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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Morning, everybody, it's the j Envy Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest
in the building. Indeed, his new album is out right now.
One night in California, Ladies and gentlemen, Dietrich had him.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Says, blessings and favor y'all. Good to see y'all. How
are you feeling today? Hey, man, I'm a big fan
of the show, big fan of yours. Charlemagne the God,
jes big fan. Good to be here, man, Blessed to
be alive and well.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy to have you my brother.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Tell us about the sight of one night in California,
because you know it sounds sexual. And when you hit
from Jesus, you hit that from a godful artist, you're like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
No, No, it's all about man. The night I had
to reaffirm and reconfirm my yes to my calling and
my yes to God, and my yes to my faith
in God. And that's.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
In California. Huh, I said, what happened in California.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They had a moment where I just I had to really,
you know, make a decision whether I wanted to continue
to sing gospel music and represent God in that way,
you know, because I was so traumatized by by what
I had gone through. I went through a divorce, and
you know, and before the divorce process was over, I
met my beautiful wife that I loved dearly. Shout out
to Dominique, what's up? And we had a baby out
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of wed locking. For the church, that's a no no.
First of all, the divorce, then you got a baby
out of wedlock. And once the message the fan is like,
you know this guy, this is the this is the
well done, this is mister Sinner's prayer, this is the
guy he's able to sing all these big hit songs
in gospel music. And so I had a season in
my life, man, where I just had to really really
realign myself to my calling. And it happens, man, it
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happens to everybody, not just me, It happens to everybody.
You're gonna have to continue to say yes to the
calling that's upon your life, because life be lifing.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Do you put a lot of or do people in
general put a lot of pressure on theyself trying to
follow every single thing that the Bible tells you because
there's so many things the Bible tells us not to
do and we all fall short.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, the Bible does talk about the straight and narrow,
and that's not easy to do when life is giving
you twisting turns and pitfalls and potholes, and on the journey,
you can get out of alignment with your assignment. So
you're gonna unfortunately, well fortunately, you're gonna have to continue
to say yes to whatever your divine assignment is. Whether
you're a pastor, whether you're a great announcer, great breakfast club.
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You're assigned to this, You're gonna have to continue to
say yes to it because you know, there gonna be
times when you say, man, I don't know if I
want to do this? Is this for me? You know,
it comes with the journey. But that's the beauty of it,
because that's what ministry is. That's what being fulfilling your
calling is. It's blessing others. Why you're bleeding yourself.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Now, it's helping. Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, Now
you're from Detroit, right, d What up Doe?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What up dough?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So when it comes to when it came to gospel music,
how did you get into gospel music.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh. I started professionally when I was sixteen years old.
I was a minister to my church choir when I
was thirteen. So I was just gifted early and started
pursuing gospel. The gospel industry early is sixteen years old.
So I've been in there for quite some time now.
It's about thirty plus years. I've been doing it, and
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
So you did it before?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It was well?
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Oh come on, jes Well, you know I still got
two favorite songs, amen, because look I was a little
dancer back in my day, and I actually I danced
to that song at different churches.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Amen. And then never Let You Go. That is a
prophesying song.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh my god, you know just oh listen, she she holds,
she's sanctified, she's churchy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
So yeah, your new album on one night in California,
I didn't think of anything sexual when I heard it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Thank You.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
You got a different you got.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Like different feels in it, like hip hop or reggae.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
You know, like R and B.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Like was that intentional because it's kind of like a
gospel mixtape.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Absolutely, And that's the way I approached it. I started
just by approaching it that way. I just wanted to
just It was a song called I Want My Respect, right,
I had just I was just on YouTube like we
all do, and see what people got to say about you.
And I just seen the slow people just running me
down because you know, I had my birthday fiftieth birthday celebration.
I was dancing and whatever, and people they judge you
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like crazy. So I went in the studio. It's very
therapeutic for me when I make music, So I just
went in there and said I want my respect, and
that was my hook on the song. And so from
that song, it birthed all these other songs. So it's
kind of a mixtape. It's amazing that you really check
that out. So yeah, man, it was really This album
is really a heat check and kind of like a
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mixtape because I'm saying things that I normally wouldn't say
on one of my albums, one of most of my albums.
You know, I'm singing up in the clouds, God give
God to give you glory, are you amazing? Or we
worship you? On this one, I'm talking from my heart.
I'm sharing what I feel. And that's the thing about
a lot of gospel artists. We don't a lot of
people don't know how to connect to us because we
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don't really share what's on our hearts. You know, think
about hip hop. That's all the rappers. They share what's
on their heart. That's what I love about this beef.
You hear what Kendrick got to say to Drake, so
you know, you know what's on his mind. You don't
know what's on these gospel artist's mind.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, it's all glory to God, but it's not
like a personal touch to it exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And you got to have that personal touch because God
uses human beings to get his work done on earth.
So it's all right to share your testimony and share
what's on your heart. I'm not saying to create a
gospel beef and do a mixed you know, a beef.
You know, I ain't saying to do that, but I mean, like,
let people know how you feel. So when they hear
me say I want my respect, they're like, what, we
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don't want to hear that. We want you to sing
about Jesus. Okay, he's so way you can sing about
Jesus and share your heart because you have to live
the journey while you're singing about Jesus. You got to
live this thing out.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's never got a gospel beef though, right, there's never
been a two gospel art that's going back and forth.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let me take my crazy. It's been beefs, but we
ain't put it on no song. Gospel artists beef though,
like the human white.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Aliens.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And I know, but I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, listen, we don't put it. We're not crazy enough
to put it in the song. But it's a whole
lot of stuff that goes on in our industry, and
we're sworn to secrecy because we got to live.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
We have.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know, it's a cold we're spreading the gospel.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
But without saying names like what, like what would a
beef be flip a table?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You'd be surprised what happened between two artists in our
community that you never know.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You gotta give you something.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We're doing a lot of stuff. We're human, we sleep with,
sleeping with each other's wives. We're doing all kinds of stuff.
It's all kinds of human. We're human being.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I didn't let me take that. I don't do that.
But because I believe there's a standard there's a cold.
But see, that's the thing about the gospel singing, the
gospel community. You can easily mask what you're doing by
saying Jesus Jesus and not have integrity and character behind
closed doors. So it makes it easy for you to
do a lot, a whole lot of dirt. So it's
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more dirt in that community than it is in the
secular community. And I don't want people to don't come
down on me about that. I'm just telling you the truth.
I've lived it, I've been I'm an authority in this.
I've been here for thirty years. I could tell the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
One off is more of it is just amplified because
it is the gospel community. And people think these things
shouldn't happen in the gospel.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Community, right, I think is amplified, and it's happening. It's
happening because it's easy to pull the wool over people's
comor over people's eyes, rather by saying Jesus Jesus, quoting
scriptures and we're supposed to forgive, we're supposed to love
and do your dirt behind closed doors. That's why the
scripture talks about wolves in sheep's clothing Now, I don't
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want to paint the picture that the gospel community is
full of dirt, you know, because most people are in
the gospel music, we're trying. That's that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You're trying to fulfill a divine assignment while you're being human.
And when that human when when the human side comes in,
it kicks in. Whether you're a preacher, whether you're a
gospel singer, it kicks in. And you just have to
again back to my song one out of California. You
have to realign yourself. You gotta repent, You got to
get back on track. You gotta take responsibility for your
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what your piece of the problem, and keep going. And
that's the beauty of the gospel.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So when it comes to the gospel, is the gospel
music is it a sound.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Or a language.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's a message and it's a sound, and it's not
one thing about the community. We we like to be
stuck in a particular sound.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
You try, He's.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Hall, it makes you, It reaches the soul. And so
the problem is we're stuck there while God is trying
to move us to the future to connect with the
next generation. And so the warfare is they judge people
to try to go and reach people outside of the.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Have you tried Jesus?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know why you can't say have you tried?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Mine?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Jeans jeans all riot and so they say you you
trying to be like the world. No, I'm connected. This
is the sound of this day.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
You can tell me married j Oblige. My life is
not a gospel song. That's a gospel gospel.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
When I went to the concept to have my hands right, okay,
charge is hilarious.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Well, even with that being said, do you feel like
you have to fully give your life to the Lord
to make gospel music?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I believe that singing the gospel, of preaching the gospel
is a divine calling. It's a divine assignment. Is more
than just a career choice. It's what you are called
to do, right and so you and yes, there are
sacrifices and requirements to represent god fully where people can
look in your eyes and see the truth and hear
(10:11):
what you're saying and know that you're speaking truth and
so uh. And if you're fake about it, it's gonna
come off fake. If you real about it, what's real
reaches real people.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You just quoted DG. Yola and that's another gospel record.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
D G.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yola ain't gonna let up because on that song he says,
you lift fake, you die fake. And he says that
after saying get yourself together, go get your brain a bath,
go to church, start listening, get on the right path.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Now who is that I need to listen?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
D G.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yola ain't gonna let up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Is he a pastor?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
No, he's a he's a rapper from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I mean the record is is old, but it's just
I always felt like that was a gospel record.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So that's what I'm saying, Uh, Dietrich, I'm saying, like,
because there are artists who are not preachers and pastors
and bishops who they'll they'll put out gospel music. You know,
they'll put out music and they'll call it gospel. Like,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
What is your opinion?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, let everything to have breath, praise the Lord. Everybody
have the responsibility to give God praise. I'm not here
to judge. I can't say you're not worthy to sing
the gospel. That's crazy. You know, everybody should be giving
God praise. I expect every R and B artist, hip
hop artist to do some kind of offering to the
Lord when it comes to music on their albums. So uh,
(11:24):
you'd be surprised, who know the Lord. That was just
at the Jogi'sy concert the House of Blues. Took my
wife there in California. But watch this, watch this, watch this,
watch this Casey told his testimony shook the whole room.
It went from just everybody just partying to a whole
like a church church service, because he talked about you know,
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he had a stroke and it was gone. And I
talked to him afterwards. I said, man, you you just
did what most preachers and prophets cannot do. Stay on
this path, keep doing what you're doing. He had Yeah, Yeah,
he tell and he looks good man, you know, singing
like crazy. He got it back like KC. He's one
of my vocal heroes because you know, he comes from
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the church, got that quartent sound and I just love it.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I think that's what's missing missing from a lot
of gospel music.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
As you just said, the testimonies.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I feel like, you know, when you go through things
in life, if you have a platform, you're supposed to
share those things, whether it's comedy or whether it's radio,
whether it's music, whatever it is, or whether it's just
giving a speech, you should you should share those testimonies.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Man, A lot of a lot of artists are really
prophets and people that are signed to the earth to
put great to God's message to the world. Even though
that's not saying I'm a prophet. I go to church
every day and all that. There are people that are
called by God to do what they're doing, to send
love in the atmosphere, to send strength in the atmosphere,
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to make people laugh. That's a gift from God. Every
good and perfect gifts comes from the Lord. It's men,
the wicked hearts of men that perverts it. Now, those
gifts come from God. I was gonna ask.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So when you speak about those gifts, you also write
for artists that are not gospel artists?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Do you ever feel a way like no, I can
only write for gospel artists.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You read and root for us. You don't wrote for
various artists. So how do you do when you're writing
those records for people?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I can write a love song better than probably anybody
that wrote it, because when you talk about God is love,
God is love. I wrote a song I wrote three
songs shout out to Zaetoven and Usher Russia's my brother
my brothers, and they let me write on that usher
A album. I think I did say what you wanted,
three songs on there, and they couldn't believe I was
in there, all the young casts in You're writing this
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is that. I was like, man, hey, this is our gift.
Were flowing in our gift. This is how we make money.
You know what I'm saying. Then you ask me how
do I live what I do when I go home,
I'm not trying to go out and do letting crazy.
I got my wife, I got my purpose. I'm trying
to build legacy. And then when it's time to write,
the opportunity again, I'm going to write you want me
to come sing at the where I mean? Can I
inspire people in that space I'm coming?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
When you write for others, and do you try to
use them as a vehicle to get your message out
or do you get into their world and write from
their perspective? Because I wonder how people would feel about that.
