Full Show Podcast: 19 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
duper Cy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage
like no one else.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News Talks have be afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Winston Rekins, he
saved US two billion dollars on the ferries. We'll find
out if he's right. Routru Is Mayor on the last
of the emergency housing motels closing. And if you're in
Auclint for Metallica, we'll tell you what you need to survive.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The Night's Heather duper Cy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Sorry about the state of the voice. We'll get I
have a lot of explaining to do and I will
get to that when I get a chance. But listen
on this. Here's a thought. There would not be a
drama today about the Breakers basketball team not wanting to
wear the rainbow flag on their jerseys if the basketball
league had stayed out of politics in the first place. Now,
if you haven't caught up on this, there is unnecessary

(00:49):
upset today because it's emerged that the entire Breakers team
will not wear that little rainbow Pride Progress flat on
their jerseys during Pride Round next year because some of
the players don't want to religious and cultural reasons. Apparently,
so because some of the players don't want to, the
whole team won't. Now, as you can imagine, this has
absolutely blown up, and it has led to accusations of homophobia,

(01:09):
accusations of bigotry, accusations of cowardice, and look, I don't know,
maybe all those accusations are right, but this didn't have
to happen. They didn't have to have this drama if
they hadn't tried to get all of the players to
wear a symbol that you can guarantee some players wouldn't
want to wear, because statistically that had to be a possibility.
When you have maybe I don't know, one hundred and

(01:30):
fifty or so players rostered on for any particular season,
it would have to be a possibility that some of
them wouldn't want to wear it. Now, I don't think
that this kind of rainbow washing helps anyone. There is
no need for a random sports league to run any
kind of a week, whether it be Pride Week or
Indigenous Week or Women's men strual Rights Week. I don't
know what kind of we You just don't need it.

(01:51):
Maybe it sells a few tickets, Probably not a lot,
but it can backfire, and it has backfired in this case.
So now instead of looking inclusive to the rainbow community,
the NBL looks a complete opposite and has accusations of
homophobia coming at it. Now, you would have thought that
everyone under the sun would have learned from the mass
of rugby league debarcle three years ago when those seven

(02:11):
manly players refused to wear the pride jersey, and yet
the basketball team decided all the Basketball League decided to
start up its own Pride Week the very next year,
having learnt nothing. Now, I say this all of the time,
and I will say this again. Sports needs to stay
out of politics. There is no real upside in it
and there's way too much downside. And this is a
case in point.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
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Speaker 3 (02:38):
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Speaker 4 (02:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
The annual New Zealand Health Survey shows that we're stagnating
when it comes to getting people off the sigis apparently
seven percent of us are still smoking. Not me, you
wouldn't believe that. And twelve percent of kiwis in our
daily vapors, which is three times more than five years ago.
One in three adults are abeese, and just seven percent
of adults eat the daily recommended amount of Vegetablesine Bradbury

(03:00):
is from the School of Population Health at Auckland University
and with us HI Catherine. Does that vaping numbers surprise you.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
M.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
It does a bit. It's you can see that. It's
it's definitely climbing up.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Why does it surprise you.

Speaker 7 (03:18):
Well, we have made I mean, yes, we're sort of
stagnating a little bit on the daily smokers, but we
have made really good progress over the last ten to
fifteen years getting our smoking numbers down.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
But at the same time.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
More recently, in particularly our the people number of people
vaping is growing.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah. Do you think twenty twenty five smoke free is
not going to happen?

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Yeah? The goal is to get under five percent. I
mean we're pretty close.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, it looks unlikely that we're going to get there.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I'm surprised by that only seven percent of people eat
the recommendeds helping of vegetables. Does that surprise you?

Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, it's pretty woeful. Yeah, it is. It is surprising.
I mean it's it's really hardly anyone.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
What is the recommended helping. Is it three vegetables a day?

Speaker 7 (04:16):
No, it's actually five to six, so it is quite
a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Did you eat yours today?

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Did I eat mine today?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Do I count a tomato? Catherine? Because this is controversial, Yes,
you can count. I've had a avocado and I've had
a tomato. I think that's me done.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:36):
Yeah, Well we've still got dinner to go, so we'll
get a few more on there.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Will you make it by the end of the day? Also, Catherine,
isn't this a load of bs? Like you don't actually
need to eat six different helpings of vegetables in one day?
Do you which made them?

Speaker 8 (04:52):
No?

Speaker 6 (04:52):
No, it isn't made up.

Speaker 7 (04:53):
But the servings are kind of small, Like half a
potato counts as you know, a serving, so that's not Yeah,
so if you have a potato, that's two servings already.
So but still it's indicating really that people are not
you know, getting their vegetables or fruit. Even fruit is
two servings a day and less than half of our

(05:15):
population this meeting that.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, Okay, what's going on with the obesity?

Speaker 7 (05:20):
Yeah, you know, ob citi is still a real problem
in New Zealand, kind of linked I guess to fruit
and vegetables. You know, like we're not really.

Speaker 6 (05:33):
Eating healthily in New Zealand, and a lot of.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
That is just we've got such a availability of you know,
highly highly processed foods that are high in all our
you know, salt and sugar and fat easily available from
the supermarket, and you know fruit and vegetables actually can
be pretty expensive.

Speaker 9 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
On the bright side, about half of us are doing
enough exercise, which is like two and a half hours
of moderate intensity activity in the life week. That's not bad,
is it.

Speaker 7 (06:03):
Yeah, it's not bad again, of course, you know, like
there's a there's a large portion who aren't doing enough,
but you know we are, Yeah, there are.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
You know, it's better than now some of the indicators.

Speaker 7 (06:13):
Yeah. So yeah, we have got you know, about half,
just under half doing the recommended amount. But of course, yeah,
more you know, there's lots lots more, lots of.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
People who could be doing more exercise as well.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Catherine, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. It's Katherine
Bravery from the School of Population Health at All Clan University.
Do you know what I'm I'm starting to come to
the view that any of these numbers that they tell
you have to strike in a day as just a
load of bs. Remember when they said to like, we
all brush out eath twice a day, right, because we're
grown up, so we do it because we've been told.
Now it turns out you and have to do it
once a day. I always knew that I did it

(06:49):
two times anyway, because gross. But you only have to
do it once a day. That was obvious, wasn't it.
And they say you've got to have eight glasses of
water a dight. You know, that's BS. That's made up.
And the ten thousands to day is literally made up
by the people who are like, how many steps that sounds, Yeah,
we'll do that. Yeah, it's actually only seven thousand. And
when they say to you have to have six different

(07:10):
vegetables and two different fruits, that's also just made up nonsense,
you know that. So anyway, I'm not giving you a
free pass. I'm just telling you go easy on you,
go easy on yourself. You will be okay. And if
you are, if you do all of the things that
I said, if you don't do it, you'll end up
just like me. And that's exactly where you want to be.
Sounding like this like a sex worker. I will explain it.

(07:32):
I'll get to it in a minute. Anyway, i'steen files. Now,
we've had a bit of a day of it today.
So the US Senate has voted to release the Epstein files.
Now it goes to Trump to sign. So we just
have to wait a little bit longer to find out
what it has in it, and we will get you
across that. We've got the US COSS. We have good
Jonathan Kurseley. Today, we have Jatam about it quarter pass.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's the Heather Top see Alan Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (08:00):
I'm with you. Why are sports teams trying to be
everything to everyone? It's stupid. Stick to your knitting. Seventeen
past four.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Sport with tab power plays better unlocked, bigger odds are
rating better responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
And actually on that subject, we have Darcy water Grave
Sports Talk Coast with us.

Speaker 9 (08:16):
Welcome back, Heather, Hello, thank you Darcy. How are you
all right?

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Darcy? This is you did not get into sport broadcasting
to talk about this kind of stuff. But what's your
take on it?

Speaker 9 (08:26):
Not not really what I'm surprised. I'm all for support
of compromised communities. I get that. That's great. I just
wonder how much tracks in a positive way. It gets
when you're looking at an issue like that, which is
the LBGT community. It's really triggering to a lot of people, yea,

(08:47):
and they can't deal with that. What gets me about this,
I mean my personal views, you know where I sat
around this. But what gives me about this is no
one seemed to learn from what happened with the NRL. Yeah,
no one learned.

Speaker 10 (08:57):
Well.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
In the NRL, you had the manly See situation where
they had the jerseys with the rainbow on like six
or seven of their athletes heavily religious. When I don't
want to do this, I'm not wearing it, so all
hell break loose gotten? So what happened to that?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
After that?

Speaker 9 (09:11):
Where's the pride around in the NRL now gone? See Ladder?
So I wonder if the NBL looked at that and said,
we really want to court this kind of controversy. I
know it's coming from a good place. I know they
want to be seen as the good people doing the
right thing. There was a term used today in the
office queer washing, And I can't help by thinking that's

(09:32):
what it is. I don't know how much honesty is
in this from the NRL. They're probably doing it to
be seen to be doing the right thing. So a
lot of people think like that as well, what's it done.
It's just courted controversy again. It's lance the boiling. People
are back off on this again, and it becomes religion

(09:52):
versus culture versus lifestyle, and we go.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
I talk about basketball because I think I'm of my
the same view, which is, had they not had this round,
we would never have known that there were people in
the breakers who felt like this about the Rainbow community.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
Yeah, we were horrible that they think like that. It's
really sad because what the rainbo community has got nothing
to do with them doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
But on balance, we would have been better off and
have a better view of.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
The m that running away from a situation closing our
ears and three monking it goo.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
I just think it's backfire from a publicity point of view, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
And probably should have learned that from what happened at
the n L when Dad exploded in their faces as well.
I agree, And it becomes frustrating because then it gets
away from the actual sport, all the good the sports
are doing because they wanted to climb on into this space,
which is it's a fraught space. Let's face it, it's
still pretty modern and trans community and soul on and

(10:48):
so very triggering for a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And it's still really early doors.

Speaker 9 (10:51):
So I'd watch their steps. I'd be very careful before
climbing into this and just an expanding on that. What
is it what these sports thems have having all these
weeks celebrating all this? What about basketball week?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Come just do the thing?

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Always sing?

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Sorry, what's Jesse Rider's form?

Speaker 9 (11:12):
Like Jesse Rider's form? He smashed a ton off no
deliveries recently in some competition and didn't he I think
it was. But he's joining us on the show tonight
to talk about coming back to cricket in New Zealand again.
It's the Black Clash and it's not ready cricket.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Oh, that's the exhibition thing.

Speaker 9 (11:29):
It's a it's a bit of summer entertainment down at
the Mount, That's what it is. All the ex cricket
is the X rugby players, a couple of celebrities climb
on and they have a wonderful day. Sports the winner.
In the end, it's a celebration. It's a lot of fun.
Good on them for doing it. It's not particularly my bag.
Every now and I watch it so I think the
acc do hilarious commentary, so I will and seeing someone

(11:51):
like Jesse Rider fling the willow around, that'll be good again.
So he's come back. You'll have a great time. I'm
looking forward to having a year with them tonight about
about what it.

Speaker 7 (12:00):
Means to him.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Good on your Darcy, it's nice to talk.

Speaker 9 (12:02):
Don't think he's going to wear an insignia.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think they'll leave that. I think I think they
probably have learned from it. Darncy water Grave SportsTalk Coast
Back at seven, It's four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Do you reckon? We're up for this is a country.

