June 20, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on the Huddle, David Farrar and Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Wellington Council's CEO is under fire for trying to hide information from councillors. Is this a bad move?
GDP rose 0.2 percent, bring New Zealand out of technical recession. Is this good news for the economy - or is the worst yet to come?
The Just Stop Oil protestors were caught vandalising Stonehenge, with two arrested. Is throwing paint on a historical landmark a step too far?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Right on the huddle with me this evening I got
David Farah and Mark Sainsbury. Are you two? Hello there
you We're going to come back to Wellington City Council
because unfortunately both of you have a vested interest in that.
First though, David on the GDP figure, what do you
make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, it's a small relief that is not negative. That's
what people were expecting. But it's pretty anemic and it
just shows you they're commonly still in a weak stake
and that's why things need to change. If we didn't
have such big immigration growth coming in, we wouldn't have
had positive GDP.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, are you seeing it? Saying so, I'm seeing it
when I walk around Auckland, I'm seeing the shops that
are closed and the people who are having half hard time.
Is the same in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, and people just start to mean people aren't spending.
That's part of the part of the problem. You know,
government starts spending, businesses and spending, consumers are spending, you know,
is it all go? There is that sense of God
help us. When is it going to get better? You
know it's too late to move to ours?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, what too late in life, saying though you strive
as a risk taker.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's Look, it's
just frustration. It's like and Wellington and man getting back
to it later, but it's just you know, every day
is like another problem. You know, it gets that point
you just think I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You know, too much, it is a little.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It does weigh you down. David, I reckon, I just reckon.
It's too dark to leave us here with the ocr
where it is for too much longer. I reckon they
cut in November, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, it would be nice if they did, But the
last lot of inflation results you had, non tradable inflation
are still at nearly six percent annually, and you just
can't do that. This is the problem, even though you
are signs with the comedues doing okay, people paying more,
(02:00):
all goodges have had interest rates double, and some people
haven't even had that hit yet because they're fixed term. Yeah,
in interest rates aren't going to drop, you know, maybe
November maybe fedry, but even then, so until those interest
rates drop, we probably can't expect there's gonna be a
lot of money for investing. And that is the whole point.
(02:20):
This is why you don't want high inflation in the
first place, because the solution is nasty.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, it would have been nice if maybe like Adrian
had read that bit in his manual when he let
inflation get to this point? Oh was it not? Was
it not drawn with pictures of trees and stuff like that?
You wouldn't have got many to the picture book. Hey
what do you make saying soo? Of those climate change
protesters who went and tagged Stonehenge, did they go to
father time?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Look?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I mean you sort of thing, what is too far
with anything? I mean my sort of thing is you
shouldn't be hurting people. But then what is everything then
fair game? And you know where do you draw the line?
The thing I get with that really won't be over
the stone. It's such a significant historical sight. And now
trying to make their I mean, the one I did
enjoy was the people who put the cartoon faces over
(03:09):
Prince Charles's portrait the other day because I had a
perspect screen on it. So they made their point and
it was cleaned up a moment after but yeah, there
is a problem and it becomes negative because at some
point you end up just getting on everyone's tips.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, do you know what I think, David I Reckon says,
I was onto something. I reckon. These guys are just
so irritating. You're not listening to their message anymore. You're
just like, do you just think that dicks?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, there was a they are There was an interesting
interview where someone tried to adjume that actually go and
talk to them and the people involved in this. I
just want to irritate people. They believe in all, not
just this cards. They're involved in all the causes, and
they're about protests for the sake of protests. They're not
(03:57):
actually about making change. You know, did you really think
the UK government going to sungly announced zero by two
thousand feuty because she's straight painter on stone Hinge. No.
The nice thing about this and I could say that
though Stonehinge appears has its own twasure account and it
actually responded to the protests by saying the paint doesn't
(04:20):
necessar come out and you've broken the law and you
all gave to jail for a long time. You know,
stone Hinge treasure account yees good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I like that. That's a bit of a set.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Did you see the age of them?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Heaven?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, they were ancient, they should know better.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
No, no, No, one was twenty one and the other
was seventy three.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Oh yeah, well what does that tell your saints?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh you're stupid at both except it's a broad spectam.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That's right, all right, we'll take a break with you two.
