June 13, 2024 • 38 mins
Jason and Mike pay their respects to the Logo Jerry West. Jason explains why critics don't like Jayson Tatum because he's a different kind of superstar. And Luka Doncic fouls out with 4 minutes to go in Game 3.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Okay, Alex ty Shirt. Maybe not the day to run
that open, maybe not? Maybe not? Maybe not the day
to run that open about the logo? Maybe not? Why
I'm just saying, maybe not the data run that open.
What happened? Well? So stop stop? What stop? Not the
data run that open? I want the Jeta and Goku
(00:50):
to get their tails back. You've been okay, you've.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Been working all day?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay. You know that Jerry West, who the NBA logo
is based on, died today? Did he?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Maybe? Really? You just did the odd couple for three hours?
Did I? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I got him with the flashy thing from Men in Black?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, okay, right, Well, because I I understand he probably
is continually so absorbed in this chestnut. Kobe Yashi now
that Joey Chestnuts his favorite athlete because he's endorsing impossible foods.
But just maybe not the best day for that open.
You're the one making fun of him in the open. No,
but maybe no, maybe not. Wasn't making fun of it.
Was I was just moving Jalen Brunston to be in
(01:30):
the luds. Okay, maybe not, maybe not the day for
that's a good time. Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean you could have said, hey, you know, name
the championship trophy after him, the MVP trophy after him.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
No, you went straight for the logo, so it is
kind of your fault.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah. Uh, we'll have more on the life of mister
Clutch coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What a life man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Uh eighty six years old. Incredible run, incredible run for
Jerry West and and look you'll look, we'll get to well,
let's talk Jerry West here. Then I got to make
up for that, you know open that was erroneously aired
and now Tyshirt's going to be in people's offices tomorrow
saying why did you run that open? It doesn't make
it Wow, why did that?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's called we get to talk about the logo, right,
get just to the discussion that you're that important to
a league, that seminal of figure.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You're that respected that when they said we're putting.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
A player on the logo, not just a ball, We're
gonna put a player on the logo. That your silhouette
is what's been there for years, never truly acknowledged, but all.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Of us have high we'd have to cut some kind
of because that logo is everywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, you signed off and let us we're gonna use
you as the logo. I mean he does leaf trading cards.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Actually had a deal where he inscribed, which he didn't
do a lot the logo under his signature, so I
mean even he acknowledged it.
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So again, we'll get to the NBA Finals in a second.
Boston's now jumped out. They have an eight point lead
over Dallas midway through the third quarter. But the thing
(03:14):
about Jerry West, and you've heard a lot about him today,
and I want to take it in a different direction.
Something you probably haven't heard about. All that's been today
has been the life of Jerry West, the life as
an NBA superstar and Hall of Famer, the life as
a Hall of Famer executive. Right, the guy built the
Lakers a couple of times, he built the Clippers. He
was able to do so many things. But Jerry. But
(03:38):
judging by how listen to how people talk about Jerry
West today, what have you heard, hey? Jerry West also
a only player to an MVP of the NBA Finals,
in which he played for a losing team. Right, that
was a really big deal today. Jerry West legacy and
you hear people how they're talking about him today should
tell you that we go way too hard on NBA
players because you're talking about mister clutch the logo. You
(04:04):
know what his record was in the NBA final run
the finals, red, Yeah, let's go his record. His record
he beat the Knicks ones. His record in the NBA
Finals was one and eight one in eight. He got
to the finals nine times, lost to the Celtics six times,
and was one and two against the Knicks. He won
(04:25):
a title in seventy two. Okay, one and eight in
the NBA finals. Now extrapolate this to today, if any
star player, whether it's I mean Lebron, look at Lebron's, right,
I mean, look Lebron's Look Lebron's won more than one
and still it's oh, he doesn't get enough. Getting the
finals is enough. And it's ridiculous because you're talking about
a guy that, again one in eight in the finals,
(04:48):
got to nine finals one once, lost to the arch
rival six times, six times. Can you imagine, let's just
throw Lebron in there. Can you imagine Lebron losing to
the Celtics in the NBA finals six times and losing
to the Knicks twice or modern Warriors, right like stretch
to say he's in Cleveland and he loses to the
(05:09):
Warriors six times or no matter what, he lose that
what are we saying about him? Oh he's overrated, he's
not a great player. He's not what everybody thinks he is.
Because if you're a good player, you win. If you're
a good player, you wind up winning, you win, you
win more than a couple, maybe you win half of
the finals, which is what Lebron basically has done since
he come into the league. Oh you know, we win
half of the final half the time, whoever this player is,
(05:31):
no matter what else they accomplished, would be getting absolutely
eviscerated every.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Year, same same thing. Can't get it done.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Even though Jerry West in the playoffs was always phenomenal
average what thirty seven points a game? Sir, he was phenomenal. Statistics,
absurd breakdowns. Yeah, and you hear the love for Jerry
West and his NBA career. Look was, I was too
young to see him, to see him play big time.
But you look, I know exactly what will be going
on talking about his record. He'd be getting no credit
and it would he would he would be the scourge
(06:00):
of sports talk radio. He'd we talk about, oh Jerry
wets could get there again, gonna lose. But think about
all the wonderful things they were saying about him, which
is correct. It's hard to win the NBA title, even
when you're playing back, when there's a few more teams,
It's hard to win. It's hard to be a star.
This is a guy who is one of the one
of the five biggest players that the that the league
has ever seen, one of the top three personalities. Because
(06:20):
you think about what he's done in executive that the
league has ever seen. And it's unadulterated love for him,
and that's the way it should be. And it's not
gonna be this way for Lebron. It's not gonna be
this way for anybody else doesn't win. Not gonna be
if Jason Tatum they blow the finals and they don't win,
for Luka Donzic, it's never gonna be that way. But
the fact that no one's talking about Jerry West record
(06:42):
in the finals or all the times he wasn't able
to win, They're saying all the right things because that's
your legs. You get to the finals nine times, that's
pretty good, right. I get that. Michael Jordan kind of changed,
like Tiger Woods changed how we viewed success in golf
because all of a sudden, he showed up and he
was winning all the time. Wait, we've never seen if
a guy won twice on the PGA two or before
Tiger showed that was a great year. Right, Wow, the
(07:02):
guy won the Memorial and he won the deposit guarantee,
or he won the PGA champ.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
They wears, and then you had all those years of
guys kind of battling it out.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But the fact Tiger won so often that changed what
we thought success was Jordan winning, going three for three
off two years three for three, Like that's a pretty
big deal coming about. Wow, he's undefeated the finals, he
got there six times. He want to go. Okay, that's great,
and that's awesome, but that shouldn't mean that whatever else
a player does gets minimized, Like Lebron's going to more
(07:36):
has gone to more finals than Michael Jordan, but it's
like they don't count because while he hasn't won, no
they count. I can't call me when Lebron has six rings?
Why does everybody say that's the only art? Uh So,
just think about that for a second. That it's it's
you know, a player like Lebron gets criticized because he
gets to a final and doesn't win. Meanwhile, hey, there's
(07:56):
lots of finals. Michael Jordan didn't even get to so wait,
so suddenly the years and Lebron's years were the same.
The years Lebron gets to the finals and doesn't win
is the same as Jordan not even getting to the finals. Right,
But that's the way. But that's the way we look
at it, and and it's the wrong way to do
it and the way. I'm so glad today what we
saw with everybody celebrating Jerry West the right way, because
(08:16):
this is the way we should celebrate guys like Lebron
or guys who get to the finals and they go
two for seven. You get the seven believe in finals,
man I got the five finals, get the four finals
they won. This is the way it should be. But
it wouldn't be Jerry West if this was today, that's
people would be saying about him. And I'm so glad
that people have moved away to that and talked about
him that way, because that tells you we go too
(08:37):
hard on the players now that get as far as
they can and they win one at all, they've only
won once. They should have won six times, should have
won five times, but now should have won four times
by now, and and we really, we really evaluate them
unfairly when it comes down to it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Did you get that clutch chip put behind your left ear?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You kind of get those headphones making you look like clutching,
like someone's giving you a bunch of info run not
just an old potato chips stuff behind you. But the
big thing in the processing of Jerry West, as you
did with with his record in the finals, there's result
that reverence and salute always to what that Celtics squad was, right,
(09:22):
because it was the battle year after year between those squads,
and we celebrate it all these years later. Wow, what
a time. And yes, fewer teams, fewer players, all of that,
the ABA for a chunk of it go on down
the line, but it's it's just a celebration of you
know what that rivalry means to the NBA, right, Jerry
(09:44):
West through through the years and all the interviews, the
respect level that he's gotten as a player, as an executive,
it's seen as I mean, it's a unicorn kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We were joking about using that term with Porzingis for
the first two games when he gets back out here.
