June 17, 2025 • 24 mins
Loren is back with some reflections about how wild it is that Diddy, a massive public/cultural/music figure, is on trial with so much history in context. The prosecution continues to move smart. Is this juror changeup a blow to the Diddy team? Or an opportunity in the appeals?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
George.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren
came in.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey guys, it's Lauren Rosa and this is the latest
with Lauren Rosa. This is your daily dig on all
things pop culture, entertainment, news, and the conversations that shake
the room.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Now we do the behind the scenes of the grind.
Check in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Grind and I just left a private, very intimate listening
party for the new Clips Pushing T and Malice album,
Let God sort Of Out. The album is coming on
July eleven, five, so of this year, and I gotta
say of this year because I know, you know, the
Clips fans have been waiting for a while for the album,
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but it is coming. It is a thing, and man,
when I tell y'all it is fire, I'm like, I
left there so inspire. They had this private listening event
at at the Rock Nation offices here in New York,
and they invited they invited me and me and Brandon,
(01:10):
one of y'all know Brandon used to be on the
podcast sometimes. But me and Brandon went and uh, like,
when I tell y'all, I am so inspired. I feel
like this last three weeks, two to three weeks, Charlotmagne
has been yelling at me so much just about like
the quality of my work and making sure I stay
(01:30):
up with things and you know, just like digging deeper
and just not slipping. To be honest with you, like
there's a lot happening at once, a lot coming at
me at once, and things are moving, things are going great.
But you know, it's good to have like people on
you like even be He's always like checking in, like
are you good? You know what I mean, sending me
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things and you know, suggesting things and you know they're
they're really just it's very much mentor ish vibes. Even so,
it's like Big Bro and tonight when I went to
the clips listening event, I was like, I get it.
Like the longevity of their career and not even just
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the longevity of their career, but just the way that
they are about their talent. It is so inspiring. So
if I'm checking in right now, I'm feeling inspired. I'm
feeling you know, intentional. I'm going to do a full
breakdown on the breakfast Club of the event.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It wasn't even like an event.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was really like a private like listening, like there
were other people there, of course, but it wasn't like
a full, big, major event. They're going to do an
official release party, but this was just like a private
listening prior too. So I'll be doing a full breakdown
in a breakfast club of like what we experienced and
you know, the amazing things that we heard and what
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I can reveal we will talk about. But you know,
if I'm doing a check in right now me recording
this podcast, I have to leave that event inspired and intentional?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Are the words? Okay, leave it at that. No, you girl,
love to take y'all a court. Love to take y'all
a court.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But getting on into the latest, uh, you know there
is always a lot going on in court with Diddy. Uh,
you know, the child of Sean Colmbs. Can y'all believe
that we have been reporting on.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
This for six weeks now we.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Are two weeks away, just about two weeks away from
finding out the fate of one of the biggest entertainers
in the world, one of the biggest hip hop names
in the world, one of the biggest you know, music
producers in the world. I would have never I think
about this every day when I'm in court and I
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see Diddy sitting in court, I would have never in
a million years, growing up as someone who was you know,
inspired by the lifestyle that he bring presented in the
inspiration he presented in the you know, the hustle and
the you know, just the career and the persona of
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of Sean Holmes and what that was and what that
was to the Coulture, I would have never thought that
I would be where I am today reporting on him
being incarcerated and looking at like literally fighting for his
life at this point in court. I never thought that
I thought about that today, like, man, like this is wild.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And I am like, you know, I'm my family.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't know him personally, and I feel like that
I can't imagine how he feels. I can't imagine how
his kids feel because they're in the court room every
day as well.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's just insane. But yes, we are, you know, about
two weeks away.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
From you know, finding out the fate of Sean Holmes,
and people ask me all the time, Like even when
I was out at the CLIPS event today, you know,
I had you know a few people come up to
me and just you know, talk to me about the
reporting and just being in the court because a lot
of people, you know, especially people I'm meeting, they either
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know him personally because they've been in the industry as
DJs or hosts or you know, whatever they do for
a long time, or they've either interacted with him because business,
or you know, they are fans of him as well,
or you know, we're fans of the movement. And people
are just so invested because he's been such a narrator
of our lives and of our culture for so long,
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and so many people were coming up to me and
asking me, you know what I thought was going to happen,
and you know what they can look out for, and
you know how like what most people want to know
just what the feeling is in court, whether you're in
the overflow room, whether you're in the main courtroom.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
People want to know, like, yo, what is it like?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like, Like what is that like? What is it like seeing?