They say, oh, you're writing secular music.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, I can't be concerned about how people feel about
how I use my gift or how God wants me
to use my gift. I like to get into the
heart and mind of the artists and see where they
are and try to help relay their message. And so
that's it. Just you try to express what they're trying
to express. You know. I can't come in there talk
about you need to say, jeu, make a gospel song. No, no,
(14:33):
If that's what you want to do, I help you
do that. If you want to talk about love, there's
some songs that they may want to do. Then that's
not really my thing. So I give it over to
my partner that can write, and that's what he kill it.
And I come in and bring the melody, you know.
And so that's my strength, melodies and love songs, you know.
So I stay in my lane so I can be successful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And you a PK? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Were you a straight and narrow PK or did you
have your your wild ways?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
If I say they was straightened the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wildest.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
They say the p ks are the worst kids, man,
were the ones have to deal with the most pressure.
You gotta be saved and holy before you really holy.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You gotta be the perfect example of truth. You know
among your peers before you really know what that means.
You know what I'm saying. So it's it's rough shout
out to all the p k's. I'm representing all y'all
were standing up.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Did your did your father your father's Bishop Clarence be
Hadding Senior, right, Yes, sir, did he? Did he give
you grace when you did fall short? Or did he
demand you rise to that level of being?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I come here, Yeah, I come from the old school church. Doctor.
If you seeing you going to the front row and
they gonna they're gonna let you see so you won't
do it again. They had a good heart, good intentions,
but that wasn't no way to do it. And then
that's why I don't do that. At my church in California.
People fall short, they repent of their sins, you know,
whoever they offended or you know, they got to answer
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to them or repent to them. And then you keep
going because we all fall short and come short of
the glory of God. Nobody's perfect. The Bible says the
scripture this is a deep scripture. He said, if a
man says he has no sin, he is a liar.
And the truth is not in them, because they're sining
in all of us. Because the Bible says, in this
flesh worketh no good thing. And that's where the Holy
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Spirit comes into play. It's very important to have the
Holy Spirit's gonna help you navigate through all this stuff
that the flesh wants to do.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You started preaching, OK, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Oh you were one said that you was called to
preach at the age of ten.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, that is young.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Like how was that experience?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Like how what do you mean like you were called? Like,
describe that experience if you can.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I literally heard the voice of God speak to me
and tell me, Dietrich, you're gonna sing and preach the gospel.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sure that wasn't Bishop Clarence.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It could have been his voice. But why, I says,
I was by myself in my room. Guess what. I
went straight to my mother's room and told her just
what I just heard. She put me right up. That
next Sunday, you said, you called the preacher, got me
a robe in the Bible and put me up.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You remember the first serve.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Listen, I lost everything, my trainer, thought and everything in
front of a whole crowd of people.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I read my scripture, sang my song. Then I just
lost my because I looked at my friends about Yeah,
I was ten years old. That's too much pressure, you know.
But from that point on, I've never had a loss
for words, you know, because I said, I ain't gonna
never let them laugh at me again. I learned every
Bible verse, every scripture, so I could never be laughed
at again.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Wow, I saw in the song my respect you say
I bought a new sound in gospel music. I paved
the way I did it way back in the day.
And you know, twenty years later you still hear and
you say you got to give credit with credits due.
Do you feel like you still don't get the credit
for paving the way of a new sound in gospel music.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think there are opportunities for people to acknowledge my
part in it that they where they deliberately keep it
out of there because people it's such a small genre,
so people are holding onto their piece of the pie,
you know what I'm saying. They think by ignoring you
or trying to omit your part will help them maintain
what they have. And I don't think that's good at
all for gospel music. I think it's important for all
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of us to respect all of our contributions to gospel music,
you know. And I'm not I'm not. I'm just saying, hey, look,
I earned my stripes. I've been thirty years plus in
this business. You know. I'm I got my battle scars
for I've paid my dues in the gospel industry, you know,
And a lot of times people tend to look at the
few people when you think about gospel music, you think of,
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what's the first few names that come to your mind.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Kirk Franklin, Boom Franklin, Gina.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Bell, Bell, I'm thinking about my God, God, God.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
My God.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay, gotch no no, no, no disrespect to Gina Bell.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
But honestly, Kirk Franklin, Marry Mary Boom. So that's probably.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But there's I want to tell everybody there's a whole
slew of incredible gospel artists, and I want to motivate
y'all to look into them, to.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Them well in the God music.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So yeah, she knew my songs that I just know,
so I can tell she's into the industry. She knows
the music.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Who are yours?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Yes, well, my first like my time five? Yeah, Okay,
so we have Yolanda Adams do. I do like Hezekya Walker,
like the greatest, Fred Hammon, Dietrich heading and I grew
up on Dietrich Headen and.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Uh Tie Tribute. Those were my two favorites.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Then you go to women and C. C. Wine and
bbe One, you know all of them. But yeah, I
like the men. The men prophesied you not no discredit
and to the women. But you know, like when you
want to really feel, like when you're going through something,
you can play a song.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You can cry through the song. That's different.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
That's your Fred Hammond's, that's your Dietricks, those are your
you know, like, that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She has the perfect balance of righteous and ratchets. It's crazy,
crazy and sexy read and glow Reller like. She is
the perfect balance. She loved music.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I love it too, man. I listened to it all.
I listened to it all. It's incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Now there was a past of that. I told a
woman to hush during during worship.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Henderson, man, what do you mean respect?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Respect?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
And you was you was kind of upset about that.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I wasn't upset. I just had a perspective. I got them.
I got the utmost respect for Pastor key On Henderson.
I don't want him feel like Dietrick is out for him,
you know, but uh, I just don't agree with how
he handled that matter. You know. I think that you
have to keep in mind that's one of your sheep.
You're the shepherd, and you're responsible to cover her. And
if she's crying, it means she's hurting. And if she
if you, and also could mean that you're you said
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something that impacted her. And if people can't holler in church,
what can they holler? Sometimes that's all that's the only
thing they could do is to get to church and
just let it out. You know, you'd be surprised what
people are going through through the week. So me personally,
this Dietrich, if you come to my church, you can
holler from the point that you get walked through the
door to the end. Because I understand people need God,
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they need help, and they need a place where they
can release. And I've been in church all my life,
talked about my dad, Biship Hadden. I just never seen
me personally, I've never seen any pastor hush a woman
up like that. It's a new day, so it's a
new so, but I'm old school when it comes to that.
I'm I'm a young man, but I got old school
principles when it comes to church, Like the church belong
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to dance people. That's where people supposed to praise, that's
where they're supposed to cry. When the Holy Spirit moves
on them, you hold back. It's not about you, it's
about God moving for the people.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, let's play. Let's play.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't want to say Devil's advocate, my boy, God,
don't don't because fatter Keon said that this wasn't an
isolated incident, and I don't know. I'm not saying that
this is what happened if you in church. I'm just
using a scenario you in church, and it's a person
that comes to church all the time and they always
they go live while they're in there, and they cut up.
I mean they cut up. I mean they act like
they got the Holy break, dancing on the floor. I
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mean they're just going crazy every service, and they kind
of being disruptive. Would you be like, all right, sister,
all right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Brother, No, I will never hush them because I understand
they may have a husband, son, daughter, family and they're
coming after you after church's services. If you hunch my
mother up, I dare yeah, how much I sing the gospel,
I'm coming after you. So you got to use wisdom
right there. Especially, I come from a deep the hood.
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Our church was in the hood. We had six crack
houses on the block, and the neighborhood would come to
our church. So you can never do anything like that
where you disrespect somebody's auntie mother. It's a rap. If
you do that, you may get shot after church after
you done hollered the preaching save somebody else. You done
lost your life over disrespecting somebody. So I just don't
agree with that. Now, if you know that person is
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dealing with that issue, you're the shepherd. You know that
they've been there, it's not the first time issue. So
you handle them with care because you know that they
have some maybe mental issues maybe, So you tell your
deacons armor bird say go tell them, you know, go
do that. You know what I'm saying, But you never
do that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
You don't have a conversation privately or.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
A man I was. I was in contact him with
him sometime in the past. But I don't I don't
you know, I'm I don't force relationships at all.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
And something and to your scenario that you just gave Charlemagne. Sometimes,
like you, it's other people in place for that. You
got uh ushers, you got overseers, you got deacons, like
prayer warriors will go in try to calm that, try
to calm that person down, still not shushing them, but
covering them and prayer. You know, if somebody falling out
on the floor, okay, they'll go get something to cover.
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If it's a woman, gets something to cover her, pray
her start, you know, really really prophesying and you know,
ministering to her to like kind of calming down. If
it is just an act, there is no shush because
my church in the hood too, you And he's right
about everything he said, like we have my church, and
then we have a church right next to us, and
then like houses across the street that are vacant, you know,
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gas station, hood marks like stuff like that. So you
just never shu because you how can you tell when
somebody is not being serious. Everybody don't have the spirit
of speaking in tongues. Everybody don't know. Sometimes all you
can do is just how to hug yourself, run around
the church.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It's all about how the spirit moves you. So you
don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I say, you just let it be, let it, let it,
let him go until they calm down. You know, you're
there so people can get their breakthrough. That's why you
are preaching, you know, that's why you're sharing the gospel
so they can get that moment, have that moment of release.
So I would leave that alone. So that's how I
would have handled it. You know, every two each his own.
Every man governs their house differently, so you know, however
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he wanted to do it, that's how he did it.
But people asked me, dit, what would you do? I
told him, you know, I'm very vocal about it, and
that's whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You got the blue rag around your neck?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, no, it's a style, you know. I love I
love style. Man.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, yeah, all right. Now, we had Charlie Wilson on
the show If Charlie Wilson, the Legend, the icon, and
he was kind of critical of art and be artists
who make gospel music, oh, you know, just to get
radio play or use the format to get a hit song.
If I remember correctly, he said that that's what people
do when.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Nothing's working for them. Oh and the other genres of music.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's the truth, man. I wish I could say differently.
And I'm a fan of a lot of artists, man,
A fan of you know. I love artists, whether it
be actors, whether it be Will Smith doing his gospel song,
I'm a big fan of his, whether it be Kanye
I'm a big fan of his previous work as a producer.
I respect him highly. But that seems like that's the
trend now where people when they're kind of falling off,
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they look to God, they look to the church, and
they go because they can easily get a number one
among church folk. Because church folk, we're just so glad
you done came in here. Just give Will Smith ahead,
Kanye left, and we give him number one. They overwrite
anybody else that's been in the gospel industry. We give
you all the number ones. I got a problem with
that piece this, that little piece right there. But I
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don't have a problem with them making their gospel songs.
But but there's something there. Those of us that are
in it, we live it, We live, eat breathe this.
It's like hip hop. There are people that live, eat
breathe hip hop. We live, eat breathe this gospel, and
so when you come in, we expect you. When you
do that, we're like, okay, you coming in, brother, you're
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coming in. You're gonna help us build this thing. We
go on to the next level. Then you go, you
get your number one, You back with people loving you again,
and where you at what we thought you was? Now
you're doing what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You got your wife walk around naked but naked we
thought you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Was mister Sunday Service number one album number one. You
got your number one?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Are you gone?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
But could it be like that?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's how he felt in that moment, like when he
created like, for instance, we can go even further back
with Jesus Walks right.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
When he did Jesus Walks, that's the gospel record right,
yeah to me.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When he did that, that was when when he put
that out, people were like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
And it was on the gospel charts and hip hop charts,
so it opened up.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
A world of people, Oh, Jess Walks into the gospel charts.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Uh huh, I think it did.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think they were playing it like crazy tis everywhere
And even when he did his Sunday Service, a lot
of people came out there for worship that usually or
maybe wouldn't go to churches often.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
What message are you sending now because you ain't doing
Sunday service no more, You ain't singing no gospel music
no more. Now you cussing and acting like you ain't
never never knew Jesus.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But then we could talk about pastors and preachers that
that that have been preaching and now what they doing
Now they're they're fake prophesied and they're cheating, they're doing
something like that.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So it's kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Everybody gonna have a give an account for what they're doing, correct,
because at the end of the day, that judgment day
is coming for all of us. I'm not here to
judge nobody. I'm just telling you what I don't like
to see because I live this gospel. Because we see
Snoop doing Snoop did the gospel, and I'm a big
Snoop fan.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes you got a Grammy for it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
What I just what I like about Snoop. Though Snoop
went and got the artist in the genre and put
it on the album, it wasn't just about Snoop. He
brought Rance Allen, who was like the greatest male vocals
of all the time who never really got his respect.
