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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning, the Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody is the DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We ought to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. Yes, indeed we have a Rob Alte welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, it's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
How's it going, actor Rob Loow?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I should say Unstable Season two is out August first
on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And how are you feeling today?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Anytime?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
This is the only Breakfast Club I've ever been a
part of. Really, yeah, you know, because I didn't get
the movie.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I didn't get the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I didn't get the movie. So this is it.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Did you try out for the movie?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I tried out for it and they were like no, because.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Back then it was like a whole crew, y'all. It
was probably like eight or ninety y'all that was in everything.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
And and John Hughes never put me in anything John
Hughes movie.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I never thought about that. Yeah, I think eighty you
think you and like Molly Ringwall never did.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It took to the nineties for me to I finally
worked with Molly. We did Stephen King's The Stand Together.
But in the eighties, no, none of that man Rob.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You were famous at a time when fame actually meant something,
when there was a barrier of entry to be a celebrity,
you actually had to have a talent or skill set.
What was being famous in the eighties and nineties?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Like I think if I if I could go back
at a time machine and be young, single, famous, I
would not change a thing. I think the eighties was
the time it was, you know, pre cell phones, pre
the internet. You know, there was like it was just
(01:29):
it was. It was a magical time. And if it was,
it was a very fun time without the complications of today.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And and as you alluded to, it was hard to
be famous.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It was like anybody today can be famous overnight, which
has its own gifts. There's nothing wrong with it, but
you did have to really kind of work.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
If you had social media in the eighty the nineties,
you think you'd have a career a you think you'd
be alive.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I wouldn't be alive. And it wouldn't be the social media.
It would kill me.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
It would be cheap drugs, better sleeping pills, all of it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How have you had a job for so long?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Because there's there's a million and one actors, but you
stayed consistent. How would you say that you stayed consistent
for so long?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Well, I think part of it is I I don't
have the same level of I don't want to say
fear because it sounds like I'm judging other actors. But
I'm very eager to jump into new genres. You know,
in the nineties, I jumped into television and that was
still a time when like if you had started in
movies you didn't do that, that meant your career was over.
(02:41):
And you know that ended up being the West Wing.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And you know, uh, I.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Take supporting parts, smaller parts when they're really good for me,
like in Behind the Candle Ober with Steven Soderberg, and
so I kind of I kind of try to do
follow what we're the interesting stuff is without thinking about
what does that say?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And then the other thing is I still want to
learn and I'm curious, like I'm I'm I'm super curious
to have new experiences.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And you and your son created the show together, right,
that's right? Did your son earnest stripes in his business?
Did you do the little nepotism thing?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I did the I did the as any dad would
do nepotism thing of would you like to I'd love
it if you would meet.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
With my son.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And then and you know, it's like I was talking
to Steven A yesterday about about Lebron Yeah, big Leakers fan,
and I was just saying, look, that's what dad's do
And but you know, then you got to put up
the points more in my kid's place.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know, when he was a writer's is you got.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
To go get the get the coffee, schlept to get
the lunches. You know, don't let anybody know who you are.
And then you when you start writing, then you better
sell something. And you know, because Hollywood and the NBA
are not in the business of giving anybody a free
ride at the end of the day. And so you
get season two of you create a show.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You you've done something.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So I opened the door, but he's got to walk
in it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Did you did you raise your son John out of
fear or love? And the reason I asked that is
because you know, you've been sober for thirty years. He's
been sober for seven years. And I always say my
dad raised me out of fear because he didn't want
me to make the same mistakes that he made, but
I still ended up making him. Sure, So did you
make it? Did you raise your son out of fear
of love?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Both?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
The sobriety thing was like I knew really early because
I have two sons. One Matthew is in a lawyer
and like a businessman. He went into like I say,
real life, you know, John Owen went into my phony
baloney acting life.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
One son I knew.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Was going to have a normal relationship with drugs and
alcohol like his mommy. And the other son, I knew
he's going.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
To be like his daddy.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
How did you know? How did you know that?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Come on, man, you like, come on like you you
you walk in on that, like the group of kids
on the weekend, and you surprise them, and and you
know there's one kid who's like the other kids are like,
and you're like, yeah, he's the one. I mean, you
know what, you just know? And so happily, because I
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have been there, I know there's only one way to
make it happen. And the parents can't do shit, and so.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You've got to let them do it.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You can't do anything they won't that you can't. The
parents can't do anything that you can't get You can't
get sober for anybody other than you. I don't care
what your girlfriend, your mom, the law, whatever the hell
it is, doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You have to be ready.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So, by by the grace of God, and Johnny God
bless him, got his senior year at college.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He decided he'd.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Had enough and he came to Dad and I said,
I know what to do now. And so I got
into the right people, and we're a member of one
of the great clubs in the world. I think of
people in recovery because, let's face it, people are out
there partying and get on or fun. They're fun, they're funny,
they're smart, they're the life of the party, they're interesting.
(06:05):
So those people sober are the sickest.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So do you wait for somebody to come for both?
Do you wait for do you wait till they come
to you and say something? Or do you got to
put a live You got to keep them alive.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Your job is keep them alive.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Your job is like is like put the rails.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
On the on the the when you're bowling.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know, you put up.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Those rails so you don't roll.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Gotta Yeah, that's that's all you can do. And by
the way, that's a lot. I mean, I think partic
for young men. I think it's like get them to
twenty one by hook or by crook, whatever you gotta do,
try to help get them so they don't make some
horrible decision or hurt themselves or somebody else. Just get
them to twenty one. Their brain's calm down and then
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you can have a cogent conversation with them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now you talked about Unstable.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
For people that haven't seen it, break down what Unstable
is about.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
So my son, if you follow them on Johnny low Instagram,
he makes a lot of fun of me. He trolls
me like no other I mean, he just and it
makes me laugh so hard. He's a funny, little funny
boy man. And people really got into the stuff he
was saying about me, and it became a thing like
I couldn't do an interview without people talking about it.
