Full Show Podcast: 10 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Andrew Dickens on
the My Asking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, Doing real
estate differently since nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks d B and.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Sachs tex Smarts film. Good morning, Welcome to the program.
It is the tenth of July. My name is Andrew Dickens,
handled nine and for my news on holiday. Who's back
on Monday today? When will the fight against inflation at
the age of high interest rates be over? Nick Touffley

(00:34):
and Andrew Kelleher on today's ocr our Smart Roads user
charges the answer for funding our woefully underfunded road system.
Will investigate with the New Zealand Initiative and sale GP
is back in Auckland. But can all be ready in time?
We're going to talk to Auckham Unlimited passed the course
the politicians after right, Matt Mitchell and Carneal Zeppeloni, it's
all to come here on News Talks heed B zed B. Hey,

(00:57):
so now we know what happened and what was bent
on Orcan's light rail that never happened. Apparently two hundred
and twenty nine million dollars over six years. Now, that
is a lot of money for not one meter of track,
which is a very catchy line. Politicians use it all
the time. But of course that two hundred and twenty

(01:19):
nine million did buy something. There is a whole heap
of IP and property that it bought. The biggest spend
was sixty four million on plans and geotech. Now that
stuff is still sitting on computers. That stuff is still relevant.
It needs to be saved because you never know, light
rail might still happen. So is that wasted? I would say,

(01:41):
with light rail being so common right around the world,
it's inconceivable that it won't finally come here one day.
So eventually that money will not have been wasted. Maybe
what really killed light rail was labor. They mucked about,
They stuck it underground. They let politicians get into the
design of it, who of course know nothing about how

(02:01):
to design light rail. They let the costs balloon. They
did nothing. Hey, but now we hear that there may
be trials of a trackless tram in Auckland before the
end of the year. It's been developed by China Rail.
It operates in Shanghai and Mexico. Perth has done a
trial and now at says they're interested. So it's basically
very long articulated buses running on roads, running on tires.

(02:24):
They can go up hills like the Harbor Bridge. And
here's the thing. You don't have to lay tracks. You
just bang some magnetic nails into the road and the
trackless tram will follow it. Marvelous and cheap. So it
sounds promising, But if the history of debate on public
transport is anything to go by, some grinches are going
to come out and go nay, say the whole idea.
Now my take on that is, if you're going to

(02:45):
proclaim on public transport, maybe you should be taking it.
My social media editor at gold In mus twenty two
she's paid nothing. She has no car, and if she
did no money to pay for the parking, she is
forced onto public transport. She hates the public transport, but
she has to use it. She lives seven kilometer from town,
she has to take two buses. She begs for a
bus lane so the whole thing speeds up. Fifty percent

(03:06):
of workers in the Auckland CBD are like that. They
take public transport. They want it to be better, and
if it is better, they get off the road. And
then you and I who like to drive a car.
We'll have more room.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
All right, there's been a day of speeches in the
United Kingdom Parliament, and first you had the Speaker of
the infamous, Sir Lindsay Hoyle. He's back with gavel and hands.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I am aware that it is the greatest honor it
can give any of its members. I'm proposed to do
all within my power to preserve and cherish its best traditions.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Now Soakia the Prime Minister Stammer is his name, made
his maiden speech in the House.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
We have the opportunity and the responsibility to put an
end to a politics that has too often seen self
serving and self obsessed, and to replace that politics of
performance with the politics of service.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Meanwhile, poor old Rishie can't stop apologizing.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
For those of us in my party. Let me begin
with a message to those who are no longer sitting
behind me.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I am sorry.

Speaker 6 (04:15):
We have lost too many diligent, community spirited representatives whose
wisdom and expertise will be missed in the debates and
discussions ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
No, dear, never mind. Meanwhile, Nigel Farage is still celebrating
and still throwing shots.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
The labor majority is massive, so challenging on legislation is
going to be foremost fruitless. But providing a voice of
opposition and questioning what a government with a huge majority
is doing we can do.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
He's going to be great opposition.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
One of the biggest health issues that plagued the Tories
was the junior doctors. They seem to strike every second day,
but they won't be getting good news from the labor government.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
We were very clear that the headline thirty five percent
play demand is not one that we could afford, and
that has not changed since the general election.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
And meanwhile, out of the UK and to the United States,
another promise from Biden that he will be running and
more Democrats have his back.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
I'd certainly support President Biden, but I think we would
be less endangered of a TRUP presidency if we had
a different candidate.

Speaker 9 (05:16):
What did you agree in the meeting.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
We'll stay with Papa.

Speaker 10 (05:19):
He's made a firm commitment that he's going to run again,
and I think most members feel if he this is
his choice.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Right, Yeah, he's going to run again right after a nap. Finally,
Copenhagen has a plan to bring in more environmentally friendly tourists.
They have designed a new trial program which begins in
five days. It's called the Coden Pay scheme, and what
it does is reward tourists who do environmentally friendly activities
with rewards. What are the rewards, Well, if you write

(05:48):
on public transport or pick up litter or volunteer at
an urban farm, you can get some free food and
some cultural experiences. And tourists, mind you, the free food
is always Veerian and the cultural experiences are recycling museums,
recycling museums or heating plants. Meanwhile, also the system is

(06:09):
based on truss, so you just have to tell someone
that you've done these things. Yeah right, yeah, I did
a lot of lit up picking up today. Where's that
vegging food? It's thirteen after six, it is ocier day today.
The rate has not moved for a year. Now, that's
twelve months. I know that never has been saying six
times in a row, it's a year. It hasn't moved

(06:30):
at five point five. So we're all desperately waiting to
see those rates turn a corner. And whenever they do,
the headlines they say homeowners nervously looking at it. Hallo,
what about businesses. Hey, businesses are doing it tough. Everyone
bangs on about the homeowners, but the businesses, they are
the heart of our economy. So we're going to talk
about when will we turn the corner with two people.
Nick Toughly from the ASB is here after seven, and

(06:52):
Andrew Killer.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Is next the Mike hosting breakfast a.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
New talkshire B. It is now six seventeen. Let's go
to Jami Andrew Keller had good morning.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
To you morning, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Did you get up early? Did you watch the tennis?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
No?

Speaker 11 (07:05):
Yes, no, no, no, no, no no, got I get
up early enough?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Andrew, exactly right, not as early as you. Yes, I know,
but money never sleeps. And Hey, before we get into
the OCI and what you might expect from the RB today,
let's talk about Australian business confidence and consumer confidence. How
are our neighbors?

Speaker 11 (07:21):
Yes, one of the big macro themes that I sort
of keept talking about at the moment is that we're
seeing quite divergent economic outcomes, Andrew in different places, because
it's sort of coming after the COVID nineteen period where
we tended to paint a lot of the world with
the same brush. You know, we had COVID disruptions, you
had similar physical and monetary policy responses. Then you got inflation,
then you got central banks hiking up rates, and that

(07:42):
was sort of being the playbook. But now we're starting
to see differences, and we tend to look quite closely
at how we differ from our trans Tasman colleagues. And
a couple of numbers released yesterday that in one outcome
will like us and another outcome not so. Consumer pessimism
across the TASM sank a little lower, and I think
we can relate to that because consumer confidence very much
in the doldoms here. But a business confidence survey result

(08:06):
rose to its highest level since early twenty twenty three,
and in that respect it's clearly diverging from business sentiment here.
So that was only be Business confidence jumps six points
to plus four in June, and I think we can
relate more to the outcome on business conditions slightly different
from confidence. It filled two points and has been declining
since twenty twenty two. That measure, though across the Tasman

(08:28):
still well well above the GFC levels, although we are
flirting with those GFC levels. Consumer confidence number that was
a Westpac survey dropped one point one percent from June
to eighty two point seven in July. One aspect is
very consistent between Australian here though, that Australian interest rates
and inflation are definitely weighing on the consumer.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
All right, okay, so just get into the rb What
do you reckon?

Speaker 11 (08:55):
Yeah, so it's harbian z D which to give us
a little more clarity, Andrew, it's an official cash rate reviewed,
so that differs from a monetary policy statement day when
the OCR gets reviewed as well. But the rb NZ
also releases quite a lengthy statement which I should also
add as always a very useful read. So look, we
don't get a detailed explanation. And at the last monetary

(09:15):
policy review their company statement was well, to say the least,
it was brief, it was very concise, and it's entirely
possible we get a similar sized missive at this juncture. Now,
the universal consensus is that the OCO will stay at five.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
And a half.

Speaker 11 (09:30):
Look, there is the opportunity for the bank to discuss
what they are concerned about right now, in particular the
sort of tricky and sticky, non tradable inflation. Our view
is that they're not in a position yet to deliver
an unapologetically duvish statement, because if they did, the market
would take that and drive down wholesale rates, which would
push down retail rates, which is not what the RB

(09:52):
wants my view, they still need to see the second
quarter CPI number and the third quarter CPI number as well.
They need to see those figures to be convinced that
inflation is moderating in line with their forecast expectation. You
don't get the second quarter CPI until next week, and
you don't get the third quarter CPI until October. Look,

(10:12):
there's absolutely no doubt come to the recent data we've
seen would support a dubvish tilt, but that data has
had a fair chunk of survey and commentary. I think
the Arbian said, we'll want to see cold hard facts
financial markets. Look, we're still expecting a far earlier move
in the OCI, and the bank is currently forecasting. But

(10:32):
if you look at the size of that time gap,
you know, sort of November this year versus August next
year for them, I think you need a reasonable quantum
of data for that time gap to be materially narrowed
so there's no change or in statement, it's.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Been a very long two and a half year battle
against inituation. What are the numbers like?

