July 7, 2025 • 25 mins
Loren is back from a beautiful weekend off, up early, ready to work. Drake’s got new music, "What Did I Miss?" Is a direct response to the “Not Like Us” era. Feels kinda like a waste of time… Diddy’s celebrated by fellow inmates in his return this week for beating the feds. But what did he get away with and what is his legacy?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
George.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody, you know, if.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You don't lie about that, right Lauren, Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Y'all, it's Lauren Lorosa and this is the latest with
Lauren Loroza. First episode back after the holiday weekend. And y'all, okay,
before we get on into the things, cause y'all know
that this is where you come. This is your daily
dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, exclusives, and
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all of the conversations that shake the room. But guys,
I had such an amazing Fourth of July holiday with
my family. If we're checking in behind the scenes of
the grind, Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My holiday was great.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's always just a very like you know, people tell
you like you gotta go put your feet on the ground,
feet on is it feet on the ground? Boots on
the ground. See, my family kept doing the boots on
the groundline dance. So now my mind is all everything's
boots on the ground and fans and where the fans that.
But the the line that you hear often from people
is every now and then, you gotta go put your
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feet on the grass, and just you know, it's like
a don't forget where you come from, connect back with
you know, the land, the people, the earth, all the things.
It's like a centering conversation that people have. So I
was really looking forward leading up to this break to
number one, just have the vacation that we had. I
did take fourth of July off, even here at the podcast,
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and y'all know I don't do that, but I really
wanted to take the time to just like breathe in,
breathe out, let it go. After the close of Diddy's trial,
there is still more to come in that and we'll
get into that, but I did need the mental digest,
like the mental release, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And it's always different when you're around.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
People that love you, that you love, family, who don't
care anything about any of this stuff. Yes, everybody had
Diddy questions, but they don't care about any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So yes, it's just like a centering thing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So if I'm checking it out, how I'm feeling today
behind the scenes of the grind, I'm feeling very centered.
I'm ready to get back to work, get back into
the action, back into the things, to the point where
I actually got up this morning and went to the
breakfast club at five thirty am, thinking that we were
back live on air today and we do not return
until tomorrow. So that's how anxious I was. And it's
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the most amazing sleep that you get after you realize
you woke up too early or you didn't even have
to wake up early at all, and then you could
go back to sleep. So it's been great Chef's Kiss,
Chef's Kiss. But let's get on into the latest, because
there has been things that have went down since the
last time I've been here breaking things down with you guys.
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Over the holiday weekend, there was some new music that dropped.
Drake dropped a new song. The song is called What
Did I Miss? He also premiered a song. It wasn't
like a full premiere though. It's just like a clip
of a song called super Max where he's like talking
to or talking about a conversation he had with a friend.
It later came out Taylor Rook's confirmed that the friend
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was her. Where he's talked, where he's being talked to
about people around him not being able to handle pressure
and fame and you know that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But back to what did I Miss? Because What did
I Miss?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Is a direct response or effect or consequence or whatever
of the Not Like Us era. I cannot believe that
we are still here when it comes to like I
know in conversation, we're still going to be here. But
when it comes to Drake and Kendrick actually making music,
I can't believe that Drake is still dropping songs referencing
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things that happened to him around the Not Like Us time.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So a few things that stood out during this song.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know, Drake talks a lot about you know, just
people switching sides, and you know, some of the things
that we've heard heard him talk about leading up to
this point. This is not his first time having this conversation.
More specifically, he talks about Lebron in this song. Here's
the line I saw bro.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Windo pop out with them and did Ryan.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Gains his hand lines?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now, Look, I have no issue with music artists talking
through their real life and their music. I think that
your real life is what inspires your art. I think
that when you know artists, whether you're a music artist
or whatever you do, when you're gifted enough to be
able to take your real life and bring it into
your talent and into your art and portray in a
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way that then becomes something that people can, you know,
debate about or have conversation about.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think that that is genius.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But the reason why I'm not a big fan of
What Did I Miss and Drake rapping throughout, you know,
rapping through his problems on this song is because I
feel like the substance of the song is just it's
a waste of Drake's time. If I'm being honest with you,
I feel like Drake wasted his time with this song.
I mean, it's Drake, so of course people are gonna
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love it. Of course it's gonna do what it does
because he's Drake. He's one of the biggest artists in
the world. But I do think substance matters for him,
especially right now when everybody is still having these back
and forth conversations about Drake and Kendrick Lamar. I just
think it's important now. When I was thinking about this,
as I was listening to the song and I was
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I was trying to figure out why I really didn't
care for this song much. I was trying to figure
out where does Drake even go from here?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Because what did I miss? Like sonically it's.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Cool, like it's you know, the beat is cool, Drake's rapping,
and I actually enjoy Drake rapper Drake.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I like melody Drake as well.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And I know that that has been a conversation especially
since the not like a stuff of people feeling like
Drake needs to stick to being melodic and singing and
you know, or I guess it's what you call what
Drake does, you call sing it. But y'all know what
I mean when when Drake getting his melody back is
very different than rapper Drake.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But I'm one of the you know, the the Drake.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Fans and listeners that I appreciate both like I like
Drake as a rapper, but I also love Drake on
the melodies when he talking to the girls and you know,
or it's just like a party anthem something like that.