Speaker 11 (12:18):
Look.

Speaker 12 (12:18):
The only way we're going to meet these challenges really
is to have a bit of.

Speaker 13 (12:22):
A collective vision about what good looks like in the future.
And there's definitely a concern from the business community that
we are sort of stuck in a cycle of short
term thinking.

Speaker 12 (12:32):
You know, we have three year electional election cycles.

Speaker 13 (12:35):
We have changes of government, we have policy U tunes
and the flip flops, and we're not really.

Speaker 12 (12:39):
Planning for the future.

Speaker 13 (12:41):
We're sort of stumbling towards it in kind.

Speaker 12 (12:43):
Of a blindfolded fashion.

Speaker 13 (12:45):
So this report's really designed to get everybody to think
outside the box.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic Husking Breakfast with
the Defend News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
It's Heather Duplicyl and Drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
They'd be here that you sound really hot with that
husky voice. Thank you, I've been working at it. Hither
you sound dreadful, get yourself listen. So there's a lot
of people saying, what are you doing at work? You
must feel hideous. I do not feel hideous. This is
the thing. I just got really excited at Lenny Kravitz.
It was and I'm going to give you my review.
I've been dying to give you my review. I'm going

(13:25):
to give you my review. But I just sang too
much at Lenny Kravitz. And then I didn't realize it,
but I probably had a bit of like something of
a sore throat from one of the kids, and it
was so minor it was not even worth talking about.
And then because I sang, I've ended up like this,
But I mean, like, at least they can say her
voice died doing something it loved, which was to go
to a concert. Anyway, we'll give you the Lenny review

(13:47):
later on. We've got a bit of time that because
I've got to get so much information to you, right, Okay,
So the first thing is, obviously Metallica is happening in
Auckland this evening. So if you're going to go tonight,
we're going to give you everything that you need to
know about what's going on there. And if you're not
going tonight, count yourself lucky because I am going tonight
and I don't know what. I'm obviously not going to
sing tonight. I don't know what in God's name took

(14:09):
hold of me the day that I said to the girls,
Yep concert Club, let's go to Metallica. Because then I
listen like, because you know into Sam Man, you know
a few of the tunes, and like it's kind of
mildly okay. I put it on the other day and
I was like, oh, dear God, what have I done.
It's hideous. Metallica is hideous. I mean, look, I know
if you love Metallica, he's going to be so offensive
to you.

Speaker 14 (14:28):
And I'm so.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Sorry because you've just you're used to all that kind
of like rowdy guitars and like singing about Satan and
feeling sad and war and death and stuff. But for
the rest of us, normal people, having to listen to
that noise for an hour and a half or two
hours tonight is like self, I don't know, I don't
don't don't ask me where I'm going because I literally
don't know. I just got sucked in. Anyway, I'll come back.

(14:51):
I'll come back to you tomorrow on how much of
that decision that was. But we're going to talk about
talk about it a little bit later on. Also, and
the emergency motels, now, it's a very happy day for
TOU today because the emergency motels have finally ended. Government
has closed the last of them. This is a big
deal because when you remember back, I mean, this has
been four and a half years or whatever that they've

(15:12):
been dealing with this. They had thirteen motels running at
the peak of it, with like two hundred and forty
different families living in it. The Mayor, Tanya Tapsil is
going to talk us through that after five. Because we
have everybody who labors shipped in su to put them
in the motels. Have they all shipped themselves back out again?
That's the question. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
The day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather dupericy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite
Mobile New saucea'd be only want you in.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Winston Peters is going to be with us after five o'clock.
Now what we're going to talk to him about is
the final cost of the fairies, because he's he's outlined
today and here he saved us absolutely billions of dollars
in negotiating a better deal than Grant Robertson had. Now
I do not buy it, and I'm going to run
you through the numbers. So the final cost of the ferries,
according to Winston, is one point eight six billion dollars, right,

(16:14):
that's how much he's going to spend, which he says
is fantastic because Grant Robertson was going to spend two
point six billion dollars. So he saved us a lot
of money. So let's take his one point eight six
billion dollars. Now, let's add to it the final cost
of the canceled Irex project, which we've already paid, which
is about seven hundred million dollars. And then let's add
to it the two hundred and twenty two million dollars

(16:34):
that we've had to pay and break fees to get
out of the South Korean deal, and your final total
is two point five billion dollars we have saved. Remember
what was Grant going to spend two point six billion,
and we're spending two point five billion, and what are
we getting for it. We're getting smaller ships and we're
not getting the upgraded port infrastructure. So I'm not sure.
Like I said from the very beginning, I do not

(16:56):
think this is a good deal. Find out what Winston's
got to say about it. After five barrysop with us
in ten minutes time, it's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
So the US Senate has voted unanimously to release the
Epstein files. The bill compelling the Justice Department to release
the files are now going to go to Donald Trump
for approval. Democrat Representative for New York Dan Goldman says
Trump's u turn is a sign that he knows that
he's lost this particular battle.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
If it came to the floor, many many were going
to vote for it, and so Donald Trump realized what
was going to happen and quickly tried to get out
in front of it rather than to get run over
by it. And so now he's taking this posture that, oh,
we just want to move on now.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Speaking of Trump, he had a meeting with Saudi Crown
Prince Muhammad bin Salman in the Oval office. When an
ABC reporter asked about the death of the journalist Jamal Kashogi,
Trump wasn't happy.

Speaker 15 (17:52):
As far as this gentleman is concerned. He's done a
phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial. People
didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about, whether you
like him or didn't like him. Things happened, but he
knew nothing about it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Then we can leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
And finally be a little Veggie might victor murderer, and
Victoria wants to state to overturn the ban on Veggie
might in prisons, the spread is banned because of fears
that inmates will use the strong smell to disguise illegal
alcohol brewing operations, but one man serving a life sentence
has launched court proceedings saying he's entitled to enjoy his

(18:30):
culture as an Australian even while he's incarcerated, and that
means Veggie.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Mate International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Jonathan Kursley US corresponds with us, Jonathan, can you get
the VEGGI mighting in the States?

Speaker 11 (18:48):
In some places? Yes, you can. You can get that
delicious black spread that goes wonderfully on a nice little
English muffin or a slice of toast in the morning.
It's it's a little pricey over here. I think you're
looking at about fifteen sixteen New Zealand dollars for a
small jar or of it, So it's pretty pricey. So
we tend to ask our nice friends in Australia to
send them over when they can.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
It's all right, listen, how long before these Epstein files
are actually released?

Speaker 14 (19:12):
Then?

Speaker 11 (19:13):
Well, that's the question that everybody's asking is when are
they going to be released. Obviously, it's past the House.
The Senate has unanimously agreed to pass it, so when
it goes before the Senate tomorrow, it'll zip through and
go straight to Donald Trump's desk. He will then likely
cite it, he has said he very much intends to,
and then it's over the Department of Justice to work
on the release of the Epstein files. Now, there could

(19:35):
be one other roadblock left in the way of the
release of these files, and that is that the President
himself had ordered the Department of Justice and his Attorney
General Pambondi to look into Epstein's links with Democrats. If
that investigation has started, then that could theoretically mean the
Department of Justice cannot release any documents as part of
an ongoing investigation, so it may have to wait until

(19:55):
that investigation finishes before any documents can be released. So
this is very very much a political bon fight that
goes right to the top of America's seat of power.
The president's backflip on this on initially not stalling on
the release of these documents has caused him some political pains,
so he changed his mind. He told Republicans to back

(20:17):
it end. He told them to get the bill to
his desk so that he could sign it and see
what's released. And he's also putting pressure on Democrats now too,
basically cautioning them there could be material in this that's
bad for you too. Already, the House Oversight Committee is
releasing some material relating to the Democrat leader in the House, Jefferies,
and documents that were sent by Epstein about donations to

(20:39):
his campaigns that Jeffrey King Jeffries has said he's got
no recollection of. So this is now a political fight
that is in brawling all sides, But the focus is
very much going to be on whether those documents are
going to be released and when they are, what's in them.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
That business with NBS was uncomfortable for me, was it
for you?

Speaker 14 (20:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (20:58):
It was an interesting watch. Was the first time MBS
Muhammed been someone who's been in the White House since Trump.
One point o back in twenty eighteen, it was months
before the murder of journalist Jamal Kashogghi that the CIO
eventually pointed the finger of blame at straight at MBS
and said that he had orchestrated this murder. And we
saw that exchange that you played just before with ABC

(21:20):
America journalist Mary Bruce, essentially putting it to Jamal Kashoggi,
how could Americans trust him? That the families of nine
to eleven victims were disgusted that he was inside the
Oval Office, and then President Trump launched into this staunch
defense of MBS and then at the same time attacking
the journalist as well, describing her as a horrible reporter
and threatening to withdraw ABC's license for being what he

(21:42):
called fake news. It was a very very interesting exchange
inside the Oval Office. There have been many of these
since the inauguration on January twenty. This, though, will be
a marker and it will go down in the history
books to some extent to see the transformation of somebody
who was a pariah for the United States just matter
of the well a couple of years ago or just

(22:02):
before the inauguration, to being welcome back into the Oval
Office with open arms, and then tonight a lavish state
dinner attended by, among others, Elon Musk.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah. Very interesting. Hey, thanks very much, Jonathan, appreciate it.
Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent, Hither dul It's eighteen away from five.
Hither your argument on the Fairies is absolute rubbish, because
you know full well Grant Robertson talks rubbish, and his
final amount would have been about four billion. Look at
may well have been. But I mean, why stop at
four billion? Why not say five billion? Why not six seven,

(22:31):
eight nine billion? All we knew was two point six billion.
It's possible, but all we knew was two point six billion.
And if it's two point six billion versus Winston's two
point five billion, I still think it was a better
deal for the two point six billion. Hither. I love
your honesty. I thought there was something wrong with me
for not liking the alien music, which is Metallica. We'll see.
I might change my mind. I might come back tomorrow

(22:51):
and be like, wow, how I got that wrong? It
was just so wonderful to hear distorted guitars coming at
me for two hours and people singing about weird stuff.
I might love it. I might think it was great. Apparently,
the unauthorized biography of Jacinda is selling really, really well,
so they put out a release today saying they now
they're about to order. In fact, they have I think
they have started their third print run. So how this

(23:14):
has worked? And remember this has only been out for
eleven days, this book. So the first run of the
book was four thousand, and it's sold out within five days.
So they had a second run of the book. They're
not giving us the numbers on the second run and
the third run, but I think that it's three thousand
and three thousand, So four thousand and three thousand and
three thousand. So the third run is one thousand copies
of the second run, sorry, is one thousand copies away

(23:36):
from running out. So they've got the third run. So
what that means is that they have sold already six
thousand copies. Now that is impressive because in order to
be considered a best salary in New Zealand, you have
to sell five thousand books. They've already done that, and
if they sell completely through the second run and then
the third run, which they've just ordered, they will have
sold ten thousand. That's a double best seller. Now I

(23:58):
know I'm reading it, but then to be i'm reading
it because I've got sent to copy. I haven't brought
a copy. A girlfriend of mine is reading it. She
just texts me last night to say she's reading it.
She's gone out and bought it. I started yesterday. I
will tell you David Cohen, who's written the book as
a beautiful writer, so it is a pleasure to read.
He's not hideous about Jacinda, but he's also not fawning

(24:19):
about her. And so I think you're going to from
at least from the first you know, twenty pages or
whatever that I've read, you're going to get I think,
a much more nuanced and clear eyed view of Jacinda
that isn't just you know, gushing about what an amazing
person she is. For example, he's clearly of the view
that she hasn't just accidentally become an MP and then
accidentally the Labour Leader and then accidentally the Prime Minister,

(24:40):
like she would like us to believe, like it was
just bestowed upon her. He seems to be more of
the view that she started working towards it from a
very young age, which is the view I hold as well. Anyway,
first twenty pages can recommend it. I'll let you know
when i'm finished. Sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
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Speaker 8 (24:57):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
News has just come out in the last fifteen minutes
as that the government has essentially moved to block puberty
blockers are to ban puberty blockers for kids who are
identifying as trans It's still going to be available for
people who need it for medical conditions like early onset puberty, endometriosis,
et cetera, et cetera. But for kids who need it
in order to could because they believe that their trans
it will not be available. We're going to bid Simeon Brown,

(25:18):
the minister responsible for this, and let you know whether
he can be on the show today thirteen away from
five Barry Soapas in your political correspondence with us.

