everybody was hoping that Taylor would be here.
They've had some tragedy, they've had some incidents with her
tour overseas, so she's still overseas finishing that part of things.
(13:18):
Kelsey did find the end zone towards the end of
the first half. But you know, when we watch the
Chiefs and again you're waiting for the offensive explosion. But Checko,
as you mentioned earlier, having himself a nice night over
eighty yards now. But it's really been the defense that's
carried the day. And there's something to me in an
age where we're talking about offense all the time, I
find it cool that we're talking about unders with regularity.
(13:42):
We're talking about defensive stands at the end of games.
And we can take a team like the Chiefs that
is one of those marquee you know, Glamour, you know
Team Beat Magazine kind of teams with Kelsey and Mahomes,
and we can say, no, no, no, no, no, it's the
guys up front on the defensive line and here in
that that back seven that are making things happen. I
(14:05):
don't know. I like that little juxtaposition of what we've
seen from all these years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
No, I think the person that needs and deserves a
lot of credit in this situation also is Steve Spagnolia.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
He's doing a hell of a gag with that defense
over there, man.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And so again, yes, I think good teams and and
and especially good teams that have a sustained run of success.
You have to reinvent yourself. You're not just gonna always
be the greatest show on turf. It just doesn't happen.
You can talk about those New England things back in
the day where they won all the championships. They were different,
they won different ways every time, the way through, all
(14:43):
the way.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Through early defense. I mean, you're a renaissance man. You
go from NFL player, yeah, talking about Louisville to the
NFL to to now acting and singing and everything you do.
I mean, you got a kid and you got a radio.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Got to reinvent yourself.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's I don't know what my next version will be,
but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
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Speaker 3 (16:07):
Welcome back in Beautiful Here Monday Night Football, Monday Night
Week eleven holiday holiday holiday week, Carry Rhoads in for
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exactly seven. Play sixty one yards, two fifty three off
the clock. Jalen Hurts on the QB draw ten yards
for the score seventeen to fourteen as we play deep
into the third quarter, joining us now on the hotline
as he does each and every week, talking all things
NFL Week eleven. Our buddy, Jason locking for at Jason
(17:11):
locking for a one oh five seven the Fan in Baltimore,
Washington Post NFL Insider Jason, Happy holiday week, buddy, How
are you happy Thanksgiving?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Hope everybody's doing well out there in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, we're hustling along the sidewalks and streets replete with
cars and everything. But they got the ten backup after
that fire, so everybody's excited there. As we go through
the games of Week eleven, some good, some bad, some
ugly as always, But you know, since Smith isn't here,
I'll ask the obvious question, Tim Boyle, Let's go, come on,
(17:46):
It's time.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, come on, man, it's so mismanaged and it doesn't
you know, I don't know what they think it's going
to accomplish now, and I don't know why, you know,
when there's people out there that we've talked about this
they could have acquired before the dead line. There's so
many different ways they could have handled this. I mean,
(18:07):
why Zach Wilson was back in their building in the
first place was asked, Like the idea that Aaron Rodgers
is going to take him under his wing and turn
him into something like that's as ridiculous as thinking Nathaniel
Hackett deserves to be calling places for you. Like, the
whole thing was jack assery, you know, Like, and Zach
Wilson's not going to be anybody starting quarterback and he's
not going to win games in the NFL for anybody,
(18:27):
and nobody else would have Nathaniel Hackett in the role
that he's in. And Aaron Rodgers will come back next
year and he won't make it through the season again,
and like it is what it is. The offensive line
is a joke. I mean, they're an abject failure. They've
scored four fewer offensive touchdowns than anybody in the league,
(18:48):
like they've they've got the lowest third down convergent percentage
in this league this deep in the season in twenty years,
Like you know, it's deck chairs on the Titanic, like whatever.
You know, it's not Jacoby Brissett, it's not Josh Dobbs.
You know, it's not you know, they don't even have
(19:10):
a Heinikey type. They don't have a Gardner minshew like
they've got their they got the lesser, they got worse
than to Vito.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Quarterback in New York.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, come on, Jason, you kill them. You over here, man, Hey, it.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Is what it is.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I mean, my god, they're killing me making me watch
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I know it's bad, No, but it's I have to
like really do this diversion to get away from this
sick filling in my stomach right.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now, to get waking the Jets. But uh, I.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Want to talk about somebody on the West Coast, and
it's it's a team that has so much potential going
into every year, so much talent, and you always want
to say this year is their year, but they never
seem to be able to get it done. The La
Charte you were going to call him but I caught
it the la charges. All right, let's talk about let's
(20:02):
talk about Staley and him finally showing some kind of emotion.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I guess I don't know if it's good or bad,
but let's talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well, I mean, it's it's emotion, but it's emotion, you know,
that's most sort of visceral about himself. I mean, and
then at the same time kind of throwing Keenan Allen
to the like, I mean, who's been a bigger warrior
for that franchise than him? You're going to bring up
a drop? I mean, all the plays he's made, all
the things he's played through. This guy is self aggrandizing.
(20:35):
He's self mythologizing. The worst part about Brandon Staley is
he believes his own press clippings. I mean, it's you're
talking to fraud to the NS degree, like, and now
he's going to come out and back like, how dare
you ask me again about the defensive play calling when
they Jordan Love looks like Aaron Rodgers, you know, like
everybody who plays them has a career game. Like what
(20:59):
maybe it is you? You know, how come these players
who they finally started spending money to keep How come
so few of them are playing up to their their
pay grade. You know you got the best to breed safety,
you got the best to breed. Uh, pass rusher, you
added another booke then pass rusher. You've paid some tackles.
(21:19):
You know, you drafted a left tackle super high, like
you paid the quarterback. You've paid some receivers. You kept
the running back around. And this is what it is.