Like you know, all all of the things. And today
I realized, I'm like, man, this is going to be
talked about for decades to come because of things like that,
like people just being so invested because Diddy, Sean Colmbe's
pub daddy whatever, you know him as was literally one
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of the most integral parts of hip hop, of music,
of entertainment, of motivation, of inspiration, of lifestyle, of marketing
in the last like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like it's crazy, It is so crazy to see. But
you know, I keep it honest when people ask me,
I keep it honest. And what I've been saying for
a while is that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think it's one to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, I have my own opinions about what I
think will happen, and we'll talk more about that as
the prosecution the government closes their arguments, which is set
to happen by Friday of this week. They've already started,
you know, gathering and doing the things that they're doing
with their summary witnesses this week.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And you know, today was.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Interested day in court because they played freak off videos
for the jewelry, which I'm not even gonna lie to
y'all when I say that government has been moving smart.
They've people, it's like they've been like it's like they're
silent killers. To be honest with y'all, Like, I think,
you know, the way that this was approached in the
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beginning with you know, the SWAT season a home and
doing the searches by landing by sea and all those things.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It felt so right there in your face. And then
when you get.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
In court you realize, well, maybe it's not right there
in your face, but the government is showing you these
things were there, these you know, these these elements were there,
even if it was subtle, right, But by them showing
these freak off tapes at the end, because already told y'all,
I felt like Jane Doe as their last like major
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most recent girlfriend witness, like homegirl is all over the place, right.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I didn't say she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Speak to certain things that the government is trying to prove,
but I just feel like the credibility of her it
wasn't the best taste to end off on in my opinion,
like if I'm just giving my opinion, right, But then
they follow up with playing these freak off tapes, And
when they played them in court, it had already been
decided from the first first day, first week of official
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court that anything that was that you know, sexual and
content and you know the meaning to any parties involved,
or just anything like that, because you know, they want
to make sure these women can't be blackmailed. Or things
on circulate or things on league, and you know, it's
just a very it's very sensitive content. They had already
said we were not going to play them in the
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courtroom like out loud, and they were like, we're going
to make sure that everyone has on headphones.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Who's able to listen to them.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So the jewelry was able to listen to them, not
even the gallery of attorneys or anything like that. And
from what I was told, you know, the drawors themselves,
I mean, they have to watch it. It's a part
of their job at this point. But you know, there's
been reports of some drawers giggling. There's been reports of
some drawers, you know, being really into it. I was
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told by a friend that was in the main courtroom
today that the attorneys, you know, the defense attorneys, Sean
Comb's attorneys did.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
These attorneys were.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Annoyed, like they were so mad that those videos are
being played at this point in the case. They were
visibly making facial expressions and you know, just things of
that nature. And I mean, I get it on their side,
I get what they're annoyed, because you got to think
about it. You hear all these things about women saying
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I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Allegedly, I was made to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Allegedly, money caused me to do it, allegedly, you know,
the fear of what he might do to me caused
me to.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Do it allegedly.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Right, And then if you but you haven't seen it,
you've just heard about it, and you've seen the the
you know, the allege you know bruises from the violence,
and you've seen text messages about the alleged blackmailing and
all of these things. And then one of the cherries
on top is that you see video of what the
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physical act was.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Because I don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
For a lot of us that like I think for me,
it's different, right, Like being in the courtroom is very
different because I've experienced so much entertainment culture wise before
coming into the courtroom. A lot of the you know,
the people I'm meeting and the journalists I'm meeting, this
is their first time interacting with you know, a lot
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of the people that are being mentioned and brought on
the stand.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
For me, it's a bit different because.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Living in la and working in entertainment and being a
person that's like out and about. I ain't never seen
nothing crazy, but I've been to, you know, the parties
I've experienced and been around certain things and seen certain things.
So don't and again I don't know people personally, but
to have seen that and have seen it multiple different times,
and you know, over the eight years that I was in.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
LA and then to not know the gravity of it, like.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Even if you heard rumors about certain things, I'm sitting
in the court every day like I cannot believe that
this is real. So to hear all of these stories, right,
and then all of the allegations that surround the stories,
and and you're building your thought process and your you know,
all of these things around that. And then within the
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final few days that the government is speaking to you,
they show you what literally the visual of Okay, now
you've you've heard all of what the you know, the
force allegedly and the here's why, right, but here's the what,
here's exactly what was made to go down, and you
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see it. I'm like, oh baby, ate that two shade,
well played? Well played.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Also, we had talked a lot about during number six
and whether that dismissal was going to happen or not.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I've talked about it on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mentioned it briefly here, but you know a little
background Durr six had, you know, some issues.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The judge really didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Like the fact that Jurer number six had mentioned that
he lived one place and then mentioned that he leaved another.