(07:18):
So Johnny, being a smart kid, was like, I think
there people like this dynamic, maybe there's a show in it.
And so we didn't want to play ourselves. So we
had to figure out a show that had the thing
that people like, which is our dynamic in a world
that we created, and we came up with what's the
(07:39):
math that equals what people are responding to, and that
is a father who's in the public eye, slightly larger
than life, perhaps a little untethered from reality because he's
been doing this for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And then the son who is the only one who.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Can speak real people talk to him.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So I play a tech.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Guru, unhinged genius, and John Owen is the son who's
trying to live outside that shadow.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
There's a lot of healing in this show too, though,
because you see like the grieving over the loss of
the wife and the mom. Who added that element and
what part of y'all real life were y'all bringing into
the show with.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's so we brought in in season one Victor Fresco,
who's a very funny writer, producer who did the Santa
Clarita diet and Better Off Ted, and he brought that
in to help humanize my character. And now in season
two we have Andrew Gerland, who did a show called
Friends from College that I love, and it's always good
(08:37):
I think to get a third set of eyes on
an idea. And we've had really good collaborators who've helped,
but that that was something that they added.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did you make yours an audition for his own role?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I make an audition every day? He No, he was,
and you listen.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I was worried about it because you know, he's acted,
he did, he's done some stuff on his own, but
this was a huge.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Leap for him.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And in season two, you know, seeing the growth because
we've had some comic.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Killers on the show.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean, Lamur and Morris is who I love, he's
and he's so good in it. We got Fred Armison
who's on it, Iris Apatow so z. Johnny really hold
his own with that group. This year is great.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Did you and you still never get how together? No?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
God, no, I've been I've been sober thirty four years.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now and you've been married
twenty nine years too, right, thirty three thirty three? Wow?
So you talk about being unstable at what level of
the ability has being married with thirty three years provided you? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Man, it's it's saved my life, you know for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
You know my wife Cheryl is you know, she's my
my I don't even know how to describe it because
she's always been my best friend. She is the smartest person,
the most instinctive person I know and smartest but like
the greatest instincts and my greatest supporter and a terrific mom.
(10:10):
So if you know, anybody out there, if you're lucky
enough to get that in your life, you're so far
ahead of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
What what what made you finally have the you know
where with thoughts that you know what? I got to
settle down because you were a Not only were you
a star in the eighties and nineties, you were considered
what they call a heart throw sex symbol. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was a player. I was out there.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
You think he's sexy's just stayed out.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Heart throw, call him a sex symbol.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Heart throw.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'll take both, guys, He'll give it. I'm happy with both.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
He liked both.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, it's not true. I said sex and I'm both.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I'll take it. Come on, man, I'm a six year
old man.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Right now, which seems kind of way to know.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
But you know what I mean, I do you get
a lot of robs.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I was I was having I was doing a really
good time.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And and by the way, that's why I think when
I was done, I was done. It's just it's no
different than than than partying. It's like I didn't get cheated.
I went on swinging. And so when I was.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Done, literally.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Sorry, I'm glad you got you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
But but but so when I was done, I was done.
You know, I have no illusions. I left it all
in the whatever analogy you want to use, I left
it all in the field.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Did you have was your sex tape the first leak
sex tape ever?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, you invented the sector that was eighty eight or
he said you invented the sexta did celebrity sexty? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But I was stupid enough to see.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Here's the thing is, being first isn't always best because
like nobody monetized it, like you know, made it.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Made Kim k.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But but it almost ruined me. But I mean it's
a big difference.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Why did it almost ruin you? Because you had an
image double they dude.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
So if you were to go back and look at
the nightly news from whatever that came.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Out, Tom broke call, there's NBC news, right, doctor rob
ral and the whole thing, they go and another news
in Gman square.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Democracy rose as a man stood.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
In front of a gentleman square was the second.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Story on the news.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How did the tape lead?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Was your tape you were recording? Somebody broke into your
house or something like? How did it leave?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
It got stolen? But you know, look, man, it's like
it's one of those things that led me to where
I am. You know, I have no regrets in my
life and I and I've thought about it, man, I
really really have. Is because I've always learned more from
the mistakes and the screw ups.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
By the way, that watch is so sick.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, thank you Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
You said it changed the trajectory of your life, though, Yeah,
but in a bad way? You meet no, No, in
a good way.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, because it's it started me thinking about what am
I really doing here? Who am I hanging out with?
And uh, you know, you're only as good as the
company you keep. And then I looked around and met
my wife Cheryl about a year after that, and it
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wasn't It wasn't like I had an overnight conversion on anything,
but I realized that it's like, what do they say,
it's time to put you know, it was time to
it was trying to move on to a different, different,
different life.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Do you think it made your stock rise up because
you know, a lot of women got to see what
she was working with.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I hope. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean listen, I
can't be the judge of that now.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yes, you can't. Can Yeah, you got a ruler?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is it true?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
During that time in the eighties, pat Riley also banned
you from the.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Would you why because of that?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I think you wanted Irvan messed up in that ship.
Michael Cooper with the Lakers all the time while.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And you party party with them before.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Those are my guy. I love that era so much.
I love those men, so them so much, and you
know it just I wonder if like I go to
Lake Ams still but and I love all of it.
It's I mean, come on, man, that was the fucking captain.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, that's the crazy thing that happened with else say
your names. The craziest night.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
The craziest night was when it was during the Pistons
the first Pistons Final in Detroit, and in those days
that the schedule was like what two three two? I think,
so you would you'd have these three games which were forever,
they were an eternity and you're in Detroit for like,
you know, a long time and you're out, you know.
