Full Show Podcast: 27 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honored facts.
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life Your
Way News, TOGSADBS Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today the MC names Behind the Scandals, Tama Poe Tarker
on funding for Mari seats and Pacific Rugby, Erica Stamford
on one twenty seven b and whether we have a
scandal or an email pile? On are the week for Tim, Katie,
Richard Arnold and America Murray Old's Ponies up from Sydney
Pasky Briday morning. We're into at seven past six. More
ageism I've got for you this morning. This time in education,

(00:32):
unions are quote concerned as more teachers work past retirement age.
This is, in part is the trouble with unions. Of course,
One they aren't that keen on work in the first place,
and two they're bogged down and old fashioned rules and
views of the world. What is retirement and how do
you know you passed it? They refer of course to
Super and this tired old business of thinking that when
Super kex and you must check out. Obviously the world

(00:52):
has changed, is changing, just not that quickly. In Union Land,
clearly at sixty four you're loving teaching. Apparently so somehow
chronological at sixty five that desire and love of pursuit
needs to be shold as you wander off collecting your
retirement income and presumably filling your days with bowls and walks.
Eight thousand A teaching at the age of sixty five
or over eight thousand, Now that's double what it used

(01:14):
to be ten years ago, But then a lot's different
to what it used to be ten years ago. Beyond
the numbers, as in sixty five, does anyone ask any
questions like are they doing it because they have to
as opposed to want to? Bit of a different syd
would have thought, most importantly for teaching, given the unions
insist on this mad cap business of time in the
classroom being the measure for income, are these oldies any good?

(01:36):
Could they be better, given their experience and institutional knowledge
than say the twenty one year old just into the
classroom and looking for all the world out of a
depth sex education form six Limwood High early eighties. We
were sixteen or seventeen year olds. The teacher might might
have been twenty. She looked like she wanted to die

(01:57):
as the diagrams of the un know Watts came out.
As you can tell see it in my mind forty
years later. New isn't always best, Young doesn't always trumpolder,
and passion and skill above all else is what should
drive presence in the workplace or classroom? Are you good?
Do you like what you do? Are you making a
difference of the answers yes? Then at what point would
you be remotely interested in age? Far less be concerned.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
News of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
In ninety second, the remaining annoying question of the week,
as regards RUN, is just how obliterated is the nuclear program? Well,
Pete is your man for the job.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
There's been fawning coverage of a preliminary assessment.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I've had a chance to read it.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Every outlet has breathlessly reported on a preliminary assessment from DIA.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
He was backed up by a general.

Speaker 5 (02:43):
A point that I want to make here. The Joint
Force does not do BDA by design. We don't grade
our own homework. The intelligence community does.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Watching at Home was the big guy who issued a review.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
It was one of the greatest, most professional, and most
confirm news conferences I have ever seen. The fake news
should fire everyone involved in this witch hunt and apologize
to our great warriors.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Also watching, presumably from a bunker, was the old bloke
who runs around. He thinks they might just be a
bit too much of the old.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
You know what, They failed to do anything significant. The
President of America greatly exaggerated what had happened.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
It became clear that he needed this exaggeration. Meantime, in Britain,
Sakia has had to put Nata behind him because he's
got a domestic war on his hands. It's the enemy
within the chunks of his own party. You hate as well.
Fear reform.

Speaker 8 (03:34):
The British people deserve protection and dignity when they're unable
to work, and support into work when they can. At
the moment, they are failed every single day by the
broken system created by the Conservatives, which achieves neither.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Fear warning if you're going to go with Govie shopping
next week. Britain has just launched a study into problems
of the pancreas.

Speaker 9 (03:57):
They're not.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Drugs for us reasons, they're not. It's not a new
weight loss fan.

Speaker 10 (04:02):
This is a medication in the same way that people
would take blood pressure medication or pain killers.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, don't think That's how most people see it, and
that's the problem, isn't it Finally the new Bond film?
It's got as director Dennis Villeneuve is your man. He's
done a couple of Dewne movies. He's done Blade Runner
twenty forty nine in its carrier. Despite rumor's still no
word on the main part. Although just to reiterate once again,
it isn't me, so please stop asking. Here's the world
in nineteen. A couple of Trump fun facts for you.

(04:30):
This morning watched the Pound Trump is trashing the US dollar.
The pound hit over night one thirty seven, which is
its highest rates since October of twenty twenty one. It's
eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
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Speaker 2 (04:52):
Trump organization, not surprisingly has removed a reference on their
website over the phone, the gold phone that was claimed
to be made in America, and everyone who knows anything
about phones, those phones aren't made in America. So to
the T one smartphone being made in America now has
a reference to American proud design, and that's due to
the fact it's actually made of course, CHAINA fourteen My

(05:16):
Wealth Andrew callaher good morning, very good morning. Week you're
transferring to the pound, speaking of the dollar. Part of
that dollar thing that I mentioned a moment ago is,
of course, because Crup will not shut up about the
Fed chair. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 11 (05:28):
And it's sort of come to the four in the
last twenty hours. But you've got this backdrop of the
Middle East, haven't your sort of bombs and ceasefires, and
so some of these key US domestic economic issues have
sort of been pushed off the front page, but they
are key issues for the final market, for financial markets
to digest. And yes, the big one unfolding is this
issue of the new Federal Reserve chair. It's a critical appointment, Mike,

(05:49):
for interest rates and bond markets right around the world,
and that includes our own because all of these markets
are highly correlated. So we've seen what I was originally
going to describe as thinly disguised, but actually it's not
even disguised. Frustration of the US President Trump with current
Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, and bearing in mind Mike,

(06:10):
Jerome Powell was appointed by President Trump. This is his
pick back in twenty eighteen. Now his term finishes in
May twenty twenty six, that is eleven months away, and
we've seen very recently this well, it's fairly undignified sort
of verbal and social media assault on Powe by Trump.
He's called amer a major loser, a total and complete moron.

(06:33):
He recently in the last couple of days questioned his
IQs and he wasn't very smart. But now it's come
to the fore because Trump has suggested announcing or appointing
a successor as early as October. This is normally not
done until sort of three months before the incumbents term ends,
and some names have been put for I won't go
through the more. Scott Besson has won, though he's been pitched.

(06:55):
He's the current US Treasury Secretary. But Mike, it raises
two really important issues, and the first one is central
bank independence. That issue was raised here in New Zealand
following the resignation of the alban Said governor or. But
the biggest central bank in the world, the FED, has
to be seen as having operational independence. And you heart

(07:16):
back to the seventies when inflation ran completely out of
control in the US and it was widely believed that
that stage that President Nixon exerted pressure on the then
Fed Governor Arthur Burns to keep rates low. Inflation ended
up sort of going over fourteen percent. Paul Volga had
to come in, and we saw the Fed funds rate
he came in nineteen seventy nine. We saw the Fed

(07:37):
funds having to be hiked to almost twenty percent in
the early nineteen eighties, and that. Secondly, you've got this
really interesting situation if you if you appointing somebody you
very early, you get what's called like a shadow chairperson.
So whoever is announced, they can start influencing market moves
months ahead of their actual belief actually being in the job,

(07:58):
which is what Trump wants. So the market just starts
listening and looking to the new person. So you have
this real potential for policy confusion, and markets are already
speculating that new candidate will be more susceptible to pressure
from Trump and.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Rates will immediately go low.

Speaker 11 (08:14):
It you're talking about the dollar, that's actually one of
the that's one of the outcomes of that. So look,
the economic background is that US could probably support further
interest rate cuts. And it's not as simple as just
putting a sort of a Trump plant in there, because
you've still got the broader committee. But Mike, the story
is going to grow over the next the over the
coming weeks.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Will indeed, I also readly interestingly enough, there's another people
within the Fed that have gone to Trump's site who
argue that a cut is actually needed now and it
doesn't align with what Powell is saying anyway. So a
lot of data robe and I'm seeing mixed bag here
for the US.

Speaker 11 (08:47):
Yeah, totally, yeah, absolutely, so you know he's in the
vein of well, what should they be doing? Your big
data donek last night, another revision to US GDP. This
is very dated, Mike, it's Q one, so it's months ago.
But they saw a really sharp deceleration consumer spending and
it was the lowest now contribution to GDP since the
pandemic since the the second quarter of twenty twenty, So

(09:08):
consumer spending. When it was originally released, it added one
point two percent. That's now been revised down to zero
point five per cent. Big revision. But the rest of
the data last night last night might very mixed. Trade
deficit wider than expected, during goods orders were strong, jobless
claims lower than forecast. It does seem to me that
the US economy is still quite resilient. That's what Powell

(09:30):
is looking at. But I think now or the market's
certainly saying you'll get a rate cut, but it won't
be until September.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Give me some numbers.

