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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Morning, everybody. It's deej Envy, Jesse, Larry Chalamagne, God.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
in the building. We have the Mayor of DC, Muriel Bowser.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Welcome, Thank you, thanks for having me on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Thank you for calling in. I want to set the
stage real quick so people know why you calling in,
mad Bosa. You know, on Monday, President Trump announced he'd
be invoking Section seventy forty of the DC Home Rule
Act of nineteen seventy three, which is basically giving him
temporary control over the nation's capital. And he's also activated
the National Guard because he said the crime rate is
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just through the roof right in DC. Why do you
think this is happening, mad Bowser, Well, I.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Mean Trump had The President has had a long fascination
with d C. He left d C during the height
of COVID, and I think he had a picture of
homelessness that has struck with him. You heard him on
the campaign trail talking about d and in a lot
of ways, d C is a proxy for American cities,
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and his administration has taken a very aggressive stance against
American cities.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
He thinks that people in cities don't support him.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
He's very aware of the number of people that voted
for him in d C, and so he has taken
an aggressive stance.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I heard some of what you've said.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
The numbers just don't justify the action. We have seen
a precipitous lessening of crime in the city, violent crime,
especially after a post COVID spike that we acknowledge and
we got after and we drove down the numbers in
twenty twenty three. We reported last year the lowest level
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of violent crime in thirty years. So we're not taking
our foot off the grad gas. We're continuing to work.
But we think that this action kind of plays into
his narrative about cities, about using force, about being tough
on crime. And I can say a little bit more
about why DC is different, but it's times like this
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when America needs to know why your nation's capital, a
place where seven hundred thousand tax paying Americans live, should
be the fifty first state.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Now, Mayor, you know, a lot of we're talking to
may Mariel Bowser from the mayor of d C. Now,
a lot of people say, well, you know, well, maybe
it's needed. You know, when they look at different cities.
It does look beat up.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Sometimes it does look dirty.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And I see Trump made an analogy of something about
He was like, when I go to a restaurant with
my dad and when my dad says it sees that
the door of the restaurant is dirty, we know not
to go there. And that's how people look at d C.
So what do you say to those people that said, well,
maybe it is needed, maybe we do need to clean
it up a little.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Bit, what do you say? That's not crime though.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
And it's also not how people look at d C.
When people come to d C elected officials, leaders of
nations that he likes to point to, they meet with
me as well, and they tell me how beautiful the
city is, how green the city is, how they were
surprised at how many parks and wide avenues that the city.
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Keep in mind, this is the nation's capital, built on
La Nfont's plan. That is a magnificent and beautiful city.
So this idea that DC is dirty is obviously there
are places where people that are and we clean up.
We have some of the best city services of any
city in America.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Our Department of Public Works is.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
On top of cleanliness, and our partnership with the federal
government is always welcome on issues that we share. Keep
in mind that the Feds own more property in DC
than they own in most places, including the National parks,
the Pocket parks, the Circle parks, where we have seen
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some of the homeless problem, and where they're responsible for
cleaning up, dumping the trash, and cutting the grass, some
things that they haven't been on top.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Of in recent months. So the FADS have a.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Really outsized role in DC when it comes to keeping
federal parks clean.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Now, we want to work with them on that, and
we have the teams to do that, but it's just
not it's not right to say that d C is dirty.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Listen, but you also don't deploy the FBI and the
National Guard just because something is not clean. I don't
understand that logic.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's what's crazy.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
But I do want to ask you something man about it.
Do you believe President Trump had the legal authority to
deploy the FBI in National Guard into DC without the
sea's consent.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
Well, this is the primer on DC that I like
to give in times like this when we're in the
national news.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
We are unique.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
We are not a state, and so when you hear
DC residents talk about we got to become a state,
we got to become a state. It's not you know,
it's not just an easy topic because what it says
is that we don't have full autonomy. We have a
limited home rule and our home rule charter gives the
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president the ability to declare an emergency, a public safety emergency,
for almost any reason, and that doesn't really give him
the right to take over the police department. And if
you read his executive order closely, what it says is
what the charter allows him to do is direct me,
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the mayor, to make MPD services available.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And that's what it says.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Our organization chart, our chief of police, our reporting structure
for our police officers has not changed.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Were you were you consulted in advance about the deployment
or did you learn of it after the decision was
already made.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
I was not.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
What I was told is that their national Guard decisions
would be to bring the DC National Guard into DC. Again,
the DC National Guard does not report to the mayor,
but reports to the president. So unlike states, the guards
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report to the governor. And just what we like we
saw in Los Angeles, there was a fight over whether
the Guard or the Marine Corps I think they brought
in could be deployed and the city and state could
fight it because that is a California Guard that reports
to the governor. That's not the case here. So the
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Congress has a bill. Our Congress would move. Senator Chris
van Holland moved in the Senate a bill that would
give the mayor of DC control of the National Guard.
And it's really important, I argued at the time we
saw it back in twenty twenty, the deployment of the
Guard and what that could do where protests were involved.
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And now the Guard is not a law enforcement agency,
and so when they are used, these men and women
that leave their families to support the nation, they have
to be used in a way that's lawful and strategic.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I was going to ask, so, what is required for
this takeover the end to make sure that you remain
in controlling that he doesn't get that control.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
What is required to do that?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Well, that's a good question, because we're in an unprecedented territory.