But you look at Jerry West of you know, just
as a player, have you ever heard a negative like
even as you're saying, with the record today doesn't exist
sports talk radio, hot take nonsense and everything else. It'd
be because we we make everybody combatants across the sands
(10:18):
of time, right, we we don't respect the eras for
what they are except in quiet conversations off Mike anymore. Now,
it's the well, look, you know, we have to you know,
hold everybody up to this huge you know, put them
on the pedestal, just only to knock it down. Lebron
(10:39):
James has certainly seen that more and more times than
anybody in his career. Make a good run. I mean,
look the last title he won. People don't want it
to count. Yeah no, no, that doesn't count. You jumped here,
he jumped down. I mean it's it's it's too much.
Getting to the finals needs to be like, hey, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A pretty big deal, right, that's a that's a pretty
big That's why winning the Pennant Major League base Ball
is a pretty big deal. Like getting to the finals.
Not everybody gets there. Look at the number of teams.
Look in the NFL the last five years, the number
of teams have gotten the conference championship. It's less than ten.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But think it's like every other year if people get
a turn, and they don't. But look at that grid.
Go back to the AFC.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
For all those years, except for one or two outliers,
it was Roethlisberger, it was Brady, and it was Manning.
That's it. There's your participants in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Let's go throw in at Joe Flacco every once in
a while, But for Jerry West, I mean the outpouring
of love, but the respect as a player like my dad,
you know, growing up like that was the guy he
would cite all the time. It was him and Oscar
Robertson were the two players that as a kid you
heard about and whenever there was a video component that
you could go back and watch, it was watch the clip,
(11:45):
like pure basketball and what they were all about going
into a time that you know, by the time I
was watching, now we're drifting into magic and bird and
being in Chicago, it was all Jordan all the time.
So certainly, you know, you'd get glimpses and you'd get
a little bit of the history lessons now and again.
And the NBA has gotten much better at it right.
(12:08):
Baseball always did that. Baseball always took care of you
where you got to see a lot of video clips.
You got to see a lot of Hey, here's the
montage of the great power hitters of all time. The
NBA didn't do that very well for a long long
time until they did the fiftieth anniversary. After that, I
think coverage got better and they cleaned up whatever video
(12:28):
footage they have, so we can get more glimpses of
these guys in their heyday as opposed to the last
year or two when maybe they were just pushing to
whatever they could physically because they didn't want to hang
up their jerseys. So for that, you know, we look
back at the career of Jerry West and celebrate it.
And to your point, yeah, even if you lost in
the finals, you met the juggernaut that was the Celtics,
(12:50):
and it means you were pretty damn good yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Exit. How about a Fresco exit swollen Dome. It is
the Jason Smith Show with my best friend. His name
is Mike Harman. We are from the Tirec dot Com studios.
All throughout the night tonight we'll remember the basketball life
in personal life of mister Clutch, Jerry West, the logo
who passed away earlier today at the age of eighty six.
There are just so many things to get to and
what I love is that, you know, there's people now
(13:15):
who are going to hear stories about Jerry West that
are going to say, Okay, he's someone that that appeals
to a generation that watched him play and understands that
and a generation that that knows the modern NBA now
and that because he helped shape the modest idio as well.
It really is just a fantastic thing. And boy, there's
(13:35):
one thing he's not getting nearly enough credit for, because
there was there was a time during his career where
he stood up and he he was responsible for something
that changed the way the NBA was And we're got
to get to that coming up as well. But man,
I'll tell you, getting all the love today doesn't matter
what his record was in the finals. You look at
the life he had. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Grab real, real quick. He's an important figure. For another
reason today is that you're hearing the names of a
lot of Hall of famers that he played against and
that he played with, and it parallels a lot of
the conversations we've been trying to have, you know, in
terms of intelligent discourse related to Caitlin Clark and the
WNBA run in for the last twenty five years. People
(14:16):
have to remember the league existed, and there were a
lot of guys that beat the hell out of each
other to get this league going before Magic and Larry
and Michael showed up. Same kind of thing so today
I think a lot of those guys are getting their flowers,
much like we do with some of these other conversations
of sports that maybe you're turning to a little more
than you did in the past.
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off the backboard. It is a thirteen point lead for
the Celtics final minute of the third quarter. We'll have
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coming up next. Jason and Mike keep it right here
(15:00):
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Jason kidd Hey and the Mavericks want to talk it
over Welcome inside the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon
live from the tiraq dot Com studios, eleven minutes to
go in the game, Game three, which would this would
end the NBA Finals basically if the Celtics won. And
right now they have a ninety one to seventy lead.
(16:43):
Yeah they want trailed by thirteen points. They have an
incredible third quarter, they close with a three. They open
the fourth quarter on a little mini run and this
is prompted a time out by the Mavericks as the
lead has balloon to twenty one. Now we'll get to
Jason Tatum in a second. We want to go back
(17:04):
to something that was said on this show, not by
one of us, a few days ago. If you remember,
we talked to Mark Stein, right he's covered the Mavericks
all year long, and I said to Mark, I said, Mark, okay,
going into game one, here, what's the biggest concern the
Mavericks had? What keeps the Mavericks up at night when
it comes to the Celtics. And he said, the fact
(17:27):
that everybody on this team can shoot threes and hit them.
That's a big No matter who it is, everybody on
this team can shoot threes and hit them. And tonight
Tatum's got four. White's got three, all right, Howser's got
three off the bench, okay, Jalen Brown's got a couple,
Horford's got a couple. Drew Holliday has won for two.
(17:50):
They have hit sixteen threes tonight in this game, and
the Mavericks have hit six. That's it. Like this, This
is Mark Stein saying this was the Mavericks' worst This
is their worst scenario come to light. Because everybody on
the Celtics can shoot. Is what's happening tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Right, because that's the thing we're watching, and you and
I coming into the series, we also talked a lot
about Porzingis and what he would be. Clearly not available
today and the Woes report that he probably won't be
available again. Well, it doesn't look like he's gonna they're
gonna need him. They got the big game and performance
out of him.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That they needed.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
He will not have to die on the court, as
he was talking about the other day. But just now
you're watching the collapse into the lane. Jalen Brown standing
by himself, Houser to your point, standing by himself, and Tatum.
He's got his points, but the distribution also there to
(18:45):
wide open looks as the double collapses. Something you've not
seen the Celtics defense do related to Kyrie and Luca.
It's like, you're gonna get yours, but the rest of
these guys are gonna struggle everybody not named Luca and
Kyrie Tonight eight of twenty one. It is what we
thought coming in, which was the Celtics were too deep,
(19:06):
they were too good. The Mavericks were gonna need Kyrie
and Luke at a fire on all cylinders and get
something else because look out, Talenting a team is a thing, right,
I mean, you can out talent people and win. And
this is exactly what the Celtics are doing right now.
They're out talenting the Dallas Mavericks. This is a way
to win. As much as you don't like it that
it's not a system, it's not that it need to be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
This is a way. This is how it works, man.
