September 18, 2025 • 19 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, Emayatzy Corinealdi, McKinley Freeman & Joseph Sikora Talk 'Reasonable Doubt' S3, Career Roles. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago, clicks up The Breakfast Club, y'all,
mister one, most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne
to God just hilarious. DJ Envy is not in today,
but Lauren Lerosa is and we got some special guests
in the building. The cast of season three of Reasonable Doubt. Yes,
how are y'all feeling? Man, fantastic, jose the Car, McKinley,
(00:22):
Freeman and I always messed the name up, Emma.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He was messing up, you know, he got a little.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How you're feeling this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We feel a fantastic It's to be here in Season
two of A scripted show is a very hard Season
three three three a very A scripted show.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Is a very hard task. How does it feel? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
It's good to be working, I'll tell you that, and
also be working with such amazing collaborate people like Mayachti
and Joseph, Kerry Washington, Larry. It's been a blessing. Hopefully
the fans love it because you know what I.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Mean, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a
lot of fun. And so to get to do it
three times, you know, I want to feel that love
from the audience and everything, and then you know meet
additional just people who come on the show and bring
great energy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, it's been cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
When have you not worked? When the last time your right,
when the last time you've not worked?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
I've been super lucky, great in the Tommy role. But legitimately,
Charlottmane and we were just talking about that that it's
like it's I was I started. We started the journey
when I was thirty seven. I'm forty nine right now,
so it's like twelve years or.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
Not.
Speaker 8 (01:28):
Damn that forty nine is old. You just don't look forty. No, Damn,
I wouldn't have guessed this year forty nine.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Talking about how long you've been working, especially in that
role power right, how hard is it when you go
into other sets for people not to just see Tommy
all the time, Because it's funny.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I think that the Power Show is so pigeonholed in
a lot of ways that like when I was on Ozark,
people had no idea, like the crossover audience wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
However, on this this is going to be the.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
One where Tommy plays the lawyer, right, which is fine
with me too, because it's it's it's so well written
that Ramula Muhammad does such an amazing job at making
a three hundred and sixty degree character that it's regardless
of how you feel about Bill Sterling my character on
season three, reasonable doubt, it's a different character and it's
a real human being because she writes real human beings
in real situations. This is only the second time in
(02:17):
my career where I joined a cast where I was
a fan of the show. I mean, I came from
Michael Ely, I stayed for Amiazi. It's like she's a brilliant.
She is everything that a number one on a call
she should be.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
She's ultra prepared, she's ultra.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Kind and you can't you can't put anything in front
of her. She can't tackle and conquer. So it's been
amazing and I learned a lot. But being around her, you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Know what, I wish people at my job would hype
me up like that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
She's always on set. I'm sure every day.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, she doesn't miss him a lot of days, you said, so,
I'm interested though you said that. You know when you did,
there wasn't a lot of crossed over there, So I wondered,
does that hinder you from getting certain roles because they
feel like, oh, that's Joseph. People might think this is
a you know, power franchise spin off.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I don't even think about that. I feel like my
job as an actor, I don't think about that. And
getting more and more into producing.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Those are some of the factors.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, I think you're spot on, Charlotte and thinking
that people are people love to categorize stuff because it
makes it easy. One thing I've learned in this business
is that nobody likes to work hard and everybody likes
things that are easy.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I feel like.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
To break out of the shell, you have to do
both of those things. You have to do things that
are difficult, and you have to want to work. So
that's all I wanted. All I do is I try
to progress and keep working.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
There's working on a loss in the show challenge, y' all.
View of the legal system.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean, because, for one, I've just learned
a lot more about law. You know, as each season
has gone on, you know, you learn a lot more.
And again the writing it makes you kind of dive
into that, you know, but just the system as a whole,
you know, each season brings a new case and with
the new case. You have different challenges and you know
how the law is working with you or against you,
(04:03):
and those kinds of things, you know, so it really
does highlight that. And that's one of my favorite things
about the show is that it makes people talk about it.
Speaker 9 (04:10):
It makes people talk.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
About, you know, the justice system and why it's working
or why it's not. And that's again one of the
one of the benefits of the show. It's not just
this simple legal drama. You know, you have this woman
who's a lawyer. There's so many more layers to it.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And oddly like over the course of shooting the last
few seasons, there's always been something interesting happening legally, So
there's always something in the.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
World where we're like, oh, come together.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So season two and season three, so it's it's definitely
you know, shed a light on that topic.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
For surest So, the last season before this one, you
end on like a high. You you bring your your
friend home and all the things, and then this season
opens and it's like you you want more drama, yes,
but you also in the last season with a lot
of drama. You know, we don't understand we as women,
you know about.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
We want to have it all.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I think Jacks as a character, she is the woman
who does thrive in a lot of ways on the
adrenaline of things not going the way they're supposed to go.