Speaker 16 (25:25):
Good afternoon, Heather. What happened to that manlifluous voice that
you once had?

Speaker 9 (25:29):
You tried to emulate me?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, I think you bloody? You know what happened to it?
It's too much singing? Okay, Now, Donald Trump, what's going
on here?

Speaker 16 (25:37):
Well, you know, we had the news earlier this week
that Trump had reversed the tariffs on beef and offal
and kiwi fruit, which is significant going into the United States,
and I hadn't heard Nikola Willis talk about it, but
Trump said he removed the power at the tariffs because,

(26:00):
of course, grocery prices in the US were rising and
there was political pressure building on them from within, so
clearly the tariffs that were on these products, he decided,
if they're disadvantaging him, then he'll do away with him.
And that that was good news for New Zealand. The
change of heart by Trump has put an additional three

(26:20):
hundred and thirty million dollars a year into the pockets
of exporters, and it's a bit of good news that
I've got to say. That put a smile on the
Finance Minister's face.

Speaker 9 (26:30):
Today.

Speaker 17 (26:30):
These products represent around twenty five percent of our exports
to the United States, with approximately two point twenty one
billion dollars a year. The removal of these tariffs restores
pre Liberation Day access for exporters and provides some relief
for farmers, processes, and rural communities and the jobs that
they support. This is a positive step in the right

(26:51):
direction for free and competitive trade.

Speaker 16 (26:54):
Let's hope it is applied to others before too long.
Epsteam papers heart. That'll be in interesting. I wonder how
a bridged they are when they finally come out.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
You just can't let it go away.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
You can't.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
You can't get through without.

Speaker 16 (27:08):
Discerning the wonderful president.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
You just can't help yourself. Okay, now, I mean, look,
it's clear that we're not going what are we at
six point eight percent of New Zealand as smoke. We're
supposed to get to five percent under five percent by
the end of the year. We're not going to are we.

Speaker 16 (27:21):
You're five percent is considered smoke free, which I always
found incredible anyway that you know, you still had a
percentage of the population smoking. But nevertheless, I think it
is unlikely, clearly by the end of next month, that
we're going to be at five percent. The daily smoking rates, though,
have been falling, and if you look at the breakdown,

(27:42):
the numbers are really interesting. Women are not smoking as
much as men. That comes as a great surprise because
clearly it chose that women have got more a bit
more sense than what their male counterparts have. But Sociate
Health Minis at Casey Castello Home was on her feet
in Parliament today delivering the good news on smoking until

(28:04):
she met the pot calling the kettle black confused. Well,
have a listening, you'll see what I mean.

Speaker 18 (28:10):
The smoking rate for fifteen to twenty four year olds
is three point two percent, down from nineteen point one
percent when the survey started.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
It's a speaker.

Speaker 18 (28:18):
At the broadest level, smoking rates for those age between
forty five and sixty four remain persistently high. It takes
time to shift the behavior of people have been life
long smokers.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Right on the ball, Winston Peters.

Speaker 19 (28:32):
Has she seen that due to the success of this
program there is less tax coming into the treasury of
two hundred million And is that going to the tobacco
companies or is the explanation behind that that someone who
says that is an economic moron?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
She said it.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
You're a moral bon bonic turtle molon.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Hell Louke, that's enough total moral A very brief answer.

Speaker 20 (28:54):
Mister speaker.

Speaker 18 (28:55):
Yes, we can confirm that there is no tax breaks
for those who understand the economy.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Barry, here's a text fhears from Mike. When is Barry
Soaper's book about prime ministers being written?

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (29:08):
Isn't that wonderful?

Speaker 9 (29:09):
Yes, well, it's coming up next year.

Speaker 16 (29:11):
I've done the passage. I wouldn't be interviewed for David
Cohen's book because it would take the gloss away from
my book.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Honestly, what a narcissist anyway, You're just unbelievable so the
book is is because you think people have only got
enough money to buy one order he got out first.

Speaker 16 (29:29):
Well, I decided to cover all the prime ministers.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
So there are.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
It'll be written and it's going to it's out next year.

Speaker 9 (29:36):
It's out next year.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
And you were lovely Aboutjessinda, were you? Well, of course
I was just like I am about DONALDO. So yeah,
very is why people have a different view of me.
Good stuff, Thank you, Barry Soaper, Senior Political Correspondence. Right
away from five. Lots of people texting me about what
Simeon Brown has just done. Read the puberty Blockers Simeon.
We've given put in a call with Simeon's office. Simeon
is going to be with us at half past five,

(29:57):
so stay tuned for that. And of course Winston Peters
is with us straight after the news talk through the
faery spend. Listen, it's five away from five. The Viva
top fifty Auckland restaurants have just been revealed today and
in top spot I can tell you now the best
place to eat in Auckland, according to these guys, is
a place called Tuller, which is in par Now. Now
this is a modern take on traditional Psalm Woran cuisine.

(30:19):
And apparently it wasn't even a contest. I mean, like
these guys must have eaten their way through Auckland City
to try to find this play. They reckon that it
took them seconds to decide that Tuller was the best.
This is what they've written about it. Your meal is
delivered over eight to thirteen courses, each one a tribute
to or an interpretation of pacifica village eating that means tropical, fresh,

(30:40):
tropical ingredients, but also references to the cheap supermarket food
that colonize the local diet in a world of grim realities.
Tuller is enchanting. There is nothing like it in the
city or in the world. And then so I mean
huge rave reviews from them, you know, definitely, I mean
I feel like those guys are just going to be
don't even try to get into Tuller for the next
week or fortnite. You're just not going to be able to.

(31:01):
It's going to be bookings, bookings, bookings, bookings, and then
finally maybe next year you'll be able to get in
the rest of the top fifty list is basically exactly
what you would expect. It would be as Onslow's in
their soul bar, the French cafe Jacouzi Farina, Hello, Beastie Depot, Cassia,
Bianca as a boo. Actually, now have you heard of Bianca?
Bianca is a place in oh, what's it called Anie

(31:23):
Hunger in Auckland, right, It's like which is But I
know you're going, what Onnie hunger want? But Ornie hunger
is as everybody's moving out to any hunger. Everyone is
in any hunger at the moment. So Biancha is the
place to go and eat there. So let me tell
you my Bianka story. Because what we do for the
concert club is we go we go to like if
we're going to go out to a concert, we go
to a little restaurant first and try it out, and

(31:45):
you know, like we're doing viva, we're eating our way
around the city. So we went to Bianca on Saturday
night and I think that was the night of Snoop Dogg.
That's why we went there. And Snoop Dogg got canceled.
So we were like, oh, look, let's just we'll go
out to dinner and we'll just we'll make a night
of it. We'll have a fun time. We did not
make a night of it because John Hawksby ruined it
for us. He doesn't even know it. What happened is

(32:05):
they were like, look, we're so busy, we can only
get you in for a six thirty sitting. So we
went in for our six thirty sitting and we sat down,
we ordered our meal, having a nice time, and then
they came up to us and they were like, hey,
we need this table in fifteen minutes. And we'd only
been there for like an hour and a half, and
we were like, okay, that's that's cut it short. And
as we were going out the door, one of the

(32:26):
girls looked over the counter and saw that the next
person coming in was bloody John Hawksby. So I've yeah,
we're I mean, if you're gonna lose your table.

Speaker 21 (32:34):
To Hi, Lore reckons that the anchors and ellerslie.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Isn't it basically the same place?

Speaker 21 (32:40):
So it is an elslie? Okay, not only hunger. Turn
your cars around, everybody.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I wasn't driving that night, don't blame me. Winston's Next.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
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Speaker 2 (33:00):
And give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Hither Duo for cell and drive with one New Zealand
and the power of satellite mobile News Talk SIV afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Winston Peters says that he saved US two point three
billion dollars with his new fairy deal. He's released the
costing for two new Cock Straight Fairies, set to arrive
in four years time. The new Fairies plus the supporting
infrastructure will cost one point eight six billion dollars and
he's with us right now, Winston, Hello, Hello, are you
still confident that you've done the right thing?

Speaker 22 (33:30):
Totally confident we've done the right thing, and it's down
to some ex expert people we hired, including the people
in the unions, the people who are on the straits themselves,
ships captains and people with experience. We went to them
for their best of advice and we got it.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Okay, Because it doesn't look like you've actually really solved
saved that much.

Speaker 8 (33:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
You take the cost of the fairies and the supporting infrastructure,
add to it the cost of the i REX project
which was canceled, add to it the cost of the
break fees, and you've ended up at two point five
billion dollars in what you guys have spent. Compare that
to grant Robertson's deal of two point six billion, it's
not that much of a saving.

Speaker 22 (34:05):
Well, if you're going to use rubbish figures, you'll come
to your conclusion. But those figures are rubbish, and it's
proven by the documents they got from within the organization
as they were pursuing I REX in twenty twenty three,
and also from Treasury and weak out there Treasure, we're
saying this could blow out to four point two billion.
Those are the figures we're using.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Okay, it's only rubbish, though, if you assume that the
projection of the blowout is correct, can you promise though,
that your deal is not going to blow out?

Speaker 22 (34:31):
Yes, it's says reason why we've got discipline and this
is a common sense we're applying here. There are contingencies
in our whole plan as well to cover off any
concerns you've got of that nature. But no, we've got
together a hard nosed team, people like Ether Simpson and others,
Chris McKenzie, experienced people, and they've done a marvelous job

(34:51):
and I'm very grateful to them.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Okay, what are the contingencies you've got in there?

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Four fifty million for what.

Speaker 22 (35:01):
Well, you know what contendency means, don't you, In case
it's required to be used.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yep, so it could potentially blow out by that much.
Or have you built the that's built into the package.

Speaker 22 (35:11):
It's built into the package, it's built into the well done,
hither you finally got there?

Speaker 9 (35:15):
Thank you very much, Oh Winston.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
You always bright my day. Thank you so much to
look after yourself. Winston p.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Ether duper c Ellen's The days.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Of emergency housing are all through and may finally be over.
The government has ended the house are the use rather
of contracted emergency housing motels in the city. There are
now no households in emergency housing. The Itania Tapsle is
the mayor of Rotruen. She's with us.