This is you get out talented. This is how you
can win.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
This is when you know Ricky, Bobby and Cal really
would be at their best rights.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Sometimes you have to win.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But but how can how can I win you? How
can Island you?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And you know what Jalen Brown and Jason Daneum clearly decided.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know what you can You could be Ricky Bobby
tonight if you need to be.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Look, and to tell you how deep the Celtics are,
remember all of this being done without Porzingis, all of
this or Zingi's not playing tonight. He was the big
key and they were missing him, and they were gonna.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And only two guys have scored off the bench for
the Celtics in this game. Tillman and Houser combined twelve points,
four of five shooting, Pritchard's nine point or nine minutes
oh for three.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So look and look and and when you when you
when you want to examine the ebb and flow of
a series. Right, the first two games were not incredibly
great games by the Celtics, right, They they just played
a little bit better than the Mavericks did. Right, first game,
Porzingis off the bench gave them an incredible lift. The
second game was Drew Holliday, right, and still both.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Plus seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You got Intu Tatum had a great game distributing the ball,
but shooting he wasn't great. But this was not where
the Celtics play. And you know, as much as you say, hey,
the Celtics are gonna give you a game every round.
You know they're gonna have a couple of games where
they just fire on all cylinders. They were up two
games to none and they haven't even had that yet.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But you had opportunities the night of the speak back
in and get him right, and you didn't. And certainly
game two is one that stands out. Luca getting the
shot and whatever he does, seems like every attempt, the
foul call, he's he's looking in the fact that he
hasn't been teed up or tossed at this point. It's
(21:23):
kind of incredible with the amount of demonstrative showing up with.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
The reflect that's because he yells and then he hides
when when the guys turn around, who is that?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
We know who it is.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Who said that? I heard that?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
But who was it was?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It wasn't me, but yeah, it's it's one of those
for the Celtics. Now you're getting a bunch of wide
open looks. Sixteen point lead here, nine to twenty four
tall order.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
PJ.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Washington actually just hit a shot though, I mean, so
that was encouraging. Now whom I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Now look now, now it's great it's a great night
for the Celtic. Gets to the second part of the conversation,
right part one is Boston's deeper that you knew they
were gonna have a game like this, putting it together.
This is just what we get from the Celtics. They're
out talenting everyone. But to get into Jason Tatum. Here
for a second, who has twenty seven tonight? It's ten
for twenty one from the floor. He's having a terrific night.
(22:18):
Right three point, He's only four, but he's still got
four threes. Not shooting great a percentage from threes, but
he's taken a lot of heat check shots to make
me go wow, here's a heat check from Tatum. There's
a heat check from Tatum. Everybody criticizes Jason Tatum and
the critics that he has. They don't want to give
(22:38):
him any credit for being the superstar that he is.
And I'm telling you there's times when I see him
with the ball in an offensive set where I think
he's the most unstoppable player I've ever seen, because he's
big enough to get whatever shot he wants off. He's
strong enough, he can get to the rim, he can
take a fade away there's times when I go, this
guy is absolutely unstoppable. And you've seen over the course
of his career, which is still in the first few years,
(22:59):
how great of star he is. But he's not the
star that everybody has grown accustomed to the last few
years in the NBA. He's not Michael Jordan, where I
want to slit your throat and step on it and
I want to drink your blood on the way to
the rim. Right, that's the same thing why it's why
everybody love Kobe Bryant. Right, Hey, I want to, I
(23:20):
want to. I want to choke you out and make
sure that you are not winning this game. That I'm
going to do it. I'm gonna hit free throws with
a torn achilles and then come out of the game.
And it's the same thing to a degree with the Warriors.
We're gonna blow the doors off of you. We're gonna
come out and hit threes and you're not gonna know
what the hell is going on, and Stuff's gonna do
the good night thing, and Draymond's gonna yell and scream,
and Clay's gonna say I'm one of the fifty best
(23:41):
players in the game. Right, this is what we're used to.
But Tatum's not that guy. Tatum's a gen Z superstar.
He doesn't lead in the way that we expect or
have grown accustomed to our stars leading, so we don't
like him as much. Oh, Jason Tatum needs to do this,
you just say this. That's just not who he is.
Jason Tatum is a phenomenal player on the court, and
you know what, you got to give the Celtics credit
for achieving. They've been to the finals now twice with
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him as their best player. He's really bleeping good. But
just because he's not Jordan and he's not and he's
not even peek Lebron that oh you know, Tatum, doesn't Tatum.
He's overrated. He's this even if they win this year,
they're not gonna win next year and all this stuff.
It's find a way to move the goalpost on Jason
Tatum when seriously, it's okay, it's time to give the
guy credit. You don't need to be that kind of guy.
(24:24):
And let's face it, there's not a lot of guys
like that.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's at different times, a different NBA. It's different in
twenty twenty four. The players that have come up now
have come up differently than the players coming up. There's
more than one way to lead and more than one
way to be a great player. And we've seen Tatum. Hey,
I know when to take over. I don't make all
the shots, but I know when I when I can facilitate,
which is what he did in game two. I know
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when you need me to take the big shots. Whi's
what we need now in game three, like it's time
to give him some credit and give him some flowers,
because you know, because everybody keeps moving the goalposts on him,
he just doesn't get that and he needs to. I mean,
are we gonna sit here with him holding up the
Larry O'Brian trophy and go, hey, he still thinks. I mean,
people are gonna still try to do it when that's
wrong because he's just a different kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Normally he responds to the critics with a little bit
at the podium and then he goes out and has
some big games and is you know, Ryan Hollins has
been sitting with me on Sunday mornings, Fox Sports Sunday
six to nine Pacific. Tune in wherever you're at on
the iHeart radio app Shamble's plug, you know, talking about him.
(25:29):
Sometimes he then gets into a I'm going to do
it all and it gets them into quote a little
bit of trouble because it's hard to criticize what they've
done this year, right in terms of what he does
have a game, because you don't have a lot of
loss regular season or playoffs. You've kind of run rough
shot through everybody. So now you get into that nick
picking kind of thing. Now, I'm a Jalen Brown guy myself.
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So you've got two guys running in parallel.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
And look, even.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Jason Kidd before the series was doing everything he could
to try to get them to go at each other.
How do I how do I get a little bit
fight on the car?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I got nothing. I know we're over overmatched in man.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
But Adam Silver, if I get two guys on the
same team to fight, do they still get technicals and
thrown out of the yellow cards and we free throws?
That happens, right, We don't have to have a guy
on our team fight. Okay, we've seen that soccer. He
just got a yellow card. No, it's just on his
own player.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So it's it's that kind of thing, try to get
them against each other, and then it's just a which
side you go and and typically me being you know,
a five to seven uh ish uh little uh fire
plug of a guy, I'll usually go to the guard
as my chosen guy. And for Jalen Brown, uh, you've
seen him do some of that taking over and he
(26:45):
gave us one of the great quotes. Also, you know
between the Western or I'm sorry the Eastern Conference finals
into the finals, ask what he did with his time off?
He goes, well, a lot of other guys, you know, families,
they've got to get the kids around, and you know,
you got your time because you know, I don't have
the fan.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I don't do that. So I just watched all the
Harry Potter movies, so I just got it.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So, you know that kind of endeared him to me,
just kind of like, well, I didn't have a lot
of responsibility, So what did I do?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I watched watch the movies and kind of hung out.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, I gotta say five is the best movie
and four is probably the best book.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, that's the obvious follow up.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
It takes you an ask a band guy or I mean,
what are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But you know, for Jalen Brown, for Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean they're gonna be linked at the hip and
and if you get the title, perhaps for a moment
everybody shuts up, if only.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
For a moment. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I think there's such an anti Tatum miss out there
that the Celtics win. The people, well it's the fluke.
Look at the easy run they had everybody no, no,
but you know how to do this. But you know
people are gonna do that just gard. That was set
up no matter how well played. But that's been the
last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's like we we look at the path and then
it becomes it, Well, they didn't have to play that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Didn't have to play that guy, So okay.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like you're not gonna you don't have to play every
team in your you know, conference playoff bracket, and somewhere
some team's gonna get beaten that.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Unfortunately, they were.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Not at full strength right go back through you know
your Knicks and the early run they had, like people
are appreciated the moxie. Did they play everybody, get everybody's
best shot?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, there were injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
If the Knicks had somehow won one more game and
played the Celtics and the conference finals, they would have
got they would have got blown up because they look
they had.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But I'm just saying even the Knicks run to that point, Yeah,
there were injury laden squads on the other side of
who they beat, and but you celebrated for what it
is right and and yes can we are If you're
gonna do the the BS rankings of where do they
stack up? Is the greatest Eastern Conference representative in the
(28:56):
finals of all time, then yes, let's talk about injuries
and pats. But in the end, if you're holding up
a trophy, I don't give a damn for all the sway.