And you know, there's like a whole jurisdiction thing of
like you know, living in New York because it's a
southern district of New York.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, a case and just different.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Things, right, But more importantly, because the judge didn't even
mention the jurisdiction thing, the judge Moresa was focused a
lot on this draw, said one thing and then said another.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We want to know if this draw.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Is inconsistent, not telling the truth and not able to
take direction, because that matters. The judge today decided to
dismiss that during now that dur was really important to
Diddy and team because again, like I mentioned on the
Breakfast Club, this is a black dur who is from
you know, allegedly from the Bronx, grew up on nineties
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hip hop.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Diddy's team is alleging it's not really diverse.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Up in here, y'all, Like we need this drawer, right,
the judge pointed out today though, and he said, listen,
you know, some of Diddy's attorneys themselves have commended how diverse.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
This jury is, so we're not about to do that.
But no, that duror is not staying on.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I listened to Sonny from the view just give some
remarks on Dura number six been dismissed. And I've seen
Sonny in court a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
A lot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Actually, i've seen her in court a lot, and I
thought her take was interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
The game changer that just happened is that they replaced
one of the jurors an alternate.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Because he had a shady address. History is what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, this is a federal case, and you really
it's in the Southern District of New York, so you
have to live in New York. This guy was he
said he lived in the Bronx, and we prosecution found out,
and the government found out, and I think the defense
also found out he was actually living in New Jersey.
So this is that disqualifying and.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So be a mis trial too or no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
A mistrial basis, I don't think. But the defense certainly
tried to keep him. He was a black guy from
the Bronx. I've been watching him. He is not buying
what the prosecution is selling, really, and so the defense
really wanted to keep him right he was he was
a fan of nineties hip hop.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You know, if that's the reason they get thrown off
exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But it's it's it's a significant loss, I think to
the defense in terms of the diversity of the jury.
There's still eight men and for juror for women, but
now he was replaced by an older white man in
his late fifties who is an architect from Westchester.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, the reason why I thought this was interesting because
I'm like, you know, at the end of the day,
there are other black jurors. It might not be full
of black jewors, but there are other black jurors. But
I thought that it was interesting because in court, Diddy
himself physically waved his hand when the judge said, are
you willing to wave your right to appeal if.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This duror is kept right.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think at this point Diddy's team is fighting for
every inch in straw that they have to make sure
that this goes down the way it needs to go down.
They're trying for ms chials every minute they get they
want every juror that might at any point have any
sympathy or empathy for Diddy at all. So her take
was very interesting because I didn't look at Durer number
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six being dismissed as such a deal breaker. To be
honest with you guys, I feel like what will really
make or break this case will be the way that
Diddy's team presents their defense, because I do think the
government has done a really good job at presenting their case,
if even on on a smaller level. When I say
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a smaller level, I mean even if it's not him
spending the rest of his life behind bars. They've shown
elements of the crimes that they are alleging, and I
don't think that it's a race thing. I get where
they're coming from, of course, and I understand that, you know,
a black Durer from the Bronx who listens to nineties
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hip hop is gonna he's going to have a lot
more influence over that duror, right, But I think bigger
picture here, whether white, black, nineties hip hop or not,
if they're looking at the facts, so what they should be,
I think that should be the focus. But I get
it though, because I think I would hate to be
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a durer on this case as well, because, or any case,
how do you just stay focused on the facts. If
you are a person who grew up on Sean Colmb's
and in the height of his heyday in New York,
in those things like it, it's very hard not to
let personal bias or personal implications come into this. I've
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also been feeling like that from the beginning as well.
It's like, how do you sell social media? How do
you not talk to anybody about this? How do you
not let personal things come into this? I don't know
the answer to that, but we will see. But from
the feeling that I've been gathering just from being in
the courtroom and watching the jurors and those you know,
opening days that they did all the jury selection, I'm like,
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some of these people on this jury don't even know
who Sean Combs is for real, for real, Like they
know him a bit. They might know him, you know
what I mean, like in pasting or maybe heard the name,
but there were several people who weren't even truly familiar
in a way that was influential, right, Like his celebrity
is not influential on them. So you got to worry
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about winning over those because it's not like the majority
of the jury is black.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And I get it. You want to keep what you
can get, take what you can get is.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
A model of the game when you're fighting for your life.
I totally understand, But I just think that Diddy's team
has so much bigger things to worry about when it
comes to this jury and making sure that they are
thinking the way that they need them the theme.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Now, Judge Mathist spoke to TMZ.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He actually said something pretty interesting because at first, you know,
and I mentioned to you guys that didiot said that
he was down to appeal his ability to I'm sorry,
he was on the wave his ability to appeal any
decision that was made in court if this duror was dismissed.
