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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Morning. Everybody is the j n V.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The building, one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Celebrate in the twentieth anniversary of the Motivation One on
one Ladies and gentlemen, j.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Z what I'm doing, What I'm doing, what's happening? Good morning?
Good morning. How you feeling, brother man, great man, better
than most, you know what I mean? Great?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I would need I would say I was talking to
somebody yesterday this is the other day and he was like, yeah,
I'm my way to Jez House.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm like for what He was like, I'm opening up
for Jesus.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I said, what you mean to open up?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's like gz DJ as a Hoby used to do
it to shut up.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
He was like, yes, DJ, Yeah, you know I used
to DJ back in the day when I was, you know,
young in the hood.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know what I'm saying. I hustled up on.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
The DJ set and uh, I was just going the hood,
just DJ on people's borges.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That was kind of my thing. But that's how I
got into music. You know what I'm saying. So for me,
it's just like it's like a pastime.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But you know, like the great Andre three thousand said,
if you can't find a vibe, you gotta create it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So I just.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Invite dope people over to my crib, you know what
I'm saying. Curate it. You know, we might do some
some red wine and Popeye's Chicken, and I might throw
the set and we just get a cracking vibe.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
So that's how you've been feeling like you haven't been
finding a vibe late least you've been trying to create one.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, you know, I like to travel a lot, you
know what I'm saying, And I like to live, but
also I like to you know, like turn people onto
what I've learned when I've been around the world. So
it's just like different types of music, different types of curacis.
So it's just dope to have people come up to
your houses you trust and just vibe. You know, people
get tired of going our cameras everywhere. You know, some
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very distinguished black people in Atlanta and they like to
really live. So I just like, come over to my
crib man, we just hang out, you know what. I'm
saying it's dope, though, is.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It like, is it all rapid?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
No, No, it was like no, it was like you
play everything, yeah, house music, old school, Yeah, it's vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I got so, I
got a little soup, I got a little something. You
should come nick safe.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know, I'm you're gonna tell about everybody in the house.
Whoever in the house, I tell you everybody year anniversary
and one of the greatest hip hop albums?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What does it feel like mentally to have to revisit
that era?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
To be honest with you, it feels like that album
was supposed to happen, uh, and even twenty years later,
just the the obstacles that I had to go through to,
you know, get this tour going and everything, it just
feels like deja vu. But the but the consequences are
not dire. They just real life things and you got
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to show your adversity. And it feels like I was
just talking to somebody about the other day. It's just like, now,
Soul Survivor really resonates with me. It makes sense, you
know what I'm saying, Because I'm a soul surviving and
I'm listening to the word. I'm like, oh, this is me,
this is who I am. You know when I wrote it,
it was a record. Now this is my life and
it's just like to be twenty because you got to think,
like you think about Park and Big you know, what
(03:10):
would they what would they have done twenty years in
the game.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Celebrating all eyes on me life after death twenty years later.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, I don't know. Park might have been DJ
in his basement.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I don't know what I'm saying, but I'm living life
and I'm going through you know, one of those stages
where you know, you get to watch the game line
wash the streets. You know what I'm saying. I'm in
this world, but I'm not of it, you know what
I'm saying. So I get to watch it. But at
the same time, I already put my work in so
I get to sit back. But I'm dealing with real
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stuff now, running companies and doing deals and and you know,
empowering other people. So it's now I got to really
practice my skills of leadership, but with my catalog behind me,
because I can stand on that because it's solid you
know what I'm saying. So I'm not you know what,
I'm frank badly amazed. I could keep going if I
wanted to, but.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I got to.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You have survivors remorse at all because I used to.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You have so many people that you ran in. Yeah,
I used to. But everybody know me, they know what
I'm solid. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But at the same time, my life is about peace,
join freedom, and I ain't e I'm saying that to
say a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Survive the war. Baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It's like I ain't got no reason to go back
and then to approve you know what I'm saying. I'm
just trying to live my life, make sure my people straight,
you know, put me into people as I could put
on and keep you know, just you know, just inspiring
and involving my culture, which is why I'm even doing
this symphony tour, which is crazy because I think I'm
the first one to ever take a symphony around the
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world to do a tour. You know what I mean
to celebrate, you know, my first debut album, which is
about three four times platinum.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I ain't checked last.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Time, but I can't motivation on one.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and it's crazy because it's like, you know, the
only time I remember putting on the suit is for
a funeral or wedding. It's a celebration and it's not
just about it's not just about you know, the music,
It's about everybody who came along with his journey with me.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That will celebrate.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Think about where you was twenty years ago, you know
what I'm saying, Where you were twenty years ago, where
y'all at now, it's a celebration of that because that
music reminds you of that time you was out there grinding.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But look what you grind it too.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So this is a reason for everybody put on a
suit in a nice black dress and come out and celebrate.
And I do want to say this, this is not
this is not the opera.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You're not gonna sit down and cross your legs. This
is a party, you know what I'm saying. At the
same time, you know, shout out to Adam Blackstone. You know,
he helped me produce it. De Hodges, he wrote the music.
He's actually conducting it. Those brothers are crazy about DJ
drama with me, So you know, it's a part that
got dj A's with me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's a celebration saying.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
When you were making this album twenty years ago, right,
were you just making songs or were you thinking the future?
Were you thinking because you look at a lot of
people in the industry and the catalog is not strong,
right that first album, the catalog's not strong.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They can't go on tour.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Were you thinking about that when you're writing this first
album or was it just I'm just trying to get
out the hood.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm just I was.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Just trying to stay alive and free, and I just
wanted to be heard. And the reason why that album
is so solid is because I put everything in that.
You know, I didn't have another shot, you know what
I'm saying. It wasn't like no label was looking for me.
You know what I'm saying. I had spent all these
all these all this money to build this buzz and
I had this one opportunity. And you gotta think, like
(06:33):
I lost my voice, I tore my vocal cords, you know,
I had Bell's part. Like all these things happened at
one time, and I'm just like I was humbled and
the album got leaked four weeks before it came out.
Think about that. I was up against all that and
I'm still like praying, you know what I'm saying, And
it happened. So when I look back twenty years ago,
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like I didn't realize what I was doing, but I
know to change the dejectory of my family and our
generation of wealth and getting my family in a better
place that this is all I had, you know what
I'm saying. So I put everything in that trappa dye
in this.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Everything, by the way, I probably you know it was
riding around. You're still getting.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It right, statute of limitations or put that out there.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know, it's interesting what you said about the record
sol survivor, because at that point in your life you
had survived to a certain extent, but you didn't you
didn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No, I mean you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I didn't really even start celebrating life until the recession.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wow, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I was out of it, bro I was drinking, smoking, living.
I'm just holding on, you know what I'm saying, because
I didn't know then I woke up one day It's like, damn,
I'm still free, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, at any moment it could go yeah, and
ain't nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's some type of stress you don't even want, you
know what I'm saying, because it's just it's every day,
it never stops, and you're always on edge. You're living
from uh you know, you're living from a survival mindset,
you know I'm saying. And you know when I woke
up on that day when I started to work on
the Recession, That's when I realized what abundance was.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I'm saying because now I'm like, I'm a superstar. You know,
I was telling them the other day. Man, I got
in the gym, got myself together. My first show in
Boston for the Recession tour. You know, I get the
stage and I'm telling the security guard, Hey, yo, they
throwing stuff at me. We got to get out here
and get down. He's like, sir, No, their panties like this.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know what I'm saying, object.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Bros and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And I'm like, Yo, this is this is different because
you got to think when I was doing shows, when
Doug Motivation came out, all the gangsters in the front.
You know what I'm saying, all the all the hustlers.
It wasn't no women. I didn't have any women fans.
You know, shout out to the women fans out there,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I didn't have that.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
So when you put that record, the record with Tree
songs on the album, that was I'm trying to tell you, Jesus,
you got to make something for the lead.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That was me trying to do a record with Trey.
Oh okay, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. You ever
hung out with Trigger Drey? Yes? Yeah, it makes you
want to do records like this. I need that. I
need that about life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Emotionally? Do you ever get triggered when you're on stage
performing some of those records though?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, I mean, especially like lately, because I'm so seasoned
with it that, you know, everything is like a sermon
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I don't take dislikely and I don't I'm in a
space where i'm I'm I'm you know, I'm definitely I'm
blessed and I'm grateful to still have people that understand
what my mission is because it's my purpose, it's who
I am. Like, you know, a lot of people do
this because it has money or some type of uh
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you know, some some type of something behind it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But this is who I am every day, Like this
is my life.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Like when I walk out of here and I go
walk downstairs and I see somebody, they ain't talking about
the song. They talking about me, like we like, I
keep doing what you're doing because we live in through you.
So for me, it's just like some of those songs,
especially like twenty years later to see it, because I'm
gonna be honest, like Soul.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Survivor hits so different.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It hits so different, like because back then it was
a great song, you know, shout out to kids. Stewart,
you know, Recipeace he made me put that on the album.
You know what I'm saying. But my whole thing was
like I want to go trap or die, you know.
And imagine if I would have listened to that myself
and stayed on that trajectory.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And then where is that now?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Because when I'm doing this Soul Surviving arenas and I'm
looking at these kids, I'm looking at these people, I'm
like I want to do they realize like this is
who I am, you know what I'm saying, and this
is me living my dream being on the stage and
I'm still getting standing ovations twenty years later, you know
what I'm saying. So I don't know nobody else that
can say that they're soul survivor and mean it like that.
(10:49):
So yeah, that record means a lot to me. And
even Trapper died, you know what I'm saying. It's just
like that's real. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But you're not sitting on the block with your thank
God no more.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Nah. But we'll talk about that offline.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But I was gonna ask, does the street mentality actually leave?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right? So if you see I.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Mean, and you've been around Jay and you're seeing his
evolution of being always looking over his shoulder to now
when I see him walking in the buildings, it's like free,
I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And when I see fifty more, yeah, he feels more free.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, Like there's always I mean, but I still got
it because I'm not exempt, but I understand what it is.
