Full Show Podcast: 28 June 2025

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Speaker 2 (00:49):
In New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to News Dogs EDB.
Jack time with you this Saturday morning. It is so
good to be with you for a Saturday. As we
get very much into school holiday mode, we've got to
chalk a show for you today. So our feature interview
right after ten o'clock is going to be best selling
children's Authorbert Muchermore. He is like incredibly prolific, has written

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all sorts of wonderful books, won all sorts of incredible
awards for his writing. He's got a brand new series
that bases itself on Robin Hood, but it's not robin
Hood as you know him. It's robin Hood set in
a modern era. So Robert muchamore is going to join
us up at ten o'clock to tell us about that.
Before ten, if you look for something to do with
the kids, I don't know this weekend or maybe in

(01:31):
about five or six days time, when everyone's starting to
get cabin fever. We have the recipe for you, some
really tasty simple school holiday baking. And at seventy one,
would you believe he's still going and he's still got it.
Jackie Chan is back with the latest Karate Kids film,
so I'll give you a bit of information on that
very shortly. Right now, it is eight minutes past nine,

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jack team eighty two million dollars as we go to
here this morning. That is a rough estimate for the
amount of cash that's going up in smoke as Jeff
Bezos marries his bride at a star studdied Venetian affair.
Eighty two million, eighty two thousand, thousand, And I thought

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my wedding was an expensive affair. Everything's relative, of course,
everything's relative. I mean, eighty two million dollars represents just
a fraction of the total wealth of the world's third
richest man. So to try and appreciate the true magnitude
of his three hundred billion dollar estimated wealth, I put
Jeff Bezos's finances into a scale that I can better understand.

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So get this, If every Jeff Bezos dollar was one second, okay,
so one dollar, two dollar, three dollars four dollars, so
that you know, one minute is sixty dollars and one
hour is what's three thousand, six hundred dollars. Depleting Jeff
Bezos's wealth would take more than eleven thousand years. It

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would be the year thirteen thousand that we finally got
to the end of things. Now, look, you're gonna maybe
think that I have a particular thing for Jeff Bezos,
I honestly don't. There's nothing personal. You know, I was
one of those who was bagging his fiance's spaceflight a
few weeks ago, But I swear it is nothing personal.
It would I would just be so I would be

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so embarrassed to be spending that much money to get
married in a place where it would appear a reasonable
number of locals don't want me. Yeah, it's funny. I've
spent like enough time in news and in media to
know that it's hard to properly gauge these things from

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the outside. Right, So, protesters say that Jeff Bezos has
bought half of their city and that his bash is
an obscene example of money trumping every other concern. But
the local maya says, anyone blocking up the canals in
protest or hanging out with banners and signs represents just
a tiny, tiny minority of Venetians, and actually the vast

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majority of locals are happy to welcome Jeff Bezos, his
big Bucks and his Blockbuster mates. Consumption in these European
hotspots is clearly becoming a greater saw point for those
people who call these spots home. The backlash to the
Bezos wedding recalls. The protests in Barcelona have been going

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around and squirting visitors with water guns to protest the
impact of over tourism on housing and infrastructure in the city,
whether it's Italy or Spain or Portugal. Qualities that made
coastal European cities so romantic and so alluring in the
first place are swiftly kind of destroying them in the Airbnb,

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cheap flights and mass tourism age. Would you still go?
I can confess to having visited both Venice and Barcelona
during backpacking trips I don't know, fifteen odd years ago,
but I'm not sure I would return anytime soon, at
least increasingly as I travel. I don't know. I'm just

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I'm kind of It's more I'm not just put off.
I'm kind of repulsed by the crowds at the absolute
hottest spots, and I'm aware that, like a driver complaining
about a traffic jam, I'm very much part of the problem.
The Mirror of Venice, who has so staunchly defended the
Jeff Bezos wedding, says he's embarrassed by the protests. The

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wedding is a great source of much needed revenue for
the city, he said, and it least Tourism Ministry put
out a report suggesting that it could provide the city
a tourism boost of more than a billion dollars. It's
a great way to put Venice on the map. The
thing is, I really don't think Venice needs to be
put on the map. I don't know, maybe I'm wired differently,

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but watching the scenes in Venice as if anything, made
me less likely to go back. Jack Team ninety two.
Ninety two is the text number if you want to
send us a message this morning. Jacket Newstalks edb dot
co dot nz is the email addressing. I swear it's
not neat the rich thing. It's just a it's like
a it's like a eat the consumers that we've all

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become thing I promised. It's greater than that. I'd love
to know your thoughts on that, so please CBA text.
We're going to get us Sportos thoughts on the Warriors
chances when they meet the Broncos. Think five o'clock is
kick off this evening. To help you with us very shortly,
Kevin Milner's in next though. It is thirteen minutes past nine.
It's Saturday morning, the first Saturday morning of the school holidays.
I'm Jack Tam and this is Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
A little bit of way to kick off your weekend.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
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Speaker 2 (06:53):
Use Talks MB sixteen minutes past nine on News Talks HEADB. Yeah,
I don't know. Maybe I'm just miserable. Maybe it is
an envy thing. I don't know, And this is just
a personal thing. Like I if I was really really
well healthy, I don't know that I could drive like
a really flashy sports car in public. I mean, I'm

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not really a car guy at the best of times,
and I can imagine like having a car and taking
it to a track or something like that that might
be attractive, but like driving a like a really low
late model Ferrari or something, I just I feel like
personally I would just find that too embarrassing, And maybe
part of the Bezos situation feels like that on an
even kind of greater scale. I thank you if you

(07:35):
fear back keeps the text, Jack says, being kin'd a
rich man just spend some money on whatever he wants.
Stop being so self entitled, great boint mate, says Simon
Mark Brown.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
GF.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Bezos is vulgar and shallow. He could have just had
a nice little intimate wedding for a few real friends
on an Ireland for a million dollars and then give
the rest of gaza arraid be a hero, says Simon Jack.
I think it's easy to say you wouldn't go back
somewhere that you've already been and experienced, but for those
who've never been, the curiosity and desire to go would
still exist. That's true. I just wonder if if it's

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going to live up to the kind of romantic notion
you have of these places, given the scale of tourism
and some of them. But thank you for that ninety
two ninety two, if you want to send us a
Texas morning seventeen minutes past nine and Kevin mill is
here to kick us off for our Saturday again.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Kevin, thank you Jack. How many millions did you say?

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Eighty eighty two? Is? I think is a sort of
a rough estimate.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, he puts your fine mind into working out how
you might be able to spend that over on a wedding.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I mean you would have to buy half a city. Yeah,
I mean I presume that, I presume he's he's I
think he's booked out some hotels and accommodation for his
for his guests, So I don't think the guests will
be paying for their own accommodation. There's a bit of
that I can't I can't imagine he'll just be op
shopping his suit. But yeah, I mean, yeah, the catering,

(09:00):
I don't know it is it does it? When you
when you put it like that, it is.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I can imagine it would be quite tricky to actually
spend that.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Yeah, it's absolutely obscene in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Anyway you've been you've been turning your attention to something
that I don't think would have been up to Besils
early this week, You've been thinking about Dead Cow Gully.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
I've always wanted to compete in the backyard ultramarathon at
Dead Cow Gully, eleven k north of Nanango in Queensland.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
You may have heard of it.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
It's a last man standing race with no finish line.
Runners must complete a six point seven killing me to
loop every hour. They can nap between loops. If they
run the loop faster than in an hour, the race
is over when there's just one runner left. And I
wanted that runner to be me Jack, but I didn't

(09:55):
get my entry in on time anyway, without me, a
field of two hundred and sixty three runners set off
at seven am last Saturday, Love Saturday and before we
were talking a week ago, and the final two runners
were still running on Thursday. One of them was a

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key we Sam Harvey. He got injured early in the race,
which meant instead of getting a ten minute sleep between loops,
he was running slower loops and not getting any sleep
at all. By Thursday, Sam and a Nossie called Phil
Gore were the last two standing. They had run almost
eight hundred kilometers and five days. That's Auckland dwellings. By

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this stage, Sam Harvey had already broken the new Zealand
record for the distance, and whoever was going to run
the longest was now sure to break the world record.
But after completing one hundred and eighteen loops six point
seven gay each the key we lost the ability to run.
He stumbled down the course before collapsing to the ground,

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delirious and in pain. Yossie went on to complete the
one hundred and nineteenth lap, winning the race and taking
the world record. They say, don't they, Jack, And coming
second is worse than coming last? Surely that can't be
truer that in the dead Cow Gully Backyard Ultramarathon, which

(11:26):
I mustn't miss next year.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, well look there's no bit of time Kevin, surely
than to get in your race entry right now while
we're all on the air listening to you. You could do.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
It right now.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
I think there's a senior event actually, which seems extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It is just remarkable, isn't it what our species is
actually capable of doing. I mean, I personally do not
see the attraction in the ultramarathon, but it is like
to think the distance from Auckland to Wellington. That is
just absurd that people are able to do that. It
It reminds me every year in New York they have

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this thing called the Self Transcendence Race, which is I
think it's about five thousand kilometers their race, but they
just race around one city block or like a sports
field basically, so that the topography never changes. It's just
the same thing. But it's not six point seven kilometers long.
It's just you know, yeah, a few hundred meters long.

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And they just go round and round and round and
round for weeks on end. They can have we naps
and sleeping things, but they just go round and around
for weeks on end. And as the name the Self
Transcendence Race suggests, it's all about self transcendence. But yeah,
I don't know. I think maybe I'm just happy not
to transcend.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
The energy of these people are not turned to something
just slightly more useful, like going out and mowing some
old persons lawns, well people's lawns. In a week.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You could I prefer to direct my ire at billionaires
than these people. I mean, imagine imagine doing something like that,
though you know, good traveling eight hundred kilometers six point
seven k's every hour that there surely can be few
challenges that come up in life that you wouldn't feel
somewhat equipped for. Right if you can get through that,
if you can play the mental game to drive yourself

(13:20):
forth five days in when you're desperately tired, I mean,
imagine what you you know, Imagine that the things that
you could achieve.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
I just to run, Jack.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
You used to always dream of fitting the tape at
the end. But there is no tape and you don't
know whether the person running next you could run forever.
And I think that must be deeply depressing.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, well said, Hey, thanks so much, Kevin, appreciate
your time this morning, and thank you so much for
your messages. Jack. Jeff Bezos spends about the same as
eighty thousand odd tourists in Venice, the tourists that they're
constantly moaning about, and they're still not happy. They should
be wrapped. He's exactly the kind of tourists they say
they want. Yeah, this is true. You have the high
net worth tourists, right, So instead of having the gazillions

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of tourists clogging up everything and taking all of the accommodation,
you just have one and you just make him super rich.
He can bring in a few mates maybe and cap
at that good point ninety two to ninety two. If
you want to send us a text. This morning, twenty
three past nine our sport, I was in next on
News Dogs dB.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team
on Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Tell you what we've divided opinion this morning. One word
comes to mind with the Bezos wedding Volga Jack. If
Jeff Bezos is paying for two hundred guests, accommodation, food,
and security over two or three days, then the cost
of this would easily be in the tens of millions
of dollars. People need to focus on their own lives
rather than trolling someone who's rich. He can spend his
cash how he wants and it's no one else's business.

(14:49):
I think it is kind of everyone else's business in
this case.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Mary.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't think Jeff Bezos has this wedding because he
just want a quiet little affair. I don't think he.
I don't think he and his bride to be I'm
not sure if they're officially tied. They're not as of
this minute. I'm not sure they Yeah, they didn't want
to be in the headlines around the world. Did They
could have probably chosen something slightly I don't know, slightly

(15:12):
more humble, maybe slightly out of the out of the
out of the eyes of the of the papains in
the press.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Maybe not.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Maybe I'm being unfair ninety two ninety two. If you
want to send us a message this morning, twenty seven
past nine and our sport Andrew Saville is here this morning,
said were you surprised by that all back squad? I'll
tell you what, No, Ethan Blackadder for me, especially given
his form giving the Super Rugby and the Super Rugby playoffs.
And finally I thought that was a hell of a
big call.