But they're also the knuckleheads, and God bless them. You know,
you show up in a suit and tie on a
TV show, people pay attention to the nonsense you spew.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's the way it works.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Carman. It's gonna be time to give Jason
Tatum as flowers, whether you want to or not. And
maybe it happens, maybe not, because this game has gone
a little closer right now. Time out on the floor,
Boston with the three point lead over the Mavericks ninety
three to ninety. It has been a twenty to two
(29:37):
run for the Mavericks, who are seeing the end of
the season staring them in the face, and they have responded.
Kyrine now with thirty one, easily his best game of
the Finals. Luca's got twenty seven even PJ. Washington, Now
start eat up a little bit. He's got a couple
of threes. We are in the final six minutes of
Game three of the NBA Finals. When we next speak,
(29:59):
are the Celtics about to go up three zip or
the Mavericks be getting back in this series? Yes, it
is crunch time. Keep it right here. Must listen Radio
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Speaker 2 (30:10):
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Speaker 1 (30:18):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon. And Oh my goodness, do we have the
biggest review of the NBA season so far happening right now?
Luka Doncic was just called for a blocking foul. Jalen
Brown had the ball, Luca gets called for a blocking
(30:39):
foul and it's a legitimate call. He's moving and this
is a legitimate call. If this is not overturned, that
is six on Luca and he is out of the game.
They are reviewing it now. He's yet. He just yelled
change the call. Right, he got well, he yells change
(30:59):
the So now you know, hey, maybe someone's in a
phone in a conversation. Oh you know, that's six on Luca. Right.
You know, if this was five, you could just say
it was okay. But this is six on Luca. Man,
we need the NBA Finals to go more than four nights.
You take that foul away.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I need to see another replay. I need it. I
need it one more time.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But look, no matter what said planted, no matter what
I'm extended, that's a stupid play by Luca. When you
have five fouls, you can't you can't get that close.
I know it's a it's a three point game and
you're upset that you just missed your last two shots
because Jason Tatum died you up and you missed twice
from down, from from in close. I know you're upset,
but that was still a stupid play. You can't get
(31:41):
that close and have that happen. You cannot.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Superstars don't get six files called with four minutes in
a game.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's it's just an insane you know better than that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's an insane thing to see that Luca with five
files is gonna put himself in that in that position
to foul out of the game. And the call has
been up held on the floor and Luca has fouled
out of the game. He is out of game three,
twenty seven, six and six. So the Mavericks well end six, yes,
twenty seven, six, six and six. So the Mavericks are
(32:12):
gonna have to navigate this comeback without their best player.
That was just dumb, really, you know, I know, and listen,
this is Luca who can be an emotional player, and
I get it. But to take this back the last
couple times, you're talking about the Mavericks who have come
back from down twenty one, right that twenty to two run,
and they cut the lead to three twice in two
(32:35):
consecutive possessions down the floor, Luca had the ball one
on one with Jason Tatum, a chance to either tie
the game or cut it to one point, and both
times Jason Tatum did not allow him to get a
good shot off, and he missed down low, and then
he missed on a fade away from about ten feet away,
So I get that he's probably upset that twice he
went one on one with Tatum and Tatum found a
(32:57):
way to push him back, So maybe he's not thinking sure,
And now you want to stop a breakaway layup by
Jalen Brown to make it you know, so you're not
down five, But dude, there's still four minutes left in
the game. This is not the final ten seconds where hey,
if he gets it and gets the layup, the game
is over. I mean, you got to make a smarter
play than that. You can't decide I'm gonna get it
his way and draw a foul because that's what we're here.
(33:19):
You can't do that, man, that's all you'll play by.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Look, well, but it's a preponderance of evidence that lucas
trying really hard defensively, and that's how I have to
put it. He's trying really hard because look, his defense
has been mocked and shided for a long period of time.
Now you get a moving screen call against PJ. Washington,
(33:45):
which is suspected best. But I don't think you have
any challenges left, so it doesn't really quite matter. You
had brown on a putback and they bring the ball
back up and have the file. But for Luca, yeah,
he made a lot of gambles right defensively in terms
of reach ins. We we've talked about this throughout the
(34:06):
playoffs of you know, there's a lot of contact on
both ends of the court that he's looking for a
call that he doesn't get offensively and he comes right
back down. You've been coaching, you know, your your daughter's sports,
both soccer and softball. How often do you see the
the the women, the young ladies go and try to
get their retaliation and there they're put back immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Luca does that all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Right, I didn't get a call on this end, so
I'm going to go initiate contact and hope that I
just happened to be positioned now and that that one
he didn't get the benefit of the doubt for that
sixth file. That was too icy of a play, like
some margin too thine, with four minutes left in a
three point game, to put yourself in that position, I mean,
and look, I understand wanting to make a play, and
(34:52):
I understand the the aggressiveness of it. But that's a
play where you got to say, you know what, we
missed the balls in the open court. They're going to
go up five, right, there's four minutes left, and there's
a ton of ton the defensively, it actually slows Brown down.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And really the referees had no choice. It was called
a foul on the floor.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
They had a choice.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well, they could have not called the fan. They should
have not called.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Well they had two guys gnutes.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
But you also had Donic and Tatum run into each other. No,
it was it was done and Brown like three minutes
earlier when they went spinning around and no foul was
called on either guy and whatever that way before Justin
Frost wanted to come in and say, hey, wait, of
course you don't have to call that foul, Justin.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Who's your favorite team again, Well it's not the Celtics.
The Laker fan says, you can't let the Celtics get
away with that. Well, this has nothing to do with that.
With five minutes to go, you got to let that go.
That filed out, you know what, because that's a great
play by Jalen Brown, drawing so much physicality that they
(35:58):
had to do it. That should become a Celtics home.
I'm not saying, look, I'm just going by what I've
been seeing here, not just because you saw Jalen Brown,
who made a great decision with the ball, saying, you
know what, if I forced this contact, we may get
that sixth on him because he makes it so the
referees had to blow the way only the fourth whistle, right,
(36:21):
they had to blow that. And this is a great
chance that I can take here to say, hey, let's
let let let's see if we can foul Luca Dogs
out of the game because he made the referees have
to blow the whistle. You can't just let that go.
Can't just dribble and dribble into somebody lose the ball,
say oh, we didn't see anything. He made them have
to do it. And there's nothing on the call that
tells you, oh yeah, yeah, you go back and look
at it. You have to take you have to rescind
(36:43):
that foul. There was nothing on there. The referee said, listen,
we have no choice to make. Your guy shouldn't have
gotten the way. You shouldn't have put himself in a
bad spot, which is exactly what he did. It was
your fault. He's out of the game. He's out of
the game. Was legit?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, we're in a tight spot. Only it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Again, But again, I appreciate Justin's response to this, and
it's not a full Laker thing. It's just superstar calls
in terms of falling a guy out.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
It's not even that. It's just five minutes to go
in the finals game. You gotta let that go. Uh No,
your whistle? No, dude, you had no choice but to
call it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What do you mean, No, you have no choice because
James Brown the layup and he dribbles right into Luca
and they fall on the ball. You no, you got
the refereesman may will not even have referece.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But like I said, there was a there was a
play earlier where they might as well have been on
on the wires like they're Tom Cruise in Mission impossible,
flopping to the floor, ball goes rolling. Everybody's looking around
waiting for a whistle. Wait, no whistle? All right, play on.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Hey, this is a new NBA Finals where you call
your shot. Oh really, yeah, call your foul, call your
own foul. If you get it, you get it. If not,
it's Okay, that's how we move on. Uh where do
we sit right now? After all the drama, The Celtics
have the basketball forty seconds left in the game and
they own a one oh two ninety eight lead over
the the Mavericks. The Mavericks have stayed in it and
(38:02):
stayed close despite Luka Doncic fouling out of the game.
But now it's a four point lead for the Celtics
with forty two seconds left to go. Boy, when you
hear our voices next, is it the Celtics up three zip?