But I just feel like here right, like, my issue
isn't that Drake is rapping. That has been a lot
of the conversation around this song. Though people are just
upset that he's rapping. They don't want him to do that.
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My issue, though, is I think at this point we
have gotten to a point with this wrap back and
forth between Kendrick Lamar and Drake where the artists themselves
should be moved on, like we know who. We know
clearly who won the battle. We saw effort from both sides.
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But at this point, there's nothing that Drake can say
about that situation or that time that is going to
make people have the empathy for him that I think
that he's looking for. And the only reason why I
said I think that he's looking for because every single
time since not like us in the conversation of Drake
lost the battle and people switch insides. The only conversation
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we've heard from Drake through his music and you know,
little subliminals on stage and you know him popping up
at the basketball games and throwing side eyes at you know,
the Martin rose In and things like that. Right, the
only thing that we've heard from him directly has been
it's very much been woe is Me? And I don't
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feel that for him. And it's not because he lost
the battle. Drake is still Drake. He's still great at
what he does. I still love the music. But it's like, Bro,
you threw your ring in a hat and it didn't
work out. It didn't work out in your favor, and
I don't know why we are like if I'm Drake.
I'm not spending more time on that. I'm great as
an artist. I'm great at what I do. I'm figuring
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out what my new subject matter should be and I'm
going there. And maybe that's the real conversation of like
you know, because because there's always been to talk after
the not like Us moment of did Kendrick Lamar pull
back the curtain on the fact that there is no
real substance to Drake and have we as fans and
as listeners just been so okay with that because the
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music is great and there's nothing wrong with that either.
I don't agree with that rhetoric. I think that Drake
has substance of his own. I just don't know what
that looks like at where he is in life today,
as you know, as the father he is, as the
super rich, successful artist, he is, as the demand he
is right because when when Drizzy Drake, you know what
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I mean, When when when I'm talking like old like
mixtape era, Drake was rapping, it was hunger, it was
I'm trying to get on and so y'all got to
hear me. It's you know, I'm representing Canada and I
want you all to know about us and know who
we are, you know what our style is like Now
I don't know what his substance. I don't know what
his subject matter is. And that's the issue here. I
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think what did I miss was not a hit. It
was a miss because of the substance matter. It was
lack thereof. It's like, what are we even talking about?
And why Like, why are you spending so much time
telling Lebron why your feelings are hurt? We know your
feelings were hurt. We heard you say that already, you
got it out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And I know people are gonna argue, well, they've had
the relationship that they've had, and you know, Drake was
doing things with uninterrupted in Canada and Lebron was popping
out and supporting him at his shows and all of
these things that they've been friends for a very long time.
People also talk about that Drake tattoo, that Drake Lebron tattoo,
and you know he was showing him so much respect,
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and you know, all of that is fine and dandy,
and the fans and the conversations are entitled to it.
But at this point, right now, if I'm Drake, I
really would be trying to figure out what is it
that I'm saying and why if I'm just having a
good time. Take No Kya for instance, Right the minute
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I heard some Sexy Songs for You, which is him
and Party next Door's collab album, I knew Nokia was
a hit.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That was the first thing I.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Said about this album the very next day that it dropped,
and people thought I was crazy. They were like, the
song is not even like that, Like he not really
talking about much on this album.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's like because people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Want to hear Drake talk about the whole Kendrick Lamart thing,
but then it's like they don't want to hear it.
I'm wanted the people that I felt I wanted to
hear it at first we heard it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I just want you to move on.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But Nokia was a bop and now Nokia is It's
such it what No Kia's Drake is Drake again, So
his music is always going to do well. But Nokia
everywhere song of the Summer easily, and he didn't talk
about anything beef wise in that song.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He's just having a good time. So there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
If Drake is at the point of his career where
He's like, I just want to have a good time.
I don't want to make music where you got a
d code, you gotta this and you gotta that. I
think that it is a disservice to like his core
fans who know him as this witty you gotta listen
to it a few times all of his songs become
the caption of all over it, Like y'all remember when
Drake used to drop for real for real and his
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captions literally every lyric, every bar, every hook became Instagram
captions and social media captions for like the next six months.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Like there was a point in time where Drake's lyrics.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ran social media, how people posted, how they captioned like everything.
Right now, we're at this point where his music is
coming and going. And it's not because I don't think
he's talented. I think a lot of us are looking
to rediscover his substance. And I think that one thing
that the Kendrick Lamar Drake did in his favor was
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make us want to do that. Some people are looking
at this as like, oh my god, he lost the battle.
He's not Drake anymore. This is such a hit to
his career. No, Drake is still crazy. Famous music is
still good. This is a time for him to really
figure out what that direction is, whether it's partying or
it is a substance or it's both. And take us
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there like we're waiting to see what is next? And
then what did I misdrop? And I'm like, first of all,
you didn't miss nothing. You was right there along with
all of us on the EDGAC because you responded to everything.