But you know, I carry myself with a level of integrity.
So it's just like, as long as I feel like
it's mutual respect, I don't feel like the need to
even have to watch the room. But I will tell
you this, I've been on a journey for about like
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almost eight nine years now, you know what I'm saying.
But I can tell you at this point of my life,
like I'm really at peace, Like I don't worry about
the things that I can't control, and that is including people,
you know what I'm saying. So for me, it's just
like I don't you know, everybody know me. I float
around my with any city.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
What got you there? Because it took you a long
time to get there? What got you there?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Work therapy, therapy, work, h journal and meditating all that,
you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not even gonna
hold you like it's real. And when you wake up
and you start to realize like okay, and you can
emotionally regulate and you and you know who you are,
you have nothing to prove. There's no better feeling, you
know what I'm saying, because I don't got to prove anything.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And by the way you.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Can see, you can tell because people are attracted to
that because they can tell that that's how you feel.
Piece attracts peace, Chaos attracts chaos anyway around that. You
know what I'm saying. If you if you got nervous energy,
you're gonna tract nervous people. I ain't invite no nervous
people to my house. Watch me, DJ.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know that, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I want to go back. You mentioned j Z.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Do you remember the moment when jay Z told you
that album was a classic? I remember reading that and
maybe double.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He said to me.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
He said to me, you got a brand. He texts me.
He was like, you got a brand. And I didn't
know what that meant at first, but you know, twenty
years later, I can see that what he meant, like
you actually stand for something and people understand what that is. Right,
So it's almost like your bread could be anything. But
(13:12):
my brain has always been motivation, you know what I'm saying.
But if you coming out with your first album, it's
hard to tell people you're motivating people.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But twenty years later, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I'm still doing what I know how to do best,
and that's what he was trying to get me to see.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Like stay there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know what I'm saying, Because you know, music was changing.
You know, we all want to be hot, but it's
like when you when you when you're on fire in
the inside, you don't need to be on fireside. You
know what I'm saying. I ain't got to chase nothing.
But then I would have you know what I'm saying.
You know, like you know it was snap music, it
was crunk music. I had to figure it out. You know,
I'm rapping it and I'm making songs that are the Temple,
you know, seventy two. You know, you think about knock
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if you buck. You know that was up there. So
I'm in the club competing with that, thinking, man, maybe
I should, you know. But he was more saying like
stay there, you're good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, but didn't he tell you that that album was
a classic?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah he did. He did. He hit me up.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
He was just like yo, I think when he heard
it for the first time because I played it for him,
you know what I'm saying. And yeah, he definitely told me.
He was like, Yo, this this one here gonna live
with you. And you know me, I was already on
to the next one. I was like, what I'm to
do for the next album, because you know how it
is you living from you know, you're living from that
place survivor.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You're like, man, if.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
This worked, I gotta be ready to go in because
that's a lot of pressure, you know what I'm saying.
I don't know if that helped me when he told
me it was a classic, because you know, back then,
you know, I was a little wild, So that got
to you know that that definitely, uh, you know, made
my head a little bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So that definitely, you know, like that to my ego.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Did you ask him to get on Dope Boy Go Crazy? Yes?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Absolutely, I remember playing it. So first of all, that
record was a record that I heard when I was
over somebody else's trap house and they was playing this
Tip mixtape. I think it was Down with the King
and I was just over there and I was kicking
and it was playing it. They asked me that I
hear it, and I heard that I heard him rapping
over to Go Crazy, and I'm like damn, I said,
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who made the beat?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
There was like Don Cannon. So I left and I
called Don Cannon.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I was like, yo, I need a beat like that,
and then he said why not use that beat? And
I said, okay, what you mean and he said tipped
And by the beat he just rapped over. I was like,
bet where you at and pull up on you. Now
you know what I'm saying right now? I got the
I got the record. I had a meeting in Death Jam,
so I flew in. Me and coach k flew into
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UH to New York.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That morning. He picked me up from the studio. We
flew in.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
We flew back that same night. On the way back,
I wrote go crazy on the plane. You know what
I'm saying flying back to Atlanta. Recorded that night, I
had three verses. Death Jam came about two weeks later,
and it was all in pass works and I played
the whole album and when I got to that song,
it was all clapping when it was done, and I
was like, Yo, by the way, I'm putting jay Z
on the song. I said, y'all need to work that out.
(15:52):
To La read that, yeah, speak of the existence. And
one day for the BT Awards, I was out in
LA and who called me to his hotel.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's like, Yo, come by to come by the hotel.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So we sit upstairs and this suite outside on the patio,
smoking cigars, just talking because we never talked about music.
We always talk about life. And then he was like, uh,
what verse You're gonna take off? And I was like,
we mean and then he was talking about go Craze.
I had three verses and then he said, uh, I'm
doing it, by.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The way, and I was like, take it. You can
take them all off. That's what you want to do.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I still on the hook, and I remember I never
forget it. We was at kDa in New York. I mean,
I'm sorry in LA and Coach K walk in like
we're doing an interview like this. Coach K walk in.
He was like I got it, and I'm like what
He's like? I got the jay Z versus me a interview.
I told the guy, I think it's Julio. I said, Julio,
you got We stopped the interview. I got hold up
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and I go outside and I told him to come
in the hallway. Coach played press play and I heard that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Verse more than a hustle on the Death Kitchen cover.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I was happy at first, but then I started thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
That it's okay records.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Ever, yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I was. I was like, damn, okay, how did this work?
You know? I think I got him back on seeing
it all though, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Motivation one on one.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Is there a record that didn't make the album because
of clearance or for whatever reason that you said, Damn,
I wish that one made that album.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, it was a bunch of like mixtape stuff that
didn't make it. And the thing about it is like
the album really got pressured out. You know what I'm saying.
Because one of the interns who was up there, who
was trying to get his beats on the album, we'll
get a beat on the album. You know, I never
did anything on his records, and I left my drives
(17:54):
at Patchworks, So I guess he got mad and leaked
the album four weeks before it came out. So now
Bell's palsy, uh my vocal cords. All these things happening
at once, and now the album's leaked. So now I'm
sitting there and I'm like, what am I gonna do?
(18:17):
Because now I got to think of the next plan.
So I can't go back to the streets. You know
what I'm saying, Because now I'm like, damn, like this
is it, And I'll never forget I went to pass Works.
You know, I caught a lawsuit. I'll say that, you
know what I'm saying, Because I had.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
To bring the books.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Read right and and uh, you know, actually it helped me,
you know what I'm saying. So you know what they say,
no no weapon, you know, form against me, so possible
help me because it went to all the bootlegs and
it spread it everywhere. And the thing that I had
the most anxiety about out of every thing was I
had to pick a single right. And on mixtapes they
try to put that they pick it for you. So
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by the time he leaked it and it was already going,
I didn't know what I was going with. And I
was still pushing trapa Dye the song, and the label
called me and Secure called me. He's like yo, He's like, yeah,
you can shoot trapa Dive. That's what you want to do.
We're shooting Soul survivor how do you want to shoot
the video. Came to Brooklyn, shot the video. Everybody showed up, Hold,
Jim Jones, Cameron, you name it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It was It was festive and the video you know,
we did it like paid him full. It was crazy.
It was probably one of the most memorable moments in
my career. You know what I'm saying, Because you know,
you always heard stories about Brooklyn, like, ain't nobody come
to Brooklyn. They're like, Jesus, we love you, Like I'm
I'm out in Brooklyn shooting the video and everybody from
the blocks coming out and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The whole label was there.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
A lot of guys from Atlanta came in like it was,
it was, it was it And when the video came out,
it was gone. And I didn't And I told I
was telling somebody that I knew Akon from being around
the way because it was like him and Boo.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I couldn't tell him apart, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So I didn't realize he was that big overseas and
I didn't. And then this was the first collaboration that
I've ever done, so I didn't realize doing a record
with somebody that you can actually tap into their fan
base too, on a national level or a global level, right,
And I ain't know that. So it went from me
being able to walk through the airport, you know what
I'm saying seven a m. To catch my flight to
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like now I'm walking through the airport. Everybody, Hey, con
I like, where you from?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Brother Africa? Man? We love you.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm like, oh man, you know what I'm saying. So
it was love and it was just like one thing
I say about the boy Khin. He's different, you know
what I'm saying, because he's over there, you know, and
they love him.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I shows with him in Africa and I'm like, okay,
like what is going on? Nobody knows who I am,
but know who you are. And he was like, you
got to be over here a little bit more. And
I love that, you know what I'm saying. And we
over the years hit me up, you know, over the
years we always stayed locked in.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Hear me up.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The other day, I was like, yo, we number one
on TikTok. I don't even know what that means, but
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Really flippir of the judge, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, probably why he got them ten.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I'm trying to get him off for about phone and
a half. But yeah, yeah, shout out to ma'a man.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm shocked that you didn't know that you were such
a taxable. I'm really sitting here like how did you not?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I mean, you know, like in the you know, like
I didn't know that then, you know what I'm saying,
cause you got to think like back then when I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know, I was I'm five eight, I was two sixty,
skin bad. I want drinking water. My danet was waffle
House and Crystal.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You know what I'm saying, I'm partying all day because
I didn't know if I was going to be home
for real.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah I was in.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh yeah yeah yeah, not get it now.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I mean even on the intellectual level, like I know
that I can sit down smart with the best of them.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We saw you with Neil.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah shot and then I.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Said I was even saying a lot of women in
the commons saying, oh after the divorce, man, he looked
even better.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh wow, I received that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I know that that was like an intense time.