Speaker 11 (10:52):
Dal Jones is down twenty one points thirty nine three
hundred and twenty four, the S and P five hundred
is up five points five five seven seven. The Nastik
at the moment up twenty two points eighteen thousand to
four hundred and twenty five. Now the four to one
hundred lost fifty four overnight, so two thirds of percent
eight one and three nine. I'd also add that French
markets were quite weak overnight as well. Now the Nike

(11:14):
up eight hundred yesterday good day there four one five
eight oh. The Shanghai composite also at one hundred quarter
percent two nine five nine. The as tex As X
two hundred they gained point eight six fe percent Yestay
seven eight two nine. The INNS X fifty also up
aer point eight to six percent. Eleven thousand, eight hundred
and forty eight Kiwi dollar against the US point six

(11:36):
one two three point nine five against the Ossie point
five five six four Euro point four seven nine zero
pounds ninety eight point seven sixty En gold is two thousand,
three hundred and sixty tred dollars and a bit of
relief on Brent Crude eighty four dollars are ninety four.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Cents Andrew killerhe from jam I Wealth excellent as always,
Thank you so much mate. It is now six twenty one.
Gladiator is back the film, but not with Russell Crowe
because how do I put this gently? You can't fit
the armor anymore. But the new Gladiator is out, So
what is about team more in a moment, this has
got newstalks ZB.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Hey, so this is news talksb six twenty five. There's
a report out from the New Zealand Initiative which proposes
a new smart road user charges system to replace the
current fuel excise duty. Yes, we all get rucks. Five
year implementation plan. The report says every passing year widens
the gap between revenue collected and investment needed. In other words,
you're not taxed enough, and everything's getting so expensive, and

(12:35):
we haven't been spending enough on what we already have,
and so basically the chickens are coming home to roost.
Simeon Brown has already put rucks on our like vehicle fleet,
so look, I think they're definitely coming. So prepare for
a future when an array of devices on your son
vines are ping merrily away, paying money to the government
as you drive around trying to make a living. A
fellow who wrote that report as Dr Matthew Burchill. He's

(12:57):
going to join me right after the sixth.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
That he news trending now the chemist Warehouse, the home
of big brand vitamins.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I love the original Gladiator. It was just a great movie.
It of course starred the Mount Albert Grammar school old
boy Russell Crowe made him a global superstar. And now
we're getting Gladiator too. But no, Russell, time has ticked on.
It is twenty four years later, and here is the sequel.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
I remember that day. I never forgot it.

Speaker 12 (13:29):
But a slave could take revenge against an emperor.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Where were you born? I don't know, and never knew.
A mother and our father. The Colosseum, because this is
what they believe in power.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
The arena turned slaves into gladiators, and the gladiators into
three men.

Speaker 13 (13:53):
Whose head could I give you that would satisfy this fury?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
The entire Roman armies too much. The strain belonged to Maximus.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Now I give it to you whoa, So who were
those voices? Pedro Pascal her wife has learned about from
Game of Thrones. Denzel Washington is in it, and the
problem with that for me, every time you see Denzel
you go, well, that's Denzel, not a gladiated that's Denzel.
And also Paul mescal and Paul is that Irish fella

(14:27):
who was in that Teley show who became a new
heart throb. The only returning character from the first film
is Lucilla. That's the daughter of Marcus au Radius. The
main character in this movie is her son. There's no
music by Hans Zimmer. Some people might think that's a
good thing. Some people might think it's a bad thing.
And it's out in cinemas November twenty two. So this

(14:48):
is new stort going to be the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with Andrew Dickens. Mike Back on Monday, your trusted source
for news and fews.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Andrew Dickens on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with are Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News Talk, sad b.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Oh, it is the first day back for the House
in America and there are lots of closed door meetings
happening there right now for the Democrats, Now, what do
you think they're talking about. It's also the seventy fifth
anniversary of NATO and Joe Biden is that at that
meeting and he's been talking at that as well. So
we'll bring you all that coverage with Richard Arnold in
just a few moments time. It is twenty two to seven.

(15:27):
There's a long line of cars and they're trying.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
To get through.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
So the New Zealand Initiative is proposing we replace fuel
excise duty with a smart Road User Charges system. Now
they say the current fuel tax system is outdated and unfair.
Under the Smart Road User Charges, vehicles would actually be
charged for actual road usage, time of day, and vehicle type.

(15:53):
So it's a little bit more advanced than our current system.
It will reduce congestion, they believe, and ensure fair and
distribution of costs. And the reports author Dr Matthew Btchell
from the New Zealand Initiative joins you now, hello.

Speaker 14 (16:04):
Richard, Oh, Matthew, good morning, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Don't know where the Richard came from, but there we
have it. Is this, if we're even considering this, is
this admission that our roads are going to have to
become a more expensive place to do business to drive upon.

Speaker 14 (16:20):
No, so under Smartrock road users wouldn't pay more. The
system is designed to be revenue neutral, so it's just
about shipping how we pay, not about increasing costs.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Okay. So, but some people might pay a bit more
because they might be not paying as much as they
should now, and some will be paying a bit less.
So overall cost neutral yep.

Speaker 14 (16:41):
Correct. So around the margins, if you're traveling and say
to the city centers at peak times, you may be
paying slightly more. But across the board, it's a revenue
neutral system.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But if you don't like it, you cannot doubt by
just not driving on the roads.

Speaker 14 (16:58):
Yeah, exactly. I mean that's one of the benefits of
having a pricing system for our transport network. You have
choices that it gives you flexibility, so you can make
those decisions about whether you want to take public transport,
shift the time of travel, those sorts of things, so
it gives that flexibility.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Okay. So when I was talking about this half an
hour ago, I was saying, you know, look forward to Sundlizer,
where you've got a whole lot of devices that are
picking away doing your road user charges, do your congestion charges,
doing everything. Can you explain how your model would actually
work and what it would look like on our cars?

Speaker 14 (17:35):
Yeah? Sure, So road users would have two payment options,
an automated pay as your drive system using an in
vehicle device, or pre purchase distance licenses like we already
use for our ruck. So it gives you flexibility for
those who who want the technology option that's there. But
also I feel more comfortable with a pre purchase distance

(17:58):
license like we already used for You can go for
that as well.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, so there won't be an electronic thing picking us then.

Speaker 14 (18:07):
No, no, So you have the option to have an
electronic recorder in your car, but you also have the
option to go for the more manual choice.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
But you need the electronic one if you're going to
do the congestion charges at the same time, wouldn't you.

Speaker 14 (18:22):
Well you can actually go also for number plate technology,
so there are choices there.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Fascinating Is this being done overseas.

Speaker 14 (18:32):
So congestion charging, yes, and also tolling. And in the
report I canvas a vast array of international examples. So
I look at Stockholm, I look at Singapore, I look
at the United States, I look at Japan. This would
be a world first though in terms of scaling that
up to a universal road pricing system, and I think

(18:53):
New Zealand is really well positioned to do this. We
already have a road user charge system. It's just about
making the next step because you know, let's be honest,
the current setup isn't doing us any good.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
How long will it take to roll this out?

Speaker 14 (19:08):
So I've outlined a five year implementation phase. I think
it's really important not to go for just a big bang,
sudden switch overnight, so you progressively phase out fuel tax
with road user charges.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Getting text all over the place, mate, he says, how
many millions will it cost you change from fuel excise
to rucks?

Speaker 14 (19:30):
Look, that's something for the Ministry of Transport to work out.
What I would say in response to that is our
current system is incredibly inefficient.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Okay, here's another one. Is there a trade discount?

Speaker 15 (19:41):
Mate?

Speaker 14 (19:44):
I haven't factored that into the smartreck proposal as of yet.
I think as an important principle, you don't really want
to be carving out too many exemptions. So if we
look at London, then it's congestion charge. One of the
main problems that it's had is about fifty percent of
road users have an exemption. The point that I just

(20:05):
want to reiterate is this is not about putting huge
costs on drivers. You know, even just a dollar to
say a congestion charge can change travel patterns around the
margins and it allows people to get from A to
B more efficiently.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
And I got one more from the audience. What a
magnificent audience they are too. How will this work? How
will this work for farmers? For instance, they're driving down
the back of the farm and then the next day
they're on the road to the shops. But will they
end up being charged for the back of the farm
driving when by the racks.

Speaker 14 (20:35):
No, the farmers excluded from smart road user charges.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Well, hold on one moment you're saying exemptions are bad,
next moment you're exempting.

Speaker 14 (20:43):
Well, yeah, if they're driving around the paddock, you know,
no problem without it. For they're using public roads and
that's a different matter.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Doctor Matthew Burchill, thank you so much for doing some
thinking on us. And what do you think about this?

Speaker 16 (20:56):
He's saying that it's less his system's less complicated. Did
it sound Do you know what doesn't sound that complicated
is the text that we used to play pay here
in Auckland that they took off us.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
You fill up the gas and then you pay for
the roads.

Speaker 16 (21:10):
And I'm wondering if we went the wrong way, if
this kick ass fast track government just was a little
bit hasty with that, and perhaps they should have just
extended that to the rest of the country.

Speaker 9 (21:19):
Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Some textas asked me before, it's the New Zealand Initiative,
right wing and now of course the texts are saying
this is communism at its best. What a croc And
of course somebody said, I've got to read this text,
I've got to find it again to well tell him
I'm dreaming. And then somebody says, oh, does he work
for the wef or the devil? What do you think
of the idea? Think about it? Rationally? Sixteen to seven newstalksb.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
The mic costing breakfast.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
And while we're on the topic of cars and petrol
and all that sort of thing, the cling car and
porter standard was going to be a lowered to align
with Australia's emission standards plan. Some people don't like it
because it means we might get some slightly dirtier cars
being imported, but we might get some cheaper cars. So
what's the plan, Greg Epps? Or Epps should I say?
Greg Epps, who's from the important Motor Vehicle Industry Association

(22:03):
is joining us. Next hour is now thirteen minutes to seven.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
International correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Richard Arnold from the United States of America. Good morning
to you, sir.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
What are you Andrew?