Your feelings were hurt by things. You're still talking about
Lebron and you know what you didn't like about seeing
Lebron at the PopOut show. I just I just think
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it's a waste of Drake's time and I think it's
always its talent. And it's crazy because I actually had
a conversation I need to sit down interview with Elliott Wilson,
and the interview was great. Make sure you guys gonna
check it out. It's on the Hip Hop DX YouTube channel.
If you go to YouTube and search Elliott Wilson, Laura
and La Rosa, you'll see it there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But check out the full interview.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We talked about a lot of different things, but Drake
and Kendrick Lamar came up and here's the conversation we
had take a listen.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
To sit down with Drake and Kendrick. What would it
be the first thing you would say to them them
two together, Yeah, like sway with Jay and Dodds. Let's
say you got your only Laura La Wilson, get Drake
and Kendrick in the room. How do you thout the
conversation with these fools?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's the first question, is like, I got y'all in
the same room, But can this ever really be resolved?
And we just go from there because I don't think
that it can. I think what we're watching and the
reason why people.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Are us not even because in real life.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You have one person that really just doesn't respect the
character of another person in real life and then you're
he's telling us through the music, right, I think that
with and you know you you were outside during this time.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I wasn't. But from my perspective of what jay.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Z and Nas is like they had their differences, but
like they both were yeah right respect and yeah, what
we're seeing right now is like there is a lack
of respect.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Like when I tell you, guys, people are so locked
into the Drake and Kendrick Lamar, because in real life
you can feel that there is a man I don't
really like you. And now in real life we're trying
to decide, well, who is Drake? We love his music,
but who is he? What do we really know about him?
And what he stands on it, what he stands for
and like all those things. And I think that's a
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natural thing to do as a fan for any artist
as they grow. I just think that this Beef has
put a spotlight on it, Like now, you really want
to make sure you understand so that when you go
to defend Drake or defend his music, you know what
you're standing on. That's why substance matter. That's why substance matters.
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But where does Drake go now? Because as I mentioned, right, y'all,
Not Like Us happened. Then we fast forward, Nokia drops
some sexy songs for you, drop some bangers on there,
and they do well. But everybody is still talking about
the beef. Everything Drake does, even if he doesn't do
it to like this song, he's actually referencing things that
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were a direct effect of Not Like Us. But even
when he drops songs that has nothing to do with it,
nothing right, the fans still take it there. The hip
hop journalists still take you back there. Can Drake ever
escape the not Like Us effect? Is that a real thing?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Like Ken?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And I'm being so serious. I would love low Riders
every time. I tell y'all would love to hear from y'all.
Y'all blow me up with the conversations, and I love that.
I would really love to hear from you guys on
if you think Drake can escape the not Like Us error?
Where if he makes it, is it a good song?
Because Nokia was a good song. Whether you want to
argue if substance was there or not, did he take
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you on a journey of a story or not? You
can argue that, but it was a great song for
all the critics and I'm one of them, and I
can't answer the question yet.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I've been I've been trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Where does Drake go from here direction wise with his
music and can that get him out.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Of the not Like Us choke hold?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Because baby, the choke hold is choking okay now, Also
in the latest, because y'all know, people are still wondering,
Like the the Diddy verdict dropped, we found out that
he was found not guilty on three of the five charges.
He's only looking to face the consequences for their prostitution charge.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But people want to.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Know what's about to happen. There was a report that
came out. It was a AP News that a report
They spoke to Diddy's attorneys about what it was like
for him to return to prison after the verdict dropped,
and Diddy's attorney Mark Agnifilio told the AP that Diddy
was welcomed with cheers and claps and celebration when he
walked back into prison, because the prisoners were saying thanks
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to him, like we've never seen someone beat the Feds
and beat the government like that, and that I'm not
surprised by that response, especially not by you know, other
inmates who are currently going through their own ins and
outs with the government and you know, all those things.
But that is the feeling and the conversation, Like over
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the holiday weekend, all of my family, whether they think
that Diddy is a horrible person now because of all
these things they've heard or not.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The one thing you heard.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Echoed was yeah, but at the end of the day,
he beat the government. And I said this, I was
I did NBC New York, NBC for New York shout
out to them. We did a weekly breakdown called The
Case where we talked about Ditty's Case Sean Dittycomb's case
every week. It lasted for several weeks, so there's a
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lot of content there for you guys to go and
watch if you choose to. And the date at the
verdict dropped right after we heard the decision of the
judge not to give Diddy bond and I talk to
you guys about this in my last episode before we
took our holiday break. We talked a little bit about
what it would have been like if Diddy were to
walk out of the courthouse the day that his verdict
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had dropped.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Take a listen to what I said.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Joining us from outside court, Laura lroe So who's not
only been joining us here on the case, but she's
been reporting on the Breakfast Club on Power one oh five.
And Lauren, you've been at the intersection of social media,
pop culture and justice, which is really what it's about.
We may have seen it before, but not quite like this.
So let me start with you talk us through.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I think if he were able to walk out
of court today, the image.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Of Diddy, Sean Didy Combs walking out in a crowd
full of people. Today, there were people out here like
I've never seen before, screaming free Puff.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And there was so much joy and excitement when he
was found out guilty on three out of the five charges,
after his legal team says this was a black man
who was very wealthy that was targeted by the government.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
They would have leaned it on that image, and I
think he.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Would have been able to almost gain sympathy from the
people who've kind of thrown him away, especially since that
Cassie video.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But it's different now.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And that is what I know it knew his team
would lean into. Right, you have this image. If he
had walked out of the courtroom, it would have been stronger.