He gave He got a number one song with Ran Salin.
So we look at that. As gospel artists, we like
man Snoop is really about that. He's in it. He
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loves gospel music. He may not have the conviction, maybe
have some weaknesses and things like that, but we know
he loves gospel music because we've seen who he pulled together.
You got the artist, not just the big names that
everybody always go to. You went and got the artists.
So you love the genre, you love the community. But
other ones, I don't see what's going on. I don't
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see you. You still doing you trying to? I don't know.
I'm not here to judge, you know what.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It sounds like a little bit, you know how when
the country artists be like, don't do no country records.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Like you you stay in your arm b but like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, if I want to try country because country is
in my heart and this is how I'm feeling right now,
you should.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Be able to express yourself in that way.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I feel like bigger than a genre of music for y'all, though,
I think in a way it's like I guess that's
the way, stop stop playing with God.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, boom boom, you said something about country music. That's
what I love about country music. I think Beyonce deserves
to do any country song. She's from Texas. She lived
that life, you see what I'm saying, So she can
do that. But I like the fact that they have
some guardrails up where you gotta come through somebody to
just you ain't gonna just make a country song. You
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gotta They make you work for it.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
They gonna box you out right gospel music.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You just anybody can wake up tomorrow and say I
want to sing gospel because I'm falling off and I
want to do I want to get that number one.
I know the community gonna support me. Then they get
that number one, then they're gone. Where are the guard rails?
Where are the people to say, no, man, you what
you're doing. You gotta live this thing. Bro, you can
do your gospel song, but don't play with us. Don't
play with God. Where the people at? Where the leaders at?
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You see what I'm saying That gatekeepers, I mean leaders
in hip hop. You can't just up and just if
you ain't really about that life. Man, they don't take
That's what Kendrick said, no, you Drake, you are you
really about this?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It's like, man, it's guardrails bro you you you Doe
came in and you did what you did. But that's
enough if you go if you're gonna be about it,
you gotta really be about it. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Somebody could say that about preachers and pastors and people
in the church too, right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We talk about if you're gonna be about it, you
be about it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But they will hear preachers and pastors and deacons that
people look up too because they're in the church. They
read the Bible, they take the classes. They are more
you think, tied into quote unquote regular people. But then
when you see them doing some foul, it's it's the
same feeling.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The same feeling.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, you gotta you gotta hold people accountable. I'm
not here to cover nobody that. If you're doing wrong,
you somebody gotta hold you accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But yeah, back to the music, It's like, yeah, man,
we want we want people to really because it's people
that's really sacrificing. Man, to stay in this. I've turned
down at least five secular record deals on my journey
because it's a calling. You know what I'm saying. I
signed a deal with Erasion. It was done when I
was a kid. I walked away from it because this
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is a calling. And now to see you just come
in and just do what you want to do and
then walk away and just don't it don't sit right
in in my heart or anybody else's heart who've been
living this thing. Sacrifice. We can make money just like
anybody else. I'm not singing gospel because I couldn't make
it anywhere else. I'm doing it because this is what
this is me since I was a kid. This is
my assignment on earth. You got to understand that when
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you decide to and I'm not telling anybody not to
do this gospel, but really consider like this is a
real thing where we make sacrifices. When we want to
go out and have sex with we can't. We want
to go out and do this, and that we can't.
It's a sacrifice. At least we have that hard to says, man,
I can't. I can't do that because I'm singing this gospel.
You see what I'm saying. It's a sacrifice. It's a
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lifestyle even when you fall short at least I'm over
here trying.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Do you feel pressure to maintain an image because you
are a man at the church, That's all I saw it.
They got a little upset with you because they saw
your wife turking, And.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh man, my wife wanted I wanted to enjoy herself.
I love every single bit of it. I'm a man's man.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The Holy Spirit. Why we think the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Can't show up in a work, Oh yeah, because that's
that's my wife, that's my significant others. The Bible says,
the marriage bed is under found. What we got going
on between us ain't none of your business. And if
I let you in on my life, give you a
little clip of something. Just enjoy I'm letting you in
all my life. I didn't have to do that. I'm
trying to show people how to live this kind of
life without losing your integrity. Just enjoy yourself. You know
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what I'm saying. Jesus said I come that you might
have life and have it more abundantly. Christians got it wrong.
He came so you can enjoy this life without going
down the whole of sin. You see what I'm saying,
And That's what he showed us. That's what he showed us.
Jesus went to the wedding, turned the water into wine.
But guess what he did when he got done doing that,
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He went to healing and fulfilling his assignment. He went
to the cross. So he's showing you balance. And so
I don't know what to say the people that got
a problem with my freedom. I know my freedom offends people,
but I can't help that. I'm living my life. When
I get done dancing, guess what I did the next
day after my birthday, went to church, to my church
and preached the gospel. When the next day and we
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had a concert, Hezekon Walker came shout out to Lily
and Lord she came. All everybody came on through. We
had We had a holy goost, good time. You know
what I'm saying. So I believe in balance. I live it,
you know. And for people to really understand me, I'm
not a religious person. I don't do all the dudes
and daunts and rules and regulations. I come from that.
I've been delivered from that. I told you my father,
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they sit you on the front row where you fall short.
You know what I'm saying, you know already repented to God,
but you gotta go in front of the whole church
and be embarrassed. I've been set free from that. So
anybody just come. If you trying to judge me through religion,
we not. You're gonna never see me worthy. I'm a
spiritual person. I walk with God every day. I prayed
before I got up and came here. What do I
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need to say? Use me? You know what I'm saying. Absolutely,
that's it, so but so so people for them to
really understand me, Just no, I'm not I'm not religious,
and I don't have a judge in bone in my body.
I may have strong opinions, but even at that, I'll
let go and I give people the grace and space
to figure it out themselves. I'm not here to judge anybody,
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you know, Uh necessary.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We say that, but we do judge, and I don't
think there's anything wrong with judging. Like I'm not condemning
a person, but I will see something in processing in
my mind on whether I agree with that or disagree
with that, or you.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Know, to judge just to come to a conclusion on somebody,
that means the end, that's it. That's what I think
about you. I'll never die.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, that's what I guess.
That's what I mean. I say, I don't condemn.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
People that may be the space that you're in right now. Like,
even though I was strong about Kanye, I believe that
he needs the grace and space to find his way
back to whatever that relationship is with God. You know,
so I'm not here. I haven't come to a conclusion
on him. I haven't come to conclusion on nobody. Because
people go through seasons of their lives.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Can you come through can you come to personal conclusions
about the person meeting? Like, No, I'm not saying that
this person is that. I'm just saying I've seen enough
for this to know this ain't what I want in
my life.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Man, I've made such a mess on my journey. I
haven't been perfect, and people will be completely wrong if
they came to a conclusion on me.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But you got to get people distanced though, I mean,
you got to distance yourself from some people because you
know they're not good for you.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I don't firmly believe that either. Man Jesus didn't con
distance himself from the lady that was called the act
of adultery. They wait, they caught that woman with her
legs up in the room having sex, doing whatever she
was doing. Lady, the Bible, you know the woman that
was Yes, yes, I don't know if it man.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I ain't never seen that scripture legs up in the Bible.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I'm giving you a painting the picture for you. The
Bible said she was caught in the act. What was
that act?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
We don't know, I do, I never do.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Was the act of sex?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I didn't know that she was caught in the act
of adultery, was in the bed with another man that
wasn't hers. They snatched her up in the act, brought
it before Jesus, and we know what she did. We
just got it out of the bed. What you got
to say about that?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
That is the most playing, hating, cock blocking thing I've
ever heard of my life. You snatch a woman out
while she's getting some actions.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
This is the Bible. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Just but why, he says, guess what Jesus did. He
didn't put He said, I'll deal with her later. Let
me deal with you the one that put her in
front of me? He said, Ye, that's without seeing cast
the first one. You know good and well, you got
your own dirt. I'm not gonna disconnect myself from her
in her low estate or when she's trying to figure
it out. It's a reason why she's dealing with what
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she's dealing with that started early in her life. Jesus
is dead to love people in whatever state they're in, period.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
But what if that is to your detriment?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
That's what I mean. I'm with you on everything.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, there's people that need help and and going through
things that I pray for them the best, but I can't.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Even help them to a point.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
But when they want your detriment, when they's somebody that's
trying to hurt you, yes, that's taking your the love
or are the things that make you happy in your
life and trying to turn it around. How do you
stay I'm gonna help that person, or I'm still gonna
show grace to that person.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
That's the price of the cross man, that's the price
of walking with Jesus. That's what Jesus did. He took
on all of our sins to the cross at the
price of people coming to conclusions on him. The people
who put him on the cross. Were people saying he's
a he's this, he's that, and that they lied on him.
It was his character was was on the on the judgment,
you know. And Cross the Bell said again.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What about the saying it ain't my cross the.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Bell, it's your Listen, if you called to help people,
you can't worry about what people think about what you're doing.
You got to go do it. That's what Jesus did.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's what if it's not mine, Cross the Bell.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
If it ain't your cross the bed, then you leave
it alone after.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
You.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
But if you're representing Jesus, you can't worry about what
people gonna think about you. You got to go in.
When everybody turning their backs on the individual, you gotta
go in.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But you go in.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But what about something that's evil? Right, that there is
no turning back, That their whole existence is evil and
no matter what you do, and no matter how you
try to help, they are the devil.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I feel I feel like saying somebody's whole existence is
evil is condemning them.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I don't believe that everybody's whole, entire existence.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
And some people that's got this full of the me too.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I'm like, where are we going is evil? What is
it are we doing in Exasus?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So if some people are full of the devil, what
do you do?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
You lead them alone? You pray for them, That's what
I would think.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
But I'm away from that.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
But for me, you just pray for that person because
obviously that ain't a job for man. That's not a
job for man. That's that's a job for God.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And Dandrick. You got a song called save.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yourself, Yes, sir, I wrote that song the Bible does
to save yourself from this untoward generation. But you gotta
love people, man, no matter what. And that's that's the
part of the job. That's the part of the job. Man.
Some people come to your church, your pastor, and people
just got off death row, just barely made it. You know,
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you gotta love them. Some people have done the worst
things ever, that's your job. Jesus belongs to everybody, and
if you're going to be a representative of Jesus, you
can't worry about what people think. You gotta always be
the one to go drawing closer to people. And if
here's the thing, if you do, against all odds, love
people through it all, and you still do what you're doing. Hey,
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that's that's on your record on Judgment.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Day, Charlamagne feels like sometimes God's uh, sometimes those those
prayers that go to God's bamfolder.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Okay, I hate when you quotes me because you be
quoting me.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
All right.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
You never heard you say I've been that. Ever hear
you say.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I'm trying to figure that out. God got jumped.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I just be saying, sometimes don't waste God's time which things?
And what I mean by that is, you know there
are certain things he has God he or she has
given you the will to figure those things out on
your your own. And I think sometimes we waste God's
time with frivolous, you know, prayers and it goes into spamfold.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I agree. Some people don't. They don't mean what they're
praying about. They don't believe what they're praying for. So
you're like, you waste the time. The Bible said when
you pray, you gotta believe what you're asking for, and
if you don't believe, it won't happen for you.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
You got the good brother D one on D one
change man, how that connection happens.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
That's my boy man. I've been knowing him for quite
some time, and I just love his mission. How he's
bold and holding the hip hop community accountable. I think
it's incredible. He's not doing it in a religious way.