His defense has never been any good. They can't blame
injuries anymore. And uh, he's he's gone, Like I guess
(21:40):
spent us away to the end of the year because
that's just I guess sort of how they ride. Although
didn't they fire Mike McCoy in season anyway, whatever, Like
it's it's it's over, and he's over, and I'm sure
McVeigh or somebody will thill him a bone and he'll
be somebody's decoordinator. But he's got a long way to
(22:01):
go to get anywhere close to the boy genius sort of,
you know pres clippings that were surrounding him three years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Now we know the Spanos is like the McCaskey hallis family.
They don't like to pay people to go away. Will
Josh Harris do that for the final several games with
Ron Rivera or is he going to wait it out?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
He should? I mean, sometimes these guys don't like their
first move to be something that high profile, you know,
the something where you're letting go a guy who look,
Ron Rivera's done a horrible job there as a head coach,
and he was woefully, painfully miscast as their version of
you know, Bill Belichick, like he's got no business being
in personnel whatsoever, let alone overseeing an entire franchise. But
(22:46):
he's a good dude. And you know, Harris is very
I think sort of his antennas are up in general.
He is replacing a guy who was despicable, and the
last thing he wants to be seen as, you know,
as somebody who comes in and fires people, even if
it's incredibly warranted. So I don't know. I mean, if
Dallas destroys them on Thanksgiving, you certainly could. I mean,
(23:10):
Jack del Rio should be going with him, right and
then do you give you know what I mean, does
the enemy takeover as the interim I mean, he certainly could.
Obviously there's some issues offensively as well, but the more
significant more profound. Weekly issues have been defensively and sam
Al has a you know, he looks he's going to
play in this league for a long time. Yeah, we'll
(23:32):
see how good of a starter he is. But I mean, look,
they're going to have a new head coach and a
new front office structure next year.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, me and Mike were talking off air Jason about
possible candidates to take over that job in Washington, right,
And so I mean my feel and you know, with
the new regime there in the front office and the
owners and all those you know, people that like the show,
you know, ie Magic Johnson, right, I could see them
bring in you know, uh, you know, a person of color,
(24:03):
right to kind of lead that lead that team moving forward.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I don't think it's the enemy.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
But is there any hot, hot coaches, any any hot
picks out there for a head coaching vacancy right now?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah, I mean certainly, And there seem to be most
talking to some people this morning about it. I think
this could be a year where the things skew to
the defensive side. The offensive staffs have been so picked apart,
and scoring is down, and red zone offenses are bad,
and nobody has enough offensive lineman, and everybody's running out
of quarterback, so it's hard to have that sexy next
(24:38):
guy up on offense. You know, the McVeigh Shanahan Trees
has been picked bone dry. I mean, if you want
to put a Press Taylor out there or somebody like that,
you know, I guess you could, you know, a West
phill Up something younger offensive coordinators. But I think it's
it's the guy's gonna have his pick of all the jobs.
Is Ben Johnson with the Lions, and I would not
(24:59):
be surprised if he ended up with the Chargers. If
they don't get an experience coach, I would think they're
going to go offense and he would be the main guy.
I think Brian Flores is absolutely doing a job there
in Minnesota. He definitely deserves a second opportunity, And I think, yeah,
(25:20):
I think there's probably a lot of people in the
league office with that lawsuit going on, who would be
doing backflips and cartwheels right if Brian Flores was an
NFL head coach, and I'm guessing it would that thing
would kind of go away, or it would certainly the
tenor of it I would think would maybe change to
some degree either way, Brian Flores absolutely deserves strong consideration.
(25:41):
And again I've looked at every every coaching staff in
the league and kind of started highlighting people, and he
absolutely should be up there. Steve Wilkes. Steve Wilkes kept
in Carolina. I mean, I think, come on, that thing's
a joke, Like he had no quarterback last year, not
the first overall pick, and they can one bs call
Dj Moore taking his helmet off from went in the
(26:03):
division like, So, yeah, I hope people keep an open mind.
But I also, you know, have covered this league long
enough to know that billionaires are going to billionaire and
systemic racism is going to systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, Wilts was the name that I had scribbled down of.
All right, remember how he got screwed in Arizona as well,
Jason Locker for our guest here Odyssey one oh five
seven The Fan Washington Post at Jason Lockin for where
you find him on Twitter. All right, Earlier today you
had John Harbass expressing optimism about Mark Andrews coming out
(26:35):
of that big win on Thursday night. How optimistic are you?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I mean, not very You know, John always skews positive
and he's going to keep any door, you know, as
a jar as possible, even if it's unlikely. But I
think they'd have to go very deep in the playoffs
for it even to be a consideration, And even then
there would be a lot of boxes that would have
to be checked, and they won't. You look, until he
(27:02):
undergoes this procedure, you don't ever fully know, but they
have to operate as if he's not going to play
this year. I'd be shocked if he does play this year.
And it's pretty amazing. He in his career has thirty
three touchdowns from Lamar Jackson, and Lamar has thrown twelve
interceptions when he's targeted Mark Andrews. Of everybody else on
(27:24):
this Ravens roster right now, they have a combined eighteen
touchdowns from Lamar Jackson and fourteen picks when he throws
to anybody else, including like six to Rashad Bateman alone.
So yeah, they got they got a lot of things
to figure out here. They're a really good team to
win a lot of regular season games. But go look
at the last fifteen years of the teams that have
(27:44):
represented the AFC in the Super Bowl, and then go
look who their tight end is with the exception of
Owen Daniels that one year with Denver, they're all dudes
like they were guys who were perennial Pro Bowlers. A
lot of them were perennial All pros. Several of them
are going to Canton as first ballot Hall of Famers.