But right now, it's not the image of him like
a physical photo or video of Sean Combs walking out
of the courtroom after beating a rico charge. Right, But
you have the narrative in the conversation because when you
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think about it, he was looking at life. What he's
going to be looking at now is not nearly anything
compared to what he was going to be looking at before.
So you do have the conversation of this black man
whose attorneys are alleging he was targeted by the government
winning to some extent. Now, whether that winning makes it
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where he can actually be able to come back into
the world after he does whatever time or whatever consequence
he'll be looking at for that prostitution conviction, right, whether
he can come back into the world and be the
superstar that he was, which I don't think is fully possible.
I do think that you know, celebrity has celebrity is celebrity, right,
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And there were a lot of people who were upset
about the way that people were, you know, celebrating Sean
Combs's ditties win on that verdict day that there was
a lot of conversation around the fact that, you know,
did he at the end of the day, whether he
did not was not found guilty of that racketeering, conspiracy
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and the sex trafficking. We had seen videos and photos
of him brutally beating Cassie, and there are a lot
of people who are upset that he's being celebrated on
one hand for beating that rico charge, when on the
other hand, there's the domestic violence that we all saw,
even though he was not on trial for it. We
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saw it and it happened, and people want to make
sure that we remember that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Craziest underlying truth? And this is not my personal opinion,
this is just the truth. There is always something to
celebrity that will allow for anything, any wrongdoing of any
person to be somewhat ignored. When you think about r
Kelly and all that think Kelly's he didn't win anything.
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R Kelly is sitting in behind bars right now and
will be probably for the rest of his life. And
there are still people out here arguing that he was
set up, that he was you know, all of these
things that literally were proven not correct in court, right,
But because of his celebrity and because of the fact
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that people grew up listening to him in there, and
you know, the fandom of it all, there are people
that will still argue for him and will turn their
head completely to everything that we've heard be done to
other people because of this man's power. Now, I don't
want to compare the two, because I do think that
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the Diddy conversation r Kelly conversation are different, which is
why Diddy was not convicted on sex trafficking in the
Rico charge, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Even think it's not even that. I think it's not
about what I.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Think if we're looking at what was actually Diddy was
actually convicted of in a courtroom versus what R Kelly
was convicted of in the courtroom, there are there's difference
there based on just solely based on tongue in cheek,
just solely based on the charges and what was actually
convicted in one in court is what I'm talking about here, right.
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But you think about other celebrities, right like you think
about a Kanye West, who people have strong feeling about
because of some of the political comments that he's made,
in the racial comments he's made, and just various things.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But I was there at.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
The courtroom when Kanye West came to the courtroom. I
saw the way people acted like they had never seen
a celebrity in their life, like literally running from floor
to floors and buildings trying to find him the mayhem
it calls outside of the courtroom. There is always going
to be something to celebrity. So I don't know what
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that looks like for Diddy when he, you know, returns
home from all this at whatever time that is after
Howard Amount of time, but there is something to it.
And my question and what my thought is is what
does that look like for him? I know a lot
of brands will not touch him. It's too messy now,
it's too tainted. We've seen that Cassie video. You cannot
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get that image out of your head. But does he
live off of that core base of people who were
so caught up on a celebrity that they're willing to
turn their head to the side on everything else. Now,
there's a conversation that will happen this week on Diddy's
sentencing and when that will be. As of right now,
the sentencing is October third, But his lawyers did ask
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in court and the government did not object to this
for the sentencing to be moved up, to be expedited,
because they wanted it to happen while everything was still
fresh in the court's mind, of everything that happened to
trial and everything that we've heard and you know, all
the things. And the government didn't object to this. So
they're going to have a conversation. It'll be virtual via zoom.
I think God reminded you guys did this in my
last episode. But just to put a button on this
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so they'll talk virtually via zoom about what that sentencing
timeline looks like when it will happen, and then the
sentencing will happen and we'll we'll find out, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
How long Sean Colmbs will be you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Know, behind bars or whatever will happen following the verdict
that we watched go down about a week ago at
this point, so that has been the latest with Lorna
Rosa as always here to keep you guys updated. That
is what we are here for, Low Riders. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
My aunts. They had a little funny, little jokey job.
If were taking y'all, I'm taking y'all outside into the
streets with me, and the tweets with me. Be outside,
we outside, we outside okade tweets every other page.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
My aunts, we were talking about the podcast and I
was talking about the Low Riders and they are telling
me that the people want some merch merch for my lower.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So I gat my shirt and do I love Liner
because we.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Don't love Viot them.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I appreciate you guys for tuning in because y'all know,
at the end of the day, there's always a lot
to talk about. So every single time that you guys
are here to talk about it with me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I you know, I always tell y'all how much I
appreciate you guys, and I do. I will see you
guys in my next episode. I'm out.