Speaker 11 (09:38):
Yeah, Well, you know, these US share marks just keep
pushing higher. The Dow Jones is up three hundred and
ninety five points, it's up almost one percent forty three
three hundred and seventy eight, and the S and P
five hundred and Nasdaq they are sort of flirting. They're
within a whisker of their all time highs. So there's
no issues here, apparently, according to markets. Sm P five
hundred up to forty five three quarters of percent sixty

(09:59):
one three seven, the NASDAK up point eight five percent,
one hundred and six nine points. Twenty thousand, one hundred
and forty two for SLY one hundred overnight gained point
one nine percent eight seven three five. The Nike A
stormed up one point sixty five percent thirty nine thousand,
five hundred and eighty four. Shanghai Composite down eight, just
a small loss. The A six two hundred down eight,

(10:20):
closing at eight five five oh ns Nex fifty was
up point one five percent, small rise twelve thy four
hundred and eighty. You were talking about the pound mic
the kiwi dollar also reacting to the weaki US dollars
now point six oh seven to two. Probably haven't seen
it there since I don't know, maybe October last year
point nine two five two against the ossie point five

(10:40):
one seven eight Euro point four four one three against
the pound eighty seven point five four. Japanese yen gold
trading at three thousand, three hundred and thirty three dollars
threes and Brent crude sixty eight dollars and seven cents.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Most excellent weekend. Andrew Keller had JMI wealth at dotco
dot m zki cron not a name you may know,
but they're into chips like videos and video sort of
crowds the space, but they're just to give you an
indication of where the chip market at is at. They
made for the quarter nine point three billion US dollars
and their sales up thirty seven percent and demand is soaring.

(11:16):
But then we come to a video who set yet
another record yesterday. Their stock is up by the way,
fourteen percent in June twenty four percent for the last month.
They are now valued add a new record price of
three point seven seven trillion dollars six twenty one. News
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Speaker 1 (11:37):
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Speaker 2 (11:43):
Mike's sixty six year old teacher here. Love what I
do and hope to keep teaching until I'm at almost seventy.
It's not for the money. Have a great day, Ken,
Very good to hear from you, and I'm glad you
like what you do. North Korea, by the way, with
the score holidays upon us A North Korea opening a
beach resort. They're looking to boost tourism. It's in one
San Kalma, which is on the east coast. It'll be
only open to domestic tourists initially July one. This is

(12:07):
running a bit late, six years after it was due
to be completed, so they've got the similar sort of
construction issues that we do in New Zealand. I don't
know if you want to draw too many dots there,
but interesting, isn't it. We don't know when that's going
to welcome the foreign visitors. He grew up. Kim grew
up in wantson a lot of the country's elite have
got private villas in that part of the world, which
might surprise a lot of the locals who can't afford
to feed themselves. But that's communism, isn't it. It can

(12:28):
accommodate up to twenty thousand, which is far too many.
It's four k's of beach. It'll have hotels, restaurants, shopping
malls and a water park that, by the way, none
of that can be actually verified. That's just North Korea
telling us that's what's happening six twenty five.

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Speaker 2 (12:50):
The small problem I've actually been getting there. I'm just
not sure which e airligne you're on. Emma Stone want
and ask her a couple of years back, so she's
back with the same team that got to that world.
It's an English remake of a two thousand and three
South Korean film called Sight the Green Planet. So you've
got a couple of conspiracy ibsis blocks who kidnap a
high poaltcy of a Maija company because they convinced she's

(13:10):
an alien wanting to destroy the Earth.

Speaker 12 (13:13):
It all starts with something magnificent, a flower, then a
honey pee. The workers gathered pollen for the queen, but
the bees they're dying, and that's the way they planned it,

(13:36):
to make us the same as the bees.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Let's come again, but it is not in control.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Honeymore we are How can you how she's an alleyen?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well, neither signs are obvious. I'm not sold Stone Jesse, Plemons, Plemens, Plemonds,
directed by the same people who did Poor Things, which
also won Stone and Oscar nominated in eleven different categories.

(14:11):
It's out some time in October if I come back
to it. Brassk I discovered last night. Brassic's really interesting.
So I discovered this thing. I think, is this any good?
I quite like Michelle Keegan who she's from Coronation Street.
She's gone on to quite a career in mainly British
television and a couple of reasonably serious parts, and she's
actually a very good actress. And Sarah Lancaster and her

(14:33):
are the only two people who've ever come out of
Coronation Street and gone on to other real success. Anyway,
I discovered Brastic. I thought this is actually quite funny,
and then I looked it up. It's been going for
seven seasons. It is the most successful comedy that Sky
TV in Britain has ever made. It is a smash.
It started in twenty nineteen and I've only just discovered it.

(14:54):
And I suppose that's one of the upsides of streaming,
isn't it a whole bunch of stuff out there, and
every now and again some of it's good use for you.
In a couple of moments, then Paul Goldsmith wants a
word with us over something I said on the program
earlier this week. Apparently it's not happy.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
The news and the news makers the mic asking breakfast
with the Defender actor the most powerful defender ever made,
and news togs dead be.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
But we got a Coronation Street off and just fear warning,
you are dealing with a sixty year veteran here. Don't
dick with me on this stuff, Mike, whatever happened to
Bradley Walsh from Coronation Street or Davy Jones the singer
right their point, Bradley Walsh, I was talking about people
who went on to acting careers, Sarah Lancaster and Michelle Kegan.
I'm not talking about Bradley Walsh. Has gone on to
great success. Obviously in reality television, they're two different things.

(15:40):
Mike ben Kingsley came out of Coronation Street, No he didn't.
Ben Kingsley might have been on Coronation Street for a
very short period of time. I'm talking about serious people
who had major parts in corn For after the Gandhi
thing precisely. So I'm just saying, you know, don't don't play.
Don't play that game with me. Mike Brassick is so
northern and laugh out loud funny. It gets silly as

(16:01):
the episodes progressed, but as a Northerner I can relate
to the brash, insulting but loving humor. I'm not a
Northerner and I can relate to it. I think it's brilliant.
Twenty two minutes away from set right, Richard arm Shorty,
by the way, on the whole p TX SETH and
we blew everything up and it went fantastically. Think Paul
Goldsmith wants a word. Shane Jones had his bill coming

(16:22):
or has his bill coming? To falls NAPOOI into a
one stop settlement after years of wrangling that has gone nowhere.
Upon hearing Shane's argument, I wondered out loud the other
day on the program where a Minister Goldsmith was a
bit of sleep at the wheel. So right of reply time,
really treaty, Minister Paul Goldsmith is with us. Good morning,
good morning mate. So are you deeply offended at me
or just moderately mythed.

Speaker 13 (16:43):
Just modertorily moderately mythed. I'm probably fool hardly coming and
arguing the point. But all I wanted to say was that,
you know, when I think about the settlements, there are
two things in mind. One is we've been doing this
for thirty years as a country and everybody is losing
their patience. They want the the whole settlement process finished.
But at the same time we want it to work,

(17:04):
and so we want it to be enduring and a
full and final settlement. And that's why, you know, you
can't just impose it and rush it next week. But
you've got to do the job properly and make it work.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So is what Shane is doing problematic or a solution?

Speaker 13 (17:21):
Well, well, his suggestion is just you know, just blasted
out at high speed. And while I'm very sympathetic with that, obviously,
to have an enduring settlement. You've got to have people
being prepared and wanting to settle. And so the real
challenge that we've had over a long period of time
is getting the what's called the mandate right so that

(17:43):
the people who do the settlement have got the support
of the two hundred three hundred thousand PUE. That's been
the challenge in the past, and that's what we're working
our way through. We do have a plan. I've got
a couple of excellent negotiators.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
We're working.

Speaker 13 (17:56):
We're making good progress actually on that mandate work that's
gone underway, and you know, I'd be very I'm going
to give it my very best shot. If we can
pull it off in the next two or three years,
that would be great. But I'm not going to sort
of put a tight time frame on it because there's
been plenty of ministers in the past who have come
along and done that and have had IgG all over
their faces because you can't force something like that.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
What appealed well exactly, but what appeal to me was
the bold your days Momentarily, if you remember them, they
talk to deadlines. They go, if you don't want to deal,
no problem, file your papers, then we'll have a deadline
and if we can't get a deal, that's life. And
aren't we at that stage. I mean when you say
two or three years, how many years that's going on?
For how many millions of dollars more do we need
to spend?

Speaker 14 (18:36):
Well?

Speaker 13 (18:36):
Yes, well, I mean the whole treaty settlement process started
in the mid nineties, so it's been thirty years. It's
not been thirty years with Napoui, but it's been a
long process, and so yes, the point is, yet, we're
all very impatient. We want to get things done, and
there will come a time when you do have to say, well,
come on, now, it's your chance. Now we'll never say that, well,
we're not far from that point.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
But you know you just said we're two or three
years from it.

Speaker 13 (19:00):
Well, well, in the context of thirty years, yes, that's
that's fast.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well it should have been somebody years.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
Yes.

Speaker 13 (19:08):
Well, well, but the point is what we're doing as
a country is kind of globally unique, and we've made
a huge efforts as a country over a very long time.
We're about two thirds to three quarters of the way
through the process, and people will rightly say, well, boy,
this is taking a long time. But having done all that,
let's make sure that when we finally get to the

(19:29):
end of the pool's settlement that it actually sticks and
it works. And so that's what my real focus is on.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Okay, go well, Paul Goldsmith, Minister for Tree Negotiations. So
question for Friday morning, who's right him? Will Shane Jones
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Speaker 9 (21:29):
What do you Mike.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
So we've had the press. We're going to get the
briefing on the Hill today.

Speaker 16 (21:34):
Yeah, this will be a classified briefing, and it's taken
a while for them to get this underway. Meantime, President
Trump is back at the White House trying to tamp
down all those questions about the scope of damage from
their strikes. Your social media post, Trump says nothing was
taken out of Fodoh Underground and Richmond location prior to
the US air attack. He says that cars and small
trucks seen there were those of concrete workers trying to

(21:56):
cover the top of the shafts. Of course, there were
days of anti patient worth there about a potential American strike,
even as Trump was putting out that suggested that nothing
would happen for two weeks. Maybe, the President's press person,
Karen and Levitt said a short time ago, the United.