You know, last year, you're going through all of that,
even with you know, the custody battle she did win
and everything.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Where are things with you on your ex now?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Peace? Yeah? Peace?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I just I'm I'm all about understanding.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm all about what's best for everybody, the greater you know,
the greater good. And it's just like I'm just telling you,
like my life, I tell myself this every day, like, man,
this is amazing. I don't got no enemies. I ain't
got no issues. I don't want no enemies. I don't
want no issues. I just want peace. I just want
joy and I just want freed. I love my freedom.
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You know what I'm saying, Like I love it, like
you just talk about I came up here independently. I
just call like I'm coming to the breakfast club. You
know what I'm saying. Like I ain't got a check in,
I ain't gotta you know, I ain't got to talk
to no label. I ain't got to do nothing to
shout out to death jam. I love y'all. But it's
just like freedom and ownership is is everything. You know
what I'm saying, Especially when you're talking art, you're talking culture,
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talk to your mind. You know what I'm saying, Like
I've worked hard my whole life. This is like this,
this is the season of me. You know what I'm saying.
I'm putting myself first. It all costs, you know what
I'm saying. It's just like my piece is everything. Like
everybody didn't know me. Know that, you know what I'm saying.
They calm and be like, yeah, bro, Like I love you,
but don't call me even nothing crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I want to ask you know, how was that because
you're very private, very private person, but that was so
public did not irk you at all, like everybody in
your business talking about you.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Well, I had to come to the realization that I
know who I am and that nobody else can't tell
me different. So as long as I stayed on the
path of integrity and staying true to myself, it wasn't
nothing really to worry about because anybody didn't know me,
Like I mean, I even heard y'all was up here, like, no,
I know, I know Jezu you know that. But that's
that's because my reputation exceeds me. I'm like, I ain't
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on I ain't on nothing, you know what I'm saying.
That's I need to be you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So it's just like it comes with the territory, you
know what I'm saying, he who wears the crown. It's
just like, you know, people talked about Jesus, you know
what I'm saying, They're gonna talk about everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Everybody's not gonna like you.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Now, if I'm a good person to you and you
don't like me, then there's a problem. But if you
don't like me because of what you heard or what
you think, then I ain't none of my spiritual business.
I can't do nothing about that, you know what I'm saying.
I can't even convince you because your mind has made up. However,
if you know me and we had some type of
interaction and action, I haven't done anything wrong to you,
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then that says more about you than me, because now
you judge and now you judge me. There's no judgment
here because I'm not perfect by far. But if I
haven't done anything to you, then you can't take that
position because you know, the people around me got real
love for me and my friends in my circle, like
I never felt any type of just but the people
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who wasn't for me of course, and that I mean
that did me a solid. Now I ain't got to
even worry about cutting you off.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know what I'm saying, would get married again? Hit
me up. I'm gonna be all the way on it.
I love my freedom and it has nothing to do
and has nothing to do with anything in the past.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I just love my freedom, you know what I'm saying,
Like I love it, you know I think like partners
are amazing, you know, I would think.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So, how did you feel when the Internet said you
were you were trying to holler at me along by
any means necessarily.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It wasn't lying, It was not lying. I don't know,
but I was real. Men, I never cheated like that. No,
I don't cheat me like that. I'm saying, like, that's
a little hanging fruit. If I'm not, I'm like, then
we got to be married. Like, I'm just not a cheater.
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That's like, I'm not gonna cheat my friends, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Not I'm not. That ain't in my blood.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But but but you said I was trying to holler. Yeah,
I was, you know, but I had to be respectful
because I was still you know, finalizing, you.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So it was hard. It was tough saying focus.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
They don't link it with everybody. They don't link you everybody, Vanity.
The other day, when you did that, they.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Would do that. They would do.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We love Cynthia. Man shout out to Cynthia. That's a home.
You know what I'm saying. No, No, now the other one.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, I just said on that real quick on.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh, absolutely everything is filized. Park Leta hit the Park.
But I'm not gonna play about that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So you said you might see her at some of
these shows.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I mean, listen, she's invited. I know she has a
beautiful black dress. He's definitely invited.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I do want to know what what inspired you to
reimagine the album in this way though, because I'm sitting
I'm like your symphony orchestra, black tie, twist.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Your fingers up back.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Man. But when we did it with the we did
it in Atlanta was the first one.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It was.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
There's no feeling like that because there was a lot
of people that I saw and by the way, I've
been trying to do this.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
For you know, at least five years.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
But it was like so many people that I saw
in the crowd that I knew personally that I was
just proud of where they was at because they're successful
this and that, but they don't want to come to
a show where they feel I want to bring my
woman out, I want to get you. I want to
go to dinner before and hit the spot after. This
is a celebration. This isn't a show or a concert.
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This is a one night you know, one man, one
mic thing, and it's just like, why not celebrate the
evolution of it? And also I would like to add
that I feel like it's my moral obligation because I
was the one that told these kids that trapa down.
I feel like it's my moral obligation to show them
evolution in this and that you don't have to change
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to evolve, you know what I'm saying. It's like, if
you make art, it should grow with you, right, it shouldn't.
You shouldn't have to be a different person, because I
think that's why they run into the roadblocks. It's just
like I gotta be thug forever, you know what I'm saying.
And that's if that's how you feel, that's how you feel.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I ain't gonna gotta be on the block with my
you know what I'm saying. Like now I'm in the boardrooms,
right and that's okay. And my thing is my is
my mind because I know I'm a lot of water
dos and I don't been through enough to know that
if the press is on, I'm not worried about losing
my job. They may be I'm gonna make sound decisions
because I've been through it before, so that's my gift.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But for the.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Culture, it hurts me to know these young men and
to see them in these situations. I care bro Like,
I don't care what nobody These are my These are
like my little brothers, and I know I can't change them, right,
so I can't judge them. The only thing I could
do is what I saw, like hold them do for me.
Just leave by example, you know what I mean, Just
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do your thing and just leave the door open or
the back door at least, because it's not easy, like
to even get to this point and all the turmoil
and those that got closed on me just to even
do this this project, you know what I'm saying. I
had to really really realize, like, okay, you still you
So you gotta really, you know, do this the right
way and it's on your own. But you gotta realize
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they ain't gonna let just let you in this.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Door like that.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But so I got to make sure I leave the
door open for the kids. It's coming up with the
generation behind it because if you really look at it,
when Trappa Daye dropped up motivation all this, if you've
seen the influx of street cats, that got into music
because there was like man, I saw Jesus, I know
people that he actually was affiliated with, got down with
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whatever cities he'd been to, whatever, So I know, if
he can do it, I can do it. The only
problem is the rules are different because ain't nobody, ain't
no big homies, so it's like the wild, wild West,
you know what I'm saying. It's probably why I'm listening
to the house music these days, you know what I'm saying,
because it's like I love the music, but it's a
different vibration, so I don't need that all day. I
can listen to it in the gym, right, but I'm
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not gonna listen to it, you know when I get
up in the morning to go do what I gotta do,
because I want to keep it, you know. But at
the same time, I feel like it's my more gason,
like in my heart, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's my purpose to inspire and to help culture evolve,
Like that's that's my purpose.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Do you have conversations with the younger artists? And the
reason I ask is yeah, it's like you said, you know,
we talk about it all the time. We did a
lot of super stuff back then, but there was none
of this. There was no internet, right, They weren't telling
on themselves. But now it just seems like it's the
cool thing to tell everybody what you did, hate it
illegal or not, which is the wow.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Crazy because there's no integrity and there's nobody to follow,
which is why I don't do a lot of interviews.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know what I'm saying. I come talk to y'all.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
We don't kick it, but I don't got nothing to
say to somebody who's looking for ignorance. For me, you
know what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm still operating by
the cold. You know what I'm saying. These people are
moving the goalposts. I don't like that. I don't want
to play in that game. You know what I'm saying.
Every time it's something different. Why is it something different
for them or not me, you know what I'm saying,
or us? So for me, I feel for them because
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they don't got nobody to follow, you know what I'm saying.
And there's nothing like giving somebody this because you got
to think about it. One got the type of money
he got, but he ain't get Lebron money for playing.
So they're giving them a different type of money, and
they're using the money. They still got trauma, they still
got things going on that's so important to them that
they feel like they got to deal with. But now
you're giving them money to few the war.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I seen this kid on TikTok A Couples. Remember I
showing you that video. The dude was literally in his
room crying to his girlfriend because his object came up
on some money, right, and the way he was serious,
he was like, man like, man, they're gonna have all
the type of choppers and switching you ain't fair.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm like, yeah, first of all, while you're recording this one.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's probably trying to get a safe haven.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know who it is.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I don't respect it. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I said I wasn't gonna talk about it when I
came up here because I feel like, ain't none of
my spiritual business. But as somebody who's been in the game,
a part of the game and in this world or
not of it, I just don't respect it. Ain't no integrity.
Like everybody getting up here, they talking too much. They're
saying too many things, and that's okay. Then the next
generation gonna do the same thing and even worse, it
even worse. And I'm only concerned about the culture because
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at some point, when nobody respects it no more, they're
not going to respect the art form.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It don't even matter what you say. It'll be like
we'll be obsolete.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You know what I'm saying, Cause at nothing ain't no
there ain't no integrity behind what we're doing or saying,
because we're doing anything, and it looks like we're doing
anything for money, right, and I don't like that because
I'm not doing anything for money.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I probably turned down more than I accept because it
got to be in line with my purpose.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And that's just me. I'm not asking nobody else to
be that way.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But when you speak of a culture, you can see
why people kind of stay away from it because they're
kind of like, I don't know if I want to
be affiliated with that, you know what I'm saying, because
I don't. I don't, you know, And if all my
kids are going to think is that you know that
I was an artist, and that's it. I'm a father first,
I'm a man first, you know what I'm saying. I'm
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a CEO first. You know what I'm saying, I'm a
big brother first. You know what I'm saying, I'm all
the things. I'm a son, you know. So we can't
just get categorized and boxed into what we are as
far as coach and go live that out, because then
if something happened to your kids, are the ones that suffering.