George.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm a homegrown that knows a little bit about everything
and everybody, you know, if.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
You don't lie about that, right Lauren, Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Y'all, it's Lauren Lorosa and this is the latest with
Lauren Loroza. First episode back after the holiday weekend. And y'all, okay,
before we get on into the things, cause y'all know
that this is where you come. This is your daily
dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news, exclusives, and
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all of the conversations that shake the room. But guys,
I had such an amazing Fourth of July holiday with
my family. If we're checking in behind the scenes of
the grind, Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
My holiday was great.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's always just a very like you know, people tell
you like you gotta go put your feet on the ground,
feet on is it feet on the ground? Boots on
the ground. See, my family kept doing the boots on
the groundline dance. So now my mind is all everything's
boots on the ground and fans and where the fans that.
But the the line that you hear often from people
is every now and then, you gotta go put your
(01:07):
feet on the grass, and just you know, it's like
a don't forget where you come from, connect back with
you know, the land, the people, the earth, all the things.
It's like a centering conversation that people have. So I
was really looking forward leading up to this break to
number one, just have the vacation that we had. I
did take fourth of July off, even here at the podcast,
(01:29):
and y'all know I don't do that, but I really
wanted to take the time to just like breathe in,
breathe out, let it go. After the close of Diddy's trial,
there is still more to come in that and we'll
get into that, but I did need the mental digest,
like the mental release, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And it's always different when you're around.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
People that love you, that you love, family, who don't
care anything about any of this stuff. Yes, everybody had
Diddy questions, but they don't care about any of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So yes, it's just like a centering thing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
So if I'm checking it out, how I'm feeling today
behind the scenes of the grind, I'm feeling very centered.
I'm ready to get back to work, get back into
the action, back into the things, to the point where
I actually got up this morning and went to the
breakfast club at five thirty am, thinking that we were
back live on air today and we do not return
until tomorrow. So that's how anxious I was. And it's
(02:27):
the most amazing sleep that you get after you realize
you woke up too early or you didn't even have
to wake up early at all, and then you could
go back to sleep. So it's been great Chef's Kiss,
Chef's Kiss. But let's get on into the latest, because
there has been things that have went down since the
last time I've been here breaking things down with you guys.
(02:49):
Over the holiday weekend, there was some new music that dropped.
Drake dropped a new song. The song is called What
Did I Miss? He also premiered a song. It wasn't
like a full premiere though. It's just like a clip
of a song called super Max where he's like talking
to or talking about a conversation he had with a friend.
It later came out Taylor Rook's confirmed that the friend
(03:11):
was her. Where he's talked, where he's being talked to
about people around him not being able to handle pressure
and fame and you know that whole thing.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
But back to what did I Miss? Because What did
I Miss?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Is a direct response or effect or consequence or whatever
of the Not Like Us era. I cannot believe that
we are still here when it comes to like I
know in conversation, we're still going to be here. But
when it comes to Drake and Kendrick actually making music,
I can't believe that Drake is still dropping songs referencing
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things that happened to him around the Not Like Us time.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So a few things that stood out during this song.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
You know, Drake talks a lot about you know, just
people switching sides, and you know, some of the things
that we've heard heard him talk about leading up to
this point. This is not his first time having this conversation.
More specifically, he talks about Lebron in this song. Here's
the line I saw bro.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Windo pop out with them and did Ryan.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Gains his hand lines?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now, Look, I have no issue with music artists talking
through their real life and their music. I think that
your real life is what inspires your art. I think
that when you know artists, whether you're a music artist
or whatever you do, when you're gifted enough to be
able to take your real life and bring it into
your talent and into your art and portray in a
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way that then becomes something that people can, you know,
debate about or have conversation about.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I think that that is genius.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
But the reason why I'm not a big fan of
What Did I Miss and Drake rapping throughout, you know,
rapping through his problems on this song is because I
feel like the substance of the song is just it's
a waste of Drake's time. If I'm being honest with you,
I feel like Drake wasted his time with this song.
I mean, it's Drake, so of course people are gonna
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love it. Of course it's gonna do what it does
because he's Drake. He's one of the biggest artists in
the world. But I do think substance matters for him,
especially right now when everybody is still having these back
and forth conversations about Drake and Kendrick Lamar. I just
think it's important now. When I was thinking about this,
as I was listening to the song and I was
(05:24):
I was trying to figure out why I really didn't
care for this song much. I was trying to figure
out where does Drake even go from here?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Because what did I miss? Like sonically it's.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Cool, like it's you know, the beat is cool, Drake's rapping,
and I actually enjoy Drake rapper Drake.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I like melody Drake as well.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And I know that that has been a conversation especially
since the not like a stuff of people feeling like
Drake needs to stick to being melodic and singing and
you know, or I guess it's what you call what
Drake does, you call sing it. But y'all know what
I mean when when Drake getting his melody back is
very different than rapper Drake.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But I'm one of the you know, the the Drake.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Fans and listeners that I appreciate both like I like
Drake as a rapper, but I also love Drake on
the melodies when he talking to the girls and you know,
or it's just like a party anthem something like that.
But I just feel like here right, like, my issue
isn't that Drake is rapping. That has been a lot
of the conversation around this song. Though people are just
upset that he's rapping. They don't want him to do that.