Is it the Mavericks back in it? We got a
lot of trauma to go. Stay here with us, Fox,
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Okay, Alex ty Shirt. Maybe not the day to run
that open, maybe not? Maybe not? Maybe not the day
to run that open about the logo? Maybe not? Why
I'm just saying, maybe not the data run that open.
What happened? Well? So stop stop? What stop? Not the
data run that open? I want the Jeta and Goku
(00:50):
to get their tails back. You've been okay, you've.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Been working all day?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Okay. You know that Jerry West, who the NBA logo
is based on, died today? Did he?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Maybe? Really? You just did the odd couple for three hours?
Did I? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I got him with the flashy thing from Men in Black?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, okay, right, Well, because I I understand he probably
is continually so absorbed in this chestnut. Kobe Yashi now
that Joey Chestnuts his favorite athlete because he's endorsing impossible foods.
But just maybe not the best day for that open.
You're the one making fun of him in the open. No,
but maybe no, maybe not. Wasn't making fun of it.
Was I was just moving Jalen Brunston to be in
(01:30):
the luds. Okay, maybe not, maybe not the day for
that's a good time. Yeah, maybe not.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean you could have said, hey, you know, name
the championship trophy after him, the MVP trophy after him.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
No, you went straight for the logo, so it is
kind of your fault.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah. Uh, we'll have more on the life of mister
Clutch coming up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What a life man.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Uh eighty six years old. Incredible run, incredible run for
Jerry West and and look you'll look, we'll get to well,
let's talk Jerry West here. Then I got to make
up for that, you know open that was erroneously aired
and now Tyshirt's going to be in people's offices tomorrow
saying why did you run that open? It doesn't make
it Wow, why did that?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's called we get to talk about the logo, right,
get just to the discussion that you're that important to
a league, that seminal of figure.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You're that respected that when they said we're putting.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
A player on the logo, not just a ball, We're
gonna put a player on the logo. That your silhouette
is what's been there for years, never truly acknowledged, but all.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Of us have high we'd have to cut some kind
of because that logo is everywhere.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Well, you signed off and let us we're gonna use
you as the logo. I mean he does leaf trading cards.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Actually had a deal where he inscribed, which he didn't
do a lot the logo under his signature, so I
mean even he acknowledged it.
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So again, we'll get to the NBA Finals in a second.
Boston's now jumped out. They have an eight point lead
over Dallas midway through the third quarter. But the thing
(03:14):
about Jerry West, and you've heard a lot about him today,
and I want to take it in a different direction.
Something you probably haven't heard about. All that's been today
has been the life of Jerry West, the life as
an NBA superstar and Hall of Famer, the life as
a Hall of Famer executive. Right, the guy built the
Lakers a couple of times, he built the Clippers. He
was able to do so many things. But Jerry. But
(03:38):
judging by how listen to how people talk about Jerry
West today, what have you heard, hey? Jerry West also
a only player to an MVP of the NBA Finals,
in which he played for a losing team. Right, that
was a really big deal today. Jerry West legacy and
you hear people how they're talking about him today should
tell you that we go way too hard on NBA
players because you're talking about mister clutch the logo. You
(04:04):
know what his record was in the NBA final run
the finals, red, Yeah, let's go his record. His record
he beat the Knicks ones. His record in the NBA
Finals was one and eight one in eight. He got
to the finals nine times, lost to the Celtics six times,
and was one and two against the Knicks. He won
(04:25):
a title in seventy two. Okay, one and eight in
the NBA finals. Now extrapolate this to today, if any
star player, whether it's I mean Lebron, look at Lebron's, right,
I mean, look Lebron's Look Lebron's won more than one
and still it's oh, he doesn't get enough. Getting the
finals is enough. And it's ridiculous because you're talking about
a guy that, again one in eight in the finals,
(04:48):
got to nine finals one once, lost to the arch
rival six times, six times. Can you imagine, let's just
throw Lebron in there. Can you imagine Lebron losing to
the Celtics in the NBA finals six times and losing
to the Knicks twice or modern Warriors, right like stretch
to say he's in Cleveland and he loses to the
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Warriors six times or no matter what, he lose that
what are we saying about him? Oh he's overrated, he's
not a great player. He's not what everybody thinks he is.
Because if you're a good player, you win. If you're
a good player, you wind up winning, you win, you
win more than a couple, maybe you win half of
the finals, which is what Lebron basically has done since
he come into the league. Oh you know, we win
half of the final half the time, whoever this player is,
(05:31):
no matter what else they accomplished, would be getting absolutely
eviscerated every.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Year, same same thing. Can't get it done.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Even though Jerry West in the playoffs was always phenomenal
average what thirty seven points a game? Sir, he was phenomenal. Statistics,
absurd breakdowns. Yeah, and you hear the love for Jerry
West and his NBA career. Look was, I was too
young to see him, to see him play big time.
But you look, I know exactly what will be going
on talking about his record. He'd be getting no credit
and it would he would he would be the scourge
(06:00):
of sports talk radio. He'd we talk about, oh Jerry
wets could get there again, gonna lose. But think about
all the wonderful things they were saying about him, which
is correct. It's hard to win the NBA title, even
when you're playing back, when there's a few more teams,
It's hard to win. It's hard to be a star.
This is a guy who is one of the one
of the five biggest players that the that the league
has ever seen, one of the top three personalities. Because
(06:20):
you think about what he's done in executive that the
league has ever seen. And it's unadulterated love for him,
and that's the way it should be. And it's not
gonna be this way for Lebron. It's not gonna be
this way for anybody else doesn't win. Not gonna be
if Jason Tatum they blow the finals and they don't win,
for Luka Donzic, it's never gonna be that way. But
the fact that no one's talking about Jerry West record
(06:42):
in the finals or all the times he wasn't able
to win, They're saying all the right things because that's
your legs. You get to the finals nine times, that's
pretty good, right. I get that. Michael Jordan kind of changed,
like Tiger Woods changed how we viewed success in golf
because all of a sudden, he showed up and he
was winning all the time. Wait, we've never seen if
a guy won twice on the PGA two or before
Tiger showed that was a great year. Right, Wow, the
(07:02):
guy won the Memorial and he won the deposit guarantee,
or he won the PGA champ.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
They wears, and then you had all those years of
guys kind of battling it out.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But the fact Tiger won so often that changed what
we thought success was Jordan winning, going three for three
off two years three for three, Like that's a pretty
big deal coming about. Wow, he's undefeated the finals, he
got there six times. He want to go. Okay, that's great,
and that's awesome, but that shouldn't mean that whatever else
a player does gets minimized, Like Lebron's going to more
(07:36):
has gone to more finals than Michael Jordan, but it's
like they don't count because while he hasn't won, no
they count. I can't call me when Lebron has six rings?
Why does everybody say that's the only art? Uh So,
just think about that for a second. That it's it's
you know, a player like Lebron gets criticized because he
gets to a final and doesn't win. Meanwhile, hey, there's
(07:56):
lots of finals. Michael Jordan didn't even get to so wait,
so suddenly the years and Lebron's years were the same.
The years Lebron gets to the finals and doesn't win
is the same as Jordan not even getting to the finals. Right,
But that's the way. But that's the way we look
at it, and and it's the wrong way to do
it and the way. I'm so glad today what we
saw with everybody celebrating Jerry West the right way, because
(08:16):
this is the way we should celebrate guys like Lebron
or guys who get to the finals and they go
two for seven. You get the seven believe in finals,
man I got the five finals, get the four finals
they won. This is the way it should be. But
it wouldn't be Jerry West if this was today, that's
people would be saying about him. And I'm so glad
that people have moved away to that and talked about
him that way, because that tells you we go too
(08:37):
hard on the players now that get as far as
they can and they win one at all, they've only
won once. They should have won six times, should have
won five times, but now should have won four times
by now, and and we really, we really evaluate them
unfairly when it comes down to it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Did you get that clutch chip put behind your left ear?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You kind of get those headphones making you look like clutching,
like someone's giving you a bunch of info run not
just an old potato chips stuff behind you. But the
big thing in the processing of Jerry West, as you
did with with his record in the finals, there's result
that reverence and salute always to what that Celtics squad was, right,
(09:22):
because it was the battle year after year between those squads,
and we celebrate it all these years later. Wow, what
a time. And yes, fewer teams, fewer players, all of that,
the ABA for a chunk of it go on down
the line, but it's it's just a celebration of you
know what that rivalry means to the NBA, right, Jerry
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West through through the years and all the interviews, the
respect level that he's gotten as a player, as an executive,
it's seen as I mean, it's a unicorn kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
We were joking about using that term with Porzingis for
the first two games when he gets back out here.