You know, ain't nothing like having a daddy that was
rich and now we ain't got nothing because he made
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a decision for what he thought was right.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
They had nothing to do with anybody. And you asked
me earlier.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
And I ain't calling no names because I ain't trying
to call nobody out because I love them, bro, I
don't want to set on these catch beds in their
house and they room like, hey man, we got to talk,
bro like on a call, like hey man.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
What you got going? Bro Like, come pull up on me.
Let's talk about this. Man. I'm did to so many times.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And I think that the disconnect is when they when
these labels are giving these kids these type of money, money.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Equals respect to them.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So it's like, I'm not listening to you because you
ain't doing nothing for me. And I got this, which
is fine now sustaining it is a whole different conversation,
but even keeping you because now you got the change
to change generational wealth, you know what I'm saying, or.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Either put those kids in.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It's a difference between your kids going to to public
school in private school or having those type of friends
when they grow up, because that's what it's about, like
their relationships and who they're gonna meet and grow up
with and go to college with and all that. Because
it ain't about you. It's about your kids, right. But
just imagine that everything's going great, everybody's loving this new
life we got, and then you just make a decision.
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It's purely based on the motions and ego. And I
tell everybody, man, a bad day for the ego is
a great day for the soul.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Because I've had to make so many unpopular decisions, but
it all worked out for me because I'm in peace
right and I ain't gotta play, you know what I'm saying.
It's like I don't got to play the game because
if you come over here, you know what I'm saying,
We're gonna be in the right. It's not even it
ain't even about being gangs. It's about being a man.
It's just like I don't want to be nothwhere around it.
I love y'all. You can come one on you know,
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one on one, but don't bring all your partners. I
don't want to be bothered that, you know what I'm saying,
But I feel for them because you know, it's a
lot of web pendles in that penitentium.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Man, you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I do want to say.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
In regard to the music you used to make twenty
years ago, you can't beat yourself up about that because
you was doing the best.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You could with the information you had at the time.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
And when I listened a third motivation one on one
that don't just a hustle is a hustle, I don't
mean that leaving me.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To no no, no.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And I don't want you to think that I'm tripping.
I'm saying because I always knew it was a position
of leadership. I always understood that now what I was
going through. When I was going through, I just wised
up over time and started listening to the people who's
really trying to help me right, because they really were,
and they were people that I wouldn't expect, you know
what I'm saying. There were people that was reaching out
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having these conversations, but I took key and I was
just like, Okay, tell me about that. And you gotta
stay curious, you know, you got to ask the questions.
And then when you start seeing what's happening around you,
it goes back to the streets. Like I knew what
not to do based off of how I saw these
people getting into trouble. So I'm like, I don't want
to do that. I ain't the jail type. I'm gonna
tell you right now. I can't see sitting nowhere and
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not being PRODUCTI so I don't want to even put
myself in a position like that without me having to
you know what I'm saying. But I don't regret anything.
I don't regret my hard times. I don't regret my lows.
I don't regret my highs. I don't regret my run ins.
I don't regret anything because it all taught me a lesson.
You know what I'm saying, And I stand that now
and I can say that whole hardly. So when somebody
comes and talk to me, I can say, bro look,
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I can't tell you what to do, but I'm gonna
gonna tell you, like, I don't know how that's gonna
work out, because this is what happened over here.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
This is what I've seen happen with this person. Now,
you could take.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
That data and that information, you could do whatever you
want with it, but I can assure you that if
you do that, there's gonna be some type of consequence.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
So when you when you go on a journey like this,
you know, for your your twenty years of thug motivation
one on one, does it make you like does it
make you reach out to like older people you came
up with? Like have you spoken to Big Meat?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yes? Solid? Solid? Okay, Yeah, everybody's solid.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm just peace. Man. My hom's love. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
For me, it's you know, I'm like I said, man,
it's all good me bro, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
All good?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
What's the deep album cut that you really enjoy performing
off Doug Motivation on one?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Man? I mean listen, bro, I can't get past intro,
you know what I'm saying. And you gotta you gotta
wait till you hear this with the with the Symphony.
You know what I'm saying with the symphony, and I
need everybody know I'm coming through your city. I'm coming
through your town. It's gonna be amazing one night only,
and you gotta pull up. And going back to your
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other question about me reaching back out, I think it's
more important for me to reach forward. So shout out
the LISK who I just partner with for my nonprofit space,
and shout out to the Urban League of Atlanta, who
I reached out with for my Young CEO program.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Because it's like, what is list I know you do
that with the Screen Dreams Foundation.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, list is is. So we got to two things
going right now.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
We definitely got the prostate cancer campaign going on because
I had a couple of friends that go through that,
so we were locked in there. But it's definitely fun entrepreneurs,
young entrepreneurs, you know tech spaces, just you have it
like we're showing them how to set up their lives
so that they can win.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And the same thing with the Urban League of Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Same thing. We got the Young CEO program. You can
go on my Instagram check it out. You know, anybody
from the ages, what's the agent seventeen to twenty four,
and we set it up. We're putting them with mentors
all that. And by the way, like this is who
I am. Like I love this. And somebody asked me,
how do you do both? They're all the same, you
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know what I'm saying. We still motivating. It's all the
same to me. You know, It's just we get to
jump on the stage, but then we get to go
help some people prostate against We get to jump on
the stage and we get to go help mentor some kids.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know, I love it.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And you're saving people, you know, and people can live
a much longer life if they just go.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
And I know I said this last time, but I
got to say it again because you saved me.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Shout out to Charlemagne for my New York Time best
selling book Adversity for Sale, because I ran into a
situation where I had an issue with a publishing company
and I called Charlemagne, like who published your book? And
he put me with somebody and we went on to
sell a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, so thank you, thank you, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
For all the years of motivation with the music.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
My last question, if you could go back and tell
two thousand and five GZ one thing before TM one
on one drop, what would it be?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Go harder?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Because I was a little reluctant because you know, I
was scared of failure, you know what I mean, because
I had so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So it was like real pressure. You know, it ain't nothing.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Like everybody looking at you like a way out, you
know what I'm saying. That pressure is on your shoulder,
But then you're also looking at yourself like if because
it's different if a record labels inquiring you and you
hide in the streets and on your like they're they're
pushing this issue like this is your money, this is
your time, this is your energy. So if it doesn't work,
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you know, nine times out of ten, you don't spend all.
You don't spend all your bread and now you got
to figure something else out and you don't turn your
back on everything you knew as far as like the
streets to take this chance. So I always said it
go harder because there was a lot of times where
I was like I was sitting back not being the
star that I could have been because I was having
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what did it called it impostra sentially, you know, because
I was in these rooms with these guys that was
really writing and really like this is what they been
doing their whole life. And I kind of just stumbled
into this. And it wasn't until I just realized that, like,
but you but you're real though, you are who you
say you are, and you don't have to be as witty.
You can be realer. And that was my thing. So
when I was saying if it's taken too long to
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lock up, I was talking to the people who knew
what I was talking about, So everybody wasn't gonna get there.
And that's the that's the that's what I had over
everybody else. I knew how to talk to the people
that mattered to me. And uh, it wasn't until I
really figured that out. It is when I was like, okay,
I could live in and like I said, it was
it was. I was three hours in before I woke
up and I was just like, I took that book
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bag with all those not bricks. I'man like waiting it
because it was heavy, and I just took it off
and through it and I was like, I'm going to
be a star. I'm going to be a star man,
you know. So thug motivation to me was a blur
because it was like it could have happened, it might
not happened, But everything I went through I'm grateful for
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even right now to this day, because there's nothing that
I go up against that I don't go what would
I done in two thousand and five?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You know what I'm saying? How would I worked around this?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
And I love it because when people put me into
you know, like if I get in situations with business
and then I called back and I called my team
the next thing and be like, Yo, we're gonna do this,
they'd be like, oh, man.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I knew it. We got them. You know what I'm saying,
because they tried to box me in. I figured it out.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
So yeah, answer in a lot of ways just towards
like you being able to relive that time but actually
enjoy the moment.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Enjoy the moment, man, And I want people to enjoy
with me. And I'm gonna say this, like this is
for us. You know, put your put your black suit on,
if you don't got a bow tie, put your black
dress on. Let's have a good time. Let's celebrate. Let's
celebrate you know, evolution, Let's celebrate life. Let's celebrate our wins,
our losses and everything like, let's have a good time
because I don't want to keep coming and we're doing
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like you know, you could do a show, but I
want an experience. You know what I'm saying. I want
you to see what I'm trying to say. And again,
this is a party. This is not uh, you know,
you just come and sitting down. You know, this is
not the opera. Shout out to the opera. But it's
not the opera, gotch.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We appreciate you for joining us. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Tickets.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Oh you go to gez It's TM one on one
live te dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Sir, we appreciate you for joining us. Let's definitely pulling.
Oh yeah, and I want to say this before I leave.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
New York is gonna be lit because I'm actually officially
closing down the Apollo. I'm doing the last show there
until they do the renovation, so they're gonna sit down
for the rest of the year. So I will be
having an official last show with them. It's gonna be crazy.
Look on the website to find out when I'm coming
through your city. Shout out to the Breakfast Club shout
out to you out.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, well there you have it. Yes, sir, it's jeezy.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
The Breakfast Club
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Morning. Everybody is the j n V.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Just hilarious.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Charlamagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got
a special guest in.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
The building, one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Celebrate in the twentieth anniversary of the Motivation One on
one Ladies and gentlemen, j.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Z what I'm doing, What I'm doing, what's happening? Good morning?
