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June 28, 2025 • 36 mins

Mike Harmon and Arnie Spanier (in for Jason Smith) open hour 4 with their overarching thoughts and reactions to the NBA draft! What did they think of this year's coverage? What are the early expectations for Cooper Flagg and other rookies? The guys also take a peek ahead to free agency.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
If you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, buddy, get those fours up. Yeah, Friday night into
Saturday morning. Wherever you are, however you're listening. We appreciate you,
We love you, thank you, We thankfully you're with us.
We know you've got a lot of options the back
of your eyelids, a bar, other sports and entertainment vehicles.

(00:49):
So thanks for giving Arnie and I a couple of
minutes of your time.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
I know what I wanna do for you. Yeah, what
we're gonna do for you, I'm tell you what it
wuna do for you. Since today's show has gone so
good so quickly, I mean, I was great today, you
had a good run. Yeah, I'm gonna give you and
Jason next Friday off and I'm gonna do this. That's
really nice.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
You're well, really fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Welcome. You're welcome. It's good. I'll do the show for
your next Friday, which I actually that's the fourth of July,
isn't it. Yeah, you know what, you deserve a day off,
take take the holiday dolliday.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
I think Ty Shirt and I are going to roast
some hot dogs and.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
There you go. Do you take the day off?

Speaker 5 (01:26):
A couple of racks.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
You're welcome. Everybody takes a day off. I'll come in
and you know what, and get some producer that you
say we have all over the place.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
I may pass the kavasi A. You never can tell. Yeah,
you know what's about a time I did have a
bottle of Kavasier in a desk.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
At at Yahoo. Just stop it.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Yeah, I know, because if you had to work late
on Friday, we were there. You know, you can sip
a little drake.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
There you go, there you go, finish.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Off the work week. I've been statute to limitations. It's
a long in the rear view mirrors. I've been here
with Fox and Fox Sports dot Com for a very
long time.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Maybe I'll have a listener to do the show with me.
Since you and Jason are going to be out. What
do you think about that?

Speaker 5 (02:06):
That'd be interesting. Yeah, I can't say. I've looked at
the schedule. Is that what it says? TBA.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
No, I haven't picked a co host yet. Maybe I'll
have Alex Tyscher do the show with me.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
Well, I mean he had a great week. I mean,
if you go back and listen to the podcast, as
you all should do wherever you download your audio download
and give it five stars, will love you forever and ever,
grab friends and family again. It's a global enterprise, as
we know, and we aggressive expansion on the highways and byeways.
I've met listeners when I'm traveling with my family in

(02:41):
the woods that did happen? I mean, crazy things happen
out there, and you know, we want to know more
of you. But this week, if you listen to the podcast,
you'll realize how brilliant Alex tischit really is. Yes, of course,
and he's been rope and dope in everybody for a while.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
And now I've bet the listeners up in Vancouver, CA.
You know rich what the Vegas and had a big
party with all the listeners out there. Yeah, did you,
by the way, did you go to one of the
producer's weddings, Ryan Berschinger, did you go to his wedding?

Speaker 5 (03:11):
I was at a soccer tournament, so no, I did not.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I was not invited. I was No.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
It killed me to miss it. Bursch Uh, the original
producer of the iWatch Flex podcast We Go Back a
Long way. I looked like a raucous time. I was
adding an out truck and everything.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
What get on in and out truck? I would have
loved I saw it in the photo montage.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Man, I had some good music attached to it. Was great, Arnie.
You would not have made the trip.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
I would not have made the trip.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Of course, you don't walk across the street to get
a sandwich.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
It did look pretty fun, though, Oh man.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Long time coming, and you know I know a lot
of planning. Bersh and I.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I'm coming at the end of the month, though, I
am doing that?

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Are you really?