Now the juror, I mean was not dismissed. Now the
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durer was dismissed. So you know, that whole conversation goes
out the window. So Judge Matthis said this about what
he thinks an appeal could look like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think that certainly there could have been another residence
that he was staying with his girlfriend, right, so he's
going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's frequent.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And so in that sense, he could still be living
within the jurisdiction of the jury pool. But additionally, I
think the fact that they did not give a full
hearing to the defense to be able to bring in
AffA Davis, to be able to bring in utility bills,
things of that nature that would prove that he's a
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resident of the Bronx, I think that's what should have
occurred before removing him. And in fact, I think they
should make emotion now to revisit it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You think that this is a good grounds for appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, I think it would be because you haven't allowed
a proper opportunity to prove residency. And on the other
juror getting this text message, Let's be real, those folks
on the jury, they tell someone that loved one whomever
that they're on the jury, and then the word gets out.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I was literally telling someone today at the clips the
private listening that we went to. I said, because someone
asked me like, do you think Diddy is just going
to walk free?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I was like, to be honest with you, I do not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I am not an attorney, but just from what I've
been watching and listening to based on the elements of
the crime that the government has to prove.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I do not think he is going to walk free.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
However, if he does, it'll be on technicalities or appeals
of things that are very like you wouldn't even think
about them, something like this, like what Judge matth Is is saying, right,
because if you can prove all of that in a
post conversation that like, hey, based on the facts, because
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everything in court, and that's why people don't think about
it's like everything in court is based on fact, right,
So based on facts. If I can prove that my
residence is where I told you ILL was in the beginning,
and I was dismissed for no reason, and Diddy's team
is able to make the point that they feel like
the jury was a bit less diverse and more prejudice
because of that dismissal, he.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Got something there.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I really think that's going to be hard for him
to do that, though, because his lawyers have come out
of their mouth and talked about how diverse the jury
was and how grateful they were for that. But if
he can do it, he got it, and I'm hey,
at your fighting for your life, You're you're doing whatever
by any means necessary, by any means necessary. Now, I
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like to stay very optimistic until the very end of things,
and I've been trying.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
To do that within this case.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But and maybe also to One of the things I
was thinking about today as well, is like, as the
government raps their case, one of the things we got
to think about is we've really only heard from the government.
Even though Diddy's team has got up and cross examined
and all of that, we haven't seen them lay out
their case. When I tell y'all, they got to lay
out their case. The show they got to put on
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gotta be better than Beyonce on the run of Renaissance.
I'm trying to tell y'all it is light's camera action
for them because the y'all listen, let me know how
y'all are feeling. I want to know if you guys
agree with Sonny.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I want to take it to the streets. Take it
to the tweets, right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You call the tweets outside, we outside, we outside outside.
If you guys agree with Sonny that your number six.
This black juror being dismissed is a huge loss for
Diddy's team, but also a game changer because of the
fact that he can do the appeal.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Let me know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
If you feel like it's incremental, it's nothing to focus on.
Let me know, tweet me, instagram all of the things
I want to know, because as we go throughout this
next week, literally this week, because Diddy's team wrote a
letter and said they are going to request a mistrial
if that happens, So we're going to see that happen.
I don't believe that he'll be granted a mistrial whatsoever.
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I do think that he'll be able to be heard
on appeal because of this matter, just again because of
like the because of checks and balances, right, because of
the logistics, because of the way things go. I think
he can be heard on appeal because of this. But
I don't see a mistrial happening because of this.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But you know they gonna go for it. So let
me know what y'all think.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Y'all grew with Judge mathis is this worth Diddy's team
appealing and winning an appeal on something as small as this.
Y'all gotta remember people like a lot of not comparing
it to completely separate. But Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby came
home on the technicality, not because he was proved not guilty.
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He came home because somebody didn't cross their tee and
dot their I.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm Laura de Rosa and at the end of the day,
there is a.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Lot to talk about and y'all know I want to
hear from y'all. Today's episode is definitely one of the
ones where I want y'all to chime on in tweet
me at Laura rosa Instagram. You know y'all be posting
y'all insert stories lowriters.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
At Laura Rosa as well. At the end of the day,
there's always a lot to talk about it. Y'all could
be anywhere but anybody talking about it, but y'all choose to.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Be right here with me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And I appreciate y'all for I will see you guys
in my next episode.
George.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
You don't know if you don't lie about that, right, Lauren
came in.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hey guys, it's Lauren Rosa and this is the latest
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
Now we do the behind the scenes of the grind.