The law says he has thirty days unless the Congress
passes a joint.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Resolution to extend it.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Because there is no real predicate, in our view, for
a crime surge that caused the emergency, having the reasons
to end the emergency are also unclear. So that's the
conversation that I will have with the person that he
has designated as his proxy to request these services, and
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that's the Attorney General BONDI.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Now, you mentioned this in twenty twenty, so you've seen
this coming.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
He's been talking about it for a while.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
He tried in twenty twenty to when you will remember
when there were protests around the killing of George Floyd,
and that's when he first intimated that he wanted to
take over the police. We pushed back real hard and
just explain to him that that at that time, especially
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at that time where the city was a tinderbox, would
be a bad move.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Do you think this is a trial run for a
police state from President Trump?
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Listen?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I think that what we have to see nobody should
be a lot of the coverage I've heard. Just like
one of the callers I heard is making the argument
that DC's crime issues are out of control.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That's not true.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Our police department, best in the business, partners with the
federal government, supports the president, supports diplomatic visits to this
city are driving down crime in partnership with the community
and tougher policies quite frankly that I have supported over
the last several years to help us hold people who
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use guns in our city accountable. And we have to
have that on this conversation too. We can't have a
system where a juvenile or an adult can use guns,
hurt people and not face any accountability. So the city
has really stepped aggressively in that direction, and it was warranted.
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But you cannot suggest that the MPD is not getting
the job done.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Do you believe this deployment was driven by genuine security
needs or by political motives? And if so, what all
those political motives?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, I think they appear to be pretty obvious.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
But I think that the quick answer would be he
wants to send the message to cities that if he
can get away with this in Los Angeles, if he
can get away with this in DC, he can get
away with it in New York or Baltimore or Chicago
or any other place where millions of people live, work
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and are doing everything the right way. And it is
a step in fascism when the federal government can bigfoot
sovereign states.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
That's not us. We should be we should be the
fifty first state.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
But right now that I think that is what he
is trying to make it normal where citizens say the
federal government should overtake local policing and try to make
that a normal thing. So if he tries it in
other places, people will be desensitized to it. We can't
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be desensitized to it because it's not normal.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
When I hear the cities that you named about that,
I have to think to myself, it sounds like I
want to ask you when you look at the cities,
do you think that the cities he's targeting do you
feel like it's an attack on black mayors? And if so,
why because every city you just named has a black man.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That's correct.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Well, I think that he attacks cities with large urban
populations and most of the most of them have black mayors.
And so yeah, there I had. I won't comment on
whatever the racial component is. I'm sure there's something to that,
but I know that were they're large urban populations, major
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American cities have black leadership.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Now, guys, I know Maya has to go. We appreciate
you for checking in, and what do you just want
to tell the people hold on real quick.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
We have a young lady, Morgan Woods. She's from DC,
She's from the Black Information Network. She wants to ask
you a question to uh, Mayor Bose.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Yes, thank you, Mayor Bouser, appreciate you taking are as
a DMB resident, someone who frequents DC a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
How do you do?
Speaker 6 (11:58):
What do you think the presence of federal law enforcements?
How do you think it stands to impact residents, those
of us that are coming from Maryland and Virginia to
hang out, support local businesses, even businesses that may be
struggling from the pandemic. How do you do you what
is your take on how this presence of federal law
enforcement stands to impact not only the residents, but also
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you know you economically in the district.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Well, Morgan, what I'm really concerned about is the rhetoric
coming from the President. Already, the federal government's decisions are
having a completely negative impact on our economy. By firing
federal workers, closing federal buildings, continuing this telework policy that
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they said they wouldn't continue, is having a negative impact
on our economy. The Congress limited our own local spending
by almost a billion dollars this year that cost us
to cut services in the district, already having an impact
on our economy, and spreading lies about how safe the
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city is will impact our ability to replace that economic
activity with private activity, like you're mentioning just wanting to
come to restaurants or clubs. So I feel very confident
that our city is safe and you should go about
your daily activities, and that we are going to work very,
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very hard to make sure that the federal presence doesn't
impact anybody's ability to come to the city, whether they're
are residents, people from the region, or people who are
coming to visit us. Now, having said that yesterday, last
week and the week before that everybody who comes here
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should follow the law, and that remains true. Everybody who
comes here should follow the law, and that includes the police.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Oh, I have one more question about it, because I
know you got to go like the caller call of
here this morning, they say he does think it's a
good thing that President Trump wants to reduce the crime
rate in DC.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
But in your opinion, as mayor, why is this the
wrong way.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
To do it?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The wrong It is the wrong way to do it
because federal law enforcement does a different job. We work
with the FBI at f and DEEA all the time,
but we work with them on high level criminal organizations
bringing drugs and guns to the city. FBI agents don't
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go out on patrol. That's not what they're trained to do,
and that's not what they're they are good at. It's
also not a good idea for our own metropolitan police department,
who's worked so hard to gain the trust of communities,
for communities to now be scared of the police because
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when they are, they don't call when they need help.
When they are, they don't cooperate rate when there's been
a crime committed, and we need the public support. Uh,
And so that that in itself makes cities less safe.
So that's not the way to do it. And more
than that, it's not right to trample on democratic processes.
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And while our kind of autonomy is limited and our
grip on democracy is tenuous in a city that doesn't
that is not a state, and does not have two senators,
we do have local elected government, and we our own
residents know how to make their voices heard.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We may we appreciate you for checking in and any
time you need to pay you.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It's the Mayor of DC, Muriel Bowser, and thank you again.
And please let us know what's going on and keep
us updated.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We'll do all right. Now.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
When we come back, we have the latest with Lauren.
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Speaker 6 (15:57):
You don't finish for y'all done,