(28:06):
It's a hard road in the AFC. I would argue
that the tight end. You see people talk all the time, right,
no team has had a top five highest paid running
back who's won on Super Bowl forever, And all these
teams that traded for wide receivers and paid them, you know,
none of them have won the Super Bowl. Well yeah,
well guess guess who does win Super Bowls? Top five
tight ends they're in them all the time, and I
(28:27):
think it's it's going to be something that is very
difficult for the Ravens to overcome when you have to
win week after week after week against good defenses. In
January and.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
February, Frostburg said, as long as there's no miracle cure
to get him on the field for Sunday night, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Rodgers guy, I don't know. Yeah, all right, Jason, have
a happy Thanksgiving. Thanks you always for the insight. Thank you,
appreciate you. Jason locking forward with us as he is
each and every week here Fox Sports Radio, Mike Garminry
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got justin Wow. Wow, Yeah, Josiah Scott with the Penut Tillman.
(29:29):
Watch between this Fummel in the red zone and the
interception in the end zone, first are in the red Wow,
that's just too massive.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Missed up.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Imal m Kelsey's crying, Steve, my goodness, and no, no
she's not there.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
By the way, don't even ask Taylor Swift questions back to.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You, Thanks Steve. Steve Desager on the updates, UH and
the Eagles are doing their best to give the ball
right back to the Jeeves. We watched the punch. I
showed you the play though, and justin prosper and bringing
this up as well, right before the half, the Jalen Carter, Hey,
I'm going to time the spike from Patrick Mahomes diving
through the center's leg almost almost intercepted the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
If he would have picked it off, that would have
been the greatest play I've ever seen the defensive player
of the year, right, Yeah, no, no, that was that
was pretty pretty head pretty heady by the young guy.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Unbelievable. Yeah, they had a play here with Jalen Hurts
trying to swing it out to the outside to Devonte
Smith and it gets blown up and ball harmlessly falls
to the ground, but a moment of panic inside their
own ten yard line. We'll keep you a prize to
this game as it continues, just starting the fourth quarter,
thirteen minutes remaining, still seventeen fourteen Chiefs over the Eagles.
(30:44):
So many missed opportunities that we've talked about the interception,
now the Kelsey fumble. But coming up next, we take
our attention to the college gridiron and well, Jim Harbaugh
meeting with the media coming out of a narrow wind
succeed and proceed. They say yes, and he got little
chesty at the podium. We'll talk about that next. Carry
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the score here Eagles with the ball inside they're own fifteen.
Another near disastrous throw to the outside, tipped at the line,
defensive line and getting after it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Predictable. I told you, ye, the off step too.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Respepictable swing Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's like everything in
my body.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Not to interrupt your your your your bit there.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I just wanted to scream out everybody wants to rule
the world.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I wanted to do it, but I I wanted to sing.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I wanted to sing it, but I had to follow
a protocol with that one and let you finish.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
But just no, I was thinking it.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You can belt it out a little bit later. Hockey Hell,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Wants to rue the world?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, woo asking you shall receive my man carry Rhodes
with me here. We're watching this Monday night football, coming
up on eight minutes remaining, another swing pass and then
try to find Yack downfield. Bit by bit that that
seems to be the play du jour. Yes for the
Philadelphia Eagles. Jim Harbaugh on the out the sidelines. He
(33:14):
gets to be there during the practice week. He gets
to do all the peacocking and press. They get a win. Look,
they don't all have to be pretty just stack w's.
Now you've got the big matchup coming up against Ohio
State later on this weekend. But wanted to bring this
in because we love having fun with audio and Jim Harbaugh.
Remember his old gobble Gobble gobble turkey and all that
(33:36):
kind of stuff. Well, now talk to you out his team,
their resilience, the continuity togetherness, and what this experience has meant.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean, it's uh, I.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Go back to that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
It's just like the ped Lasso show, you know, believe
and what comes out of that is believe.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And I'm just so proud. I'm so proud of our
team despite.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That noise are locker rooms at one piece, and I
like that for me, locker rooms thought like my mom's
bathing suits.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I'd like to see him in one piece.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I feel like that. Yeahsly from Ted Lasso into images
of his mob in a bathing suit, and I gotta
imagine a number of creepy people started looking up what
Jim Harbaugh's mob looks like.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, I did not google that at all. I
did not like the image. I don't you know. I'm
not going to go down that road. But what he
said was pretty clever and a little bit thoughtful. That
means you had a little time to think about that one.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So it's good generally when you talk about noise, though
on the outside it's something that isn't well what you caused,
or something that has gone from the you know, the
outside is kind of reading between the lines, reading the
tea leaves and trying to determine what's going on. In
this case, it's an investigation of your program. Yeah, something internally.
(35:01):
You've already fired a member of your staff. You fired
two members of your staff, including our guy with his manifesto,
mister Stallion's. And so it's not noise at that point,
at least from where I sit, as we look at
Jim Marbile, and you can try to dismiss it. And
that's you know, good coach speak of togetherness and locker
(35:22):
room and whatever else, you know, the old us against
everybody mentality. Well, let's not get it twisted. The playing
the victim is now exacerbated now by coach Harbaugh. It's
the outside noise. Yeah, that's the good thing. Though the
one piece does not get twisted. It stays intact, and
you know that's part of the lure that happens with
the one piece, right, they're all together. But yes, you're right.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I mean, when you're having to defend yourself and have
these conversations surrounding what's going on right now, it's an investigation.