He's being bold just as bold as they are. He's bold,
and I just wanted to connect with them. People like that, man,
I could. I want them on my albums all day.
I want to hear what you have to say, what
I'm saying. Hopefully I can make a record with him,
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a whole record with him.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You know, I respect d One.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
A lot of people do feel like he is very
judgment to though when it comes to, you know, other people,
for other artists.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I don't know what to say to that. I think
he's very strongly opinionated. But and he's passionate about, you know,
holding the community accountable because there are young people that
are listening to the music. So you it's easy to
say he's judgmental, you know, because he's coming so strong.
But I don't think he's judgmental. I think he's just
he's holding you. He's holding you, colmb but he's grabbing
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you at the colin. Say hey, bro, you Rick Ross,
you know what I'm saying. You know who you are?
You can see these kids. Somebody got to do it,
and so he's called to do that.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Is there differ between accountability and judgment? Is it a
thin line? Are they two totally different.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Two totally different things. Judgment is to come to conclusions
on somebody and that's it. That is all. I'm you know,
past the judgment, the verdict, everything, it's just you, that's it.
To hold accountable is to say, hey, look.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You could do better.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yo, don't try to get around it. This is it, bro,
that's I'm holding you accountable.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes makes the.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Question for you before we please. I always wanted to
know because I know names are powerful. Charlemagne, the God
tell me that piece.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Well, very good question.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up, you know, we
studied the five percent teachings, and you know, and in
the five percent teachings they teach you God is a
Greek word to ride from me and Raymond words gumar
as the ball, which means widam, script and beauty, and
the first letter of each word was used by Greek
students when they would identify with their Egyptian you know teachers,
So it was you know God, and then you know
in the five percent tas the teach you that the
black man is God.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So in a lot of ways, it was an affirmation.
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
There was a great book I read back in the
day called From Niggas to Gods, you know, by a
Kill and it was just all about evolution.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It was about getting rid of that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Nigga mindset, doing away with the nigga mindset, and evolving
to the God in you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Because you can either submit your will to.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
The higher level in you, which is the God, and
you are submit your will to the lower level in you,
which is the devil. So I just you know, that
was just something that a lot of us, and still
not a lot of us, A lot of people, you know,
still say we're God.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You say peace God. You know.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Are you addressed a black woman, you say peace queen.
You know she's a goddess.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
So it's just something to aspire to, you know, not
saying I am God, right right, you know. But if
God created man in his image according to his likeness Boom,
then I am Boom, you know, in the image and
likeness of my father, lower case G, lawer case G.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
But I have the most respect for that man. I
always wanted to know. I said, we're gonna ask you
that when I say, you absolutely, and I think that's powerful.
I think names are very powerful. What you declare your
name is what how people know you. And it's what
you declare in the earth. So if you said, Charlmagne
the God, you said, you know I'm a child of
God or you know the God in me? I think
that's a powerful thing. Everybody say, what's your government?
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I appreciate you for joining us? This sak what record?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
You want to hear?
Speaker 5 (44:03):
The album?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Oh? Man, play them all play one night in California.
That's the title cut.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well, hold on, I have two more questions. Oh yeah,
you know. I think this is a good question.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know, because the perception of a pastor is that
everything they do is for God and not for financial gain.
So a lot of people would say, you know, why
would you do the reality TV show Preachers of l It.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
It came about when I was at the lower state
of in my ministry, went through the worst season of
my life. I had again, I divorced, and then I
had met my wife. Within three months within that divorce process,
we started having sex. We had my first child, Destined.
She's twelve now I got a call from a great preacher.
He's deceased now rest in peace, Zachary Thames. Out of
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the blue when I went to La and he said, Dietrich,
I felt lad to call you. Man, what's going on
with you? I started crying on the phone, like, Man,
I would have messed up real bad. Once the folks
here what I've done. I'll never be able to inspire
people again, and I'll never be able to get up
and sing or preach because they're not going to believe
in me because I you know, you know. Anyway, I
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was on the phone with him, man, and then the
idea came about. I said, man, why don't we just
we need a reality show for preachers like us that
make mistakes, Like you can't expect to live eighty to
two hundred years on the planet Earth and not make
mistakes even though you're a preacher. We trying our best.
Well I fell short. I think people need to see
not just hear about what Dietrich did, but see Dietrich
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come through it. How I get back to where I
need to be. And that's how Preachers of La came about.
I created that show, gave it to Holly Carter shout
out to Holly Carter, Lemmy Plumber and we did it, man,
and it changed the It shifted culture in the church
where preachers had to now become more trans become more transparent.
And now they're seeing that there's ministry in transparency. Now
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the preachers are dressing down and saying I need Jesus too.
Before then, wasn't nobody saying that. They were saying, you
need Jesus and you need to get it right. Now
that members are saying, okay, Pastor Dietrich is letting us
in on his life. Bishop Noah Jones was one of
the greatest preachers of all times, philosophers. He's letting you
us in on his life. What's up with you, Pastor?
They're looking at you. So now the pastor, okay, let
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me Now, I got to let people in just a
little bit on who I really am. Don't just preach
at me and throw Jesus at me. Let me know
who you are, pastor. And so that's the wonderful thing
about Preachers.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of LA and the show. The show's coming back, right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
We did a reunion show. They're calling for it back.
Their networks trying to see you know, that was a
tough season for all of us, a lot of you know,
it affected us all differently. Some churches kind of fell off,
you know, because people it's you know, it never was
never done before.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
So how would it's time to be different? Being at
your mindset is different, You're in a different space.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Oh you can handle it now. Now you've stepped back,
spent ten years ago. You can you take a look
at what worked, what didn't work is easy now it's
easy work. So I think I think it's incredible. I
think it needs to come back. Shows like that need
to come back to help the church now process what's
going on in our world.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
How do you feel about megachurches? Do you feel like
they help or her?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I was just talking about that. I'm not a big
fan of megachurches. I got a lot of people to
follow me my church, my in person church is not
that large, but people my online church is massive. I
just think the more people, the more blood on your
hands if you fall short and if you make people
turn away from God because of your shortcomings.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
But it doesn't start off as a megachurch. It start
off a small church and it just continues to grow
and grow and.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Well that's where you delegate.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Other stop, do you slow down because people want to
hear you speak just like yourself. I'm sure your church
could be decided, your congregation could be huge.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know, you gotta delegate because each soul is important
to God, Each individual is very important to God. And
so it's bigger than just saying I got a big church.
I got thirty thousand. That only mean nothing to me.
I've seen the thirty thousand church go down to nothing,
literally nothing. I was there seeing the people coming in
and droves thirty thousand people. Now it's nothing. The pastor's
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not even married anymore, So none of that moves me anymore.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, we kind of just saw that with hisill song too.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
The mega church is old. It's too much hype. You
gotta get back down the old school church. Where church
is like a family, where you your pastor knew you.
The pastor knows your family. They know you, they know
you when you come in there, you know, to bury
you your family and to marry you, they know you.
That's the way I was raised and that's the way
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I like my church, my Hill City church. Have you
ever come to Los Angeles? It's a family it's growing,
but when it gets too big, I'm gonna turn it. Delegates. Hey, y'all,
go over there to Pastor Guy Reeves. He's one of
my associate pastors. Go to Pastor Guy Reeves, and and
and keep doing that because even remember when Moses father
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in law told them, man, you got too many children.
That is how you're gonna handle this. All these people,
these people need care, personal care. You need to delegate.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
It can't be all about you. You need help. You
can't even handle all these souls. And think about it,
The Bible says, the souls, the blood of those people
are gonna be on your hands. The more people you get,
the more responsibility to whom much is given, much is required.
You think you want a big church, No you don't.
You want the people that are called to you that
you can really help through life, life's issues. You want them.
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You want like Jesus, even Jesus. The crowds followed him,
but he had twelve you know what I'm saying, to
help them, and they were work. Peter wanted to cut
and cuts people out. The first chance he got. He
was pastoring them. You see what I'm saying. So where
are the pastors who really care for the people. It's
not about having a big church who cares. I'm not
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impressed people come to me and say, dt, I got
this many people, and that don't mean nothing to me.
I'll be while they're talking like this, brother, that blood
is on your hands. That's what I'm thinking. You better
figure out a way to really paster those people. And
that's what you need to be figuring out. Are any
telling me how many people you got?
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Ye? Are any mega churches doing it right? Because I mean,
based off what you said, Potterhouse comes to mind immediately,
because they do delegate a lot of different pastoral duties
to a lot of different pastors.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I think mister Jenks is doing it right. I still
think that, you know, I'm not. I don't know how
people have their ministries organized, So I don't want to
say that all ministries are like that, but uh, you know,
you got to you gotta delegate, and you gotta oversee
these people. You gotta shepherd these people. You have to
love these people, you have to care for these people,
and you can't do it when you have so many people.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Yeah, and I'm not coming to a megachurch for I
mean I'm not. I don't want to go to church
for a presentation. I want to I don't want a connection.
I want to feel like you have a go to
church and you know your your pastor feel like you're
talking to you.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Love that, that intimate that that because I still go
to the same church that I was born in, like,
will never not stop going there, you know. But I
know I have a relationship with the bishop and his family,
you know what I mean. I know my first lady,
I know her kids, like they know how to cover
me when I'm on the road. And because I have
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a lot of I'm a standing comedian, I meet a
lot of people, you know, I do meet and Greece
and stuff like that. So a lot of that energy
is contagious and a lot of it is draining.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
You don't want it on you.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
I just don't feel right sitting in a megachurch where
it's more of a presentation. It's like I don't feel
that spiritual food. I'm not being fed there.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I think a lot of people fled to megachurches because
of church hurt. Also because when you deal with family churches,
you deal with stuff just like you do in the family.
So a lot of people fled a lot of small
churches back in the day to retreat to just big churches.
The lights are turned down. They could just hide in
there and get their word and go. But you still
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need somebody to hold you accountable, to look out for
your soul. And I don't think that's the solution hiding
in a dark room like you at the movie theater.
You know what I'm saying. No, you need a church,
You need a pastor. You need to find the right one, though,
because there's bad leadership everywhere. You know what I'm saying,
it's bad people everywhere. You've got to find the pastor
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that's after God's heart for you and your family, and
they're there. Like my father, he's been don't He ain't
trying to go viral. He's eighty five years old. He's
been pastor since I was born, loving people, just doing
what it's called to do, through ups and downs, not
trying to be a star. He's just and he's got
old doing it. So I know that they're great leaders
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out there that will love your family, and so you
just got to search for them in your city.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Right well, Dietrick, we appreciate you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
One night in California's out right.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Now, that's right, and it's the Breakfast Clo.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
The brother got to end us with a prayer. What
as you're doing?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Come on then, Father, we thank you for the Breakfast
Club and what they mean to the culture. God continued
to elevate them, continue to bless them, give them the wisdom,
the strength, and the fortitude to continue to do what
you call them to do. Continue to give them the
heart to open up doors for people that are called
to speak for you. On your behalf, I give you
praise for them. Bless their families, Bless everything they put
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their hearts to do. Just touch them, God, and just
continue to do what you're doing for them and Jesus
name I pray. Amen.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Amen, man, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
The Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Morning, everybody, it's the j Envy Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest
in the building. Indeed, his new album is out right now.