She likes the mess of all of that in her
professional life, yes, you know, but when it does bleed
over into the personal, that's where things get a little tricky.
But she's been missing that, you know, from the last season.
(05:20):
She did get a girlfriend off and everything, and now
she's just you know, everyone's bleeding out, there's nothing really happening.
She likes to be in that courtroom, you know, so
I can understand that. You know, at work you want
a little you want to feel like you were doing
your best.
Speaker 9 (05:34):
And for Jacks, she's at her.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Best when she's in that courtroom, standing right in front
of someone and letting them know how they're not. She's
gonna win this case. So that's where she wants to be.
She lives in that space.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I've had conversations with my friends because of reasonable doubt
just about how like as women at work, or black
women at work, we always feel the need to like
be the like successor in the room or we're figuring
it out, how does your role and what you do
going into this new season with all this new drama
to that like that, I need the mess because I
need something to figure out so I can look like
I'm accomplishing or accomplished.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Well, see, I think it's almost the opposite. I don't
know if I would say that. I feel like Jackson
needs the mess to feel like she's doing something. I
think there's more so she's already feeling like she's not
valued at her job, you know what I mean. So
she knows that she can get in these rooms and
obliterate anyone who's in front of her, you know, and
she's she really fights for the people, the clients that
she believes in. So I think she wants to have
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more of those opportunities to do that. And when we
open up in season three, that's not where she is,
you know, everyone is pleading out. She's kind of more
so just in her office and that kind of thing.
So she wants to have a bit more of the
excitement so that she can make money for the firm,
be her best, you know, show everyone what she's capable of,
because again that's why she's a partner. You know, her
(06:50):
name is on that building. So she's not at her best,
just you know, helping clients plead out in that kind
of way.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, I always wonder like what parts of Jack's
resonate with you personally, and does that change from season
to season?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Does it feel like you're covering new territory.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I discover something new about this woman each year, for sure.
You know, every every episode is like, oh Jax, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It makes it.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Makes me have those conversations with myself. There are a
lot of ways that were alike, you know, in her
in her ability to get things done. You know, she's
about her business. She's very strong, straightforward. You know, I
can relate to her in that way, the way she
goes about it. At times, you know, we may differ
a little bit, you know what I mean, we made
(07:36):
we made different a little bit, you know, But that's
that's the fun part of being the actors when you
get to peel back all those layers and not judge
this woman. Okay, why does she decide that she gonna
stay with this man after hen went and have this
whole side?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Baby?
Speaker 9 (07:49):
You know, it's it's tough.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's tough, but it happens, and people do that all
of the time, and so that's what makes it exciting.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, I mean I was telling me about the research
that she did and found the group chat of these
women who's whose partners had stepped out or had been
given a little leeway.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, baby, group.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Chat, they're there.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
I had to dig I did it. Yeah, yep, Yes, I.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Did not have a baby, but I got back with
someone who had a baby while we were like in
a weird space.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
And you do find that there are a lot of
women who do it.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
They don't talk about it because you have to deal
with people being like, well, why would you get to
do that?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
But it's a whole community out there, Yes there is.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And I had to go because I couldn't make it. It
makes sense, but I can't judge this woman.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We all you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
And so when I found it, it made sense and
I understood and then I could portray it from a
real perspective.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
What was the reason?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I want to know, Like, what was what did you
find in that group chat that you could tap into
to say, Okay, this is why I would take them back.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Oh well that's easy.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I mean you find that outside of their still being loved,
there and all that kind of stuff. It's more so
things that other people may not understand, you know, they
may not understand that I have history with this person
all these things. But beyond that, especially the women that
I found that were married, you know, and this happen
not in just long term relationships, they really felt like,
you know what, I made this bow.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
I have children.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm not going to let him take this whole thing down.
And also I believe this is something that this is
a mistake, you know, and we can get through this.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
We can get through this, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And when you have marriage that's been you have years
invested in this, you can understand why people would feel like,
you know, I'm not going to throw this whole thing aboay.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Yeah, McKinley, did you have.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know, you know, a bit a side person.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I think the thing is, it's just funny hearing in
Miyati talk about it because I think about all the
conversations that I had on set and then comment sections
about Lewis and the baby and Tony and what's happening
with Jack's and the thing that I find interesting is
the divide where there's a line that women won't cross.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's like, oh, you're Lewis is.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Wrong because he had a baby, not because he cheated.