But you look at Jerry West of you know, just
as a player, have you ever heard a negative like
even as you're saying, with the record today doesn't exist
sports talk radio, hot take nonsense and everything else. It'd
be because we we make everybody combatants across the sands
(10:18):
of time, right, we we don't respect the eras for
what they are except in quiet conversations off Mike anymore. Now,
it's the well, look, you know, we have to you know,
hold everybody up to this huge you know, put them
on the pedestal, just only to knock it down. Lebron
(10:39):
James has certainly seen that more and more times than
anybody in his career. Make a good run. I mean,
look the last title he won. People don't want it
to count. Yeah no, no, that doesn't count. You jumped here,
he jumped down. I mean it's it's it's too much.
Getting to the finals needs to be like, hey, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
A pretty big deal, right, that's a that's a pretty
big That's why winning the Pennant Major League base Ball
is a pretty big deal. Like getting to the finals.
Not everybody gets there. Look at the number of teams.
Look in the NFL the last five years, the number
of teams have gotten the conference championship. It's less than ten.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
But think it's like every other year if people get
a turn, and they don't. But look at that grid.
Go back to the AFC.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
For all those years, except for one or two outliers,
it was Roethlisberger, it was Brady, and it was Manning.
That's it. There's your participants in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Let's go throw in at Joe Flacco every once in
a while, But for Jerry West, I mean the outpouring
of love, but the respect as a player like my dad,
you know, growing up like that was the guy he
would cite all the time. It was him and Oscar
Robertson were the two players that as a kid you
heard about and whenever there was a video component that
you could go back and watch, it was watch the clip,
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like pure basketball and what they were all about going
into a time that you know, by the time I
was watching, now we're drifting into magic and bird and
being in Chicago, it was all Jordan all the time.
So certainly, you know, you'd get glimpses and you'd get
a little bit of the history lessons now and again.
And the NBA has gotten much better at it right.
(12:08):
Baseball always did that. Baseball always took care of you
where you got to see a lot of video clips.
You got to see a lot of Hey, here's the
montage of the great power hitters of all time. The
NBA didn't do that very well for a long long
time until they did the fiftieth anniversary. After that, I
think coverage got better and they cleaned up whatever video
(12:28):
footage they have, so we can get more glimpses of
these guys in their heyday as opposed to the last
year or two when maybe they were just pushing to
whatever they could physically because they didn't want to hang
up their jerseys. So for that, you know, we look
back at the career of Jerry West and celebrate it.
And to your point, yeah, even if you lost in
the finals, you met the juggernaut that was the Celtics,
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and it means you were pretty damn good yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Exit. How about a Fresco exit swollen Dome. It is
the Jason Smith Show with my best friend. His name
is Mike Harman. We are from the Tirec dot Com studios.
All throughout the night tonight we'll remember the basketball life
in personal life of mister Clutch, Jerry West, the logo
who passed away earlier today at the age of eighty six.
There are just so many things to get to and
what I love is that, you know, there's people now
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who are going to hear stories about Jerry West that
are going to say, Okay, he's someone that that appeals
to a generation that watched him play and understands that
and a generation that that knows the modern NBA now
and that because he helped shape the modest idio as well.
It really is just a fantastic thing. And boy, there's
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one thing he's not getting nearly enough credit for, because
there was there was a time during his career where
he stood up and he he was responsible for something
that changed the way the NBA was And we're got
to get to that coming up as well. But man,
I'll tell you, getting all the love today doesn't matter
what his record was in the finals. You look at
the life he had. It was unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Grab real, real quick. He's an important figure. For another
reason today is that you're hearing the names of a
lot of Hall of famers that he played against and
that he played with, and it parallels a lot of
the conversations we've been trying to have, you know, in
terms of intelligent discourse related to Caitlin Clark and the
WNBA run in for the last twenty five years. People
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have to remember the league existed, and there were a
lot of guys that beat the hell out of each
other to get this league going before Magic and Larry
and Michael showed up. Same kind of thing so today
I think a lot of those guys are getting their flowers,
much like we do with some of these other conversations
of sports that maybe you're turning to a little more
than you did in the past.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Exit Hot about a Fresco exit Swallen' Dome. The Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Carmon live from
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off the backboard. It is a thirteen point lead for
the Celtics final minute of the third quarter. We'll have
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coming up next. Jason and Mike keep it right here
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Speaker 1 (16:19):
Jason kidd Hey and the Mavericks want to talk it
over Welcome inside the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon
live from the tiraq dot Com studios, eleven minutes to
go in the game, Game three, which would this would
end the NBA Finals basically if the Celtics won. And
right now they have a ninety one to seventy lead.
(16:43):
Yeah they want trailed by thirteen points. They have an
incredible third quarter, they close with a three. They open
the fourth quarter on a little mini run and this
is prompted a time out by the Mavericks as the
lead has balloon to twenty one. Now we'll get to
Jason Tatum in a second. We want to go back
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to something that was said on this show, not by
one of us, a few days ago. If you remember,
we talked to Mark Stein, right he's covered the Mavericks
all year long, and I said to Mark, I said, Mark, okay,
going into game one, here, what's the biggest concern the
Mavericks had? What keeps the Mavericks up at night when
it comes to the Celtics. And he said, the fact
(17:27):
that everybody on this team can shoot threes and hit them.
That's a big No matter who it is, everybody on
this team can shoot threes and hit them. And tonight
Tatum's got four. White's got three, all right, Howser's got
three off the bench, okay, Jalen Brown's got a couple,
Horford's got a couple. Drew Holliday has won for two.
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They have hit sixteen threes tonight in this game, and
the Mavericks have hit six. That's it. Like this, This
is Mark Stein saying this was the Mavericks' worst This
is their worst scenario come to light. Because everybody on
the Celtics can shoot. Is what's happening tonight.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Right, because that's the thing we're watching, and you and
I coming into the series, we also talked a lot
about Porzingis and what he would be. Clearly not available
today and the Woes report that he probably won't be
available again. Well, it doesn't look like he's gonna they're
gonna need him. They got the big game and performance
out of him.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That they needed.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
He will not have to die on the court, as
he was talking about the other day. But just now
you're watching the collapse into the lane. Jalen Brown standing
by himself, Houser to your point, standing by himself, and Tatum.
He's got his points, but the distribution also there to
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wide open looks as the double collapses. Something you've not
seen the Celtics defense do related to Kyrie and Luca.
It's like, you're gonna get yours, but the rest of
these guys are gonna struggle everybody not named Luca and
Kyrie Tonight eight of twenty one. It is what we
thought coming in, which was the Celtics were too deep,
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they were too good. The Mavericks were gonna need Kyrie
and Luke at a fire on all cylinders and get
something else because look out, Talenting a team is a thing, right,
I mean, you can out talent people and win. And
this is exactly what the Celtics are doing right now.
They're out talenting the Dallas Mavericks. This is a way
to win. As much as you don't like it that
it's not a system, it's not that it need to be.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
This is a way. This is how it works, man.