(14:41):
So I sent some friends up to somebody's broom and.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
What are the plays? Yeah, and an opposite team.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
No on our team, and Riley found out about it,
and that's why he banned me. And then the other
the other one that really that no one knew about
is I took I took one of the one of
my guys out.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
To mister Chows.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
And those are the days when I was doing my
thing and I took something and he was, what's that
I got?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's called a kaylude? So I want to try that.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He went, oh for thirty four Jesus right, I mean,
you look up the stats and I'm like, what.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That's Did he play that night? And the next day he.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Played the next day?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Okay, the next day?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
What's wrong?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Rabo?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
True?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I read that you was coach Michael Jordan and Magic
Jonathan Cory.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I didn't wear yeah, so uh I.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Magic used to have a amazing fundraise raiser. I want
to say it was for United Negro College fund. I
want to say. It was at the Forum every summer
and you had to show, like if you were in
the nb DA NBA, and you got the call from him.
You showed, so every star you can imagine played and
(15:59):
Arsenio coached one side and I coached the other. It
tells you exactly like what era it is, right, And
it was the first time that MJ and Magic played
together on the same team, and we scored.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We like I did anything.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
They scored two hundred points and lost. Ray who they
play against the other team was Carl Malone, Clyde Drexler,
those of the two I really remember. And I remember
that I called the time out towards the end of
the game just so I could be involved, and everybody
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was laughing, and I look over at Michael and he
was like dead eyed, and everybody's laughing, and all of
a sudden, people realized that Michael wasn't laughing and they
looked at him. I goes, hey, man, we're gonna win
this motherfucker. And everybody's like, oh, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
We didn't know that was how it was.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And so then they everybody played defense and still lost.
But you saw first I saw firsthand like Michael does play.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, super super cool.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
And it was also the first time he ever shot
free throws with his eyes closed, which I think he
went on to do once.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
At least NBA he did, he did.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
This is the first time he did it.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I want somebody to look up the over thirty four
shoot instead. I need to know who that was one
of these internets loose will figure it out. Was Hollywood
in the eighties really as evil as people made it
out to be?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well in what sense? Tell me?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Tell me when you like when you see all these
hard you see these documentaries now, and they got the
creepy music playing and everybody was on drum.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
It was it was way more. It was more innocent
because we didn't know what we didn't know. I mean,
listen when I came up because of this, Dude, when
I came up, my heroes were all on blow. I
don't want to name names of the actors, but again,
you could do the math. They all lived on Mulholland,
and they all were single, and they all were getting
(17:50):
after it every single night and winning Academy Awards and
then roll the Laker games, and dude, I just modeled
my life after the after heroes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Cocaine was regular and it was pure.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's what you did if you were if you were
successful and smart and by the way, in the beginning,
they thought it was good for you. Really, yeah, nobody
knew it hadn't brought a generation.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
To its knees yet.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it hadn't.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And so again we didn't know what we didn't We
didn't know. It's like it's like anything else that we
know about how we treat people in the workplace. You know,
today is a completely different time. I mean, Warner Brothers
gave you know, all of us underage kids booze on
the set of The Outsiders studio.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's just people didn't know. We didn't know any better,
did that?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Why you and Tom Cruse got in a fight, y'all drunk?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We weren't drunk when we fought.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
We were we were training. We were doing like a
fight night before there was a fight night in the
hallway because we're just young dudes, testosterone.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Real fight in that slat box like fight fight.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And we had full gear on, head gear, gloves.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So you Tom Cruise, Matt, Dylan Patrick's wayde.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Matt didn't do any of the athletics, okay, non zero Matt.
I love Matt, most unathletic movie star whoever lived.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Patrick's wady god bleft to day.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
He was he was a baller, he was super athletic.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Another one, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was me. Amelia
and Tom were the ones who trained all the time.
And part of the training was boxing. And you know,
if I got off a clean one once and that
was the end, I just then Tom just went wild.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So he was mad you hit him.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's just competitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But that's that's what it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
If you guys were in college and screwing around with
your fellas in a frat or whatever, whatever that would
look like. Is what we did. Got you in the
hotel because we were eight, you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen
year old kids, And.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Where were your parents, Like when the executives were feeding
y'all booths and stuff like, where were the parents of
the guardians?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Well that was at eighteen, you didn't have to have
a guardian. I turned eighteen on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The set of The Outsiders.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
It was the drinking age in some states back then.
Again we didn't know, we didn't know. And but Tommy,
he was a kid. Tommy was fifteen and he was
just getting after it. Wow, pony boy, Tom Tommy, how okay?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, pony boy sounds crazy. That was his nickname.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Yeah outside, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, pony was a
good nickname.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Would you ever make a movie about that era and
like really tell the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I would?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Well, I wrote a book about about it, and there's
a chapter or two, but there's more than a few
chapters called stories.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I only tell my friends. You can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
There's some good stuff in it there, but I've never
really I may do a documentary.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm talking to some folks about doing a documentary.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Because I like what you said about you didn't know
what you just didn't know. That's right, and that's why
I think it's like even NOWADAYD. I don't think I
think Cancel Coach is over, but it's how do you
judge people for what they did?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Tell me what you think it's over?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I'm super curious because you sit right in the culture.
If anybody would know, you would know you, guys, why
why do you think it's over?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Because everybody realized this is circular firing squad and nobody's perfect,
and you're gonna end up taking either you're gonna get
shot and you end up taking out somebody that you
really care for. I don't think it's a circular firing squad.