Check in.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Grind and I just left a private, very intimate listening
party for the new Clips Pushing T and Malice album,
Let God sort Of Out. The album is coming on
July eleven, five, so of this year, and I gotta
say of this year because I know, you know, the
Clips fans have been waiting for a while for the album,
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but it is coming. It is a thing, and man,
when I tell y'all it is fire, I'm like, I
left there so inspire. They had this private listening event
at at the Rock Nation offices here in New York,
and they invited they invited me and me and Brandon,
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one of y'all know Brandon used to be on the
podcast sometimes. But me and Brandon went and uh, like,
when I tell y'all, I am so inspired. I feel
like this last three weeks, two to three weeks, Charlotmagne
has been yelling at me so much just about like
the quality of my work and making sure I stay
(01:30):
up with things and you know, just like digging deeper
and just not slipping. To be honest with you, like
there's a lot happening at once, a lot coming at
me at once, and things are moving, things are going great.
But you know, it's good to have like people on
you like even be He's always like checking in, like
are you good? You know what I mean, sending me
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things and you know, suggesting things and you know they're
they're really just it's very much mentor ish vibes. Even so,
it's like Big Bro and tonight when I went to
the clips listening event, I was like, I get it.
Like the longevity of their career and not even just
(02:11):
the longevity of their career, but just the way that
they are about their talent. It is so inspiring. So
if I'm checking in right now, I'm feeling inspired. I'm
feeling you know, intentional. I'm going to do a full
breakdown on the breakfast Club of the event.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
It wasn't even like an event.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was really like a private like listening, like there
were other people there, of course, but it wasn't like
a full, big, major event. They're going to do an
official release party, but this was just like a private
listening prior too. So I'll be doing a full breakdown
in a breakfast club of like what we experienced and
you know, the amazing things that we heard and what
(02:53):
I can reveal we will talk about. But you know,
if I'm doing a check in right now me recording
this podcast, I have to leave that event inspired and intentional?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Are the words? Okay, leave it at that. No, you girl,
love to take y'all a court. Love to take y'all
a court.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
But getting on into the latest, uh, you know there
is always a lot going on in court with Diddy. Uh,
you know, the child of Sean Colmbs. Can y'all believe
that we have been reporting on.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
This for six weeks now we.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Are two weeks away, just about two weeks away from
finding out the fate of one of the biggest entertainers
in the world, one of the biggest hip hop names
in the world, one of the biggest you know, music
producers in the world. I would have never I think
about this every day when I'm in court and I
(03:47):
see Diddy sitting in court, I would have never in
a million years, growing up as someone who was you know,
inspired by the lifestyle that he bring presented in the
inspiration he presented in the you know, the hustle and
the you know, just the career and the persona of
(04:09):
of Sean Holmes and what that was and what that
was to the Coulture, I would have never thought that
I would be where I am today reporting on him
being incarcerated and looking at like literally fighting for his
life at this point in court. I never thought that
I thought about that today, like, man, like this is wild.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And I am like, you know, I'm my family.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I don't know him personally, and I feel like that
I can't imagine how he feels. I can't imagine how
his kids feel because they're in the court room every
day as well.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's just insane. But yes, we are, you know, about
two weeks away.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
From you know, finding out the fate of Sean Holmes,
and people ask me all the time, Like even when
I was out at the CLIPS event today, you know,
I had you know a few people come up to
me and just you know, talk to me about the
reporting and just being in the court because a lot
of people, you know, especially people I'm meeting, they either
(05:08):
know him personally because they've been in the industry as
DJs or hosts or you know, whatever they do for
a long time, or they've either interacted with him because business,
or you know, they are fans of him as well,
or you know, we're fans of the movement. And people
are just so invested because he's been such a narrator
of our lives and of our culture for so long,
(05:31):
and so many people were coming up to me and
asking me, you know what I thought was going to happen,
and you know what they can look out for, and
you know how like what most people want to know
just what the feeling is in court, whether you're in
the overflow room, whether you're in the main courtroom.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
People want to know, like, yo, what is it like?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like, Like what is that like? What is it like seeing?
Like you know, all all of the things. And today
I realized, I'm like, man, this is going to be
talked about for decades to come because of things like that,
like people just being so invested because Diddy, Sean Colmbe's
pub daddy whatever, you know him as was literally one
(06:13):
of the most integral parts of hip hop, of music,
of entertainment, of motivation, of inspiration, of lifestyle, of marketing
in the last like twenty years.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like it's crazy, It is so crazy to see. But
you know, I keep it honest when people ask me,
I keep it honest. And what I've been saying for
a while is that, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think it's one to watch.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, I have my own opinions about what I
think will happen, and we'll talk more about that as
the prosecution the government closes their arguments, which is set
to happen by Friday of this week. They've already started,
you know, gathering and doing the things that they're doing
with their summary witnesses this week.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And you know, today was.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Interested day in court because they played freak off videos
for the jewelry, which I'm not even gonna lie to
y'all when I say that government has been moving smart.