Good morning. How you feeling, brother man, great man, better
than most, you know what I mean? Great?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I would need I would say I was talking to
somebody yesterday this is the other day and he was like, yeah,
I'm my way to Jez House.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm like for what He was like, I'm opening up
for Jesus.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I said, what you mean to open up?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
It's like gz DJ as a Hoby used to do
it to shut up.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
He was like, yes, DJ, Yeah, you know I used
to DJ back in the day when I was, you know,
young in the hood.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You know what I'm saying. I hustled up on.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
The DJ set and uh, I was just going the hood,
just DJ on people's borges.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
That was kind of my thing. But that's how I
got into music. You know what I'm saying. So for me,
it's just like it's like a pastime.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
But you know, like the great Andre three thousand said,
if you can't find a vibe, you gotta create it.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So I just.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Invite dope people over to my crib, you know what
I'm saying. Curate it. You know, we might do some
some red wine and Popeye's Chicken, and I might throw
the set and we just get a cracking vibe.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
That's interesting.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
So that's how you've been feeling like you haven't been
finding a vibe late least you've been trying to create one.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Well, you know, I like to travel a lot, you
know what I'm saying, And I like to live, but
also I like to you know, like turn people onto
what I've learned when I've been around the world. So
it's just like different types of music, different types of curacis.
So it's just dope to have people come up to
your houses you trust and just vibe. You know, people
get tired of going our cameras everywhere. You know, some
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very distinguished black people in Atlanta and they like to
really live. So I just like, come over to my
crib man, we just hang out, you know what. I'm
saying it's dope, though, is.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
It like, is it all rapid?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
No, No, it was like no, it was like you
play everything, yeah, house music, old school, Yeah, it's vibe.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I got so, I
got a little soup, I got a little something. You
should come nick safe.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
You know, I'm you're gonna tell about everybody in the house.
Whoever in the house, I tell you everybody year anniversary
and one of the greatest hip hop albums?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
What does it feel like mentally to have to revisit
that era?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
To be honest with you, it feels like that album
was supposed to happen, uh, and even twenty years later,
just the the obstacles that I had to go through to,
you know, get this tour going and everything, it just
feels like deja vu. But the but the consequences are
not dire. They just real life things and you got
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to show your adversity. And it feels like I was
just talking to somebody about the other day. It's just like, now,
Soul Survivor really resonates with me. It makes sense, you
know what I'm saying, Because I'm a soul surviving and
I'm listening to the word. I'm like, oh, this is me,
this is who I am. You know when I wrote it,
it was a record. Now this is my life and
it's just like to be twenty because you got to think,
like you think about Park and Big you know, what
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would they what would they have done twenty years in
the game.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
You know what I'm saying, You.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Celebrating all eyes on me life after death twenty years later.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You know, I don't know. Park might have been DJ
in his basement.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
I don't know what I'm saying, but I'm living life
and I'm going through you know, one of those stages
where you know, you get to watch the game line
wash the streets. You know what I'm saying. I'm in
this world, but I'm not of it, you know what
I'm saying. So I get to watch it. But at
the same time, I already put my work in so
I get to sit back. But I'm dealing with real
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stuff now, running companies and doing deals and and you know,
empowering other people. So it's now I got to really
practice my skills of leadership, but with my catalog behind me,
because I can stand on that because it's solid you
know what I'm saying. So I'm not you know what,
I'm frank badly amazed. I could keep going if I
wanted to, but.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I got to.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You have survivors remorse at all because I used to.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You have so many people that you ran in. Yeah,
I used to. But everybody know me, they know what
I'm solid. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But at the same time, my life is about peace,
join freedom, and I ain't e I'm saying that to
say a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Survive the war. Baby, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
It's like I ain't got no reason to go back
and then to approve you know what I'm saying. I'm
just trying to live my life, make sure my people straight,
you know, put me into people as I could put
on and keep you know, just you know, just inspiring
and involving my culture, which is why I'm even doing
this symphony tour, which is crazy because I think I'm
the first one to ever take a symphony around the
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world to do a tour. You know what I mean
to celebrate, you know, my first debut album, which is
about three four times platinum.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I ain't checked last.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Time, but I can't motivation on one.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and it's crazy because it's like, you know, the
only time I remember putting on the suit is for
a funeral or wedding. It's a celebration and it's not
just about it's not just about you know, the music,
It's about everybody who came along with his journey with me.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
That will celebrate.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Think about where you was twenty years ago, you know
what I'm saying, Where you were twenty years ago, where
y'all at now, it's a celebration of that because that
music reminds you of that time you was out there grinding.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
But look what you grind it too.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
So this is a reason for everybody put on a
suit in a nice black dress and come out and celebrate.
And I do want to say this, this is not
this is not the opera.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You're not gonna sit down and cross your legs. This
is a party, you know what I'm saying. At the
same time, you know, shout out to Adam Blackstone. You know,
he helped me produce it. De Hodges, he wrote the music.
He's actually conducting it. Those brothers are crazy about DJ
drama with me, So you know, it's a part that
got dj A's with me.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
It's a celebration saying.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
When you were making this album twenty years ago, right,
were you just making songs or were you thinking the future?
Were you thinking because you look at a lot of
people in the industry and the catalog is not strong,
right that first album, the catalog's not strong.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They can't go on tour.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Were you thinking about that when you're writing this first
album or was it just I'm just trying to get
out the hood.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'm just I was.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Just trying to stay alive and free, and I just
wanted to be heard. And the reason why that album
is so solid is because I put everything in that.
You know, I didn't have another shot, you know what
I'm saying. It wasn't like no label was looking for me.
You know what I'm saying. I had spent all these
all these all this money to build this buzz and
I had this one opportunity. And you gotta think, like
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I lost my voice, I tore my vocal cords, you know,
I had Bell's part. Like all these things happened at
one time, and I'm just like I was humbled and
the album got leaked four weeks before it came out.
Think about that. I was up against all that and
I'm still like praying, you know what I'm saying, And
it happened. So when I look back twenty years ago,
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like I didn't realize what I was doing, but I
know to change the dejectory of my family and our
generation of wealth and getting my family in a better
place that this is all I had, you know what
I'm saying. So I put everything in that trappa dye
in this.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Everything, by the way, I probably you know it was
riding around. You're still getting.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
It right, statute of limitations or put that out there.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
You know, it's interesting what you said about the record
sol survivor, because at that point in your life you
had survived to a certain extent, but you didn't you
didn't feel that way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
No, I mean you got to think about it.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I didn't really even start celebrating life until the recession.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Wow, yeah, I was.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I was out of it, bro I was drinking, smoking, living.
I'm just holding on, you know what I'm saying, because
I didn't know then I woke up one day It's like, damn,
I'm still free, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, at any moment it could go yeah, and
ain't nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That's some type of stress you don't even want, you
know what I'm saying, because it's just it's every day,
it never stops, and you're always on edge. You're living
from uh you know, you're living from a survival mindset,
you know I'm saying. And you know when I woke
up on that day when I started to work on
the Recession, That's when I realized what abundance was.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
I'm saying because now I'm like, I'm a superstar. You know,
I was telling them the other day. Man, I got
in the gym, got myself together. My first show in
Boston for the Recession tour. You know, I get the
stage and I'm telling the security guard, Hey, yo, they
throwing stuff at me. We got to get out here
and get down. He's like, sir, No, their panties like this.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You know what I'm saying, object.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Bros and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
And I'm like, Yo, this is this is different because
you got to think when I was doing shows, when
Doug Motivation came out, all the gangsters in the front.
You know what I'm saying, all the all the hustlers.
It wasn't no women. I didn't have any women fans.
You know, shout out to the women fans out there,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I didn't have that.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
So when you put that record, the record with Tree
songs on the album, that was I'm trying to tell you, Jesus,
you got to make something for the lead.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That was me trying to do a record with Trey.
Oh okay, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. You ever
hung out with Trigger Drey? Yes? Yeah, it makes you
want to do records like this. I need that. I
need that about life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Emotionally? Do you ever get triggered when you're on stage
performing some of those records though?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, I mean, especially like lately, because I'm so seasoned
with it that, you know, everything is like a sermon
to me.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I don't take dislikely and I don't I'm in a
space where i'm I'm I'm you know, I'm definitely I'm
blessed and I'm grateful to still have people that understand
what my mission is because it's my purpose, it's who
I am. Like, you know, a lot of people do
this because it has money or some type of uh
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you know, some some type of something behind it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
But this is who I am every day, Like this
is my life.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Like when I walk out of here and I go
walk downstairs and I see somebody, they ain't talking about
the song. They talking about me, like we like, I
keep doing what you're doing because we live in through you.
So for me, it's just like some of those songs,
especially like twenty years later to see it, because I'm
gonna be honest, like Soul.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Survivor hits so different.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
It hits so different, like because back then it was
a great song, you know, shout out to kids. Stewart,
you know, Recipeace he made me put that on the album.
You know what I'm saying. But my whole thing was
like I want to go trap or die, you know.
And imagine if I would have listened to that myself
and stayed on that trajectory.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And then where is that now?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Because when I'm doing this Soul Surviving arenas and I'm
looking at these kids, I'm looking at these people, I'm
like I want to do they realize like this is
who I am, you know what I'm saying, and this
is me living my dream being on the stage and
I'm still getting standing ovations twenty years later, you know
what I'm saying. So I don't know nobody else that
can say that they're soul survivor and mean it like that.
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So yeah, that record means a lot to me. And
even Trapper died, you know what I'm saying. It's just
like that's real. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
But you're not sitting on the block with your thank
God no more.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Nah. But we'll talk about that offline.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
But I was gonna ask, does the street mentality actually leave?
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right? So if you see I.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Mean, and you've been around Jay and you're seeing his
evolution of being always looking over his shoulder to now
when I see him walking in the buildings, it's like free,
I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And when I see fifty more, yeah, he feels more free.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Yeah, Like there's always I mean, but I still got
it because I'm not exempt, but I understand what it is.