Speaker 8 (15:39):
Mm.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
Also I think David Heavili obviously was fairly unlucky to
miss out. And George Bauer, who I'd say had one
of his best Super seasons ever. Yeah, for the Crusaders
coming off injury a year or two ago and looking
in great neck, but they already did Jack that that
that final, the Crusaders Chiefs final last week was a

(16:01):
test match, really a test match intensity, and that's where
a player like black stood out. And that's what I
think the all Blacks need against the likes of Argentine
and especially South Africa. They need a player like black Adder.
I wouldn't be surprised if he does make it back
into the squad along somewhere along this season. But there's

(16:23):
a few surprising calls. Look clear a lot's been made
of it during the week, but clearly Neilback's looking to
bash over the game line and control the collisions and
and and run over teams with the midfield players they've
packed with some of the looses they've packed, which which
is fair enough. I think that's the way the game
has gone. It's so crucial with making meters after the

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tackle and making meters over the advantage line. But part
of me thinks, why don't your Blacks get back to
being a step ahead of the rest of the world
and maybe play with a bit more evasion or pick
players that that evade or use evasion to to make meters.
I might be completely wrong. Look that the proof will

(17:07):
be in the put in obviously, when they play the
French starting at the end of next week, it'll be
intriguing to see who they pick in that first team,
whether or not. Like that said, they'll give everybody a
run in the in those three French Test matches. But
if they think that's the way you test match rugby
is going to be won these days, and there ain't

(17:28):
much space on rugby fields these days for players to attack,
then good on them. They've come up with a good
plan and they've picked the players to implement their plan,
then then they should win. They should win the big games.
But we'll wait and see.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
That is a curious kind of philosophy, right because like
not to like want to suck the kind of the
joy out of out of a national game. But if
you like, the thing that kind of defined the All
Blacks for a long time was that they didn't play
like other teams. They used the ball, they like they were,
They were spontaneous. That's what made them such a thrilling

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team to support and to watch.

Speaker 7 (18:05):
And because that's the way rugby's gone, especially at test level,
with the collision being the key, doesn't mean New Zealand
has to play like that will get sucked into that.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, I just some of it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I just I just if you're sort of trying to
be slightly better, like marginally better at all the other
teams in the world who are playing exactly the same
style of football or a very similar style of rugby.
It just seems to me like that's a kind of
dangerous territory.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (18:31):
I suppose the Grand Plane.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, and I mean, you know, I think trying to
play exactly like France is always is always a just
don't think anyone can ever know what is going to
play like.

Speaker 10 (18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (18:47):
Yeah, Look, I think they've got a lot of attacking
weapons in that all black team no matter what. So
if they can get quick or if they can find
a little bit of space, then they shouldn't they should
do Okay.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Warrior is Broncos Brisbane this evening five pm kickoff time.
Warriors going to turn things round off the back of
last week.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
Always love watching the Bronco I don't know if you
feel the same way. Over the years, I've had fantastic teams.
I've had a few down yews here and there, but
generally in the playoffs and generally they've got some great
players to watch. It'll be interesting to see Jack as
per what sort of home advantage the Broncos have. I
any in Brisbane because in that Magic round recently the

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Warriors played in Brisbane, but they were playing at home
with the amount of fans, xpacts and people that have
traveled over, so I'm sure we'll see a lot of
those dark blue and teal Warriors jerseys in the crowd today.
The Warriors need to bounce back and quickly from that
loss to Penrith. They should have won that game. They
should have beaten Penrith who were down on numbers. They

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just looked a little bit out of sorts. Maybe subconsciously
they thought this is a this is a depleted Penrith team.
We will beat them. They didn't, and now they face
a Broncos team which again has had an up and
down season at times. But I've got some fantastic footballers,
so it.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Should be number one.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
An entertaining game and the Warrior is a big, big
challenge for them. I don't know whether you saw any
of the Penrith Bulldogs game on Thursday night. You probably
got better than to do. But that was a game
of rugby league. I mean it was eight to six
in the end of Penrith. It was played like a
like a finals game. It was outstanding football. If everyone

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to watch a league game with with power and purpose
and some great players as well. Chuck them for measure
that that was it on Thursday night. The Warriors need
to play at that sort of level today to beat
the Broncos.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Just before we let you go, Lawrence Pithy, had you
heard that name before this morning?

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I had?

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, this' likelist yeah, yeah, and the Tour de France fantastic.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Fantastic gay Yeah yeah, I mean I followed a couple
of He's had a couple of great results in the
last year or so. But yeah, Elijah and the and
the sports news there to sharing the news that fantastic
coming true.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
Right, you know, we've all, yeah, we've always had some
fantastic cyclist track and road and and and those names
continue to come off the production line. The thing we've
got to realize is that he is there to ride
for other people who's team. I'm sure so when you
look at the result and fifty or whaty, But that
doesn't matter. He is there to do a specific job
for his team and and that's where they earn their keep.

(21:27):
So but the fantastic news for they.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yeah, So it sounds like George Bennett probably won't be
in the in the in the Tour de France, which
is a bit of a shame al though he is
still an incredible talent.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
He's in.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
He hangs out at the Top of the South, the
flood ridden top of the South, and so comes home
over Christmas sometimes and puts his Strava on as he
does laps of the Tarkica Hill, which is I know
an area that you know about, and I know if
you want to feel like triple guilty for you, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
he's overtaking the traffic on the way up. But do
you ever want to feel like triple the guilty for

(21:59):
your Christmas meal? Exactly? All right, thanks for your time,
our Sporto. Andrew Savill there right now. It is twenty
seven minutes to ten year movie picnict On News talks
henb how Sill.

Speaker 11 (22:12):
It feels like gos finally starting shum howld Sil. It
feels like come more than a spoken of we. Most
nights I feel that I'm not in those. I've had

(22:35):
my share of Monday mornings when I can't get it.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
But when hope is lost and I come on, don't
I swear to God a survive.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
That is Lewis Capaldi. Ah Man, He's got LANs A.
So this is his comeback single Survive.

Speaker 12 (23:01):
It's his first new music in a week while, because
remember he being on that hiatus so back and when
he'd t three, he told Fancy was just gonna take
a little bit of a break from music after struggling
with his tourette syndrome and mental health for a wee while.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
So he released that yesterday. Tell you what bad day
for new music yesterday? Lewis Capaldi's latest single, and of
course Lord issued Virgin, her latest album in full, in total.
So we're gonna make sure we carve out a bit
of time on the show today so we can listen
to Lord's new album. I do know most of most
of the critics so far seemed to be really complimentary.

(23:34):
She did a hell of a job promoting it as well,
So we're going to make sure we have a bit
of a listening before midday today. Right now, though, time
to get your film picks for this weekend. Francesca rud Can,
our movie reviewer, is here with us this morning. Good morning,
good morning. Do you know what when I saw the
trailer for the latest Karate Kid film, I was like,
for goodness sake, I haven't thought about Jackie Chan for

(23:56):
about ten years, which is not to say like I
don't love Jackie Chan and love a bit of Jackie
Chan in my life, but just feels like, for a
whilely he was doing so many films and then he's
kind of step back for a bit. I'm not crazy,
am I No?

Speaker 6 (24:10):
But I think also a lot of people we think
to themselves, gosh, I haven't thought about Karate Kids since
nineteen eighty four when the first song was released. It
is still going, is one?

Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Is this the sex? Okay, let's have a little bit
of a listen. This is karate Kid legends.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
You have a foundation of kung fu.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
We're gonna build upon that with kate.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Ancient way.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Miagi way, oh good.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Zenze la Russo.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Let's make a karate kid. Okay, that's Karate Kid legions.
Tell us about it, frenzy.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Ski Okay, So school holidays are here, hence we have
a Karate kid in legions. I should say Karate Kid
legions in cinemas. I known recently that these films because
I can't remember this for it was a while ago,
but I was reminded recently that these films began kind
of as a teen Rocky Rip off because the first

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original film was directed by the same director of Rocky
and actually the sort of the same kind of underdog story,
and all the films have had a very similar premise.
You take a main character who moves to a new place.
They meet a lovely local girl and a quite smitten
by her. They get harassed by a bully. They then
get taken under the wing of a mentor and taught

(25:36):
karate or kung fu, and they then have a fight
and at the end of it, we've all learned lots
of life lessons and things like that.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And really we just do you suggest as a formula
for these films.

Speaker 5 (25:50):
So that's the formula.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
But it works right because it's there that the young
guy Ben Wang, who plays Leefong, who was a new
character who's in this particular film, he's great and he's
extremely good at his fighting. The fighting in the film
was really fantastic and very exciting, and he has a
very similar story. He's moved from Beijing to New York
with his mother, who is a doctor, and he's struggling

(26:12):
to fit in and he falls for a local girl
at the little pizzeria. He starts teaching her. Father he
starts training her father and boxing, and then he gets
taken under a wing by you know, mister hand. Jackie
Chan comes to Beijing to our backs, So the story
is really similar in a way. I feel like they're
trying to take all different threads of the previous films

(26:32):
and even the TV series and the spin off Cobra
Kai I think it's called or They're trying to bring
everything into this film. So there's it's very there's lots
of these sort of even though new characters, very recognizable
moments and tying up loose sends and things. It's almost
a bit much. There's just almost a few too many
subplots and stories going on, and they're trying to sort

(26:55):
of throw a little bit much at you when you
will know how it's kind of gonna unfold anyway. Anyway,
it's good fun. I think it's going to be great
family entertainment. I love family entertain meant that is real action,
you know, Like for a while there, all our all
the family films were animated, and we do and look
the beautiful animated films. I don't have a problem with that,

(27:16):
but I also think that we relate so much more
to a real person and a real character, and I
like seeing family oriented films, you know, done in sort
of real action. So yeah, no, it's it's good fun.
You know what you're going to get. He's probably a
little bit too much of it all here. I wouldn't
mind if they just streamlined it all a little, but

(27:37):
you know, good quality kids entertainment, well, you know, tween
teenage entertainment.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Yeah, a couple of hours, but during the school holidays. Yeah, okay,
all right, so it's Karate Kid legiond So he's seventy one,
Jackie Chan still a good neck, isn't he? My goodness, Yeah,
I love him.

Speaker 6 (27:55):
He's just he just manages that beautiful balance of comedy
and action and everything else. He just brings heart to
everything he does.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
He does, yeah, he really does. All right. So that's
showing in cinemas right now, correct, kids Legends, just in
time for the school holidays. Next up, a film I'm
very excited to see. This is if one the movie.