One night in California, Ladies and gentlemen, Dietrich had him.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Says, blessings and favor y'all. Good to see y'all. How
are you feeling today? Hey, man, I'm a big fan
of the show, big fan of yours. Charlemagne the God,
jes big fan. Good to be here, man, Blessed to
be alive and well.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Happy to have you my brother.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Tell us about the sight of one night in California,
because you know it sounds sexual. And when you hit
from Jesus, you hit that from a godful artist, you're like, whoa.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
No, No, it's all about man. The night I had
to reaffirm and reconfirm my yes to my calling and
my yes to God, and my yes to my faith
in God. And that's.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
In California. Huh, I said, what happened in California.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
They had a moment where I just I had to really,
you know, make a decision whether I wanted to continue
to sing gospel music and represent God in that way,
you know, because I was so traumatized by by what
I had gone through. I went through a divorce, and
you know, and before the divorce process was over, I
met my beautiful wife that I loved dearly. Shout out
to Dominique, what's up? And we had a baby out
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of wed locking. For the church, that's a no no.
First of all, the divorce, then you got a baby
out of wedlock. And once the message the fan is like,
you know this guy, this is the this is the
well done, this is mister Sinner's prayer, this is the
guy he's able to sing all these big hit songs
in gospel music. And so I had a season in
my life, man, where I just had to really really
realign myself to my calling. And it happens, man, it
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happens to everybody, not just me, It happens to everybody.
You're gonna have to continue to say yes to the
calling that's upon your life, because life be lifing.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Do you put a lot of or do people in
general put a lot of pressure on theyself trying to
follow every single thing that the Bible tells you because
there's so many things the Bible tells us not to
do and we all fall short.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, the Bible does talk about the straight and narrow,
and that's not easy to do when life is giving
you twisting turns and pitfalls and potholes, and on the journey,
you can get out of alignment with your assignment. So
you're gonna unfortunately, well fortunately, you're gonna have to continue
to say yes to whatever your divine assignment is. Whether
you're a pastor, whether you're a great announcer, great breakfast club.
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You're assigned to this, You're gonna have to continue to
say yes to it because you know, there gonna be
times when you say, man, I don't know if I
want to do this? Is this for me? You know,
it comes with the journey. But that's the beauty of it,
because that's what ministry is. That's what being fulfilling your
calling is. It's blessing others. Why you're bleeding yourself.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Now, it's helping. Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, Now
you're from Detroit, right, d What up Doe?
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What up dough?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
So when it comes to when it came to gospel music,
how did you get into gospel music.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh. I started professionally when I was sixteen years old.
I was a minister to my church choir when I
was thirteen. So I was just gifted early and started
pursuing gospel. The gospel industry early is sixteen years old.
So I've been in there for quite some time now.
It's about thirty plus years. I've been doing it, and
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
So you did it before?
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It was well?
Speaker 7 (03:15):
Oh come on, jes Well, you know I still got
two favorite songs, amen, because look I was a little
dancer back in my day, and I actually I danced
to that song at different churches.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
Amen. And then never Let You Go. That is a
prophesying song.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh my god, you know just oh listen, she she holds,
she's sanctified, she's churchy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:36):
So yeah, your new album on one night in California,
I didn't think of anything sexual when I heard it.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Thank You.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
You got a different you got.
Speaker 7 (03:45):
Like different feels in it, like hip hop or reggae.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
You know, like R and B.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
Like was that intentional because it's kind of like a
gospel mixtape.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Absolutely, And that's the way I approached it. I started
just by approaching it that way. I just wanted to
just It was a song called I Want My Respect, right,
I had just I was just on YouTube like we
all do, and see what people got to say about you.
And I just seen the slow people just running me
down because you know, I had my birthday fiftieth birthday celebration.
I was dancing and whatever, and people they judge you
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like crazy. So I went in the studio. It's very
therapeutic for me when I make music, So I just
went in there and said I want my respect, and
that was my hook on the song. And so from
that song, it birthed all these other songs. So it's
kind of a mixtape. It's amazing that you really check
that out. So yeah, man, it was really This album
is really a heat check and kind of like a
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mixtape because I'm saying things that I normally wouldn't say
on one of my albums, one of most of my albums.
You know, I'm singing up in the clouds, God give
God to give you glory, are you amazing? Or we
worship you? On this one, I'm talking from my heart.
I'm sharing what I feel. And that's the thing about
a lot of gospel artists. We don't a lot of
people don't know how to connect to us because we
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don't really share what's on our hearts. You know, think
about hip hop. That's all the rappers. They share what's
on their heart. That's what I love about this beef.
You hear what Kendrick got to say to Drake, so
you know, you know what's on his mind. You don't
know what's on these gospel artist's mind.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, it's all glory to God, but it's not
like a personal touch to it exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And you got to have that personal touch because God
uses human beings to get his work done on earth.
So it's all right to share your testimony and share
what's on your heart. I'm not saying to create a
gospel beef and do a mixed you know, a beef.
You know, I ain't saying to do that, but I mean, like,
let people know how you feel. So when they hear
me say I want my respect, they're like, what, we
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don't want to hear that. We want you to sing
about Jesus. Okay, he's so way you can sing about
Jesus and share your heart because you have to live
the journey while you're singing about Jesus. You got to
live this thing out.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's never got a gospel beef though, right, there's never
been a two gospel art that's going back and forth.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Let me take my crazy. It's been beefs, but we
ain't put it on no song. Gospel artists beef though,
like the human white.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Aliens.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
And I know, but I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, listen, we don't put it. We're not crazy enough
to put it in the song. But it's a whole
lot of stuff that goes on in our industry, and
we're sworn to secrecy because we got to live.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
We have.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You know, it's a cold we're spreading the gospel.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
But without saying names like what, like what would a
beef be flip a table?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
You'd be surprised what happened between two artists in our
community that you never know.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You gotta give you something.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
We're doing a lot of stuff. We're human, we sleep with,
sleeping with each other's wives. We're doing all kinds of stuff.
It's all kinds of human. We're human being.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
Love that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I didn't let me take that. I don't do that.
But because I believe there's a standard there's a cold.
But see, that's the thing about the gospel singing, the
gospel community. You can easily mask what you're doing by
saying Jesus Jesus and not have integrity and character behind
closed doors. So it makes it easy for you to
do a lot, a whole lot of dirt. So it's
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more dirt in that community than it is in the
secular community. And I don't want people to don't come
down on me about that. I'm just telling you the truth.
I've lived it, I've been I'm an authority in this.
I've been here for thirty years. I could tell the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
One off is more of it is just amplified because
it is the gospel community. And people think these things
shouldn't happen in the gospel.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Community, right, I think is amplified, and it's happening. It's
happening because it's easy to pull the wool over people's
comor over people's eyes, rather by saying Jesus Jesus, quoting
scriptures and we're supposed to forgive, we're supposed to love
and do your dirt behind closed doors. That's why the
scripture talks about wolves in sheep's clothing Now, I don't
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want to paint the picture that the gospel community is
full of dirt, you know, because most people are in
the gospel music, we're trying. That's that's what it's about.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You're trying to fulfill a divine assignment while you're being human.
And when that human when when the human side comes in,
it kicks in. Whether you're a preacher, whether you're a
gospel singer, it kicks in. And you just have to
again back to my song one out of California. You
have to realign yourself. You gotta repent, You got to
get back on track. You gotta take responsibility for your
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what your piece of the problem, and keep going. And
that's the beauty of the gospel.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So when it comes to the gospel, is the gospel
music is it a sound.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Or a language.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's a message and it's a sound, and it's not
one thing about the community. We we like to be
stuck in a particular sound.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
You try, He's.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Hall, it makes you, It reaches the soul. And so
the problem is we're stuck there while God is trying
to move us to the future to connect with the
next generation. And so the warfare is they judge people
to try to go and reach people outside of the.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Have you tried Jesus?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You know why you can't say have you tried?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Mine?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Jeans jeans all riot and so they say you you
trying to be like the world. No, I'm connected. This
is the sound of this day.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
You can tell me married j Oblige. My life is
not a gospel song. That's a gospel gospel.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
When I went to the concept to have my hands right, okay,
charge is hilarious.
Speaker 7 (09:41):
Well, even with that being said, do you feel like
you have to fully give your life to the Lord
to make gospel music?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
I believe that singing the gospel, of preaching the gospel
is a divine calling. It's a divine assignment. Is more
than just a career choice. It's what you are called
to do, right and so you and yes, there are
sacrifices and requirements to represent god fully where people can
look in your eyes and see the truth and hear
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what you're saying and know that you're speaking truth and
so uh. And if you're fake about it, it's gonna
come off fake. If you real about it, what's real
reaches real people.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
You just quoted DG. Yola and that's another gospel record.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
D G.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yola ain't gonna let up because on that song he says,
you lift fake, you die fake. And he says that
after saying get yourself together, go get your brain a bath,
go to church, start listening, get on the right path.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Now who is that I need to listen?
Speaker 7 (10:38):
D G.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yola ain't gonna let up.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Is he a pastor?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
No, he's a he's a rapper from Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I mean the record is is old, but it's just
I always felt like that was a gospel record.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
So that's what I'm saying, Uh, Dietrich, I'm saying, like,
because there are artists who are not preachers and pastors
and bishops who they'll they'll put out gospel music. You know,
they'll put out music and they'll call it gospel. Like,
how do you feel about that?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
What is your opinion?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, let everything to have breath, praise the Lord. Everybody
have the responsibility to give God praise. I'm not here
to judge. I can't say you're not worthy to sing
the gospel. That's crazy. You know, everybody should be giving
God praise. I expect every R and B artist, hip
hop artist to do some kind of offering to the
Lord when it comes to music on their albums. So uh,
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you'd be surprised, who know the Lord. That was just
at the Jogi'sy concert the House of Blues. Took my
wife there in California. But watch this, watch this, watch this,
watch this Casey told his testimony shook the whole room.
It went from just everybody just partying to a whole
like a church church service, because he talked about you know,
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he had a stroke and it was gone. And I
talked to him afterwards. I said, man, you you just
did what most preachers and prophets cannot do. Stay on
this path, keep doing what you're doing. He had Yeah, Yeah,
he tell and he looks good man, you know, singing
like crazy. He got it back like KC. He's one
of my vocal heroes because you know, he comes from
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the church, got that quartent sound and I just love it.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I think that's what's missing missing from a lot
of gospel music.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
As you just said, the testimonies.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
I feel like, you know, when you go through things
in life, if you have a platform, you're supposed to
share those things, whether it's comedy or whether it's radio,
whether it's music, whatever it is, or whether it's just
giving a speech, you should you should share those testimonies.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Man, A lot of a lot of artists are really
prophets and people that are signed to the earth to
put great to God's message to the world. Even though
that's not saying I'm a prophet. I go to church
every day and all that. There are people that are
called by God to do what they're doing, to send
love in the atmosphere, to send strength in the atmosphere,
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to make people laugh. That's a gift from God. Every
good and perfect gifts comes from the Lord. It's men,
the wicked hearts of men that perverts it. Now, those
gifts come from God. I was gonna ask.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
So when you speak about those gifts, you also write
for artists that are not gospel artists?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Absolutely?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Do you ever feel a way like no, I can
only write for gospel artists.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
You read and root for us. You don't wrote for
various artists. So how do you do when you're writing
those records for people?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Man?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I can write a love song better than probably anybody
that wrote it, because when you talk about God is love,
God is love. I wrote a song I wrote three
songs shout out to Zaetoven and Usher Russia's my brother
my brothers, and they let me write on that usher
A album. I think I did say what you wanted,
three songs on there, and they couldn't believe I was
in there, all the young casts in You're writing this
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is that. I was like, man, hey, this is our gift.
Were flowing in our gift. This is how we make money.
You know what I'm saying. Then you ask me how
do I live what I do when I go home,
I'm not trying to go out and do letting crazy.
I got my wife, I got my purpose. I'm trying
to build legacy. And then when it's time to write,
the opportunity again, I'm going to write you want me
to come sing at the where I mean? Can I
inspire people in that space I'm coming?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
When you write for others, and do you try to
use them as a vehicle to get your message out
or do you get into their world and write from
their perspective? Because I wonder how people would feel about that.