But you know, I carry myself with a level of integrity.
So it's just like, as long as I feel like
it's mutual respect, I don't feel like the need to
even have to watch the room. But I will tell
you this, I've been on a journey for about like
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almost eight nine years now, you know what I'm saying.
But I can tell you at this point of my life,
like I'm really at peace, Like I don't worry about
the things that I can't control, and that is including people,
you know what I'm saying. So for me, it's just
like I don't you know, everybody know me. I float
around my with any city.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
What got you there? Because it took you a long
time to get there? What got you there?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Work therapy, therapy, work, h journal and meditating all that,
you know what I'm saying, Like I'm not even gonna
hold you like it's real. And when you wake up
and you start to realize like okay, and you can
emotionally regulate and you and you know who you are,
you have nothing to prove. There's no better feeling, you
know what I'm saying, because I don't got to prove anything.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And by the way you.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Can see, you can tell because people are attracted to
that because they can tell that that's how you feel.
Piece attracts peace, Chaos attracts chaos anyway around that. You
know what I'm saying. If you if you got nervous energy,
you're gonna tract nervous people. I ain't invite no nervous
people to my house. Watch me, DJ.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
You know that, yep.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I want to go back. You mentioned j Z.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Do you remember the moment when jay Z told you
that album was a classic? I remember reading that and
maybe double.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
He said to me.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
He said to me, you got a brand. He texts me.
He was like, you got a brand. And I didn't
know what that meant at first, but you know, twenty
years later, I can see that what he meant, like
you actually stand for something and people understand what that is. Right,
So it's almost like your bread could be anything. But
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my brain has always been motivation, you know what I'm saying.
But if you coming out with your first album, it's
hard to tell people you're motivating people.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But twenty years later, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I'm still doing what I know how to do best,
and that's what he was trying to get me to see.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Like stay there.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
You know what I'm saying, Because you know, music was changing.
You know, we all want to be hot, but it's
like when you when you when you're on fire in
the inside, you don't need to be on fireside. You
know what I'm saying. I ain't got to chase nothing.
But then I would have you know what I'm saying.
You know, like you know it was snap music, it
was crunk music. I had to figure it out. You know,
I'm rapping it and I'm making songs that are the Temple,
you know, seventy two. You know, you think about knock
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if you buck. You know that was up there. So
I'm in the club competing with that, thinking, man, maybe
I should, you know. But he was more saying like
stay there, you're good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, but didn't he tell you that that album was
a classic?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah he did. He did. He hit me up.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
He was just like yo, I think when he heard
it for the first time because I played it for him,
you know what I'm saying. And yeah, he definitely told me.
He was like, Yo, this this one here gonna live
with you. And you know me, I was already on
to the next one. I was like, what I'm to
do for the next album, because you know how it
is you living from you know, you're living from that
place survivor.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
You're like, man, if.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
This worked, I gotta be ready to go in because
that's a lot of pressure, you know what I'm saying.
I don't know if that helped me when he told
me it was a classic, because you know, back then,
you know, I was a little wild, So that got
to you know that that definitely, uh, you know, made
my head a little bigger.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So that definitely, you know, like that to my ego.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Did you ask him to get on Dope Boy Go Crazy? Yes?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Absolutely, I remember playing it. So first of all, that
record was a record that I heard when I was
over somebody else's trap house and they was playing this
Tip mixtape. I think it was Down with the King
and I was just over there and I was kicking
and it was playing it. They asked me that I
hear it, and I heard that I heard him rapping
over to Go Crazy, and I'm like damn, I said,
(15:01):
who made the beat?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
There was like Don Cannon. So I left and I
called Don Cannon.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I was like, yo, I need a beat like that,
and then he said why not use that beat? And
I said, okay, what you mean and he said tipped
And by the beat he just rapped over. I was like,
bet where you at and pull up on you. Now
you know what I'm saying right now? I got the
I got the record. I had a meeting in Death Jam,
so I flew in. Me and coach k flew into
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UH to New York.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
That morning. He picked me up from the studio. We
flew in.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
We flew back that same night. On the way back,
I wrote go crazy on the plane. You know what
I'm saying flying back to Atlanta. Recorded that night, I
had three verses. Death Jam came about two weeks later,
and it was all in pass works and I played
the whole album and when I got to that song,
it was all clapping when it was done, and I
was like, Yo, by the way, I'm putting jay Z
on the song. I said, y'all need to work that out.
(15:52):
To La read that, yeah, speak of the existence. And
one day for the BT Awards, I was out in
LA and who called me to his hotel.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's like, Yo, come by to come by the hotel.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So we sit upstairs and this suite outside on the patio,
smoking cigars, just talking because we never talked about music.
We always talk about life. And then he was like, uh,
what verse You're gonna take off? And I was like,
we mean and then he was talking about go Craze.
I had three verses and then he said, uh, I'm
doing it, by.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
The way, and I was like, take it. You can
take them all off. That's what you want to do.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I still on the hook, and I remember I never
forget it. We was at kDa in New York. I mean,
I'm sorry in LA and Coach K walk in like
we're doing an interview like this. Coach K walk in.
He was like I got it, and I'm like what
He's like? I got the jay Z versus me a interview.
I told the guy, I think it's Julio. I said, Julio,
you got We stopped the interview. I got hold up
(16:52):
and I go outside and I told him to come
in the hallway. Coach played press play and I heard that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Verse more than a hustle on the Death Kitchen cover.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I was happy at first, but then I started thinking.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
That it's okay records.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Ever, yeah I was.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I was. I was like, damn, okay, how did this work?
You know? I think I got him back on seeing
it all though, I think so yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Motivation one on one.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Is there a record that didn't make the album because
of clearance or for whatever reason that you said, Damn,
I wish that one made that album.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, it was a bunch of like mixtape stuff that
didn't make it. And the thing about it is like
the album really got pressured out. You know what I'm saying.
Because one of the interns who was up there, who
was trying to get his beats on the album, we'll
get a beat on the album. You know, I never
did anything on his records, and I left my drives
(17:54):
at Patchworks, So I guess he got mad and leaked
the album four weeks before it came out. So now
Bell's palsy, uh my vocal cords. All these things happening
at once, and now the album's leaked. So now I'm
sitting there and I'm like, what am I gonna do?
(18:17):
Because now I got to think of the next plan.
So I can't go back to the streets. You know
what I'm saying, Because now I'm like, damn, like this
is it, And I'll never forget I went to pass Works.
You know, I caught a lawsuit. I'll say that, you
know what I'm saying, Because I had.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
To bring the books.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Read right and and uh, you know, actually it helped me,
you know what I'm saying. So you know what they say,
no no weapon, you know, form against me, so possible
help me because it went to all the bootlegs and
it spread it everywhere. And the thing that I had
the most anxiety about out of every thing was I
had to pick a single right. And on mixtapes they
try to put that they pick it for you. So
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by the time he leaked it and it was already going,
I didn't know what I was going with. And I
was still pushing trapa Dye the song, and the label
called me and Secure called me. He's like yo, He's like, yeah,
you can shoot trapa Dive. That's what you want to do.
We're shooting Soul survivor how do you want to shoot
the video. Came to Brooklyn, shot the video. Everybody showed up, Hold,
Jim Jones, Cameron, you name it.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was crazy.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
It was It was festive and the video you know,
we did it like paid him full. It was crazy.
It was probably one of the most memorable moments in
my career. You know what I'm saying, Because you know,
you always heard stories about Brooklyn, like, ain't nobody come
to Brooklyn. They're like, Jesus, we love you, Like I'm
I'm out in Brooklyn shooting the video and everybody from
the blocks coming out and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The whole label was there.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
A lot of guys from Atlanta came in like it was,
it was, it was it And when the video came out,
it was gone. And I didn't And I told I
was telling somebody that I knew Akon from being around
the way because it was like him and Boo.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I couldn't tell him apart, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
So I didn't realize he was that big overseas and
I didn't. And then this was the first collaboration that
I've ever done, so I didn't realize doing a record
with somebody that you can actually tap into their fan
base too, on a national level or a global level, right,
And I ain't know that. So it went from me
being able to walk through the airport, you know what
I'm saying seven a m. To catch my flight to
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like now I'm walking through the airport. Everybody, Hey, con
I like, where you from?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Brother Africa? Man? We love you.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I'm like, oh man, you know what I'm saying. So
it was love and it was just like one thing
I say about the boy Khin. He's different, you know
what I'm saying, because he's over there, you know, and
they love him.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I shows with him in Africa and I'm like, okay,
like what is going on? Nobody knows who I am,
but know who you are. And he was like, you
got to be over here a little bit more. And
I love that, you know what I'm saying. And we
over the years hit me up, you know, over the
years we always stayed locked in.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Hear me up.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The other day, I was like, yo, we number one
on TikTok. I don't even know what that means, but
I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Really flippir of the judge, Yeah he did.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, probably why he got them ten.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
I'm trying to get him off for about phone and
a half. But yeah, yeah, shout out to ma'a man.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I'm shocked that you didn't know that you were such
a taxable. I'm really sitting here like how did you not?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I mean, you know, like in the you know, like
I didn't know that then, you know what I'm saying,
cause you got to think like back then when I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know, I was I'm five eight, I was two sixty,
skin bad. I want drinking water. My danet was waffle
House and Crystal.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
You know what I'm saying, I'm partying all day because
I didn't know if I was going to be home
for real.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah I was in.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh yeah yeah yeah, not get it now.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I mean even on the intellectual level, like I know
that I can sit down smart with the best of them.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I know that for a fact.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
We saw you with Neil.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah shot and then I.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Said I was even saying a lot of women in
the commons saying, oh after the divorce, man, he looked
even better.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Oh wow, I received that.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
But I know that that was like an intense time.
You know, last year, you're going through all of that,
even with you know, the custody battle she did win
and everything.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Where are things with you on your ex now?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Peace? Yeah? Peace?