Speaker 3 (22:19):
So the House is back and there's lots of closed
door meetings for the Democrats. Gee, what are they talking about?

Speaker 13 (22:24):
Well, it's a house divided as they talk about what
Joe Biden should be doing in terms of running for
the presidency. Again, they met for two hours on the
House side. When they came out of that session, Democrats
Steve Cohen was asked if there is part of unity
on Biden's apparent bid to stay in the race.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
What do you mean, You're not on the same page.

Speaker 13 (22:48):
Not even the same book. Senate Democrats are holding a
similar session. To this point, President Biden is showing increasing
insistence that he will remain as the presumptive nominee, and
he has challenged any rivals.

Speaker 17 (23:02):
I'm getting so frustrated, but by the lead. If any
of these guys, I don't think I should run against me.

Speaker 13 (23:08):
So many of the Democrats emerging from the House session
are describing a feeling of deep sadness in their ranks,
says Sean Easton.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
Great sadness that we are not having a conversation about
the fact that we have two people learning for president.
One of them has a record that anybody would be
proud to have, and the other one is an adjudicated
rapist or twice in beached convicted fellony.

Speaker 13 (23:30):
Well, they're not voicing a lot of enthusiasm, says congress
Member Richie Torres.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
If the president declines to leave voluntarily, then he's going.

Speaker 18 (23:39):
To be our nominee, and we.

Speaker 9 (23:41):
Have to make the best of a complicated situation.

Speaker 13 (23:43):
And Democrat Diana Presley.

Speaker 14 (23:46):
There are.

Speaker 11 (23:49):
Changes that people need to see to continue to.

Speaker 13 (23:52):
Feel comfortable again. Not rousing support is that two groups
are giving stronger backing to Biden, the Hispanic Caucus Andy
Bike Hookers, whose member Greg Meeks says.

Speaker 19 (24:03):
I just met with the Prime Minister New Zigeland and Australia,
so the whole democratic world, those of us who.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Share the same values. Joe Biden has led that and
brought us.

Speaker 13 (24:13):
Together now that Chris Lackson is getting into American politics,
bind you, he said non Zi by that his aim
is to work with whoever winds up in the White House.
But this is another crunch day for Biden, who has
a lot on his plate this day and is well.
He is facing a full agenda here with a news
conference on Friday, his first in eight months, and.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
He's got the seventy fifth anniversary of NATO to get through.
That's right.

Speaker 13 (24:35):
World leaders will be making their own assessment of Biden's
strengths as he starts hosting this event in Washington. Biden
has become the strongest support of NATO since Bush Senior,
but the shadow of his dismal debate performances hanging over
this meeting as well. So the NATO events are likely
to delay a lot of open politicking here, and the
NATO gathering also will focus lightly on Ukraine. Biden condemning

(24:57):
today's Russian attack on that children's hospital k which he
calls a quote horrific reminder of Russia's brutality. The Russians
are claiming without evidence that it was a Western supplied
missile that went a Ryan hit the place are Ukraine's
president Zelenski will deliver a major speech in Washington on
the sidelines of the summit. Zelenski says thirty eight people
are killed in today's daylight Russian rocket attack, with four

(25:20):
children among the dead. The NATO summit is occurring not
only with Biden Democrats in disarray, but amid NATO concerns
about it possible Trump returns. Since Trump has shown little
interest in Ukraine or NATO, that is very much in
the mind of world readers as Ukraine seeks assurance of
continuing backing, even as US analytes are saying now Russia
is unlikely to take much more Ukrainian territory. This shocking

(25:42):
war has devastated parts of Ukraine, as we know, with
more Ukrainians killed and all the Allies who died in
either Vietnam or Afghanistan, and with Russian casualties now estimated
at around one hundred and twenty thousand killed and perhaps
one hundred and eighty thousand more wounded. Richard Arnold for
the Better Say of America I think you for your
timement is now nine minutes to seven. The text number

(26:03):
is ninety two to ninety two or small charge does apply.
Thank you so much for your feedback.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
On the road user charges for farm vehicles, Mark says,
we have four diesel farm vehicles. We claim back all
right costs. The kilometer's done off roads. It is a
slow process, but we do it. Problem with at tax
on diesel is that our tractors and most farm vehicles
are not on the roads, so why should they pay
a tax on diesel four roads? It is yeah, nine
to seven, still to come the biz on News talks

(26:26):
at B.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
On the Mike, Costing Breakfast with Alveda Retirement Communities News.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Talks v it is six to seven. The Reserve Bank
is going to review the official cash rates today economists
agree cutters unlikely. Today they remain divided when the rate
might finally drop. The ocr has remained marooned on five
point five percent now for a year. Our high inflation
environment has been around for two and a half years.
Two and a half years. People talk about the perfect

(26:55):
storm of overstimulated demand, global production and logistics disrupt an
acute labor shortages and weak productivity and then this is
a profligate spending of the previous regime. So the problem
is why is inflation proving so sticky and that stickiness
is stretching businesses very thin. And I'm saying this all
the time. But survived till twenty five is our new
national model. So when will we get some relief because

(27:16):
we've done some very hard yards Nick toughly from the
ASB is with us right after the news, all.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
The inns, all the outs, it's the fizz on the
Mike Husking breakfast on news Talk ZEB.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
So after years at the top, Dyson is feeling the heat.
They've announced that more than a thousand jobs in the
UK are likely to go as part of a global restructure.
That's about twenty nine percent of their entire UK workforce.
They're doing it because they're getting fierce competition in global markets.
Well remember they moved to Singapore and twenty nineteen and
this was rumored to happen. It's still a big blow, though,
big blow as Sir James Dyson has seen as one

(27:51):
of the biggest British business players that the country can
lean on. It's worrying for the new government because it
continues the trend of companies and billionaires and millionaires leaving
the country. So James have been against the UK's economic
policies for a while now, so the question is will
they come back in The corporation tax last year increase
from nineteen to twenty five percent. Dyson itself, despite some

(28:12):
failed projects in recent years, is still very profitable. They
made enough that they were able to increase their research
and development spending by forty percent last year. But they
had a few expensive fails as well. They spent two
billion dollars trying to build an electric car in Hullivington.
They dropped that project when they realized it was too difficult.
If Dice is really in trouble, we just have to

(28:34):
get Mic back on the show and buy more vacuum cleaners,
do we not? Simple? Just like that, It's coming up
three minutes to seven. Nick Touughley from the ASB is
going to be joining us shortly on the os OCR
and Greg IPPs is going to join us as well
because now we can import slightly dirtier cars which could
make them slightly cheaper or will they be? And also

(28:56):
you can remotely inspect a house if you want Is
this a good idea? Will we be doing this? Yes?
We are more on that next day I hear on
news talks here.

Speaker 20 (29:04):
Book didn't it half my fault?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
But I just start to play the victim.

Speaker 20 (29:09):
A drink our good hold till my friends come home
to Christmas and our prev snate of some thirdy may
not have did loose now your tire track in one.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Their shoe set up.

Speaker 20 (29:27):
Don't have to have.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
To setting the news agenda and digging into the issues.
Andrew Dickens on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar the
Art of Performance.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
News talk said, b goodbrying to you. July the tenth
the OCR is announced today. Most economists agree it's likely
to hold. It's sitting at five point five percent. They
do remain divided though, about when they'll see a drop.
And that's what we want. Chief economist at the ASB
Bank is Nick Tuffy. Joins me. Now, Helen, Nick, good,
mind that OCR rate now has been stuck there for

(30:04):
a year. The fight against inflation has been going on
for two and a half years. This is becoming a
prolonged period of hardship. How long can it last? How
long do you think businesses can bear the headwinds.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Love.

Speaker 17 (30:17):
I think people just need to hang in a little
bit longer. We do think there are some encouraging signs
that inflation will fall and be back within the target band,
you know, fairly soon and give the Reserve Bank the
comfort that the job is done.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Markets have been saying that they are expecting an easy
that there are green shoots, but at the same time
also saying they don't expect any change to that rate.

Speaker 17 (30:43):
Well, that's that's right. At this meeting. We don't think
the Reserve Bank's going to be changing the ocr at all.
We expect the Reserve Bank's still going to be fairly
cautious as it's looking ahead, and what we're looking for
today is some signs that it's just starting to see
that inflation will come down a bit quicker than what
it's expecting. The challenge for a reserve bank, though, is

(31:04):
that the official inflation figures for the Dune quarter area
to be up till next week, which is not very
helpful when you're making your decision right now.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
The other problem we have actually is the crystal ball
gazing and that we're not getting any analysis from the
Reserve Bank here we're just getting rate announcement.

Speaker 17 (31:18):
Right, Well, this is correct. This is one of the
short announcements. The Reserve Bank does what we call a
monetary policy statement four times a year and that's quite
Fulsome has lots of detailed forecasts and this is just
a review. It's in between a couple of the monetary
policy statements, so we don't have a lot to go on.
It'll be a few paragraphs and then the details of

(31:38):
what they discussed at the meeting.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
All right, So I'm just a tempering people's expectations. Should
we be surprised at how high inflation has remained for
so long?

Speaker 17 (31:49):
We've had such when you look back at it with retrospects,
such an unusual period. It was the perfect storm for
inflation pressures. Just about any source you could have got
inflation from, you got it at the same time. And
look at has been persistent. It's probably been the surprise,
not just here but around the world as well. So
we're not alone, although we are. Inflation presus have probably

(32:11):
been a touch more persistent than other countries.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Now toughly, I thank you for your time today, and
Nick is the asb's chief economists and we will bring
you all the coverage of the OCIA announcement as they
come to hand. It is now ten minutes after seven
zi be So the clean Car Importer standard is going
to be lowered. It's going to come into line with
Australia's a Mission Standards plan, effectively creating one large car market.