Speaker 13 (28:16):
Some people look at Sonny Hayes, this is a guy
who listen to me then a gambling junkie who missed
his shot.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
But this thing never was but I see possibility.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Okay, that is IF One, the movie starring Brad Pitt,
of course, and it's sort of yeah, it's really that
the apex of IF One's giant global push at the moment,
just when you thought there couldn't be more IF One,
there's more if One.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
No, you're absolutely right. And Brad Pitt has been wanting
to make a racing film for many years, decades even
and Formula One we're really keen to make one too.
And the collaboration that they have had out the making
of this film does present us with an incredibly authentic experience.
So they had access to the twenty twenty four season,
they were able to set they were able to set

(29:17):
up on the paddock, they were able to be in
the pit Lane f one when went out of their
way to welcome this film crew into their environment, and
it shows. So you feel like you're there, You feel
like you're in it. You feel like the races that
Brad Patton, his fellow teammate played by Damson Idris, you
feel like they are on the race course. And then

(29:39):
of course, what director Joseph Kazinski does, who also did
Top Gun Maverick, he puts his actors in the cars,
so they first learnt to drive three cars. Then they
moved them up to F two cars. They made the
F two cars look like F one cars, and then
he films them driving these cars. So they have gone
out of their way to make this feel like as

(30:00):
an authentic IF one experience as they possibly can, and
they do a great job on the big screen, Jack,
go and say this on the biggest screen you can.
It deserves to be seen like that. It is really thrilling,
like they have done an excellent job where they let
themselves down a little bit with this film, as they've
just kind of the script is kind of just a

(30:21):
bit mass, to be honest with you, when when you
take away, when you take away this glorious cinematography and
the thunderous soundtrack and the great you know, sort of
eventive camera angles, and you take away the visuals of
it and things, actually you're left with quite a predictable
underdog story about the old you know, the older has

(30:44):
been who comes into a team no one's got any
faith in them, but then they use their experience and
their wisdom to kind of pull the team together and
you know, and just you know, and overcomes the differences
with this fellow young driver and the two of them
get on and off we go and you know, conquer
the world. So, to be honest with you, the story

(31:04):
is actually a pretty typical underdogs story that we see
all the time. And look, Brad Pitt, he can act.
He's absolutely charming, he's got all the cool swagger, and
he is a list in this He is a superstar
in this film. He really sort of holds it together.
But actually he deserves more than some of the cheesy
lines he gets. We don't really get to know him

(31:25):
as a character. Both Himen and Dress's characters are very
two dimensional, and so a little part of me was
a little let down there. It is two hours and
thirty six minutes long, Jack, So just monitor your beverages
when you go into this film, and you probably do
need to be a little bit interested in Formula one
because there is quite a lot of driving to get through, right,

(31:47):
But go see it on the big screen. It's worth it.
It's a thrill. It's fun, not perfect, but still a
good time.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Okay, that's if Won the movie that's showing in cinemas.
So too is Karate Kid Legends. Both of those will
be up on the news talks. He'd be website It's
fourteen to.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
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Speaker 4 (32:13):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
On news talks. They'd be The school holidays are upon us,
and if the last thirty six hours or so has
been anything to go by, you probably need to have
some rainy day options up your sleeve. Good news, Nicky
Wicks is here this morning with a recipe that should
sort you out for a little bit morning.

Speaker 14 (32:31):
Now, Yeah, we're really going to need a little bit
of indoor activity up with these school holidays, at least
the first week. By the look of it.

Speaker 12 (32:39):
I think so.

Speaker 13 (32:40):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's always good to have one of these up your sleeve.
And this is like a fantastic, delicious little number for
the kids to get their hands dirty.

Speaker 15 (32:47):
Look it really as jam and marmalade drops.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
I love these.

Speaker 14 (32:51):
They're a really old recipe, but they look cute and
the kids love sticking their thumbs in the dough, so
they're really fun to make, and they have this sort
of texture. Enslaver really of sort of a melting moment
or maybe a shortbread almost.

Speaker 8 (33:06):
But they're so dead.

Speaker 14 (33:07):
Easy that anyone can make them. So look, I think
they will. I think they'll brighten up your dreary days.
I throw sesame seeds or poppy seeds into mine just
because I'm new and different, and I love the texture
that it gives. I love a flavor that it gives.

Speaker 15 (33:21):
You.

Speaker 14 (33:22):
Here you go, this is what we need, and it's
just a one bowl wonder and you've.

Speaker 6 (33:25):
Got to love that.

Speaker 14 (33:25):
In the school holidays, get your oven on one hundred
and seventy degrees and line a tray with some baking paper.
You want to beat one hundred grams of butter that's
been softened, and that's probably your hardest job at this
stage with the cold weather. Throw it in the microwave
for a bit if you've got one, just to soften
it up. And then you want to mix that with
two thirds of a cup, which is about one hundred

(33:46):
grams of icing sugar, and you want to whip that
up really with a hand beating. You could do it
just with a spoon or wooden spoon. You want to
do it until it's nice and pale, which means that
it's you know that sugar will have dissolved in there.
I do it for about five minutes actually, and then
add some flowers, and I've got one cup of plain
flour and one heat tablespoon of corn flour. I would

(34:07):
suggest that if you use three quarters of a cup
of gluten free flour you'd get away with it as well.
Haven't tried it, but I'm pretty short.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
Would work.

Speaker 14 (34:14):
Mix that really well together, and adding in also three
tablespoons of either sesame or poppy seeds. You want to
roll the mixes and are the great but the kids
can do all of this. Roll the mixtures into balls
kind of little, maybe the size of a walnut, place
them on a tray, and then what you do is
you press them down with your thumb so that you
make a lovely big indent into each one. And you

(34:36):
can't go deep enough really with this. Bake for fifteen minutes,
and then take them out of the oven. And that's
the other great thing. Fifteen minutes is not too long
for kids to manage. And then you take them out
from the oven, and then you spoon a little teaspoon
of jam or adults like marmalade into the little hollows
that you've made with your thumb and throw them back

(34:56):
in the oven for another eight to ten minutes. Call
them on a wire rack. They're absolutely delicious. They'll harden
up if you like as they call. I want to
take these off the tray while they still warm, and
they'll be too crumbly.

Speaker 8 (35:10):
But they're really good.

Speaker 15 (35:10):
They're a good sort of way.

Speaker 14 (35:12):
To portion control too. You know, you're you're eating of
sweet things, cooking. You're quite little, and you know we've
all gone for giant cookies these days, giant muffins, all
of that sort of things. So these little jam and
marmalade drops be really cute.

Speaker 15 (35:26):
I love them.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
I love them.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Good good for portion control unless you eat fourteen.

Speaker 5 (35:32):
You got a camera in my house or something, Jack,
what's the story.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
It's also it's such a good way to it's such
a good way to use up like jam and stuff.
You know, you end up with like six different jam containers.
You're going to run whatever.

Speaker 14 (35:47):
Yeah, yeah, and marmalade because people love giving away marmalade,
but not a lot of people like marmalade. So's I
could really recommend the marblades for these.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
So it's really lovely.

Speaker 14 (35:58):
So was there a toss up today between school holiday
baking or some soups, because the weather really gives rise
to that.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's a great option, I reckon, Yeah, perfect, Hey, thanks
so much. We will make sure that recipe for Nicky's
jam and Marma Lade drops is up on the news
talks hebs. I tell you what it actually takes all
the boxes for the kids day. So first of all, simple,
You've got the kind of the ingredients that you've probably
already got at home, maybe not one hundred grams of butter.
Give them the price the better, but you know you've
probably got most of those things at home. They can

(36:27):
get their thumb in it, and then it only takes
fifteen minutes. That's what I love about that only takes
fifteen minutes in the oven. Because if you've got needy,
anxious kids who want to get in and enjoy their
baking very quickly, this is the recipe for them. Right now,
it's eight to ten. You're Jack Tame. This is Newstalks EDB.

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Glastonbury currently underway at the moment, but also Jeff Bezos
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is it? Bezos? You've got you know the guy who
found at Amazon's wedding in Venice right now, Jack, If
Jeff Bezos Bezos has a thousand guests, you got to

(37:14):
say they will behave better than the thousand Yobo tourists
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a short reprieve, says Kate fair Core Kate ninety two,
ninety two. If you want to send us some messages
this morning, I'm going to get going to get to
more of your messages after ten o'clock. As well as that,
we're going to be catching up with British author Robert
much More. He has written an incredible series of books

(37:37):
called the Cherub Series that has been translated into a
gazillion languages around the world, and his latest series focus
is on a modern version of Robin Hood, so he's
going to tell us about his book Fury, Bayer and
Frost when he joins us after ten. Honestly, if you've
got young kids who love reading or just getting into reading,
this could be a perfect option for them over the
school holidays and before eleven o'clock. We're in the garden,

(38:00):
except we're not. We're actually in the indoor garden. Given
everywhere as either being blown away or completely drowned at
the moment, our man in the garden has some tips
of finding the perfect spot for your indoor plants. News
is next, though, will take you up to the ten
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Jack Kaye and this is newsab you slight, I need you?

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More but in a good morning You're with Jack taimon
Us to executive be through the mid day to day.
Robert Much and more has written some of the best
books that young readers can get their hands on. His
Shaub series is credited with shaking up young adult literature,
using realistic language and challenging traditional portrayals of heroes, and
his themes are kind of unconventionally sophisticated. His latest book

(39:54):
tackles concepts like corruption, protection, rackets, and late stage capitalist failure,
so big stuff for young readers, of course. His latest
read is a twist on the classic tale of rob
and Hood. It's in his Fury Fire and Frost series,
so it kind of looks whether or not Robin lived
today in today's world and was a twelve year old boy,

(40:16):
how he would deal with some of the challenges he encountered.
Robert Muchamore is here with us this morning, gild A,
good morning.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Good morning. It's great to be here. You know what.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
We speak to some prolific authors from time to time
on this program. But Fury Fire and Frost is the
ninth book in your Robin Hood series, and you are
churning them out. So how much time do you spend
actually not writing?

Speaker 17 (40:40):
The funny thing is is I do write reasonably quickly.
I usually write a book in six to eight weeks
once it's all planned and worked out. And I think
it's really important when you work for kids, when you
write for children, because if I say to an adult,
you know, my next book's out in a year, that's okay.
If I say to a kid, you know, my book's
out in three months, it's like, oh god, that's such
a long time. So I think it's really important for

(41:00):
children's authors to kind of keep feeding them and keep
kids interested because they grow up and they change so fast.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, there must be sort of adds a tricky dynamic, though,
doesn't it. It means you really have to have everything
sorted quite early in the process if you're trying to
serve the readers whom you first kepture with your first
book in a series.

Speaker 17 (41:21):
Yeah, that's right, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
So tell us about the decision to go with a
modern Robin Hood character for those of our listeners who
haven't read any of the books in the series yet,
obviously this is a modern reimagining of the famous character.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (41:38):
So what I wanted to do was I really liked
the idea of Robinhood. I'd always been attracted to Robin
Hood's stories, but when I started researching, very often when
I'm researching or thinking about doing something now. I look
into lots of different things, but robin Hood really fascinated
me because it's this very old I mean, it was
around in the sort of fourteenth fifteenth century, as you know,
stories passed on by word of mouth, and it's progressed

(42:00):
and every new format that's come along, whether it's you know, poems,
whether it's early plays as a shakespe be played with
Robin Hood in. You know, it's this kind of legend
that's been around for so long and everyone gets to
interpret it in their own way. So my Robinhood lives
in a very contemporary world, and you know, the Sheriff
of Nottingham is a kind of the I guess you'd say,
a kind of Trump like populist kind of figure. And

(42:23):
my version of Robin Hood is a twelve thirteen year
old boy who is very much like most modern kids.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, do you to try and connect with this audience
and make him relevant to this audience? Do you have
to do things like spend a lot of time on
social media?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Do you know? It's funny.

Speaker 17 (42:39):
I was chatting to a friend about this because as
I'm getting older, I must confess I do find it
a little bit harder to stay in touch with kids.
I do find that kids are more different to me
than when I first started writing for kids about twenty
years ago. So you really do have to be humble
and talk to kids and listen to what they say.
And kids are quite ruthless. You know, any kid who's
a fan of my books, I'll always a reply to

(43:00):
any email they send me via there my website, But
they're always quite ruthless. If you get something wrong, well
you use a phrase that isn't it if any more?
Or something like that.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Can you can you think of an example where where
you've had one of your fans come back with some
ruthless feedback?

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Do you know?

Speaker 17 (43:16):
You know you've put me on the spot there? And
I can't actually think of one specific example. The one
I always like. One of my all time favorite fan
mails from a kid was he turned around to me
and he said, dear mister, muchamore, your books have taken over.
Your books have taken off like wildfire since our head
master banned them from us school.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I mean that is a curious dynamic with at least
one of your books. But you know, it seems remarkable
in this day and a that we're still kind of,
you know, considering banning books, and there can be kind
of moral panic about these things. But what was the
impact of the concerns that your storytelling might be having
on young impressionable minds.