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I just I'm I'm all about understanding.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
I'm all about what's best for everybody, the greater you know,
the greater good. And it's just like I'm just telling you,
like my life, I tell myself this every day, like, man,
this is amazing. I don't got no enemies. I ain't
got no issues. I don't want no enemies. I don't
want no issues. I just want peace. I just want
joy and I just want freed. I love my freedom.
(22:39):
You know what I'm saying, Like I love it, like
you just talk about I came up here independently. I
just call like I'm coming to the breakfast club. You
know what I'm saying. Like I ain't got a check in,
I ain't gotta you know, I ain't got to talk
to no label. I ain't got to do nothing to
shout out to death jam. I love y'all. But it's
just like freedom and ownership is is everything. You know
what I'm saying, Especially when you're talking art, you're talking culture,
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talk to your mind. You know what I'm saying, Like
I've worked hard my whole life. This is like this,
this is the season of me. You know what I'm saying.
I'm putting myself first. It all costs, you know what
I'm saying. It's just like my piece is everything. Like
everybody didn't know me. Know that, you know what I'm saying.
They calm and be like, yeah, bro, Like I love you,
but don't call me even nothing crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I want to ask you know, how was that because
you're very private, very private person, but that was so
public did not irk you at all, like everybody in
your business talking about you.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Well, I had to come to the realization that I
know who I am and that nobody else can't tell
me different. So as long as I stayed on the
path of integrity and staying true to myself, it wasn't
nothing really to worry about because anybody didn't know me,
Like I mean, I even heard y'all was up here, like, no,
I know, I know Jezu you know that. But that's
that's because my reputation exceeds me. I'm like, I ain't
(23:50):
on I ain't on nothing, you know what I'm saying.
That's I need to be you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
And I'm not.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
So it's just like it comes with the territory, you
know what I'm saying, he who wears the crown. It's
just like, you know, people talked about Jesus, you know
what I'm saying, They're gonna talk about everybody.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Everybody's not gonna like you.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Now, if I'm a good person to you and you
don't like me, then there's a problem. But if you
don't like me because of what you heard or what
you think, then I ain't none of my spiritual business.
I can't do nothing about that, you know what I'm saying.
I can't even convince you because your mind has made up. However,
if you know me and we had some type of
interaction and action, I haven't done anything wrong to you,
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then that says more about you than me, because now
you judge and now you judge me. There's no judgment
here because I'm not perfect by far. But if I
haven't done anything to you, then you can't take that
position because you know, the people around me got real
love for me and my friends in my circle, like
I never felt any type of just but the people
(24:48):
who wasn't for me of course, and that I mean
that did me a solid. Now I ain't got to
even worry about cutting you off.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know what I'm saying, would get married again? Hit
me up. I'm gonna be all the way on it.
I love my freedom and it has nothing to do
and has nothing to do with anything in the past.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I just love my freedom, you know what I'm saying,
Like I love it, you know I think like partners
are amazing, you know, I would think.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
So, how did you feel when the Internet said you
were you were trying to holler at me along by
any means necessarily.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It wasn't lying, It was not lying. I don't know,
but I was real. Men, I never cheated like that. No,
I don't cheat me like that. I'm saying, like, that's
a little hanging fruit. If I'm not, I'm like, then
we got to be married. Like, I'm just not a cheater.
(25:42):
That's like, I'm not gonna cheat my friends, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Not I'm not. That ain't in my blood.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But but but you said I was trying to holler. Yeah,
I was, you know, but I had to be respectful
because I was still you know, finalizing, you.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So it was hard. It was tough saying focus.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
They don't link it with everybody. They don't link you everybody, Vanity.
The other day, when you did that, they.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Would do that. They would do.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
We love Cynthia. Man shout out to Cynthia. That's a home.
You know what I'm saying. No, No, now the other one.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, I just said on that real quick on.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
The other one.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh, absolutely everything is filized. Park Leta hit the Park.
But I'm not gonna play about that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So you said you might see her at some of
these shows.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
I mean, listen, she's invited. I know she has a
beautiful black dress. He's definitely invited.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I do want to know what what inspired you to
reimagine the album in this way though, because I'm sitting
I'm like your symphony orchestra, black tie, twist.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Your fingers up back.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Man. But when we did it with the we did
it in Atlanta was the first one.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
It was.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
There's no feeling like that because there was a lot
of people that I saw and by the way, I've
been trying to do this.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
For you know, at least five years.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
But it was like so many people that I saw
in the crowd that I knew personally that I was
just proud of where they was at because they're successful
this and that, but they don't want to come to
a show where they feel I want to bring my
woman out, I want to get you. I want to
go to dinner before and hit the spot after. This
is a celebration. This isn't a show or a concert.
(27:27):
This is a one night you know, one man, one
mic thing, and it's just like, why not celebrate the
evolution of it? And also I would like to add
that I feel like it's my moral obligation because I
was the one that told these kids that trapa down.
I feel like it's my moral obligation to show them
evolution in this and that you don't have to change
(27:47):
to evolve, you know what I'm saying. It's like, if
you make art, it should grow with you, right, it shouldn't.
You shouldn't have to be a different person, because I
think that's why they run into the roadblocks. It's just
like I gotta be thug forever, you know what I'm saying.
And that's if that's how you feel, that's how you feel.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
But I don't.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I ain't gonna gotta be on the block with my
you know what I'm saying. Like now I'm in the boardrooms,
right and that's okay. And my thing is my is
my mind because I know I'm a lot of water
dos and I don't been through enough to know that
if the press is on, I'm not worried about losing
my job. They may be I'm gonna make sound decisions
because I've been through it before, so that's my gift.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
But for the.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Culture, it hurts me to know these young men and
to see them in these situations. I care bro Like,
I don't care what nobody These are my These are
like my little brothers, and I know I can't change them, right,
so I can't judge them. The only thing I could
do is what I saw, like hold them do for me.
Just leave by example, you know what I mean, Just
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do your thing and just leave the door open or
the back door at least, because it's not easy, like
to even get to this point and all the turmoil
and those that got closed on me just to even
do this this project, you know what I'm saying. I
had to really really realize, like, okay, you still you
So you gotta really, you know, do this the right
way and it's on your own. But you gotta realize
(29:08):
they ain't gonna let just let you in this.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Door like that.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
But so I got to make sure I leave the
door open for the kids. It's coming up with the
generation behind it because if you really look at it,
when Trappa Daye dropped up motivation all this, if you've
seen the influx of street cats, that got into music
because there was like man, I saw Jesus, I know
people that he actually was affiliated with, got down with
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whatever cities he'd been to, whatever, So I know, if
he can do it, I can do it. The only
problem is the rules are different because ain't nobody, ain't
no big homies, so it's like the wild, wild West,
you know what I'm saying. It's probably why I'm listening
to the house music these days, you know what I'm saying,
because it's like I love the music, but it's a
different vibration, so I don't need that all day. I
can listen to it in the gym, right, but I'm
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not gonna listen to it, you know when I get
up in the morning to go do what I gotta do,
because I want to keep it, you know. But at
the same time, I feel like it's my more gason,
like in my heart, you know what I'm saying, Like
that's my purpose to inspire and to help culture evolve,
Like that's that's my purpose.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Do you have conversations with the younger artists? And the
reason I ask is yeah, it's like you said, you know,
we talk about it all the time. We did a
lot of super stuff back then, but there was none
of this. There was no internet, right, They weren't telling
on themselves. But now it just seems like it's the
cool thing to tell everybody what you did, hate it
illegal or not, which is the wow.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Crazy because there's no integrity and there's nobody to follow,
which is why I don't do a lot of interviews.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know what I'm saying. I come talk to y'all.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
We don't kick it, but I don't got nothing to
say to somebody who's looking for ignorance. For me, you
know what I'm saying, I'm not. I'm still operating by
the cold. You know what I'm saying. These people are
moving the goalposts. I don't like that. I don't want
to play in that game. You know what I'm saying.
Every time it's something different. Why is it something different
for them or not me, you know what I'm saying,
or us? So for me, I feel for them because
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they don't got nobody to follow, you know what I'm saying.
And there's nothing like giving somebody this because you got
to think about it. One got the type of money
he got, but he ain't get Lebron money for playing.
So they're giving them a different type of money, and
they're using the money. They still got trauma, they still
got things going on that's so important to them that
they feel like they got to deal with. But now
you're giving them money to few the war.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
I seen this kid on TikTok A Couples. Remember I
showing you that video. The dude was literally in his
room crying to his girlfriend because his object came up
on some money, right, and the way he was serious,
he was like, man like, man, they're gonna have all
the type of choppers and switching you ain't fair.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I'm like, yeah, first of all, while you're recording this one.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's probably trying to get a safe haven.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You know who it is.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I don't respect it. You know.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I said I wasn't gonna talk about it when I
came up here because I feel like, ain't none of
my spiritual business. But as somebody who's been in the game,
a part of the game and in this world or
not of it, I just don't respect it. Ain't no integrity.
Like everybody getting up here, they talking too much. They're
saying too many things, and that's okay. Then the next
generation gonna do the same thing and even worse, it
even worse. And I'm only concerned about the culture because
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at some point, when nobody respects it no more, they're
not going to respect the art form.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It don't even matter what you say. It'll be like
we'll be obsolete.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
You know what I'm saying, Cause at nothing ain't no
there ain't no integrity behind what we're doing or saying,
because we're doing anything, and it looks like we're doing
anything for money, right, and I don't like that because
I'm not doing anything for money.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
I probably turned down more than I accept because it
got to be in line with my purpose.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And that's just me. I'm not asking nobody else to
be that way.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But when you speak of a culture, you can see
why people kind of stay away from it because they're
kind of like, I don't know if I want to
be affiliated with that, you know what I'm saying, because
I don't. I don't, you know, And if all my
kids are going to think is that you know that
I was an artist, and that's it. I'm a father first,
I'm a man first, you know what I'm saying. I'm
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a CEO first. You know what I'm saying, I'm a
big brother first. You know what I'm saying, I'm all
the things. I'm a son, you know. So we can't
just get categorized and boxed into what we are as
far as coach and go live that out, because then
if something happened to your kids, are the ones that suffering.