Speaker 23 (35:40):
Titania, Am I the happiest me in the country right now? Potentially?

Speaker 10 (35:45):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
How happy?

Speaker 8 (35:46):
Are you?

Speaker 14 (35:47):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (35:48):
So happy?

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Look?

Speaker 23 (35:49):
You know it's no secret the social disaster that we
had of these emergency housing motiles, and I'm just so
happy for my community that we've seen the.

Speaker 6 (35:57):
End of it.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Now where have the people gone?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Though?

Speaker 10 (36:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (36:01):
And that's a good question. And the good news is
we worked alongside this government to deliver a record amount
of affordable houses. And when I say affordable, I say
late eighty percent of market rent. This is a big
difference for the people that found themselves in emergency housing motels.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
A whole bunch of these people were actually shipped in
by labor, right, so they came from outside the little
to have been put in the motels. And let's be
honest about it, a bunch of the people who would
have been in these motels will now end up on
the street. Are they ending up on the street in
the rutu look?

Speaker 23 (36:32):
And there has been a genuine concern, but I'm really
happy to confirm that is absolutely not the case. We
do have some people on the streets, as all towns do.
We've got about twelve to fifteen on any given day.
But you know what, we have constantly offered these people help,
access to services that are available. We're so lucky to
be in a country that does have services and help available.

(36:54):
And unfortunately, at the end of this is a health problem.
There's dragon addiction issues. It's not a housing problem.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
I mean, this has done your city no end of
harm just in terms of reputation and branding. Do you
reckon how long before you get your city back to
what it was before twenty twenty one when this started.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (37:12):
Look, and this is where I really need to thank
this government because they also backed it up with giving
us just over four million dollars to boost our tourism.
So that's promoting internationally as well. And between building the
homes we actually needed affordable ones and boosting our economy,
it's going to be great. Like our tourism industry here
in Austa is the heartbeat of Roulchester. They are also

(37:33):
they're incredible and we are welcoming back heats of visitors.
In fact, our spend is actually just over what it
used to be in covid prior, so we're very happy
and also to come and see us anytime.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Good stuff. Thank you, Tanya. Tanya Tabsle, mayor.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Of Rotrou Heather dops the outside.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Heather, can you please ask Winston about the announcement about
blocking new puberty blocker? Is actually fair point I should
have because he probably was quite happy about that news.
We've got some brown on that are just half to
half past five. It's not looking good for gas. I mean,
I feel like every I'm sorry to say this, but
every single time there's news about gas. It's pretty much
can be summed up with the sentence it's not looking

(38:12):
good for gas. There is a new report that's been
commissioned by the four big power companies. This is done
by the Boston Consulting Group, and they say that what
little gas we have at the moment, we could have
again in the next five years potentially. So you know,
let's not get excited. I think this is the plane
message here. Every time Shane Jones goes out and he
says he's trying to secure more investment and we're digging

(38:34):
in the ground. We don't get excited because the feeling
out there is that there just isn't gas and we
need to be realistic about it. If there is gas,
people don't want to drill for it. We're not going
to get it. And remember, right, this is coming off
the back of what's already happened. So between twenty fifteen
and now, which is ten years, the gas supply has halved,
the prices that we pay for gas has doubled, and

(38:55):
you can do that again. You can have it again
in the next five years. And what do you think
the price is going to do in the next five years.
So yeah, if you've got the gas and you're relying
on it, you might want to start thinking about that again.
Right next up, let's we're going to go to one
of the bars, because apparently the bars are going absolutely
nuts at the minute because of Metallica. So go to
the bar. We'll find out how heaving it is. Judging
by the texts, it's heaving thirteen bus five. Okay. If

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(40:22):
double six to two, double six to two.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Heather Duples Cyllen.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Yeah, this is what's happening tonight. If you've looked around
the center of Auckland, if you're on Auckland, you looked
around and you go, why has West Aalkland come to town? Well,
that's because of Metallica, one of the world's biggest mesal
bands performing one night only at Eden Park. Auckland's accommodation
is full. The buses heading to the venue are probably full,
the bars are definitely full. Shane On is the general

(40:51):
manager of the full Time Bar in Kingsland and with us.
Hello Shane, Hi, oh mate, how busy.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Is it with you?

Speaker 14 (40:58):
Hell good? I feel I've stepped back into the eighties,
except everyone's in black, including me. I'm glad I got
the right phone call. We're black this morning?

Speaker 9 (41:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (41:07):
Have you are you?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Are you fully kutted out like a Bogan.

Speaker 14 (41:11):
We're stacked, absolutely stacked in here. Everyone's kitted out like Bogan.
So I'm kitted out like a Bogan, and I honestly
feel like I've walked back thirty years.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
What are the Bogans drinking?

Speaker 14 (41:25):
Well, there's plenty of liquid amber and a whole lot
of check Daniels.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. Can you hear the
concert from your pub? Do you reckon?

Speaker 14 (41:34):
I can actually yeah, out on the back on the
back deck, I reckon. I'm close to the stage in
the other end of Eden Park, so you know it's
going to I'll be sitting out there myself having a
little listen, but it's going to be awesome.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, Because I was just wondering for people who might
want to, you know, go on, go on the cheap
and still have the experience, but without paying for a ticket.
Can they come around to your place?

Speaker 14 (41:55):
We're always welcome to coming have an ale with us
here and and then and listen to the sounds. But
the whole of Kingsland's just rocking. It's just such a
great vibe and seys we need more of these, don't
we tell you?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Tell me about it? How has it been lately? Has
it been okay this year for concerts?

Speaker 4 (42:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Not really.

Speaker 14 (42:13):
I mean we've we've had we've had a couple, but
they're all going to the smaller places, you know. I mean,
obviously it's difficult when these big guys come to town
that they have to shut down a little bit earlier
and it makes things difficult, but they look it looks
like things may open up in that area. And the
vibe is just awesome. It's a great time and rains
bug it off. And yeah, we need a lot more

(42:34):
of these. I think ye Auckland definitely does. The New
Zealand definitely don't need them. Hospitality needs to get a
good portion these. These help.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
These help big time too, right, are you all in
for this?

Speaker 24 (42:44):
You know?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Expanded concerts at Eden Park.

Speaker 14 (42:47):
Have to be I mean like hospitality is, you know,
is the livelihood in some cases to a lot of people.
And you know, all our younguns grow up going through
hospitality and working in bars and restas and so forth,
and we play a big part of the in the
community as well. So yeah, I'm fully supportive of anything
that's not just concerts, but anything that's going to come

(43:09):
and eat the park and bring bring people to town.
It's just such a good vibe. I mean, people forget
about the vibe it does, smiles on people's dolls. That's great,
brilliant stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Okay, I'm loath to do this, but top Metallica song.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Nothing else matters.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
From you, Shane, I love it. Shane on full time
full time bar general manager ants how fast are you?

Speaker 10 (43:33):
Who?

Speaker 3 (43:34):
You got it? Or you can see answers trying.

Speaker 11 (43:38):
Maybe you should pass forward through it.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
No, this is the good bit. No, because it's but
this is the bit that people like me like because
it's not too stressful. It's when they start hitting those
guitars it's stressful. Here's some numbers for the UK. They
have hundreds of speakers up tonight. They have one hundred
and fifty decibells per output used in the show. They
have sticks. This is what The speaker set up is
they have twenty cabinet speakers, ten subwiffers. There will be

(44:03):
one hundred and twenty speakers around the stage, forty eight
speakers in the back, forty hanging subwhiffers. Why do you
make the beautiful music? Go away?

Speaker 24 (44:10):
There?

Speaker 8 (44:10):
We go?

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Seven to two floor wedges, forty eight on the ground
under the stage. It's going to if you're there, you're
going to be You know what I'm doing when I
go there, I'm taking a little earplugs to pop them
in like a nanna, and you're going to need to
do that too. Hither you don't sound too well, I
hope you're okay. I'm fine. I sang too much at
Lenni on Saturday night. I'm going to tell you about
that shortly, and I'm not going to be singing at

(44:34):
Metallica tonight.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
There it is?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
How much your first thing for being there tonight? Yes,
Metallica five twenty one.

Speaker 11 (44:44):
To trust you are.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
It's Heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage
like no one else used talk they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
There no emergency motels, suspended puberty blockers, cheap faries, all
of it is great news. We're going to talk to
Simeon Brown, who's the Health Minister, about the puberty blockers, which,
if you haven't caught the news, have effectively been banned
for kids, so teams under the age of what eighteen
or whatever, but everybody else who needs them for medical reasons,
we'll be able to get them. He's going to talk
us through it after the half past five news. It's

(45:20):
twenty four past five.

Speaker 14 (45:22):
Now.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
If you don't take away anything from that Business New
Zealand report on what this country needs to do in
the next few decades, take this away. Our population must
double in size to ten million in the next thirty
five years.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Business New Zealand's reason for this is that it's because
we're facing a la labor shortage. We could be potentially
short a quarter of a million people and we run
the real risk that we might stop growing population wise
in the next few decades. Business New Zealander is of
course not the first group to say this. You might
recall even Simon Bridges said it a couple of years back.
I suspect Business New Zealand is going to run into

(45:55):
the same trouble that Simon did when he said it,
which is that your average voter is going to say
no because they don't want any more migrants crowding cities
and taking houses, and politicians, the average politicians just going
to ignore it because they can't be fact coming up
with the infrastructure and the housing and the population plans
that you need to prepare for that many people coming
into the country. But let me tell you something. This
needs to happen, and it's simply because we are not

(46:17):
having enough babies of our own. One day. They need
to become workers, and they need to become taxpayers, and
they need to help pay the country's bills. Right now,
we have just look at the superannuation problem we've got
right right now, we have four and a half workers
supporting every single pension and drawing superannuation from the government.
In the next three decades or so, which is my lifetime,
your lifetime, all of our lifetimes, it's only going to

(46:39):
be down to two workers. That's unsustainable. But also bigger
is better. I mean, you basically heard that from the
bar just before. More people means we can afford better infrastructure,
We can afford better trains. We can afford more tunnels,
more bridges. We'll have more vibrant cities. We'll have more
top quality restaurants, more clever young people doing innovative things.
More artists come and stop here because there are enough

(47:00):
people wanting to buy tickets in one location instead of
forcing us to do an oasis and fly to Melbourne
to see them. Business New Zealand is right, we do
need ten million people, but my guess is no one's
going to tell them that they're right, and no one's
going to prepare for it. It will happen, but it
will happen in the same way that all of our
population growth has happened, which is unplanned and accidental.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Forgever do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I don't know how I feel about this. Apparently Kevin Costner.
Actually I do know how I feel about this. Kevin
Costner is considering playing Bill Clinton in a new political
drama series which is called United.

Speaker 24 (47:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I'm all about that because I love me a bit
of Kevin Costner, and I was not upset with the
Yellowstone that happened, and he fought with everybody and he
sounded like a complete prat. I was like, oh, well,
you know what can you do? So I'm I'm happy
to watch this. However, the show is going to be
about the United Nations and it's going to be produced
in association with the United Nations. Now what does that?

Speaker 12 (47:54):
What?

Speaker 19 (47:55):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
That's right? What did your face just do?