Speaker 17 (43:56):
I think there will always be an element of people
who because my books have realistic themes, and you know,
sometimes there's some quite nasty violence, or sometimes there's some
but very mild sexual content. To be hon It's less
so in my Robin Hood books, which raimed at slightly
younger audience. But I just think it's really important. You know,
I'm I'm competing with kids who are playing, you know,

(44:17):
video games, and they're watching you know, dramas on Netflix.
And the idea that children's books is this very cozy,
twee world. I think if we stick to that, we
end up in a world where it's cozy and twee
and lots of little kids read the books. But once
boys get to that kind of twelve thirteen, and girls
as well, once they get to that sort of difficult
age where they stop reading you neque content that appeals

(44:39):
to that age group.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, that's a really good point. It's kind of a
you know, an interesting thought experiment to imagine, you know,
how an innerd Blython or someone would go publishing those
stories today in a world where all of the attention
demands on young kids, or all of the kind of
seductive digital devices that they have, you know, very often

(45:03):
at their fingertips are kind of calling their name. So
you really need to find a way to punch through,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 17 (45:09):
Absolutely, And I mean I do find myself, you know,
when I'm with my young niece's nephews, things like that.
You know, I do find myself. You know, I've turned
into that old man who's like, do you know how
lucky you are all the things you've got now that
I didn't have when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think we all all find that as
a bit like that at the moment. So beg to
Robin Hood. I suppose the original character appealed to people
because of his you know, sense of you know, for
what we might turn today as kind of social justice,
obviously taking from the rich to give to the poor.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
How do you.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Settle upon a kind of moral framework or how do
you make him appealing in the same kind of way
to a young audience who might not be so easily
seduced by, you know that the morals that defined him
three or one hundred years ago.

Speaker 17 (45:58):
I think, I think the interesting thing about young people
actually is they because you know, because very often young
people they're in positions of weakness. You know, everyone did
takes to them. They mostly have to do what they're told.
They don't have a great deal of freedom. So I
think kids are actually incredibly sensitive to win equalities and
you know, any sense of injustice or inequality, kids are

(46:21):
on it like a ton of bricks. So I actually
think a Robin Hood character who's younger, actually they can
relate to that very closely because they always see injustices
in their own lives, and very often with kids, they're
pretty powerless to do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
So Roberts what I think twenty one years since The
Recruit was published, the first book and the Cherub series, Yeah, yeah,
they're remarkable. So how how has the Cherub series kind
of changed your life?

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (46:49):
I mean, I remember when I got my I wrote
the book kind of on spec, didn't have a publishing
dealer or anything like that. And I remember when it
first come out, I still had a full time job,
you know, I didn't get a big, fabulous advance and
quit my job or anything like that. And I remember
saying to the guys I work with, you know, it
would be really nice if I've written a book, which
is something I've always wanted to do, and if I
come out of this, you know, with enough money to

(47:10):
go on a nice holiday, and I've got family in
Australia and good friends in New Zealand. And that was
kind of what I was thinking. You know, if I
can get my book published with my name on the cover,
it would be a special thing in my life, something
I've achieved. I never envisaged, because you know, very few
authors get to the level of success that I've had,
and I wasn't really thinking in those terms when I
first started at all.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, it must be like, it must be such a
buzz to travel around the world to come to a
place like New Zealand. I think you see your all
time record for book signings the last time you were
here in christ it's two and a half thousand people
lining up their book sign It must have been an
incredible experience to see that kind of love.

Speaker 17 (47:50):
Yeah, And that was funny because I did this tour.
It was a seventeen day tour. It was new I
think I was three days in New Zealand and twelve
days in Australia. And the publishers, you know, when they're
paying your airfare and they're planning your hotel there, they
want to work your hard. And I just remember that
signing and it was an amazing thing, and I did
is as I say, definitely the biggest signing I've ever
done was in news and I was just signing and

(48:12):
signing books and kids were turning up with five or
six books, and it was amazing that it happened. But
I must have been while it was happening. I was
just absolutely exhausted. I think it was like the tenth
Dad at all, and there were just so many people
and you're trying to be happy, and you know people
have queued up a long time to see you when
you want to make them happy. But a big book
signing like that can be absolutely exhausting.

Speaker 15 (48:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I can only imitine you're going back to your publisher
and saying, I'm heavy to do the book signing, but
the next book's going to take an extra month because
I've got terrible cramp. It's all throughout my wrestler hope
I'm going to be able to.

Speaker 17 (48:46):
I'm left handed, so when I signed books, I always
get ink all over my hand. I'm a proper messy
and I look at my hand at the end of
these books signers and it's just like this massive blue ink.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Do you do you learn about your audience when you
go to those live of into you know, having the
kind of the in life interactions with your with your readers,
do you learn about them in ways that you don't
with your kind of vociferous communications with them online.

Speaker 6 (49:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:13):
I think it's I mean, these days it's kids message
me on Instagram and they send me your messages through
my website, and it is actually quite nice to get
that feedback and really see how you know, how they react.
And I think when kids have that degree of remoteness,
when you meet them at a book signing, they're normally
very polite. You know, they're quite excited. It's a novel experience.

(49:33):
I want to get their book signed. But actually when
they email you or when they've got that you know,
that degree of separation from the author, that's when they're
a bit more honest about how they really feel.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, Yeah, that's true. Yeah, there's no kind of filter, right,
there's no mamal Day appearing over the shoulders and saying, oh,
that's not the nicest thing to say. I know, there's
been a lot of you know, there's always been kind
of a lot of talk about the possibility of The
Recruit being turned into a film. Is that going to happen?
Do you think sometimes soon? How would you feel about that?

Speaker 17 (50:02):
I've been telling the same joke for so long now,
and I've been saying and for you know, the Cherub
film has been two years away for the last twenty years,
and the project is still very active getting I'm going
to meetings, I'm chatting to people. Scripts have been worked on,
there have been various actors assigned, and it always just
goes on and on and on, and it's quite frustrated

(50:26):
in a way. And I don't know. I think it
will happen someday. I'm a natural optimist, but I'm not
going to have I'm not going to say when.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, and fear enough. Well, look, Robert, we are delighted
that the ninth in your Robin Hood series, Fury, Fire
and Frost, is being published, and we look forward to
having you back in New Zealand and hopefully the next
time you hear you can break that record once again.

Speaker 17 (50:49):
I certainly very much hope, so thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
There is Robert Matcham Moore, his latest book in that
Robin Hood series, Fury, Fire and Frost, trying and say
that four Times Fast is out.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
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He'd be dot co dot Ford slash Jack. If you're
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(51:23):
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Now before eleven o'clock, our man in the garden is
inside focusing on indoor plants. He doesn't do this very often.
Rue Climb passed, and it turns out that it could
be a great level of Actually because I'm always deeply
envious of what he's able to do with his garden.
It turns out when you go inside things get a

(51:45):
bit more complicated. I reckon. Some of his orchard attempts
might be resembling the orchids at our place. So he's
going to give us a few tips on getting them
in the right parts of your house. If you want
to have a bit of greenery inside, given the weather
events of the last thirty six hours, that could be
a good option, I reckon. As well as that, we're
going to look at a very very interesting Supreme Court

(52:06):
rule out of the United States. This is regarding one
of the biggest pornography websites in the world. Basically, they're
saying that Texas can introduce a law which would mean
that everyone has to go through age verification when using
this website. Of course, Texas wants to do it to
protect children in the state, but the website owners are saying, well,

(52:26):
that could put people off using the website. And imagine
if some of that private information was made public anyway,
there are all sorts of free speech and digital implications.
So we're going to share that with you, that not
share all of it with you, share some of the
details about that decision with you and the implications for
what it's going to mean for some of the biggest
websites in the world very shortly. Our textbook's going to

(52:47):
be a next up, though, if you're looking for something
good to watch from the comfort of your couch this weekend,
three screen time picks. Right now, it's twenty past ten.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Start your weekend off in style.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
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Speaker 2 (53:05):
US talksb twenty three minutes past ten on news Talk
ZB which means it's screen time time. Tara Ward is
our screen time expert. Of course, it's this time every
Saturday morning that she brings us three recommendations for shows
to watch your stream at home. God to Tara, well,
good morning. Okay, let's kick off with a show streaming

(53:26):
on neon, the keenly anticipated wolf Hall.

Speaker 16 (53:31):
Yeah, wolf Hall is back. It's been ten years since
the first season of this award winning British drama was
on our screens and I'm so glad that it's back.
This is the BBC historical drama based on the series
of three books by Hillary Mantel about the reign of
King Henry the Eighth, and this is the final installment
of the series, and it tells the story of Thomas Cromwell,

(53:52):
who's played by Mark Rylands. Thomas Cromwell was a blacksmith's
son from Putney who rose through the royal court to
become a close advisor of Henry the Eighth and with
that role Clumb's power. But there's also a lot of
risk and the threat of being beheaded is never far away.
And so wolf Hall is about that political dance that

(54:13):
the gameplay and the strategy and the plotting to keep
the king happy. It's almost a psychological thriller because every step,
every conversation is so fraught with danger and suspicious and
a treat. And there's a couple of reasons why I
recommend this show. The first is that it's just such
a beautiful show to watch. Everything is rich and heavy

(54:34):
with atmosphere. It's deliciously slow. Nobody says one word more
than they have to. The other thing is that that
you don't need to know a lot about this period
of history to enjoy this and follow along they Pepper
and little clues and the dialogue along the way to
remind you of how everybody is connected and what a
cast as well. Damian Lewis plays the King, Timothy Spaul,

(54:55):
Harriet Walter, Jonathan Price. This is just Prestige TV. It's
so good and if you miss the first season that's
available only on as well.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Ah, superb. I reckon Timody's ball might be my faavorite
British actor.

Speaker 16 (55:08):
You think he's so good. It's so versatile, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I think it might be the boomingham accent as well.
You just don't hear that, you know, I think that,
like you know, back to our Vitus in ped did
you watch the Day? Yeah, I'm turning back the hands
of time a little bit this morning, Tar. But suppose
so as wolf Hall in a different way. You're very good,
so wolf Hall. Both series in our streaming on Neon
on Apple TV plus. Tell Us About Smoke, Yeah, Smoke

(55:32):
is a.

Speaker 16 (55:33):
New crime drama. It's based on a true story that
inspired a podcast called Firebug, and it starts Taron Egerton,
who plays a former firefighter who now works as an
arson investigator. So he's had a few traumatic experiences at
work that made him change. So we are directions and
he's investigating too, serial arsenists and When his investigations sort

(55:55):
of don't make any progress, he gets teamed up with
a local detective to to try and solve the crimes,
and it becomes this hatt and mouse game of trying
to predict where the Arsinus strike next and trying to
guess their next move. And watching this reminded me of
how nice it was to have a crime thriller that
wasn't all about murder and death. This is more of

(56:17):
a psychological aspect to it. You know, they're trying to
get into the mind of a serial Arcinus and workout
where they're going to go next. They can't sort of
trust anyone around them, you know, is it someone one
of their colleagues. So this is something a little bit different.
It does jump around a bit in the first episode,
but you know it's intriguing. A great cast. It's dark
and gritty and lots of twists and turns all the

(56:39):
way through. You know, it's not perfect, but there's more
than enough going on here to pull you in and
keep you hooked and keep you watching.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Oh superb okay, cool, let's smoke. That's on Apple TV
plus and on TVNZ plus.

Speaker 16 (56:51):
Here we go, and this is a British sitcom that's
just landed on TV and Z plus two seasons of
it and a third one is on the way. And
it's one of those British comedies. I don't want to
say it's old fashioned, but it's more of a sort
of traditional kind of comedy. It's not try to do
anything etgy or clever. It's quite a comfortable kind of
watch and it's not really about anything much either. It

(57:13):
stars Katherine Parkinson and Alison Steedman, and it's about the
lives of the Jessup family, who are a sort of
a very ordinary middle class the Bourbon family. Their teenage
son is recording their daily lives for a school project
who's making a documentary and he just records what happens.
And it's about the chaos and the silliness of the
family's daily lives and all their extended family and friends.

(57:36):
The humor is in the normality of it all, with
you know, a touch of the absurd and the ridiculous
and the infuriating. It's a very mild, a little bit
of an old school kind of sitcom and a very
easy watch.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I like the sound of that. Sometimes there's something a
bit you know sometimes the most relaxing shows are the
ones that aren't overly complicated.