Come back and talk about Wellington City Council.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
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for every property.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury, David Farrett, Mark, what
do you reckon? Is it time for Wellington City Council
to have the big boys called in on them and
the grown ups take over?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
No, I mean look, I think it's getting fast towards that.
But it's it's it's a pretty huge thing to dump
for council. It's going to be you know, and I
think I think you said pretty right earlier on. You
know what the result would be politically You'd probably end
up as a loser for them.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Look, there's this huge.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Frustration in Wellington at the moment. I've got a lot
of friends in the hospitality sector and they're just I mean,
they're just weaken you know, it is just And because
he doesn't appear to be any sort of cohesive plan,
I know that. And this is the big next thing
is going to be the big three year plan. It's
supposed to be getting signed off and all the supports
crumbling and yeah, I mean I can see where you're
(05:45):
coming from either.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But what are you real Yeah, look, I agree, I
obviously agree with Mark on this one, David that it
is very high risk stuff for the minister to do it.
But are we at that point or do we only
get to the point if they can't pass the plan?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, I think that's a sort of thing that triggers
an intervention. Just making bad decisions and being led round
by the CEO and not being unified isn't actually enough.
It's called democracy. You get what you're voted for. Well,
Antonians had three choices from here at the last election.
They had lots of candidates to choose for the wards
(06:21):
and the result is what we've got to few. It's
not all the counselors. There is obviously a cultural problem
at the council where the CEE is trying to hide
information or restrict it to the council and that's not
just unique to Wellington. So I actually do think the
government does need to move in that regard and make
(06:44):
it very clear that ce's can't tell counselors know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, absolutely, you yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I was going to say part of the whole breakdown
too was and say because Ben McNulty I was on
nick Mills with him last week and he was coming.
It's about how during the discussions and the pressure was
coming on and the sort of you know, the share sale,
this top lawyer was brought and who basically told them
that all be financially liable, they don't vote for it,
(07:12):
and the councilor's books go, you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Know, and the top lawyer was paid for.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
By whom I presen that have been paid for by council.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Staff trying to heavy the elected counselors again right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, they were really dirty control They tried to get
a copy of it and you.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Know, yeah, no, the whole thing sounds like an absolute disaster.
Saying so Toma Portucker, who is the Conservation Minister, says
we're not going to be able to save every species
we basically because it's going to just cost too much money,
and we need to decide where we want to put
our attention.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Is he right, Well, that's not they're doing at the moment.
I mean it was interesting. I went back and had
a look at that that the report that did to
the UN on extinct and there was another report out
last year which said that stats have to do the
extinctions threatened the case. I we've said seventy five percent
of indigenous reptile birds back some fresh water pressure at risk. Look,
(08:03):
we know you cannot save everything. I mean, that's that
goes with that saying. But I think that's what they
do at the moment. I think they've got about a
four hundred and six particularly endaintered species that they concentrate on. Yeah,
because Evan, you know, you get onto the saying, oh
they're stopping a note away because there's a couple of
snails in the way and this sort of thing. You know,
that sort of plays into the Shane Jones handbook. But
(08:25):
we do have to protect our environment and this is
our our you know, this is our time and we
need to we need to protect it. So, yeah, it's
a bit of a worry with the budget cuts for dock.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But then so they are for y everyone else.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean David. People are getting really upset about
that about his comment, But his comment is just that
is the reality of the situation.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Everything has a cost benefit analysis to it. Otherwise speed
limits would be ten kilometers per our houses would cost ye,
well even more than they cost to world, like five
million dollars to have the best safety standard. We actually
have eighty thousand species in New Zealand and biodiversity is important.