(32:35):
I guess that gives you sort of, you know, an advantage.
DC two targets will be softened, meaning we can then
bring in slightly dirty your cars. Then, before clean car
advocates worried that New Zealand will become a dumping ground
for less efficient vehicles that can't go elsewhere, I've got
the chief executive of the Vehicle Import Association with me,
Greg Ebbs.

Speaker 12 (32:55):
Hello, Greg, Morning Andrew. How's it going good?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Will this make cars cheaper?

Speaker 12 (33:00):
It will slow them down from getting more expensive. They're
not really going to get cheaper. And to your point
of bringing in dirtier cars, we're still advancing the carbon
targets down, so we will still be bringing in cleaner cars.
We're just bringing them in a little bit slower than
we were going to.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Okay, well that was my next question. Will it make
it dirty?

Speaker 12 (33:23):
But you don't believe so no, I mean we have
been progressing both ourselves. So I represent the used vehicle
important side of things, and then there's also the new
car side, and we've both been working towards these lower
targets and trying to achieve bring in cleaner cars. So

(33:44):
this has been happening. It's just that as you make
these targets harder and harder, the scope of the types
of vehicles that we can bring in, the range, the
quality in terms of condition, that starts to get bit
harder if we're going to keep them affordable. And so
what this has done is it's meant that we will

(34:06):
be able to still keep bringing in a good range
of vehicles at a good quality at a price that's
affordable for Kiwis.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Does it mean the will end out importing more ICEE vehicles,
more gas vehicles for longer rather than making some switch
to hybrids or electric Well, I think.

Speaker 12 (34:24):
In the used car space, used import space, we're going
to see more hybrids coming through because hybrids are the
vehicles that are dominant in Japan. At the moment, we
get ninety five percent of our used vehicle imports coming
from Japan. So as Japan goes, so do we in
the used sector. The new car guys, they're all working
on their product lines. They're bringing out evs and hybrids

(34:49):
over the next five years or so. I don't think
there's anything that New Zealand could be doing that will
speed up the manufacturer of evs anywhere else in the world.
We take what is available and these settings are just
helping us make sure that we can make a sustainable
transition through to those eds.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
And how we seeing demands for used cars really at
the moment? And I say this as a man who
owns a twenty nineteen Many that I'm trying to sell
that nobody wants to buy this thing. If you want
to buy my twenty nineteen Many, feel free to contact
me here at these storks. But is there a demand
for these used cars at the moment or are we
in a hole like a lot of the rest of
the economy.

Speaker 12 (35:29):
Things have slowed down. Things have certainly slowed down. You know,
the new car sector has been seeing numbers drop our
used vehicles, the numbers have dropped from last year. I
think that's a product of just the very tight economy
at the moment. Your previous guests talking about the monetary

(35:51):
policy statements and the interest rates. Look, we're just all
trying to survive through until the end of this year.
I think when we're expecting interest rates to loosen up
a bit, and as they loosen up, it means that
people may feel a little bit more comfortable with going
out and getting that replacement vehicle rather than holding on

(36:13):
to the one they've got at the moment.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
And you'll have more for them because of these rules.
And I thank you so much for your time and
your expertise. Greg Epps, who is the chief executive of
the important Boat of Vehicle Industry Association. Right SOALGP is
coming to Auckland, that's been announced. The question is where
are they going to sail on the White to Matta Harbor.
Because the reason they didn't go to Auckland in the
first place was that Winyard Wharf, which is the Silo park,
which used to have all of the oil tankers. There

(36:37):
was filthy ground. It hadn't be mitigated. And the council
said to Russell, I'm sorry, you're not putting food on
that ground. It's dirty. You're not putting people on that ground.
It's dirty. And Russell of course said why not. You
got shoes on. But anyway, so that's why it didn't happen.
My question is, obviously, has it been remediated? Do we

(36:57):
have a venue that offers the deep water right off
the coast. That's how gp needs will ask you.

Speaker 9 (37:03):
It's not much of an adrenaline zone if you can't
see the boat.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
That's right, They've got to be close. You need deep
water close to the coast. Have we got this? Nick
Hill from Auckland Unlimited is my very special guest. Just
after the seventh thirty news, the hosting racist will be
it is seven to seventeen. My producers has handed me
a press release. Property prices to climb further in June,
it's added trade me listings taking longer to sell. I've

(37:28):
had enough to pressing news already. I'll read that later
if you don't mind. Meanwhile, in euro the semifinal France
versus Spain has kicked off. What are we eight minutes
in so far? Eight nine minutes in? Guess what? No
more than that? Guess what? In the eighth minute France scored.
I wasn't picking that because Spain's the favorite as far
as I'm concerned. They've been playing beautiful football and the
eighth minute. France is now one nil up England versus

(37:51):
the Netherlands tomorrow seven eighteen. So as part of its
housing pushity government plan to make councils do building inspections
remotely has come about. Chris Pink says the building protest
it takes too long and this will make it easier
and cheaper, and so will it. We've got the director
of construction at David Reidholmes Cantery, Carl four days with

(38:12):
me on the program. Good morning to your Carl, Morning injury.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
How are you very good.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Remote building inspections? Are they efficient?

Speaker 12 (38:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (38:21):
Well, remote building inspections have been tested boards in the
COVID times that was tested on site with certain inspections
and it did save time and that I think the
good thing is that we are looking at speeding up
the building process.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
For us.

Speaker 15 (38:40):
It's a look at the consenting process and resource management
would be where we can really save some time and costs.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yes, exactly. I mean we've had enough leaky homes, We've
had enough leaky apartment buildings to go well, you know
on the plans these look good. It was actually doing
the inspection that it did not find the flaws at
my be in that building, you know, So can we
keep up our standards if the inspections are done remotely,
because it's fair to say we're not giving up the
standards at the moment.

Speaker 15 (39:10):
Yeah, I'd say every process has its pros and cons.
The inspections remotely would take a lot of time to
go through and the inspector would be required to know
exactly what he's looking at for that inspection process. Another
way that's been done throughout the UK and Europe is

(39:33):
they actually accredit the builders or the engineers designers, and
they are accredited to the local council being able to
sign off on their own work.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
And that's to find the cowboys and the dodgers exactly exactly.

Speaker 15 (39:48):
It soon sits them out, and you know, the ones
that continually try to cut corners, they don't be around
for too long.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So you would insist Chris Pin that really he needs
to include that in the legislation when it's drafted up
and when all the rules and regulations are presented.

Speaker 15 (40:06):
Yeah, I think it'd be good if Chris came and
met US residential and commercial builders and actually went through
the processes. Is you know your master build federations, et cetera.
There's a lot of knowledge in these federations that people
could really contribute to the whole system where it works

(40:26):
for everybody in residential and commercial good stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Carl Fordyce, I thank you for your time. Here is
the director of construction at David Reid Holmes in Canterbury,
and I'm sure he's going through a tough time, but
he's carrying on. At seven twenty one. Now that released
property prices decline in June, listings are taking longer to sell.
This is according to trade Meet. Property prices dropped one
point nine percent to eight hundred and forty one grand.
This is a low so far for twenty twenty four.

(40:51):
According to trade me, even with the easing of loan
to value ratios and brightline testing where yet to see
a significant impact on the market. I can tell you
that the loan to value changes are really actually exciting
those people selling apartments, but we'll wait to see if
that happens. Yeah, so we're down again one point nine percent,
no surprise. Seven twenty one Mic costkill break ers as

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Speaker 2 (42:17):
Used talk ZIBB.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Tax tax back on the conversation menu. Labour's driving that conversation,
no kidding. At the end of this year they've got
their conference and Labour will be floating their new ideas
for an agenda to regain the Treasury benches and after
the failure of the policy bonfire known as Chippy taxes
back and Barbara Edmonds, who is the new Finance spokesperson,
has already signaled that a healthy debate on a capital

(42:41):
gains tax will be on the table. But now they're
looking at another one. It's called inheritance tax because many
OECD countries have always had it, and islands just introduced it,
so it's an idea doujour. Firstly, why they wanted to
taxis taxes in the first place. The left's response is
to prevent the rich from getting richer, which is terrible bias.

(43:01):
The richer rich because they worked hard and if their
heirs inherited, it's their right. And then if their heirs
maintain that capital, they grow it. Again, it's due to
work and we all benefit, so that's not punished the workers,
even if they are rich.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
Eh.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Economists though, argue that we need more capital to buy
more infrastructure, nurses, doctors, teachers and cops. So what are
what's then the Irish inheritance tax. Well, the first half
a million is exempt and so as a family home,
but after that you have to pay a third to
the state. Trusts are not exempt. It's supporters say it's fair,
but then again, a couple of weeks ago, the Irish

(43:33):
Coalition just proposed the first cut to the inheritance tax
for five years because his election coming up, because you know,
it's not popular. The big hurdle for the tax is
when you suddenly find a wad of cash, or granddad
suddenly croaks and leaves you his rolls, royce or farm
or whatever. Then you have to sell your inheritance to
find the cash to pay the state, which destroys the
inheritance and the emotion connected to it. And then, in

(43:55):
a cruel irony, some richer guy buys your inheritance off
you and he it's richer. So much is based on valuations,
So much as abstract, and so much ignores the fact
that inheritances is actually trickled down, The money comes from
one generation to another. How many of us owe our
house to the windfall that came from the hard work
of a previous generation, So good luck labor. And here's atruism.