Speaker 8 (57:57):
You know exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
We love it, so that could be a bit of me. Yeah,
that's here we Go. That's on TV and Z Plus.
The other shows Smoke is Apple TV Plus and Wolf Hall.
All both series are streaming on Neon. All the details,
of course, will be on the website. But you knew
that it's twenty eight past ten.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Getting your weekend started.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on news TALKSB your.

Speaker 18 (58:25):
Heads were in a sandstorm, and that knocks me out.

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I didn't know them.

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It's never be enough forous since I seven, I gave
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Now we wake from a dream?

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Well baby, what was that.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
That is?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Lord?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You really need to know the production. It's just killing
it Ey and I really feel like she's just kind
of enjoying the process of coming out with different concepts
behind her music and albums. Gone, of course, is the
young girl from Aukand's North Shore and her place now
is an international superstar who can draw a crowd to

(59:07):
New York's Washington Square Park so large that not even
the police can quite shut it down, and she gets
threatened with being charged of inciting a riot. Ah so good.
Despite her stardom though, she's still kind of a little quirky,
embraces her quirkiness, a little bit alternative and always poetically honest.

(59:28):
So her new album is out now, of course, it's
called Virgin. It's four years since her last album, and
this new record has been described by laud herself as
quote a byproduct of an insane personal quest, which is
kind of an alluring way to describe a creative piece
of work. So we've led our music reviewer decipher what
that could mean. Es Steale's going to join us before midday.

(59:49):
We're going to play you a couple of tracks from Virgin,
and we can get her thoughts and you can make
up yours as well. If you haven't had to listen
to Virgin. Nette looking forward to having a like a
proper sit down. This is one of the few kind
of albums that I really want to sit down and
so can you know, like it feels like an appointment
album when Lord Lisa's new music. So we'll get our
music with your thoughts on that before midday as well

(01:00:10):
as that before midday. Here's one for the train spot
out there. Okay, this is like we asked some nerdy
questions on the show. I feel like this is really
putting things out there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Of all the world's capitals, what would have the highest
altitude for its runway? Okay, today we're going to take
you to the city, the capital city that has the
second highest altitude of any capital city in the world.
So I think the highest. I could be wrong on this,
but I'm pretty sure it is La Paz in Bolivia.

(01:00:41):
I know that because I've landed at the airport and
the airport runway is above four thousand meters. So if
you think about that, the airport runway is higher than
the summit of Alraki Mount Cook, which is incredible. And
today's destination in our travel segment is only a wee
way up the road and the same mountain range, Quito
in Ecuador. I think that the runway there is at

(01:01:02):
about two eight nine hundred meters. Our travel correspondent hasan
to the Ecuadorian capital. He's going to share his top
tips before midday as well. Right now, it's twenty five
minutes to ten. We're talking tech next on Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (01:01:19):
The Interweber's wa washed currently telling me Erica Stamford is
the Wocist minister in the government and under the cover
of Dartan she is snuck into legislation commitment to the
treaty that entrenches it in a way we should all
be alarmed about. And Erica Stamford is, of course the
Minister of Education.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
You say what I mean, This is what happens when
you get a bunch of people who get all whipped
up with hatred and spout and complete and utter lies.

Speaker 19 (01:01:40):
It is correct to say it is in there, and
therefore some of the stuff that they're talking about can happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Therefore they are correct.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
Well, hold on a minute, Yes it's there. I didn't
put it there like that, claiming it's been there for
a very long time.

Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
Are they legitimate questions?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (01:01:54):
Back Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Twenty three to eleven. You're with Jack Taime on Newstalk
zedb our Textbert Paul Stenhouse is here details of a
consequential decision by the Supreme Court in the United States
considering or concerning one very large state pool and one
very large website.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah. Yeah, the very large state is Texas, Jack and
the websites are the websites we don't really talk about
a lot, and are those adult websites on the internet,
as you catch my drift. And so this Texas Law
Right had basically said that children should not be allowed

(01:02:41):
to view the adultites, right, which sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
No more reasonable, Like, okay, that makes.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Sense, sounds reasonable. Yeah. Now, now obviously there's some issues
there around how you enforced that, but we'll put that aside.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
For the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
This group, though, claims that in America we've got the
First Amendment, which is all about free speech. They claimed
that putting that rule in place actually violated the free
speech of the adults right who wanted to view said content.

(01:03:18):
And they said that the reason why was that in
order to view said content, you need to put in
like you know, like a government ID or a credit card,
and there's probably like a vealing history because you're authenticated,
and that those people may be deterred from what who said,
adult content that that would impose on their free speech.

(01:03:41):
And so this means to the Supreme Court Texas. Then
the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Texas law, saying, actually,
the government is within its bounds to try to protect
children and this is well and just and good. And
Texas is one of twenty four states did you know

(01:04:02):
that have passed age verification laws for adult webs sites online?
And so this is really now paved the way and
people have kind of started to think, well, what else
could this be applied to? Right, because the Internet's always
been kind of free and open, and there's always been
the idea, and now we've said, hang on, the government

(01:04:24):
or a state government in the United States can now
decide whether or not you need to be age verified
to view certain content. Because this is another interesting one too.
The Texas Governor Jack called, you know, the proliferation of
access that children drink can have to said adult websites

(01:04:46):
a public health crisis. Wow, so those gals of looking
after children, which is a hard core you know, it's interesting,
I think the interesting arguments on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, yeah, you can, you could this kind of there's
actually nuance. I mean, there's a tricky subject and one
that we can sort of only go into something.

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Don't you know you've done it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
You very definitely described the situation, I think, Paul, so
we can thank you for that, especially given us to
holidays have just kicked off. But lose curious because you
can imagine from the website's perspective, like having this verification
is a massive barrier to increasing viewership, right, And you
can imagine there are real privacy and security concerns if

(01:05:30):
there is age verification and then people have viewing histories
and that information was hacked or leaked or something like
that and then made public, Like you can just you
can just imagine like there are all sorts of really
interesting free speech implications I think as well. So, yeah, hey, Salesforce,
and the CEO at Salesforce, now I reckon that between

(01:05:52):
thirty and fifty percent of the internal work that the
company is doing is done by AI.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
That seems like a very very high figure.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
That's what I thought too.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
That's what he said in a recent interview. Didn't see
how it was being measured, But it seems staggering, doesn't it.
I Mean he then goes on to say that it
is being used for things like software engineering, it's being
used for things like customer service, and so I can
imagine maybe in some of those areas, thirty to fifty

(01:06:23):
percent of that work is now being done by AI.
But I think it really goes to show, right, just
these big companies have when they go when they go
all in, and when they had gone all in on AI,
they had gone all in. Salesforce even says that this
kick like the AI kind of agent piece that you know,
and Salesforce also wants to sell their own agent solutions

(01:06:46):
that does some of the customer service stuff. Right, So
he's kind of talking about this, you know, he's talking
about it in a way that makes positions as product well.
But yes, of course, you know a lot of that work,
a lot of that work can can be done by
these agents and now is being done by these agents
and has allowed them to hire fewer humans. And he

(01:07:09):
said that he has staged that. And so we definitely
are in this age. Now we're at this tipping point.
I guess where the technology is there. It's now good
enough and it's deployed well enough can actually be taking
over the jobs that folks do. Now the companies will
say that the jobs aren't being removed, are being you know,
the being positioned repositioned at a higher value work which

(01:07:33):
you try to take them to their word for But
it's also not just salesforce Jack, because Microsoft and Alphabet
have said that they've kind of claimed some similar stats too.
Around they're saying around thirty percent of the code on
then projects, the new code is being contributed by AI.
So this isn't just like a flashpan thing anymore. This

(01:07:54):
is like has some real implications for humans and economies.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah, oh my god, and the entire workforce at the time,
class desk bound workforce. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is
incredible to think if that number is even close to
being correct, that's amazing. Paul, thank you so much for that.
That's our textpert Paul Stenhouse before eleven o'clock tips on
trying to get the indoor plants at your place to grow. Well, see,
our problem isn't so much the growing. It's like down

(01:08:24):
melee bugs and stuff. We always just seem to I
don't know what it is that all of our plants
that were seem to get diseased or completely overrun with
merely bugs. So we're going to talk to our man
in the garden to get his top tips. Although he
freely admits that he's not necessarily a house Plant Expert
seventeen to eleven. You were Jacktaime on Newstalks EDB A
little bit of.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Talks MB fourteen to ten on News Talks EDB. Michael J.
Fox is probably the best known person with Parkinson's disease
in the world. But he had or has early onset
Parkinson's disease. What's interesting about the condition is that it
is now one of the most common neurological conditions for
people over the age of sixty, which obviously isn't early

(01:09:13):
on set. So here with the details is doctor Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Betty call to Brian, Oh, good morning Jack. Here Ian,
nice to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Be chatting with you, as per. Let's start off with
the basic question.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Then, what is Parkinson's well Parkinson's.

Speaker 20 (01:09:26):
Yeah, Look, it's a degenerative disease of the neurosystem and
it causes movement problems. Okay, it's one of the commonest
conditions neurological conditions that occur over the age of sixty.
Now it effects about one in one hundred over the
age of sixteen. We've got about fourteen thousand people in
New Zealand who are affected by Parkinson's. Occasionally, so test

(01:09:48):
bey as you get older there's more of a risk,
but occasionally there's early onset, and I suppose Michael J.
Fox is the big example of that, and we're all
familiar with that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Now.

Speaker 20 (01:09:58):
Basically what happens is nerve cells in the brain start
to break down and we lose a chemical messenger. So
these are little messages in the brain chemical called dopamine.
Now this dopamine starts to cause these movement problems. Now
there's no simple test to diagnose Parkinson's. It's actually a
diagnosis of symptoms and what actually happens over time.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I didn't realize that, So how do you recognize them?

Speaker 20 (01:10:22):
Yeah, look now that now it can be really really
tricking early eight. In the early stages, it often is
a very very slow developing disorder, and so initially it
can be missed and very very difficult to see. And
everyone's journey is different with Parkinson's. That's something I do
need to say. So there's no to that are exactly identical.
But what commonly people start to notice is a trendor

(01:10:45):
at rest. So it'll be one side of the body.
It'll often be the arm, and it would be just
a tremor that they start to notice when they're resting,
and when they go to do something like pick up
a couple, do something, it can actually go away or disappear.
So it's very particular what starts to happen, but over
time it starts to fluctuate, so it can get worse
at particular times a day and better at other times
a day. Now again, over time, other things start to develop,

(01:11:09):
so you can start to get this slow movement disorder
where it's very difficult to do things like pick up cups,
get up off a chair, start to move or walk,
very stiff muscles and a loss of balance which can
risk falls and things often associate with depression. Anxiety and
lack of motivation is another thing that's really seen with that.
People are very low motivation as it develops, and a

(01:11:32):
particular issue is loss of smell and that that actually occurs.
And the other thing that we see is difficulty in speech.
So there's this very slow, difficult to speak thing that occurs,
and this what we call paucity of facial muscles, so
people get this very blank look on their face and
are very difficult to express things. And that's what happens

(01:11:54):
over time as it develops.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Yeah, so what causes it?