This is you get out talented. This is how you
can win.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
This is when you know Ricky, Bobby and Cal really
would be at their best rights.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Sometimes you have to win.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
But but how can how can I win you? How
can Island you?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And you know what Jalen Brown and Jason Daneum clearly decided.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You know what you can You could be Ricky Bobby
tonight if you need to be.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Look, and to tell you how deep the Celtics are,
remember all of this being done without Porzingis, all of
this or Zingi's not playing tonight. He was the big
key and they were missing him, and they were gonna.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
And only two guys have scored off the bench for
the Celtics in this game. Tillman and Houser combined twelve points,
four of five shooting, Pritchard's nine point or nine minutes
oh for three.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
So look and look and and when you when you
when you want to examine the ebb and flow of
a series. Right, the first two games were not incredibly
great games by the Celtics, right, They they just played
a little bit better than the Mavericks did. Right, first game,
Porzingis off the bench gave them an incredible lift. The
second game was Drew Holliday, right, and still both.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Plus seven and a half.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You got Intu Tatum had a great game distributing the ball,
but shooting he wasn't great. But this was not where
the Celtics play. And you know, as much as you say, hey,
the Celtics are gonna give you a game every round.
You know they're gonna have a couple of games where
they just fire on all cylinders. They were up two
games to none and they haven't even had that yet.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
But you had opportunities the night of the speak back
in and get him right, and you didn't. And certainly
game two is one that stands out. Luca getting the
shot and whatever he does, seems like every attempt, the
foul call, he's he's looking in the fact that he
hasn't been teed up or tossed at this point. It's
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kind of incredible with the amount of demonstrative showing up with.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
The reflect that's because he yells and then he hides
when when the guys turn around, who is that?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
We know who it is.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Who said that? I heard that?
Speaker 7 (21:36):
But who was it was?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
It wasn't me, but yeah, it's it's one of those
for the Celtics. Now you're getting a bunch of wide
open looks. Sixteen point lead here, nine to twenty four
tall order.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
PJ.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Washington actually just hit a shot though, I mean, so
that was encouraging. Now whom I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Now look now, now it's great it's a great night
for the Celtic. Gets to the second part of the conversation,
right part one is Boston's deeper that you knew they
were gonna have a game like this, putting it together.
This is just what we get from the Celtics. They're
out talenting everyone. But to get into Jason Tatum. Here
for a second, who has twenty seven tonight? It's ten
for twenty one from the floor. He's having a terrific night.
(22:18):
Right three point, He's only four, but he's still got
four threes. Not shooting great a percentage from threes, but
he's taken a lot of heat check shots to make
me go wow, here's a heat check from Tatum. There's
a heat check from Tatum. Everybody criticizes Jason Tatum and
the critics that he has. They don't want to give
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him any credit for being the superstar that he is.
And I'm telling you there's times when I see him
with the ball in an offensive set where I think
he's the most unstoppable player I've ever seen, because he's
big enough to get whatever shot he wants off. He's
strong enough, he can get to the rim, he can
take a fade away there's times when I go, this
guy is absolutely unstoppable. And you've seen over the course
of his career, which is still in the first few years,
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how great of star he is. But he's not the
star that everybody has grown accustomed to the last few
years in the NBA. He's not Michael Jordan, where I
want to slit your throat and step on it and
I want to drink your blood on the way to
the rim. Right, that's the same thing why it's why
everybody love Kobe Bryant. Right, Hey, I want to, I
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want to. I want to choke you out and make
sure that you are not winning this game. That I'm
going to do it. I'm gonna hit free throws with
a torn achilles and then come out of the game.
And it's the same thing to a degree with the Warriors.
We're gonna blow the doors off of you. We're gonna
come out and hit threes and you're not gonna know
what the hell is going on, and Stuff's gonna do
the good night thing, and Draymond's gonna yell and scream,
and Clay's gonna say I'm one of the fifty best
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players in the game. Right, this is what we're used to.
But Tatum's not that guy. Tatum's a gen Z superstar.
He doesn't lead in the way that we expect or
have grown accustomed to our stars leading, so we don't
like him as much. Oh, Jason Tatum needs to do this,
you just say this. That's just not who he is.
Jason Tatum is a phenomenal player on the court, and
you know what, you got to give the Celtics credit
for achieving. They've been to the finals now twice with
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him as their best player. He's really bleeping good. But
just because he's not Jordan and he's not and he's
not even peek Lebron that oh you know, Tatum, doesn't Tatum.
He's overrated. He's this even if they win this year,
they're not gonna win next year and all this stuff.
It's find a way to move the goalpost on Jason
Tatum when seriously, it's okay, it's time to give the
guy credit. You don't need to be that kind of guy.
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And let's face it, there's not a lot of guys
like that.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
It's at different times, a different NBA. It's different in
twenty twenty four. The players that have come up now
have come up differently than the players coming up. There's
more than one way to lead and more than one
way to be a great player. And we've seen Tatum. Hey,
I know when to take over. I don't make all
the shots, but I know when I when I can facilitate,
which is what he did in game two. I know
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when you need me to take the big shots. Whi's
what we need now in game three, like it's time
to give him some credit and give him some flowers,
because you know, because everybody keeps moving the goalposts on him,
he just doesn't get that and he needs to. I mean,
are we gonna sit here with him holding up the
Larry O'Brian trophy and go, hey, he still thinks. I mean,
people are gonna still try to do it when that's
wrong because he's just a different kind of guy.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Normally he responds to the critics with a little bit
at the podium and then he goes out and has
some big games and is you know, Ryan Hollins has
been sitting with me on Sunday mornings, Fox Sports Sunday
six to nine Pacific. Tune in wherever you're at on
the iHeart radio app Shamble's plug, you know, talking about him.
(25:29):
Sometimes he then gets into a I'm going to do
it all and it gets them into quote a little
bit of trouble because it's hard to criticize what they've
done this year, right in terms of what he does
have a game, because you don't have a lot of
loss regular season or playoffs. You've kind of run rough
shot through everybody. So now you get into that nick
picking kind of thing. Now, I'm a Jalen Brown guy myself.
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So you've got two guys running in parallel.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
And look, even.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Jason Kidd before the series was doing everything he could
to try to get them to go at each other.
How do I how do I get a little bit
fight on the car?
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I got nothing. I know we're over overmatched in man.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
But Adam Silver, if I get two guys on the
same team to fight, do they still get technicals and
thrown out of the yellow cards and we free throws?
That happens, right, We don't have to have a guy
on our team fight. Okay, we've seen that soccer. He
just got a yellow card. No, it's just on his
own player.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
So it's it's that kind of thing, try to get
them against each other, and then it's just a which
side you go and and typically me being you know,
a five to seven uh ish uh little uh fire
plug of a guy, I'll usually go to the guard
as my chosen guy. And for Jalen Brown, uh, you've
seen him do some of that taking over and he
(26:45):
gave us one of the great quotes. Also, you know
between the Western or I'm sorry the Eastern Conference finals
into the finals, ask what he did with his time off?
He goes, well, a lot of other guys, you know, families,
they've got to get the kids around, and you know,
you got your time because you know, I don't have
the fan.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I don't do that. So I just watched all the
Harry Potter movies, so I just got it.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So, you know that kind of endeared him to me,
just kind of like, well, I didn't have a lot
of responsibility, So what did I do?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I watched watch the movies and kind of hung out.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, I gotta say five is the best movie
and four is probably the best book.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
I mean, that's the obvious follow up.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
It takes you an ask a band guy or I mean,
what are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But you know, for Jalen Brown, for Jason Tatum.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I mean they're gonna be linked at the hip and
and if you get the title, perhaps for a moment
everybody shuts up, if only.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
For a moment. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I think there's such an anti Tatum miss out there
that the Celtics win. The people, well it's the fluke.
Look at the easy run they had everybody no, no,
but you know how to do this. But you know
people are gonna do that just gard. That was set
up no matter how well played. But that's been the
last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's like we we look at the path and then
it becomes it, Well, they didn't have to play that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Didn't have to play that guy, So okay.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Like you're not gonna you don't have to play every
team in your you know, conference playoff bracket, and somewhere
some team's gonna get beaten that.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Unfortunately, they were.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Not at full strength right go back through you know
your Knicks and the early run they had, like people
are appreciated the moxie. Did they play everybody, get everybody's
best shot?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, there were injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
If the Knicks had somehow won one more game and
played the Celtics and the conference finals, they would have
got they would have got blown up because they look
they had.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
But I'm just saying even the Knicks run to that point, Yeah,
there were injury laden squads on the other side of
who they beat, and but you celebrated for what it
is right and and yes can we are If you're
gonna do the the BS rankings of where do they
stack up? Is the greatest Eastern Conference representative in the
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finals of all time, then yes, let's talk about injuries
and pats. But in the end, if you're holding up
a trophy, I don't give a damn for all the sway.