Speaker 17 (22:11):
States and our intelligence agencies and Director Ratcliffe and the
President's entire national security team, we're obviously watching these sites
very closely in the weeks and the days leading up
to the attack.

Speaker 16 (22:21):
Makes sense, and Trump himself has doubled down on this point.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
We've collected additional intelligence.

Speaker 9 (22:28):
We've also spoken to people have.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Seen the site and the site is obliterated.

Speaker 14 (22:33):
Yeah, his new favorite word.

Speaker 16 (22:34):
The head of the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency,
Raphael Grossi, is saying that while none of their inspectors
have had access to the Iranian site since the tanks,
he believes these centrifuges at Podo are no longer operational.
He says it is too much to assert that Around's
nuclear program has been quote unquote wiped out, but he
believes it has suffered enormous damage. Senator Richard Blumenthal says

(22:56):
he wants to know more.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I want to know how we set back in days
or months or years.

Speaker 16 (23:04):
So as you say, make top polleys are getting a
classified briefing about now that briefing had been delayed. Even
some top national security lawmakers weren't in the loop before
the US attack. All that has added to the questioning
Defense Secrety Pete Heiggseth gave a press conference earlier today
where he and the head of the Joint Chiefs General
Dan Kine, gave no new assessments of the damage Iran

(23:26):
has suffered. Haig Seth did try to make some political points.
Seems to be that he sees that as his job
attacking some in the medium.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Whether it's fake news, CNN, MSNBC or The New York Times.
There's been fawning coverage of a preliminary assessment.

Speaker 9 (23:43):
I've had a chance to read it.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Every outlet has breathlessly reported on a preliminary assessment because
you want him not to be successful, so bad.

Speaker 16 (23:52):
Those METIA outlets have reported in the preliminary assessment which
said Iran's program may not have been completely destroyed. That
was described as an initial view, but it left the
White House, shall we say angry? Independent Senator Angus King
says he is still not satisfied that we have the
full accounting.

Speaker 18 (24:07):
There's some indication they may have moved some of that uranium,
and as you may know, they were only weeks away
from enough facile material to make a rudimentary bomb.

Speaker 16 (24:17):
Meantime, Iran Slida Iatol Ali Hamoni has resurfaced in a
pre recorded statement claiming an Iranian victory, saying Iran will
never surrender.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
So we'll see how this plays, Okay. I've been watching
the video this morning. It looked dramatic had it gone Vegas.

Speaker 16 (24:31):
I think you're right, it looked pretty dramatic.

Speaker 9 (24:33):
Didn't it.

Speaker 16 (24:34):
Some passengers call it tents, others might call it terrifying.
Yet one hundred and fifty nine people on board this airbus,
A three twenty one that took off from Las Vegas
Airport bound for Charlotte and North Carolina, and when there
was allowed, bang like a gunshot, says one of those
on board, they witnessed flashes of light coming from one
of the engines. As it was sparking. The crew said
they would turn around and land back in Las Vegas.
Hadn't gone all that far. People in the ground were

(24:56):
fearing the worst as they saw this jet flying low.
As he was thinking, oh my.

Speaker 10 (25:01):
Gosh, I'm about to lect witness a plane crash.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
On pot the air mess.

Speaker 19 (25:06):
The attitude was, I could actually see a fireball coming
out of the backside of the raid engine. And so
every time we heard these pops could feel it in
your chest.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
When they got down, he says, everyone was crying.

Speaker 16 (25:21):
One aviation expert says it looks to him like, as
he describes it, a classic engine compressor stall. His advice
to him and anyone who ever goes through this, Mike,
don't panic.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Sure, no worries, all right, might see you next week,
Richard Arnold state, so let me come back to Mandamie
in New York. In a moment ten to seven, the.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate news Talks.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
The'd be this is some Shane Jones has got at
my national sched to upset any one. Shane says it
how it is, So that's the headline. The headline is giants.
Jones is a headline. Goldsmith slightly more considered bigger picture
but railed politic and all of that. So Mandani, who's
the Democrat who's won the Democratic primary, will most likely
become the mayor of New York. The panic is starting

(26:04):
to set in already. Lawrence Summers, who's the former Treasury
secretary president of Harvard University, I am profoundly alarmed about
the future of the Democratic National Committee and the country
by yesterday's anointment of a candidate who failed to disavow
to globalize the Interfarder slogan and advocated trotsky Art economic policies.
Anything associated on the Sheer market yesterday with property in

(26:26):
New York fell because he's into rent control and taxing everything,
and because he taxes everyone before they leave New York,
which they will. He then passes that on to make
everything else free for poor people. They're desperate for Kathy Hokel,
who's the state governor, to do something about it. I
don't know what she's supposed to do about it. Katherine Wilde,
who's part of the Partnership for New York City, something
that was started by David Rockefeller in the seventies. Terror

(26:49):
is the feeling. Best line was from somebody who goes
New York is committing suicide by mayor. So watch this space.
Five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Are the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's the fizz with business favor take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
The big question, the reason I raise it is can
you destroy one of the great cities of the world
through the mayor's job. You can do it partially, and
we've seen it in London and you can certainly see
it in San Francisco. Rite good news Friday. Here we
go New Zealand. Are The Global Work Life Balance Index
looks at sixty different countries, marks them out of one

(27:26):
hundred on a range of things public happiness, safety, statutory leave.
I mean this is all crap, obviously, because I mean,
how you measure public happiness, minimum wage, LGBTQ plus inclusivity,
average working hours. They don't take into account economic output
or productivity, hence making it the.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
Joke it is.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
But nevertheless, let's have fun. We win the big prize.
We have the best work life balance according to the
Global Work Life Balance Index in the world. We've scored
eighty six point eight seven, which is in fact a
six point increase compared with our win last year. We
won it last year and we're six points better than
we will last year. We are happier. All you miserable
sods telling me the country is no good and you're

(28:06):
moving to Australia. What's the matter with you? Minimum wage?
Listen up, Ginny Anderson. I don't think they're feeling it.
I don't believe it. Our minimum wage is the second
highest of the sixty countries, behind only Australia, second eyes
minimum wage of sixty countries. On average, we work thirty
three hours a week and then manage your problem. Basically,

(28:26):
what can.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
I tell you?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
The US fifty ninth, Nigeria sixtieth. Now this might surprise you,
Singapore twenty fifth, but it's ex spinning. Very safe, but
very expenny are France sixteenth. They don't hardly work at all.
I would have thought that maybe that's sort of life
work balance. Maybe they're so backward it's still it doesn't count.

(28:47):
So ten through one should we do it? Number ten
Findland ha har beat the Scandinavians for once. Don't see
that often nine, Spain eight, Australia seven, Canada six to
den Mark five, Norway beat all the Scandinavians for Germany
three Belgium. They're just bored witless because they live in
Belgium to Ireland, and we are the best at work

(29:08):
life balance in the world. Take it forward. Of this
t I'm a potark and now he's got some troubles.
He's gonna have a difficult weekend if this doesn't go well.
This money from feign at Aura. Why isn't he on
top of this? Hey, why isn't he on top of this?
He's with us After the news the.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Only report you need to start your day on my
casting breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate doing real estate differently.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Since nineteen seventy three, news togs had been.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Falling seven minutes past seven. So with the death of
Taka Taitash Kemp we faced a by election. Of course,
given she was an electorate MP, you will remember it
was a tight and still contentious fight that she won
up for a recount by forty two votes over Labour's
Penny Hena ray A Tiger University Lord Professor Andrew Geedis
is back with it. Andrew, very good morning to you.

Speaker 20 (29:49):
Yeah, good morning Mite.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
The mechanics of the Parliament as a result of an
electric versus a list MP dying, does it change it
all between now in the vote?

Speaker 21 (30:03):
No?

Speaker 20 (30:03):
Well, I mean it means it's one less MP until
the by election is held, so we're down to one
twenty two MP's instead of one twenty three. But that's
really the only change in terms of the way parliament
will work.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
And theoretical question I know. But nevertheless, if the electorate
had been a government electorate and they needed the vote,
what would happen.

Speaker 20 (30:24):
This is one of the really interesting questions with our
MNP system. What it would mean is you would have
had a tied parliament that the government would have been
able to limp on, but it wouldn't have had a
majority until the by election, and of course if it
lost the by election and that then changed the majority
in parliament, you would have a government that would no
longer be able to govern exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
So in this case, none of that happens. But what
we do have is an ongoing investigation into a situation.
Do you think that'll drive interest in the by election
as a by election?

Speaker 20 (30:54):
I think the by election itself is going to generate
the interest. Probably going to see a fairly strong fight
between Labor and to Patti Mari over this, especially if
Penne Huner does stand for Labor. He's got such a
high profile two clashing ideas about how Maridom should go forward,
you know, whether within Labor and kind of within the

(31:15):
system or a direct challenge to the system through to
Patti Mari. The only interesting thing with that being held
in Auckland is, of course we've got the local elections
coming up in October, so these two things are going
to run into each other a week bit, so you're
going to see Aucklanders with a lot of election you're
in gooing on exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Having said all of that, does the controversial nature and
the forty two votes play in and what happens if
the report, which is the Serious Fraud Office comes back
in the ensuing period with something dramatic.