(06:27):
My issue, though, is I think at this point we
have gotten to a point with this wrap back and
forth between Kendrick Lamar and Drake where the artists themselves
should be moved on, like we know who. We know
clearly who won the battle. We saw effort from both sides.
(06:47):
But at this point, there's nothing that Drake can say
about that situation or that time that is going to
make people have the empathy for him that I think
that he's looking for. And the only reason why I
said I think that he's looking for because every single
time since not like us in the conversation of Drake
lost the battle and people switch insides. The only conversation
(07:10):
we've heard from Drake through his music and you know,
little subliminals on stage and you know him popping up
at the basketball games and throwing side eyes at you know,
the Martin rose In and things like that. Right, the
only thing that we've heard from him directly has been
it's very much been woe is Me? And I don't
(07:31):
feel that for him. And it's not because he lost
the battle. Drake is still Drake. He's still great at
what he does. I still love the music. But it's like, Bro,
you threw your ring in a hat and it didn't
work out. It didn't work out in your favor, and
I don't know why we are like if I'm Drake.
I'm not spending more time on that. I'm great as
an artist. I'm great at what I do. I'm figuring
(07:52):
out what my new subject matter should be and I'm
going there. And maybe that's the real conversation of like
you know, because because there's always been to talk after
the not like Us moment of did Kendrick Lamar pull
back the curtain on the fact that there is no
real substance to Drake and have we as fans and
as listeners just been so okay with that because the
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music is great and there's nothing wrong with that either.
I don't agree with that rhetoric. I think that Drake
has substance of his own. I just don't know what
that looks like at where he is in life today,
as you know, as the father he is, as the
super rich, successful artist, he is, as the demand he
is right because when when Drizzy Drake, you know what
(08:36):
I mean, When when when I'm talking like old like
mixtape era, Drake was rapping, it was hunger, it was
I'm trying to get on and so y'all got to
hear me. It's you know, I'm representing Canada and I
want you all to know about us and know who
we are, you know what our style is like Now
I don't know what his substance. I don't know what
his subject matter is. And that's the issue here. I
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think what did I miss was not a hit. It
was a miss because of the substance matter. It was
lack thereof. It's like, what are we even talking about?
And why Like, why are you spending so much time
telling Lebron why your feelings are hurt? We know your
feelings were hurt. We heard you say that already, you
got it out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Let's move on.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And I know people are gonna argue, well, they've had
the relationship that they've had, and you know, Drake was
doing things with uninterrupted in Canada and Lebron was popping
out and supporting him at his shows and all of
these things that they've been friends for a very long time.
People also talk about that Drake tattoo, that Drake Lebron tattoo,
and you know he was showing him so much respect,
(09:37):
and you know, all of that is fine and dandy,
and the fans and the conversations are entitled to it.
But at this point, right now, if I'm Drake, I
really would be trying to figure out what is it
that I'm saying and why if I'm just having a
good time. Take No Kya for instance, Right the minute
(09:58):
I heard some Sexy Songs for You, which is him
and Party next Door's collab album, I knew Nokia was
a hit.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That was the first thing I.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Said about this album the very next day that it dropped,
and people thought I was crazy. They were like, the
song is not even like that, Like he not really
talking about much on this album.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
It's like because people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Want to hear Drake talk about the whole Kendrick Lamart thing,
but then it's like they don't want to hear it.
I'm wanted the people that I felt I wanted to
hear it at first we heard it.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I just want you to move on.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
But Nokia was a bop and now Nokia is It's
such it what No Kia's Drake is Drake again, So
his music is always going to do well. But Nokia
everywhere song of the Summer easily, and he didn't talk
about anything beef wise in that song.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
He's just having a good time. So there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
If Drake is at the point of his career where
He's like, I just want to have a good time.
I don't want to make music where you got a
d code, you gotta this and you gotta that. I
think that it is a disservice to like his core
fans who know him as this witty you gotta listen
to it a few times all of his songs become
the caption of all over it, Like y'all remember when
Drake used to drop for real for real and his
(11:07):
captions literally every lyric, every bar, every hook became Instagram
captions and social media captions for like the next six months.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Like there was a point in time where Drake's lyrics.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Ran social media, how people posted, how they captioned like everything.
Right now, we're at this point where his music is
coming and going. And it's not because I don't think
he's talented. I think a lot of us are looking
to rediscover his substance. And I think that one thing
that the Kendrick Lamar Drake did in his favor was
(11:43):
make us want to do that. Some people are looking
at this as like, oh my god, he lost the battle.
He's not Drake anymore. This is such a hit to
his career. No, Drake is still crazy. Famous music is
still good. This is a time for him to really
figure out what that direction is, whether it's partying or
it is a substance or it's both. And take us
(12:03):
there like we're waiting to see what is next? And
then what did I misdrop? And I'm like, first of all,
you didn't miss nothing. You was right there along with
all of us on the EDGAC because you responded to everything.
Your feelings were hurt by things. You're still talking about
Lebron and you know what you didn't like about seeing
Lebron at the PopOut show. I just I just think
(12:23):
it's a waste of Drake's time and I think it's
always its talent. And it's crazy because I actually had
a conversation I need to sit down interview with Elliott Wilson,
and the interview was great. Make sure you guys gonna
check it out. It's on the Hip Hop DX YouTube channel.