Speaker 20 (01:11:58):
Look, we don't know the cause, so it's not well understood. However,
there are some risk factors, so like age is probably
the biggest risk actor. Damn, the history know as risk
fact is that males are more likely to get it
than females. Now there's a couple of other things. Exposure
to certain pesticides, can we thought of got a link
now at some illegal drugs as well. That's the other

(01:12:20):
really interesting thing. But the other one is traumatic brain injuries.
And again probably the big example of that is Muhammad
Ali that three years actually stopped boxing started to develop
Parkinson's and again that was very well known and that
was trauma induced. So there's a number of things that
can be associated with it, right, so can we tweet it? Look,
it can't be cured and it does tend to be progressive. However,

(01:12:43):
there's a range of medication that can actually help and
alleviate the symptoms. Now, these are either medications that replace
the dopamine this chemical and the brain that we're losing,
or stop the breakdown of dopamine in the brain and
they can be very very effective at reducing the symptoms
over time and alleviating symptoms. Now we know that lifestyle

(01:13:05):
is very important, so that's exercise to improve muscle strength, falls, prevention,
use of walking aids, massage, things like that we know
are very useful and actually occupational therapists. They're very very
useful to teach people how to do daily activities like
you know, picking up a cup and doing things, so
they often become involved as time goes on. And there's

(01:13:26):
a very very good support or organization in New Zealand
which is Parkinson's New Zealand. Lots of really useful information,
lots of really useful support mechanisms or to tap into support.
So Parkinson's New Zealand is a really really good place
to go for information on Parkinson's itself and we can
get support.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah right, hey, thank you, Brian, appreciate it as eva great.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
There's doctor Brian Benny with us this morning. It's nine
to eleven. You're Jack Taime on News dogs 'b.

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Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
A man in the garden root climb passes very much,
not in the garden heat indoors today, and usually that
would just be like he would be, he would be
recoiling in enrage the mere prospect. But there is good reason.

Speaker 8 (01:14:14):
Good morning sir, Good morning geck.

Speaker 20 (01:14:17):
Are you're all right?

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
You're you're inside?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I suppose I am inside, But you know, I'm very
relieved that you're helping us out this morning, because we
as well as you know, flailing about in our garden.
I love to grow stuff and doors as well. We
like to have quite a lot of green about it.
But I would say we have mixed results at our place,
to say the least.

Speaker 8 (01:14:37):
It's interesting because and so do I sometimes and it
is and I cannot predict when it happens. So basically
what this is about is the fact that for us
as we we've got normally little trouble in now there's
no problem at all. But Julie and I we we
struggle to grow all kids insight sometimes. And Julie has

(01:15:02):
got two totally right hands and green thumbs, whereas I've
got gang green thumbs anyway, But one of the for instances,
one of the things that we're not really that good
at is it's onsidium, which is the candy downsair, which
is a beautiful tropical if you're like orchard and follownopsis.

(01:15:23):
And here it comes to think, we've got a daughter
is a blinking architect. She knows nothing about guarding me.
And she has been growing in her window sill. And
every time we go there, because they live down the road,
Julie goes like, oh my god, look at how the
hell does she do that? And it's this almost this little,

(01:15:46):
this little family thing going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
But there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:15:49):
So this is exactly what I thought we need to
talk about, because we all know that if you do orchard,
she's got to have a certain nargetant, fertilizer and a potage. Further,
it becomes quite tricky, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
But the point is it, for us, it just doesn't work.
So you put them in a windowsill right where there's

(01:16:11):
a bit of sunlight, so you put the opposite and
then if you've got too much sun, those plants go like, oh,
so you go to an eastern side where the sun
in the morning only when it's not that hot, and
for the rest it's reasonably good life. But et cetera.
And it still doesn't work. I go to Nicki and

(01:16:34):
I see she has the same eastern sun if you
like sun rise in the morning, very very only an
hour or two in the kitchen. And I asked her, so,
how what do you think this works? And she says, oh,
it's very simple. This is the kitchen, so it's always
moist and damp, and there's you've got the oven going.

(01:16:55):
It doesn't wall oh and all that we put we
shall put ours in the kitchen, nada, you know that
sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
It'll be the gang green. It'll be the game green again.

Speaker 8 (01:17:07):
It is the game Green. So but anyway, so we're
we've kind of we're kind of gotten it a bit.
Julie next a little bit of a cutting off that
plut Oh, no, I shouldn't sit on air. Oh shit, anyway,
and it seems to okay, it go okay at the moment,
but you know, you try all sorts of bits and pieces,

(01:17:28):
and then I came to the conclusion that Nikki, just
just what do you mean fertilize this?

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
It's just just ridiculous. Yeah, well, well, the way we
get ours to grow is we don't put it in
the window. Cells. So we've got the waste facing windows,
but we put it away from the winner of a
good couple of meters. I reckon that might be the key, Ruth,
thank you so much. Rude Climb pasted in the garden
for us. After eleven o'clock, I'm going to play you
some of Lord's brand new album, this first album released

(01:17:54):
in four years. News is next though the Saturday morning
I'm Jack Tame and this is his doors.

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Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Good morning. I hope you're having a crack at Saturday
wherever you've woken up in parandole. We can't really say
paradise again with not this weekend. Well we can. We
can say it whether or not we feel it this weekend.
My goodness, it has been a wild thirty six hours.
To say the very least. There are still sorts of
all sorts of warnings in place all around the country.

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Is that the wild front makes its way across New Zealand.
We've got the very latest on the News Talks. He'd
be website, The New Zealand Here old team in the
newsroom this morning making sure they're keeping up to speeders well,
so if you want any of those updates, make sure
you go to enzidherld dot co dot NZED. But just
really very dramatic pictures from a whole range of regions

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from the Deep South right up to right up to Auckland,
So make sure you keep up with the very latest
if you're in part of the country that is expecting
a bit more while weather before this pass finally moves
on before midday on New Storks thet there, we're going
to have a bit of a listen to Lord's latest album.
She released Virgin yesterday, that's the name of the album.

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And I'll tell you what, I've really got the sense
over the last couple of months that Lord has been
enjoying the process of releasing this album. She has really
leaned into making it a bit of an event, and
that she's been kind of drip feeding things for the
last few months. And I remember right back to when
she first released Pure Hero and she was kind of
doing the same thing, but she's kind of taken things

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to the next level with Virgin. So if you go
back to April. That was when she announced a kind
of surprise pop up concert in washing And Square Park
in New York, and it didn't actually happen, if you recall,
the police in the end apparently actually threatened her with
charging her with inciting a riot because of the hundreds,

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if not thousands of Lord fans who turned up screaming
in eager anticipation for that. So no, that was supposed
to be a pop up concert didn't go he quite
as planned. But then in May she had a Lord
themed night at a nightclub in Sydney, or she didn't
have it. They were having a Lord them night at
a nightclub in Sydney, and all of a sudden she
turned up there, and even in New Zealand and Auckland

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when she popped up and had a little secret bathroom concert,
once again giving her fans and followers just a few
tidbits of information on social media, a few breadcrumbs if
you like. Those keenest fans turned up, listened to her concert,
listen to her album in a bathroom, which I think
was such a great idea. So anyway, she has released

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Virgin and the way that she kind of marked the
day yesterday and releasing it was at Glastonburgh. She played
a secret set, so once again kind of not doing
things by halves. She basically said on social media that
she was going to be playing the eleven thirty am
show on the Woodsy Stage at Glastonbury. Heaves and heaps
of fans turned up in the area ours in advance
because they knew it was going to be new music.

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They knew they'd be hearing the album for the first time,
so they were there for that. She played for about
forty five minutes and we are going to play you
a couple of tracks from Virgin before the end of
our show at midday today. So really looking forward to
listening to Lord's latest work. She is just an incredible
creative and I just love seeing, you know, a new
Zealander celebrated on the world stage for their creative output

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as she is. So really looking forward to listening to
a bit of that right now. It is ten past eleven.
Jack Team talk sustainability on Saturday mornings. Kate Hall aka
Ethically Kate, that's her social media name, is with us
this morning, Gilda.

Speaker 15 (01:22:00):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
You're focusing on a bit of sustainability this morning. That
I think most of us often overlook and that's being
digitally sustainable. So like whether it's you know, you're kind
of online life, using emails, all that kind of thing,
using AI, how to be more sustainable when doing it.
So why does this matter? Why should we be looking
at our digital behavior through a sustainability leans?

Speaker 15 (01:22:23):
Well, I think because we all engage in technology, right,
you know, we're all in our phones, our laptops, our computers.
We're storing photos, we're storing documents, restoring voicemails, like we
have all of this stuff that we because it's not
physically there, Like we're not putting our waste into a
physical rubbish bin. We're just draining it to a little

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rubbish icon on our computers, and we're not actually seeing
we're not seeing the stuff visibly, so we kind of
just don't think about it's impact a lot. But you know,
our cloud storage, all our emails, AI in particular has
a carbon footprint, and I mean AI is really new,
and there's all sorts of of SATs around what that

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cabin footprint is that that we've kind of properly settled
exactly on what that looks like. So won't quote any stats.
But it's it's big, and it's only going to get bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
I remember seeing sorry to interrupt you, I saw something
from Sam Altman, you know, who's the CEO of open Ai,
which makes chet GPT. It was last month or the
month before, and he said they're spending millions and millions
of dollars on energy, but just just in the way
that people are saying please and thank you to chet GPT.
So the processing that is involved. If you say to

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chet GPT, can you please give me an idea for dinner?
By saying please, the digital processing that is required requires
so much energy that when you imagine all of the
people around the world saying please and thank you to
chet GPT, it's costing millions of dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:23:56):
It's full on it.

Speaker 15 (01:23:58):
And that's just one great example of you think of
all those little tiny emails and in bus or all
those jupilicate photos that are sitting in your cloud storage
that are all adding up. You know, we say, oh,
I'm just one person, but we're just one person out
of billions of people. So there are some like really
simple things I think that people can, like we can

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get into the habit of I really wish they taught
this at schools around, just like digital kind of hygiene,
because it's not only obviously from an environmental point of view.
Absolutely we want to reduce the carbon footprint the amount
of energy we're needing to store all this stuff globally,
but it's also about it being better for your mental

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health too in a way. It's yeah, if you're I mean,
people say, you know, a clean, cluttered space helps your
mind as well, And I say that with especially with
your computer, if you're someone who has all the tabs open,
all the stuff full of your desktop, or you're following
people on social media that you don't actually feed into
your life. So simple things that I do, And I

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try to do this kind of on a regular basis
and just have that kind of digital hygiene as value
of mine. But I'll do this kind of every few months,
maybe twice a year of just going through and I'm
subscribing from different email databases, things that don't serve me anymore,
deleting bunches of emails that I don't need, and following

(01:25:25):
accounts on social media, looking and assessing my screen time
and actually thinking, you know, am I proud of this
it's less of an environmental but more am I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Yeah, I am?

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I am yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:25:43):
Am I proud of this? Like if I listen to
be on my gravestone right now, you know, whole spent
four hours and twenty minutes dawn his phone because is
that Yeah? Is this actually helping and benefiting my life?
Our technology should be supporting us rather than draining us.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Yeah, rather than dictating everything in.

Speaker 15 (01:26:02):
Our lives exactly. And also, the less time you spend online, yeah,
the more data you're going to at, the more downloads
you're gonna download, all those types of things. And speaking
of downloading something, it's it's about you know, when you're
interacting with your computer, when you're checking emails instead of
downloading something, just clicking through to the link on the internet, different,

(01:26:26):
different stuff like that. I recently, kind of in the
last few years made a task every single day, I
have a task that I make sure my downloads and
desktop is clear.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
Oh that's yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:26:40):
You don't get to the end of the year and
you've got this like huge, big full download follower when
you're going is this important? I actually don't know, So
I'm just gonna save it all. Yeah, So doing doing
things like that. I also, especially as an online content creator,
I have a lot of photos and videos.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 15 (01:26:59):
I'd say, my digital footprint is yeah, quite big compared
to the average person. So so I try. So there's
different apps you can use that actually help you go
through and cull a whole lot of that storage space,
and then you can delete the app when you don't
need it. So just actually rather than just doing that

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whole spring clean going around through your home, maybe awesome
clean before winter. Winter's a great time to do that,
to actually focus on, you know, what is my digital footprint?
How can I make this so have your space for
me and actually reduce my carbon footprint.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Yeah, I think it's such good advice. You know, I
can't even wait as long as you do. I just
do it all the time. It's like a tidy house,
tidy mind thing for me. The moment I gets into
the marketing email to my personal emlagories, I just immediately unsubscribe.
I just it just drives me nuts otherwise. But you know,
I don't often look at it through the leans of

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you know, processing power and the energy required and all
that kind of thing. Most of us just look at
it as a kind of inconvenience, right, but it's such
good advice. Yeah, okay, Hey, thank you for that, Kate.
Really appreciate your time as per. And this is the
ironic bit of our conversation where we go from talking
about getting off digital devices quite you know, as much

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as we are, to reminding everyone that if they want
to find you and follow you online, they can do
so by searching ethically. Kate on the social media platforms
season that is Kate Hall, a sustainability Experts seventeen past
eleven on Newstalks 'DB travel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
With Windy Woo Tours Where the World is Yours book Now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Mike Yardley is our travel correspondent, the Man with the
Toughest Gig on Saturday Mornings.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Golda, Gilda Jacko are you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
I'm very well, thank you. Still kind of a basking
in the after glow of last Saturday. And what was
it you said that you said that the head was
saying the chiefs, the heart was saying the sayers, but
you were there in the stands to see his.