So something has happened, something that's bruin in your organization,
fairly or not, but something's going on that you're trying
to divert a ten and from. But yeah, man, like
the I like the solidarity. I like the you know,
(36:05):
like I.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Said, the we're one and I like what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
And you know, I think there's a level of a
level of a little bit of witch hunt going on
with them, and that's my own personal opinion. But yeah,
it's a lot of things that they're trying to a
need to deflect from.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We can dial that up a little bit more as
the show goes on. Uh, the Brotherly Shove makes an appearance,
hurts to DeVante Smith forty one yards down to the
one tush push, the Brotherly Shove, whatever you want to
call it. Chiefs did everything they could. Even jumping off
side doesn't matter, Jalen hurts. They finally are able to
(36:42):
use the excellence of execution in a pivotal spot and
now take the lead. It is twenty one seventeen Eagles.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
They just find a way, man. They always end up
being in the game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
All of that, and now they have a lead as
we have six twenty remaining in the fourth hurts up
to one hundred and forty eight. Actually, no, that's gonna
be near to one hundred and ninety yards. Stupid box
scores waiting on that. We continue with this game Monday Night,
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Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
In the Twitter slash ex world, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Man, I was the one that cuts you off in traffic,
So I'm I'm a little on edge right now.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Watch But I watched the guy then go back into
the other lane and do the same thing and almost
rear end someone, And I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, because I did. I didn't want you to think
it was personal. Yeah yeah, I want you to know
that I'm your equal opportunists.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I want to bump a few people in the way
because I knew it was gonna be a big day today,
Monday Night Football, going on a lot of stuff around
the Inn, Bill world and just the world in general.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So excited to be here, brother, that's good to be
with you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Obviously, as we get going tonight, we've got Chiefs at
Eagles Monday Night Football, ten twenty two remaining in the
third A seventeen to seven lead for the Chiefs defense
getting it done, but you wouldn't expect even with the
seventeen points. You like, Oh, Patrick Mahomes, he's rolling seventy
eight yards, but does have two touchdown strikes one to
(02:25):
Travis Kelcey and yes, Justin Watson. We keep waiting for
that other receiver to emerge. I placed some fantasy wagers
on him early in the season with some and had
him sitting on the ross for a while. But then
injuries start to mount and I can't wait anymore. So
he had to go on. Yeah, exactly six targets for
him that I three catches thirty three yards and to
score Kelsey two for eleven and a score. But it's
(02:48):
the story of the defense that is making the Eagles
look pedestrian at best. A Jalen hurts five of seven
forty six yards and an interception. You do have forty
six yards and a touchdown on the from DeAndre Swift,
but when you get down to it, they're making them
look slow, ineffective. And it's coming out of a bye week.
So now we're looking at the Chiefs defense and perhaps
(03:11):
a little more respect on their name because they came
into the week tied for the fewest points allowed per
game with the forty nine ers, who everybody acknowledges and
has said all along, look at this defense, right, I
think the Chiefs, everybody's so enamored with the Mahomes, Kelsey
and the offensive side of things kind of just pushed
it aside. Yeah that's cute, but it's in the end,
(03:31):
it's gonna be like, no, no, this defense is gonna
keep them not only in games, but it's gonna win
them games. What it's all because let's talk about playoffs
right when we get to the plats.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
What do you need?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I need a defense to shut a team down. And
right now they're making Jalen Hurts look like a jag.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Just another guy. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
You know what's beautiful about this team right now is
they're they're winning in new ways. They're they're reinventing themselves
into a point now where again, defense is on the forefront.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
And also just not with the defense here, the running
game's been really well as well. They've added that to
the mix with Pacheco and those guys. So you know
you said it Hurts is only five for seven. He's
only had five seven attempts So that means Kansas City's
keeping the ball, doing some ball control there as they
move on and being able to adapt their game to
what's going to happen right now, right And I mean
(04:18):
it's a wet day in Kansas City. It's a little slippery,
so running the ball is a little bit more advantageous.
And yeah, I mean if you can win in this
league no matter how, and you start to find a
new identity even as you're still winning, that's that's a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
To be the man. You gotta beat the man. They
always say two point nine yards per play. Thus far
from Philadelphia, they just ran their twenty seventh play.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
You know, the biggest thing that happened for Kannessity that
just thought about it, it was the bringing after that
first game, bringing Jones back. Remember remember that he was
he was gonna hold out and he was holding out
for a while, and they saw that first game against
Detroit and was like, we should probably bring Jones back
and then.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Figure out the body, shuffle things around, come to an agreement.
We got to get through this year. Let's make it work.
And looks most guys came back very quickly. Right there
was the I made my statement I don't know what
you really did, but you got there. In some cases,
guy's got a little bit more guaranteed money. Maybe they
got a handshake agreement of some incentives on the back
(05:22):
end and we'll take care of you, promises and all
of that. But you know, as we sit here tonight,
we're watching this defense fly around, and for Jalen Hurts,
it's been a difficult proposition. We're always still wondering about
his knee in a day, in a week, where Joe
Burrow's injury was such a big deal, right and the
investigation whatever that becomes of how hurt was he was he?
(05:46):
You know, what was it? An injury that really precipitated?
What occurred? Are those separate incidents, all of those things.
But with Jalen Hurts, we've been wondering about his knee
for weeks and he keeps playing, but when he's asked
about it, he gets terse he walks away and leaves
the podium without saying a word about it. So that's
one of those all right, what's there? Like what's real?
(06:09):
And we've seen him scramble about. He's moving our right
at times, but it's a little more judicious and not
the same, you know, play react that you're used to
with him.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, he's not taking it to the house right now.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
You can see that he has a little gtch in
his step, and yeah, he's doing enough to move the
chains and play the way that Philadelphia wants to play,
still being a pseudo threat, so to speak.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
But he's not the same right now.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And we were talking off air a little bit earlier
about how I feel that Philadelphia's offense has gotten really predictable.
And you play a good defense like this and you
start to be predictable, and this is going to be
the result. So I mean, they're going to have to
find a way to get him healthy, and it doesn't
look like that's going to happen this year. But you know,
Philly is one of those teams that keeps finding the
(06:55):
way to win, and you know, they have a coach
that's really aggressive, and so they use no going into
the game. They're going to have four down to get
the first down, which is a little bit of an
advantage because you're getting to the throat. In short, you know,
you got two opportunities to get it. So let's see
how that progresses moving forward. But yeah, Philadelphia's I'll say
that I'm not as scared of. I know a lot
(07:16):
of people think they, you know, it could be the
top team or whatever, and that's to us, but I
don't think they are.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, you had a fourth and thirteen precipitating a punt,
then they had the touchdown drive, then they threw the pick,
and then the punt was I mean so deep in
their own territory. So even there, you're not getting guts
and it was you know, fourth and seventeen exactly, So
you haven't you haven't seen those normal short yardage you know,
(07:45):
brotherly shove or whatever else that we've had and become
so accustomed to to rolling out, you know, to where
you start imposing your will, because that's been the Philadelphia identity.
