INTERVIEW: Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum & Angela Rye Talk Government Shutdown + More
October 14, 2025 • 42 mins
Today on The Breakfast Club, Tiffany Cross, Bakari Sellers, Andrew Gillum & Angela Rye Talk Government Shutdown. Listen For More!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago, The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Morning everybody, it's the j n V. Jesse, Larius Charlamage
and the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. Laura Rosa
is here as well, and they're about to fight already
ready Angela Rod, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillam and new to
the show, y'all just added the brother.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Man, you know they need a ratings so I.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Actually go someone to pull your show numbers.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Okay, how's this gonna work?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
I can't find my show numbers.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to be home.
It's a good group of people, and right now you
need a platform like this. So I think it's a
perfect time in perfect match.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Why did you guys decide to do it together?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I was just getting ready to tell you I'm glad
you asked that.
Speaker 7 (00:53):
You know, when we started this show, I envisioned this
group and Bakari was trying to be boo and keep
his little Spotify deal.
Speaker 8 (01:02):
Wow, and so he said, prove it was like my
deal wasn't a little.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But shout out to Bill Simmons for giving me an opportunity.
But everything runs its course.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
He didn't read for this commercial.
Speaker 7 (01:18):
The point is that we wanted him to be a
part of this and always like and I kept I
would keep coming back, right, I would keep saying you
are you ready?
Speaker 9 (01:25):
You ready?
Speaker 7 (01:26):
And it finally worked out, and so I'm really really
thrilled about it, especially at this really.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Difficult folk around me too, so I appreciate that. And
it's a family. So we've always been friends, and it's
always good to work with people who you're friends with.
Speaker 10 (01:38):
Wasn't there supposed to be a variation of this at CNN?
At one point it was called the Squad?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
I think what's frustrating is we we were the Squad
on CNN and we did segments. What was frustrating about
is there was a story that was leaked that said
they were giving us a show we ain't know nothing
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Did you ever get approaches?
Speaker 11 (01:59):
I think that is going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But I do think that the chemistry was there and
people saw it on screen, so hopefully people can people
can see now, Yeah, we woke up. It was on
page six one day, right because I saw a Google
alert that said the car Seller's page six.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But I wanted to ask what everything going to landscape
of media right now, and especially Trump getting people allegedly
fired and people get for their opinions. I'm saying legend
because I want people getting fired for their opinions. Does
that stop what you guys do or cut it back
or do you go even harder?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
I don't think that we have the luxury of filtering
truth at this point. I think that to not tell
the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie.
And so I think what you'll get on this show
is raw, unfiltered truth. There will be some conflict, there
will be some agreement, there will be everything in between.
We laugh a lot. I think that Bacari joining will
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add to that. These two, I'm looking forward to this
diameter because okay, he don't know, but they be fighting and.
Speaker 12 (03:02):
Look like yeah, to prove the record wrong, we are
sitting next to each other in the same shot.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, I don't think, but it's the same guy of things.
He looks like More's chestnuts.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, I mean chess on Saturday. He's taller than you,
so you definitely.
Speaker 13 (03:24):
Are cuter, handsome Jesus, well not honestly, like everything you're not.
His hairline is there, Oh god, Oh my god, well,
she's waiting on this, not playing this.
Speaker 14 (03:51):
I want to get back to what you said because
I appreciate the point that you're making about media capitulating.
Speaker 9 (03:57):
I think one thing.
Speaker 14 (03:58):
About all of us, we all had our own backgrounds
in media in different capacities. And one thing that people
can be sure to get when they tune in a
Native Lampod is an unfiltered approach, well researched facts.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
All of us are free, like we're not.
Speaker 14 (04:15):
We don't have some a boss that we have the
answer to for our opinions. We are not at the
will of the Trump administration in any capacity, and we.
Speaker 9 (04:25):
Lead with our community. We lead with our blackness.