(44:17):
The real problem with introducing these taxes is the transition generation,
the generation who suddenly loses the benefits that previous generations
had and they get angry and then they don't vote
for you. Where are we going to do the sale? Gpa.
Nick Hill from at is joining us right after the News,
which is next here on News Talks. Heb how aren't

(44:41):
you I need you, old God, A.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Need for the.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Breakfast show you can trust? Andrew Dickens on the Mike
Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, doing real estate differently
since nineteen seventy three Newstalks dB.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
It's good to two. Welcome to the program for the
tenth of July. Onm Andrew Dickens in for Mike Hosking
and Mike is back on Monday. He is on holiday.
We've got the politicians coming up after eight o'clock. Cardinal
Steperloni standing in for Ginny because Ginny's on holiday. It's
a holiday time and still to come before eight o'clock.
Did you know that the planting of forestry in New
Zealand is quinting and we're getting some troubles with the

(45:21):
old biofuels. We'll look at that issue in depth in
a few moments time. It is twenty two to eight.
Cel GP is returning to Auckland. It's been confirmed that
the city will host the second event of the twenty

(45:42):
twenty five season in January. This comes after the christ
Church debacle and the withdrawal this year, but sale GP
is remaining in New Zealand and that's the good news.
But the big question is obviously how will Auckland cope.
So the CEO of Auckland Unlimited, Nick Hill, joins.

Speaker 18 (45:56):
Me, good on it to you, Nick, morning, Andrew Congradua
went really well.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Congratulations.

Speaker 18 (46:03):
I look, I'm really excited.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I think.

Speaker 18 (46:06):
It's the right event for Auckland, and this time round
I think there's been a chance to get a lot
of things signed out, so it'll be fantastic.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I just noticed in all the all the releases that
I have that there's no mention of the actual specific
venue where we you'd be doing the racing. So where's
the racing going to happen?

Speaker 18 (46:25):
It'll happen off when you're points just under the bridge
where sales GP always wanted it to happen. It's a
fantastic concept with a grandstand right next to the water
and with spectators really close like an F one. So
I think that's what they want to do. But it's

(46:45):
really over to them to explain the details of how
they work.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Okay, But of course the problem was that used to
be tank farm land, that used to be oil land,
that used to be poisoned land, and last year it
wasn't remediated, so they went to Littleton, So where's the
land safe safe?

Speaker 18 (47:00):
Yeah, there are legal issues as well as dealing with
the remediation. All of that has been sorted, so we're
quite happy and confident that the event can proceed.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Did it get sorted because you know, you thought about
it more or is it just a process of time
because of the remediation, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 18 (47:19):
And look at the process of time. Remember these things
were there for decades and you were looking to put
SALEGP in the middle of a process of shifting them
away and all of the legal, commercial environmental issues associated
with that, and you can't just stop those processes for
sale GP. But that's all been worked through and where

(47:39):
are we are? So we're very excited.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, of course you right now. Of course, Russell Crowe
he's tricky. It's fair to say he's a tricky negotiator.
He's a tough negotiator. What we I want to know
is have you managed to get a long term contract
out of the man or are you there on apro?

Speaker 18 (47:56):
No, we wouldn't be here if we hadn't signed an
agreement with them.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yes, I know you've got an agreement, but is it
for more than one tournament?

Speaker 18 (48:04):
Is it for one for one? One of this point?

Speaker 3 (48:09):
So aren't you therefore there on apro? And if you
screw this one up, you might they might not come back.
What's the chances of a long term contract? Was the question?

Speaker 18 (48:16):
Well, the same for them. I mean it could cost
both ways, and the center for both parties is to
make this really successful.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
How could how could sell GP? How could you say
go away sal GP? What could they do wrong to
make them go?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Await?

Speaker 3 (48:30):
They're boats and there's no mammals.

Speaker 18 (48:33):
Well that's true, I would. I would. If it all works,
then that's fantastic. We would have them back. And I
you know no doubt that they would look at the
benefits of bringing the event to Auckland and how successful
did it.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
They want to come to a good and Auckland wants
then we all want them. It's going to be a
great event. It's going to be a great event. What
are you going to do around the event to really
maximize the tourist revenue for the city and for all
the retailers.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
Yeah, look, I'm glad you said that. I mean it's
worth probably more than five million and GDP and ten
thousand visited nights. But what we have been developing it
started this year last year, so i'd say is our
Mawana Festival, which is all focused on the harbor. It's
bringing together a lot of water based, harbor based events,
from business events to boat events, to industry boat shows

(49:22):
and so on. So this will be the start of
Mauana Festival. It follows on from the tennis. So the
tennis will have been the first couple of weeks of
the new year and then we'll go into this. So
I think someone is going to be fantastic this year.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Very good. Are you talking to cruise companies as well
just to maximize a number of people who might come
on a boat to see your boat?

Speaker 18 (49:44):
Well, we always talk to the cruise companies, but their
schedules are set years and years in advance, so you
can't really sort of just tweak things in the short
run for that. But certainly we'll be keen to have
as many people out about enjoying the event and enjoying
the waterfront in Auckland and having a right time and

(50:06):
spending lots of money in those shops.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Good Nick, really looking forward to it. Good don you.
Congratulations Nick, He'll CEO of Orkandarn Limited. Russell Coots is
bringing back the sale GP. Thank you to the Texas
who have informed that I said Russell Crowe was bringing
back the sale GP. The reason Russell Crowe is in
my mind is because of a controversy that fled about
an hour ago when I was talking about the new
Gladiator movie and I said, ex Mount Albert Grammar school boy,

(50:31):
Russell Crowe.

Speaker 9 (50:31):
And then immediately five other different.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
There schools were mentioned. People said, no, Dickens, he's an
Organ Grammar school boy, and others said, no, he's a
Mount roscal Grammar school boy. And I started doubting myself
briefly because remember I am sixty one years old, the
same age as Russell Crowe and I was in the
same class as Martin Crowe. And I'm pretty sure I
never saw Rusty anywhere near Grammar when I was at Grammar,
and I always thought he went to Mount Russell. I've

(50:54):
checked it. He went to Grammar briefly after they came
back from Australia, but then his family moved and then
that's when he went west.

Speaker 9 (51:00):
I mean, and then these people in Australia who are listening, thinking,
what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
True enough? True enough?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
As well?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Should I talk about the G string? Do I have
to talk about this G string?

Speaker 21 (51:12):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
The producers who are also banning me from watching the
Euro twenty four so that I don't get distracted. What's
the score?

Speaker 9 (51:19):
It's still too un to spain, too.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
One to spain. Thank you well. I think I do
have to mention the G string, just briefly, because I've
got a point of view that might be different from others.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
The my costing breakfast.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It's thirteen to eight. So as much as I am
loathed to get into the great Tahlanaki G string debate,
which has dominated water cooler talk for the past twenty
four hours, I could have mentioned it in yesterday's show.
I didn't, but anyway I thought as a contrarian that
I thought I might come out and support the petition
wanting them gone from the new plub with Aquatic Center.

(51:54):
The reason I didn't talk about this twenty four hours
ago is because you know it's prurient. I'll tell you how.
Pre As soon as I said I'm going to talk
about it, someone texted me and said, I hope when
you mentioned the G string briefly you cover all the
important bits. Bomb bomb It's quitquite a well constructed I thought,
so that's why I read it. We've heard everyone sniggering

(52:16):
and talking down their nose about Tara Nakki Prudes. I
heard Josie Pegani on Heathers Show yesterday chanting free the bum,
which is something I do not need to ever hear again,
specially especially when Paddy Gower joined in. I've had my
own family tell me who am I to tell a
woman what to wear, and to sneer at me that
I'm getting old and conservative in that I am supporting

(52:38):
a G string band in a pool, So hear me out.
I am not against g strings per se. I cannot
see how that comfy though I can't see how they
make a wearer feel secure and surf. I don't know
why you need to tan a bum. I can't see
how you can say they don't sexualize a woman. But
I'm not against the per se at the beach in summer,
where you can choose how close or how far away

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you can be from the bottoms in question. And here's
the rub, it's the environment. A pool is a confined space.
I don't like pools. There are too many people in
too small a space, all frolicking in a limited puddle
of water. It feels dirty to me. Sorry, I find
them very claustrophobic. The new Pimoth Aquatic Center I have
looked at it has both indoor and outdoor pools. But

(53:22):
I would suggest, if this story comes up now and
you are attending an indoor swimming lesson on a winter's day,
a g string wabbling pass would be distracting, no matter
who you were, or how conservative or liberal you are
or not, because it's right there. The pool in question
has rules about how much cleavage you can show, So
what's the difference between the rule for the top and

(53:44):
a rule for the bottom. It's like wearing jandles to
a restaurant or genes to an investiture. It's just a
dress code which prescribes horses for courses. So add a pool, yes,
skimpy athletic top, yes, budgie smugglers for men, they're acceptable.
They're fine for a pool, but leave the g string

(54:06):
for our special beach occasion. And by the way, that
goes doubly for men.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Andrew Diggers on them my costing breakfast with Jaguar News Talks,
he'd be.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Well, here we go. Data from the Ministry of Primary
Industries has showed a sharp decline in New Zealand forest
plantings in New Zealand, which is against a trend I
would have thought this year we are planning to plant
twenty four percent less than we did last year. So
within the industry, some should I say, within the industry
are warning that this could result in a shortage of

(54:38):
buyo fuel in years to come. So the executive officer
of Bioenergy Association, Brian Cox, joins me right.

Speaker 18 (54:45):
Now, Hello, Brian, good morning.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
This is surprising because you know we've had so many
pro forestry programs through the decades.

Speaker 22 (54:54):
Oh yes, but markets move up and down according to
how people see you. And so what we've got to
do is to recognize that planting the trees is an
opportunity and that we're not planting now, then in twenty
thirty years time, we won't have the biomass that we

(55:16):
need to make biofuels, and you know that's what we need.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Well, we know about the plantings for carbon credits, but
how much planting happens in New Zealand specifically for biofuel.