If you go to YouTube and search Elliott Wilson, Laura
and La Rosa, you'll see it there.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
But check out the full interview.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We talked about a lot of different things, but Drake
and Kendrick Lamar came up and here's the conversation we
had take a listen.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
To sit down with Drake and Kendrick. What would it
be the first thing you would say to them them
two together, Yeah, like sway with Jay and Dodds. Let's
say you got your only Laura La Wilson, get Drake
and Kendrick in the room. How do you thout the
conversation with these fools?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's the first question, is like, I got y'all in
the same room, But can this ever really be resolved?
And we just go from there because I don't think
that it can. I think what we're watching and the
reason why people.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Are us not even because in real life.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You have one person that really just doesn't respect the
character of another person in real life and then you're
he's telling us through the music, right, I think that
with and you know you you were outside during this time.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I wasn't. But from my perspective of what jay.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Z and Nas is like they had their differences, but
like they both were yeah right respect and yeah, what
we're seeing right now is like there is a lack
of respect.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Like when I tell you, guys, people are so locked
into the Drake and Kendrick Lamar, because in real life
you can feel that there is a man I don't
really like you. And now in real life we're trying
to decide, well, who is Drake? We love his music,
but who is he? What do we really know about him?
And what he stands on it, what he stands for
and like all those things. And I think that's a
(14:08):
natural thing to do as a fan for any artist
as they grow. I just think that this Beef has
put a spotlight on it, Like now, you really want
to make sure you understand so that when you go
to defend Drake or defend his music, you know what
you're standing on. That's why substance matter. That's why substance matters.
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But where does Drake go now? Because as I mentioned, right, y'all,
Not Like Us happened. Then we fast forward, Nokia drops
some sexy songs for you, drop some bangers on there,
and they do well. But everybody is still talking about
the beef. Everything Drake does, even if he doesn't do
it to like this song, he's actually referencing things that
(14:50):
were a direct effect of Not Like Us. But even
when he drops songs that has nothing to do with it,
nothing right, the fans still take it there. The hip
hop journalists still take you back there. Can Drake ever
escape the not Like Us effect? Is that a real thing?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Like Ken?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And I'm being so serious. I would love low Riders
every time. I tell y'all would love to hear from y'all.
Y'all blow me up with the conversations, and I love that.
I would really love to hear from you guys on
if you think Drake can escape the not Like Us error?
Where if he makes it, is it a good song?
Because Nokia was a good song. Whether you want to
argue if substance was there or not, did he take
(15:30):
you on a journey of a story or not? You
can argue that, but it was a great song for
all the critics and I'm one of them, and I
can't answer the question yet.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I've been I've been trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Where does Drake go from here direction wise with his
music and can that get him out.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Of the not Like Us choke hold?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Because baby, the choke hold is choking okay now, Also
in the latest, because y'all know, people are still wondering,
Like the the Diddy verdict dropped, we found out that
he was found not guilty on three of the five charges.
He's only looking to face the consequences for their prostitution charge.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
But people want to.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Know what's about to happen. There was a report that
came out. It was a AP News that a report
They spoke to Diddy's attorneys about what it was like
for him to return to prison after the verdict dropped,
and Diddy's attorney Mark Agnifilio told the AP that Diddy
was welcomed with cheers and claps and celebration when he
walked back into prison, because the prisoners were saying thanks
(16:36):
to him, like we've never seen someone beat the Feds
and beat the government like that, and that I'm not
surprised by that response, especially not by you know, other
inmates who are currently going through their own ins and
outs with the government and you know, all those things.
But that is the feeling and the conversation, Like over
(16:56):
the holiday weekend, all of my family, whether they think
that Diddy is a horrible person now because of all
these things they've heard or not.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
The one thing you heard.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Echoed was yeah, but at the end of the day,
he beat the government. And I said this, I was
I did NBC New York, NBC for New York shout
out to them. We did a weekly breakdown called The
Case where we talked about Ditty's Case Sean Dittycomb's case
every week. It lasted for several weeks, so there's a
(17:29):
lot of content there for you guys to go and
watch if you choose to. And the date at the
verdict dropped right after we heard the decision of the
judge not to give Diddy bond and I talk to
you guys about this in my last episode before we
took our holiday break. We talked a little bit about
what it would have been like if Diddy were to
walk out of the courthouse the day that his verdict
(17:50):
had dropped.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Take a listen to what I said.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Joining us from outside court, Laura lroe So who's not
only been joining us here on the case, but she's
been reporting on the Breakfast Club on Power one oh five.
And Lauren, you've been at the intersection of social media,
pop culture and justice, which is really what it's about.
We may have seen it before, but not quite like this.
So let me start with you talk us through.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, I think if he were able to walk out
of court today, the image.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Of Diddy, Sean Didy Combs walking out in a crowd
full of people. Today, there were people out here like
I've never seen before, screaming free Puff.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And there was so much joy and excitement when he
was found out guilty on three out of the five charges,
after his legal team says this was a black man
who was very wealthy that was targeted by the government.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
They would have leaned it on that image, and I
think he.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Would have been able to almost gain sympathy from the
people who've kind of thrown him away, especially since that
Cassie video.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
But it's different now.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
And that is what I know it knew his team
would lean into. Right, you have this image. If he
had walked out of the courtroom, it would have been stronger.