Speaker 12 (47:57):
It?

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Did that thing right? Because who's paying for it is
the UN paying? How do you feel about the UN
paying for it? Would it not be better if the
UN spent their money actually trying to feed starving children
and inoculating people and preventing disease instead of just doing
some pr for themselves. Simeon Brown's next.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home, it's heather due to
c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power
of satellite mobile news talks enbly.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Apparently the average spent well, yeah, I think it is
the average spin The average spend on Christmas presents this
year is going to be about one hundred and forty dollars.
We'll talk to Mary Holm, personal finance expert about that.
After six o'clock. The huddle is standing by right now,
it's twenty five away from six. Now, it's a big
move from the government today on the use of puberty blockers.
From the nineteenth of December, transgender children will no longer

(48:58):
have access to puberty block unless they're already using them.
Puberty blockers, by the way, if you don't know other
hormones that delay puberty and young people can stop it
all together. Simeon Brown is the Health Minister and with
us Hi, Simon Hi, here the hell are you? And well,
thank you? Why have you moved to effectively ban them
all together?

Speaker 25 (49:14):
We are following the evidence from both the CAST report
and also the Ministry of Health evidence brief from last year,
which showed there's a lack of high quality evidence that
demonstrates the benefits or risks of the use of these
treatments on children with gender dysphoria or incongruence. And while
this uncertainty persists, we're taking a precautionary approach for our

(49:38):
children to make sure that there are strongest safeguards in
place and effectively, what we're doing is putting in place
a restriction on the prescribing of these drugs for this purpose,
to make sure that those who are prescribing look at
what of the wider range of treatments or things that
can be done to support those children.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Okay, what is the uncertainty is that this is reversible.

Speaker 25 (50:02):
Well, there's a range of things which has been considered
as part of the CASTS Report, its impacts in terms
of a child's development, impacts on terms of the organs,
and other things which have been considered. Effectively, the evidence
through the CAST Report and also the Ministry of Health's
Evidence Brief basically found there's not it. There's been no

(50:25):
high quality evidence to prove the benefits or risks of
these treatments, all these drugs for this purpose, and therefore,
in terms with the absence of that, we need to
take a precautionary approach in these instances, and that's why
we're following what the UK has done in which we're
putting a band in place for the prescribing of these drugs.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Yeah, all right, did you not think about an intermediate
step perhaps where you let it a clinical psychologist or
somebody who's very well trained make the decision for transgender
children who are genuinely trans.

Speaker 25 (50:57):
Well, there's a range of other things and services which
are provided for children who do present to clinicians with
gender incongruence or gender dysphoria, and we expect those clinicians
to continue to work with them and their families. We've
also made the decision, and are.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
They able to prescribe puberty blockers.

Speaker 25 (51:16):
No, they won't be able to, but they'll be able
to consider other interventions, and there's a range of interventions
that are well, there's a range of psychosocial interventions that
are provided to support children and their families as they go.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Through that process.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Just to be clear, there is nothing that can stop
them from actually developing into a man or a woman right.

Speaker 25 (51:36):
Well, effectively, the evidence, as I said, the evidence from
both the Cash Report and also the Ministry of Health's
Evidence Brief shows a lack of evidence around the safeguards
in terms of the safety of these particular drugs.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, no, I mean that's cool. I understand. What I'm
trying to just ascertain is any kind of interventions or
help that are able to be provided if you don't
have the puberty blockers. These kids will have to go
through puberty, will have to become the the gender they
don't think they are, right.

Speaker 25 (52:02):
And there's a range of other interventions that can be
provided for those children through that process as they grow
older to be able to ensure that they can go
through the process and receive that and that's what we
expect those clinicians to provide those services for them.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Okay, Now, this is basically essentially an effective pause until
this clinical trial is completed in the UK. How long
is that going to take?

Speaker 25 (52:27):
Well, it will take some time. Clinical trials are not
done overnight, so I imagine that will take probably some years.
But ultimately the decision has been made in the same
way that the UK government has in what some of
the Scandinavian countries have done, which is efectively put a
pause on the prescribing of these drugs whilst there is

(52:48):
further evidence collected. The UK government is ahead of where
we are. They have already started work and putting together
a clinical trial and once that clinical trial has reported
its evidence, that will allow the Ministry of Health to
provide us with further evidence as to what the decision
should be going forward.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Right, saman thanks very much for talking us through. To
appreciate it. Simmy and Brown, Health Minister twenty away.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 3 (53:16):
On the huddle of this this evening we have Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster. Hello lads, Jordan, listen,
this news is obviously just broken this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Do you have any view on us on the puberty blocking?

Speaker 24 (53:28):
Yeah, hither I have enough enemies fighting for lower taxes.
I am, as I am. It's probably the only topic
I don't want to go there.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I mean, I I.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Well, okay, well Jordan, so is it for you so tricky?

Speaker 12 (53:47):
Like?

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Do you think that this is such a tricky and
vexed issue you actually don't even want to talk about it.

Speaker 24 (53:54):
I have a staffer who has strong views on transgender
matters and gets death threats nearly every day. I think
that this is the most awful area of public policy.
I think I'm happy to pontificate that what the government
is doing I think is smart, notwithstanding saying you know,
frick it off to the experts when the effect cabinet
has the following internet, you know, particularly the UK. But

(54:19):
what governments are doing using the latest clinical information that
they have been given there is at least a as
you know, some people advocate that we will look back
on the last few years in the way that young

(54:39):
people that have questioning sexuality and been arguably or affirmed
or shepherded into lopping off their breasts or doing terrible things,
that one could argue that we could look back on
the period of the last ten years with horror, which
here I am taking a position, but is real. It's

(55:01):
one I don't really like to get to get into
because it's just awful treatment of people on both sides.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Jordan, I don't think that you should feel ashamed of that.
I think that there are some issues that are just
so difficult that people don't want to talk about it,
and it is one of them saying, so, look, I mean,
this is a it is a difficult subject, but it
is It is very difficult to see it as being
the right thing to do to allow young people before
they really are old enough to make decisions to effectively
sterilize themselves right by preventing their own pabty.

Speaker 10 (55:31):
My view on this is colored a bit by a
good friend of mine who went through exactly that their
child decided that this wasn't the they believed they were
a different gender, and they started procedures, and then there
was a change of sudden. No, I was just going
through a phase. I don't believe that now.

Speaker 24 (55:49):
Oh it's just a nightmare, Heather, nightmare.

Speaker 10 (55:52):
Now, that doesn't mean that it couldn't necessarily be youthful,
for you know, this is where the psychiatrist and everyone
else is to has to come into it. I mean,
anyone you talk to in that area, it is there's
so many whether it's caused by the dysmorphear or whatever,
but there are so many issues, mental health issues around

(56:12):
the whole treatment and preparation.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I mean, I think you're getting at there sayings it
was a very salient point, right that there will be
a very small number of kids who truly are trans.
But if we know one thing about kids having been
kids and raised kids, is that kids convince themselves of
a thing that they are like their friends, and it's
very hard to kind of pick apart who really is
trans and who is just going with the kind of
trendy thing. Right, that's part of the problem.

Speaker 10 (56:36):
Yep, yeah, I mean, and look, the big the faar
with it, I suppose was you know, Cayden's steps that
certainly that couldn't be reversed or couldn't be dealt with
and like in this particular case, it was just it
was just horrific.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
So was it reversible in the case that you're talking about? Sorry,
was it reversible in the case that you're talking about?

Speaker 10 (56:59):
Are still going through as she's over there?

Speaker 24 (57:01):
Either?

Speaker 10 (57:02):
Yeah, I know that wasn't quite as simple. It wasn't
a simple So we'll.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Take a quick break. I really appreciate it. We'll come
back with another subject. And just to take this, Mark Sainsbury,
Jordan Williams out the Huddle to seven x sixteen away
from six.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the only
truly global brand right.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Back of the Huddle. Jordan Williams and Mark Sainsbury Jordan
do you buy Winston Peter's argument that he saved billions
on the fairies?

Speaker 24 (57:26):
Well, I mean they were landed with a pretty terrible
situation with Kiwi Rail that it totally boils it up,
and Treasure Advice saying it was going to cost what
four and a half billion or twice what what TV
Rail initially said it was going to but of course
being the government instead of you know, clearing out Kiwi

(57:46):
Rail and doing a proper job and asking the fundamental question,
which is why don't the textpayer needed fun fairies? And
we've got private operators and the rest of the world
that do this sort of stuff every day instead. And
I can tell you that the text page Union had
snuffed this out. We discovered about an hour ago that
in our building, no less, this Fairy Holdings company takes

(58:07):
up our whole floor. Yeah, so it may have saved billions,
very good. But instead of sorting out, you know, the
actual company that's supposed to run the faeries, and you
know that would presumably include you know, buying them, they've
created a whole new bureaucracy and a floor on Lampden
key of of bureaucrats to manage this classic Wellington. But

(58:28):
credit credits I.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Don't remember them. I can't remember the exact figure. But
I saw the I saw how much Fairy Holdings is
costing us, and it's it's a surprisingly big number. Actually,
says are were you impressed with the steel? I mean
bearing in mind, so in the context is it was
going to cost labor two point six billions for their fairies.
It's essentially costing US two point five billion for the steel,
which doesn't feel like a massive saving.

Speaker 10 (58:49):
No, and then as he had in the cost of
Winston flying to China to have a celebratory Yeah, I
mean next, look, in some ways, maybe it's part of
the but you're going on and on about all these
unnecessary costs and these consultants and all these people, who
are you feeding off the teeth? And then they're going,
we're all flying over the kind to have.

Speaker 14 (59:10):
Some sort of serum seramony.

Speaker 24 (59:13):
Well, I think you're being a bit but I'm not
if you guys know, I'm not one to sort of
whole fire on Winstone. But the Treasury advice was that
this was going to this had doubled in cost.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
There was a projection you're the real saving here.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
And that was that a prodiction or was that actually like,
could they actually give us the receipts for that?

Speaker 24 (59:32):
They pulled the plug on, and that seemed for you.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Come on, jan you were you didn't come down in
a rain shower last night. You know very well that
Treasury tells you what you want Treasury to tell.

Speaker 24 (59:41):
You, right, So No, I think when they entered off us,
this was one of the flashing red lights saying Lite,
you've got to deal with us.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I mean, there's probably a whole whole chat and how
we've lost confidence in treasury saying so is the fault
of the Breakers for not wanting to the Pride flag?
Or is it the fault? Is it the fault? Alternative theory?
Is it the fault of the NBL the league for
making a Pride week and creating a situation like this
the potential for it to happen, you will.

Speaker 10 (01:00:12):
I've sort of created and shoehl them into it. Lookay
tell you this sort of raised a bit of I second,
remember old Israel Phalau and yeaht of trouble he got
into because I'm sort of reading this thing and I'm
trying to work out so they're trying to protect individual players.
So obviously there are individual players within the Breakers who
don't want to wear it, and so to avoid them
being singled out for not wearing it, they all won't

(01:00:33):
wear it. It's just a bit said it take you nowhere,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
You know?