They've people, it's like they've been like it's like they're
silent killers. To be honest with y'all, Like, I think,
you know, the way that this was approached in the
(07:22):
beginning with you know, the SWAT season a home and
doing the searches by landing by sea and all those things.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
It felt so right there in your face. And then
when you get.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
In court you realize, well, maybe it's not right there
in your face, but the government is showing you these
things were there, these you know, these these elements were there,
even if it was subtle, right, But by them showing
these freak off tapes at the end, because already told y'all,
I felt like Jane Doe as their last like major
(07:58):
most recent girlfriend witness, like homegirl is all over the place, right.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I didn't say she doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Speak to certain things that the government is trying to prove,
but I just feel like the credibility of her it
wasn't the best taste to end off on in my opinion,
like if I'm just giving my opinion, right, But then
they follow up with playing these freak off tapes, And
when they played them in court, it had already been
decided from the first first day, first week of official
(08:26):
court that anything that was that you know, sexual and
content and you know the meaning to any parties involved,
or just anything like that, because you know, they want
to make sure these women can't be blackmailed. Or things
on circulate or things on league, and you know, it's
just a very it's very sensitive content. They had already
said we were not going to play them in the
(08:47):
courtroom like out loud, and they were like, we're going
to make sure that everyone has on headphones.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Who's able to listen to them.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So the jewelry was able to listen to them, not
even the gallery of attorneys or anything like that. And
from what I was told, you know, the drawors themselves,
I mean, they have to watch it. It's a part
of their job at this point. But you know, there's
been reports of some drawers giggling. There's been reports of
some drawers, you know, being really into it. I was
(09:14):
told by a friend that was in the main courtroom
today that the attorneys, you know, the defense attorneys, Sean
Comb's attorneys did.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
These attorneys were.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Annoyed, like they were so mad that those videos are
being played at this point in the case. They were
visibly making facial expressions and you know, just things of
that nature. And I mean, I get it on their side,
I get what they're annoyed, because you got to think
about it. You hear all these things about women saying
(09:42):
I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Allegedly, I was made to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Allegedly, money caused me to do it, allegedly, you know,
the fear of what he might do to me caused
me to.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Do it allegedly.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Right, And then if you but you haven't seen it,
you've just heard about it, and you've seen the the
you know, the allege you know bruises from the violence,
and you've seen text messages about the alleged blackmailing and
all of these things. And then one of the cherries
on top is that you see video of what the
(10:13):
physical act was.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Because I don't think.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
For a lot of us that like I think for me,
it's different, right, Like being in the courtroom is very
different because I've experienced so much entertainment culture wise before
coming into the courtroom. A lot of the you know,
the people I'm meeting and the journalists I'm meeting, this
is their first time interacting with you know, a lot
(10:38):
of the people that are being mentioned and brought on
the stand.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
For me, it's a bit different because.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Living in la and working in entertainment and being a
person that's like out and about. I ain't never seen
nothing crazy, but I've been to, you know, the parties
I've experienced and been around certain things and seen certain things.
So don't and again I don't know people personally, but
to have seen that and have seen it multiple different times,
and you know, over the eight years that I was in.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
LA and then to not know the gravity of it, like.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Even if you heard rumors about certain things, I'm sitting
in the court every day like I cannot believe that
this is real. So to hear all of these stories, right,
and then all of the allegations that surround the stories,
and and you're building your thought process and your you know,
all of these things around that. And then within the
(11:30):
final few days that the government is speaking to you,
they show you what literally the visual of Okay, now
you've you've heard all of what the you know, the
force allegedly and the here's why, right, but here's the what,
here's exactly what was made to go down, and you
(11:53):
see it. I'm like, oh baby, ate that two shade,
well played? Well played.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Also, we had talked a lot about during number six
and whether that dismissal was going to happen or not.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I've talked about it on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I mentioned it briefly here, but you know a little
background Durr six had, you know, some issues.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
The judge really didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Like the fact that Jurer number six had mentioned that
he lived one place and then mentioned that he leaved another.