But they're also the knuckleheads, and God bless them. You know,
you show up in a suit and tie on a
TV show, people pay attention to the nonsense you spew.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's the way it works.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Carman. It's gonna be time to give Jason
Tatum as flowers, whether you want to or not. And
maybe it happens, maybe not, because this game has gone
a little closer right now. Time out on the floor,
Boston with the three point lead over the Mavericks ninety
three to ninety. It has been a twenty to two
(29:37):
run for the Mavericks, who are seeing the end of
the season staring them in the face, and they have responded.
Kyrine now with thirty one, easily his best game of
the Finals. Luca's got twenty seven even PJ. Washington, Now
start eat up a little bit. He's got a couple
of threes. We are in the final six minutes of
Game three of the NBA Finals. When we next speak,
(29:59):
are the Celtics about to go up three zip or
the Mavericks be getting back in this series? Yes, it
is crunch time. Keep it right here. Must listen Radio
Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (30:18):
Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend
Mike Harmon. And Oh my goodness, do we have the
biggest review of the NBA season so far happening right now?
Luka Doncic was just called for a blocking foul. Jalen
Brown had the ball, Luca gets called for a blocking
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foul and it's a legitimate call. He's moving and this
is a legitimate call. If this is not overturned, that
is six on Luca and he is out of the game.
They are reviewing it now. He's yet. He just yelled
change the call. Right, he got well, he yells change
(30:59):
the So now you know, hey, maybe someone's in a
phone in a conversation. Oh you know, that's six on Luca. Right.
You know, if this was five, you could just say
it was okay. But this is six on Luca. Man,
we need the NBA Finals to go more than four nights.
You take that foul away.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I need to see another replay. I need it. I
need it one more time.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
But look, no matter what said planted, no matter what
I'm extended, that's a stupid play by Luca. When you
have five fouls, you can't you can't get that close.
I know it's a it's a three point game and
you're upset that you just missed your last two shots
because Jason Tatum died you up and you missed twice
from down, from from in close. I know you're upset,
but that was still a stupid play. You can't get
(31:41):
that close and have that happen. You cannot.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Superstars don't get six files called with four minutes in
a game.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's it's just an insane you know better than that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's an insane thing to see that Luca with five
files is gonna put himself in that in that position
to foul out of the game. And the call has
been up held on the floor and Luca has fouled
out of the game. He is out of game three,
twenty seven, six and six. So the Mavericks well end six, yes,
twenty seven, six, six and six. So the Mavericks are
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gonna have to navigate this comeback without their best player.
That was just dumb, really, you know, I know, and listen,
this is Luca who can be an emotional player, and
I get it. But to take this back the last
couple times, you're talking about the Mavericks who have come
back from down twenty one, right that twenty to two run,
and they cut the lead to three twice in two
(32:35):
consecutive possessions down the floor, Luca had the ball one
on one with Jason Tatum, a chance to either tie
the game or cut it to one point, and both
times Jason Tatum did not allow him to get a
good shot off, and he missed down low, and then
he missed on a fade away from about ten feet away,
So I get that he's probably upset that twice he
went one on one with Tatum and Tatum found a
(32:57):
way to push him back, So maybe he's not thinking sure,
And now you want to stop a breakaway layup by
Jalen Brown to make it you know, so you're not
down five, But dude, there's still four minutes left in
the game. This is not the final ten seconds where hey,
if he gets it and gets the layup, the game
is over. I mean, you got to make a smarter
play than that. You can't decide I'm gonna get it
his way and draw a foul because that's what we're here.
(33:19):
You can't do that, man, that's all you'll play by.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Look, well, but it's a preponderance of evidence that lucas
trying really hard defensively, and that's how I have to
put it. He's trying really hard because look, his defense
has been mocked and shided for a long period of time.
Now you get a moving screen call against PJ. Washington,
(33:45):
which is suspected best. But I don't think you have
any challenges left, so it doesn't really quite matter. You
had brown on a putback and they bring the ball
back up and have the file. But for Luca, yeah,
he made a lot of gambles right defensively in terms
of reach ins. We we've talked about this throughout the
(34:06):
playoffs of you know, there's a lot of contact on
both ends of the court that he's looking for a
call that he doesn't get offensively and he comes right
back down. You've been coaching, you know, your your daughter's sports,
both soccer and softball. How often do you see the
the the women, the young ladies go and try to
get their retaliation and there they're put back immediately.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Luca does that all the time.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Right, I didn't get a call on this end, so
I'm going to go initiate contact and hope that I
just happened to be positioned now and that that one
he didn't get the benefit of the doubt for that
sixth file. That was too icy of a play, like
some margin too thine, with four minutes left in a
three point game, to put yourself in that position, I mean,
and look, I understand wanting to make a play, and
(34:52):
I understand the the aggressiveness of it. But that's a
play where you got to say, you know what, we
missed the balls in the open court. They're going to
go up five, right, there's four minutes left, and there's
a ton of ton the defensively, it actually slows Brown down.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
And really the referees had no choice. It was called
a foul on the floor.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
They had a choice.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well, they could have not called the fan. They should
have not called.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Well they had two guys gnutes.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
But you also had Donic and Tatum run into each other. No,
it was it was done and Brown like three minutes
earlier when they went spinning around and no foul was
called on either guy and whatever that way before Justin
Frost wanted to come in and say, hey, wait, of
course you don't have to call that foul, Justin.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Who's your favorite team again, Well it's not the Celtics.
The Laker fan says, you can't let the Celtics get
away with that. Well, this has nothing to do with that.
With five minutes to go, you got to let that go.
That filed out, you know what, because that's a great
play by Jalen Brown, drawing so much physicality that they
(35:58):
had to do it. That should become a Celtics home.
I'm not saying, look, I'm just going by what I've
been seeing here, not just because you saw Jalen Brown,
who made a great decision with the ball, saying, you
know what, if I forced this contact, we may get
that sixth on him because he makes it so the
referees had to blow the way only the fourth whistle, right,
(36:21):
they had to blow that. And this is a great
chance that I can take here to say, hey, let's
let let let's see if we can foul Luca Dogs
out of the game because he made the referees have
to blow the whistle. You can't just let that go.
Can't just dribble and dribble into somebody lose the ball,
say oh, we didn't see anything. He made them have
to do it. And there's nothing on the call that
tells you, oh yeah, yeah, you go back and look
at it. You have to take you have to rescind
(36:43):
that foul. There was nothing on there. The referee said, listen,
we have no choice to make. Your guy shouldn't have
gotten the way. You shouldn't have put himself in a
bad spot, which is exactly what he did. It was
your fault. He's out of the game. He's out of
the game. Was legit?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, we're in a tight spot. Only it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Again, But again, I appreciate Justin's response to this, and
it's not a full Laker thing. It's just superstar calls
in terms of falling a guy out.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
It's not even that. It's just five minutes to go
in the finals game. You gotta let that go. Uh No,
your whistle? No, dude, you had no choice but to
call it.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
What do you mean, No, you have no choice because
James Brown the layup and he dribbles right into Luca
and they fall on the ball. You no, you got
the refereesman may will not even have referece.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
But like I said, there was a there was a
play earlier where they might as well have been on
on the wires like they're Tom Cruise in Mission impossible,
flopping to the floor, ball goes rolling. Everybody's looking around
waiting for a whistle. Wait, no whistle? All right, play on.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Hey, this is a new NBA Finals where you call
your shot. Oh really, yeah, call your foul, call your
own foul. If you get it, you get it. If not,
it's Okay, that's how we move on. Uh where do
we sit right now? After all the drama, The Celtics
have the basketball forty seconds left in the game and
they own a one oh two ninety eight lead over
the the Mavericks. The Mavericks have stayed in it and
(38:02):
stayed close despite Luka Doncic fouling out of the game.
But now it's a four point lead for the Celtics
with forty two seconds left to go. Boy, when you
hear our voices next, is it the Celtics up three zip?
Is it the Mavericks back in it? We got a
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