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yes? I am gonna be into the July.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
Have we seen proof of this?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, I am. Actually it's a friend of mine's sixtieth
birthday party on Saturday night, the twenty sixth or something
like that. So I'm going to come in a couple
of days early.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Look at you.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I may not come into the studio because I don't
want to see Alex. I may do this show from
my hotel room. But that's wow.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
They gave you a com Rex.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Didn't they. Yeah, I'll buy my own. You ain't buying
your own. You buying I don't have a travel one.
I can't travel. I have to either do the show
from my house or I'll find the studio. I don't
have a travel A little thing with me.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Well, I mean, look, it's it's a nice investment. Man
of your means and aptitude.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, he'll just buy one from wherever. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
I could turn you onto a couple of sites. You're
not gonna You're not gonna be out too much money,
I can promise you.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Thank you, thank you for Ernie.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
You could probably just buy one and just throw it
away when you're done. On the way, app, I'll do
that disposable comrax.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Nicely done?

Speaker 5 (04:54):
All right? As we watched over the course of the week,
the story. We started the week with the NBA celebrating
the NBA Finals, lamenting the fact that Kevin Durant got traded.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
On Sunday morning, you know, you never really said what
you thought about the draft, though, did you like the
whole production? Did you enjoy it? Was it too much?
Stevie Day? I thought the second day was just horrible.
It was like in the dark. It was like ten
people were inside that point.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
But this is this is where I want. I'm not
one to throw you know, too many stones that at
folks in our media space. There's plenty of others that
declare themselves critics.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
That's not just being quick and honesty.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
And I'll be quick and honest with you. I'm in
the studio. I don't hear a damn word of brow.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I hear what you said, Okay.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
I so like all of this, like when folks complain
about what announcer sounds like, Like I go, I'm home
on a Sunday, right, I do my show on Sunday mornings,
part of the preview leading up to to all of
our coverage and our countdown show right where they're giving
you some betting angles and then we get into you know,
red Zone radio and all that fun stuff. I'm not

(05:59):
here to watch games, and I've now been conditioned to
having done this time slot for as long as I have.
I don't listen to announcers when I'm a whole right. No,
I've dot music or I've got something else, like, I've
just conditioned to watch the play develop and to have
my own interpretation of what I think I saw.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
I gave my criticism an hour one. I just said that,
and it's nothing ESPN could have done about it. But
the interviews with the family members, the parents, the siblings,
they're just cringe worthy. They really are. Mike, they one
word answers one kid. I don't know which kid. I
don't even care. I don't want to give the names.
But he was like, he's like, I can't even talk.

(06:40):
I gave him the words can't come out of my
mouth and he just couldn't utter a word nothing. He couldn't,
you know, talk to the interviewer. It was just it
just gets so cringe worthy when you're talking to the
parents and the siblings. It's it's pretty funny, but it's embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, we've all got different
angles and lenses from which we view these things, and
you know, part of me wants to give them the
benefit of the doubt of it's the human moment, no
matter how much you've been expecting it, and maybe you've
spent their first five million before they've even put the
hat on. Because, let's face it, one in the in
the draft after what picked ten, everybody was wearing a

(07:20):
different hat by the end of the night.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Can I just want to say word at different huts?
How about you know everybody had a nice suit on.
I like one guy to show up in like Levi
jeans and a flatnel shirt. You know what I mean,
Just like, well if you get the business, yeah, the
old Billy Joel model.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, I'm kind of a suit but I'm wearing my sneakers.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, like Google Bred Farm. I'm gonna throw Levi jeans,
T shirt, black and red flatnel shirt and this is
who I am. This is the way I want to dress.
I would love that.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
But all of it to say, right with the family members,
it's not what they signed up for, right, Like I
I could have when my kids were younger. And look,
they they've got a lot of my snark, their pop
culture love whatever. But I didn't shove them in front
of a camera to try to make content with them
like many others in our business.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Dude, like Smith's daughter lately, I'm just well, you.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Said it, not me. But like they didn't sign up
for it, right, My ex wife didn't sign up for
this part of the business. Hey, you know what, now
you're a character. No, that's not it. Likewise, these folks
they may have been following and driving a lot of
their kids stuff since they were ten years old, eight
years old, whatever.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
And overwhelming to at the point.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
That's the thing though, No matter how much you've quote
prepared for it, it's like doing radio shows. Right, We've
done this a million times. Sometimes they're very easy to
get into and in and out of conversations and flow.
Sometimes you've got to cover a story that's just you.
You're choosing your words carefully right and trying to make sure.
I mean, look, someone's always going to be offended, right,