Speaker 14 (04:28):
Because we've been so rutally oppressed in this country that
we owe it to the people. Well, the thousand things
pulling for your attention, we owe it to you when
you listen to Native Lampods if you are most authentic
selves and our most real takes on things at these
dangerous times.
Speaker 12 (04:44):
Align with Tiffany. I think people get that without even
knowing they're in the throes of like politics and.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
What's happening every day.
Speaker 12 (04:51):
The cultural connection to how you can take a bad
bunny story and related to what capitulation and bending a
knee is to to big media. The fact that they're
folks who are willing to steal limited and not enough
in my opinion, who are willing to go up to
the line and some folks over the line during this
Trump era is exactly I think what's required in order
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for us to get through this President and his administration
are shown when met.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
With force, they have a tendency to back up a bit.
Speaker 12 (05:19):
And so as long as we continue to I think,
push the limits of this thing and also continue to
develop the platforms in which we appear, making sure that
we don't ever get to a position where we're beholden
to one institution to get our word out over another,
we should be good. But one exception that I think
we're still working to get free. At least that's my experience.
(05:41):
But the goal here ought to be the liberation for
our whole community, where folks don't have to compromise themselves
based off what room they're walking into, what table they're
sitting down to who's on the other end of that table.
That we own our power enough and are secure enough,
meaning financially, mentally, and otherwise, then our people really can't
get free.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, but he's got the examples.
Speaker 10 (06:02):
What y'all to expound on what Tiffany was talking about,
the like, what's broken about how mainstream media covers race
and politics today?
Speaker 9 (06:09):
Well, a lack of black voices.
Speaker 14 (06:11):
You do see black faces on networks, but not a
lot of black voices. And I think a lot of
people are afraid and so often, particularly in journalism, what's
considered unbiased is rooted in what is white and male,
and that's not the case here. And I think you
have to be bold enough to be the first person
to say it. Oftentimes, when you are the first person
to say it, it's controversial. You know, in twenty sixteen,
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saying Donald Trump was a bigot was controversial. It took
so many other people to get there. And so you
have safe people who will wait until everybody else says
it before they say it. You have observers who will
sit back and learn and make sure that it's the right,
factual thing to say, and then the boldness among us
will come out and speak and honest truth and use
the platform responsibly, not lend it to people who undermine
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our community, and also not say something that is not
completely one hundred fact check and well researched. I think
that's we see so many people trying to be first,
sometimes trying to go viral on social media with these
clips and not always censoring the audience. And so we
always censor our viewers because they're our community.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Were the man knows it well.
Speaker 12 (07:16):
Right coming out of this last cycle and even before,
you were probably saying things every morning on the Breakfast
Club that were just part of your normal ethos. That
took lift, that took flight because of how different it
was from the and divergent it was from what the
what regular black voices were.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Saying in media.
Speaker 12 (07:33):
And you saw how quickly you became, you know, sort
of anointed as an important, vital voice for the moment.
And I think you know, you have to continue that
and you don't need white people to sanction that you've
been doing that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That's who you are.
Speaker 12 (07:46):
That's what this show has been for our community. And
that's why I think y'all the most listened to, you know,
place for for folks to go in the morning, because
they people are discerning, They know what's real, They know
when they're getting real, and then know when they're getting played.
You then they choose not to be played.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The great thing about the podcast or even when you
guys come together and speak, it's I get information in
layman terms, right, Because I always tell everybody all the time.
If you're going to college, take classes outside of your major.
Right your business major, you might want to take classes
in politics to learn more about political science and American
history because when people start talking.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
You feel like an outsider. When people feel like an outsider,
they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Even though it doesn't really matter anyway, because Trump does
things that that really is not really lawful. But when
it comes to those things, how do you continue on
doing it right? Because it becomes a lot Right this
week alone, I'm just thinking about what we spoke about
this week alone. It was sending troops to different states.