They say, oh, you're writing secular music.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
No, I can't be concerned about how people feel about
how I use my gift or how God wants me
to use my gift. I like to get into the
heart and mind of the artists and see where they
are and try to help relay their message. And so
that's it. Just you try to express what they're trying
to express. You know. I can't come in there talk
about you need to say, jeu, make a gospel song. No, no,
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If that's what you want to do, I help you
do that. If you want to talk about love, there's
some songs that they may want to do. Then that's
not really my thing. So I give it over to
my partner that can write, and that's what he kill it.
And I come in and bring the melody, you know.
And so that's my strength, melodies and love songs, you know.
So I stay in my lane so I can be successful.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
And you a PK? Right?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Oh yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Were you a straight and narrow PK or did you
have your your wild ways?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
If I say they was straightened the.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wildest.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
They say the p ks are the worst kids, man,
were the ones have to deal with the most pressure.
You gotta be saved and holy before you really holy.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You gotta be the perfect example of truth. You know
among your peers before you really know what that means.
You know what I'm saying. So it's it's rough shout
out to all the p k's. I'm representing all y'all
were standing up.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Did your did your father your father's Bishop Clarence be
Hadding Senior, right, Yes, sir, did he? Did he give
you grace when you did fall short? Or did he
demand you rise to that level of being?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I come here, Yeah, I come from the old school church. Doctor.
If you seeing you going to the front row and
they gonna they're gonna let you see so you won't
do it again. They had a good heart, good intentions,
but that wasn't no way to do it. And then
that's why I don't do that. At my church in California.
People fall short, they repent of their sins, you know,
whoever they offended or you know, they got to answer
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to them or repent to them. And then you keep
going because we all fall short and come short of
the glory of God. Nobody's perfect. The Bible says the
scripture this is a deep scripture. He said, if a
man says he has no sin, he is a liar.
And the truth is not in them, because they're sining
in all of us. Because the Bible says, in this
flesh worketh no good thing. And that's where the Holy
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Spirit comes into play. It's very important to have the
Holy Spirit's gonna help you navigate through all this stuff
that the flesh wants to do.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You started preaching, OK, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Oh you were one said that you was called to
preach at the age of ten.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, that is young.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Like how was that experience?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Like how what do you mean like you were called? Like,
describe that experience if you can.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I literally heard the voice of God speak to me
and tell me, Dietrich, you're gonna sing and preach the gospel.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Sure that wasn't Bishop Clarence.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
It could have been his voice. But why, I says,
I was by myself in my room. Guess what. I
went straight to my mother's room and told her just
what I just heard. She put me right up. That
next Sunday, you said, you called the preacher, got me
a robe in the Bible and put me up.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You remember the first serve.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Listen, I lost everything, my trainer, thought and everything in
front of a whole crowd of people.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I read my scripture, sang my song. Then I just
lost my because I looked at my friends about Yeah,
I was ten years old. That's too much pressure, you know.
But from that point on, I've never had a loss
for words, you know, because I said, I ain't gonna
never let them laugh at me again. I learned every
Bible verse, every scripture, so I could never be laughed
at again.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Wow, I saw in the song my respect you say
I bought a new sound in gospel music. I paved
the way I did it way back in the day.
And you know, twenty years later you still hear and
you say you got to give credit with credits due.
Do you feel like you still don't get the credit
for paving the way of a new sound in gospel music.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I think there are opportunities for people to acknowledge my
part in it that they where they deliberately keep it
out of there because people it's such a small genre,
so people are holding onto their piece of the pie,
you know what I'm saying. They think by ignoring you
or trying to omit your part will help them maintain
what they have. And I don't think that's good at
all for gospel music. I think it's important for all
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of us to respect all of our contributions to gospel music,
you know. And I'm not I'm not. I'm just saying, hey, look,
I earned my stripes. I've been thirty years plus in
this business. You know. I'm I got my battle scars
for I've paid my dues in the gospel industry, you know,
And a lot of times people tend to look at the
few people when you think about gospel music, you think of,
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what's the first few names that come to your mind.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Kirk Franklin, Boom Franklin, Gina.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Bell, Bell, I'm thinking about my God, God, God.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
My God.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay, gotch no no, no, no disrespect to Gina Bell.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
But honestly, Kirk Franklin, Marry Mary Boom. So that's probably.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But there's I want to tell everybody there's a whole
slew of incredible gospel artists, and I want to motivate
y'all to look into them, to.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Them well in the God music.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So yeah, she knew my songs that I just know,
so I can tell she's into the industry. She knows
the music.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Who are yours?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Yes, well, my first like my time five? Yeah, Okay,
so we have Yolanda Adams do. I do like Hezekya Walker,
like the greatest, Fred Hammon, Dietrich heading and I grew
up on Dietrich Headen and.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Uh Tie Tribute. Those were my two favorites.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Of course.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Then you go to women and C. C. Wine and
bbe One, you know all of them. But yeah, I
like the men. The men prophesied you not no discredit
and to the women. But you know, like when you
want to really feel, like when you're going through something,
you can play a song.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
You can cry through the song. That's different.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
That's your Fred Hammond's, that's your Dietricks, those are your
you know, like, that's what I like.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She has the perfect balance of righteous and ratchets. It's crazy,
crazy and sexy read and glow Reller like. She is
the perfect balance. She loved music.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I love it too, man. I listened to it all.
I listened to it all. It's incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Now there was a past of that. I told a
woman to hush during during worship.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Henderson, man, what do you mean respect?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Respect?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
And you was you was kind of upset about that.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I wasn't upset. I just had a perspective. I got them.
I got the utmost respect for Pastor key On Henderson.
I don't want him feel like Dietrick is out for him,
you know, but uh, I just don't agree with how
he handled that matter. You know. I think that you
have to keep in mind that's one of your sheep.
You're the shepherd, and you're responsible to cover her. And
if she's crying, it means she's hurting. And if she
if you, and also could mean that you're you said
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something that impacted her. And if people can't holler in church,
what can they holler? Sometimes that's all that's the only
thing they could do is to get to church and
just let it out. You know, you'd be surprised what
people are going through through the week. So me personally,
this Dietrich, if you come to my church, you can
holler from the point that you get walked through the
door to the end. Because I understand people need God,
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they need help, and they need a place where they
can release. And I've been in church all my life,
talked about my dad, Biship Hadden. I just never seen
me personally, I've never seen any pastor hush a woman
up like that. It's a new day, so it's a
new so, but I'm old school when it comes to that.
I'm I'm a young man, but I got old school
principles when it comes to church, Like the church belong
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to dance people. That's where people supposed to praise, that's
where they're supposed to cry. When the Holy Spirit moves
on them, you hold back. It's not about you, it's
about God moving for the people.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Now, let's play. Let's play.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't want to say Devil's advocate, my boy, God,
don't don't because fatter Keon said that this wasn't an
isolated incident, and I don't know. I'm not saying that
this is what happened if you in church. I'm just
using a scenario you in church, and it's a person
that comes to church all the time and they always
they go live while they're in there, and they cut up.
I mean they cut up. I mean they act like
they got the Holy break, dancing on the floor. I
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mean they're just going crazy every service, and they kind
of being disruptive. Would you be like, all right, sister,
all right.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Brother, No, I will never hush them because I understand
they may have a husband, son, daughter, family and they're
coming after you after church's services. If you hunch my
mother up, I dare yeah, how much I sing the gospel,
I'm coming after you. So you got to use wisdom
right there. Especially, I come from a deep the hood.
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Our church was in the hood. We had six crack
houses on the block, and the neighborhood would come to
our church. So you can never do anything like that
where you disrespect somebody's auntie mother. It's a rap. If
you do that, you may get shot after church after
you done hollered the preaching save somebody else. You done
lost your life over disrespecting somebody. So I just don't
agree with that. Now, if you know that person is
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dealing with that issue, you're the shepherd. You know that
they've been there, it's not the first time issue. So
you handle them with care because you know that they
have some maybe mental issues maybe, So you tell your
deacons armor bird say go tell them, you know, go
do that. You know what I'm saying, But you never
do that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
You don't have a conversation privately or.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
A man I was. I was in contact him with
him sometime in the past. But I don't I don't
you know, I'm I don't force relationships at all.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
And something and to your scenario that you just gave Charlemagne. Sometimes,
like you, it's other people in place for that. You
got uh ushers, you got overseers, you got deacons, like
prayer warriors will go in try to calm that, try
to calm that person down, still not shushing them, but
covering them and prayer. You know, if somebody falling out
on the floor, okay, they'll go get something to cover.
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If it's a woman, gets something to cover her, pray
her start, you know, really really prophesying and you know,
ministering to her to like kind of calming down. If
it is just an act, there is no shush because
my church in the hood too, you And he's right
about everything he said, like we have my church, and
then we have a church right next to us, and
then like houses across the street that are vacant, you know,
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gas station, hood marks like stuff like that. So you
just never shu because you how can you tell when
somebody is not being serious. Everybody don't have the spirit
of speaking in tongues. Everybody don't know. Sometimes all you
can do is just how to hug yourself, run around
the church.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
It's all about how the spirit moves you. So you
don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I say, you just let it be, let it, let it,
let him go until they calm down. You know, you're
there so people can get their breakthrough. That's why you
are preaching, you know, that's why you're sharing the gospel
so they can get that moment, have that moment of release.
So I would leave that alone. So that's how I
would have handled it. You know, every two each his own.
Every man governs their house differently, so you know, however
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he wanted to do it, that's how he did it.
But people asked me, dit, what would you do? I
told him, you know, I'm very vocal about it, and
that's whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You got the blue rag around your neck?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
No, no, it's a style, you know. I love I
love style. Man.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, yeah, all right. Now, we had Charlie Wilson on
the show If Charlie Wilson, the Legend, the icon, and
he was kind of critical of art and be artists
who make gospel music, oh, you know, just to get
radio play or use the format to get a hit song.
If I remember correctly, he said that that's what people
do when.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Nothing's working for them. Oh and the other genres of music.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's the truth, man. I wish I could say differently.
And I'm a fan of a lot of artists, man,
A fan of you know. I love artists, whether it
be actors, whether it be Will Smith doing his gospel song,
I'm a big fan of his, whether it be Kanye
I'm a big fan of his previous work as a producer.
I respect him highly. But that seems like that's the
trend now where people when they're kind of falling off,
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they look to God, they look to the church, and
they go because they can easily get a number one
among church folk. Because church folk, we're just so glad
you done came in here. Just give Will Smith ahead,
Kanye left, and we give him number one. They overwrite
anybody else that's been in the gospel industry. We give
you all the number ones. I got a problem with
that piece this, that little piece right there. But I
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don't have a problem with them making their gospel songs.
But but there's something there. Those of us that are
in it, we live it, We live, eat breathe this.
It's like hip hop. There are people that live, eat
breathe hip hop. We live, eat breathe this gospel, and
so when you come in, we expect you. When you
do that, we're like, okay, you coming in, brother, you're
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coming in. You're gonna help us build this thing. We
go on to the next level. Then you go, you
get your number one, You back with people loving you again,
and where you at what we thought you was? Now
you're doing what you're doing.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You got your wife walk around naked but naked we
thought you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Was mister Sunday Service number one album number one. You
got your number one?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Are you gone?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
But could it be like that?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That's how he felt in that moment, like when he
created like, for instance, we can go even further back
with Jesus Walks right.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
When he did Jesus Walks, that's the gospel record right,
yeah to me.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
When he did that, that was when when he put
that out, people were like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Right?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
And it was on the gospel charts and hip hop charts,
so it opened up.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
A world of people, Oh, Jess Walks into the gospel charts.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Uh huh, I think it did.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I think they were playing it like crazy tis everywhere
And even when he did his Sunday Service, a lot
of people came out there for worship that usually or
maybe wouldn't go to churches often.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
What message are you sending now because you ain't doing
Sunday service no more, You ain't singing no gospel music
no more. Now you cussing and acting like you ain't
never never knew Jesus.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
But then we could talk about pastors and preachers that
that that have been preaching and now what they doing
Now they're they're fake prophesied and they're cheating, they're doing
something like that.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
So it's kind of the same.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Everybody gonna have a give an account for what they're doing, correct,
because at the end of the day, that judgment day
is coming for all of us. I'm not here to
judge nobody. I'm just telling you what I don't like
to see because I live this gospel. Because we see
Snoop doing Snoop did the gospel, and I'm a big
Snoop fan.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yes you got a Grammy for it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
What I just what I like about Snoop. Though Snoop
went and got the artist in the genre and put
it on the album, it wasn't just about Snoop. He
brought Rance Allen, who was like the greatest male vocals
of all the time who never really got his respect.