I'm like, wait a second, So I was gonna say
Jack spent the whole season with Michael Ely then as
as the but this is.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
The thing with but my point, but my point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
But my point though is that like, it's interesting to
see how conversations evolve, because Charlemagne asked a great questions
like what do you look at this season that's evolved?
And I think one of the things in this relationship
is like how do you stand in the face of
all the things that you've built up in terms of
the ideas that you what you will and won't do,
and are you willing to knock those down to keep
the thing that's most important, which is what you vowed with.
So it's like it's interesting to hear people reconcile their
(10:52):
choices but also still make the most of the present
to recognize the opportunity I have to change things, and
this is.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
The level of intelligence I have to deal with. Don't
come off like I'm smart.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So the wonder if love really is a deciding factor
and all those things right, because if you really love
the person, you probably would have been more careful, wouldn't
she to begin with about a lot of things, go a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Little bit further on that she really cheated. What happened.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Women sheet? I got you said leomen do their thing
is different?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Just because I love Jackson, cheating is cheap.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
And they were separated. You forgot.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Talking about like we can't do that though?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Lord?
Speaker 8 (11:52):
Listen with the progression of the show right all the
way from you know, season one, it's seems like y'all, well,
y'all already like melted into y'all characters. Do y'all have
anything to do with the like writing writing process like
after season two or anything like that?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Oh well, we cannot take any credit for the right.
That's Roba Muhammad and the fantastic writing room that she
has a symbol, they do all of the writing.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
What she does allow is room.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
For it to breathe if something doesn't come out of
the mouth, right. You know, she's open to that, to
changing in that kind of thing, but the base core
of it, that's all.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That's all she allows us.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
She definitely allows us to settle into a true perspective
for sure, and like if something doesn't seem right in
the words before we get there, we can have there's
phone calls and conversations without She makes it so.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
It's a safe space that I you know, without naming
names or you know, looking at resumes or anything like that.
She is so unbelievably open to saying if you have
a question. I just I just didn't really trust that
at first. She's like, is everything okay?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was like, yeah, you're so.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You're so open to this stuff and yet so incredibly
intelligent in a master storytelling that's still open to saying
like maybe maybe there's a even better way to do it.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Yeah, she's incredible because you find on sets they don't
usually do that right, No, something No, you stick it
to stick to it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
This is what I wrote, This is what it is.
I love that though I.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Know, you know, being on Power all these years has
been a blessing right a min But do you ever
feel like, you know, I don't want to I love
the character Tommy, I just don't want to get boxed
in the character time.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah. Again, it's like I don't even think about that.
Like I had spent so many years as we talked
about before, like twenty five years in the business, before
I got the Tommy roll to get I got me
out of that, paid my bills. I still love Tommy too,
because he's a complex character. And again talking about writing,
Gary Lennon, who writes the Tommy character for the Power
for Show and was the co show runner of the
original Power Show, is you know, the son of Native
(13:41):
New York, son of Hell's Kitchen, And he just writes such.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
A real character, and is this.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
It's endlessly entertaining for me to discover new parts about
this character. And still as a guy that comes from
the theater, that's a classically trained actor and all that stuff,
It's like, I still never I don't think about myself
as being pigeonholed, and I think that that's the most
important thing that I'm Like, I can still play Bill Sterling,
I can't still play Frank Junior. I can still be
all of these other things. So in my mind it's
(14:10):
I don't fit boxed in at all, even though if
other people judge me. Again, it's like it's like what
other people think about me is none of my business.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Because that's probably part of the gift.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You know, as an actor, you want to have a
character that resonates with people that they just they identify
it with that and that you can live with and
then still go on to do other things. But that's
a part of the gift.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You know, there's probably more parts of Tommy that there
are more parts of me that are closer to parts
of Tommy than.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Parts of me that are closer to bos Sterling.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Well, I mean, I think in terms of emotional.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not dealing and letting people up.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
But it's it's fun to try to stretch to have
a guy who was Special Forces in the Coastguard and
this wonderful backstory of going to Georgetown for law school
and really kind of diving deep in there and also
losing kind of like trying to restructure my body and
losing like twenty pounds for the character to be a
guy who is in the militar and trying to work
out the way that people in the Coast Guard Special
(15:03):
Forces would have to see if that physically changes the
body to the character to let the vessel be something different.