It was the Trump coin for a dollar, it was
you know, it's just so much going on.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
The frederal shutdown is really what fut down.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
It just seems like.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think you can learn a lot from Donald Trump too.
I think Donald Trump has taught us two things that
we need to take from the First is that he
speak to people on really like a very fundamental first
or second grade level. Under the theory that if if
they understand it, everybody will get it. And the second
thing is I've always said Donald Trump is probably one
of the most honest brokers we've dealt with in a
long time, because he literally told us everything he was
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going to do. And for people who are surprised, then,
I mean they we talked about Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean it's like literally, Paige after page after page,
Kamala Harris told you what he was going to do,
and it seems as if not it's becoming a reality.
People are having some issue with it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Do you think some of it is well? But I
think that some of it.
Speaker 11 (09:36):
Is surprised, not issue, but surprise.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
The pace, the overwhelming seventy through Project twenty twenty five.
I thought that it was going to happen. I thought
it was going to be over four year term. It
feels like we've lived one hundred years.
Speaker 10 (09:49):
Yeah, months. I would have been shot a Project twenty
twenty six in January.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
What if they get through twenty twenty five and then January,
it's like five.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
For forty years this pace, it might get that. The
other thing is is it's easy if you're Donald Trump
to speak simply and basically when you're people you're talking.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To is a monolith.
Speaker 12 (10:08):
They're all the same people.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Who at the core of it, whether they're rich.
Speaker 12 (10:11):
Poor, middle class or in between, have was a common
enemy the rise of black and brown people in this country.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
They see it as a threat.
Speaker 12 (10:18):
They may not even through their own eyes, say I
don't like that person because they're black and brown. What
they see is that kid's a threat to my kid
and my kids on the couch.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Free common the common denominator though, it's fear, I think.
Speaker 13 (10:30):
Fear of what Sometimes it's not even just those people
that register what he's saying better, it's I got family
members that be like, maybe Donald Trump isn't as bad
because they simply understood what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Would they need it or they were scared?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And I talk about that all the time with with
like a king Jefferies, for example, there's a counterpoint to this.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They both think they rap, they be throw a rap.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And Leonard yes, respond yes he did.
Speaker 11 (11:05):
He responded.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He I mean it was like ether the way he
responded to Charlotte Mae. But what I was saying is
that when I when I my frustration, my frustration with
the leader, the minority leader. Is that many times in response,
you will see a post that has four or five, six, seven,
eight paragraphs, right, And that's not the response we need.
That's not meeting the moment. And there are a lot
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of people right now that's my problem, and that's a
lot of people's problems with democratic leadership right now, Chuck
Schumer and King Jeffreys, The question is are they prepared
to meet this moment that we're in. This isn't a
moment for eight paragraphs soliloquies in college dissertations. This is
a This is a town hall in a setting, and
a barbershop in a church, in a you know, at
a high school football game, meeting people one on one
talking and we do too much talking. That's another thing,
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Like Democrats have become a party that talks at people.
They don't even talk to people, talk at people instead
of listening to people.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's your question.
Speaker 10 (11:56):
Can you call somebody a leader if they have to
wait on lobbyists to end the Democratic nominee for mayor
in New York City?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Can you really call him a leader?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I mean I think I don't have to wait on
their lob But I also think, but also like to
be completely honest. I think that leadership from a king
Jefferies would be to call Charlemagne right now and come
sit in here and answer those questions. And the reason
being is because don't. I'm not gonna answer for that man.
I've learned a long time ago you stop answering for
other grown men. But I do think that there is
a question that all three of you all are questions
(12:24):
that all three of you all can sit down because
I have beef. I sit down here and told you
what type of person Eric Adams was. I told you
he was terrible.
Speaker 11 (12:31):
Nothing. He was in a good mayor.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's probably one of the worst big city mayors we've
ever had, right, and that kind of came to fruition.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
But I think that you should have to be able.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
To hold you Adam in the new book already text me,
I told you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What did you say about Eric Adams early on.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
That you didn't like that nobody else seen.