(08:55):
we're talking about just the coverage of an NBHA draft.
You probably have some and pissed at you because you
said my mom or dad standing.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
I'm just talking about the production though, And the next
day I felt like it was like in the dark
Day two of the draft. Look at the data with the.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Draft is like day three of the NFL Draft. No,
not even close, No, no, no, But I'm saying in terms
of who's paying attention, but.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Nobody nothing's ever going to live up to the NFL Draft.
It's a whole different level, right, No, you're it's on
a whole different level than the other sports. It's not
even closed, so there's.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
No there's no question about it. I'm just saying, like,
once we get past for day one, right, the pomp
and circumstance, Day two for the NFL, okay cool? By
day three, it's like, how fast can we get through it?
And I love the NFL and I love college football.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
And there used to be a big draft, the NBA
used to be a big time draft. People used to
pay attention to. The NBA used to be six rounds.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
I believe, well, but we also once upon a time,
and this is where you and I show our wizdo
the notice I didn't say our age. We show our
wisdom by the fact that it was a different world
completely in the sporting landscape, right, college basketball. We watched
these guys and they didn't transfer, right, you had to

(10:14):
sit out the punitive effects. You watch these same teams
battle thirty plus times a year, right, right, and you
stay right, But we knew who these guys were. Yes, Like,
if you cared about college basketball at all, you knew
who these guys were, down to pick thirty five, pick
forty in the draft. Yeah, there would be the random

(10:35):
outlier of a guy that you know, they projected, they know.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Him in the third round and the fourth round when
it was now you're dating your SyES. I know that,
but there was still But I mean, really, that's why
there was six rounds back then, because there was a
lot of talent. People would recognize those names.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
You were teams, but you recognize those names. Like yesterday,
Smith and I were joking. Most of the names that
you really knew out of college basketball. Where the guys
signing the two way deals your Caleb loves.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, you know, you're one hundred percent right on that.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
Right, here's all the guys that we watched Nemhard's brother, yep,
all of those Like we suddenly saw a slew of
names of guys that we knew from college basketball once
upon a time. And I can go back going through
the draft pick trading cards in ninety two, ninety three,
ninety three, ninety four.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
We knew who all those guys were. Right, you go
through hall of famers, they're all Hall of Fame, but
a lot.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Of them, like you knew who was in the draft
lottery all the way through a year after year, all right,
who was picked four? And it was like we were
doing the Steve Hartman thing. Shout out to our buddy
Steve Hartman, the walking Encyclopedia Sports. Well, it's upon a.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Time that was the thing.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
But you knew who they were, their rotations, how many
points they scored, all of those things because you watched them.
Now you get the one and done first round you
only had.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, but we didn't watch them as much as we
watched teams. Now, we didn't have as many channels. It
wasn't as easibly accessible to watch all those games like
it is now. It's a completely different era now.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
No, but the guys from teams that were hallmarks, right,
we've still gotten them, is I guess the point? And
during the telecast they made sure to apprise you of
any college player that mattered, and then we'd see them
in the tournament, so you'd get a grand stage ceremony
for at least a year or two years, kind of

(12:25):
like we've had with the Yukon players these last couple
of years. We got to know those those players, right,
because they they had a lot of run and a
lot of.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Camera time, not just their coach.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Right, But back then it was the same thing coming
out if you were a two year, three year starter
at Georgetown or or go to Syracuse or.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Down the line St. John's. Back in the day, the
Big East.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
Got a lot of run, right. I was a Big
ten guys, so a lot of the Big ten guys.
But you know, certainly it's changed in that regard. While
we have more access, it's diluted. So it's not the Hey,
this is the must watch, like even Big Monday doesn't
have the same juice it did fifteen years ago, because
now you can buy a package and access any game