It's not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I love that. I hope you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, and you got to give people grace.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I think everybody has some type of dirt or
something on them that you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You don't want it to fire back at you, for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Right, it feels like it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Right, it feels like it's coming to an ad a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I forgot what I even asked you.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm sorry. I turned it around and asked you a question.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know what it is you do? Have you got
eighties dreamy eyes? Bro? You turn like this.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I gave you the the Robert Redford half over exactly. Yeah,
it's just when you're kind of half over your shoulder exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Old Bobby Redford invented that ship.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Who's Bobby Redford?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Robert Redford?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh? Should see me? Called hole making like Hollywood? Now?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Do I like it?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
It's funny because so we're here promoting the show. Right,
My son is twenty eight? He so I remember that era.
I mean I was already married and sober by twenty eight.
But you know, my point being, he's a young actor
in New York City, just you know, it's the hit.
The world is his oyster, and I look at what
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how he sees the world visa via Hollywood and everyth
and how I see it. And you know, he's down
at the Bowery and he's got this one and that one.
He's walking around, he's doing his thing, and all I
want to do is run the reservoir in Central Park,
get some room service, and.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Go to bed. And because.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So do.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I love Hollywood. I love working in Hollywood. I love
what happens when people come together to create. I love
the adrenaline of what is the next thing. I love
when people on the street stop and say, hey, I
can't wait for und stable or.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I've seen it.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I love all of that. That never gets old. But
everything else around it been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I just wonder what's missing because y'all came up in
a time and everybody was a fucking mess. But it
never seemed like that mess really leaked out to the public,
unless like it was like an extreme, extreme situation. But
now it just seems like everybody's stuff is out there.
I don't know if it's social media, it's self inflicted
in social media.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Well, Listen, if you went to a nightclub or whatever
and in the day and we're doing whatever you were doing,
and everybody saw it. Who theyre going to tell? They
tell somebody and they don't believe it or whatever. And
now we're a place where you photograph it or say
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it's happening right now, and it's everybody knows everything. And
I think I think that's that's it. And also people
are also much more open. I mean, there's a time,
you know, young young folks can't even fathom this where
you didn't even come in and do what I'm doing,
Like you didn't see Warren Batty, Like my I'm talking
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about movie star icons right at the time, you didn't
see Warren Batty do any interviews for anything. It's like
beneath them, and and and then on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So again, like now.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You've got if you're opening them, if you're doing Twister,
you got them running around the country doing doing song
and dance numbers in every city to open up that movie.
And that that didn't you know, it was way way
more private.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
But that's because it was it because y'all were proven
movie stars already. Though, So it's just like if we
noticed group of people are going to be in a movie.
A'll Warren Baty started movie. I'm going to see it.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That's exactly. That's also part of it.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
You're right, there's you know, there were three networks.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
On TV, so many other options.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Now you have so many, and everything's so segmented. So
whatever you're in do, there's a whole silo just for
you and and that and what you're into can be
as niche as niche niche niche can be, and you
can find your community. And in the old days, you
know that those niche entertainment needs went unfulfilled and so
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all you had was broad entertainment.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Will there ever be any new movie stars ever again?
Will there ever be a.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Not like there were?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Because the world's different, I mean not like there were.
And I think I wonder it's the same musicians, it's
the same movies. It's funny athletes, though there are still
superstars like they used to be, even maybe more so today,
But in movies and music, I feel like you're never
going to see the likes of the kind of stars
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that were created when stars had to really earn their
way in.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think the athletes might not be the same though,
because the athletes of that era actually cared about winning
more than anything.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh, don't get me started.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know. So it's like when you that's how you
become an icon due the reason you look at Jordan,
when you look at Jordan's Magic or Brady is because
they actually won people.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Well they were they were as interested, if not more. Well,
here's the thing I just I you go back.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To to the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
It's like, it's so hard for me to watch the
NBA now because I just know all those guys are
are bros. Well, they definitely are because they're talking about,
hey do we want to play together here?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And there?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Can you imagine that conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Going on between Charles Berkley and Magic or Patrick Ewing
and and no, they wanted.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
To murder each other out on the floor.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
So it's just a different Again, it's I'm not saying
it's better or worse, but.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's not the same.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You consider bron a Laker.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Again, that's it.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
No, he's got championships with multiple teams, but that doesn't
make him not a Laker. I'm talking about yeah, yeah,
I say multiple multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm talking about stature. You would you want a statue
of bron in front of the Staples Center.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Sure, oh yeah, I mean he won a championship. He's he's,
you know, the in the top three. I'm gonna in trouble.
Whoever played one, two or three?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, but if you an all time lag.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Cridinal, he's not an all time Laker.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
He's not because because he is. And I don't mean
this as a pejorative, but he's a little bit of
a mercenary.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
He goes as he should, He goes he wants to go,
does he wants to do? Why wouldn't he? But that
culture didn't exist. I mean again, you would never remember
when Michael couldn't get past Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Do you remember that Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You remember that?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Remember that era?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Okay, so what if Michael had said, you know what,
I'm gonna go play Brad Dherty in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Brad Darty and Mark Price.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But Mike Price, those guys, but.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They were remember they were killing him. So it's just
a different different time. Robert the go Yeah, I know,
all right, Rob, You guys guys are the sickest watches.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I'm sorry, thank you, it's just a little something.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Just a little nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Thank you. You're watching clean too, though.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yes it is absolutely I went my day, my day
one every.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Day, that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Every day.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's every day, paddics every day. I'm not mad at you.
Come on, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Unstable Season two premieres August first on Netflix and Rob Loow.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
We appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
This is great, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
The Breakfast Club.
Wake that ass up in the morning, the Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Everybody is the DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We ought to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. Yes, indeed we have a Rob Alte welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, it's good to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
How's it going, actor Rob Loow?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I should say Unstable Season two is out August first
on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And how are you feeling today?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Anytime?