We've seen that with Baltimore for years. Trying to shift
it up a little bit, but they still want to
play bully ball with Gus Edwards when it's at the
end of the day, especially as the months get colder.
(08:07):
But it's funny you mentioned with with Jalen Hurts right
in terms of getting healthier, it's like the only guy
that's ever gotten healthier while playing was Joe Burrow and
that calf, which made no sense to anybody. To me,
it makes no sense, but hey, so be it that.
That was fine and they were starting to find their way,
but now you have that injury that that casts their
(08:28):
season into peril. To be kind. So you know up
until this week, and we'll get deeper into the Steelers
as we go through carry But you know, our buddy
Todd Furman out of Vegas the Bet the Board podcast
joins us we do the lines he had actually tweeted out,
I guess what kind of deal does Mike Tomlin have
with the devil Deshaun Watson gets hurt and then Joe
(08:50):
Burrow gets hurt, Like all right, here you go and
then you go and whatever that was against Cleveland, I
don't even know what to call that. I would have
rad watched a couple of streaks of paint you race
on my wall, then watch that game.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, Pittsburgh is And I think a lot of people
have recognized this or said this along the way, the
word six and three now six and four team in football, right,
But again they found ways to win in the fourth
quarter with Kenny Pickett where he sings in the fourth
quarter to learn how to play football to learn how
to play quarterback at the game that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
You're not thinking about, Like, take me through that, right,
because we've seen that, and that's been some of the justification.
And again, the Jets are on the table. We won't
kill it your former team, and Jason's not here, so
we don't have to beat that drump too much. But
it's it's the idea that Zach Wilson has had moments
where it's like, all right, there's competency, there's an arm
(09:44):
there's but it's when he's not thinking and they're just
getting to the line and going as opposed to slow
it down, Let's try to go through process and procedure
instead of just playing fast, playing with your athletic ability
and your natural smarts.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And what happens naturally in those situations for a quarterback. Right,
if you're going to no huddle, the defense doesn't have
time with disguise number one, But they also don't have
chance to check into things that you're doing either, because
it's just you don't have the time. They don't know
when you're gonna snap the ball. So it makes for
the game to be simplified for the quarterback. So if
he sees two guys high. He knows his zone most
(10:22):
of the times, right, so he can pick those things
out and identify them right away. Where if he's going
methodically and given the defense time to actually react to
you and get themselves in the best situation as well
and disguise, he's not gonna have a chance. And so
I actually tweeted out yesterday about you know, everybody's talking
about Zach and how.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Bad he is.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Oh warrant warranted, right, Like that's he hasn't played well
and them test yes, yeah, but that offense is just
not good all around. Like they don't protect, they don't
they don't do any variations of routes that confuses anybody.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The scheme is bad.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
And so you're saying, guy that's an average quarterback or
below average or whatever whatever people's perception of him is,
you're telling him to go out there and make something
happen out of that, and it's just unfair to him.
And so I actually put out a tweet kind of,
you know, in support of him, saying that he's a
part of the problem, he's not the problem. So it
(11:20):
just sucks to see it. And then you talk about
like Kenny Pickett, he plays the same way. When the
game is a faster, he doesn't have to think about it.
You go, no huddle, give those chands, give those guys
a chance to get one on one coverages and and
throw up big, big, big passes to Pickens and those
guys good.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
But at least he's got a bunch of guys that
you can pick from. Oh yeah, and say, all right,
I got I got a line of them. With the Jets,
you got Garrett Wilson was playing hurt, and you got
Tyler Kank. But I mean Breecee Hall like passing downs.
It's tough because he can't block. He's not protecting anybody.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I mean, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And the offensive line, what have they started fourteen fifteen
different guys at this point, Cause like you're just picking
names out of a hat. All right, you're the center
this week. Let's get all right, not quite that bad.
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Speaker 4 (12:34):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
As the week goes on, we're getting towards the midpoint
of the third quarter, still seventeen to seven. The Chiefs
just punted the ball back to the Eagles and other
opportunity for Jalen Hurts and company to see if they
can get any traction on this Kansas City defense. I've
been enjoyed watching them play over the course of the year,
right because they're on all of these marquee games and
(12:55):
everything's built up, and obviously have the Kelsey and Swift
partnership right and their families and Dona Kelsey's showing up.
She's the latest celebrity to go up and do some
raising canes, fun and all of that. But you know,
and obviously everybody was hoping that Taylor would be here.
They've had some tragedy, they've had some incidents with her
tour overseas, so she's still overseas finishing that part of things.
(13:18):
Kelsey did find the end zone towards the end of
the first half. But you know, when we watch the
Chiefs and again you're waiting for the offensive explosion. But Checko,
as you mentioned earlier, having himself a nice night over
eighty yards now. But it's really been the defense that's
carried the day. And there's something to me in an
age where we're talking about offense all the time, I
find it cool that we're talking about unders with regularity.
(13:42):
We're talking about defensive stands at the end of games.
And we can take a team like the Chiefs that
is one of those marquee you know, Glamour, you know
Team Beat Magazine kind of teams with Kelsey and Mahomes,
and we can say, no, no, no, no, no, it's the
guys up front on the defensive line and here in
that that back seven that are making things happen. I
(14:05):
don't know. I like that little juxtaposition of what we've
seen from all these years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
No, I think the person that needs and deserves a
lot of credit in this situation also is Steve Spagnolia.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
He's doing a hell of a gag with that defense
over there, man.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
And so again, yes, I think good teams and and
and especially good teams that have a sustained run of success.
You have to reinvent yourself. You're not just gonna always
be the greatest show on turf. It just doesn't happen.