(13:13):
you want anytime, right, So it's not, Hey, you know what,
We're gonna feed you the best of the best, and
you're gonna love it.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
For the first time in a long time. I want
to see Dallas Maverick games. I want to see what
Cooper Flagg is gonna do. I told you I'm expecting
I guess a lot more.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Well, and that's when we'll put a pin in it
right there, because we can take a long lens approach
to what the Dallas Mavericks are because you know, Smith
and I we don't agree on a lot of stuff,
but we agreed when that trade initially went down. When
Luka Doncics was sent to the Lakers, I was really
curious to see what that version of the Mavericks was

(13:52):
going to be. Now, Kyrie Irving gets hurt, Anthony Davis
missed a significant time surprise surprise on both of them.
I know it's always wishing, wanting and hoping. Going back
to our friends with the f one the movie, a
line that we've used a lot on the show through
the years. Hope is not a strategy that shows up

(14:12):
in the movie. So the writer's room, I want you
to just nod and wave in my general direction. But
you know, for the Mavericks, you had a core that
at least gave you a little bit of a passing fancy.
We'll see if that translates for twenty eight, twenty five,
twenty six, Arnie already deification of Cooper Flag has begun.

(14:35):
He might build a statue just like the Giants are
gonna do for Barry Bonds. We'll do that and we'll
do Cooper Flag as we continue. Is that cool?

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (14:45):
At Stick and Genius one where you find Arnie find
Me over at Swallowdome. Find Jason on the streets of Hollywood,
perhaps finding himself a late night hot dog. I don't know.
We'll talk about it as we continue. Happy Friday Night.
Thanks for hanging out with us here on Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Rad Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason
Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,
seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
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Speaker 5 (15:20):
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(15:40):
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(16:05):
coming out from the movie as well Arnie. As we
look forward and including Caleb Williams nice who decided he
was tweeting about it a little bit earlier. Top three
for me ever bucket list to learn how to drive
an F one car.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Oh, really is that good thing?

Speaker 5 (16:22):
Man?

Speaker 4 (16:23):
It was a lot of fun when I did the
two seat you sit right behind the driver. And the
guy that drove me was actually in the Indy five hundred.
He just was like a fifteenth place finisher, how about
that or something like that. It is, and I don't
know the speed if he could have gone to ten,

(16:43):
he held it back to like one eighty. But he
really wasn't supposed to go more than one seventy, but
he did with me because the whole radio thing. But
it's incredible, Mike. I mean they you're turning one way
and the cars turning the other. I mean, you lose
all your on where you're going. It's it's intense, more

(17:03):
intense than I ever thought I.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Would say this. You know, obviously I've not experienced that.
At one point, my my ex wife did the Richard
Petty experience. We were in Vegas. Oh, she had a
blast going around the track. You did that a couple
of times, uh, and had fun with that I I
have it on my list of things I would love
to check out, no question about it. And and certainly

(17:27):
the movie there there's plenty of moments where you're leaning forward,
you're getting into the fields, You're waiting for that that
big hit, and you know, we I'm blessed, you know
the Sunday morning show I do here on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Sunday Buyer and I now and uh, you know,
we get the F one races or in our window.
So every once in a while, you know, my eyes

(17:49):
are glazing over. He's like you all right over there,
I'm like, does this guy just narrowly avoided? Does that?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
You know?

Speaker 5 (17:55):
And you start getting into it as you're watching it,
having the same thing.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Man, I could barely just sit there and let the
guy drive without getting sick, you know what I mean.
I can only imagine trying to drive this thing. It's
it was intense. It was a lot of fun. I'm
glad I got to do it though.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Way there you see Arnie Spaniard. I'm sure there's some
video just like you see.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I got pictures. I did take pictures, Yeah, of course
you did.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
I've been joking that I was gonna take a wear
a fire suit. I do not own one currently, but
I'm looking for it because eventually, I mean, we're gonna
be loading up all sorts of extra sponsors here. So
I'm gonna have patches, you know, like Rob Barker has
the Fox Sports Radio patches. Yeah, exactly, I'm gonna have
the sponsors all over me. I walk billboard with my
wide ass back. Let's go the road to swol All right,