Speaker 14 (12:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I just told you he was unethical, and I told
you there was no reason for mayor to actually govern
the city between the hours of eleven and three am.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Statement.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean that things mayors do between that time
that connecting the people.
Speaker 12 (13:06):
But especially I'm not going to okay for Eric Adams.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We're not talking about emergencies we talked about. We talk
about this dude hang out more than charm.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
To meet people where they are.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
And so to the extent that his extension of the
mayor's office meant being at a club at a certain
hour and people knew that their mayor was there, and
maybe they raked about something that got the man gage.
That'd be something I don't know that to be true.
Leadership though, has to be part qualified by your willingness
to walk into the fire, especially when your life is
in the fire every single day. The other thing is
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is what got us, what got us to this point
won't get us to the next point. So people think, okay,
if Democrats are, you know, with a resistance with this,
but you may be that, but that doesn't win you
the House of Representatives coming the terms or the presidency
next unless you are bringing something that people can approach,
be inspired by, and also a plan to look forward to,
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look forward to.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Say it may lose you New Jersey.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
We're not gonna lose New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'm just saying though, But I'm just saying that that
type of complacency that you're discussing, we have to have
that urgency of now.
Speaker 12 (14:14):
But the thing is, I hate that we have to
be prescribed. It ought to be something in the blood
of anybody who serves to be who puts this in
themselves to lead people. Ought to have so much grit
and confidence, but also consciousness not to have to poll
test the moment we should be poll testing whether or
not it works for members to run for reelection without
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endorsing a Charlie Kirk resolution of honoring no if a
voter is asking me about whether I endorse that they're
not my voter to begin with, not to mention you
can resent and hate and to cry the death and
murder of a person without endorsing the harm that they
did during their living years, and that resolution went that direction.
The capitulation that took place there is costly not because
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it's just Charlie Kirk. It's an example of what leadership
under Democrats looks like, which is we're willing to cave
on our most fundamental beliefs and throw our most important
constituency black people, black women, black male pilots who he
looks at and says whether or not they're qualified to
fly plane because the color of their skin. This is
the dudes you sign onto a resolution to honoring. If
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I can't get you to fight for yourself, that's who
they are.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
For yourself, what do.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
You do for me?
Speaker 12 (15:26):
The biggest opposition to the Democrats returning to power are
the Democratic leaders themselves.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I agree, are they are?
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I have a question for you guys.
Speaker 14 (15:34):
I can't because you guys, you hear are discussions. These
are the kind of discussions that we have on the show.
You guys have amassed this huge audience. You and I
have disagreed on my thoughts on people not being as
intellectually engaged. We're trying to reach massive amounts of audience,
massive people. What advice do you all give us? We debuted,
as you know, is the number one podcast across all
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categories on Apple. But we're still trying to reach people.
Our numbers are growing, but just any insight from you all.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Let me answer that first.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The first thing I would say is is when you
guys always come up here, especially Ms Rye, I ask
as like you said earlier, as a as a third grader, right,
because that's happened though, come up. The reason I say
that is a lot of times we don't understand politics,
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we don't understand law, and a lot of times people
listen to people online that they think are actually right,
but we realized that they were wrong. You know, So
we don't know if we're listening to somebody that's true,
that's right. How do we possibly say, okay, well we're
riding with them, or we understand it so we're angela.
I asked, so, break this down in this term. Don't
use all the political terms that you guys use. No
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tell me how you would tell a third grader. Don't
expect me to know. Like if I tell you about
a car and I say it's a eight thirty M
three bbs, it's the seventeen is the lips?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
This you can play.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Looks like.