Speaker 5 (00:22):
This is the only Breakfast Club I've ever been a
part of. Really, yeah, you know, because I didn't get
the movie.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I didn't get the movie.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I didn't get the movie. So this is it.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Did you try out for the movie?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I tried out for it and they were like no, because.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Back then it was like a whole crew, y'all. It
was probably like eight or ninety y'all that was in everything.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
And and John Hughes never put me in anything John
Hughes movie.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I never thought about that. Yeah, I think eighty you
think you and like Molly Ringwall never did.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
It took to the nineties for me to I finally
worked with Molly. We did Stephen King's The Stand Together.
But in the eighties, no, none of that man Rob.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
You were famous at a time when fame actually meant something,
when there was a barrier of entry to be a celebrity,
you actually had to have a talent or skill set.
What was being famous in the eighties and nineties?
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Like I think if I if I could go back
at a time machine and be young, single, famous, I
would not change a thing. I think the eighties was
the time it was, you know, pre cell phones, pre
the internet. You know, there was like it was just
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it was. It was a magical time. And if it was,
it was a very fun time without the complications of today.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
And and as you alluded to, it was hard to
be famous.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It was like anybody today can be famous overnight, which
has its own gifts. There's nothing wrong with it, but
you did have to really kind of work.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
If you had social media in the eighty the nineties,
you think you'd have a career a you think you'd
be alive.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I wouldn't be alive. And it wouldn't be the social media.
It would kill me.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
It would be cheap drugs, better sleeping pills, all of it.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
How have you had a job for so long?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Because there's there's a million and one actors, but you
stayed consistent. How would you say that you stayed consistent
for so long?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Well, I think part of it is I I don't
have the same level of I don't want to say
fear because it sounds like I'm judging other actors. But
I'm very eager to jump into new genres. You know,
in the nineties, I jumped into television and that was
still a time when like if you had started in
movies you didn't do that, that meant your career was over.
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And you know that ended up being the West Wing.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
And you know, uh, I.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
Take supporting parts, smaller parts when they're really good for me,
like in Behind the Candle Ober with Steven Soderberg, and
so I kind of I kind of try to do
follow what we're the interesting stuff is without thinking about
what does that say?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
What does that mean?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
And then the other thing is I still want to
learn and I'm curious, like I'm I'm I'm super curious
to have new experiences.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And you and your son created the show together, right,
that's right? Did your son earnest stripes in his business?
Did you do the little nepotism thing?
Speaker 5 (03:19):
I did the I did the as any dad would
do nepotism thing of would you like to I'd love
it if you would meet.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
With my son.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And then and you know, it's like I was talking
to Steven A yesterday about about Lebron Yeah, big Leakers fan,
and I was just saying, look, that's what dad's do
And but you know, then you got to put up
the points more in my kid's place.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
You know, when he was a writer's is you got.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
To go get the get the coffee, schlept to get
the lunches. You know, don't let anybody know who you are.
And then you when you start writing, then you better
sell something. And you know, because Hollywood and the NBA
are not in the business of giving anybody a free
ride at the end of the day. And so you
get season two of you create a show.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
You you've done something.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
So I opened the door, but he's got to walk
in it.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Did you did you raise your son John out of
fear or love? And the reason I asked that is
because you know, you've been sober for thirty years. He's
been sober for seven years. And I always say my
dad raised me out of fear because he didn't want
me to make the same mistakes that he made, but
I still ended up making him. Sure, So did you
make it? Did you raise your son out of fear
of love?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Both?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
The sobriety thing was like I knew really early because
I have two sons. One Matthew is in a lawyer
and like a businessman. He went into like I say,
real life, you know, John Owen went into my phony
baloney acting life.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
One son I knew.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Was going to have a normal relationship with drugs and
alcohol like his mommy. And the other son, I knew
he's going.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
To be like his daddy.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
How did you know? How did you know that?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Come on, man, you like, come on like you you
you walk in on that, like the group of kids
on the weekend, and you surprise them, and and you
know there's one kid who's like the other kids are like,
and you're like, yeah, he's the one. I mean, you
know what, you just know? And so happily, because I
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have been there, I know there's only one way to
make it happen. And the parents can't do shit, and so.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You've got to let them do it.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
You can't do anything they won't that you can't. The
parents can't do anything that you can't get You can't
get sober for anybody other than you. I don't care
what your girlfriend, your mom, the law, whatever the hell
it is, doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You have to be ready.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
So, by by the grace of God, and Johnny God
bless him, got his senior year at college.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He decided he'd.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Had enough and he came to Dad and I said,
I know what to do now. And so I got
into the right people, and we're a member of one
of the great clubs in the world. I think of
people in recovery because, let's face it, people are out
there partying and get on or fun. They're fun, they're funny,
they're smart, they're the life of the party, they're interesting.
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So those people sober are the sickest.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
So do you wait for somebody to come for both?
Do you wait for do you wait till they come
to you and say something? Or do you got to
put a live You got to keep them alive.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Your job is keep them alive.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Your job is like is like put the rails.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
On the on the the when you're bowling.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know, you put up.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Those rails so you don't roll.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Gotta Yeah, that's that's all you can do. And by
the way, that's a lot. I mean, I think partic
for young men. I think it's like get them to
twenty one by hook or by crook, whatever you gotta do,
try to help get them so they don't make some
horrible decision or hurt themselves or somebody else. Just get
them to twenty one. Their brain's calm down and then
(06:49):
you can have a cogent conversation with them.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now you talked about Unstable.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
For people that haven't seen it, break down what Unstable
is about.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
So my son, if you follow them on Johnny low Instagram,
he makes a lot of fun of me. He trolls
me like no other I mean, he just and it
makes me laugh so hard. He's a funny, little funny
boy man. And people really got into the stuff he
was saying about me, and it became a thing like
I couldn't do an interview without people talking about it.