Speaker 20 (31:47):
Well, of course, you know with political you never quite
know what's going to happen. But yeah, certainly if the
Serious Thought Office did start to bring charges against people,
especially anyone involved into Patty Mari, that will enter into
the electoral calculus. We do know the fact that it
was only forty two volts means that you know it's
going to be a very type run thing. The other
complicating factor or a different factor this time, of course,

(32:10):
is going to be the sympathy factor. I suspect Party
Mari will run very strongly in a kind of legacy argument.
You know, let's honor the CDMP name by you know,
we're placing her with a Party Mari person. So all
of those things go into the politic in of it all.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Great inside, Andrew, you have a good week. I appreciate
it as always, Andrew get as Attager University law professor
Tim and it's past seven asking by FUNA or not
having a good week. Neither seemingly is the taxpayer. Are
they electioneering with this half hour raid asking people to
sign up for the Murray role? And why is money
for Mawana pacifica the rugby team part of their mandate allegedly.
Minister for Marie Development time of Potuker is with us.
Morning to you.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
Thanks sure, Mike.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
How you doing much very well? Indeed, on a scale
of one to ten of alarmism, how alarmed are you?

Speaker 10 (32:54):
I'm seriously concerned. And it's not about Final Order. It's
about the use of public money. Final Order is actually
going through a changeover transition and to Final Order two
point zero four new commission agencies and are they going
to go out and do the business? But the two incumbents,
two of the three, there's some issues and we need
to find out what's going on.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
What are you more alarmed about the Maori roll or
Malana PACIFICA Well.

Speaker 10 (33:17):
Just a bit of uncertainty around the use of public money.
So we just want to make sure that they've been
used for proper purpose. I'm not jumping to any conclusions,
but I have us Penny Corky look into it, get
an explanation and report back a set by today.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Why well, good, Why aren't you jumping to conclusions? Because
I have, and I think most of the people listening
to this have, and I cannot for the life of
me unless you can offer me some sort of explanation,
see why public money should be supporting a professional rugby team.

Speaker 10 (33:48):
Well, public money has been used to support a whole
range of sporting and recreational initiatives over there, Mike might say,
for example, the Rugby World Cup, and.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
This is supposed to be uplifting the pacific of the
Mari community in some way.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Well, we don't know exactly what the facts are around
the use of public moneys. That's why I've asked to
Puny quickly look into it, give an explanation, report back,
and now the I think liaising with the Office of
the Order to General to make sure that the lines
of inquiry appropriate.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Are you not personally responsible for this? You hand out
the money to an agency who then hands it out
to somebody else. Is nobody paying attention to where that
money goes and how it's spent.

Speaker 10 (34:27):
I am the Minister responsible for finer Order and that's
why I'm taking action to get to the bottom of it.
And then obviously we've put back through to my my
brank up hitter Christopher Laxm.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Having said that the broader issue race based funding. You
guys said the stops, how come it still going?

Speaker 10 (34:44):
Well, I think that's a little bit adjacent to the
final order cope uper. The final orders actually for everyone
and it helps deliver public services better than the government
can do locally. Centers are locally led in Fino center.
Now that can work in a variety of ways. But
Final Order is not just for Mary like it's for
everyone who needs total in that way.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I don't understand what you just said. What's t I
don't know you literally speaking the language I don't speak Tarner,
and I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (35:10):
I'll give you an explanation, total or support and you know,
and I know that sometimes government delivery of government services
doesn't work well. Fire Order in many respects has worked
very well to help move Farno into a better place.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Right Well, when you say Farner, is it Mari or
is it anybody? Because what happened to the ministry any
dovetailing with final Aura.

Speaker 10 (35:31):
Anyone can access far Order And it's not just through
the finer order appropriation that funding is given for these
types of types of activities and types of services.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Or in any way shape or formance race based funding.

Speaker 10 (35:46):
No, it's a different way of delivering public services and
actually sometimes it's a better way. As you know, government
has not necessarily delivered public services effectively, and so fireer
order is a different way of delivering public services.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Okay, When Mara Pekarakawa take says Mari issues don't come
to the fore in major political parties, is she correct?

Speaker 10 (36:08):
No? I don't think so.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
You look at all the words.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
What you see and that's why she's funding Tarma EATI
and ad agencies the tune of hundreds of thousands of
dollars to make a half hour AD. How do you
justify that?

Speaker 10 (36:17):
Well, I disagree with metapeka O color tape. For example,
Minister golds Mutht doing a huge amount of money to
settle treat He's amount of money to settle treaty claims,
Erica Stamford doing huge amount of money to support Kuta
Koppappa in immersion schools. There's a lot of things that
the government is doing to ensure that we not only
deal with some of the socio and economic challenges that

(36:40):
are facing mighty, but also with the outstanding historic treaty claims.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, but when she says something like that, to justify
what she's done with our money, you need to do
more than disagree with it, don't you. You need to
do something about it because she's wasting our money.

Speaker 10 (36:55):
Well, I think he's on to pay text Mike, and
that's why I've been very fit. And what's funny? Corkdy
to explain to me what is happening? BALI aising with
the Office of the Order to General now, and I
expect an explanation, a sip.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
If they don't give you an acceptable explanation, what are
you going to do?

Speaker 9 (37:13):
Well?

Speaker 10 (37:13):
Well, I expect them to give me an explanation, and
if that explanation is not consistent with our expectations, then
we'll take them matter further. But we'll not be yet.
We have to get the facts and find out what's
going on.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
When you're going to come back on this program and explain.

Speaker 10 (37:27):
It, well, well, I expect to get a report today,
but as you know, there are some other things going
on in the space with the parts of Malory leadership,
particularly with the recent passing of Titas Camp. So I
expected today and that's what I've asked for.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
What's I got to do with the Mary party? You
lost me there?

Speaker 9 (37:46):
This is fun?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
At what's fun? I don't understand what you just said.

Speaker 10 (37:51):
Well, the people that are involved with that particular ad
have also got an overlay with the party, Marty, you
and I both know that.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I'm sorry, So ROKOA takes a former party member? Yes,
and isn't that a conflict of interest in and of itself.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
Well, that's a matter that has to be explained to
me as well.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
But you knew that going in. Why wasn't explained previously?
Why does it take a problem like this for someone
to come back to you and explain. I mean, you
know who she is and where she's from and what
she thinks.

Speaker 10 (38:22):
Well, I thank you and I both know Mike that
the Public Services Commissioners looking at a whole range of
matters to do with confidentiality and conflicence of interest, and
they're reporting back to their minister on a on a
real basis in relation to these a whole range of
other matters.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Are you on top of your job?

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Okay, Well come back to me next week and we'll
talk some more, hopefully. Tama Potarker, who is the Minister
of Marie Development sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
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Speaker 2 (38:54):
That'd be yeah, Mike, if the money is for anyone,
then why doesn't have any dual not etcetera. That's some
I don't know that Farna Aura is actually for everybody
as he made claim, so I'll look at it over
the weekend. Talma Potaker seems totally out of his depth, Mike,
But then the balance, I don't think you were fair
with Tama just then, Mike. He's acted quickly Fittenwal has

(39:16):
he The point is asking for a report is a
political response to I would argue something you should have
been on top of in the first place, and this
twice removed thing. I give them money, who then give
the money to somebody else is still ultimately your responsible
as the minister on our behalf. And I can't see

(39:36):
a single logical, sensible reason that promoting the Mari role
is not electioneering, which they're not allowed to do. And
I can't see a single logical reason why supporting professional
rugby and Moana pacifica through an agency that has now
lost the contract and a team potentially goes bust because
of it, and money, by the way, is already written off.

(39:57):
That was the other part of the story that wasn't
widely covered yesterday. Money's already written If they need to
pay it back and they haven't paid it back and
that's been written off. So you and I paid for
that experiment, and what what has that got to do
with uplifting the community in which they are supposed to support. Anyway,
we'll come but there will be more on this next week.
Mark my words will come back and mark the week
in the moment seven twenty one.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
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Speaker 2 (40:24):
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Cosky seven twenty four. Time to mark the week, little
piece of news and current events that knows what the
effort's doing. Trump seven.

Speaker 13 (41:20):
They don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
All in all, five percent of NATO will cease fire,
that holds talks with a run next week. That's not
a bad week, Mark Rutter one and has sometimes your
strong language sick moment of the week Rob Penny eight
for the last year. That's that's one of sports great stories,
and I assume involves tremendous amounts of well deserved satisfaction.
Regional councils and capping right seven. Central government at its

(41:44):
best far now Aura and Tama Eati and Moana Pacificato.
Central government yet again missing the politically triggering stuff. They
promised to address Nicolaella's.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
For basic things.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Mit, writing letters isn't good governance, and after a while
a threat through letter or not is seen for what
it is. Peter Burling seven. We've wes him well, may
come back to bite them, of course too. David Seymour seven,
as acting Prime Minister in the House and in media.
A very solid, considered week. I reckon with a good
wit to go with it. Oil eight. What a joke

(42:18):
that was? Oh the price of a disaster until it wasn't.
Dunedin seven, like Hamilton last week, International travelers back, Melu
labar anyone Golden visa is eight. Now that is practical thinking,
making sensible difference. One hundred and eighty nine applications, eight
hundred million dollars worth of business. Let's go New Zealand.
Shane Jones sex thankspayer should not be paying for such madness.