Speaker 14 (17:01):
People will say, oh, well the DLJ this morning and
the CBO is saying they can't afford that.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
Most people don't know what the CBO is.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
But when you break it down terms where you're trying
to teach me and not over me, it makes me
want I think you.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Are assuming that politicians and politics wants to be explained
so that it's accessible The big trick behind it is
your goal is to keep people believing that they don't
have access, that this is too complicated, correct, so that
when they're doing the bullshit, you're not following it. You're
just assuming that this is the way it's supposed to go.
It's harder to hold people accountable when you're not sure
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what you should be holding the accountable to do. So,
politicians deliberately cloud the water power I should say not
just politicians. Power attempts to look inaccessible, because if it's inaccessible,
then you don't have to worry about everyday.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Common man and woman holding you to account.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
That's why I think if folks are listening and they
feel like the language doesn't include them and that it
feels too complicated, just know that you're not alone, and
you're probably thinking the right thing because that's exactly what
they want you to think, and so your head's on
a swivel.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I think for me, it's trust.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
One thing I always say to myself, if you lie
to me about Democrats, then I won't believe you when
you tell me about Republicans. And I think that there's
too many Democrats that are still caping for the Democratic
Party when we the people can see that the Democratic
Party is on some bullshit. So I think when books
like The Original Sin come out are you know, one
hundred and seven Days by comm Lad, they're actually refreshing
because I'm like, oh, we weren't.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (18:31):
So I think that whenever you have people like yourselves
who are willing to go out there and you know,
speak truth to power about the party you represent, that
that holds a lot of weight with me.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I think for me, it's like youth. I actually was
talking about y'all.
Speaker 13 (18:44):
I went and spoke at this thing for Thurgood Marshall
Foundation and I met this young man. I can't remember
his name right now, but I met him and he
was telling me about a platform that he's created.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
And when he was.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
Talking to me, I'm like, are you into like, you know,
civil rights and like community and politics? And he was
like yeah, I could feel the passion. And he was
asking me what should he do And I was like,
do you follow Nato Van podcasts?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And he was like I do.
Speaker 13 (19:08):
I watched him all the time, and he was saying
to me that he feels like what he's building right
now is so far from what you guys are doing.
And I was in my head, like, to be honest
with you, them kind of connecting with a person like
you opens him up to such a different audience because
he was so smart and like it reminded me of
talking to you guys. But he's a college senior, so
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I think I don't know what that looks like for y'all. Know,
we were at Howard and like when Kamalo was the
presidential race was happening. Maybe it's like, you know, you
guys going to college campuses or something like that. But
I literally was talking to him and I was like,
I actually told him would connect Tom Lolo.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah, but yeah, they're a producer.
Speaker 13 (19:48):
But when I was talking to him, I'm like, it
would be fire to see what a person like him
has built, merging what you guys are already doing, because
it takes it to a level where like now you
hear from like the youth and people that are like
he's entering the world thinking about all this stuff.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
And Lawrence has brought up a good point too, Like
we were reporting this one about how you know, turning
point USA blexit is going to all of these campuses
and I'm like yo, you can either ignore it or
you can choose to engage. Where's the organization on the
other side?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's right?
Speaker 14 (20:17):
That yeah, I say they should ignore it because it No,
that only helps them one.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It gives them an audience that I don't think they deserve.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
They already have one.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
They already they have one on that side.
Speaker 14 (20:31):
I don't they have more of a conservative audience. I
take your point about where's the organization on the other side,
So I say, build something with better intentions. But turning point,
I don't think their intentions are really a good faith debate.
I think they are spreading misinformation and disinformation and trying
to provoke, like trying to provoke college students into into
having these virals.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I think the problem that we have right now though,
is that sometimes because of our complacency and our being
like Democratic Party and the uote unquote youth or young
folk within the party. Because of the complacency and oftentimes
taking for granted these younger voters, taking for granted black
voters and voters who we normally just say will show
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up for us, We've created this vacuum, right, We've created
this void that is there. And so when you have
a bleckxit going to a Hampton or Howard or Morehouse
or you know, Prairie View or wherever it may be,
or you know, meeting with the Black Student Union Atsissippi State. Yeah,
we all know that the organization, you know, when it
talks about issues like this, they're not really there talking
about issues that center us. We know it's a political ploy. However,
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the vacuum will be filled with noise and there are
going to be people who are responsive to that noise.