(07:18):
So Johnny, being a smart kid, was like, I think
there people like this dynamic, maybe there's a show in it.
And so we didn't want to play ourselves. So we
had to figure out a show that had the thing
that people like, which is our dynamic in a world
that we created, and we came up with what's the
(07:39):
math that equals what people are responding to, and that
is a father who's in the public eye, slightly larger
than life, perhaps a little untethered from reality because he's
been doing this for so long.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And then the son who is the only one who.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Can speak real people talk to him.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
So I play a tech.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Guru, unhinged genius, and John Owen is the son who's
trying to live outside that shadow.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
There's a lot of healing in this show too, though,
because you see like the grieving over the loss of
the wife and the mom. Who added that element and
what part of y'all real life were y'all bringing into
the show with.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
It's so we brought in in season one Victor Fresco,
who's a very funny writer, producer who did the Santa
Clarita diet and Better Off Ted, and he brought that
in to help humanize my character. And now in season
two we have Andrew Gerland, who did a show called
Friends from College that I love, and it's always good
(08:37):
I think to get a third set of eyes on
an idea. And we've had really good collaborators who've helped,
but that that was something that they added.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did you make yours an audition for his own role?
Speaker 3 (08:48):
I make an audition every day? He No, he was,
and you listen.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I was worried about it because you know, he's acted,
he did, he's done some stuff on his own, but
this was a huge.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Leap for him.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And in season two, you know, seeing the growth because
we've had some comic.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Killers on the show.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I mean, Lamur and Morris is who I love, he's
and he's so good in it. We got Fred Armison
who's on it, Iris Apatow so z. Johnny really hold
his own with that group. This year is great.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Did you and you still never get how together? No?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
God, no, I've been I've been sober thirty four years.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Now and you've been married
twenty nine years too, right, thirty three thirty three? Wow?
So you talk about being unstable at what level of
the ability has being married with thirty three years provided you? Oh?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Man, it's it's saved my life, you know for sure.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
You know my wife Cheryl is you know, she's my
my I don't even know how to describe it because
she's always been my best friend. She is the smartest person,
the most instinctive person I know and smartest but like
the greatest instincts and my greatest supporter and a terrific mom.
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So if you know, anybody out there, if you're lucky
enough to get that in your life, you're so far
ahead of the game.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
What what what made you finally have the you know
where with thoughts that you know what? I got to
settle down because you were a Not only were you
a star in the eighties and nineties, you were considered
what they call a heart throw sex symbol. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was a player. I was out there.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
You think he's sexy's just stayed out.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Heart throw, call him a sex symbol.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Heart throw.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I'll take both, guys, He'll give it. I'm happy with both.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
He liked both.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
No, it's not true. I said sex and I'm both.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I'll take it. Come on, man, I'm a six year
old man.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Right now, which seems kind of way to know.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
But you know what I mean, I do you get
a lot of robs.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
I was I was having I was doing a really
good time.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
And and by the way, that's why I think when
I was done, I was done. It's just it's no
different than than than partying. It's like I didn't get cheated.
I went on swinging. And so when I was.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Done, literally.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Sorry, I'm glad you got you.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
But but but so when I was done, I was done.
You know, I have no illusions. I left it all
in the whatever analogy you want to use, I left
it all in the field.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Did you have was your sex tape the first leak
sex tape ever?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, you invented the sector that was eighty eight or
he said you invented the sexta did celebrity sexty? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:32):
But I was stupid enough to see.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Here's the thing is, being first isn't always best because
like nobody monetized it, like you know, made it.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Made Kim k.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
But but it almost ruined me. But I mean it's
a big difference.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Why did it almost ruin you? Because you had an
image double they dude.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
So if you were to go back and look at
the nightly news from whatever that came.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Out, Tom broke call, there's NBC news, right, doctor rob
ral and the whole thing, they go and another news
in Gman square.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Democracy rose as a man stood.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
In front of a gentleman square was the second.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Story on the news.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How did the tape lead?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Was your tape you were recording? Somebody broke into your
house or something like? How did it leave?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
It got stolen? But you know, look, man, it's like
it's one of those things that led me to where
I am. You know, I have no regrets in my
life and I and I've thought about it, man, I
really really have. Is because I've always learned more from
the mistakes and the screw ups.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
By the way, that watch is so sick.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Oh, thank you Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
You said it changed the trajectory of your life, though, Yeah,
but in a bad way? You meet no, No, in
a good way.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Yeah, because it's it started me thinking about what am
I really doing here? Who am I hanging out with?
And uh, you know, you're only as good as the
company you keep. And then I looked around and met
my wife Cheryl about a year after that, and it
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wasn't It wasn't like I had an overnight conversion on anything,
but I realized that it's like, what do they say,
it's time to put you know, it was time to
it was trying to move on to a different, different,
different life.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Do you think it made your stock rise up because
you know, a lot of women got to see what
she was working with.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
I hope. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean listen, I
can't be the judge of that now.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Yes, you can't. Can Yeah, you got a ruler?
Speaker 5 (13:36):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is it true?
Speaker 1 (13:40):
During that time in the eighties, pat Riley also banned
you from the.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Would you why because of that?
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Why?
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I think you wanted Irvan messed up in that ship.
Michael Cooper with the Lakers all the time while.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And you party party with them before.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
Those are my guy. I love that era so much.
I love those men, so them so much, and you
know it just I wonder if like I go to
Lake Ams still but and I love all of it.
It's I mean, come on, man, that was the fucking captain.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, that's the crazy thing that happened with else say
your names. The craziest night.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
The craziest night was when it was during the Pistons
the first Pistons Final in Detroit, and in those days
that the schedule was like what two three two? I think,
so you would you'd have these three games which were forever,
they were an eternity and you're in Detroit for like,
you know, a long time and you're out, you know.