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
I sort of pastor that a bit you don't. Yeah, look,
I just found the whole thing about trading. But then again,
I think You've got a point there. They should have
thought this thing through before they put teams into this decision.
See what you know, the rugby did it during the
during the rugby championship, Yeah, the Super Rugby. You know,
there was different themes each each week, and pride was

(01:01:00):
one of those. Ye, it's sort of become part of it.
But issues and a lot of conservative conservative sports people,
well this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Is the thing Jordan. And in twenty twenty two, a
year before these guys started doing it in basketball, the
same thing happened in the NRL. So why did they
not learn from that?

Speaker 24 (01:01:18):
Well, I think the open windows shifted a bit on this.
You know, I would say good on the breakers for
doing it, because I'm sorry, it's not homophobia to not
go along with what you know, the pride movement and
what it now is. I mean, you look at I
have gay staff who don't agree with the Rainbow movement

(01:01:38):
because of where it's gone on the trans issues and
various other file eve activism. But you look at someone
like Stephen Rainbow, the Human Rights Commissioner. You know, he
was attacked by the despite being the wrong sort of Rainbow,
so not subscribing to all the.

Speaker 14 (01:01:54):
Other activist views.

Speaker 24 (01:01:56):
Look, I'm sorry, but I mean we see this all
the time through the Free Speech Union, that government agencies
think you must be you must be virtuous, you must
go along with this pride activism, or there's something wrong
with you. Well no, look, I'm sorry, we well we're
well passed. You know that it's not bigotry to not
go along with all the other things that are tacked

(01:02:18):
on to these activist movements. And I say good on
the breakers actually saying look, we here to play rugby. Sorry,
let we'll let well, you know, kind of rugby.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Like basketball, basketball like rugby, says Or has just shown
that he doesn't understand sports.

Speaker 24 (01:02:38):
Yeah, guys, sports ball beat sports ball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I say, oh lord.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
God, thank you so much. You guys appreciate it. Mark Sains,
Brig Jordan Williams a hut all this evening. I mean basketball, rugby.
What's the difference eight away from six?

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Hither as appearance of a trans son, Simeon's response is
simply ignorant. This response is on par with using conversion
therapy on gays. So I tell you what, do not
underestimate how upset people will be about this today, okay,
And I think if there's one thing I can say
about this debate, it would be just to try to
be kind about it, because, oh lord, do I sound
like just Cinder. It's because I'm reading her book. Reading

(01:03:24):
the book. It's to just deal with it with empathy, right,
because I think, look on balance, I do feel that
the right decision is that the decision that's been taken
today is closer to the right decision than where it
was before we were prescribing. I don't know if you're
aware of the numbers, but we were prescribing puberty blockers
at a rate that was like multiples of the UK.

(01:03:44):
I can't remember exactly seven, eight, nine, ten times what
the UK was prescribing there. It was quite obvious that
there was way too much freedom in New Zealand. With that,
probably I would have liked to have seen them end
up somewhere a little bit more nuanced, where maybe a
clinical psychologist could, like after a lot of rigorous stuff,
could figure out yep, this CAD definitely is trans rather

(01:04:04):
than just the vibe that they may be and give
it in the very very rarest of circumstances. So you know,
as I say, on balance, probably closer to the right decision,
but still pretty hard decision four away from sex. Okay,
so listen, let's talk about Lenny Kravitz. So I have
been dying to tell you about Lenny Kravitz. This is
Lenny is the reason that my voice is like it
is today because I went to Lenny and I just

(01:04:27):
had the best time. I don't even I'm not even
a Lenny fan. I didn't. I had to listen to
the set list beforehand to kind of like know even
like about seven of his songs, but when it was
such a fantastic concert, as one hundred percent the second
best concert I've ever been to Coldplavers the first, this
was the second, and again not even a massive Coldplay fan.
What it was was he's a performer, right, so he

(01:04:48):
knows he's like seventy percent good on the music. The
rest is just sex. So he just came out all sexy.
He was like fingers in his pants, like tugging down
at it. His musicians, the ones with the good bodies
on the bass and the one on the sacks, had
to basically get their shirts off for the girls. So
they were standing there with their their T shirt, muscles
out and stuff. He had just like more lights than

(01:05:10):
you've ever seen. He had an enormous stage of Yep,
it was an enormous set of stage screens. That's what
I was talking about. Lots of smoke. Just the man
is just you know what it is. He's a performer.
And what I've realized is when you go to a concert,
it is actually less about the content and more about
the performance. He put a show on. Anyway, so I sang,

(01:05:33):
I did that thing that boomers do. I was like, yeah, baby,
I can't even do it now.

Speaker 21 (01:05:38):
Sing along head they come on, I can't sing anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
It was wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Go and see Lenny if you get a chance. Personal
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Be coming up in the next hour of Milford Asset
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to her about that, and then, of course Gavin Gray
is with us out of the UK. It's seven past six.
Now Christmas is just around the corner, and if you
haven't braved them all yet, it's probably time to start.

(01:06:20):
But a new survey out shows that keys are quite
skin to this Christmas. The average person is going to
spend about one hundred and forty dollars on presents this year.
That's down from about one hundred and sixty three dollars
last year. Mary Holm is a personal finance journalist and
author and with us Hi Mary Hi Hi hea that
this is just a sign of financial times, isn't it you.

Speaker 20 (01:06:40):
Look, I suppose it is. Although every year, you know,
you get some people saying, oh my gosh, I haven't
got enough money to spend on Christmas and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Look up.

Speaker 20 (01:06:51):
Basically, what I would love families to do is think
about how putting financial pressure on themselves in order to
perhaps buy more presents for the children must end up
with them being not such nice parents in the long run,
you know, if in January they're stressed and.

Speaker 7 (01:07:11):
All of that.

Speaker 20 (01:07:12):
And so, I mean, of course you can't put the
question to the child and say would you rather have
a happy mummy and daddy in January? And fewer presents,
but in fact I suspect that is what the kids
would prefer. Really, yeah, it's just awful.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
So what's your advice, Mary, don't spend as much on
the Christmas presents?

Speaker 20 (01:07:35):
In my weekend here on Q and A column. A
few different times over the years, I've said to readers,
you know, what are your suggestions on cutting back Christmas spending?
And some of them just quickly. There's a secret center
which we all know about, where you all pull a
name out of the hat for next year and buy
only the one present, and that can work well. Or

(01:07:58):
there's buying only op shop gifts yep, or second hand
books only, which you know could be quite fun going
and rummaging around bookshops to find the right gift for people.
Or making your gifts, you know, you have to either
do some baking or perhaps put the plant from the
garden in a pot, or do some knitting or something

(01:08:22):
like that. I mean, another one that my family has
done is, apart from the children, don't give one another
Christmas presents. Give a nice birthday present instead, and that
means that you can actually concentrate on that one person
when their birthday comes round, and you know, give them

(01:08:42):
something decent for their birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
And what do you think do you think that it's
better for the kids, Like, can you trick the kids
with lots with a bunch of much cheaper presents or
is it better to go for one more more substantial present.

Speaker 20 (01:08:58):
Well, you know, obviously the more substantial good present in
the long run is the good one. The trouble is
could see all the all the stuff their friends get it.
Oh look, it's not easy, and you know it's controversy
about the colored sand at the moment. People go out by,
you know, cheap toys for kids and they don't always
turn out to be good quality. There's no really easy

(01:09:25):
answer for the children.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
I think.

Speaker 20 (01:09:26):
I think it's much easier to limit your spending on
adults and teenagers, you know, give them twenty bucks and
then they can spend it their own way.

Speaker 23 (01:09:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:09:37):
Look, yeah, I haven't got a magic answer about that.
For children.

Speaker 10 (01:09:40):
I have to say, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Are you hearing from people?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Merri Well?

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
No, And I you know, that's why I was asking you,
because this is always the difficulty, and parents put themselves
in difficult situations out of the goodness of their hearts,
right because they're trying to do the right things by
the kids, and you just your heart breaks if you
can't even afford present for your kids. What are you hearing, Mary,
Are you hearing that people are finding it tough this year?

Speaker 20 (01:10:07):
Yes, but you know, yeah, I think perhaps you know,
a bit tougher than last year for some. But you know,
on the other hand, it sounds like there might be
some signs that the economy is actually picking up. And
so look, I don't know whether food is certainly one
thing that keeps coming into the limelight is costing more,

(01:10:30):
doesn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:10:31):
And and.

Speaker 20 (01:10:33):
You know the amount of money that families spend on
food at Christmas, you've got to wonder about you know,
could they perhaps just all get together and say, look,
what's something lovely we can do that doesn't cost and
perhaps not a traditional thing, because the trouble is the
turkeys and the traditional food. The prices go up then
because the shops know they can put no, no, you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Can't be doing I mean, we can't be doing Christmas turkeys.
Can we had summer for God's sake?

Speaker 20 (01:11:00):
Yeah? Well that's quite right, yes, And so you know,
a family can come up with I don't know, you
know some lovely fish fish or I actually end up
doing vegetarian because I'm surrounded by vegetarians and that's fine
and very lovely.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Yeah, very bloody healthy and the end. Mary, thanks very
much appreciated. Mary Holme, personal finance journalists and author based
by the way, on whether the economy is at an
inflection point. Brendan from Milford Acid Managements with us and
just Attack. Apparently the company that owns blue Bridge is
up for sale, so the Australian newspapers, the Australians were impressive.

(01:11:37):
The Australian breaks a lot of yarns about what's going
on with our business community here in New Zealand. And
it is reporting that Morgan Stanley Infrastructure, which owns the
parent company of Bluebridge, is hoping to sell it. They
bought it in January three years ago, so January twenty
two for a reported five hundred million dollars and apparently
they're hoping to sell it for a billion dollars, which
is that's not bad jeez. I mean, I tell you

(01:11:59):
what Labour wants to to get his hands on some
of those capital gains right there. I would definitely line
their coffers hither if Coldplay and Lenny Kravitz are the
best gigs you've ever been to, I've got advice that
would transform your music taste. Oh gosh, what impression have
I left you with? I am not a Lenny Kravitz fan,
nor am I a cold Play fan. I was hoping

(01:12:20):
I would conveyed that earlier. I don't actually like like
I don't particularly like Coldplay or Lenny Kravitz. They put
on the best gags. I mean, this is what I'm
trying to say to you. It's not actually so much
about the music. It's just about how much of these
dudes are enjoying the music on the stage, going part
of part of the concert club is going to things

(01:12:40):
we wouldn't normally go to, which is exactly how I
find myself going to Metallica tonight. So who knows, maybe
I'll come back to you and I'll be like Metallica
best gag I've ever been to. Somehow, though I don't
feel that's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Six fourteen, It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full
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Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Your futures in good hands? Us talks EDB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Hither the best and cheapest Christmas is going for a
basic picnic. Our family have done this for thirty years.
We just make sandwiches, which is a fantastic idea from Susie.
It's seventeen past six, right, Brendan Larseners with MILFD Acid Management.
Hi Brendon Good evening, Brenda, listen. Just tell us how
you think the economy has been unfolding of late?