So to Charlemagne's point, you know a lot of times
you just can't leave these truths. And this is what
you were saying. I do believe you can't leave these
truths to just be unattended, right, or not even truths
truth I would say these statements, these statements or whatever
they're doing to be unattended, because we've done that too long.
Speaker 15 (21:56):
But if you're thirsty, yes they will, and the students,
students and more House will show up simply because of
Because I am not a big proponent I hate cancel culture.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'm not a big proponent of not allowing people on
your campus. I'm not a big because I think that
I think that institutions of higher learning in particular have
to be these bastions of intellectual debate, right, But.
Speaker 14 (22:18):
It's not intellectual debate. These are white supremacists.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
I'm talking they.
Speaker 12 (22:22):
Can I just say more generally that they're not. If
people are thirsty, they will drink from miarrage even though
the water is not there, preach because somebody is, somebody's
telling them something. And my experience has been a lot
of young people, a lot of people in general, don't
have ideological lenses necessarily. They have things that happen in
their life, and they have ways in which they respond
to it. And the way for sure, but I have
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to tell you a lot of folks were They weren't
carrying a Democrat or Republican flag. They had an issue
or a concern and they wanted to know how we
were going to speak to it. And if the only
person talking it's Charlie Kirk, you know, uh point. But
the larger conservative, right, if that's all that you're hearing
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and you're not cinched, well in what the other argument
might be, they might have something.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And I think the most amazing thing you said is
that they're thirsty. I mean, so like when people talk
to me about Charlemagne. They talked to me about Charlemagne
all the time, and I say, the most amazing thing
about Charlemagne is he approaches things with this intellectual curiosity
and people are taken aback by it. But I'm like,
he's asking a question because of something he's gone through,
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something he's seen, or something he's heard. And it's not
a place of condescension. It's not a place of disrespect.
It's like King Jeffries, explain to me because I am curious, Cius, Well,
I mean that's because they am beef curious. Yeah, just
but I mean it's like, explain to me x y z.
And it comes from a place of intellectual curiosity, which
breeds that thirst. And for far too long we've taken
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this perch r position that yeah, okay, it's rooted in racism,
is rooted in ignorance. I won't go there with them.
And because I also so abscribe to your notion a
little bit that when you roll around with pigs, you
both get money and only the pig likes it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So what do you What did you think when like
Candice Owens came up here and some of those other
political views that don't necessarily align with our culture and
our people.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I mean, I'm glad that there was somebody there to
push back. Now there's a question of whether or not
you should have given her a platform such as this right,
I like, but but those are healthy debates, especially I.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Don't have access.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
How many of our people are already tapped into I agree
with that.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I'm gonna say something now because I let y'all talk
for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But I'm just I just think this.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
I think it is important if you are going to
give room for the debate, that you challenge the lies.
And I'm not just saying you or y'all, I'm saying
all of us. I This is something that I have
disagreed vehemently with Tiff and Andrew about because I do
think we should put conservative voices on our show. I
don't think it should just be the people that we
like are cam mildly tolerate. I do think that we
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should we should have folks on who aren't necessarily dangerous
or trying to be dangerous, but really believe not performing.
Not the ones that went to that line because it
was shorter, but the ones who really believed that, like
my dad's mentor. Arthur Fletcher was a black Republican. He
is a father of affirmative action. There were Republicans that
had a hell of a lot more sense than where
folks have now. But when they go unchecked and unchallenged, this.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Is where you end up.