Speaker 22 (55:27):
We don't actually plant specifically for biofuels. Is that we're
fortunate in that we grow trees so well, and we
grow so much that we're able to use the residues.
And it's the residues from harvesting or from wood processing
that we use, and that means that it's fully sustainable.
It's backed on to primary products, whether it's rogs or lumber,

(55:52):
and so we're using those residues to be able to
basically get one hundred percent of a tree able to
be used either in the primary product or through the
residues for energy.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Well, I know from my school biology is that Pinus radiata,
which is a common planting tree, grows like billio in
New Zealand. So do we have the ability if we
do the planting, to actually make an awful lot of biofuel.

Speaker 22 (56:18):
Yes we do, and the different species will be useful
in different categories. Currently we're using the residues from our
Finus radiot of plantations in shopping out coal for process
heat and potentially in the South Island. And that's just

(56:39):
been going gangbusters.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
Is that.

Speaker 22 (56:43):
People recognize that we can't use coal. Previous government also
brought in plans and restrictions on using coal, and so
the market has responded by using the residues which often
would be left in the forest law or not utilized,
treasured as waste rather than treated as a valuable product.

(57:04):
And what's going to go the future wealth exactly?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Okay, Well, speaking of future wealth, I mean, can we
export this stuff and make money out offshore?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yes we can?

Speaker 22 (57:16):
Is that you know we already do export some palettes,
not much, but there's a lot of the future products
like what we call a black palette, and that is
a very hard palate and that's used for power stations
like it Huntley, and so we can replace the coal
that goes into Huntley by a black palette and that's

(57:40):
in great demand. Esprecially up through Asia that we can
use there. But also you know, we as a country
with our space and ability to grow trees, when we've
got other countries like Singapore and Asia, they don't have
the space, they don't have the speed of growing these
the way we can. So we can do that and

(58:03):
so either for export or for domestic use.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Good stuff. Brian Cox, who is from the Bio Energy Association,
he is the executive officer. Thank you so much for
your expertise. So get out there and start planting some forests.
It's got a double bang. Okay, we got the politicians
on the way. Uh, Jinny Anderson's on holiday, so it's
Carmel Czipoloni and also Mark Mitchell. We're going to talk
about Darlene Tanner obviously, we're going to talk about all

(58:28):
that money that labor wasted on light rail or did
they or where's all the plans gone, you know, and
what's going to happen to the property and the tolling
of the roads of national significance and all sorts of things.
And we're going to have some fun with me. I'm
Andrew Dickinson for Mike Hosking. He's back on Monday News
and Supporters.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Next, maybe are you down what may us fold? Opinions?
Andrew Dickens on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with.

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Veda Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News Talk, sa'd be.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
It's a very quite intrugling.

Speaker 15 (59:18):
You.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Those are Germans Wednesday. So whereas giving you some new music,
The new music comes from the band called Imagine Dragons.
I don't have to Imagine Dragons. I watched House and
Dragons on the Telly yesterday. Fantastic two dragons going at
each other that episode.

Speaker 19 (59:42):
Yet very good.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Imagine Dragons seventh album, last album album, Yeah, I know
because they were Imagine Dragons are not famous for a
long time before they suddenly became famous. Last album was
in twenty twenty two, so it's two years later. They've
got some Swedish collaborators who are hilariously called Mattman and Robin.

Speaker 18 (01:00:06):
Cha.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Short and sweet, lots of two minute songs. Do you
know the total lenked of album? I think that's very important.
Mike Hoskins taught me that total length of album is
I think under forty minutes, which will make Mike's day.
And we wish some good Oh by the way, The

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album is called loom LM, as in what you weave
with and also when you peer over someone's shoulder irritatingly
while they're trying to type looming away. It is eight
minutes after eight and it's time to welcome our politicians

(01:00:50):
to the stage. Mark Mitchell and Carmel Siper learning for
Politics within Day.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
Hello, guys, good morning, morning morning Timel mor Ning.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Oh come on, that was that was a very.

Speaker 21 (01:01:05):
Normal early morning deep voice.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
That's her resting morning face, Camel, Camel, I'll let you
warm up. What do you think about Darlene Tana and
everything that happened over the last couple of days.

Speaker 21 (01:01:22):
I think the general public would be pretty concerned. I
am for the Green Party. They've been through a lot recently.
They've made the right calls. I think Darlene should resign.
Uh and I can see why they can't allow her
back in the caucus.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Very good, Mark.

Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
We're just this is a matter for the Green Party
and they are dealing with it and we're just going.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
To live at the Well, that's not what the that's
not what the acting Prime Minister said yesterday. I mean
we had we had wednesdaynight and he went bad This
is a disgrace, This is despicable, This is an outrage
towards democracy. The woman's got to go, and you're going
on for the Greens.

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
Yeah, I mean, you know, at the end of the day,
of course, the Deputy prod Minister bought legislation around the
walker jumping, so you know he's got a stake in
the ground on that. But no, it's quite Some of
the opposition is that it doesn't matter for the Greens
and they are sorting it out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Okay, but mate, you know she's taking the pay and
that continues. We're cutting government spending, but we'll give them
money to Darlene Tarnott.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Look and if you are a presentative, if you are
serving the people and you are taking the pay, then
you front up and you do the job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
So I'll go back to Carmel Camel. I think she's
lost a mandate. Her mandate was granted to her by
the Green Party because she was a list of MP.
Without a mandate, she's got nobody to represent. I believe
under electoral watch she should just go. It should just
be a trigger. And I believe that there needs to
be electoral law reform. How do you feel about the
possibility of changing the rules. So this doesn't become dependent

(01:02:51):
on Darline saying I will resign.

Speaker 21 (01:02:53):
After all, I think she's just got to do the
right thing. There are rules in place, how we have
that Obviously that would be a matter for the Greens
to decide whether they wanted to instigate the leaders that
are there. And so you know, she's just going to
do the right thing and walk away.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
But she was not going to do the right things.
She could have done the right thing one hundred and
fourteen days ago. She's not going to do that. She
believes in herself totally.

Speaker 21 (01:03:19):
Well, less to see how things go. I think there's
a lot of public pressure on here at the moment,
and I think we know where the public sentiment is at,
and that generally is you need to step away.

Speaker 8 (01:03:30):
I think Carmel's right. I think that kiwis inherently have
a very strong radar around a sense of what's right
and wrong in the public. I think he's speaking very clearly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
All right, then, Okay, let's go to Matt Doocy here
has not read the abuse report? Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Mark?

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Well, from what I understand, it was a meeting that
he had in his electric with his constituents as the
local key, not in as minister a role, and that
he was quite simply asked to go that meeting to
listen and hear some of the stories some of the
background of people that are obviously been really heavily impacted
around their experience in state care.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
For those who's not up with this, he revealed at
the meeting that he hadn't read the report from the
Royal Commission into Abuse in State Care, and he's had
it since November, So considering his job though, you would
have thought he should read it, don't you think or should.

Speaker 19 (01:04:22):
Have read it?

Speaker 21 (01:04:22):
Should I do think he should have read it. You know,
his portfolios are completely related to much of what has
happened in this inquiry, and he should have read it,
particularly given he's had it for so long. You know,
it's a hard slog when you're a minister. There are
a lot of reports put in front of you, but
you have to take them seriously, particularly a report like this.

Speaker 8 (01:04:49):
I think without a doubt he's taken it very seriously.
I mean, that's why he's deeply passionate. He's been involved
in mental health delivery services for decades. He's on mental
Health minister, and and he does take this stuff very
very seriously. He's been getting regular updates for officials. They'll
be going over the report. The report will be released

(01:05:09):
I think the first week that we're back in Parliament,
the twenty fourth of July. But you know, but the
meeting that he attended, Andrew, it was one for just
as local constituents that just wanted to get in front
of them and just share their stories, which.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Well, come on, mark, every time a microphone is in
front of you, basically consider it a public megaphone to
the entire country. So it doesn't matter if he said
it just to his locals. It's been reported, yeah, but
it was a private meeting.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
It wasn't in front of meetia or anything like that.
It was just a private constituent meeting normally. Well, all
of those meetings that he will never talk publicly about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Those, well, the localists came out and said that they
were disappointed, so we can easily report that they were
in fact disappointed. And the other thing is, of course
Matt Doosey is one of the nine ministers who has
to make the recommendations based on the report. It came
out in November he's got the report. He's a Minister
of the Crown. It's sitting there. I know it's massive.

(01:05:59):
I know it's a hard read, but you would think.

Speaker 8 (01:06:04):
Of not full conference has made. It's completely across what
needs to be done, what his role is as part
of those nine minutesters and making sure that we've got
the right response in place.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Mark Mitchell and Carl Sepiloni. It's Politics Wednesday. It is
eight fourteen the Mike Hosking Breakfast Zip. It's eight seventeen.
I'm Andrew Dickens in for Mike Hosking. MIC's back on Monday,
Mics on holiday. We're doing Politics Wednesday with Mark Mitchell
and Carmel Sepalone. So, Carnel, we are now determined that
two hundred and twenty nine million dollars was spent over

(01:06:36):
six years on the failed Auckland light rail project. Of course,
the popular line is no tracks laid for two hundred
and twenty nine million dollars. Can you defend that expenditure?

Speaker 21 (01:06:46):
Oh? Look, these big infrastructure projects take a lot of planning.
In the costs to planning them is huge. I remember
someone telling you about the Waterview tunnel. It took seventeen
years to plan I think four years to actually build
in the amount of money that went in in the
planning stage was significant, and this was a matter of
you know, planning for a project that unfortunately didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Why didn't it happen? Carmel Oh, Look, you.