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Yes, sure, so, I guess clearly. Up until the October
iarviian Zen meeting, the flow of data really was quite poor.
So GDP posted a very week second quarter, and although
the detail around private consumption perhaps wasn't as bad as feared,
the report overall did spook the ibn Z. The week
GDP also came alongside a further slowing in the labor market,

(01:13:54):
which meant that there was more spec capacity in the
economy than the ibn Z had expected. Alongside this, we've
also seen a trend in mortgage holders keeping their refixing
very short between six months in one year and so
That means that the easing that the AVNZ has done
to date hasn't really been flowing through via the mortgage
channel like it usually does, given those shorter rates are

(01:14:14):
often much higher than the two and three year rates
where people usually fix. And so this spare capacity in
the economy, as well as a desire to keep wholesale
and therefore mortgage rates lower to get the intended easing
and debt costs, was really the reason the IBNZ delivered
that fifty base point rate cut in October.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Okay, so I mean, obviously some weak conditions, but the
Reserve Bank has a single inflation Mandate's what's the latest there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
Yeah, Look, it's a good point, and I think it
really comes back to the spare capacity argument I made
just a moment ago. So consumer prices rose three percent
in the third quarter, and so that's the top of
the ibnz's one to three percent banned and an acceleration
on the second quarter. So at face value, people may
wonder how a central bank focus solely on inflation could
justify cutting by fifty bases points, And as I say,

(01:14:59):
really it comes down to their view that there is
a lot of spare capacity and that should put downward
pressure on inflation over the medium term. Within that Q
three CPR report, we also can see that a lot
of the upside came from food and more volatile items,
whereas cyclical categories like housing were actually weaker, and so
that does show that domestic conditions are still really tough.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Okay, So since we had that fifty basis point cut
in October, have we seen any notable changes in the economy?

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
Look, I think there are tentative signs of improvement, but
we want to see more conclusive data before we're really
shouting from the rooftops. We need to remember that we've
had three hundred basis points of rate cuts for the
high chance of another twenty five basis points next week,
and so that is a substantial amount of easing that
should start showing up more clearly. So, as I mentioned earlier,
one of the reasons we think that the reaction in

(01:15:48):
the economy to rate cuts this time is slower is
due to almost all of the mortgage that we're rolling
over this year being refixed at very short tenors, and
so once people start turning up their debt, there is
still easy to flow through on the data front to
your point. I think since October we have seen a
few things that show some signs of improvement. One of

(01:16:08):
them is the manufacturing PMI showing four of five categories
and expansion during the month, led by new orders, which
is a really positive signal for future growth. We've also
had the Services index show a second consecutive month of improvement,
and so that remains in contraction, but directionally that's better.
We've also had two months of improving job add data,

(01:16:29):
and the housing market is finally showing some signs of life,
with sales up fifteen percent in October and prices up
one point seven percent over the last three months, and
so we're optimistic that the bottom is in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Oh, how good, Brendan. I'm so pleased with that news.
Thank you, Brendan. Last and no Fit Asset Management twenty
past six. Yeah, okay, so listen. The Guardian has done
a piece on Nigel Ffrage. This is it's very long, like,
it's a really big piece. This is the headline, deeply shocking.
Nigel Farrage bases fresh claims of racism and anti semitism school.

(01:17:01):
So I spent the read it over the course this morning.
I thought, okay, what have we got here and look,
I am should they have run this story. It's a
story about what he did when he was thirteen years old. Now,
their argument, this is a Guardians argument for why they're
running the story, is this man could potentially be on
current polling, the next Prime Minister of Britain, which is

(01:17:22):
a fair point to make. But he was still thirteen
years old. Now, some of the allegations are not that
flash like. I mean, he's basically accused of being like
weirdly into Nazi stuff, right, So he was singing a
whole bunch of Nazi like songs, talking consistently about gassing people.
He'd go up to kids, this one particular kid, and

(01:17:43):
he'd whisper in his ear. Hitler was right, and he
was like a huge fan of Oswald Moseley, who's, of course,
you know, the famous fascist and Nazi mate over in
UK politics at around the time of the Second World War.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
But I.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
Can't get past the fact that he was thirteen years old.
What is the man now, Like he must be knocking
on the door of sixty five or seventy I guess
a long long time ago. And I would hate that
any of us would be judged by what we did
when we were thirteen years old. Anyway, we'll have a
chat Togo. I don't know if Gavin Gray has managed
to read it, because as I say, it's a very
long piece, But if he has, we'll have a chat
to him about it when he's with us in about

(01:18:17):
twenty minutes right now, six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Dupercila and Mass Motor
Vehicle Insurance.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Your future is in good hands News talks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
That'd be Heather. There is more than one hundred peda
jewels of gas missing from the New Zealand economy and
big industrial users are on demand management electricity contracts. This
is an economy with resource scarcity where productions constrained. The
rate cuts won't fix this. I do not see a
recovery in the scenario. Look, lord, it's pretty grim, I

(01:18:52):
think looking at what's going on at the moment, I'm
not feeling I wouldn't feel confident enough to say, yeah,
it's all it's all guns blazing from here. Does anybody
feel like that? I don't think anybody does. Nobody feels
like we're turbo charging into next year, do we It's
sort of like we'll take what we can get and
we'll make the most of it if we possibly can. Also,
speaking of taking what we can get, Tory Farno has
announced that she's moving to Melbourne. She confirmed it in

(01:19:14):
a private Facebook event. She hasn't said if she's got
a job to go to, but that is her done.
After she missed out on the electric seat what do
they call it, the Mary Ward seat on Wellington City Council,
She's decided she's done with it. Pullpin off, she goes
joins the Brain Drain six twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
There's no business like show business.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
So one of the year's biggest celebrity deaths, of course,
as we know, was Ozzie Osbourne and his son Jack
is now opening up about his passing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Jack is currently on but I'm a Celebrity, Get Me
out of Here, which is a show over in the
UK at the moment. We're not the only ones, as
you can tell, who have questionable celebrity shows. He told
his fellow castaways on the show that while they knew
that Ozzie was sick, his death actually came really suddenly.
He said it was the ultimate mic drop. This is
Jack said, it was the ultimate mic drop. He did

(01:20:05):
a massive, big gig and was like, all right, I'm done.
But fans are getting a lot of insight into different
parts of Jack's life in a crazy family. He's also
talked about filming the Osbournes when he was just seventeen
years old. You'll remember he had a massive afro and
he had glasses.

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
They were only supposed to film us for three weeks
to do a pilot, and then they just end up
staying for like four years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yeah, it was an amazing show. It kind of led
the way for everybody else, for better or worse.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Now, it doesn't sound like Jack is a fan of
reality TV and he reckons Ozzie wasn't a fan of
reality TV either, which is kind of ironic because they
made reality TV and Jack is on another reality TV show.
But look, who am I to question people's choices? Jack said,
if Ozzie was still alive, he'd have stopped him from
going on. But I'm a celebrity. I think most parents

(01:20:54):
would stop their children from doing But I'm a celebrity,
wouldn't we right? Jane TIBs Trainy Janey has got the
inside scoop and what's goop? You remember the old e
qc Levy. It's now got a different name. It's like
a NAS Natural Hazards thing or whatever. Who cares anyway,
that is due to go up and push your insurance
up again, but not until after the election, of course,
So she'll talk us through shortly Use Talks.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
NB everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour,

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we had the duper c Allen and Mass.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Motor vehicle insurance.

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Your futures in good hands, Used Talks Nbrigaded.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Gray is going to be with us in ten minutes time.
This is not a joke what I'm about to tell you.
You can actually apply for TV and z's breakfast job
if you want to. This is the job that Jenny
May is vacating. It's up on Seek. Is it up
on Seek or is it just on TVNZ's website. It did,
I don't know. It's definitely on It's definitely on TVNZ's website,
So go an ad it. If you think if you
look at yourself on them, if you often look at

(01:22:17):
yourself on them right and think cheesy, beautiful, you should
be on tally with a face like that, and then
you turn on TV and Z Breakfast and you get
could do a better job than this. Now's your chance,
and it's not bad money. By the way, the salary
is between two hundred and fifty thousand and three hundred
and fifty thousand. Yeah, two hundred and fifty to three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars you could pay. You can
pay your grocery bills with that kind of money.

Speaker 8 (01:22:38):
Go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
And then when you actually get the job once again,
you know the deal on this show. If you get
if you save money or make money because of tips,
I'm giving you ten percent commission fee twenty four away
from seven Heather Do for sea hour, just in case
you needed to remember who you're going to pay that
ten percent to the government's delaying a hike, as I
was telling you earlier, to its insurance levy. The hikes

(01:23:00):
supposed to go up by about two to three hundred
dollars from mid next year. Nichola Willis has just announced
she's going to delay the rise by a year, so
it kicking after the election water surprise. Jenative Trainee is
The Herald's Wellington business editor and with us Hi Jena Hi.
Why the delay.

Speaker 26 (01:23:16):
Well, Nikola Willis told me that she's aware that, you know,
insurance premiums have been rising a lot in recent years.
They've really put households under pressure, and you know, she
doesn't want to add to that cost. She's also mindful that,
you know, if insurance premiums go up by too much,
then some households might water down their cover or get

(01:23:38):
rid of their insurance altogether, which then would cause an
even bigger problem for you know, New Zealand, for the
resilience of households. So look, I think that this issue
is pretty interesting. I became aware of it because the
Treasury reached out to insurance companies to let them know

(01:23:59):
that nothing would be done before mid twenty twenty seven.
So I don't know if the government was ever going
to announce this, but it has just quietly pushed the
can down the road. The issue is that the Natural
Hazards Commission does not have enough money to cover the
costs of a big disaster. So you know, the Treasury

(01:24:20):
reckons these levies really do need to go up. But
of course no government minister, particularly this government, wants to
hike taxes effectively. As we're being political about it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Yeah, so at the moment it has about six hundred
million and it's kitty, right, What should it actually have
in order to cover a big event?

Speaker 26 (01:24:39):
Yeah, so the reinsurance that the Commission has that only
kicks in if the costs exceed two point two billion dollars.
So anything below two point two for a certain event
needs to be covered by the Commission. But the Commission
only has six hundred million and it's kitty. So that

(01:25:01):
means if there is a big disaster, the Crown could
have to pay up to one point six billion dollars.
So the thing here is that effectively someone always has
to pay. The model we have, the idea is that
it's sort of doesn't expose the Crown's balance sheet too much.
You know, it keeps the cost contained. You're a homeowner,

(01:25:22):
you pay the levees, you know, the levees attacked onto
your private insurance premiums, You pay levies, and then when
you need to pay out you tap into this. But
you know, if more of the cost falls on the Crown,
then that means the Crown needs to borrow more and
the cost of that, you know, of covering homeowners is

(01:25:43):
covered by all of us people who don't own homes
as well, and the cost gets pushed out into the future,
you know, the future generations who then take on that debt.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
So in the point that you've just made is that
at two point two billion, that's when the if the
cost exceeds that, that's when the reinsurance came. And because
it hasn't got enough money and it's ketty, we were
not going to miss out on this, right, the government
can top it up to two point two and then
we get the reinsurance.

Speaker 26 (01:26:07):
Yes, the government can top it up. So it's just
you know, it's just a matter of who pays. Do
we all pay or do just homeowners pay?