You can talk about those New England things back in
the day where they won all the championships. They were different,
they won different ways every time, the way through, all
(14:43):
the way.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Through early defense. I mean, you're a renaissance man. You
go from NFL player, yeah, talking about Louisville to the
NFL to to now acting and singing and everything you do.
I mean, you got a kid and you got a radio.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Got to reinvent yourself.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Man.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's I don't know what my next version will be,
but we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
It's come by.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
He's carry roads And for Jason Smith, I'm Mike Harmon.
Coming up next, we're gonna have a visit from our
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the ugly of Week eleven. As we continue here on
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Speaker 3 (16:07):
Welcome back in Beautiful Here Monday Night Football, Monday Night
Week eleven holiday holiday holiday week, Carry Rhoads in for
Jason Smith. I'm Mike Harmon. Welcome back in the Jason
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fdi C. Well, just like that, we talk all that
smack talk up the chiefs deef. That's what did they do.
They said, harmon take that slap, takes out of data
(16:49):
exactly seven. Play sixty one yards, two fifty three off
the clock. Jalen Hurts on the QB draw ten yards
for the score seventeen to fourteen as we play deep
into the third quarter, joining us now on the hotline
as he does each and every week, talking all things
NFL Week eleven. Our buddy, Jason locking for at Jason
(17:11):
locking for a one oh five seven the Fan in Baltimore,
Washington Post NFL Insider Jason, Happy holiday week, buddy, How
are you happy Thanksgiving?
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Hope everybody's doing well out there in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, we're hustling along the sidewalks and streets replete with
cars and everything. But they got the ten backup after
that fire, so everybody's excited there. As we go through
the games of Week eleven, some good, some bad, some
ugly as always, But you know, since Smith isn't here,
I'll ask the obvious question, Tim Boyle, Let's go, come on,
(17:46):
It's time.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, come on, man, it's so mismanaged and it doesn't
you know, I don't know what they think it's going
to accomplish now, and I don't know why, you know,
when there's people out there that we've talked about this
they could have acquired before the dead line. There's so
many different ways they could have handled this. I mean,
(18:07):
why Zach Wilson was back in their building in the
first place was asked, Like the idea that Aaron Rodgers
is going to take him under his wing and turn
him into something like that's as ridiculous as thinking Nathaniel
Hackett deserves to be calling places for you. Like, the
whole thing was jack assery, you know, Like, and Zach
Wilson's not going to be anybody starting quarterback and he's
not going to win games in the NFL for anybody,
(18:27):
and nobody else would have Nathaniel Hackett in the role
that he's in. And Aaron Rodgers will come back next
year and he won't make it through the season again,
and like it is what it is. The offensive line
is a joke. I mean, they're an abject failure. They've
scored four fewer offensive touchdowns than anybody in the league,
(18:48):
like they've they've got the lowest third down convergent percentage
in this league this deep in the season in twenty years,
Like you know, it's deck chairs on the Titanic, like whatever.
You know, it's not Jacoby Brissett, it's not Josh Dobbs.
You know, it's not you know, they don't even have
(19:10):
a Heinikey type. They don't have a Gardner minshew like
they've got their they got the lesser, they got worse
than to Vito.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Quarterback in New York.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
No, come on, Jason, you kill them. You over here, man, Hey, it.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
Is what it is.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
I mean, my god, they're killing me making me watch
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
I know it's bad, No, but it's I have to
like really do this diversion to get away from this
sick filling in my stomach right.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now, to get waking the Jets. But uh, I.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Want to talk about somebody on the West Coast, and
it's it's a team that has so much potential going
into every year, so much talent, and you always want
to say this year is their year, but they never
seem to be able to get it done. The La
Charte you were going to call him but I caught
it the la charges. All right, let's talk about let's
(20:02):
talk about Staley and him finally showing some kind of emotion.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
I guess I don't know if it's good or bad,
but let's talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Well, I mean, it's it's emotion, but it's emotion, you know,
that's most sort of visceral about himself. I mean, and
then at the same time kind of throwing Keenan Allen
to the like, I mean, who's been a bigger warrior
for that franchise than him? You're going to bring up
a drop? I mean, all the plays he's made, all
the things he's played through. This guy is self aggrandizing.
(20:35):
He's self mythologizing. The worst part about Brandon Staley is
he believes his own press clippings. I mean, it's you're
talking to fraud to the NS degree, like, and now
he's going to come out and back like, how dare
you ask me again about the defensive play calling when
they Jordan Love looks like Aaron Rodgers, you know, like
everybody who plays them has a career game. Like what
(20:59):
maybe it is you? You know, how come these players
who they finally started spending money to keep How come
so few of them are playing up to their their
pay grade. You know you got the best to breed safety,
you got the best to breed. Uh, pass rusher, you
added another booke then pass rusher. You've paid some tackles.
(21:19):
You know, you drafted a left tackle super high, like
you paid the quarterback. You've paid some receivers. You kept
the running back around. And this is what it is.
His defense has never been any good. They can't blame
injuries anymore. And uh, he's he's gone, Like I guess
(21:40):
spent us away to the end of the year because
that's just I guess sort of how they ride. Although
didn't they fire Mike McCoy in season anyway, whatever, Like
it's it's it's over, and he's over, and I'm sure
McVeigh or somebody will thill him a bone and he'll
be somebody's decoordinator. But he's got a long way to
(22:01):
go to get anywhere close to the boy genius sort of,
you know pres clippings that were surrounding him three years ago.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Now we know the Spanos is like the McCaskey hallis family.
They don't like to pay people to go away. Will
Josh Harris do that for the final several games with
Ron Rivera or is he going to wait it out?
Speaker 6 (22:22):
He should? I mean, sometimes these guys don't like their
first move to be something that high profile, you know,
the something where you're letting go a guy who look,
Ron Rivera's done a horrible job there as a head coach,
and he was woefully, painfully miscast as their version of
you know, Bill Belichick, like he's got no business being
in personnel whatsoever, let alone overseeing an entire franchise. But
(22:46):
he's a good dude. And you know, Harris is very
I think sort of his antennas are up in general.