He gave He got a number one song with Ran Salin.
So we look at that. As gospel artists, we like
man Snoop is really about that. He's in it. He
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loves gospel music. He may not have the conviction, maybe
have some weaknesses and things like that, but we know
he loves gospel music because we've seen who he pulled together.
You got the artist, not just the big names that
everybody always go to. You went and got the artists.
So you love the genre, you love the community. But
other ones, I don't see what's going on. I don't
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see you. You still doing you trying to? I don't know.
I'm not here to judge, you know what.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It sounds like a little bit, you know how when
the country artists be like, don't do no country records.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Like you you stay in your arm b but like.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
No, if I want to try country because country is
in my heart and this is how I'm feeling right now,
you should.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Be able to express yourself in that way.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I feel like bigger than a genre of music for y'all, though,
I think in a way it's like I guess that's
the way, stop stop playing with God.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, boom boom, you said something about country music. That's
what I love about country music. I think Beyonce deserves
to do any country song. She's from Texas. She lived
that life, you see what I'm saying, So she can
do that. But I like the fact that they have
some guardrails up where you gotta come through somebody to
just you ain't gonna just make a country song. You
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gotta They make you work for it.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
They gonna box you out right gospel music.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
You just anybody can wake up tomorrow and say I
want to sing gospel because I'm falling off and I
want to do I want to get that number one.
I know the community gonna support me. Then they get
that number one, then they're gone. Where are the guard rails?
Where are the people to say, no, man, you what
you're doing. You gotta live this thing. Bro, you can
do your gospel song, but don't play with us. Don't
play with God. Where the people at? Where the leaders at?
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You see what I'm saying That gatekeepers, I mean leaders
in hip hop. You can't just up and just if
you ain't really about that life. Man, they don't take
That's what Kendrick said, no, you Drake, you are you
really about this?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It's like, man, it's guardrails bro you you you Doe
came in and you did what you did. But that's
enough if you go if you're gonna be about it,
you gotta really be about it. That's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Somebody could say that about preachers and pastors and people
in the church too, right.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
We talk about if you're gonna be about it, you
be about it.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
But they will hear preachers and pastors and deacons that
people look up too because they're in the church. They
read the Bible, they take the classes. They are more
you think, tied into quote unquote regular people. But then
when you see them doing some foul, it's it's the
same feeling.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
The same feeling.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You know, you gotta you gotta hold people accountable. I'm
not here to cover nobody that. If you're doing wrong,
you somebody gotta hold you accountable.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But yeah, back to the music, It's like, yeah, man,
we want we want people to really because it's people
that's really sacrificing. Man, to stay in this. I've turned
down at least five secular record deals on my journey
because it's a calling. You know what I'm saying. I
signed a deal with Erasion. It was done when I
was a kid. I walked away from it because this
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is a calling. And now to see you just come
in and just do what you want to do and
then walk away and just don't it don't sit right
in in my heart or anybody else's heart who've been
living this thing. Sacrifice. We can make money just like
anybody else. I'm not singing gospel because I couldn't make
it anywhere else. I'm doing it because this is what
this is me since I was a kid. This is
my assignment on earth. You got to understand that when
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you decide to and I'm not telling anybody not to
do this gospel, but really consider like this is a
real thing where we make sacrifices. When we want to
go out and have sex with we can't. We want
to go out and do this, and that we can't.
It's a sacrifice. At least we have that hard to says, man,
I can't. I can't do that because I'm singing this gospel.
You see what I'm saying. It's a sacrifice. It's a
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lifestyle even when you fall short at least I'm over
here trying.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Do you feel pressure to maintain an image because you
are a man at the church, That's all I saw it.
They got a little upset with you because they saw
your wife turking, And.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Oh man, my wife wanted I wanted to enjoy herself.
I love every single bit of it. I'm a man's man.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
The Holy Spirit. Why we think the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Can't show up in a work, Oh yeah, because that's
that's my wife, that's my significant others. The Bible says,
the marriage bed is under found. What we got going
on between us ain't none of your business. And if
I let you in on my life, give you a
little clip of something. Just enjoy I'm letting you in
all my life. I didn't have to do that. I'm
trying to show people how to live this kind of
life without losing your integrity. Just enjoy yourself. You know
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what I'm saying. Jesus said I come that you might
have life and have it more abundantly. Christians got it wrong.
He came so you can enjoy this life without going
down the whole of sin. You see what I'm saying,
And That's what he showed us. That's what he showed us.
Jesus went to the wedding, turned the water into wine.
But guess what he did when he got done doing that,
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He went to healing and fulfilling his assignment. He went
to the cross. So he's showing you balance. And so
I don't know what to say the people that got
a problem with my freedom. I know my freedom offends people,
but I can't help that. I'm living my life. When
I get done dancing, guess what I did the next
day after my birthday, went to church, to my church
and preached the gospel. When the next day and we
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had a concert, Hezekon Walker came shout out to Lily
and Lord she came. All everybody came on through. We
had We had a holy goost, good time. You know
what I'm saying. So I believe in balance. I live it,
you know. And for people to really understand me, I'm
not a religious person. I don't do all the dudes
and daunts and rules and regulations. I come from that.
I've been delivered from that. I told you my father,
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they sit you on the front row where you fall short.
You know what I'm saying, you know already repented to God,
but you gotta go in front of the whole church
and be embarrassed. I've been set free from that. So
anybody just come. If you trying to judge me through religion,
we not. You're gonna never see me worthy. I'm a
spiritual person. I walk with God every day. I prayed
before I got up and came here. What do I
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need to say? Use me? You know what I'm saying. Absolutely,
that's it, so but so so people for them to
really understand me, Just no, I'm not I'm not religious,
and I don't have a judge in bone in my body.
I may have strong opinions, but even at that, I'll
let go and I give people the grace and space
to figure it out themselves. I'm not here to judge anybody,
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you know, Uh necessary.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
We say that, but we do judge, and I don't
think there's anything wrong with judging. Like I'm not condemning
a person, but I will see something in processing in
my mind on whether I agree with that or disagree
with that, or you.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Know, to judge just to come to a conclusion on somebody,
that means the end, that's it. That's what I think
about you. I'll never die.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, that's what I guess.
That's what I mean. I say, I don't condemn.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
People that may be the space that you're in right now. Like,
even though I was strong about Kanye, I believe that
he needs the grace and space to find his way
back to whatever that relationship is with God. You know,
so I'm not here. I haven't come to a conclusion
on him. I haven't come to conclusion on nobody. Because
people go through seasons of their lives.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Can you come through can you come to personal conclusions
about the person meeting? Like, No, I'm not saying that
this person is that. I'm just saying I've seen enough
for this to know this ain't what I want in
my life.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Man, I've made such a mess on my journey. I
haven't been perfect, and people will be completely wrong if
they came to a conclusion on me.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
But you got to get people distanced though, I mean,
you got to distance yourself from some people because you
know they're not good for you.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I don't firmly believe that either. Man Jesus didn't con
distance himself from the lady that was called the act
of adultery. They wait, they caught that woman with her
legs up in the room having sex, doing whatever she
was doing. Lady, the Bible, you know the woman that
was Yes, yes, I don't know if it man.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
What was it?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I ain't never seen that scripture legs up in the Bible.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
I'm giving you a painting the picture for you. The
Bible said she was caught in the act. What was
that act?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
We don't know, I do, I never do.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Was the act of sex?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I didn't know that she was caught in the act
of adultery, was in the bed with another man that
wasn't hers. They snatched her up in the act, brought
it before Jesus, and we know what she did. We
just got it out of the bed. What you got
to say about that?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
That is the most playing, hating, cock blocking thing I've
ever heard of my life. You snatch a woman out
while she's getting some actions.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
This is the Bible. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Just but why, he says, guess what Jesus did. He
didn't put He said, I'll deal with her later. Let
me deal with you the one that put her in
front of me? He said, Ye, that's without seeing cast
the first one. You know good and well, you got
your own dirt. I'm not gonna disconnect myself from her
in her low estate or when she's trying to figure
it out. It's a reason why she's dealing with what
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she's dealing with that started early in her life. Jesus
is dead to love people in whatever state they're in, period.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
But what if that is to your detriment?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
That's what I mean. I'm with you on everything.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, there's people that need help and and going through
things that I pray for them the best, but I can't.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Even help them to a point.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
But when they want your detriment, when they's somebody that's
trying to hurt you, yes, that's taking your the love
or are the things that make you happy in your
life and trying to turn it around. How do you
stay I'm gonna help that person, or I'm still gonna
show grace to that person.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
That's the price of the cross man, that's the price
of walking with Jesus. That's what Jesus did. He took
on all of our sins to the cross at the
price of people coming to conclusions on him. The people
who put him on the cross. Were people saying he's
a he's this, he's that, and that they lied on him.
It was his character was was on the on the judgment,
you know. And Cross the Bell said again.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What about the saying it ain't my cross the.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Bell, it's your Listen, if you called to help people,
you can't worry about what people think about what you're doing.
You got to go do it. That's what Jesus did.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
That's what if it's not mine, Cross the Bell.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
If it ain't your cross the bed, then you leave
it alone after.
Speaker 7 (37:48):
You.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
But if you're representing Jesus, you can't worry about what
people gonna think about you. You got to go in.
When everybody turning their backs on the individual, you gotta
go in.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
But you go in.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
But what about something that's evil? Right, that there is
no turning back, That their whole existence is evil and
no matter what you do, and no matter how you
try to help, they are the devil.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
I feel I feel like saying somebody's whole existence is
evil is condemning them.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I don't believe that everybody's whole, entire existence.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
And some people that's got this full of the me too.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
I'm like, where are we going is evil? What is
it are we doing in Exasus?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So if some people are full of the devil, what
do you do?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
You lead them alone? You pray for them, That's what
I would think.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
But I'm away from that.
Speaker 6 (38:36):
But for me, you just pray for that person because
obviously that ain't a job for man. That's not a
job for man. That's that's a job for God.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And Dandrick. You got a song called save.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yourself, Yes, sir, I wrote that song the Bible does
to save yourself from this untoward generation. But you gotta
love people, man, no matter what. And that's that's the
part of the job. That's the part of the job. Man.
Some people come to your church, your pastor, and people
just got off death row, just barely made it. You know,
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you gotta love them. Some people have done the worst
things ever, that's your job. Jesus belongs to everybody, and
if you're going to be a representative of Jesus, you
can't worry about what people think. You gotta always be
the one to go drawing closer to people. And if
here's the thing, if you do, against all odds, love
people through it all, and you still do what you're doing. Hey,
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that's that's on your record on Judgment.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Day, Charlamagne feels like sometimes God's uh, sometimes those those
prayers that go to God's bamfolder.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Okay, I hate when you quotes me because you be
quoting me.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
All right.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
You never heard you say I've been that. Ever hear
you say.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I'm trying to figure that out. God got jumped.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I just be saying, sometimes don't waste God's time which things?