So it's a lot of fun, great challenges.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
McKinley, Is it true that you started off in corporate America? Right? Yeah, absolutely,
so you got into the industry later.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's well, yeah, I got into lad I was I
got a bachelor's degree in finance and the NBA and
marketing and information technology. So I was working for like
a Fortune five company, traveling around the world building marketing
program sales programs for stuff. And then I just started
modeling and got bored. And then that was kind of
the introduction to it all. And then just kind of
like Joseph was say, I'm a bit of a student
to everything, whether it's jiu jitsu, acting, whatever. So I
(15:38):
knew that there was a lot that I didn't though,
and I just took it as an opportunity to kind
of learn and see where it could go. But it's
very much about for me, it's a like a lifestyle
being present, like what is it that I can do
today to get me closer to tomorrow, which will get
me closer to my destiny. But yeah, but also not
being afraid to pivot, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Can you speak to that, because it's like, you know,
you you accomplished so much, right.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't know if I've accomplished it so much from
an educational perspective, right, So, but what is it in you?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What's that nagging feeling that's like, no, you should you
should be doing something else, you should be doing this.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think there's a voice on the inside, there's a
thing where it's like there's a point where you can
check all the boxes and things could be going right,
but there's still something missing. And I think the voice
of the whisper of something missing is louder than the
screams of the things that you have. So for me,
the opportunity is to kind of dive in there to
see where it could go. Because to me, the biggest
thing is martin us the King said the two greatest words,
(16:30):
that the two most powerful words in the English language
are too late. So like, I don't want to get
to the end and be like, damn, I wish I
would have tried. So I'm gonna leave it on the
table wherever it is, whether it's acting business whatever. But
but yeah, that the willingness to be free and to
see where the waves go, That's where I'm at.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
McKinley, how important has it been or was it to
show Lewis's like grieving process from the loss of his son.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I think the the.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
You know, grieving is hard anyway, and I think sometimes
we all just kind of put it in the bag
and keep moving, never really thinking about how much it weighs.
And I think, specifically for Lewis in this situation with
grieving the loss of a of a son, there's a
lot of things connected to that. I mean, we think
about things in a vacuum, but one son is connected
to another son. The spencer still lives like, oh man,
this is this young This young man could have grown
(17:20):
up to be this age, And there's a I think
there's there's a there's a there's a weird stigma when
it comes to expressing how we feel as black men,
and there's there's definitely a weight, weights that we're not
meant to carry. And my biggest piece of advice is
to put them down because you don't know that weight
could cause could cost you your life. So I think
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for me grieving, being honest about how a person feels,
being president with our feelings and learning to be a
clear communicator of that so that other people.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Around are aware.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
To me, that's important and it also makes you more
of a vessel for other folks as they're going through I've.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Been exploring that a lot, right Like, you know, there's
a black man, this is a man in general. I
think the hardest thing for men to say is something
hurt they feel, and it's.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Hard to say that to another individual. It's hard to
look at another man to be like, yo, you hurt
my feeling.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I think the bigger thing is yeah, I agree
with that, But I think one of the things is
dangerous is camping in feelings. My biggest my bigger thing
is what is the foundation that the feelings come from.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
There's a root of it. What is the root?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Because that root might not be something My root may
very well be something that we weren't supposed to have, right,
whether it's fear, insecurity, whatever it is, Like, deal with
the root of that, because then you don't have to
deal with that area of the garden anymore once you
get the weeds up and that's that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Space was a challenge story wise on the show for
Jackson as a character to allow him to have the
space to do all of that without her feeling some
type of way about well, is he did.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
He really want to be with her?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is he really you know? All those questions and realize
it's not about you with that moment, It's really about
him having this opportunity to grieve what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, it's interesting and that's that's actually how beautiful the
story is. It's actually it is about me and it's
about us. So it's like sacrificing something for the bigger picture,
even if it doesn't yeh, the most sent some papers,
you know, because we read we read scripts and it
happens just like when y'all see it like wait a minute,
what's happening and will be like, wait a minute, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Where is this going? So it's always.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, listen, it's the Cast a Reasonable Doubt. Season three
premiere September eighteenth. Here's eighteenth, Thursday.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Tomorrow, And I want to say I did something for reason.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
I'm here on the radio.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Don't paying attention to the case. You know what I'm saying.