(42:40):
He loves a headline. But the NAPOOI stuff, I mean
he's right, He's on the right note there. Jeff Bezos six.
If you ever want an example of sneering, losory, jealousy
and pointlessness, look at Venice and the tragics and they're
whining at the moment wealth and the pension too. Wat
Bum note of the week targeting those who actually worked
hard to save to help and retirement should never be

(43:02):
used as a punishment. And the retirement commissioner might like
to ask yourself whether she understands her job. School holiday
seven oh good luck at the airport seven hundred and
forty five thousand non in New Zealand alone these next
couple of weeks, and that is the week copies on
the website and due to the long weekend, this was
twenty percent worse than last week's. Like I work for
Pacific Futures, Varna or a provider, our contract states how

(43:24):
farner our services and dollars is only for indigenous specifica
communities in New Zealand. Fair point. But that doesn't mean
Tama was wrong in the sense that yes, your contract
is specific to your area, doesn't mean money's went elsewhere.
That wasn't related to the Pacific or Marray community. But
we are our research department is dispatching over the weekend

(43:45):
and they're going to do the sixth then the seventh day.
That's not going to help productivity, it's not going to
help the work life balance. But I'll tell you what
it is going to do. It's going to provide us
with a little bit of evidence. We might well be
presenting to the Prime Minister who's probably still suffering with
jet lag and will be regretting if a coming into
the studio on Monday. We'll see how that goes for us. Now, meantime,
one two seven or is it one seven two? I'm
getting my numbers confused. It's one two seven, it's one

(44:07):
two seven b it's education. Yes, folks, all the thousands
of people have emailed me this week telling me that
the end of the world is coming. This is all
race based. The wocust minister in the world of the
Education Minister, Erica Stamford is entrenching the Treaty in education.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Is it true?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
She's next?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
New Zealand's Voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
breakfast with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News togs
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Speaker 2 (44:32):
Three minutes away from A two and KD after eight
and when tour has just announced she is stepping down
and seeking a replacement. Editor in chief, one of the
most famous names in the world of fashion. Ever, very
very good document documentary on Disney on Clogue in the
history of so am and who are just announcing that
right back home. Let's let's dip in, dip our toe

(44:55):
into one two seven b gaate. The interweb is a
wathed currently with people writing to meet telling me Erica
Stamford is the wokest minister in the government and under
the cover of Dartan she is snuck into legislation currently
before select Committee, a committee to the commitment to the
Treaty that entrenches it in a way we should all
be alarmed about. And Erica Stamford is of course the
Ministry of Education and is with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike,

(45:18):
how im? I'm well indeed, you say, what have you
seen these emails? By the way, and this has become
a thing this week.

Speaker 22 (45:26):
Well, of course I have, Mike. I mean, this is
what happens when you get a bunch of people who
get all whipped up with hatred and frothing at the
mouth and spouting complete and utter garbage lies. Guess what
happens to politicians, you know, I get sent emails and
messages and all sorts of things telling me how what
an awful person I am, but all based on complete
and utter rubbish, complete lies. There is not a single

(45:49):
thing I've said that has got an ounce of truth to.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
It represents the public on their behalf right. I represents
one of the boldest attempts yet to entrench co governance
and identity politics in the CLOM true or not.

Speaker 22 (46:02):
No is trio muri being made compulsory in the classroom.
No is co governance being entrenched in the education system.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
No.

Speaker 22 (46:11):
Did I put a treaty waiting a clause in section
one two seven. No, none of those things are correct
at all. There was an existing clause, and when we
went through the process there were some legitimate questions raised
about whether or not there should be a treaty clause
for boards of trustees, and, as it is their job,
legitimate questions and I agree they are legitimate questions. And

(46:32):
so now this whole piece of work has been included
in the work that Paul Goldsmith is doing with his
review of treaty clauses, not only in the Education Act,
but in lots of pieces of legislation. So they're all
up in arms about absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Right, let me read you this section one two seven
gives effect to relevant student rights set out in the ZAC.
The New Zealand Bill of Right Tech Nineteen ninety and
Human Rights Tech nineteen ninety three. When students are made
to sing Mari prayers, being made to sing Kurrike's karake
gives no consideration of the person's own culture or religion,
massively offensive. Why is this forced on students? That violates

(47:06):
their Section thirteen right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion,
and belief, including the right to adopt and hold opinions
without reference. Is any of that true?

Speaker 22 (47:16):
Schools may well be doing that, And that's why I've
said it's a very legitimate question as to whether or
not there should be a treaty clause in what boards
have to do in their obligations. But by the way,
these treaty clauses are throughout the Education Act. You take
it out of two seven, fine, and it's a legitimate
question as to whether or not it should be there.

(47:36):
They exist all over the place. You take it out
of there, it exists somewhere else. That's why we need
to have a proper, thorough review of all of these clauses,
where they sit, what is the purpose, and what are
they leading to. Now You've also got to remember schools
are independent agencies. They have all like little mini crown entities.
They make their own decisions about what they do. Does

(47:57):
section one two seven have any bearing on that? Maybe
maybe not. As I say, legitimate question, and we're going
to look at it. We are currently looking at.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
It, right, but in looking at it with a view
to do what.

Speaker 22 (48:09):
Well, exactly what you've just said. There are legitimate questions
around whether or not a board should be involved in
deciding whether or not my totung Amari and Tao Maari
and TiO marii should be included in the curriculum. Those
are legitimate questions that should be answered. But it's not
only in that section. It's in section four, section six,
section thirty two. Like I could name you a dozen

(48:30):
clauses that it's currently in.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, but the one seven I mean, to the extent
the people who write and have whipped this up, it
is correct to say it is in there, and therefore
the outworking of that means that some of the stuff
that they're talking about does, in fact and can happen.
Therefore they are correct.

Speaker 22 (48:50):
Well, hold on a minute, it likely would probably happen
at those schools regardless of section one two seven. The
more important thing is, yes, it's there. I didn't put
it there like that, claiming it's been there for a
very long time. Should it be looked at? Are there
legitimate questions? Yes, which is why we're looking at it.
But like I say, it's in many other places, and

(49:12):
schools will use those other places to legitimize their use
of cut of care if they should wish to. So
it needs a proper, thorough, careful look at to work
out what are the what is the purpose of the
treaty in education? Does it have a place, where should
it sit? Who has responsibility for it? Not just chest
thumping about one little part in section one two seven

(49:34):
to make ourselves all feel good when actually it won't
make a blind bit of difference. When what we should
be worried about is student outcomes, which.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Is yeah, but Erica, this is where we get into
the difficult part. I think this is probably in its
own way misguided or not. What drives this, and what
drives it is we want some attendance, and we want
some past marks, and we want some kids getting graduating
with actual qualifications, when what we appear to be doing
is spending a tremendous amount of time down this particular
rabbit hole on schools who fixate on aspects of life

(50:03):
that many would argue are not productible or conducive to
a better tomorrow in a brighter future.

Speaker 22 (50:10):
Well that's what I'm focused on, a better tomorrow, a
brighter future. With our massive reform program and our day
of reading and writing a Math's a complete overhaul of
the curriculum to make it knowledge rich year by year,
internationally comparable training, tens of thousands of teachers, and structured literacy,
structured maths sending out eight hundred and thirty thousand maths
books this year. We are up to our eyeballs and
making sure that kids who turn up to school getting

(50:31):
the very best education. This is a sideshow. All the
work I've been doing is to make sure that kids
are achieving at school and they're turning up to school.
That's the important thing. All this Hobson's Pledge stuff is
a bunch of people yelling at the sky and frothing
at the mouth with hatred, where it's actually not going
to make a blind bit of difference to student outcomes.

(50:51):
Because the work that I'm doing, that's the stuff that matters.
Structured literacy, structured maths with knowledge rich curriculum. That's the
stuff that matters.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
There are too much Mari in schools.

Speaker 22 (51:06):
Depends which school you go to, Mike, If you're a
school on the East Coast with ninety percent Mary students
and they want to speak today as part of their curriculum,
that's very different than another school who might have a
couple of Marie students who wants to be able to
teach their children to say everyday words in Mari so
that you can live your life and understand words like
KaiA and muana and faro and stuff and how to

(51:27):
pronounce them correctly. It depends. I mean, would you say
to a school in Auckland with two Marty students compared
to a school in the East Coast with eighty percent
Marty students, you must all do the same, of course
not probably not right.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
But I can tell you the risk of going down
a rabbit hole again. I know a commerce exam that
was held the other day at University that commerce that
asked a Mari question. It's got nothing to do with commerce,
but there's a leaning, there's a bent. There's no vert
practice towards mardom or the moraification of New Zealand and education,
whether seems applicable or obvious or not.

Speaker 22 (52:02):
It's everywhere, Mike. You go on a bus at the
moment and the thing you see signs in today, Amada.
You go to a supermarket in your will the other
day and the signs are bilingual signs. It's happening everywhere.
So it's not blame the education not.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Blaming the education system, but there is a frissons in
this country as a result, and you give very good
examples as I And a lot of that costs money,
and a lot of that cost money that we're spending.
And it's a it's a thing. It's become, you know,
it's the thing of the day, and a lot of
people are questioning whether we've gone too far.