(14:41):
So I sent some friends up to somebody's broom and.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
What are the plays? Yeah, and an opposite team.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
No on our team, and Riley found out about it,
and that's why he banned me. And then the other
the other one that really that no one knew about
is I took I took one of the one of
my guys out.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
To mister Chows.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
And those are the days when I was doing my
thing and I took something and he was, what's that
I got?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's called a kaylude? So I want to try that.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
He went, oh for thirty four Jesus right, I mean,
you look up the stats and I'm like, what.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
That's Did he play that night? And the next day he.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Played the next day?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Okay, the next day?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
What's wrong?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Rabo?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
True?
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I read that you was coach Michael Jordan and Magic
Jonathan Cory.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I didn't wear yeah, so uh I.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Magic used to have a amazing fundraise raiser. I want
to say it was for United Negro College fund. I
want to say. It was at the Forum every summer
and you had to show, like if you were in
the nb DA NBA, and you got the call from him.
You showed, so every star you can imagine played and
(15:59):
Arsenio coached one side and I coached the other. It
tells you exactly like what era it is, right, And
it was the first time that MJ and Magic played
together on the same team, and we scored.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
We like I did anything.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
They scored two hundred points and lost. Ray who they
play against the other team was Carl Malone, Clyde Drexler,
those of the two I really remember. And I remember
that I called the time out towards the end of
the game just so I could be involved, and everybody
(16:35):
was laughing, and I look over at Michael and he
was like dead eyed, and everybody's laughing, and all of
a sudden, people realized that Michael wasn't laughing and they
looked at him. I goes, hey, man, we're gonna win
this motherfucker. And everybody's like, oh, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
We didn't know that was how it was.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
And so then they everybody played defense and still lost.
But you saw first I saw firsthand like Michael does play.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, super super cool.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
And it was also the first time he ever shot
free throws with his eyes closed, which I think he
went on to do once.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
At least NBA he did, he did.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
This is the first time he did it.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I want somebody to look up the over thirty four
shoot instead. I need to know who that was one
of these internets loose will figure it out. Was Hollywood
in the eighties really as evil as people made it
out to be?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Well in what sense? Tell me?
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Tell me when you like when you see all these
hard you see these documentaries now, and they got the
creepy music playing and everybody was on drum.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
It was it was way more. It was more innocent
because we didn't know what we didn't know. I mean,
listen when I came up because of this, Dude, when
I came up, my heroes were all on blow. I
don't want to name names of the actors, but again,
you could do the math. They all lived on Mulholland,
and they all were single, and they all were getting
(17:50):
after it every single night and winning Academy Awards and
then roll the Laker games, and dude, I just modeled
my life after the after heroes.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Cocaine was regular and it was pure.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
It's what you did if you were if you were
successful and smart and by the way, in the beginning,
they thought it was good for you. Really, yeah, nobody
knew it hadn't brought a generation.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
To its knees yet.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, it hadn't.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And so again we didn't know what we didn't We
didn't know. It's like it's like anything else that we
know about how we treat people in the workplace. You know,
today is a completely different time. I mean, Warner Brothers
gave you know, all of us underage kids booze on
the set of The Outsiders studio.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's just people didn't know. We didn't know any better,
did that?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Why you and Tom Cruse got in a fight, y'all drunk?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
We weren't drunk when we fought.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
We were we were training. We were doing like a
fight night before there was a fight night in the
hallway because we're just young dudes, testosterone.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Real fight in that slat box like fight fight.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
And we had full gear on, head gear, gloves.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So you Tom Cruise, Matt, Dylan Patrick's wayde.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Matt didn't do any of the athletics, okay, non zero Matt.
I love Matt, most unathletic movie star whoever lived.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Patrick's wady god bleft to day.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
He was he was a baller, he was super athletic.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Another one, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was me. Amelia
and Tom were the ones who trained all the time.
And part of the training was boxing. And you know,
if I got off a clean one once and that
was the end, I just then Tom just went wild.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
So he was mad you hit him.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's just competitive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
But that's that's what it's like.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
If you guys were in college and screwing around with
your fellas in a frat or whatever, whatever that would
look like. Is what we did. Got you in the
hotel because we were eight, you know, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen
year old kids, And.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Where were your parents, Like when the executives were feeding
y'all booths and stuff like, where were the parents of
the guardians?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Well that was at eighteen, you didn't have to have
a guardian. I turned eighteen on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The set of The Outsiders.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
It was the drinking age in some states back then.
Again we didn't know, we didn't know. And but Tommy,
he was a kid. Tommy was fifteen and he was
just getting after it. Wow, pony boy, Tom Tommy, how okay?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Okay, pony boy sounds crazy. That was his nickname.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Yeah outside, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, pony was a
good nickname.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Would you ever make a movie about that era and
like really tell the truth?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I would?
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Well, I wrote a book about about it, and there's
a chapter or two, but there's more than a few
chapters called stories.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
I only tell my friends. You can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
There's some good stuff in it there, but I've never
really I may do a documentary.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm talking to some folks about doing a documentary.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Because I like what you said about you didn't know
what you just didn't know. That's right, and that's why
I think it's like even NOWADAYD. I don't think I
think Cancel Coach is over, but it's how do you
judge people for what they did?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Tell me what you think it's over?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I'm super curious because you sit right in the culture.
If anybody would know, you would know you, guys, why
why do you think it's over?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Because everybody realized this is circular firing squad and nobody's perfect,
and you're gonna end up taking either you're gonna get
shot and you end up taking out somebody that you
really care for. I don't think it's a circular firing squad.