He is replacing a guy who was despicable, and the
last thing he wants to be seen as, you know,
as somebody who comes in and fires people, even if
it's incredibly warranted. So I don't know. I mean, if
Dallas destroys them on Thanksgiving, you certainly could. I mean,
(23:10):
Jack del Rio should be going with him, right and
then do you give you know what I mean, does
the enemy takeover as the interim I mean, he certainly could.
Obviously there's some issues offensively as well, but the more
significant more profound. Weekly issues have been defensively and sam
Al has a you know, he looks he's going to
play in this league for a long time. Yeah, we'll
(23:32):
see how good of a starter he is. But I mean, look,
they're going to have a new head coach and a
new front office structure next year.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, me and Mike were talking off air Jason about
possible candidates to take over that job in Washington, right,
And so I mean my feel and you know, with
the new regime there in the front office and the
owners and all those you know, people that like the show,
you know, ie Magic Johnson, right, I could see them
bring in you know, uh, you know, a person of color,
(24:03):
right to kind of lead that lead that team moving forward.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I don't think it's the enemy.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
But is there any hot, hot coaches, any any hot
picks out there for a head coaching vacancy right now?
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah, I mean certainly, And there seem to be most
talking to some people this morning about it. I think
this could be a year where the things skew to
the defensive side. The offensive staffs have been so picked apart,
and scoring is down, and red zone offenses are bad,
and nobody has enough offensive lineman, and everybody's running out
of quarterback, so it's hard to have that sexy next
(24:38):
guy up on offense. You know, the McVeigh Shanahan Trees
has been picked bone dry. I mean, if you want
to put a Press Taylor out there or somebody like that,
you know, I guess you could, you know, a West
phill Up something younger offensive coordinators. But I think it's
it's the guy's gonna have his pick of all the jobs.
Is Ben Johnson with the Lions, and I would not
(24:59):
be surprised if he ended up with the Chargers. If
they don't get an experience coach, I would think they're
going to go offense and he would be the main guy.
I think Brian Flores is absolutely doing a job there
in Minnesota. He definitely deserves a second opportunity, And I think, yeah,
(25:20):
I think there's probably a lot of people in the
league office with that lawsuit going on, who would be
doing backflips and cartwheels right if Brian Flores was an
NFL head coach, and I'm guessing it would that thing
would kind of go away, or it would certainly the
tenor of it I would think would maybe change to
some degree either way, Brian Flores absolutely deserves strong consideration.
(25:41):
And again I've looked at every every coaching staff in
the league and kind of started highlighting people, and he
absolutely should be up there. Steve Wilkes. Steve Wilkes kept
in Carolina. I mean, I think, come on, that thing's
a joke, Like he had no quarterback last year, not
the first overall pick, and they can one bs call
Dj Moore taking his helmet off from went in the
(26:03):
division like, So, yeah, I hope people keep an open mind.
But I also, you know, have covered this league long
enough to know that billionaires are going to billionaire and
systemic racism is going to systemic racism.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, Wilts was the name that I had scribbled down of.
All right, remember how he got screwed in Arizona as well,
Jason Locker for our guest here Odyssey one oh five
seven The Fan Washington Post at Jason Lockin for where
you find him on Twitter. All right, Earlier today you
had John Harbass expressing optimism about Mark Andrews coming out
(26:35):
of that big win on Thursday night. How optimistic are you?
Speaker 6 (26:39):
I mean, not very You know, John always skews positive
and he's going to keep any door, you know, as
a jar as possible, even if it's unlikely. But I
think they'd have to go very deep in the playoffs
for it even to be a consideration, And even then
there would be a lot of boxes that would have
to be checked, and they won't. You look, until he
(27:02):
undergoes this procedure, you don't ever fully know, but they
have to operate as if he's not going to play
this year. I'd be shocked if he does play this year.
And it's pretty amazing. He in his career has thirty
three touchdowns from Lamar Jackson, and Lamar has thrown twelve
interceptions when he's targeted Mark Andrews. Of everybody else on
(27:24):
this Ravens roster right now, they have a combined eighteen
touchdowns from Lamar Jackson and fourteen picks when he throws
to anybody else, including like six to Rashad Bateman alone.
So yeah, they got they got a lot of things
to figure out here. They're a really good team to
win a lot of regular season games. But go look
at the last fifteen years of the teams that have
(27:44):
represented the AFC in the Super Bowl, and then go
look who their tight end is with the exception of
Owen Daniels that one year with Denver, they're all dudes
like they were guys who were perennial Pro Bowlers. A
lot of them were perennial All pros. Several of them
are going to Canton as first ballot Hall of Famers.
(28:06):
It's a hard road in the AFC. I would argue
that the tight end. You see people talk all the time, right,
no team has had a top five highest paid running
back who's won on Super Bowl forever, And all these
teams that traded for wide receivers and paid them, you know,
none of them have won the Super Bowl. Well yeah,
well guess guess who does win Super Bowls? Top five
tight ends they're in them all the time, and I
(28:27):
think it's it's going to be something that is very
difficult for the Ravens to overcome when you have to
win week after week after week against good defenses. In
January and.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
February, Frostburg said, as long as there's no miracle cure
to get him on the field for Sunday night, it's okay.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yeah, Well.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Rodgers guy, I don't know. Yeah, all right, Jason, have
a happy Thanksgiving. Thanks you always for the insight. Thank you,
appreciate you. Jason locking forward with us as he is
each and every week here Fox Sports Radio, Mike Garminry
Rose with you, Jason Smith off tonight. If you like
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our quick thanks to the crew. We've got Alex, We've
got justin Wow. Wow, Yeah, Josiah Scott with the Penut Tillman.