Speaker 22 (52:35):
I don't know about that. The thing of the day
is reading, writing, and maths in our brand new curriculum.
You go to any school right now what I want
them to be focused on and what they are and
it's a lot. I've asked them to implement two new
curricula in one year, and I know it's a huge amount.
Those teachers right now are unpacking a massively knowledge rich
English and maths curriculum that we've not seen in this

(52:56):
country for decades, and they're trying to make sure they're
getting on top of it and teaching their kids in
a structured, explicit way. That's what they're focusing on. You
go into any classroom, they've all got their maths books
that we have provided out, their structured literacy books that
they're doing their hour a day. I mean, we are
undertaking the biggest reform and education worried about what matters
for student outcomes and this other stuff is Look, I

(53:19):
get it's important, and we are we are looking at it,
and it's their legitimate questions to be asked but actually answered.
But actually what matters is the.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
That's a shame yet again, WhatsApp lets us down what matters?
Will We'll get the words and we'll have them for
you after the break fourteen too, the.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
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Speaker 2 (53:46):
That'd be important point to make. The final words, we're
raising student achievement, by the way, So we contacted her.
She put herself on hold of the WhatsApp broke down
or whatever it was. So raising student achievement is what
she was going to finish with. Important to point out
the Goldsmith review is a compro from within the government.
There are some of the government who wanted those that
clause dropped completely for clarity, because of course the clause

(54:07):
places are required on the board to reduce choice. So
if you're a board who doesn't want to have anything
to do with to Rail or murray whatever, you're pressured
into it. So the review is the compromise and it
depends what happens with the view. The unfortunate aspect, excuse me,
is that Goldsmith's in charge of the review and if
his review takes as long as is pooy deal, it's

(54:29):
a very expensive exercise and could take away. It's two
thirds of the way through. No, he hasn't, Glenn, That's
just a number he came up with. You only know
you two thirds of the way through if you know
where the finishing point is, because then you can measure it.
When there is no finishing point, you don't know where
you are. Mike High Hi do you two?

Speaker 6 (54:48):
Hi?

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
A fired up Erica Stanford outstanding need more? Thank you?
Neil Erica Stanford seems very defensive. A disappointing interview. There
you go straight down the middle.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
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Speaker 2 (55:05):
By the Way from night update on Auckland's infamous CRL.
The Central rail Link new forecast for patronage is nineteen
thousand people and ours that good don't know was twenty
seven thousand. So what happened to all the extra people?
Stacy Vanderputten is the Public Transport Director at AT and
it's with us, Stacy, good morning, good morning. What happened
to all the other people?

Speaker 23 (55:23):
Well, I think we're sort of confusing a couple of
things here. There's what i'd call design capacity, and then
there's in terms of what is looking at in the
forward program for timetabling as well as patronage is mixed
them with that too. I can see all these things
have kind of merged, and I understand it looks murky,
but I mean fundamentally, what we're doing going into this

(55:46):
commencement of City rail Link is increasing capacity, and that's capacity,
not patronage by sixty percent of what it is today.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Understand that terribly more. I was told by your comms guys,
twenty seven thousand was never achievable and you needed six
trains at once and you don't even have six trains,
is that true?

Speaker 23 (56:05):
Well, yes, and Norwich. So there's a couple of things
to unpack with that. So twenty seven thousand passengers per
hour is what the forward plan looks like, but there's
obviously a progress to get there based on demand and
further investment. That's always been the case. The actual business
case the City rail Link was fifteen trains per hour.
We're actually commencing with sixteen trains per hour. So there's

(56:28):
different what i'd call progress in order to get to
that twenty seven thousand per hour, but there's a planned
approach to doing it. Starting with that would be economically
irresponsible because you know, you've got to drive that demand.
It's already a significant increase.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Very fair point at nineteen thousand. We should point out
even at nineteen thousand, it's a fifty percent increase in patronage.
That's a push, isn't it. I mean it may be
that you never you never see a full train. In
other words, it doesn't work.

Speaker 23 (56:54):
No, I highly doubt that. I think you know, this
is a huge game changer for Auckland. I mean, the
work has had considerable disruption over a prolong time, and
it is going to take a little effort in order
to get people to have the confidence in the train
network again. So that will take time, but it will happen.
I know there's a lot of enthusiasm for it among

(57:14):
who among Auckland is Yeah, they've been anticipating this for
a really long time.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Have you done a survey?

Speaker 23 (57:22):
Yeah, I mean this is great for Auckland. You've got
to look at what it does from an economical perspective.
You know, it helps people move around and that's what
we need to be doing in order to be able
to make our roads more free for the people that
actually need to use them. While having these options is important.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Sure, what did the surveys say?

Speaker 23 (57:41):
The survey stays that everybody wants a reliable, stable train network.
That's something that's been compromised in recent years.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Appreciate your time, Stacy, have a good weekend, Stacy vander
Puttin right, Goldsmith po Tarker, Stanford vander putin.

Speaker 9 (58:06):
Rank.

Speaker 7 (58:07):
I feel like Accountability Friday is not going quite as
well as I'd hoped.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Rank them for me, I'll do it okay for me?
Stanford hands down, first, it was a very large pauses there.
Though it was a pause, it wasn't perfect, and so
it's perfect. I just said she was the best of
the four. Poe Tarker had a big pause in there
as well. Goldsmith was enthusiastic and yet unconvincing. And I

(58:35):
thought Van Poot was Morgie, use a new word, give
her points for that. Use us next, and then we'll
google week Mazarie.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Mike Hosking would have been stateful, engaging and vital.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
The Mic Hosking.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Breakfast with the Defender actor the most powerful Defender ever
made and used togsad.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Be how many? How many albums come out there?

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Not as many as you might think.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Well, I don't think many. I would say two would
want to But we play too every week, that's true,
So we're playing literally everything comes out some weeks other weeks.
There's heaps because this is just complete crap, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (59:27):
Well I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I don't mind it is the band called fairy Land Codex,
or is the band called Tropical f Storm?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Well it's not called Tropical f Storm.

Speaker 9 (59:38):
I thought we were allowed to say that word.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Now that we weren't. Everyone, So let's call the album
Tropical Left Storm.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Oh no, that would be wrong, because that's the name
of the band.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Let's call the band Tropical Left Storm, and let's call
the album Prai Land Codex. Okay, cool, So the chaotic
sound reaches new levels of intensity. See that's what it's
doing now. Yeah, they canceled all the tour in twenty
twenty three, and they slowed down their recording output, and
we probably all breathed a sigh of release. Upon listening,

(01:00:08):
and upon deeper listening, it becomes clear that some of
the album's most overpowering moments of those that first come
on as slight and retiring, but reveal their anger, disappointment,
of frustration by way of a slow st Anymore, What
About You fifteen minutes and thirty seven seconds over ten
glorious tracks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
The Week in Review with two degrees Fighting for Fear
for Kiwi Business.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Tim Wilson, Good morning, Good mornings, Kate Hawks. Well that's
a very poor connection we've got. Hopefully we'll do something
about that, Kate Hawk's be good morning, good morning.

Speaker 24 (01:00:43):
I'm surprised you didn't ask Glenn to play our big
discovery this week. The song were discovered by Laurie in fact,
he can surely play it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
By the end of the she you can dig it
up by the end of the show. Laurie McKenna, Mary
spelled Alo Ri Laurie McKenna. People people get older, Glen
look out. It's absolutely brilliant. Let me give you the line.
Time is a thief. Time is a thief. Pain is
a gift. The past is the past.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
That's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's Gloria McKenna.

Speaker 22 (01:01:19):
And just wasted on the young, which is great, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Nothing and you'll like this, Tim, You'll like this Tim.
Nothing says love like a band of gold. It's it's
Laurie McKennon. And it beats, it beats, it beats sold
Codex Tropical left Storm, I can tell you that's oh
my goodness. You know, you know why they stopped.

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
They didn't have their tour because no one wanted to
come right exactly, That's why they in the twenty twenties,
how do I'm just.

Speaker 24 (01:01:46):
Wondering if when Sam gets your morning coffee these days,
maybe splosh some vodka or something and it just takes
the edge off. Because I was listening to you with
Ministers of the crown this morning, one after the other,
falling like dominoes. And I thought to myself, if you're depressed,
I'm depressed. We're all depressed. It's like I feel like
we're stuck in a time warp, Like the bar has
been dropped so low these days. It feels like everyone's

(01:02:08):
just pushing pens around their desks. Nobody wants to act,
nobody wants to make a decision. You know, how do
you move forward as a country when everyone just wants
to play it safe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He's a good question.

Speaker 24 (01:02:16):
It maybe just provide vodka for the listeners as well.

Speaker 22 (01:02:18):
At this point, I.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
Got a podcast the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
I got an email overnight from a New Zealander who
does quite a lot of traveling and he emails me
periodically on his travels. And he's been in America in
various cities over the last week or so, and he
does the same thing every time. He says, what he
can't believe having been in America this week is no
one he ran into, and he ran into. He's been
at conferences and stuff, so he's met running the many
dozens of not hundreds of people. And he also he

(01:02:42):
rates Uber drivers. Uber drivers sitt in the cow twelve
hours a day and they listen to a million different conversations,
so he rates them as very you know, in touch
people with what's going on. He claims, in the last
week or slightly more than a week, not a single
person he's run into in America has mentioned Iran, bombs, Trump,
or politics of any nature. They're too busy getting on

(01:03:02):
with life.

Speaker 23 (01:03:05):
That's interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
Yeah, that's that's that's odd because I would expect America
to be more politicized than healing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
For example, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Reckon, I reckon. There's a trunk of America that's politicized,
and they're the same people who are onto the one
two seven thing. Erica Stanford whipping himself.

Speaker 13 (01:03:22):
You gave her, you gave her points for that.

Speaker 24 (01:03:24):
I actually think she boxed around that interview. I think
she was a bit of an own goal because she
ended up admitting, you know, she started off by saying
it's absolute rubbish, and and then she ended up saying, oh, yes,
yes it is in there.

Speaker 22 (01:03:35):
It's just wait what.