But right now, it's not the image of him like
a physical photo or video of Sean Combs walking out
of the courtroom after beating a rico charge. Right, But
you have the narrative in the conversation because when you
(19:03):
think about it, he was looking at life. What he's
going to be looking at now is not nearly anything
compared to what he was going to be looking at before.
So you do have the conversation of this black man
whose attorneys are alleging he was targeted by the government
winning to some extent. Now, whether that winning makes it
(19:26):
where he can actually be able to come back into
the world after he does whatever time or whatever consequence
he'll be looking at for that prostitution conviction, right, whether
he can come back into the world and be the
superstar that he was, which I don't think is fully possible.
I do think that you know, celebrity has celebrity is celebrity, right,
(19:48):
And there were a lot of people who were upset
about the way that people were, you know, celebrating Sean
Combs's ditties win on that verdict day that there was
a lot of conversation around the fact that, you know,
did he at the end of the day, whether he
did not was not found guilty of that racketeering, conspiracy
(20:10):
and the sex trafficking. We had seen videos and photos
of him brutally beating Cassie, and there are a lot
of people who are upset that he's being celebrated on
one hand for beating that rico charge, when on the
other hand, there's the domestic violence that we all saw,
even though he was not on trial for it. We
(20:31):
saw it and it happened, and people want to make
sure that we remember that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But what is the.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Craziest underlying truth? And this is not my personal opinion,
this is just the truth. There is always something to
celebrity that will allow for anything, any wrongdoing of any
person to be somewhat ignored. When you think about r
Kelly and all that think Kelly's he didn't win anything.
(21:01):
R Kelly is sitting in behind bars right now and
will be probably for the rest of his life. And
there are still people out here arguing that he was
set up, that he was you know, all of these
things that literally were proven not correct in court, right,
But because of his celebrity and because of the fact
(21:23):
that people grew up listening to him in there, and
you know, the fandom of it all, there are people
that will still argue for him and will turn their
head completely to everything that we've heard be done to
other people because of this man's power. Now, I don't
want to compare the two, because I do think that
(21:44):
the Diddy conversation r Kelly conversation are different, which is
why Diddy was not convicted on sex trafficking in the
Rico charge, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Even think it's not even that. I think it's not
about what I.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Think if we're looking at what was actually Diddy was
actually convicted of in a courtroom versus what R Kelly
was convicted of in the courtroom, there are there's difference
there based on just solely based on tongue in cheek,
just solely based on the charges and what was actually
convicted in one in court is what I'm talking about here, right.
(22:17):
But you think about other celebrities, right like you think
about a Kanye West, who people have strong feeling about
because of some of the political comments that he's made,
in the racial comments he's made, and just various things.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
But I was there at.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
The courtroom when Kanye West came to the courtroom. I
saw the way people acted like they had never seen
a celebrity in their life, like literally running from floor
to floors and buildings trying to find him the mayhem
it calls outside of the courtroom. There is always going
to be something to celebrity. So I don't know what
(22:53):
that looks like for Diddy when he, you know, returns
home from all this at whatever time that is after
Howard Amount of time, but there is something to it.
And my question and what my thought is is what
does that look like for him? I know a lot
of brands will not touch him. It's too messy now,
it's too tainted. We've seen that Cassie video. You cannot
(23:14):
get that image out of your head. But does he
live off of that core base of people who were
so caught up on a celebrity that they're willing to
turn their head to the side on everything else. Now,
there's a conversation that will happen this week on Diddy's
sentencing and when that will be. As of right now,
the sentencing is October third, But his lawyers did ask
(23:35):
in court and the government did not object to this
for the sentencing to be moved up, to be expedited,
because they wanted it to happen while everything was still
fresh in the court's mind, of everything that happened to
trial and everything that we've heard and you know, all
the things. And the government didn't object to this. So
they're going to have a conversation. It'll be virtual via zoom.
I think God reminded you guys did this in my
last episode. But just to put a button on this
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so they'll talk virtually via zoom about what that sentencing
timeline looks like when it will happen, and then the
sentencing will happen and we'll we'll find out, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
How long Sean Colmbs will be you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Know, behind bars or whatever will happen following the verdict
that we watched go down about a week ago at
this point, so that has been the latest with Lorna
Rosa as always here to keep you guys updated. That
is what we are here for, Low Riders. I appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
My aunts. They had a little funny, little jokey job.
If were taking y'all, I'm taking y'all outside into the
streets with me, and the tweets with me. Be outside,
we outside, we outside okade tweets every other page.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
My aunts, we were talking about the podcast and I
was talking about the Low Riders and they are telling
me that the people want some merch merch for my lower.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
So I gat my shirt and do I love Liner
because we.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Don't love Viot them.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So I appreciate you guys for tuning in because y'all know,
at the end of the day, there's always a lot
to talk about. So every single time that you guys
are here to talk about it with me.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I you know, I always tell y'all how much I
appreciate you guys, and I do. I will see you
guys in my next episode. I'm out.
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