(29:29):
Watch between this Fummel in the red zone and the
interception in the end zone, first are in the red Wow,
that's just too massive.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Missed up.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Imal m Kelsey's crying, Steve, my goodness, and no, no
she's not there.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
By the way, don't even ask Taylor Swift questions back to.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You, Thanks Steve. Steve Desager on the updates, UH and
the Eagles are doing their best to give the ball
right back to the Jeeves. We watched the punch. I
showed you the play though, and justin prosper and bringing
this up as well, right before the half, the Jalen Carter, Hey,
I'm going to time the spike from Patrick Mahomes diving
through the center's leg almost almost intercepted the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
If he would have picked it off, that would have
been the greatest play I've ever seen the defensive player
of the year, right, Yeah, no, no, that was that
was pretty pretty head pretty heady by the young guy.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Unbelievable. Yeah, they had a play here with Jalen Hurts
trying to swing it out to the outside to Devonte
Smith and it gets blown up and ball harmlessly falls
to the ground, but a moment of panic inside their
own ten yard line. We'll keep you a prize to
this game as it continues, just starting the fourth quarter,
thirteen minutes remaining, still seventeen fourteen Chiefs over the Eagles.
(30:44):
So many missed opportunities that we've talked about the interception,
now the Kelsey fumble. But coming up next, we take
our attention to the college gridiron and well, Jim Harbaugh
meeting with the media coming out of a narrow wind
succeed and proceed. They say yes, and he got little
chesty at the podium. We'll talk about that next. Carry
Roads in for Jason Smith on Mike Carbon and this
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is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Stevens.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Carmon. No Jason Smith. He's off this week
on his false sojourn to the desert. Carrie Rhodes in
his stead today dancing along for NFL player, actor musician.
Check out all his work Carrie twenty five roads and
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Debit Discover Bank member fd I see seventeen fourteen. Still
(32:05):
the score here Eagles with the ball inside they're own fifteen.
Another near disastrous throw to the outside, tipped at the line,
defensive line and getting after it.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Predictable. I told you, ye, the off step too.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Respepictable swing Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's like everything in
my body.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Not to interrupt your your your your bit there.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
I just wanted to scream out everybody wants to rule
the world.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I wanted to do it, but I I wanted to sing.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
I wanted to sing it, but I had to follow
a protocol with that one and let you finish.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
But just no, I was thinking it.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
You can belt it out a little bit later. Hockey Hell,
go for it.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Wants to rue the world?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, woo asking you shall receive my man carry Rhodes
with me here. We're watching this Monday night football, coming
up on eight minutes remaining, another swing pass and then
try to find Yack downfield. Bit by bit that that
seems to be the play du jour. Yes for the
Philadelphia Eagles. Jim Harbaugh on the out the sidelines. He
(33:14):
gets to be there during the practice week. He gets
to do all the peacocking and press. They get a win. Look,
they don't all have to be pretty just stack w's.
Now you've got the big matchup coming up against Ohio
State later on this weekend. But wanted to bring this
in because we love having fun with audio and Jim Harbaugh.
Remember his old gobble Gobble gobble turkey and all that
(33:36):
kind of stuff. Well, now talk to you out his team,
their resilience, the continuity togetherness, and what this experience has meant.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I mean, it's uh, I.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Go back to that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
It's just like the ped Lasso show, you know, believe
and what comes out of that is believe.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And I'm just so proud. I'm so proud of our
team despite.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That noise are locker rooms at one piece, and I
like that for me, locker rooms thought like my mom's
bathing suits.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I'd like to see him in one piece.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I feel like that. Yeahsly from Ted Lasso into images
of his mob in a bathing suit, and I gotta
imagine a number of creepy people started looking up what
Jim Harbaugh's mob looks like.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
Yeah, yeah, I did not google that at all. I
did not like the image. I don't you know. I'm
not going to go down that road. But what he
said was pretty clever and a little bit thoughtful. That
means you had a little time to think about that one.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So it's good generally when you talk about noise, though
on the outside it's something that isn't well what you caused,
or something that has gone from the you know, the
outside is kind of reading between the lines, reading the
tea leaves and trying to determine what's going on. In
this case, it's an investigation of your program. Yeah, something internally.
(35:01):
You've already fired a member of your staff. You fired
two members of your staff, including our guy with his manifesto,
mister Stallion's. And so it's not noise at that point,
at least from where I sit, as we look at
Jim Marbile, and you can try to dismiss it. And
that's you know, good coach speak of togetherness and locker
(35:22):
room and whatever else, you know, the old us against
everybody mentality. Well, let's not get it twisted. The playing
the victim is now exacerbated now by coach Harbaugh. It's
the outside noise. Yeah, that's the good thing. Though the
one piece does not get twisted. It stays intact, and
you know that's part of the lure that happens with
the one piece, right, they're all together. But yes, you're right.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I mean, when you're having to defend yourself and have
these conversations surrounding what's going on right now, it's an investigation.
So something has happened, something that's bruin in your organization,
fairly or not, but something's going on that you're trying
to divert a ten and from. But yeah, man, like
the I like the solidarity. I like the you know,
(36:05):
like I.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Said, the we're one and I like what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
And you know, I think there's a level of a
level of a little bit of witch hunt going on
with them, and that's my own personal opinion. But yeah,
it's a lot of things that they're trying to a
need to deflect from.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We can dial that up a little bit more as
the show goes on. Uh, the Brotherly Shove makes an appearance,
hurts to DeVante Smith forty one yards down to the
one tush push, the Brotherly Shove, whatever you want to
call it. Chiefs did everything they could. Even jumping off
side doesn't matter, Jalen hurts. They finally are able to
(36:42):
use the excellence of execution in a pivotal spot and
now take the lead. It is twenty one seventeen Eagles.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
They just find a way, man. They always end up
being in the game.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
All of that, and now they have a lead as
we have six twenty remaining in the fourth hurts up
to one hundred and forty eight. Actually, no, that's gonna
be near to one hundred and ninety yards. Stupid box
scores waiting on that. We continue with this game Monday Night,
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