And what I mean by that is, you know there
are certain things he has God he or she has
given you the will to figure those things out on
your your own. And I think sometimes we waste God's
time with frivolous, you know, prayers and it goes into spamfold.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
I agree. Some people don't. They don't mean what they're
praying about. They don't believe what they're praying for. So
you're like, you waste the time. The Bible said when
you pray, you gotta believe what you're asking for, and
if you don't believe, it won't happen for you.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
You got the good brother D one on D one
change man, how that connection happens.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
That's my boy man. I've been knowing him for quite
some time, and I just love his mission. How he's
bold and holding the hip hop community accountable. I think
it's incredible. He's not doing it in a religious way.
He's being bold just as bold as they are. He's bold,
and I just wanted to connect with them. People like that, man,
I could. I want them on my albums all day.
I want to hear what you have to say, what
I'm saying. Hopefully I can make a record with him,
(40:55):
a whole record with him.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
You know, I respect d One.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
A lot of people do feel like he is very
judgment to though when it comes to, you know, other people,
for other artists.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I don't know what to say to that. I think
he's very strongly opinionated. But and he's passionate about, you know,
holding the community accountable because there are young people that
are listening to the music. So you it's easy to
say he's judgmental, you know, because he's coming so strong.
But I don't think he's judgmental. I think he's just
he's holding you. He's holding you, colmb but he's grabbing
(41:29):
you at the colin. Say hey, bro, you Rick Ross,
you know what I'm saying. You know who you are?
You can see these kids. Somebody got to do it,
and so he's called to do that.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Is there differ between accountability and judgment? Is it a
thin line? Are they two totally different.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Two totally different things. Judgment is to come to conclusions
on somebody and that's it. That is all. I'm you know,
past the judgment, the verdict, everything, it's just you, that's it.
To hold accountable is to say, hey, look.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
You could do better.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yo, don't try to get around it. This is it, bro,
that's I'm holding you accountable.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes makes the.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Question for you before we please. I always wanted to
know because I know names are powerful. Charlemagne, the God
tell me that piece.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Well, very good question.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up, you know, we
studied the five percent teachings, and you know, and in
the five percent teachings they teach you God is a
Greek word to ride from me and Raymond words gumar
as the ball, which means widam, script and beauty, and
the first letter of each word was used by Greek
students when they would identify with their Egyptian you know teachers,
So it was you know God, and then you know
in the five percent tas the teach you that the
black man is God.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So in a lot of ways, it was an affirmation.
You know.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
There was a great book I read back in the
day called From Niggas to Gods, you know, by a
Kill and it was just all about evolution.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
It was about getting rid of that.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Nigga mindset, doing away with the nigga mindset, and evolving
to the God in you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Because you can either submit your will to.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
The higher level in you, which is the God, and
you are submit your will to the lower level in you,
which is the devil. So I just you know, that
was just something that a lot of us, and still
not a lot of us, A lot of people, you know,
still say we're God.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
You say peace God. You know.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Are you addressed a black woman, you say peace queen.
You know she's a goddess.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Right.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
So it's just something to aspire to, you know, not
saying I am God, right right, you know. But if
God created man in his image according to his likeness Boom,
then I am Boom, you know, in the image and
likeness of my father, lower case G, lawer case G.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
But I have the most respect for that man. I
always wanted to know. I said, we're gonna ask you
that when I say, you absolutely, and I think that's powerful.
I think names are very powerful. What you declare your
name is what how people know you. And it's what
you declare in the earth. So if you said, Charlmagne
the God, you said, you know I'm a child of
God or you know the God in me? I think
that's a powerful thing. Everybody say, what's your government?
Speaker 5 (44:00):
I appreciate you for joining us? This sak what record?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
You want to hear?
Speaker 5 (44:03):
The album?
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Oh? Man, play them all play one night in California.
That's the title cut.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well, hold on, I have two more questions. Oh yeah,
you know. I think this is a good question.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
You know, because the perception of a pastor is that
everything they do is for God and not for financial gain.
So a lot of people would say, you know, why
would you do the reality TV show Preachers of l It.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
It came about when I was at the lower state
of in my ministry, went through the worst season of
my life. I had again, I divorced, and then I
had met my wife. Within three months within that divorce process,
we started having sex. We had my first child, Destined.
She's twelve now I got a call from a great preacher.
He's deceased now rest in peace, Zachary Thames. Out of
(44:47):
the blue when I went to La and he said, Dietrich,
I felt lad to call you. Man, what's going on
with you? I started crying on the phone, like, Man,
I would have messed up real bad. Once the folks
here what I've done. I'll never be able to inspire
people again, and I'll never be able to get up
and sing or preach because they're not going to believe
in me because I you know, you know. Anyway, I
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was on the phone with him, man, and then the
idea came about. I said, man, why don't we just
we need a reality show for preachers like us that
make mistakes, Like you can't expect to live eighty to
two hundred years on the planet Earth and not make
mistakes even though you're a preacher. We trying our best.
Well I fell short. I think people need to see
not just hear about what Dietrich did, but see Dietrich
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come through it. How I get back to where I
need to be. And that's how Preachers of La came about.
I created that show, gave it to Holly Carter shout
out to Holly Carter, Lemmy Plumber and we did it, man,
and it changed the It shifted culture in the church
where preachers had to now become more trans become more transparent.
And now they're seeing that there's ministry in transparency. Now
(45:51):
the preachers are dressing down and saying I need Jesus too.
Before then, wasn't nobody saying that. They were saying, you
need Jesus and you need to get it right. Now
that members are saying, okay, Pastor Dietrich is letting us
in on his life. Bishop Noah Jones was one of
the greatest preachers of all times, philosophers. He's letting you
us in on his life. What's up with you, Pastor?
They're looking at you. So now the pastor, okay, let
(46:13):
me Now, I got to let people in just a
little bit on who I really am. Don't just preach
at me and throw Jesus at me. Let me know
who you are, pastor. And so that's the wonderful thing
about Preachers.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of LA and the show. The show's coming back, right.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
We did a reunion show. They're calling for it back.
Their networks trying to see you know, that was a
tough season for all of us, a lot of you know,
it affected us all differently. Some churches kind of fell off,
you know, because people it's you know, it never was
never done before.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
So how would it's time to be different? Being at
your mindset is different, You're in a different space.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
Oh you can handle it now. Now you've stepped back,
spent ten years ago. You can you take a look
at what worked, what didn't work is easy now it's
easy work. So I think I think it's incredible. I
think it needs to come back. Shows like that need
to come back to help the church now process what's
going on in our world.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
How do you feel about megachurches? Do you feel like
they help or her?
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I was just talking about that. I'm not a big
fan of megachurches. I got a lot of people to
follow me my church, my in person church is not
that large, but people my online church is massive. I
just think the more people, the more blood on your
hands if you fall short and if you make people
turn away from God because of your shortcomings.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
But it doesn't start off as a megachurch. It start
off a small church and it just continues to grow
and grow and.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Well that's where you delegate.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Other stop, do you slow down because people want to
hear you speak just like yourself. I'm sure your church
could be decided, your congregation could be huge.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
You know, you gotta delegate because each soul is important
to God, Each individual is very important to God. And
so it's bigger than just saying I got a big church.
I got thirty thousand. That only mean nothing to me.
I've seen the thirty thousand church go down to nothing,
literally nothing. I was there seeing the people coming in
and droves thirty thousand people. Now it's nothing. The pastor's
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not even married anymore, So none of that moves me anymore.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, we kind of just saw that with hisill song too.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
The mega church is old. It's too much hype. You
gotta get back down the old school church. Where church
is like a family, where you your pastor knew you.
The pastor knows your family. They know you, they know
you when you come in there, you know, to bury
you your family and to marry you, they know you.
That's the way I was raised and that's the way
(48:36):
I like my church, my Hill City church. Have you
ever come to Los Angeles? It's a family it's growing,
but when it gets too big, I'm gonna turn it. Delegates. Hey, y'all,
go over there to Pastor Guy Reeves. He's one of
my associate pastors. Go to Pastor Guy Reeves, and and
and keep doing that because even remember when Moses father
(48:58):
in law told them, man, you got too many children.
That is how you're gonna handle this. All these people,
these people need care, personal care. You need to delegate.
Speaker 5 (49:06):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
It can't be all about you. You need help. You
can't even handle all these souls. And think about it,
The Bible says, the souls, the blood of those people
are gonna be on your hands. The more people you get,
the more responsibility to whom much is given, much is required.
You think you want a big church, No you don't.
You want the people that are called to you that
you can really help through life, life's issues. You want them.
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You want like Jesus, even Jesus. The crowds followed him,
but he had twelve you know what I'm saying, to
help them, and they were work. Peter wanted to cut
and cuts people out. The first chance he got. He
was pastoring them. You see what I'm saying. So where
are the pastors who really care for the people. It's
not about having a big church who cares. I'm not
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impressed people come to me and say, dt, I got
this many people, and that don't mean nothing to me.
I'll be while they're talking like this, brother, that blood
is on your hands. That's what I'm thinking. You better
figure out a way to really paster those people. And
that's what you need to be figuring out. Are any
telling me how many people you got?
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Ye? Are any mega churches doing it right? Because I mean,
based off what you said, Potterhouse comes to mind immediately,
because they do delegate a lot of different pastoral duties
to a lot of different pastors.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I think mister Jenks is doing it right. I still
think that, you know, I'm not. I don't know how
people have their ministries organized, So I don't want to
say that all ministries are like that, but uh, you know,
you got to you gotta delegate, and you gotta oversee
these people. You gotta shepherd these people. You have to
love these people, you have to care for these people,
and you can't do it when you have so many people.
Speaker 7 (50:46):
Yeah, and I'm not coming to a megachurch for I
mean I'm not. I don't want to go to church
for a presentation. I want to I don't want a connection.
I want to feel like you have a go to
church and you know your your pastor feel like you're
talking to you.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Love that, that intimate that that because I still go
to the same church that I was born in, like,
will never not stop going there, you know. But I
know I have a relationship with the bishop and his family,
you know what I mean. I know my first lady,
I know her kids, like they know how to cover
me when I'm on the road. And because I have
(51:23):
a lot of I'm a standing comedian, I meet a
lot of people, you know, I do meet and Greece
and stuff like that. So a lot of that energy
is contagious and a lot of it is draining.
Speaker 6 (51:33):
You don't want it on you.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (51:35):
I just don't feel right sitting in a megachurch where
it's more of a presentation. It's like I don't feel
that spiritual food. I'm not being fed there.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I think a lot of people fled to megachurches because
of church hurt. Also because when you deal with family churches,
you deal with stuff just like you do in the family.
So a lot of people fled a lot of small
churches back in the day to retreat to just big churches.
The lights are turned down. They could just hide in
there and get their word and go. But you still
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need somebody to hold you accountable, to look out for
your soul. And I don't think that's the solution hiding
in a dark room like you at the movie theater.
You know what I'm saying. No, you need a church,
You need a pastor. You need to find the right one, though,
because there's bad leadership everywhere. You know what I'm saying,
it's bad people everywhere. You've got to find the pastor
(52:30):
that's after God's heart for you and your family, and
they're there. Like my father, he's been don't He ain't
trying to go viral. He's eighty five years old. He's
been pastor since I was born, loving people, just doing
what it's called to do, through ups and downs, not
trying to be a star. He's just and he's got
old doing it. So I know that they're great leaders
(52:52):
out there that will love your family, and so you
just got to search for them in your city.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Right well, Dietrick, we appreciate you for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
One night in California's out right.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
Now, that's right, and it's the Breakfast Clo.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
The brother got to end us with a prayer. What
as you're doing?
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Come on then, Father, we thank you for the Breakfast
Club and what they mean to the culture. God continued
to elevate them, continue to bless them, give them the wisdom,
the strength, and the fortitude to continue to do what
you call them to do. Continue to give them the
heart to open up doors for people that are called
to speak for you. On your behalf, I give you
praise for them. Bless their families, Bless everything they put
(53:29):
their hearts to do. Just touch them, God, and just
continue to do what you're doing for them and Jesus
name I pray. Amen.
Speaker 5 (53:35):
Amen, man, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
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