And you know, there's like a whole jurisdiction thing of
like you know, living in New York because it's a
southern district of New York.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, a case and just different.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Things, right, But more importantly, because the judge didn't even
mention the jurisdiction thing, the judge Moresa was focused a
lot on this draw, said one thing and then said another.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We want to know if this draw.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Is inconsistent, not telling the truth and not able to
take direction, because that matters. The judge today decided to
dismiss that during now that dur was really important to
Diddy and team because again, like I mentioned on the
Breakfast Club, this is a black dur who is from
you know, allegedly from the Bronx, grew up on nineties
(13:05):
hip hop.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Diddy's team is alleging it's not really diverse.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Up in here, y'all, Like we need this drawer, right,
the judge pointed out today though, and he said, listen,
you know, some of Diddy's attorneys themselves have commended how diverse.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
This jury is, so we're not about to do that.
But no, that duror is not staying on.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I listened to Sonny from the view just give some
remarks on Dura number six been dismissed. And I've seen
Sonny in court a couple of times.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
A lot.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Actually, i've seen her in court a lot, and I
thought her take was interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
The game changer that just happened is that they replaced
one of the jurors an alternate.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Because he had a shady address. History is what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, this is a federal case, and you really
it's in the Southern District of New York, so you
have to live in New York. This guy was he
said he lived in the Bronx, and we prosecution found out,
and the government found out, and I think the defense
also found out he was actually living in New Jersey.
So this is that disqualifying and.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
So be a mis trial too or no, it's not.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
A mistrial basis, I don't think. But the defense certainly
tried to keep him. He was a black guy from
the Bronx. I've been watching him. He is not buying
what the prosecution is selling, really, and so the defense
really wanted to keep him right he was he was
a fan of nineties hip hop.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
You know, if that's the reason they get thrown off
exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
But it's it's it's a significant loss, I think to
the defense in terms of the diversity of the jury.
There's still eight men and for juror for women, but
now he was replaced by an older white man in
his late fifties who is an architect from Westchester.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Now, the reason why I thought this was interesting because
I'm like, you know, at the end of the day,
there are other black jurors. It might not be full
of black jewors, but there are other black jurors. But
I thought that it was interesting because in court, Diddy
himself physically waved his hand when the judge said, are
you willing to wave your right to appeal if.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This duror is kept right.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think at this point Diddy's team is fighting for
every inch in straw that they have to make sure
that this goes down the way it needs to go down.
They're trying for ms chials every minute they get they
want every juror that might at any point have any
sympathy or empathy for Diddy at all. So her take
was very interesting because I didn't look at Durer number
(15:40):
six being dismissed as such a deal breaker. To be
honest with you guys, I feel like what will really
make or break this case will be the way that
Diddy's team presents their defense, because I do think the
government has done a really good job at presenting their case,
if even on on a smaller level. When I say
(16:02):
a smaller level, I mean even if it's not him
spending the rest of his life behind bars. They've shown
elements of the crimes that they are alleging, and I
don't think that it's a race thing. I get where
they're coming from, of course, and I understand that, you know,
a black Durer from the Bronx who listens to nineties
(16:24):
hip hop is gonna he's going to have a lot
more influence over that duror, right, But I think bigger
picture here, whether white, black, nineties hip hop or not,
if they're looking at the facts, so what they should be,
I think that should be the focus. But I get
it though, because I think I would hate to be
(16:45):
a durer on this case as well, because, or any case,
how do you just stay focused on the facts. If
you are a person who grew up on Sean Colmb's
and in the height of his heyday in New York,
in those things like it, it's very hard not to
let personal bias or personal implications come into this. I've
(17:06):
also been feeling like that from the beginning as well.
It's like, how do you sell social media? How do
you not talk to anybody about this? How do you
not let personal things come into this? I don't know
the answer to that, but we will see. But from
the feeling that I've been gathering just from being in
the courtroom and watching the jurors and those you know,
opening days that they did all the jury selection, I'm like,
(17:29):
some of these people on this jury don't even know
who Sean Combs is for real, for real, Like they
know him a bit. They might know him, you know
what I mean, like in pasting or maybe heard the name,
but there were several people who weren't even truly familiar
in a way that was influential, right, Like his celebrity
is not influential on them. So you got to worry
(17:50):
about winning over those because it's not like the majority
of the jury is black.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And I get it. You want to keep what you
can get, take what you can get is.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
A model of the game when you're fighting for your life.
I totally understand, But I just think that Diddy's team
has so much bigger things to worry about when it
comes to this jury and making sure that they are
thinking the way that they need them the theme.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Now, Judge Mathist spoke to TMZ.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
He actually said something pretty interesting because at first, you know,
and I mentioned to you guys that didiot said that
he was down to appeal his ability to I'm sorry,
he was on the wave his ability to appeal any
decision that was made in court if this duror was dismissed.