(18:42):
now we're talking the NBA draft. We had Cooper Flag
was the next jumping off point. Right Sunday we get
the NBA Finals, Game seven, we finish it off. Oksee wins.
Kevin Durant traded that morning, folks, lamentation and hand ringing
all false goods. We like news, we like stories. You

(19:03):
didn't like it Sunday morning. You know, get over yourself,
moving on. You're not an Adam silver If in his
honest moment, as much as like, oh, he'd hate this,
He's sitting there going they're talking about us. They're actually
saying something positive about the league in one of our
big stars moving he was happy as hell, don't get
it wrong. But then we get Cooper Flag, Like I said,

(19:25):
you had, to bet one hundred thousand dollars to really
win much of anything in all of this because the
prohibitive favorite to it all and now it's a done deal.
He goes to Dallas meeting with the media. He said
everything he's needed to to just lay it out of. Hey,

(19:47):
I'm one of a pretty pretty loaded team. Good opportunity here.
Nico Harrison, at least for the moment, gets to feel
some ATA boys, even though it was the obvious pick,
goes well, fractured relationship and certainly the butt of many
a joke since trading Luka Doncic, even though they did
get Anthony Davis in return, and as I alluded to

(20:10):
in the tease ahead for this story, I was curious
to see what that team could have done had they
stayed healthy. Now clearly everything went to hell. Kyrie gets hurt,
Davis misses time, Klay Thompson's there, but not the same
Lively missus time, Washington Gaffer like everybody's missing some time.
You don't get a lot of continuity together, and then

(20:31):
you limp to the end, but you bring that all
back and now you have Cooper flag instarted therein So
I'm curious, I mean it's a loaded West, so it's
a lot of running up to do.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
But you asked the question, right, But the question is
would you rather have Cooper flag or SGA? Would you
rather have Cooper flag or Giannis? Would you rather have
Cooper flag or Jigob Brunson? I mean, how how do
you think of this guy with him or Anthony Edwards?
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (21:03):
I'll take sight unseen, I'll take I'll take what Cooper
flag may.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Be overall Edwards for sure, over s G. A. Yes,
I would probably do it too.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
Yeah, probably, even though he is the defending m v
P and I'm sure there's some folks shaking their heads.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
I would take Cooper flag over one Bayama.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Look at you see there there there.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Yeah, but that's that's my point. He's supposed to be
the first billion dollar player talking about Cooper flag.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
That's an accident of birth. Okay, but that quoted Jethro Right,
you tell me that I'm my father's son when that
was just an accident of birth.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Okay, Well, that's you're you're you're right about the birth thing.
That's he's gonna be benefiting from right in the right place.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
But again, he's supposed to be the face of the NBA. Sure,
he's supposed to be the Magic Johnson and Larry Bird
coming in and nineteen seventy nine. He's the guy that
everybody's going to want to be watching. He's going to
be pulling ratings up, like Caitlin Clark pulls ratings up
for the WNBA. That's what this kid's going out.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Now. I think you're I think that's a stretch.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
No, why is it? Are you kidding? That's a stretch.
That's a stretch. I mean, look at the ratings this year.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
And from what the WNBA was to games, including Caitlin Clark,
because it's only Kitlan Clark.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It ain't the rest of the league, right, No, you're
right about that. But the NBA's ratings were not that
good this year, even when they were passing out that
phony Look what they did in Game seven, it was
still down fourteen percent, I believe in the playoffs from
last year.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
So don't why why do you say the Game seven
was phony?

Speaker 4 (22:46):
No, the ratings were. They were pumping it up about
how many people watching compared to the last Game seven.
Ratings in the NBA have not been good, no matter
what some people try to tell you and Cooper Flag, Wait,
do you see the ratings for the Dallas Mavericks. Wait
to see the ratings when they start putting the MAVs
games on TV so people can see Cooper Flag.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
I hope you're right. I don't know that. Even a
couple of years ago, when when Minyama was coming in
and everybody was wondering what he was all about. It
didn't translate to Gonzo ratings.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
No, but he thought it was polarizing as Cooper Flag is.
Cooper Flag is.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
More polar polarizing. Well, I mean, look at everybody loves
him and wants to wants to see greatness.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
He knew he was going to be the number one
peck years ago. Yeah, and he did play for Duke,
so that's more of a high profile team.

Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, but nobody cares. Nobody hates them the same way
they did, unless you're at North Carolina when they start
pointing out that you've won nothing and you've had nobody drafted,
and your last All Star that was drafted was Vince Carter.
How about that Carolina guy?

Speaker 4 (23:58):
You know how like Michael Jorge And it was so
much better in the NBA than college there's like, remember
the old joke there's only one person that can stop
Michael Jordan, that'steen Smith.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
Still true.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
Well, I think Cooper Flag is going to be so
much better in the NBA, you know, so much my
wide open the defense not nearly like it was in
college when you're getting double teamed or going up against
certain defenses, zone defenses. So I think it's going to
be a lot easier for him to get points in
the NBA than it was in college.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
Well, I think it's a question of night to night
what he's called upon to do, though, right is, as
I laid out, you got a lot of talented guys,
and he's a distributor as much as anything like. That's
one of his his hallmarks here is that he's look,
can he fill it up? Sure, there's gonna be Knights
where he's a thirty point scorer. I think you're gonna
see other Knights where he's not Jason Kidd of ten

(24:47):
ten ten, Right we're at you know, eighteen eight and
eight or things of that nature. Because Anthony Davis has
the hot hand, or he's doing the lob game to
the other big men.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
You you don't find them as polarizing as Kate and Clark
down is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Well, I don't think there's an animus towards him, like
the Clark thing became a fight within the w n B.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
A true Cooper Flag.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
Look, the NBA is a is a lot. I think, Hey,
whatever's going to help lift everything. I think everybody's on board.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Right, you're right about especially.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
When the commissioners showing up on TV shows and wagging
his finger at partners for how they cover the league.
And I think anything that's going to help, Uh, you're
gonna get the push. But like, I don't think there's
hate watching of him. No, you're right, of any stretch.
Like with Kate Leclark, there there was there was a
bit of back and forth one because she was being

(25:46):
declared the great before.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Just like Cooper Flag is though, just like Cooper Flag
is well.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
But he was he's being declared the great for this
draft like he was the de factor.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
No no, no, no, no no no, no, he's being there.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Maybe I've been, you know, while doing twenty some odd
hours of radio a week. Maybe maybe I've been in
a bubble that I haven't heard the deification of him
the way.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
I'll take it is that Cooper Flag is going to
be the next superstar of the NBA, the next the
next Uh, does he deserve to be in the top
twenty five players and that type of talk, you know.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
And that's fine, But that's much different than what Caitlyn
Clark is. Caitlin Clark's being seen as a savior. That's
not where Cooper Flag's coming into the league. No, but
he's coming in as another great player who could ascend
to be a multi all NBA.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
Right, But ratings will still, ratings will still go up
with him. There's no doubt it'll be. It'll be night
and day. You'll you'll see when he starts playing it.
You'll see from the first Summer League game how many
people are going to tune in to see that game.
Though there's not much against it, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Well, that's the other part, right, when we're comparing to nothing,
to your point about the the end of.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
The NBA Finals raiders, right, Cooper Flag better than nothing,
So t not in now.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
With the point being that you brought up Game seven
and you're saying, well, fugazy ratings and numbers there, Well,
I would believe that a bunch of people actually showed
up for a Game seven. It's winner take all, roll
the ball out to the middle of the court, and
let's go. By the NCAA tournament. You don't need to
know the teams, the principles, whatever. When it's one and done,
you're gonna get a decent critical mass that assembles. Likewise