It's not sustainable.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
I love that. I hope you're right.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, and you got to give people grace.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And I think everybody has some type of dirt or
something on them that you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You don't want it to fire back at you, for sure.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Right, it feels like it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Right, it feels like it's coming to an ad a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I forgot what I even asked you.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I'm sorry. I turned it around and asked you a question.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know what it is you do? Have you got
eighties dreamy eyes? Bro? You turn like this.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
I gave you the the Robert Redford half over exactly. Yeah,
it's just when you're kind of half over your shoulder exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Old Bobby Redford invented that ship.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Who's Bobby Redford?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Robert Redford?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh? Should see me? Called hole making like Hollywood? Now?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Do I like it?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:08):
It's funny because so we're here promoting the show. Right,
My son is twenty eight? He so I remember that era.
I mean I was already married and sober by twenty eight.
But you know, my point being, he's a young actor
in New York City, just you know, it's the hit.
The world is his oyster, and I look at what
(22:30):
how he sees the world visa via Hollywood and everyth
and how I see it. And you know, he's down
at the Bowery and he's got this one and that one.
He's walking around, he's doing his thing, and all I
want to do is run the reservoir in Central Park,
get some room service, and.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Go to bed. And because.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
So do.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I love Hollywood. I love working in Hollywood. I love
what happens when people come together to create. I love
the adrenaline of what is the next thing. I love
when people on the street stop and say, hey, I
can't wait for und stable or.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I've seen it.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I love all of that. That never gets old. But
everything else around it been there, done that.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I just wonder what's missing because y'all came up in
a time and everybody was a fucking mess. But it
never seemed like that mess really leaked out to the public,
unless like it was like an extreme, extreme situation. But
now it just seems like everybody's stuff is out there.
I don't know if it's social media, it's self inflicted
in social media.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Well, Listen, if you went to a nightclub or whatever
and in the day and we're doing whatever you were doing,
and everybody saw it. Who theyre going to tell? They
tell somebody and they don't believe it or whatever. And
now we're a place where you photograph it or say
(23:54):
it's happening right now, and it's everybody knows everything. And
I think I think that's that's it. And also people
are also much more open. I mean, there's a time,
you know, young young folks can't even fathom this where
you didn't even come in and do what I'm doing,
Like you didn't see Warren Batty, Like my I'm talking
(24:15):
about movie star icons right at the time, you didn't
see Warren Batty do any interviews for anything. It's like
beneath them, and and and then on and on and on.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So again, like now.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
You've got if you're opening them, if you're doing Twister,
you got them running around the country doing doing song
and dance numbers in every city to open up that movie.
And that that didn't you know, it was way way
more private.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
But that's because it was it because y'all were proven
movie stars already. Though, So it's just like if we
noticed group of people are going to be in a movie.
A'll Warren Baty started movie. I'm going to see it.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
That's exactly. That's also part of it.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
You're right, there's you know, there were three networks.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
On TV, so many other options.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Now you have so many, and everything's so segmented. So
whatever you're in do, there's a whole silo just for
you and and that and what you're into can be
as niche as niche niche niche can be, and you
can find your community. And in the old days, you
know that those niche entertainment needs went unfulfilled and so
(25:17):
all you had was broad entertainment.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Will there ever be any new movie stars ever again?
Will there ever be a.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Not like there were?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Because the world's different, I mean not like there were.
And I think I wonder it's the same musicians, it's
the same movies. It's funny athletes, though there are still
superstars like they used to be, even maybe more so today,
But in movies and music, I feel like you're never
going to see the likes of the kind of stars
(25:50):
that were created when stars had to really earn their
way in.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think the athletes might not be the same though,
because the athletes of that era actually cared about winning
more than anything.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh, don't get me started.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know. So it's like when you that's how you
become an icon due the reason you look at Jordan,
when you look at Jordan's Magic or Brady is because
they actually won people.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Well they were they were as interested, if not more. Well,
here's the thing I just I you go back.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
To to the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
It's like, it's so hard for me to watch the
NBA now because I just know all those guys are
are bros. Well, they definitely are because they're talking about,
hey do we want to play together here?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
And there?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Can you imagine that conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Going on between Charles Berkley and Magic or Patrick Ewing
and and no, they wanted.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
To murder each other out on the floor.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
So it's just a different Again, it's I'm not saying
it's better or worse, but.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's not the same.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You consider bron a Laker.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Again, that's it.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
No, he's got championships with multiple teams, but that doesn't
make him not a Laker. I'm talking about yeah, yeah,
I say multiple multiple teams.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm talking about stature. You would you want a statue
of bron in front of the Staples Center.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Sure, oh yeah, I mean he won a championship. He's he's,
you know, the in the top three. I'm gonna in trouble.
Whoever played one, two or three?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah, but if you an all time lag.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Cridinal, he's not an all time Laker.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
He's not because because he is. And I don't mean
this as a pejorative, but he's a little bit of
a mercenary.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
He goes as he should, He goes he wants to go,
does he wants to do? Why wouldn't he? But that
culture didn't exist. I mean again, you would never remember
when Michael couldn't get past Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Do you remember that Cleveland?
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You remember that?
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Remember that era?
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Okay, so what if Michael had said, you know what,
I'm gonna go play Brad Dherty in Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Brad Darty and Mark Price.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But Mike Price, those guys, but.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They were remember they were killing him. So it's just
a different different time. Robert the go Yeah, I know,
all right, Rob, You guys guys are the sickest watches.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I'm sorry, thank you, it's just a little something.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Just a little nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Thank you. You're watching clean too, though.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yes it is absolutely I went my day, my day
one every.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Day, that's it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Every day.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's every day, paddics every day. I'm not mad at you.
Come on, Ladies and Gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Unstable Season two premieres August first on Netflix and Rob Loow.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
We appreciate you for joining us.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
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Speaker 1 (28:24):
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