Speaker 21 (01:07:12):
Know, like there is disagreement, a lot of disagreement around
what infrastructure should be in place. There's no disagreement about
sex that we have an infrastructure deficit in this country
and that we do need to be focused on that
build and making sure that we've got the right mechanisms
in place so that people can get around, particularly in
places like Rusland. But this was a project that didn't

(01:07:33):
pan out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Well, I did it fail because you had a plan
but Michael Wood thought he was a better planner and
decided to stick a light rail underground. Is that how
it failed.

Speaker 21 (01:07:42):
I'm certainly not going to past dis versions on my
former colleague at all, but it certainly is something that
didn't work out. And these projects, even in the planning stage,
do take a lot of money when you're trying to
suss out a way forward and you have to pay
contractors and people to actually draw up those plans and
put their suggestions forward. There's a lot of money that

(01:08:03):
goes into that phase and this is one that day.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Okay, Mark, was this two hundred and twenty nine million
dollars wasted? I mean that some people from labor have
claimed that you canceled it and you've wasted the money.
Did you waste that money?

Speaker 8 (01:08:14):
There's nothing to show for it, there's no there's nothing
that's been built. There's no asset for the people of
New Zealand. So yes, I'd say it's a big waste
of money. But look, we're focus. We've you know, Simeon
Brown has released our government policy statement around land transport
that includes seventeen roads of national significance. I know for
effect in my own electerate at the delivery of the

(01:08:34):
two boy to Wartworth has made a mess of difference
in people's lives, especially those living in Northland and north
of the city. So you know, we know that these
roads improved the quality of people's lives. We know that
makes it safer and we we've got a big program
and we're going to make a significant investment.

Speaker 21 (01:08:51):
Who's got where the Aucklanders agree that, you know the
roads of national significance are going to make a huge
difference in their lives, very cognizant of the fact that
there are very little happening to actually ease the congestion
and do the work that needs to be done in Auckland.
I'm not sure this government does have a plan.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Okay, there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
If we're talking about roads, let's talk about the tolling
of the roads. I had to be in brown On
before and I got into trouble with some National supporters
because I said, you're against the roading and I didn't.
What I was saying to Simeon is why is it
taking so long getting these roads and national significance. Why
can't you confirm that they're going to be tolls. Why
are you not fast tracking them? Why are you saying
there will be no road lane for at least three years?

Speaker 8 (01:09:34):
Mark Well, I think that as a general principle around
tolling of roads, we accept that that is a good
way to go. I support that, although my own li
trip is a road toll they are told. I just
think that in terms of feness, we should look at
the broader network. And your people are are at the
same thing. They're playing the toll. I think user pays

(01:09:56):
as we support that. We need to deliver world class,
world class running network. And yes, getting all consorted car
up was really important, but it's not just to Aukland.
The people in Northland deserve to have a world class
highway heading up there. It'll be a game changer for them.
Were committed to doing that and that's obviously our policy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
But when you campaign last year everywhere, well they're going
for new roads, but you're not going to get a
new road done or even started within this electoral cycle.

Speaker 8 (01:10:23):
No, definitely, the AMAS get Road started this electoral cycle.
And you know there's a whole lot of measures that
both Sydney and Prow and Chris Bishop, the infrastructure ministers,
are working on to make sure that we speed up,
we get out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
You'll you'll be drawing out, You'll be right drawing up
some plans and some geotech and buying some property, just
like the Labor Lot did with the light rail.

Speaker 8 (01:10:43):
Well, we're trying to One of the things that this
camp was about is getting to speeding a delivery and
people just need to see that. And I think Carmel
is right, is that when you're waiting seventeen years to
deliver projects. That's not acceptable, and I know that even
in my own electrons visiting a development up on Golf Harbor,
they used to have four spots that they consulted with.
Now there's a list of about twenty. We've become experts

(01:11:04):
that getting their own way with red type in compliance,
and obviously David Seymow is doing a lot of works
around that. But we need to speak things up.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Somebody's got their email line, turn it off immediately. Yeah,
it's quite a funny carmol. Last question, are you guys
seriously considering an inheritance tax? Do you want to get
back in or not.

Speaker 21 (01:11:26):
We have not come up with any tax policy, Andrews,
So I'm certainly not going to speak to different types
of taxes, and I think it's important that the public
knows no decisions have been made around our tax policy.
We're certainly consulting with people out there the general public,
with experts about what any tax reforms could look like,

(01:11:47):
but we haven't landed on anything yet.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Okay, Mark, apparently, Well, the reason I'm talking about it
is that people are leaking about it. What do you
think about inheritance tax and capital gains tax? Apparently it
will be considered seriously at the next Labor conference of
the into the year.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
Well, I mean, obviously our text policy is a geared
towards putting more money back and the bit pockets of
key we especially when we're going through tough economic times
at the moment. But you know, I'll Labor talked to
the text policies. I've obviously going to have some pretty
decisions to time. I'm sure they'll be transparent with the
country as we sort of moved towards any Switz.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Well, he's he's justest avoiding actually taking a hard stand.
He did at the beginning of this interview, and he's
doing it again at the end. Mark good stuff, mate,
Mark Mitchell, Calmeel Zippoloni. And that is politics Wednesday, And
it is eight twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Andrew Dickens on the My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's Real
Estate News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
It be news talks, it be my bets Looking good,
Spain still leading to one in the first semi final,
Heuro twenty five minutes still to play. Why haven't we
been covering Copper America, by the way, because that's happen
at the same time, I should do that as well.
You know what, The very first thing I said this
morning when I walked into work round about three thirty five,
and Ryan's there, and Ryan's produces there and that's it.

(01:13:04):
And I walked in and I said, no, Glenn, I
think you were there, but you were in the studio.
I don't know whatever. I walked in and I said,
did she win? And they went no. And of course
I'm talking about l Lucian who lost in her quarterfinal.
That was the eighth game she had played in a row.
If you're going to win Wimbledon and you're in the
main drawer, you only get to play seven games. That's
a lot of games. She won the first set, and

(01:13:26):
then she sort of tailed off. She was tired. She
was very tired. And the reason I'm mentioning this is
a lot of people have said, why are we claiming
this woman? You know, she grew up in Switzerland. She
learned her tennis at the University of Texas. And I said, well,
because she was born in Tianu. She chooses to identify
as a Tiana in as a New Zealander. She loves

(01:13:46):
New Zealand. She comes back every week. She wants to
every year. She wants to be part of us, and
we want her to be part of us as well.
You got to say she's been uplifting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Demanding the answers from the decision makers. Andrew Dickens on
the my casking Breakfast with Jaguar the Art of Performance
news tog.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Said, b yes, it's twenty three to ten. So I
was talking about Lucion and then across the news crunched
onto me. I'm new in this show, and I didn't
get the timing right. I just have been enjoying it.
I'll be enjoying the happiness that she brought to so
many people, particularly people in town. I know, but everyone went, yeah,
that's great, she's good. Of course, not everybody is like that.
I've got Texters now to say, well, she switched her

(01:14:25):
allegiance to New Zealand so she could go to the
Olympics because she didn't get into the Swiss side. Well,
you know what, I don't care. She seems like a
good old quie to me. And I enjoyed writing on
the coattails, and I enjoy having a good news story,
particularly in these days, and I will bring you more
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
It is twenty two to nine International Correspondence with Ends
and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
To Australia. We go and Steve Price joys we have
Steve good idea. Andrew so ALBERNIZI has appointed an an
envoy who apparently is anti Semitic.

Speaker 19 (01:14:59):
Yeah, look, come in. I don't know whether this is
window dressing or just something to take attention away from
the fact that he's got an issue with that senator,
man of a payment who's crossed the floor and voted
against the government, voted with the Greens. But he made
this announcement yesterday, went to the Holocaust Museum in Sydney
and said that he would appoint a Jewish businesswoman who

(01:15:20):
would be his envoy to push the case of anti Semitism.
I don't know about you, Andrew, but we've had an
amazing rise in the number of anti Semitic incidents that
have taken place in this country since October seventh last year,
when Hamas attacked Israel. It's gone up seven hundred percent.
That's the measurement. And it's included everything from camp encampments

(01:15:42):
at our major university's street protests every weekend in major
capitals like Sydney and Melbourne shops being dored with the
anti Semitic graffiti, the whole box and dice. It's just
been horrendous. And so this envoy, she's going to travel
to a meeting of similar envoys. Apparently America has had

(01:16:05):
an anti Semitic envoy for some time. They've got a
conference taking place in the next couple of weeks and
then Jewish groups will be able to speak to her
when incidents occur. In my view, look, it's a gesture.
Will it mean that anything change, Will people stop the
rise of anti Semitism in this country?

Speaker 22 (01:16:24):
I doubt it very much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Yeah, I don't know about you. You're quite right. We
haven't had a huge rise in anti Semitism, but we
have certainly had all sorts of protests and you have
to wonder sometimes whether the protest is actually anti Semitic,
or whether it's anti Israel, and whether there's a definition
between the two, or whether we've done down this debate
about the conflict between Palestine and Israel to such an
extent that people have just taken very black and white sides, And.

Speaker 19 (01:16:51):
Particularly when you talk about the Australian Greens and some
of the younger Australians at our universities. Most of those
have now been checked out. But if the Prime Minister
seriously wanted to do something about this problem, he'd call
in the chancellors of those universities and so look, enough's enough.
You can't let these people do this again.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
I think I commented on with you what on Monday
about why are the Greens doing policies on Palestine? I mean,
they're about the Greens and you agree, but there we go. Hey,
Julia Nissane has come back and are there celebrations for
the return of the prodigal sun?