(27:32):
for the for the NBA, it's a game seven, you're
gonna get some numbers. Game one through six in Oklahoma City.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, they were bad.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
If you love basketball, you're in. If not, you catch up,
and then you have to decide how much you love
fun with numbers. With Adam Silver as he does his
Richard gear Chicago, look what I'm doing near people, I'm
culturing everybody. I'm wearing a glitter suit and telling you
give him the old razzle dazzle about our international numbers,
about our TikTok and YouTube views and whatever else.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Plike used to get mad at me when I would
make fun of Oklahoma City, and you know I still
will that that's so offensive. They're the NBA champs and
and all that stuff. Too small well, too small markets
destroyed the interest in this NBA championship. That's just the
way it's got to be. The ratings were down game seven,

(28:28):
they weren't as good as they were trying to make
it out to be.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
But it doesn't. It doesn't mean that the basketball players
in the basketball play was any worse. No, I'm not
taking run concurrently.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
No, you're right, I'm not saying it was any worse.
I'm just saying interest level wasn't theirs as if it
was obviously the Knicks or the Lakers or Boston or
any of those are the you know, any of those teams.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Well, but that's just it, right, we go to the
coast and again it's not denigrating any of the players.
And if you take offense that you know, for the city,
the state, I mean, I appreciate the civic but I
mean the reality is the reality, and the numbers bear
it out going back decades like that's this isn't new.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Well, next year is not going to be a very
fun year for the for the NBA because the Eastern
Conference has already been decided. Now that Hallo Burton had
the Achilles and he's out for the year, that takes
care of Indiana and Boston and Tatum being out, that
takes care of Boston and only these one team left
for the Eastern Conference, and that's my New York Nicks.

(29:31):
So even without a coach, so we might as well
put them in the NBA Championship right off the bat.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Look at you tell me Cleveland still has better odds
in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, good luck to them if you believe in that
is Lebron going back to Cleveland. Did I miss Oh?

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Wait, I missed. There was an important thing in a
detail for the Knicks that we were supposed to ask about,
who's your coach?

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah? That goes to show you coaching is over rated.
When you could still be one of the favorites to
win the Eastern Conference without a coach, you couldn't be
one of the favorites to win to go to the
super Bowl without a coach. But in basketball you're like, eh,
they don't need one. Arnie SPAN's the coach. That's five.
We're making him the second favorite to go to the
NBA Championship. It doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 5 (30:17):
I think Steve de Sager wants to tag me on
this particular topic.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Hi, Steve, Well, he knows I'm right about it, so
come on. That's why they're the second favorite, and they
have no coach on holds crazy.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
The Cowboys were still favored for the Super Bowl when
they had Barry Switzer.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
That was the same as no coach.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Wow, man, who did you pick it up? Barry Switzer?

Speaker 5 (30:40):
Look at that?

Speaker 6 (30:41):
By the way, I did look up somehow. The best
Summer League TV rated game all time was Zion Williamson's
debut twenty nineteen, and number two was a couple of
years ago, Victor women Yama's summer debut at one point
four million Zion about one point six minutes.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
That's better than regular season games, aren't they something?

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah? Well, look, I'm not saying folks aren't going to
come watch here, Arnie. Wait, like ibout your.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Cooper Flag is first, Gab will be higher than those.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
Two, Higher than Zion, Stevey isio chance, no Caauzion was
getting phenomenal ratings at Duke, better than Cooper Flag was
getting at Duke.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
What day of it? What day did you say? The
Cooper Flag game is.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
On July tenth, So that's Thursday?

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Yeah, okay, that's where you go. You might have been Friday.
You can watch there you go.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
All right, let's leave it with Steve let's get an
update on a day that it was replete with action
across our sporting universe, and.

Speaker 6 (31:36):
We'll get to the baseball at the moment while we're
talking hoops. The Utah Jazz say first rounder Ace Bailey
will report on Saturday, with a news conference on Sunday
and practice on Monday. The team's rookies will then fly
to Summer League from Salt Lake City. Messiouh Cherry is
out as president of the Raptors after thirteen years there.
Toronto gave general manager Bobby Webster an extension. The Raptors,

(31:57):
who won the title in twenty nineteen, have missed the
playoffs for three straight years and if not won a
postseason series in five years. Minnesota's Nas Reed will reportedly
resign four years a resigned plus a plus a player option,
so technically five year deal being reported tonight. Seventy six
Yer center Andre Drummond reportedly picked up his player option