Now the juror, I mean was not dismissed. Now the
(18:35):
durer was dismissed. So you know, that whole conversation goes
out the window. So Judge Matthis said this about what
he thinks an appeal could look like.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think that certainly there could have been another residence
that he was staying with his girlfriend, right, so he's
going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's frequent.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And so in that sense, he could still be living
within the jurisdiction of the jury pool. But additionally, I
think the fact that they did not give a full
hearing to the defense to be able to bring in
AffA Davis, to be able to bring in utility bills,
things of that nature that would prove that he's a
(19:16):
resident of the Bronx, I think that's what should have
occurred before removing him. And in fact, I think they
should make emotion now to revisit it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
You think that this is a good grounds for appeal.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes, I think it would be because you haven't allowed
a proper opportunity to prove residency. And on the other
juror getting this text message, Let's be real, those folks
on the jury, they tell someone that loved one whomever
that they're on the jury, and then the word gets out.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I'm not gonna lie to y'all.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I was literally telling someone today at the clips the
private listening that we went to. I said, because someone
asked me like, do you think Diddy is just going
to walk free?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I was like, to be honest with you, I do not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I am not an attorney, but just from what I've
been watching and listening to based on the elements of
the crime that the government has to prove.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I do not think he is going to walk free.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
However, if he does, it'll be on technicalities or appeals
of things that are very like you wouldn't even think
about them, something like this, like what Judge matth Is is saying, right,
because if you can prove all of that in a
post conversation that like, hey, based on the facts, because
(20:34):
everything in court, and that's why people don't think about
it's like everything in court is based on fact, right,
So based on facts. If I can prove that my
residence is where I told you ILL was in the beginning,
and I was dismissed for no reason, and Diddy's team
is able to make the point that they feel like
the jury was a bit less diverse and more prejudice
because of that dismissal, he.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Got something there.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I really think that's going to be hard for him
to do that, though, because his lawyers have come out
of their mouth and talked about how diverse the jury
was and how grateful they were for that. But if
he can do it, he got it, and I'm hey,
at your fighting for your life, You're you're doing whatever
by any means necessary, by any means necessary. Now, I
(21:16):
like to stay very optimistic until the very end of things,
and I've been trying.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
To do that within this case.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But and maybe also to One of the things I
was thinking about today as well, is like, as the
government raps their case, one of the things we got
to think about is we've really only heard from the government.
Even though Diddy's team has got up and cross examined
and all of that, we haven't seen them lay out
their case. When I tell y'all, they got to lay
out their case. The show they got to put on
(21:46):
gotta be better than Beyonce on the run of Renaissance.
I'm trying to tell y'all it is light's camera action
for them because the y'all listen, let me know how
y'all are feeling. I want to know if you guys
agree with Sonny.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
I want to take it to the streets. Take it
to the tweets, right.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You call the tweets outside, we outside, we outside outside.
If you guys agree with Sonny that your number six.
This black juror being dismissed is a huge loss for
Diddy's team, but also a game changer because of the
fact that he can do the appeal.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Let me know.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
If you feel like it's incremental, it's nothing to focus on.
Let me know, tweet me, instagram all of the things
I want to know, because as we go throughout this
next week, literally this week, because Diddy's team wrote a
letter and said they are going to request a mistrial
if that happens, So we're going to see that happen.
I don't believe that he'll be granted a mistrial whatsoever.
(22:54):
I do think that he'll be able to be heard
on appeal because of this matter, just again because of
like the because of checks and balances, right, because of
the logistics, because of the way things go. I think
he can be heard on appeal because of this. But
I don't see a mistrial happening because of this.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But you know they gonna go for it. So let
me know what y'all think.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Y'all grew with Judge mathis is this worth Diddy's team
appealing and winning an appeal on something as small as this.
Y'all gotta remember people like a lot of not comparing
it to completely separate. But Bill Cosby, Bill Cosby came
home on the technicality, not because he was proved not guilty.
(23:36):
He came home because somebody didn't cross their tee and
dot their I.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
I'm Laura de Rosa and at the end of the day,
there is a.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Lot to talk about and y'all know I want to
hear from y'all. Today's episode is definitely one of the
ones where I want y'all to chime on in tweet
me at Laura rosa Instagram. You know y'all be posting
y'all insert stories lowriters.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
At Laura Rosa as well. At the end of the day,
there's always a lot to talk about it. Y'all could
be anywhere but anybody talking about it, but y'all choose to.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Be right here with me.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
And I appreciate y'all for I will see you guys
in my next episode.
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