(09:06):
I think it should be a priority, especially with birds
and animals. But it is just common sense. You can't
guarantee that every species will be saved for all time
because that's not actually how the world works for us.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That's true. Actually, hey guys, it's always a pleasure to
talk to the pair of you. Thank you so much
and best of luck with your counsel. David Farrerh and
Mark Sainsbury.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Nineteen to six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International
Realty exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Right on the huddle with me this evening I got
David Farah and Mark Sainsbury. Are you two? Hello there
you We're going to come back to Wellington City Council
because unfortunately both of you have a vested interest in that.
First though, David on the GDP figure, what do you
make of that?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Well, it's a small relief that is not negative. That's
what people were expecting. But it's pretty anemic and it
just shows you they're commonly still in a weak stake
and that's why things need to change. If we didn't
have such big immigration growth coming in, we wouldn't have
had positive GDP.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, are you seeing it? Saying so, I'm seeing it
when I walk around Auckland, I'm seeing the shops that
are closed and the people who are having half hard time.
Is the same in Wellington.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Yeah, and people just start to mean people aren't spending.
That's part of the part of the problem. You know,
government starts spending, businesses and spending, consumers are spending, you know,
is it all go? There is that sense of God
help us. When is it going to get better? You
know it's too late to move to ours?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, what too late in life, saying though you strive
as a risk taker.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's Look, it's
just frustration. It's like and Wellington and man getting back
to it later, but it's just you know, every day
is like another problem. You know, it gets that point
you just think I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You know, too much, it is a little.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It does weigh you down. David, I reckon, I just reckon.
It's too dark to leave us here with the ocr
where it is for too much longer. I reckon they
cut in November, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, it would be nice if they did, But the
last lot of inflation results you had, non tradable inflation
are still at nearly six percent annually, and you just
can't do that. This is the problem, even though you
are signs with the comedues doing okay, people paying more,
(02:00):
all goodges have had interest rates double, and some people
haven't even had that hit yet because they're fixed term. Yeah,
in interest rates aren't going to drop, you know, maybe
November maybe fedry, but even then, so until those interest
rates drop, we probably can't expect there's gonna be a
lot of money for investing. And that is the whole point.
(02:20):
This is why you don't want high inflation in the
first place, because the solution is nasty.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, it would have been nice if maybe like Adrian
had read that bit in his manual when he let
inflation get to this point? Oh was it not? Was
it not drawn with pictures of trees and stuff like that?
You wouldn't have got many to the picture book. Hey
what do you make saying soo? Of those climate change
protesters who went and tagged Stonehenge, did they go to
father time?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Look?
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I mean you sort of thing, what is too far
with anything? I mean my sort of thing is you
shouldn't be hurting people. But then what is everything then
fair game? And you know where do you draw the line?
The thing I get with that really won't be over
the stone. It's such a significant historical sight. And now
trying to make their I mean, the one I did
enjoy was the people who put the cartoon faces over
(03:09):
Prince Charles's portrait the other day because I had a
perspect screen on it. So they made their point and
it was cleaned up a moment after but yeah, there
is a problem and it becomes negative because at some
point you end up just getting on everyone's tips.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, do you know what I think, David I Reckon says,
I was onto something. I reckon. These guys are just
so irritating. You're not listening to their message anymore. You're
just like, do you just think that dicks?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, there was a they are There was an interesting
interview where someone tried to adjume that actually go and
talk to them and the people involved in this. I
just want to irritate people. They believe in all, not
just this cards. They're involved in all the causes, and
they're about protests for the sake of protests. They're not
(03:57):
actually about making change. You know, did you really think
the UK government going to sungly announced zero by two
thousand feuty because she's straight painter on stone Hinge. No.
The nice thing about this and I could say that
though Stonehinge appears has its own twasure account and it
actually responded to the protests by saying the paint doesn't
(04:20):
necessar come out and you've broken the law and you
all gave to jail for a long time. You know,
stone Hinge treasure account yees good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I like that. That's a bit of a set.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Did you see the age of them?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Heaven?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, they were ancient, they should know better.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
No, no, No, one was twenty one and the other
was seventy three.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Oh yeah, well what does that tell your saints?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh you're stupid at both except it's a broad spectam.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
That's right, all right, we'll take a break with you two.