Speaker 9 (01:29:00):
Yeah, it was actually remarkably mild, even though it was
a cold day in christ Shit, I couldn't believe how
pleasant it felt in the stands, but maybe that was
just the warmth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Yeah with the visiting Chiefs fans agree with that, but
it was just it was so good.

Speaker 9 (01:29:18):
Yeah, I tell you what.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
It was.

Speaker 9 (01:29:22):
I was only about three rows back from the field,
which is something we will miss with the new stadium.
So yeah, I mean it was a very intimate experience.
But the thing that really struck me was looking at
the Chiefs players after the game. They looked like broken men.
They were just so genuinely devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 14 (01:29:42):
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
It had kind of test match qualities, I think, a
low scoring game where you really every point is saving.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Anyway, we always get told off for talking too much
about it, so we need we didn't go on any further.
We've reminded everyone that once again they had the champions.
After the last year's disastrous season, they've turned things around
in the best way possible.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
But never month.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Okay, Kito is the capital of It is a place
I've never been. I would love to go, and it
is the second highest capital in the world after Lapauz
in Bolivia, just down the road. So how dramatic is
the landscape in Keto?

Speaker 9 (01:30:19):
I reckon flying into Keto is topographically gripping but also
really quirky because, like, visually it's fabulous, but because the
city is situated nearly three thousand meters above sea level,
the descent on final approach feels really underdone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:37):
You think, oh, yeah, is that it?

Speaker 9 (01:30:40):
But yeah, the layout of the city jack is just
so intriguing. It's like huddled in this long, sinuous valley
of volcanoes, just wrapped around the foothills of the Andes.
It stretches for sixty kilometers Keito, but it's only six
kilometers wide. The other interesting thing not all the volcanoes

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are dormant, some are just snoozing, So that sense of
living on the edge adds to the density of Quito's
eye catching appeal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Yeah, that's amazing. Now the old town in Ketos really
is acclaimed, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
So?

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Yeah, it's a heaving historical quarter, so well preserved, and
it was the first city in the world to actually
score World Heritage status. Most of it was built in
the seventeenth century. I reckon that Plaza San Francisco was
my favorite spot for people watching. Just everything happened in
that plaza and it's fringed with all these low slung

(01:31:36):
merchant shops. Also home to San Francisco Monastery and Church,
which is actually the largest religious complex in Latin America.
The monks actually brewed South America's first beer from that site.
All the Old Town churches, as you could imagine, Jack,
are gilded showstoppers. It's like their interiors were fire hosed

(01:32:00):
and goldly from tip to toe. You'll also want to
hang out in the Lost in Time Ronda, a sleepy
cobbled stones lane which is just lined with colonial houses
and then after dark it transforms into this open air
fiesta of throbbing salsabars.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
Really good and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Culture vultures rave about the old town name.

Speaker 9 (01:32:24):
Yeah, it's crammed with all of that colonial architecture, gorgeous
museums as well. I went to a place called Casa Alabado,
and the artworks in the pottery there are the six
thousand years old because one of the indigenous people of Ecuador,
the Valdivia, they created the oldest pottery in the America

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six and a half thousand years ago. I loved exploring
all of the traditional merchants in the Old Town Jack.
I went into a religious statue repairer store and he
was working on a correct statue of Jesus the rest
as a firefighter.

Speaker 20 (01:33:05):
Ok true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
Statue, do we think?

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:33:09):
He said that it had been passed down through several generations,
so it was quite old.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:33:16):
I meet her local shaman or shaman, Senora Laila. So
she operated the store called El secreto Dallas Plantis and
once again for generations her family have been specializing in
the store healing with plants and potions, and it was
quite amazing. Her shop sort of resembled a cross between

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a tropical greenhouse and a medieval apothecary. But man, she
was doing a brisk business that day.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Amazing. We should have got on to give Rood a
few tips for giving us orchards run before we live.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
So l Secret Delta is the secret of the fruits. Yeah, okay,
I can imagine that part of the world that could
be interesting. Any any sort of standout experiences for you
in the in the.

Speaker 9 (01:34:02):
Market, Yeah, obviously, the tropical fruit is what a god best,
you know, just the sheer array of exotic fruits. The
food stores are really good if you want to just
initiate yourself with some local dishes. So I tried inchibollado,
which is like a fish stew, and even better than that.

(01:34:22):
Lo crau de parpis a potato soup with avocado and cheese.

Speaker 20 (01:34:27):
I thought of you, Jack.

Speaker 9 (01:34:28):
The chocolate, Oh my god, the chocolate and quito. So
traditionally Ecuadorian cacao was just exported. They didn't do much
with it themselves. Now that's changed, so they've got this
flourishing army of artisan chocolate producers, and that's really reaped
up Quito's reputation in the single origin States very quickly.

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Chicha Chicha dehora. It's this age old Andean fermented alcoholic
drink that was made from germinated corn. Traditionally, women would
choose the corn to kick start the fermentation process. Thankfully
my brew was german anted mechanically, or at least I
hope it was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
It is very good, Okay, yeah, it sounds amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:35:12):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Were this sort of standout street eats that you enjoyed?

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
Yeah, I was intrigued.

Speaker 9 (01:35:17):
I had to ask what people were munching on, and
all these vocals were binging on. What I found out
were bollon, which are these fried balls of unripe green
plantain and then they meshed them with cheese and pork.
So for a month on the go, that seemed to
be the go too. Another fabulous thing to try in

(01:35:39):
the sweet treat department is for me. Now, these are
like meringue cones. It's this fluffy meringue cream and you
get it in a white flavor range guava, BlackBerry, and
it served in ice cream cones. But I didn't buy
them from the cafes, not from the street venders, because
the hygiene standards looked very dubious, but really interesting. So

(01:36:00):
it's like hardened ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Yeah okay, but it tastes like marne yes.

Speaker 9 (01:36:07):
Yeah, not as sweet as down merings.

Speaker 8 (01:36:09):
Yeah, really pleasing.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
That sounds good. Okay. So did you make it to
the middle of the world just north of Keto to
stand on the equator?

Speaker 9 (01:36:17):
Yes, I did, Jack, and of course it was the
inspiration for the nation's name Ecuador Equator. Just twenty five
k north of Tito. There's a monument, there's a museum,
and there's people balancing eggs on their tip on the
xatorial line. Of course, there is a slight awkward reality.
The fiach dear Desic Commission three hundred years ago. They

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determined the position of the line, but GPS data has
proven they were two hundred and forty meters off beam.
One job, you go, interestingly, there is a nearby archaeological
site on the hilltop. Okay, so that's this pre Yinka
site called Katakia. It's about, I don't know, a thousand

(01:37:03):
years old or so, and they got it spot on
this ancient astronomical observatory.

Speaker 17 (01:37:10):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 8 (01:37:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
I find stuff like that absolutely fascinating and I just
love it. Like you say, one jobaging the first guy
to turn on the GPS and be like, oh, there's
something wrong with the machine. Turn it off and turn
it on again, Peter, and we'll hang on. No, this
isn't yeah, Okay, there's a lot of interest in Ecuador's

(01:37:33):
new president. Hey, the politics in Ecuador so interesting. Daniel
Noel Bora. I follow him on Instagram and I have
to say that his Instagram feed is very unlike most
politicians whom I follow. So how did the security situation
strike you? Inquital?

Speaker 9 (01:37:48):
Yeah, it was interesting timing because he was being inaugurated
when I was there last month, and of course he's
on a mission to smash the drug hotels and all
of its tentacles and all the corruption. Streete crime has
been an issue in Quito. But your hotel and your guides,
they will warn you of any areas to avoid. Just
take sense all precautions, turning your backpack into a into

(01:38:09):
a front packs, don't hold your phone in your hand
while you walk, and you'll be absolutely fine. You'll feel
so welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
The locals are just delightful.

Speaker 9 (01:38:20):
It's a truly enchanting city.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Amazing. Yeah, it's it's funny what they say. There's a
there's a line in Spanish that translates to like, don't
show papaya, don't make things tempting, you know, So don't
if you've got to, like, you know, got a vintage
roll xing hanging off your arm and weighing you down.
Probably not a great idea. Yeah, okay, that makes a
lot of sense. It sounds like you had the best time.
I'm deeply burning with you this morning, mate. Yeah. For

(01:38:46):
more tips on to deal onto on delving into the
delights of Keito. Mike's article is up at newstalks hed
b dot co dot MZ, forward slash Lifestyle before midday
that new music from Lord. We've got your book Picture
this week, including a really interesting book looking at the
history of Apple the company and its production in China,
a lot of which is of course under scrutiny given

(01:39:09):
the current President of the United States and his thoughts
towards trading with China. So we'll tell you about that
very shortly. Right now, it is eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Thirty getting your weekend started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack
Team on News.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Talks ed B.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Let's let's know what news Talks B. You were Jack

(01:39:49):
Tame through the midday. Then Jason pine is behind the
mic with Weekends Sport. Sale GP is returning to Tarmackie Makoto,
Auckland Piney can be very interesting given the context of
some of our top sailors in the America's Cup in
the relationship with sale GP. But it's so good to
see it back in the city.

Speaker 13 (01:40:05):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
You can't wait.

Speaker 13 (01:40:07):
It was such a spectacular success earlier this year and
back for another year next year. The interesting part of
this is that at the moment it's a one year thing,
so they've said, yep, twenty twenty six is coming back.
But what you're hearing in the background, is that this
is something that they want to make an annual event. Obviously,
they've got to find the money in the host city
and hopefully there's some moves towards that. But you know,

(01:40:29):
in terms of an injection into the local economy, retail, hospitality, etc.
It certainly ticked all those boxes. There will be fourteen
teams next year instead of the twelve they had this year. Conditions,
a great spectator craft, good fan experience. Look, I'm a fan,
as you can probably tell. So let's hope that they
do manage to make it something which comes back again

(01:40:50):
and again and again and.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Hot of Fennewa carpety rugby Unions postpone matches this weekend.
It don't they'd be going ahead given the weather. To
be perfectly honest anyway, But yeah, I mean, once again,
are really you know, really concerning reports about referee abuse
and grassroots rugby and you're going to die this this afternoon.

Speaker 13 (01:41:07):
Yeah, We've had a week of you know, all sorts
of opinion about this, but I do want to really
find out from those who do it on days like today,
and you're right, check parts of the country are bretting
in Clement weather wives. But those who volunteer their time
to go back to referee games and often junior games
as well. The incident that led to this was a
secondary school's match, So you know that tells you the

(01:41:29):
kind of context that we're talking about here. So I really,
after midday want to talk to those who volunteer their
time and how they deal with that and weather. It's
got to the point where they've said, you know what,
I've got better things to do with my time, then
turn up and be abused by people who aren't brave
enough to pick up a whistle themselves. So yeah, go
to delve into that after midday. Do have to say

(01:41:50):
Jack that tomorrow between one and two in this very
studio where I sit, Scott Robertson will be across the
desk All Blacks coach are going to join us for
an hour and I said, hey, mate, you're keen to
take calls, I'll take some calls. So taking your calls
tomorrow has got Robertson between one and too, So a
little plug for the show tomorrow for you.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Am I do I get preferential treat absolutely, you know
the hotel and then I can maybe put on a
voice or maybe give my wife to call it on
our behalf or something as well. All calls are welcome
or calls are welcome, very good. I look forward to that.
And good on Raiser for taking calls. I always think
it's great when people are positions of you know, responsibility,

(01:42:29):
whether they be politicians or leaders or black coaches, are
prepared to, you know, take questions from the people who.