I'm the voice that pay attention to the case. Yeah, listen,
I'm going to carry thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Every day. A week ago, the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Finished for y'all.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Dump
Every day a week ago, clicks up The Breakfast Club, y'all,
mister one, most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, Charlamagne
to God just hilarious. DJ Envy is not in today,
but Lauren Lerosa is and we got some special guests
in the building. The cast of season three of Reasonable Doubt. Yes,
how are y'all feeling? Man, fantastic, jose the Car, McKinley,
(00:22):
Freeman and I always messed the name up, Emma.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
He was messing up, you know, he got a little.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How you're feeling this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We feel a fantastic It's to be here in Season
two of A scripted show is a very hard Season
three three three a very A scripted show.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Is a very hard task. How does it feel? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
It's good to be working, I'll tell you that, and
also be working with such amazing collaborate people like Mayachti
and Joseph, Kerry Washington, Larry. It's been a blessing. Hopefully
the fans love it because you know what I.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Mean, it's been a lot of fun. It's been a
lot of fun. And so to get to do it
three times, you know, I want to feel that love
from the audience and everything, and then you know meet
additional just people who come on the show and bring
great energy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You know, it's been cool.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
When have you not worked? When the last time your right,
when the last time you've not worked?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
I've been super lucky, great in the Tommy role. But legitimately,
Charlottmane and we were just talking about that that it's
like it's I was I started. We started the journey
when I was thirty seven. I'm forty nine right now,
so it's like twelve years or.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
Not.
Speaker 8 (01:28):
Damn that forty nine is old. You just don't look forty. No, Damn,
I wouldn't have guessed this year forty nine.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Talking about how long you've been working, especially in that
role power right, how hard is it when you go
into other sets for people not to just see Tommy
all the time, Because it's funny.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I think that the Power Show is so pigeonholed in
a lot of ways that like when I was on Ozark,
people had no idea, like the crossover audience wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
However, on this this is going to be the.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
One where Tommy plays the lawyer, right, which is fine
with me too, because it's it's it's so well written
that Ramula Muhammad does such an amazing job at making
a three hundred and sixty degree character that it's regardless
of how you feel about Bill Sterling my character on
season three, reasonable doubt, it's a different character and it's
a real human being because she writes real human beings
in real situations. This is only the second time in
(02:17):
my career where I joined a cast where I was
a fan of the show. I mean, I came from
Michael Ely, I stayed for Amiazi. It's like she's a brilliant.
She is everything that a number one on a call
she should be.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
She's ultra prepared, she's ultra.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
Kind and you can't you can't put anything in front
of her. She can't tackle and conquer. So it's been
amazing and I learned a lot. But being around her, you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Know what, I wish people at my job would hype
me up like that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
She's always on set. I'm sure every day.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Okay, she doesn't miss him a lot of days, you said, so,
I'm interested though you said that. You know when you did,
there wasn't a lot of crossed over there, So I wondered,
does that hinder you from getting certain roles because they
feel like, oh, that's Joseph. People might think this is
a you know, power franchise spin off.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
I don't even think about that. I feel like my
job as an actor, I don't think about that. And
getting more and more into producing.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Those are some of the factors.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
I mean, I think you're spot on, Charlotte and thinking
that people are people love to categorize stuff because it
makes it easy. One thing I've learned in this business
is that nobody likes to work hard and everybody likes
things that are easy.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So I feel like.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
To break out of the shell, you have to do
both of those things. You have to do things that
are difficult, and you have to want to work. So
that's all I wanted. All I do is I try
to progress and keep working.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
There's working on a loss in the show challenge, y' all.
View of the legal system.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Absolutely absolutely, I mean, because, for one, I've just learned
a lot more about law. You know, as each season
has gone on, you know, you learn a lot more.
And again the writing it makes you kind of dive
into that, you know, but just the system as a whole,
you know, each season brings a new case and with
the new case. You have different challenges and you know
how the law is working with you or against you,
(04:03):
and those kinds of things, you know, so it really
does highlight that. And that's one of my favorite things
about the show is that it makes people talk about it.
Speaker 9 (04:10):
It makes people talk.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
About, you know, the justice system and why it's working
or why it's not. And that's again one of the
one of the benefits of the show. It's not just
this simple legal drama. You know, you have this woman
who's a lawyer. There's so many more layers to it.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
And oddly like over the course of shooting the last
few seasons, there's always been something interesting happening legally, So
there's always something in the.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
World where we're like, oh, come together.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
So season two and season three, so it's it's definitely
you know, shed a light on that topic.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
For surest So, the last season before this one, you
end on like a high. You you bring your your
friend home and all the things, and then this season
opens and it's like you you want more drama, yes,
but you also in the last season with a lot
of drama. You know, we don't understand we as women,
you know about.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
We want to have it all.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I think Jacks as a character, she is the woman
who does thrive in a lot of ways on the
adrenaline of things not going the way they're supposed to go.