Come back and talk about Wellington City Council.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury, David Farrett, Mark, what
do you reckon? Is it time for Wellington City Council
to have the big boys called in on them and
the grown ups take over?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
No, I mean look, I think it's getting fast towards that.
But it's it's it's a pretty huge thing to dump
for council. It's going to be you know, and I
think I think you said pretty right earlier on. You
know what the result would be politically You'd probably end
up as a loser for them.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Look, there's this huge.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Frustration in Wellington at the moment. I've got a lot
of friends in the hospitality sector and they're just I mean,
they're just weaken you know, it is just And because
he doesn't appear to be any sort of cohesive plan,
I know that. And this is the big next thing
is going to be the big three year plan. It's
supposed to be getting signed off and all the supports
crumbling and yeah, I mean I can see where you're
(05:45):
coming from either.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
But what are you real Yeah, look, I agree, I
obviously agree with Mark on this one, David that it
is very high risk stuff for the minister to do it.
But are we at that point or do we only
get to the point if they can't pass the plan?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Yeah, I think that's a sort of thing that triggers
an intervention. Just making bad decisions and being led round
by the CEO and not being unified isn't actually enough.
It's called democracy. You get what you're voted for. Well,
Antonians had three choices from here at the last election.
They had lots of candidates to choose for the wards
(06:21):
and the result is what we've got to few. It's
not all the counselors. There is obviously a cultural problem
at the council where the CEE is trying to hide
information or restrict it to the council and that's not
just unique to Wellington. So I actually do think the
government does need to move in that regard and make
(06:44):
it very clear that ce's can't tell counselors know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, absolutely, you yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
I was going to say part of the whole breakdown
too was and say because Ben McNulty I was on
nick Mills with him last week and he was coming.
It's about how during the discussions and the pressure was
coming on and the sort of you know, the share sale,
this top lawyer was brought and who basically told them
that all be financially liable, they don't vote for it,
(07:12):
and the councilor's books go, you.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Know, and the top lawyer was paid for.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
By whom I presen that have been paid for by council.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Staff trying to heavy the elected counselors again right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, they were really dirty control They tried to get
a copy of it and you.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Know, yeah, no, the whole thing sounds like an absolute disaster.
Saying so Toma Portucker, who is the Conservation Minister, says
we're not going to be able to save every species
we basically because it's going to just cost too much money,
and we need to decide where we want to put
our attention.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Is he right, Well, that's not they're doing at the moment.
I mean it was interesting. I went back and had
a look at that that the report that did to
the UN on extinct and there was another report out
last year which said that stats have to do the
extinctions threatened the case. I we've said seventy five percent
of indigenous reptile birds back some fresh water pressure at risk. Look,
(08:03):
we know you cannot save everything. I mean, that's that
goes with that saying. But I think that's what they
do at the moment. I think they've got about a
four hundred and six particularly endaintered species that they concentrate on. Yeah,
because Evan, you know, you get onto the saying, oh
they're stopping a note away because there's a couple of
snails in the way and this sort of thing. You know,
that sort of plays into the Shane Jones handbook. But
(08:25):
we do have to protect our environment and this is
our our you know, this is our time and we
need to we need to protect it. So, yeah, it's
a bit of a worry with the budget cuts for dock.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
But then so they are for y everyone else.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I mean David. People are getting really upset about
that about his comment, But his comment is just that
is the reality of the situation.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Everything has a cost benefit analysis to it. Otherwise speed
limits would be ten kilometers per our houses would cost ye,
well even more than they cost to world, like five
million dollars to have the best safety standard. We actually
have eighty thousand species in New Zealand and biodiversity is important.
(09:06):
I think it should be a priority, especially with birds
and animals. But it is just common sense. You can't
guarantee that every species will be saved for all time
because that's not actually how the world works for us.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
That's true. Actually, hey guys, it's always a pleasure to
talk to the pair of you. Thank you so much
and best of luck with your counsel. David Farrerh and
Mark Sainsbury.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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