Speaker 12 (01:03:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
I gave her points. No, no, no, I gave her
points because of the four people we've had on this morning,
she was the best of a losery bunch howering of
the bar, isn't it exactly? That's exactly what I'm trying
to say. I've got I've got people on here this
morning that could be uplifting us, and every single one
of them, in their own way, has proved to be inadequate.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
So, Mike's actually he's lying the bar to encourage Erica
to lift up. He's doing he's doing the fatherly thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
What I want is people to be better.

Speaker 24 (01:04:08):
Yeah, Paul Goldsmith, that was really disappointing. I was just
thinking when you start to say, well, we might be
two or three more years away, are you you know
that's you know, you may not even have that luxury
of being around that long mate, Like pull your head exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I would see that as a person.

Speaker 7 (01:04:24):
Can we have a review of reviews? Can we just
can we just pull us back? We'll get you know how,
We've got the regulatory standards principles. Can we have a
review principles bill that says reviews have to be done
in two weeks?

Speaker 24 (01:04:36):
Why is this government doing so many reviews?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
That's that was the last governments, last goverments, and then
that's that may well be while they're in the trouble
they're in quick comment and I will I will talk
to you, Tim, because you've embarrassed yourself badly this week.
But that's for after the break quick quick comment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I thought you were going to pull back from this this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Once people hear what's going on, they will be on
my side. But hold on, just my quick coming to
you wouldn't mind Katie on and to win tour and
a win tour? How big a deal is this? When
do you know, after all of those years, what a
wonderful woman. I love her. I love her almost as
much as love her I love the Princess of Wales.

Speaker 22 (01:05:13):
Okay, why Winter so much?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Because what a story? Not a legacy? Forty yeah, okay,
so she's hard to work with, but so am I.
But forty years.

Speaker 24 (01:05:26):
She's next level. I mean, at the heart of it,
you're actually a decent person.

Speaker 7 (01:05:29):
I don't think she y, yeah, you're You're just annoying.
She's Malloice exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:05:35):
She is the devil.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
On that note, we'll take a brief break thirteen past.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
The table Katie and Tim with us. I was just
watching pictures of Jibb's aws and Venice, did Oprah's there
and Ushes there? Do you think if you Jeff Bezos,
do you reckon? He knows all these people are just
in by its famous people.

Speaker 9 (01:06:06):
That's actually Lauren.

Speaker 24 (01:06:07):
His wife's a real socialite schmoozer with these celebrities, so
she'd know them all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Exactly how new is her face?

Speaker 9 (01:06:16):
It doesn't look real.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
It's not well done, well spotted, well spotted to Unfortunately.

Speaker 9 (01:06:21):
Did she get it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Did she get it from Tim?

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
It just doesn't seem to be working for her.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
That's the thing I've always understood, which brings us, I
guess to a zimpec and we go you next week.
The thing I've never understood about people who get plastic surgery,
especially people with a lot of money. Why do you
cock it up.

Speaker 21 (01:06:39):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:06:39):
Why do you end up looking like someone who's head
plastic surgery?

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Exactly what the point of plastic surgery was? You can't
really tell.

Speaker 24 (01:06:46):
The beasts are a further ahead on this because they're
doing I think what they call Mike Crow micro treatments
or micro something, whereby it's so subtle that you really
can't tell, whereas the Americans are still doing that hardcore wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Dolly Parton is the best example. You're twenty Dolly Parton,
Dolly Partner. If you look at Dolly Parton's face, although
she's I think one hundred and three or one hundred
and four by now, is a superb example of brilliant
plastic surgery. She looks fantastic, whereas if you look at Sanchiez,
she looks like she went to someone practiced on her.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
And Doline, I mean, Dolly, pardon amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
So here's the thing, Katie and listeners. Tim is talking
to us injured and is sitting on ACC as we
speak this morning. Here's another one of the six million people,
at a cost of seven billion dollars to the taxpayer,
sitting on ACC this morning. And do you want me, Tim,
or do you want you to explain why you're on ACC?

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Well, I would like to pick up the well.

Speaker 7 (01:07:49):
I think it's a frisbee you've thrown to me, but
it's dropped at my feet. I'll pick it up with
my left hand because my right wrist is broken. I
will to do a public health warning about magnolia seed
pods because darkness plus gravity plus murderous magnolia seed pods
equals disaster, particularly if you're a clutch like me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
He stood well the other day when I saw you,
you said it was a pine cone. So you from
a pine cone to a magnolia seed bud.

Speaker 7 (01:08:17):
And I've upgraded it because there's there's there's a bit
of a there's a thing happening here, and I'm going
to be the poster child for magnolia seed pods.

Speaker 22 (01:08:25):
You fell over in your own garden?

Speaker 24 (01:08:27):
Did you fall over in your own garden?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
I was on the side of that. It was on
the foot path. So he's on the foot not looking
falls over. Here's the deal, next stop, next do so.

Speaker 7 (01:08:42):
So I'm in there. I went to the hill for
something else, going to see Mike. I've got my cast on.
And you would understand this, Kate, just the tsunami of
bile derision and.

Speaker 24 (01:08:55):
Attacking the abuse would be firing up.

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
It was just like, well, have you done yoursel?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Have you been running again? Were you on a scooter?
You loser?

Speaker 7 (01:09:03):
Wait a minute, are you on acc who's paying for this?
Am I paying for this? And I'm just like, I
just want to I just want to feel safe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
For the record, when acc they do the X number
of people fell off a latter twelve hundred people were
in construction, you know, six thousand people in forestry. How
many other people do you think fell over a seed pod?

Speaker 7 (01:09:26):
Well, I've run into the data and ended ta waka kotai.
They do seven hundred pedestrian injuries a year. They don't
disaggregate for seed pods. I think the government it's going
after all the wrong things. They need to get these
statistics on the table so people can be safe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Mike, seven hundred per year. That's two people per day
potentially falling over a seed pod.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 22 (01:09:51):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
The most embarrassing injury you've ever had?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
No?

Speaker 24 (01:09:55):
Coming on with scooter must be worse.

Speaker 7 (01:09:57):
So what I'm going to do is I've given up goating,
running and walking.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I'm in bed. I'm staying in bed.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
I'm not going to cost anyone any more damn money.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Nice to see you, guys. Let's listen to Laurie.

Speaker 14 (01:10:08):
I know it too long, they'll be running up making
a life just like you did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Houses need paint? When does bring snow?

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Not just said love like a band?

Speaker 14 (01:10:23):
The gold babies grow up and houses get sold in
that tell it's good.

Speaker 9 (01:10:28):
Here's the listener.

Speaker 5 (01:10:29):
Dynasty pains gift, The Beast is fast.

Speaker 18 (01:10:34):
It is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Every line on your face tells a story to somebody know.
It's just so good.

Speaker 21 (01:10:44):
Live long.

Speaker 9 (01:10:47):
The people you love.

Speaker 21 (01:10:50):
Get old.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Another thing I've discovered this week. Never heard of it,
didn't any of the music. So there's a discovery.

Speaker 9 (01:10:58):
If you like it.

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Speaker 19 (01:12:16):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
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I thought it was pickable when I told you it
was pickable yesterday. I was of the belief it was pickable,
wasn't pickaball a squash, So she went just just ordinary
every day, regular, every day squash, boring old fashioned squash.
And so it was sort of supposed to be in
some way shape or form paddle ball. But I think
that she's going from squash two pedal ball. So warm

(01:12:37):
it up on the squash, get into the peddle ball.
It was never pickled as that's like altitude training. It
might be similar. You warm up into something it's you know,
and then you do something easier. I think you're I
think you're ready for the different to racketball? Is squash
different to racketball? Racketballs just shure squash is the same
as racketball, except with shorter rackets. It's a good question,
Thoughpening Well raised just before the news Mike, I went

(01:12:58):
saw If Won the movie last night. It's fantastic. I'm
getting quite a bit of feedback on that. A number
of you week to the movies last night, Open Thursday,
and you speak well of it. So that's encouraging and
it'll be good because it's not like it hasn't been
sure to hide news for you in a couple of
moments an hour, Old mate Murray.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
His next.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
News opinion and everything in between, the make Hosking Breakfast
with Bailey's real Estate doing real estate differently since nineteen
seventy three news Togsa'd.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Been if you're heading off for the school holidays to Europe,
that's the thing. I'm still going to agree. Yesterday's at
the hair dress yesterday and I said, is it just me?
But this everyone goes to Europe thing in the middle
of the year. Has that become a thing? He said
he could not tell me the number of people he's
dealt with in the last week who were getting their
hair done in preparation for the school holidays to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Go to Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
And so seven hundred and forty five thousand Forrey New
Zealand alone, allegedly, or so they keeping. Did we get
to the bottom of that? Do we do those numbers
yesterday and work it out? I was still trying, Are
we it's good enough? Sam? Don't tum a po tucker me.
We're still trying anyway?

Speaker 10 (01:14:03):
Where was I?

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
So it is the thing that it has become a thing.
People leave New Zealand in August, July, June for Europe,
and so I can allud you to the fact that
the second heat wave of twenty twenty five is coming
for Britain this weekend thirty. It's going to get ugly
in the first part of next week if you regard
thirty as being ugly as opposed to just mildly warm
if you live in a place like Sidney. Hottest day

(01:14:25):
of twenty twenty five was June twenty one, that was
in Charlwood, Surrey, where it got to thirty three point two.
Hottest start to Wimbledon. Previous record twenty nine point three
that was two thousand and one, so it may be broken.
And glastow record for Glastow currently is thirty one point
two that was in twenty seventeen, so Rod might fade,

(01:14:47):
you know what I mean? Twenty two to.