She likes the mess of all of that in her
professional life, yes, you know, but when it does bleed
over into the personal, that's where things get a little tricky.
But she's been missing that, you know, from the last season.
(05:20):
She did get a girlfriend off and everything, and now
she's just you know, everyone's bleeding out, there's nothing really happening.
She likes to be in that courtroom, you know, so
I can understand that. You know, at work you want
a little you want to feel like you were doing
your best.
Speaker 9 (05:34):
And for Jacks, she's at her.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Best when she's in that courtroom, standing right in front
of someone and letting them know how they're not. She's
gonna win this case. So that's where she wants to be.
She lives in that space.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I've had conversations with my friends because of reasonable doubt
just about how like as women at work, or black
women at work, we always feel the need to like
be the like successor in the room or we're figuring
it out, how does your role and what you do
going into this new season with all this new drama
to that like that, I need the mess because I
need something to figure out so I can look like
I'm accomplishing or accomplished.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Well, see, I think it's almost the opposite. I don't
know if I would say that. I feel like Jackson
needs the mess to feel like she's doing something. I
think there's more so she's already feeling like she's not
valued at her job, you know what I mean. So
she knows that she can get in these rooms and
obliterate anyone who's in front of her, you know, and
she's she really fights for the people, the clients that
she believes in. So I think she wants to have
(06:29):
more of those opportunities to do that. And when we
open up in season three, that's not where she is,
you know, everyone is pleading out. She's kind of more
so just in her office and that kind of thing.
So she wants to have a bit more of the
excitement so that she can make money for the firm,
be her best, you know, show everyone what she's capable of,
because again that's why she's a partner. You know, her
(06:50):
name is on that building. So she's not at her best,
just you know, helping clients plead out in that kind
of way.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, I always wonder like what parts of Jack's
resonate with you personally, and does that change from season
to season?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Does it feel like you're covering new territory.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:06):
I discover something new about this woman each year, for sure.
You know, every every episode is like, oh Jax, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It makes it.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Makes me have those conversations with myself. There are a
lot of ways that were alike, you know, in her
in her ability to get things done. You know, she's
about her business. She's very strong, straightforward. You know, I
can relate to her in that way, the way she
goes about it. At times, you know, we may differ
a little bit, you know what I mean, we made
(07:36):
we made different a little bit, you know, But that's
that's the fun part of being the actors when you
get to peel back all those layers and not judge
this woman. Okay, why does she decide that she gonna
stay with this man after hen went and have this
whole side?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Baby?
Speaker 9 (07:49):
You know, it's it's tough.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's tough, but it happens, and people do that all
of the time, and so that's what makes it exciting.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, I mean I was telling me about the research
that she did and found the group chat of these
women who's whose partners had stepped out or had been
given a little leeway.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, baby, group.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Chat, they're there.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
I had to dig I did it. Yeah, yep, Yes, I.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
Did not have a baby, but I got back with
someone who had a baby while we were like in
a weird space.
Speaker 9 (08:26):
And you do find that there are a lot of
women who do it.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
They don't talk about it because you have to deal
with people being like, well, why would you get to
do that?
Speaker 9 (08:32):
But it's a whole community out there, Yes there is.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
And I had to go because I couldn't make it. It
makes sense, but I can't judge this woman.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
We all you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
And so when I found it, it made sense and
I understood and then I could portray it from a
real perspective.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
What was the reason?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I want to know, Like, what was what did you
find in that group chat that you could tap into
to say, Okay, this is why I would take them back.
Speaker 9 (08:53):
Oh well that's easy.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
I mean you find that outside of their still being loved,
there and all that kind of stuff. It's more so
things that other people may not understand, you know, they
may not understand that I have history with this person
all these things. But beyond that, especially the women that
I found that were married, you know, and this happen
not in just long term relationships, they really felt like,
you know what, I made this bow.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
I have children.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I'm not going to let him take this whole thing down.
And also I believe this is something that this is
a mistake, you know, and we can get through this.
Speaker 9 (09:28):
We can get through this, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
And when you have marriage that's been you have years
invested in this, you can understand why people would feel like,
you know, I'm not going to throw this whole thing aboay.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And it's just not that easy. It's not that easy.