Speaker 13 (01:42:36):
Totally agree about the role they do. Let's tomorrow between
one and one and two. But yeah, but of a
less savory topic today after to Mad Dave. But we'll
give it a crow.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
But such an important one. I think events, I think
absolutely critical. I often think if we're gonna say, like
just how you know, why on earth would someone volunteer
their time when these are the kind of potential things
that you you might be exposed to, you might experience,
you know. I just I think it's important, really important subject.
Jason Pine was or will be with this afternoon taking

(01:43:05):
over the microphone from midday to day with weekend Sports.
So before midday, we're going to play you a good
couple of tracks from Lord's new album, and next up
your book picks for this weekend twenty three to twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
Saturday Morning with Jack Tame Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talk ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Twenty one to twelve. You're with Jack Tame on Newstalks EDB.
Time to get our book picks for this weekend, and
Catherine Rains, our book reviewer, is here with her two
reading recommendations. Calder Catherine, Good morning, Jack. Okay, Let's begin
with Apple and China by Patrick McGee.

Speaker 21 (01:43:41):
So, Patrick McGee is a Financial Times journalist, and he's
looked into Apple and their development and their design and
manufacturing and their relationships and supply chain within China, which
also happens to be the company's second largest consumer market.
And he sort of chats under the leadership of both
Steve Jobs and Tom sorry Tom Cook over the last

(01:44:04):
two decades, and they've caught hondreds of billions of dollars
into the Chinese market over numerous years. And the book
starts actually in Consumer Day in twenty thirteen, where the
Chinese state television criticized Apple for supposedly triadic treating Chinese
consumers poorly, and President g had been a president for

(01:44:26):
thirty six hours when the state sponsors media happened about Apple,
and then you know, three weeks later, Tim Cook issues
an apology in Mandarin on Apple's China TV. And it's
just the really interesting start to the book. Is it
kind of builds behind you know, using China as a
production base in selling iPhones and this you know, cultural

(01:44:47):
or lack of cultural understanding about China, and they kind
of almost, as he describes it, sleeps walk seet walked
into this and about leveraging their cheap labor and their
poor rule of law and this, you know, the extraordinary
economies of scale that come with China. And Apple had
worked with partners before, but then they start working with
one in China and they end up creating the electronics

(01:45:09):
manufacturing giant now fox Con, who could basically, in their terms,
turn fields into factories within months. And Chinese firms offered
Apple whatever they want, and it was about the value
of working with Apple and learning, and it's just it's
really interesting the way that Apple's sort of reliance on
China makes it kind of turn a blind eye to
all sorts of things. And then of course there's Trumps

(01:45:31):
trade wars simmering in the background, and Apple finds themselves
right smack in the middle of this again after spending
what Patrick McGee claims to be two hundred and seventy
five billion dollars in China. So yeah, in that transerver's knowledge,
it's just a very interesting look at a big consumer company.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
Honestly, this is this sounds like if any family member
of mine is listening right now, this sounds like a
fantastic birthday option for me. So interesting because it kind
of has the I've just said that, the you know,
kind of it's an amazing lens through which to view
the changing kind of geo political dynamics in the world day.
Like you said, you learn so much from Apple's moves,

(01:46:12):
but also Apple's experience in China. It's yeah, I think
it sounds absolutely fascinating. So that's Apple very well. Yeah
by by Patrick McGee, very good. Next up something completely different,
The Good Father by a Liam McElvaney.

Speaker 21 (01:46:27):
So this starts as a very ordinary August Day and
it destroys the lives of Gordon and Sarah Rudford and
it's late summer on the west coast of Scotland and
their seven year old young boy Rory is enjoying the
beach outside the family home with their dog, Bonnie, and
then Bonnie comes home alone and Gordon and Sarah look
down the beach and they can't find any sign of them,

(01:46:48):
and the police are called, and there's questions and extent
of searches and more questions, and then hours pass and
days and months. So the story is about this relationship
and real termal when Gordon and Sarah attempt to deal
with the consequences of Rory's disappearance, and about being parents
and husband wife, and they're both grappling with what could

(01:47:08):
be worse than your child disappearing and replaying this what
was a really ordinary day where Rory had done something
he often did, which was playing near their house with
their dog, and they felt like they lived in a
safe community in their small town, and he always returned home,
and so they have that guilt and fear, and of
course the gossip and what their neighbors are thinking, and

(01:47:28):
they're just left in this complete limbo of uncertainty and
waiting and wandering, along with the very strained relationships with people,
including the police, as they're searching for Rory and they
just can't find the answers to their questions and I'm
not understand anymore because they will destroy the story. Really
really good crime novel about family, life and loss and

(01:47:49):
the emotions and twists and turns that will keep you
hooked to.

Speaker 5 (01:47:52):
The very end.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Superb Okay, great little recommendation, Thank you so much, Kath.
And That's the Good Father by Liam mcelvaaney. Apple and
China by Patrick McGee is Catherine's first pick for us
this weekend. Both of those will of course be on
the news talks He'd Be website. We've got new music
for you. Lord has just released Virgin, her latest album,
so we've chosen a couple of songs to play uniques

(01:48:14):
right now. It's sixteen to twelve, giving you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
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Speaker 18 (01:48:25):
Might have been for again Bad feel like I don't
have the answers this piece of madness overheads Lady carry Me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
It is the first track on her brand new album,
dropped yesterday. Virgin is the name of the album of
Stelle Clifford. Our music reviewer has been keenly anticipating the
release and has shut herself away from the world, I
hope so that you can listen to it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:09):
And she's with this this morning, Hey Hello, and it's
kind of one of those albums you need to take
a beat just to absorb everything that is going on
in virgin I don't know if you remember when she
released Mellow Drama. The way she released it was suddenly.
I remember late one night, I was out searching for
the green lights around Auckland City that apparently pops up

(01:49:30):
and once you've found them, you'd get to hear like
the full first track from that album, and you're like,
she just she kind of callsed a frenzy, which is
exactly what she's managed to do with the album as well.
So she kind of suddenly out.

Speaker 15 (01:49:42):
Of nowhere, like we haven't.

Speaker 10 (01:49:44):
She's been keeping pretty low key for four years, and
then suddenly there's this new song and she's like, hey, everyone,
meet me at this park in New York, and so
of course everybody goes to the point where police end
up sending people home, and then she just does that
kind of random lord dancing while performing to her new
big single, and it's everywhere over social media. So suddenly

(01:50:05):
just I think quite easy in such a catchy way
to go hello, there's some new music coming from the
wood and really create that hype around it, exactly like
green Light, and I think it sort of says a
lot for how Virgin does have similarities to her melodrama
album in its musicality and context, so Solar Power that
came out in twenty one, very She'll leave Me Alone.

(01:50:28):
I'm at the beach vibes that would have been in
the public eye too much that has gone part that
we're not there anymore. We are back either on the
dance floor just letting go and releasing our feelings because
it is all in this album and something I've really
enjoyed with her growing storytelling and writing. This one is

(01:50:49):
very personal. So all the stories and all the connection
to the music are from her own personal experience and
what she has been going through. As you do when
you sort of hit that mid twenties into your late twenties, happens.
Relationships change, you try new things, go different places, and
they all have an effect on who you are as
a person. So she's used that, you know, this is

(01:51:12):
I think sometimes she's written music from a perspective or
like a dream kind of sequence of what might happen
or you know, like yeah, observation, but sort of from
the sideline as opposed to we're well and truly in
where she's aten. Obviously, she's had a lot of chats
around how she's had some real issues with her own

(01:51:35):
body image, having issues, eating disorder, stuff that she's gone through,
and so writing all that kind of angsty stuff that
she's working through and releasing ours in this thrial cathartic way,
and her music is just exciting to hear. It's raw
and it's angsty. It's still got that real quirky you

(01:51:55):
know how, like you think you know where a song
is going, and then Lord always manages to do kind
of like this left turn on something, whether it's the
melody or the way that the percussion comes in quite
the drums percussion. Throughout this album, you do get some
soft stuff with It's a couple of ballads in here,
but they still have that bills that she she she

(01:52:16):
does with the crescendo and I like for in an interview,
she called it her brevardo, trying out a bit of
her masculine size, like what is it to just be
like it doesn't matter. I'm not buying into this. Women
have to be in a box of what their size
is or how they judge themselves. Like what if I
did feel manly for a change, do I wanted to

(01:52:37):
have that confidence?

Speaker 15 (01:52:38):
I suppose.

Speaker 5 (01:52:39):
Yeah, nothing understated in this album.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
No, it's good. I love that she just goes in
a different direction because she kind of did that, like
with the last one with Melodrama after Pure Hero and
she kind of, you know, went on another completely. I
think her like she should, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:52:54):
Growing, and I think her fans grow with her as
opposed to go and people want the same thing you
did when you were sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
Exactly, We're okay.

Speaker 10 (01:53:02):
Like she's done that really well, Like it's okay to
evolve and grow as a person. So she takes her
fans with her as opposed to everyone craving for this
other thing she does.

Speaker 16 (01:53:11):
She worked with a different.

Speaker 10 (01:53:12):
Producer, Jimmy Stack, and I think that's been.

Speaker 16 (01:53:15):
A good challenge for her.

Speaker 10 (01:53:16):
He questioned her and he changed things around and and
she went with that and worked with it, and I
think it just She's worked with Joel for Jack and
antonof Look for quite a few albums, and I think
just having that refresh of someone else looking at your music.
She's like, I've got to follow my instincts here and
just have a little go at something else. And I

(01:53:38):
think that challenge means she's pushed herself in wanting to
tell these stories really great phrasing, her lyrics like the
one in Hammer, I'm ready to feel like I don't
have the answers. There's pieces of the madness over our
heads that is becoming an adult. So like we all
go when we go, oh yeah, I know I'm an
adult now, Like we're all just fake in it, aren't we?

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
Like, I mean, she's always been a poet. Like her
lyrics are amazing. Yeah, I think I think she's incredible. Yeah, great, interesting,
But I think I'm going to have to find a
moment and really like lock myself off so I can
have a good listen.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
So what did you give?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Virgin?

Speaker 10 (01:54:13):
This is a ten out of ten for me. I
think she's really done a great job. It's a great
shape shifter is going to take you out. You'll love
the catchy there's a percussion raf and it's dominated by
drums and really about transforming and growing and evolving.

Speaker 5 (01:54:30):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Yeah, oh, so good. All right, really looking forward to this.
Thanks so much to Stelle. We really appreciate it. Steale Clifford.
She had been, of course desperately anticipating this album, but
still she's only had twenty four hours to give it
a good listen. Ten out of ten for Lord's Virgin
sounds like it was well worth a listen. So we
will have a listen to one of those tracks in
a couple of minutes. Right now it is seven to twelve.

(01:54:51):
We're back in a second on New Stalks.

Speaker 5 (01:54:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
That'd be poor, I'll producer. Helen is that around a
rough couple of days she missed out on Dolly Parton tickets.
You know, Dolly's doing this amazing show in Las Vegas.
Helen is like an absolute ride or die Dolly fan,
And so she got up at four o'clock in the morning,
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saw them being scalped online for like thousands of dollars.

(01:55:23):
More so frustrating. But to add to everything. She's been
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Great to be working with you this morning on Newstalks,
he'd be, and thank you to you at home for
all of your feedback this morning, all of your text
and emails. I'm such a pleasure to do the show,
everything from our Saturday Morning together. Is it Newstalks? He'd

(01:55:43):
beat on Codon ed Ford slash Jack, I'm gonna leave
you with Lord. Her new album is Virgin This is
Shape Shifter. See you next week, not.

Speaker 8 (01:56:21):
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