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Yeah, brilliant Jinnay, thanks very much for I really appreciate
you explaining. That's Jen natchip Training, The Herald's Wellington Business editor. Heither,
a friend of mine has just put her late model
vehicle on third party as the main insurance was now
too expensive. That's from Dave and Christchich. I'll tell you
what I was talking to the German about this today,
and in fact, I was recounting a conversation I had

(01:26:33):
with the husband last night because I was watching the
news and It might have been last night, night before.
I can't remember. Days have become a blur when you're
not at work, and it was it was Apropos Luxe
and standing. It might have been Monday, because I feel
like he was at the podium and he was sort
of saying, oh, you know the polls. It was purpoing
that IPSOS monitor pole that shows that labor is now
in the lead, you know, in terms of handling the

(01:26:54):
economy and stuff like that. And what he said was, oh, look,
we know it's really hard for people out there. But
he had a look on his face that didn't say
that he knew how hard it was for people out there.
And the point that I was making to the husband
and the have of course now recounted to the German,
is that I think I'm on a reasonably good income, right,
but I look at how much things are costing me,
and I feel like I can't get a hit. I

(01:27:15):
look at the rates, like how much are your Look
at your rates, it's out the gate, how much we're
paying in rates. Then you look at your insurance and
you're like, what the hell that's Nutso then you look
at the grocery bill just to feed the kids, right
and the family that's out the gate, Like I don't
know that I can do a grocery shop under three
hundred dollars at the moment, you know, Like Lord, if

(01:27:37):
you can, all power to you, then you look at
the power builts and that's nuts as well. And I
think I'll tell you what I reckon lux in A
national's problem on this particular issue right on the cost
of living thing is they say that they know it's
hard out there, but they don't look like they know
it's hard out there. It is flipping hard out there

(01:27:57):
for people at the moment it has and the longer
it goes on, even though the green shoots are there,
the longer it goes on, the more wearying it is.
And the less that you know, those kinds just paying
lip service to it, the less it counts. So they
better get up to speed very quickly with the fact
that they're in berg trouble on that. And that's not
imaginary polling people are feeling that because actually, when I

(01:28:18):
saw Luckson's face say those words, I have to be honest,
I got a little bit angry, and I got a
bit angry about the news the other night. What I
need to tell you about though, just to switch subject altogether,
because I know the social media thing is happening at
the moment as well. Is have you seen the latest
with the gaming platform Roadblocks? Now, Roadblocks is the thing
that the kids use, right, and so kids are on
at very very young age. Roadblocks has now announced that

(01:28:39):
they're going to be doing age verification. So what they
need if you're going to sign on to Roadblocks, you've
got to take your picture of yourself, do a selfie.
Then they're going to use facial recognition software to kind
of work out roughly how old you are, and they're
going to put you in brackets, right, so are you twelve,
are you nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, whatever,
and then you know, eighteen twenty one up whatever, And

(01:29:02):
then based on what they calculate your age to be.
And apparently it's very it's pretty accurate with kids anybody
under like it was the age of twenty. It's really
easy for them to actually figure out roughly how old
you are. So then they're going to group you into groupings, right,
so a grouping is like nine to twelve year olds
thirteen to fifteen year olds. I think it's fifteen to
sixteen year olds, seventeen to eighteen year olds, and then

(01:29:23):
nineteen to twenty and then twenty one plus. And in
those groupings you can talk to each other, but you
cannot talk to somebody older or younger than that grouping.
And the aim here, obviously is to stop adults on
the platform preying on kids so being unable to chat
to them. They're going to roll this out in Australia
and New Zealand and the Netherlands next month, and then
other countries are going to get it from January. The

(01:29:45):
reason I'm telling you this is because, like I've said
to you a thousand times before, when the internet guys
tell you, the social media guys tell you they cannot
possibly guess how old you are or verify your age BS,
they can. These guys are doing it. Reddit is doing it,
increasing porn sites are starting to do it. I'm telling
you now, it's just going to This is how this

(01:30:06):
is going to be, finally, how the Internet actually is.
Won't be a days too soon, will it? Sixteen away
from seven?

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Ever, it's to do with money. It matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
The Business hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and Mass Motor
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Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Hey, get a load of this. You know the song
Baby Shark, Well you know that I'm no sorry, and
now it's going to be stuck in your head unless
you're going to Metallica, so you can get Metallica stuck
in your head. This is now stuck in your head
for the rest of the night. The guys who made it, Pingfong,
they have just listed on the South Korean stock market.
Cheers have gone up nine percent on debut valuation of
more than four hundred million US dollars. How good is it?

(01:30:46):
Just off the back of one song basically thirteen away
from seven. Gavin Gray Uka correspondents with us Alo. Gavin,
Hi the Heaven. Have you read this Guardian piece about
Nigel Farage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I have, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
It's a very interesting about Nigel Farage, who of course
is helped secure Brexit back in twenty sixteen and leads
the Reform Party, which is led I think more than
the last one hundred opinion polls in this country, a
real upstart political party. It's a piece about nigral Farage's
time at school. Now, you might think, being some fifty

(01:31:21):
years ago, that this would all long be forgotten. But
of course, if he is going to be our next
prime minister, and there are plenty of people who think
he will be, such as the sheer disdain for the
two main political parties at the moment, that people are
going to dig up his history and have a look
at his time. And he went to Dullage College, which
is a private school, very exclusive school in the south

(01:31:42):
of London. And the Guardian newspaper here, the left wing paper,
has spoken to plenty of his former schoolboy colleagues and
some of them are not painting a particularly nice image,
claiming that he was a contrarian, that's a polite one.
Others are saying he sang right wing and anti Semitic songs,

(01:32:03):
that he was always a bit of an upstart, a
bit of a trouble maker and was continually sort of
picking on boys who weren't white British as it were.
Now those are the allegations. He has come back with
various legal letters to the Guardian. The party Reform UK
is saying that it's no coincidence this newspaper is seeking

(01:32:23):
to discredit Reform UK that's led one hundred and fifty
consecutive opinion polls, and we fully expect these cynical attempts
to smear reform and mislead the public to intensify further
as we move closer to the next election. And I
have to say there will be some who would say
this was fifty years ago. Is this the best they
could do?

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
Well, that's the question I had when I read it.
I mean, fear enough the guy is going to be
the prime minister. And maybe, and obviously when you have
a prime minister, you're interested in their history, but is
it relevant what he did when he was thirteen years old.

Speaker 14 (01:32:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:55):
What they're trying to do is to paint a consistent
image of him being far right, and some of those
interviews with some of the pupils sort of suggests that
still the case, or sorry, that that was the case,
But others say, you, well, we can't. I can't remember
him using those words, or I can't remember him singing

(01:33:16):
that song. And you know we are talking all that
time ago, and one person referring to a song that
was sung on a coach trip, well, I can't remember
fifty years ago what was sung on a coach trip.
So I look, I think there is an element here
of the left wing Guardian paper. Like many people in
this country uncomfortable with the prospect of Nigel Farage as

(01:33:37):
the potential leader, others are very comfortable with that and
see him as a route out of the mess this
country is in. But it does seem extraordinarly that there's
this huge gap then between his school days when he
left when he was eighteen, right through until present day.
So yeah, I'm not sure how consistently impactful this will be,

(01:33:58):
particularly as it's come into the guard and that's a
paper that's well known for not liking right wing politics.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
Yeah, it's a fair point that you make. Listen, So
when does it become a legal to sell tickets for
a profit?

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Yeah, since really this government is now really trying to
push on the fact that if you buy a ticket
for a concert, you can't then resell it for more
than the face value. And now there are some very
successful and popular sites that already do that. Resale sites
like via go go and stub hub are basically saying
that this price cap, limiting the price of any resale

(01:34:32):
to that face value is going to push customers towards
unregulated sites and also people selling things on social media,
and that of course will put them at risk of
increased the risk of buying fraudulent tickets or fake tickets,
and that has been a real thing that the ministers
have been looking at and don't really seem to have

(01:34:53):
issued an answer for that. They are looking at basically
sorting this out and the consultation on the change as
canvas views on capping tickets at face value or anything
up to thirty percent above the face value of a ticket,
because we have seen Oasis tickets, for instance, be sold
for huge sums of money and then resold for even

(01:35:16):
higher sums of money. So restricting ticket touts was one
of this government's election pledges fans complaining of massively inflated
prices for resold tickets, and this is an attempt to
do something about it. If they're announcing the plan in
just a few hours time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Brilliant stuff. Thank you so much, Gevin, appreciate it. Gavin Gray,
UK correspondent. Hither remember this. Gen Z waste over twenty
percent of their food, gen X waste fifteen percent, Boomers
waste around ten percent. Rural women waste only three percent,
not being wasteful as a classic way to save money. Peter,
you make a good point. What's the saying take care

(01:35:50):
of the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves. Yeah,
ead away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Heather Regarding roadblocks with facial recognition to verify your age,
there will be other problems. For example, if I am
a thirteen year old kid who has this photo taken
and then used to guide him through puberty and away
from predators, his face will now be continuously monitored with
the facial recognition wherever he goes. Is that what we
want for the future of our kids? Look, I think
that's a fair point.

Speaker 10 (01:36:22):
Right, but.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
And well, yeah, it is difficult, isn't it. But then
I would say to that, isn't that what we're doing anyway?
Like you have a Facebook page, you're doing that already,
aren't you as an adult? So it's just a question
which like you're handing, you're handing over your kid's face
at a much younger age, and are you comfortable with
that decision? You have to make? Fur Away from seven. Listen,

(01:36:45):
I love this. I love this. Have you been following
this story about the custody battle over the dog. This
thing has been going on for three years. It's over
somewhere in the states, Delaware or something like that, and
the couple broke up in twenty twenty two and they've
been fighting about the stupid little golden doodle that they had,
and they can't decide who gets to keep the dog.
So finally it's got to the situation now where a

(01:37:08):
judges had to make a decision about it. And what
the judge what the judge is very very clever. What
the judge's done. Judges said they have to have a
private auction and so they have to each bid against
each other for who would pay the most money to
take care of the dog, basically buy the dog off
the other person. Whoever wins it gets to keep the dog,
and whoever loses it gets to keep the money. And

(01:37:32):
you just not like this is how you're going to
figure out who actually loves the dog the most. Because
I'm not going to lie to you. My strategy would
be I would bid to a point where I feel
like I would be kind of taking him to the
absolute highest level that he would pay, and then I
would stop bidding just so I could take as much
money as possible. Ants money or the.

Speaker 21 (01:37:49):
Dog, well, I mean I'd be checking a bit in
of five dollars and then just taking whatever they said
in response. But I think the risk their Heather, is
that you'll think that you can push them a little
bit further than you can and then so this is
the problem. Yeah, they'll be like okay, and then you're
suddenly stuck with repaying a lot more of a dog
than you want to. The Frayed Ends of Sanity by
Metallica to play us out tonight. If you are on
your way to in Park in Auckland to see that,

(01:38:10):
you need to get a move on, even if it's
a probably on stage. But if they're not now, they
will be soon. We're expecting Metallica by about eight and
then after that, as we heard before, full time will
be open. You can pop there or any of the
barslon Kingsland and there's an unofficial after party at ding
Dong Lounge in Auckland.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
Have fun everyone, good tips. What's the song called again, The.

Speaker 21 (01:38:26):
Frayed Ends of Sanity? You enjoy yourself Heather, just.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
Like, why are you writing songs about mental health when
there's just a beautiful world out there. We could write
songs about love and stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:38:36):
Nothing else matters.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Hither Lord, wish me luck. I'll see you tomorrow, unless,
of course I sing, and then I'm not going to
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:38:47):
By now.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
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