(32:17):
for next season. Five WNBA games, including an Indiana win
at Dallas ninety four eighty six, Kelsey Mitchell thirty two
points as Caitlin Clark was out again with a groin injury.
Page Beckers of Dallas did have twenty seven points, six assists,
no turnovers, but her team was down twenty after the
first quarter. Minnesota's record now thirteen and two after an
overtime win at Atlanta. Home wins for Phoenix, Golden State,

(32:40):
and Seattle, which beat Connecticut ninety seven eighty one Connecticut
son two and fourteen. The Florida Panthers playoff MVP Sam
Bennett signed an eight year extension. The NHL and its
players union agreed to an extension of the collective bargaining
agreement through twenty thirty. The NHL draft started tonight. The
Islanders took defenseman Matthew Schaeffer, number one over a reminder.

(33:01):
US Men's soccer plays its Gold Cup quarterfinal on Sunday
against Costa Rica in Minnesota on Fox TV. Mexico plays
Saturday nights on FS one. The FIFA Club World Cup
Quarterfinals starts Saturday. Miami plays Sunday against Paris Saint Germaint
in Atlanta. To Major League Baseball Washington a fifteen to
nine winner at the Angels. Angels manager Ron Washington, age

(33:23):
seventy three, will remain on medical leave for the rest
of the season. Miami won its fifth straight game nine
to eight at Arizona's. The Diamondbacks grounded into a double
play to end the game. Milwaukee ten six over Colorado,
whose record is now eighteen and sixty four. Houston won
its fifth straight game, up seven to nothing on the
Cubs in the fourth innings seven to for the final,

(33:43):
but Jeremy Paine You left with ribs sorenis after being
hit by a pitch. Houston's won nine straight at home
Seattle in twelve innings, won at Texas seven to six.
The Rangers with runners in scoring position went three for twenty.
Cal Rawlea Mariners will be in the Home Run Derby
next month along with Ronald Acunya of the Brave. Defending
Derby champ Tasker Hernandez and the Dodgers will not be

(34:04):
in it. The Dodgers have won five in a row.
They held on at Kansas City five to four. The
Royals have dropped six straight. In fact, the Royals had
bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth, but granted
himTo a double play.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
To end it.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Shoho Toni with a leadoff homer his twenty ninth. He
had an RBI triple as well. The rest of the
LA team was two for twenty nine at the plate
and still won the game. On the road wins for
San Francisco, Minnesota and Saint Louis, which got a one
hitter from Sonny Gray and won five nothing at Cleveland.
Gray with eleven strikeouts only eighty nine pitches for his

(34:35):
complete game. He's eight and two. Cincinnati got a win
from Nick Martinez, a former Padre, beating San Diego eight
to one. Martinez had a no hitter until no outs
in the ninth. Spencer Strider of the Reds hit three homers.
Toronto shut out Boston nine nothing. Red Sox have lost
six straight. Yankee shut out the A's three to nothing.
Baltimore twenty two to eight over Tampa Bay. Philadelphia won

(34:57):
thirteen nothing at Atlanta was eleven zip in the third
after a long rain delay. Early Pittsburgh beat up the
Mets nine to one, the loss to David Peterson. Mitch
Keller got the win. He had been one and ten
the Mets first in the NL East to start the
night a half game over the Pills, but has mentioned
the Mets lost and the Phillies won.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Back to you, Thanks so much, Steve, always appreciate you
having a wonderful weekend. You'll have to go through another
several hours with Arnie on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
Sunday nights no Chris, but and I'm gonna make you
work the fourth of July. I think, Steve, I'm gonna
have to think about it.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Actually, isn't Aaron Torres working with you Sunday night and
July fourth?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
I haven't decided yet.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Sure, yeah, all right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Arnie's under the constant impression that he carries weight around here.
Well it helps people don't know his name in the
hallways or something.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Gotta a big deal.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I have a big deal. Just ask me.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
There you go. Yeah, I've heard you sing.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Hey.

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