You know, ain't nothing like having a daddy that was
rich and now we ain't got nothing because he made
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a decision for what he thought was right.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
They had nothing to do with anybody. And you asked
me earlier.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
And I ain't calling no names because I ain't trying
to call nobody out because I love them, bro, I
don't want to set on these catch beds in their
house and they room like, hey man, we got to talk,
bro like on a call, like hey man.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
What you got going? Bro Like, come pull up on me.
Let's talk about this. Man. I'm did to so many times.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
And I think that the disconnect is when they when
these labels are giving these kids these type of money, money.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Equals respect to them.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
So it's like, I'm not listening to you because you
ain't doing nothing for me. And I got this, which
is fine now sustaining it is a whole different conversation,
but even keeping you because now you got the change
to change generational wealth, you know what I'm saying, or.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Either put those kids in.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
It's a difference between your kids going to to public
school in private school or having those type of friends
when they grow up, because that's what it's about, like
their relationships and who they're gonna meet and grow up
with and go to college with and all that. Because
it ain't about you. It's about your kids, right. But
just imagine that everything's going great, everybody's loving this new
life we got, and then you just make a decision.
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It's purely based on the motions and ego. And I
tell everybody, man, a bad day for the ego is
a great day for the soul.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Because I've had to make so many unpopular decisions, but
it all worked out for me because I'm in peace
right and I ain't gotta play, you know what I'm saying.
It's like I don't got to play the game because
if you come over here, you know what I'm saying,
We're gonna be in the right. It's not even it
ain't even about being gangs. It's about being a man.
It's just like I don't want to be nothwhere around it.
I love y'all. You can come one on you know,
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one on one, but don't bring all your partners. I
don't want to be bothered that, you know what I'm saying,
But I feel for them because you know, it's a
lot of web pendles in that penitentium.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Man, you know what I'm saying, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
I do want to say.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
In regard to the music you used to make twenty
years ago, you can't beat yourself up about that because
you was doing the best.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
You could with the information you had at the time.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
And when I listened a third motivation one on one
that don't just a hustle is a hustle, I don't
mean that leaving me.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
To no no, no.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And I don't want you to think that I'm tripping.
I'm saying because I always knew it was a position
of leadership. I always understood that now what I was
going through. When I was going through, I just wised
up over time and started listening to the people who's
really trying to help me right, because they really were,
and they were people that I wouldn't expect, you know
what I'm saying. There were people that was reaching out
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having these conversations, but I took key and I was
just like, Okay, tell me about that. And you gotta
stay curious, you know, you got to ask the questions.
And then when you start seeing what's happening around you,
it goes back to the streets. Like I knew what
not to do based off of how I saw these
people getting into trouble. So I'm like, I don't want
to do that. I ain't the jail type. I'm gonna
tell you right now. I can't see sitting nowhere and
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not being PRODUCTI so I don't want to even put
myself in a position like that without me having to
you know what I'm saying. But I don't regret anything.
I don't regret my hard times. I don't regret my lows.
I don't regret my highs. I don't regret my run ins.
I don't regret anything because it all taught me a lesson.
You know what I'm saying, And I stand that now
and I can say that whole hardly. So when somebody
comes and talk to me, I can say, bro look,
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I can't tell you what to do, but I'm gonna
gonna tell you, like, I don't know how that's gonna
work out, because this is what happened over here.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
This is what I've seen happen with this person. Now,
you could take.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
That data and that information, you could do whatever you
want with it, but I can assure you that if
you do that, there's gonna be some type of consequence.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
So when you when you go on a journey like this,
you know, for your your twenty years of thug motivation
one on one, does it make you like does it
make you reach out to like older people you came
up with? Like have you spoken to Big Meat?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yes? Solid? Solid? Okay, Yeah, everybody's solid.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I'm just peace. Man. My hom's love. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
For me, it's you know, I'm like I said, man,
it's all good me bro, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
All good?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
What's the deep album cut that you really enjoy performing
off Doug Motivation on one?
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Man? I mean listen, bro, I can't get past intro,
you know what I'm saying. And you gotta you gotta
wait till you hear this with the with the Symphony.
You know what I'm saying with the symphony, and I
need everybody know I'm coming through your city. I'm coming
through your town. It's gonna be amazing one night only,
and you gotta pull up. And going back to your
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other question about me reaching back out, I think it's
more important for me to reach forward. So shout out
the LISK who I just partner with for my nonprofit space,
and shout out to the Urban League of Atlanta, who
I reached out with for my Young CEO program.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Because it's like, what is list I know you do
that with the Screen Dreams Foundation.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah, list is is. So we got to two things
going right now.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
We definitely got the prostate cancer campaign going on because
I had a couple of friends that go through that,
so we were locked in there. But it's definitely fun entrepreneurs,
young entrepreneurs, you know tech spaces, just you have it
like we're showing them how to set up their lives
so that they can win.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
And the same thing with the Urban League of Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Same thing. We got the Young CEO program. You can
go on my Instagram check it out. You know, anybody
from the ages, what's the agent seventeen to twenty four,
and we set it up. We're putting them with mentors
all that. And by the way, like this is who
I am. Like I love this. And somebody asked me,
how do you do both? They're all the same, you
(38:34):
know what I'm saying. We still motivating. It's all the
same to me. You know, It's just we get to
jump on the stage, but then we get to go
help some people prostate against We get to jump on
the stage and we get to go help mentor some kids.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You know, I love it.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And you're saving people, you know, and people can live
a much longer life if they just go.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
And I know I said this last time, but I
got to say it again because you saved me.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Shout out to Charlemagne for my New York Time best
selling book Adversity for Sale, because I ran into a
situation where I had an issue with a publishing company
and I called Charlemagne, like who published your book? And
he put me with somebody and we went on to
sell a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, so thank you, thank you, brother, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
For all the years of motivation with the music.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
My last question, if you could go back and tell
two thousand and five GZ one thing before TM one
on one drop, what would it be?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Go harder?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Because I was a little reluctant because you know, I
was scared of failure, you know what I mean, because
I had so much on the line.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
So it was like real pressure. You know, it ain't nothing.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Like everybody looking at you like a way out, you
know what I'm saying. That pressure is on your shoulder,
But then you're also looking at yourself like if because
it's different if a record labels inquiring you and you
hide in the streets and on your like they're they're
pushing this issue like this is your money, this is
your time, this is your energy. So if it doesn't work,
(40:00):
you know, nine times out of ten, you don't spend all.
You don't spend all your bread and now you got
to figure something else out and you don't turn your
back on everything you knew as far as like the
streets to take this chance. So I always said it
go harder because there was a lot of times where
I was like I was sitting back not being the
star that I could have been because I was having
(40:20):
what did it called it impostra sentially, you know, because
I was in these rooms with these guys that was
really writing and really like this is what they been
doing their whole life. And I kind of just stumbled
into this. And it wasn't until I just realized that, like,
but you but you're real though, you are who you
say you are, and you don't have to be as witty.
You can be realer. And that was my thing. So
when I was saying if it's taken too long to
(40:41):
lock up, I was talking to the people who knew
what I was talking about, So everybody wasn't gonna get there.
And that's the that's the that's what I had over
everybody else. I knew how to talk to the people
that mattered to me. And uh, it wasn't until I
really figured that out. It is when I was like, okay,
I could live in and like I said, it was
it was. I was three hours in before I woke
up and I was just like, I took that book
(41:03):
bag with all those not bricks. I'man like waiting it
because it was heavy, and I just took it off
and through it and I was like, I'm going to
be a star. I'm going to be a star man,
you know. So thug motivation to me was a blur
because it was like it could have happened, it might
not happened, But everything I went through I'm grateful for
(41:26):
even right now to this day, because there's nothing that
I go up against that I don't go what would
I done in two thousand and five?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
You know what I'm saying? How would I worked around this?
Speaker 4 (41:36):
And I love it because when people put me into
you know, like if I get in situations with business
and then I called back and I called my team
the next thing and be like, Yo, we're gonna do this,
they'd be like, oh, man.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I knew it. We got them. You know what I'm saying,
because they tried to box me in. I figured it out.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
So yeah, answer in a lot of ways just towards
like you being able to relive that time but actually
enjoy the moment.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Enjoy the moment, man, And I want people to enjoy
with me. And I'm gonna say this, like this is
for us. You know, put your put your black suit on,
if you don't got a bow tie, put your black
dress on. Let's have a good time. Let's celebrate. Let's
celebrate you know, evolution, Let's celebrate life. Let's celebrate our wins,
our losses and everything like, let's have a good time
because I don't want to keep coming and we're doing
(42:18):
like you know, you could do a show, but I
want an experience. You know what I'm saying. I want
you to see what I'm trying to say. And again,
this is a party. This is not uh, you know,
you just come and sitting down. You know, this is
not the opera. Shout out to the opera. But it's
not the opera, gotch.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
We appreciate you for joining us. I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Tickets.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Oh you go to gez It's TM one on one
live te dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Sir, we appreciate you for joining us. Let's definitely pulling.
Oh yeah, and I want to say this before I leave.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
New York is gonna be lit because I'm actually officially
closing down the Apollo. I'm doing the last show there
until they do the renovation, so they're gonna sit down
for the rest of the year. So I will be
having an official last show with them. It's gonna be crazy.
Look on the website to find out when I'm coming
through your city. Shout out to the Breakfast Club shout
out to you out.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, well there you have it. Yes, sir, it's jeezy.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
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