Speaker 9 (09:40):
Yeah, McKinley, did you have.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You know, you know, a bit a side person.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I think the thing is, it's just funny hearing in
Miyati talk about it because I think about all the
conversations that I had on set and then comment sections
about Lewis and the baby and Tony and what's happening
with Jack's and the thing that I find interesting is
the divide where there's a line that women won't cross.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's like, oh, you're Lewis is.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Wrong because he had a baby, not because he cheated.
I'm like, wait a second, So I was gonna say
Jack spent the whole season with Michael Ely then as
as the but this is.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
The thing with but my point, but my point.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
But my point though is that like, it's interesting to
see how conversations evolve, because Charlemagne asked a great questions
like what do you look at this season that's evolved?
And I think one of the things in this relationship
is like how do you stand in the face of
all the things that you've built up in terms of
the ideas that you what you will and won't do,
and are you willing to knock those down to keep
the thing that's most important, which is what you vowed with.
So it's like it's interesting to hear people reconcile their
(10:52):
choices but also still make the most of the present
to recognize the opportunity I have to change things, and
this is.
Speaker 6 (10:58):
The level of intelligence I have to deal with. Don't
come off like I'm smart.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So the wonder if love really is a deciding factor
and all those things right, because if you really love
the person, you probably would have been more careful, wouldn't
she to begin with about a lot of things, go a.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Little bit further on that she really cheated. What happened.
Speaker 9 (11:20):
Women sheet? I got you said leomen do their thing
is different?
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Just because I love Jackson, cheating is cheap.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
And they were separated. You forgot.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Talking about like we can't do that though?
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Is that wrong?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Lord?
Speaker 8 (11:52):
Listen with the progression of the show right all the
way from you know, season one, it's seems like y'all, well,
y'all already like melted into y'all characters. Do y'all have
anything to do with the like writing writing process like
after season two or anything like that?
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Oh well, we cannot take any credit for the right.
That's Roba Muhammad and the fantastic writing room that she
has a symbol, they do all of the writing.
Speaker 9 (12:16):
What she does allow is room.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
For it to breathe if something doesn't come out of
the mouth, right. You know, she's open to that, to
changing in that kind of thing, but the base core
of it, that's all.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That's all she allows us.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
She definitely allows us to settle into a true perspective
for sure, and like if something doesn't seem right in
the words before we get there, we can have there's
phone calls and conversations without She makes it so.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
It's a safe space that I you know, without naming
names or you know, looking at resumes or anything like that.
She is so unbelievably open to saying if you have
a question. I just I just didn't really trust that
at first. She's like, is everything okay?
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I was like, yeah, you're so.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
You're so open to this stuff and yet so incredibly
intelligent in a master storytelling that's still open to saying
like maybe maybe there's a even better way to do it.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Yeah, she's incredible because you find on sets they don't
usually do that right, No, something No, you stick it
to stick to it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
This is what I wrote, This is what it is.
I love that though I.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Know, you know, being on Power all these years has
been a blessing right a min But do you ever
feel like, you know, I don't want to I love
the character Tommy, I just don't want to get boxed
in the character time.
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah. Again, it's like I don't even think about that.
Like I had spent so many years as we talked
about before, like twenty five years in the business, before
I got the Tommy roll to get I got me
out of that, paid my bills. I still love Tommy too,
because he's a complex character. And again talking about writing,
Gary Lennon, who writes the Tommy character for the Power
for Show and was the co show runner of the
original Power Show, is you know, the son of Native
(13:41):
New York, son of Hell's Kitchen, And he just writes such.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
A real character, and is this.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
It's endlessly entertaining for me to discover new parts about
this character. And still as a guy that comes from
the theater, that's a classically trained actor and all that stuff,
It's like, I still never I don't think about myself
as being pigeonholed, and I think that that's the most
important thing that I'm Like, I can still play Bill Sterling,
I can't still play Frank Junior. I can still be
all of these other things. So in my mind it's
(14:10):
I don't fit boxed in at all, even though if
other people judge me. Again, it's like it's like what
other people think about me is none of my business.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Because that's probably part of the gift.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
You know, as an actor, you want to have a
character that resonates with people that they just they identify
it with that and that you can live with and
then still go on to do other things. But that's
a part of the gift.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You know, there's probably more parts of Tommy that there
are more parts of me that are closer to parts
of Tommy than.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Parts of me that are closer to bos Sterling.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
Well, I mean, I think in terms of emotional.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Not dealing and letting people up.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
But it's it's fun to try to stretch to have
a guy who was Special Forces in the Coastguard and
this wonderful backstory of going to Georgetown for law school
and really kind of diving deep in there and also
losing kind of like trying to restructure my body and
losing like twenty pounds for the character to be a
guy who is in the militar and trying to work
out the way that people in the Coast Guard Special
(15:03):
Forces would have to see if that physically changes the
body to the character to let the vessel be something different.