Speaker 19 (01:17:28):
Well, speaking of the Greens, A Green councilor from the
Melbourne City Council had this motion up before the Council
last night that the City of Melbourne was going to
have a welcome Julian A Sanz, his family and support
us to the town Hall for quote a civic reception
to honor him at quote his time of choosing. The
motion also called on the council to celebrate Asianz's freedom

(01:17:51):
from arbitrary detention. I'm reading from their motion here to
Lord Andrew his exceptional courage in championing the universal rights
of freedom, opinion and expression and to reaffirm its support
for whistleblowers. Well, that didn't get through the council last night.
They're not going to have a sinic reception. After all,
the amended motion without that included was carried including by

(01:18:14):
the new Lord Mayor of Vocal Nick Greece. The Liberal
Councilor Rashena Campbell voted against it. The councilor of the
Green Councilor who put it up. She would not have
had the numbers to have this reception. It would have
been quite controversial. A lot of people don't consider Jillian
Assange hero. A lot of them considered the acted against
the interests of not only Australia but our major ally

(01:18:37):
the United States. Interestingly, he's now been back I think
I'm guessing here around about three weeks Andrew, but no
one has heard a peep from him, not a word.
What does that tell you?

Speaker 8 (01:18:48):
And it is that tually there might be a major
media deal in play where a few dollars on the.

Speaker 21 (01:18:52):
End of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
He might be baggage tonight. He might be a bit tired.
He might have gone a bit larla. After seven years
in a room.

Speaker 22 (01:19:01):
He sitting down with his lawyer word is getting it paid.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Yeah, it's true. Absolutely, You meanwhile has a plan to
can I just say the especially regarding anti Semitism is
also is homophobia as well. So they've got two parts
of their through their platform, their program.

Speaker 19 (01:19:19):
That was tacked on the end.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Of course, of course, now Alberanza has a plan to
end domestic violence.

Speaker 19 (01:19:27):
Don't you have a problem when prime ministers come out
and say things like my government, I have a plan
to get my government to end domestic violence. Well, seriously,
you're not going to do that, and it's impossible. I mean,
we all loathe domestic violence. It's dreadful and the rate
of it in our country is too far, too high.

(01:19:47):
But you can't as a government end domestic violence. The
Prime Minister was on some sort of rant yesterday. I mean,
this came after the envoy announcement and it's in the
wake of one of the most horrific stories I've ever
talked about in Sydney that happened at Leilah Park On's
early Sunday morning, where the father of seven children, set
far to his own house, tried to murder his wife

(01:20:10):
and those seven children managed to kill three of them
he's still in an induced comber in hospital in Sydney,
the father and may not ever recover. He's going to
be charged with murder if he is does recover, and
Ed's rock the country. It's appalling what he tried to do,
and it is clearly a case of domestic homicide. But

(01:20:34):
you can't come out and make motherhood statements like we're
going to end domestic violence. I mean, I'm old enough
to remember when Bob Hawke, to former Labor Prome minister,
came out and said no child will live in poverty
under a government that I leave. Well, sorry, there's still
kids in poverty today. You can't make those sort of
statements anyway. The Prime Minister thinks that this is something
that people will latch onto. I want to see actual

(01:20:57):
direct action to limit the amount of domestic violence if possible,
but it's a very hard task.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Be good, so, Steve Price, I thank you so much.
It is sixteen to nine. Like to apologize to Andrew
who writes Andrew, there's been a huge writers and anti
Semitic behavior in New Zealand. Where have you been, and Andrew?
Can I just take you back to what I said
in that Sometimes because I've got young boys, and I've
talked to them about the protests, and they talk about things,
and I realize it's not anti Semitism, but it is

(01:21:23):
anti Israel, and the two are different, but not to
some players. In fact, most of the kids I've talked
to you about this have absolutely no idea about what
happens in the Jewish religion, which I believe is anti Semitic.
H that you know what I mean. It's fifteen to nine,
it's News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
The mic Hosking Breakfast right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
The OCI is out later today. We will bring you
that number. There will be little or no commentary from
the Reserve Bank around that number. It will just be
that number, so we'll have to second guess them, and
that not expecting the number to go down. You know,
the number is currently five point five percent. It's been
at that level now for twelve months or six in
a row, but that's still a year. It's been at
five point five percent. We have been fighting high inflation

(01:22:10):
now for two and a half years. It has been
a long and hard road already, and the inflation is
still sticky. We had Nick Tufnel on earlier today saying, well,
there's a perfect storm. There's been a perfect storm for
the past two and a half years, not just the government,
but everything to make the inflation sticky. It's really starting
to hurt. You'll hear headlines about homeowners forget the homeowners, businesses, businesses,

(01:22:34):
people providing jobs, people paying you. It's hurting them. So
let's hope we can unstick it. On another point, so
I'm reading the paper yesterday and I see that the
Public Service is confused about the rules about mildly language
in the public service and whether they get rid of it.
Of course, New Zealand first campaigned of stripping today the

(01:22:56):
names from the public service. They had this awesome quote,
it's not an attack on the Malordi language. It's an
attack on the elite virtue signalers who hijacked language for
their own socialist means magnificent. Great, but there we go.
So as part of the coalition agreement, Nicola Willis sent
out a memo and she said, stripping Maori from public
service names and documents and all that sort of thing

(01:23:17):
is up to each minister to assess case. Both cakes.
But now the Public Service and the PSA, who are
famous for taking everything literally and not feeling the vibe
attacking the government's position as confusing, and yes it is,
but who cares With all the challenges that this little
country faces, all this virtue signaling from both sides is

(01:23:39):
a massive waste of time and taxpayers dollars. We've got
highly paid public service mandarins spending hours at their desk
looking at their computer, pondering the problem with internal memos.
Get back to work, sort stuff out. We've got the
white tonguey Tribunal hearing packed full of high charging lawyers
and academics and experts looking into the whole thing, with

(01:24:00):
the chairman alleging the government is trying to exterminate to Ao.
Get back to work and do real stuff. Honestly, if
a language can be exterminated by changing the name of
a public service, then the language must be so weak
that it's on the verge of extinction, which it is
not passed by a cafe yesterday it was a family
there on school holidays. We're all talking to RAO. Some

(01:24:23):
people say, I don't nobody's suggesting the name should to stick,
should come in, should be official. Can we just get
back to fixing this place and not get distracted about
what language we use doing it? Cevooplay ah Mercy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Andrew Dickens on the my casking breakfast with Alvida Retirement
Communities us B.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Yes, So Marcus sends me a Texas says, look at
the footage of Koi Swarbrick scribbing from the river to
the sea, and tell me that that's not anti Semitism. Ah, well,
think about it. Is it anti Semitism? Is it anti Israel?
Is it about territory or is it about the religion.
I think Chloe has a clue about what happens in
the Jewish religion, but she doesn't like the state of Israel.

(01:25:07):
But you know, I'm just putting it out there. I
am certainly not anti Semitic, and I think we should
do something fun.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Trending now with chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
All year round.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
And what is fun is taikaway Titty Though. We were
talking about this this morning and we thought that he's
becoming decreasingly so. But he's got Jamaine Clement and the
two are back together. They've written a new TV show
for Apple TV Plus called Time Bandits, which isn't that
based off that Monty Python Guy's idea. Oh yeah, just
too Terry Gilliam. It's about a boy joining a group

(01:25:44):
of thieves traveling through error to error in search of treasure.
Terry Gilliam from Monty Python did the film of the
same name back in nineteen forty one. Here's a clip.

Speaker 12 (01:25:53):
My wardrobe's moving.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Oh hold on, how is he here?

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Who's going on? Who are you guys? We're the Time
Bandits a crack team of expert thiefs.

Speaker 12 (01:26:09):
Nothing. It's too big for us to steal.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
Okay, now that we're close, maybe it is too big
to steal.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
That math cannot and must not fall into the wrong hand.
I shut it to think what happened? Bring me that map?
That's it. I could create a universe of pure evil.
It's evil therefore serious.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Apparently I said forty one, nineteen forty one, I actually
be a nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 9 (01:26:43):
Yeah, I mean Terry gilliams all, but he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Okay. The female voice as Lisa Kudro from Friends Fame
Smelly Feet, Smelly feat Tiger's there in a variety of roles.
Of course, Jamaine Clement plays the devil. Now, Jermaine Clement.

Speaker 9 (01:27:00):
You mean Smelly Cat obviously not Smelly Feet.

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
Damn it, I got that wrong too. Was that in
nineteen forty one or nineteen eighty one?

Speaker 9 (01:27:07):
Yeah, sometime around there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Am I am? I almost off? Yes, I am. Yeah,
Jermaine clemt playing the devil. Have you knows how Jamaine
Clemant always plays the bad guys because he's so good
of it. He was the crab in Mowana, was he not?
And in the Will Smith you know, not the Back
to the Future thing, the whole met in Black. He
was a bad guy in that one as well. But
he's a bad guy in this. It's called Time Bandits.

(01:27:31):
The first two episodes dropped tullly I twenty fourth on
April on Apple TV Plus, and then two episodes will
be released weekly after that. I can't believe I'm saying,
Smelly Feet.

Speaker 16 (01:27:40):
Did you watch that weird TV show about the guy
who sort of disappears into his own mind called legiond Legion.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
The Legion or Legend Legion Legion.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:27:51):
I didn't, but are you suggesting it?

Speaker 9 (01:27:53):
Look, Jermaine Clement was in that too, and he's also
the bad guy in that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
I thought you were suggesting that. I've been disappearing into
my own mind and randomly pulling updates that have absolutely
nothing to do with anything at all. Oh my gosh,
I'm gone and back again tomorrow. Thank you to Glenn,
Thank you to Sam. Mike is back on Monday. My
name is Andrew Dickens. And this, of course this News
Talks Be News is next. Oh, Herbie Hancock later in
the week, Herbie Hancock tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:28:20):
And you were right about Spain. So you know you've
got that six day one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
They're the best man.

Speaker 15 (01:28:42):
Yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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