Speaker 15 (01:14:48):
Nine International correspondence with ends at Eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business now make Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Olds as well us morning man.

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
How are you, Michael? Very good morning? Pretty well, thank
you pretty good?

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Good? Are you moving house?

Speaker 9 (01:15:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Well, I'm just reading this morning. Barangaroo Yes, three well,
Barangaroo three level penthouse just sold for the new record
of one hundred and forty one point five five million
dollars and I assumed it was you.

Speaker 14 (01:15:17):
No, no, no, it's not me, like I was the
underbidd I was beaten by a fabulously wealthy Chinese businessman.

Speaker 9 (01:15:25):
He was also bought the level below.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Oh okay, sixteen. It's very nice people who stopped by,
exactly down on them on your level and you go downstairs.
Sixteen hundred squares, nine beds entry for you, of course,
as you'd expect, eight meter high ceilings, rooftop swimming, full
spad gym. It broke the And this is the interesting
thing for me is that do you know the building?
It's the one Sydney Harbor, the seventy you know, beautiful ones.

Speaker 14 (01:15:49):
It's the most glorious looking building and Sydney very phallic. Yeah,
but when you see it with the sun coming off it,
it's just absolutely beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Guy, I did it, Renzo Piano un four name. He's
done the shard which I like, and the pop of
the Centa Popado in Paris. That's his building.

Speaker 9 (01:16:07):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
What interests me is, I don't know if you're into building.
I'm into building. But it's broken one hundred thousand dollars
a square meter, which is a gob smacking amount of
money you.

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
Think surely is absolutely right.

Speaker 14 (01:16:22):
I mean, you know, the average price of a house
now in Australia is a million dollars million Australian dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
But at that price, you're getting a ten meter house.

Speaker 9 (01:16:30):
It's not They're correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
I wouldn't be ready to move in a ten meter house?

Speaker 9 (01:16:33):
Is good?

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Defense spending miles went, I notice and got stuck in
the photo at the top right corner. Didn't meet Trump.
So where he at with your five percent?

Speaker 14 (01:16:46):
Well, we're not going to five percent, the federal government says,
we're we're going to lift it from two percent of
gross domestic product to two point three percent by twenty twenty,
by twenty thirty three thirty four, and the pharaohs on ease.

Speaker 9 (01:17:00):
He's concerned. That's that's where it's going to be.

Speaker 14 (01:17:03):
We're not going to get bullied by the United States
if it's all about trade surpluses. In twenty twenty four,
eighteen billion dollars the surplus in favor of the United
States and Australia is on the hook for four hundred
billion dollars of nuclear powered submarines, allegedly to be supplied
by the United States. We get three second hand ones

(01:17:24):
sometime in the twenty thirties. I mean, I'm not sure
who in Australia thinks it's a good idea to get
bullied by Washington when you know everything is an Australia's favor.
We are committed to buying these ridiculous body submarines, you know,
And there's a thirty day review now that America is conducting.
Is it still feasible? Is it still desirable to sell

(01:17:46):
Australia these subs. What Australia should be doing is amplifying
what it's already done as roll out in the welcome
mat for the American nuclear submarine fleet that they can
have a home port in Western Australia, they can stationed
marines up and darw and they could do all sorts
of stuff on Australian real estate. But to buy these
sub we haven't got the crew for one submarine. What

(01:18:08):
the hell are we doing buying seven or eight with
whatever the heck it is out to twenty sixties, We'll
be in the grave. It's just ridiculous. We should be
buying stuff that matters here and now, and stuff that
can be done here in Australia.

Speaker 9 (01:18:19):
That's building missiles and drones.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I should have raised this a moment ago. Your inflation number,
by the way, congratulations on that, because that seems like
a good, rock solid you.

Speaker 9 (01:18:28):
Know, twelve months to May. Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Yeah, the core is down as well, which is our problem.
Our problem is that the standard headline is down, but
the core is a problem. Prices are still rising. But
I read the other day and you'd know about this.
I mean, is fomo's back in real estate? People they
say are borrowing like there's no tomorrow. They think the
prices are going to go up. They've got to get
in all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
Is that true? Absolutely right.

Speaker 14 (01:18:50):
I mean they're talking now another three rate cuts between
now and Christmas. And as rate cuts go down, the
real estate market starts heating up. As you well know,
it's just supply and demand. If you've got more money
to spend, and you know, lenders are more willing to
lend because you know the rates are heading down. It's
right in a sweet spot. In fact, it's the low
end of the sweet spot for the Reserve Bank of Australia.

(01:19:12):
So yes, rates are coming down and that will absolutely
far up the market you've got. But you know, you've
got extraordinary numbers of immigrants as well coming in. That's
something the opposition is howling about, and the government makes
no apologies. It says, well, the immigration rate is actually
is keeping the ecolomy going.

Speaker 9 (01:19:30):
People are out there.

Speaker 14 (01:19:31):
Coming in buying fridges and beds and sofas and washing machines,
and they're keeping the joint going.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Is My question is, and I run the risk of
upsetting you because you may know these people, who's more annoying,
Who's more annoying? The ABC or Antoinette Latouf.

Speaker 14 (01:19:47):
Well, look, I work for one and I find the
other very annoying. But the fact of the matter is,
as a fifty as a journalist for fifty years, what
she did was not deserving of being sacked. I mean, goodness,
meeting No, the story had already been run on the news.
We see news for God's sake, and then she reposts it.
You know, the fact that the Human Rights Organization alleges

(01:20:08):
that starvation is being used as a weapon of war
in Gaza, and you know, she's punted. And the thing is,
I think a lot of people were very very upset
that there's a very vocal and very well organized pro
Israel lobby in Australia and that's that's fine.

Speaker 9 (01:20:22):
You go as hard as you want.

Speaker 14 (01:20:23):
Is an equally strong and vociferous pro Palestinian lobby here
in Sydney, and that's fine too, that's what you know.
It's all about free speech. But for her then to
get all over the coals and punted and then, I
mean it was a one week fill in shift.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
But that's me But Murray, that's the point. What is
the matter with the ABC? Because you work for them,
you would know. So she's on a five day contract
after day two and she was a noisemaker anyway, they
knew who she was reputationally speaking. And then also the
Work Act in Australia quite clearly says you can't sack
people for having an opinion. So knowing all of that,

(01:21:00):
they think that spending a million dollars on a lawyer
is smart play, do they?

Speaker 9 (01:21:04):
Well? That panicked. They panicked.

Speaker 14 (01:21:06):
The upper echelons panicked because they're getting emails from you know,
leading pro Israel figures here in Australia. They all had,
you know, the email for the bosses of the ABC,
and the decision was made by a lower down executive
to give her a flick.

Speaker 9 (01:21:21):
Now she went away.

Speaker 14 (01:21:23):
She came back with legal representation and offered a settle
for eighty five kas. Absolutely not no, no, no, no no.
So she went to the Fair Work people. She'd been
awarded seventy thousand dollars for unfair dismissal. As you say,
the legal build of the ABC, we'll over one point
one million dollars and there's the chance of punitive damages
next week.

Speaker 9 (01:21:42):
I think it's next week and heavens and not have
buddy big? Is that going to be norm.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
That'll be the problem? Does anyone does anyone's headge role
at the ABC because of this? I mean the government
can't be looking at this thinking this is fun.

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
No, it's not fun. And the person responsible is well
he left last year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
So no more.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Just just at the risk of being dreadfully superficial because
I am running a book on this. Guilty or not
guilty today, I mean it will be today. I mean,
how long is the judge going to take to you know,
send them out.

Speaker 14 (01:22:12):
He's going to be continuing today, They'll be sent out
and in fact he's going to keep going into a Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Pous Oh that's right. He's got. He's given them to
day off, isn't he. I think I think they're taking
the day off or part of the day off, and
they're coming back on Monday.

Speaker 14 (01:22:26):
I read that somewhere last night, and I've got an idea.
If they are off today, it's only half a day
and weekend off, and then they go back on Monday.
He will finish the summing up and will then be
sent away. And I mean, look, it's where's my notes here?
It said it was ninth week. Next week will be
the tenth week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
It's ridiculous, extraordinary, extraordinary.

Speaker 14 (01:22:44):
And you know she's accused of three murders and one
attempted murder, deliberately poisoning family members.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I think she's as guilty as and obviously so my
wife says she'll get off. Steve Price says she'll probably
get off.

Speaker 9 (01:22:57):
Well, you see where the judge is going here.

Speaker 14 (01:23:00):
He said, listen, the prosecution must prove Mike to the
ultimate standard, that is beyond reasonable doubt.

Speaker 9 (01:23:05):
If there's any doubt at all, you must have quit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
And they need and Victoria's got the whole thing, don't they.
That's twelve out of twelve. There's no eleven one, ten
to two. That's they've all got to be unanimous.

Speaker 14 (01:23:15):
Interestingly, there are fourteen jurors that have sat through all
of this and there's to be a ballot today to
get rid of.

Speaker 9 (01:23:21):
To with them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Interesting. All right, mate, go well, you have a good weekend.
We'll catch up soon. Murray Old's thirteen Away from nine.

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thing just before we live Australia they cracked a million
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allowed under US law. He rejected, though Anthropics request to
dismiss the case because the film would have to stand
trial over its use of pirated copies to build its
library material. They've got a lot of these pirated copies,
more than seven million of them. So this is one
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That that's some decisions. That's about as bad as I
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side Broncos. That was I can't remember it was that
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