So it's a lot of fun, great challenges.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
McKinley, Is it true that you started off in corporate America? Right? Yeah, absolutely,
so you got into the industry later.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's well, yeah, I got into lad I was I
got a bachelor's degree in finance and the NBA and
marketing and information technology. So I was working for like
a Fortune five company, traveling around the world building marketing
program sales programs for stuff. And then I just started
modeling and got bored. And then that was kind of
the introduction to it all. And then just kind of
like Joseph was say, I'm a bit of a student
to everything, whether it's jiu jitsu, acting, whatever. So I
(15:38):
knew that there was a lot that I didn't though,
and I just took it as an opportunity to kind
of learn and see where it could go. But it's
very much about for me, it's a like a lifestyle
being present, like what is it that I can do
today to get me closer to tomorrow, which will get
me closer to my destiny. But yeah, but also not
being afraid to pivot, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Can you speak to that, because it's like, you know,
you you accomplished so much, right.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't know if I've accomplished it so much from
an educational perspective, right, So, but what is it in you?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
What's that nagging feeling that's like, no, you should you
should be doing something else, you should be doing this.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I think there's a voice on the inside, there's a
thing where it's like there's a point where you can
check all the boxes and things could be going right,
but there's still something missing. And I think the voice
of the whisper of something missing is louder than the
screams of the things that you have. So for me,
the opportunity is to kind of dive in there to
see where it could go. Because to me, the biggest
thing is martin us the King said the two greatest words,
(16:30):
that the two most powerful words in the English language
are too late. So like, I don't want to get
to the end and be like, damn, I wish I
would have tried. So I'm gonna leave it on the
table wherever it is, whether it's acting business whatever. But
but yeah, that the willingness to be free and to
see where the waves go, That's where I'm at.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
McKinley, how important has it been or was it to
show Lewis's like grieving process from the loss of his son.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I think the the.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
You know, grieving is hard anyway, and I think sometimes
we all just kind of put it in the bag
and keep moving, never really thinking about how much it weighs.
And I think, specifically for Lewis in this situation with
grieving the loss of a of a son, there's a
lot of things connected to that. I mean, we think
about things in a vacuum, but one son is connected
to another son. The spencer still lives like, oh man,
this is this young This young man could have grown
(17:20):
up to be this age, And there's a I think
there's there's a there's a there's a weird stigma when
it comes to expressing how we feel as black men,
and there's there's definitely a weight, weights that we're not
meant to carry. And my biggest piece of advice is
to put them down because you don't know that weight
could cause could cost you your life. So I think
(17:40):
for me grieving, being honest about how a person feels,
being president with our feelings and learning to be a
clear communicator of that so that other people.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Around are aware.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
To me, that's important and it also makes you more
of a vessel for other folks as they're going through I've.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Been exploring that a lot, right Like, you know, there's
a black man, this is a man in general. I
think the hardest thing for men to say is something
hurt they feel, and it's.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Hard to say that to another individual. It's hard to
look at another man to be like, yo, you hurt
my feeling.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I think the bigger thing is yeah, I agree
with that, But I think one of the things is
dangerous is camping in feelings. My biggest my bigger thing
is what is the foundation that the feelings come from.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
There's a root of it. What is the root?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Because that root might not be something My root may
very well be something that we weren't supposed to have, right,
whether it's fear, insecurity, whatever it is, Like, deal with
the root of that, because then you don't have to
deal with that area of the garden anymore once you
get the weeds up and that's that.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Space was a challenge story wise on the show for
Jackson as a character to allow him to have the
space to do all of that without her feeling some
type of way about well, is he did.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
He really want to be with her?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
Is he really you know? All those questions and realize
it's not about you with that moment, It's really about
him having this opportunity to grieve what happened.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Well, it's interesting and that's that's actually how beautiful the
story is. It's actually it is about me and it's
about us. So it's like sacrificing something for the bigger picture,
even if it doesn't yeh, the most sent some papers,
you know, because we read we read scripts and it
happens just like when y'all see it like wait a minute,
what's happening and will be like, wait a minute, what
is this?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Where is this going? So it's always.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, listen, it's the Cast a Reasonable Doubt. Season three
premiere September eighteenth. Here's eighteenth, Thursday.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Tomorrow, And I want to say I did something for reason.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
I'm here on the radio.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
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I'm the voice that pay attention to the case. Yeah, listen,
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