Speaker 14 (25:14):
But there's a difference between conservative voices and the canvas
owns like I've never been opposed to conservative voices. I've
been opposed to performative people who are intentionally trafficking and
misinformation and disinformation and are gifted a platform right exactly
like I think there are honest brokers out there.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I don't know her to say whether that's her honest
experience or not. I research into her background, research into
her background too, and just like everybody else, like there
was a point in time where I went to the
altar and got saved and my life was changed, right
like there, people have moments where they changed there.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It could be a pivot because I.
Speaker 12 (25:52):
Think worth debating, because the thing that we keep denying
is that people are going to access what she has
to say anyway.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
People are listening listening to her.
Speaker 13 (26:12):
They like live and die by her, I promise you,
and I think to your point. I get what you're saying,
but it's like it's happening anyway. And when I'm talking
about the youth, I mean they thrive off of who's
on YouTube reacting TikTok. They might not come and find
you guys Native Land podcast, but they're going to end
up somehow getting some content from her. So I think
if there was something just as powerful there a conversation
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with her and you guys, then you are funneled in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And it's just a part of the thing is this
stuff is paid for pao.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
But YouTube cannot be your only you know.
Speaker 14 (26:44):
I always say, like every piece of news is not
gonna come with a little hip hop dance on TikTok.
So I think we have to. I'm curious beause y'all
are STA presidents. I do think we have to challenge
our youth and our community and our people to take
some responsibility for your own intellectual curiosity and find reputable reputable.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I would disagree with sometimes too.
Speaker 13 (27:04):
I've seen outlets retract stories, especially in today's time, because
everything translated as hard as.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Trust.
Speaker 13 (27:13):
I think that one person is lean into them because
you don't know who's who's wrong. Sometimes they literally send
people to outlets that we also don't trust, like we
would say, we've talked on the on the on the podcast,
Oh go to Washington Posts.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
They just fired Karen Antia, Like there are news.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Outlets that are reputable that are still very harmful to
black culture.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So there's that too.
Speaker 11 (27:33):
No, you're good.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I'm getting prepared for the show for the podcast, and
I hope you guys let me and Andrew talk a
little bit. I do think that there I do disagree
with Tiffany on this point. I think that we have
to meet people where they are, and right now we
are dealing with the generation that consumes news in ways
that we are not used to.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It kind of makes us old understanding that, Yeah, they
get their news from TikTok, and I also realized they
like their news with the words on the screen. They
like to be able to read why they hear it right,
They want to actually be able to have a rhythm
to it or whatever it may be. That's just the
way they consume news. And I don't think you can
look down upon that. I think you have to adapt
to it or you become old. That's first and second looking.
Speaker 14 (28:12):
Down though, it's like can we challenge them to me
time and steal us from the col Hanna Jones, But
this is a time for reading. You can challenge everything,
cannot be a sixth.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You can challenge them. You can challenge them in their space.
But that's also let's going back to Candace Owens. The
reason I didn't have a problem with Candace owns here
is because you all appear to be prepped to push back.
And my the difference is when you have jd Vance,
When you have jd Vance interviewing the theovon interviewing jd
Vance like that, you can't even push back on the lies.
(28:43):
You can't push back on the untruth. It's like an
unfiltered misinformation, disinformation fire.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Hose, just stuff coming to a proper candid So that's
my point.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I mean, I think Ben Shapiro is a good example too.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
You know, we had Ben Shapiro up here, and you
know we push back on things. But what people fail
to realize is the very next day we had medio
sign up here. So we let media sign push back
on the things that we say. So you got to
you gotta stay tuned every day like the news.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
A news network.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
Sure, I also think you have to condition it, making
sure feel this is your perspective from your experience. I
can't deny you what your experience is, but there is
a difference between what's true and what isn't true, what's
a fact and what's made up.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
Well, I will also say this one thing that I
love I love I love Abbey Phillips Show.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
And the reason I love Abbe Phillips.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
Show is because she'll have the conservatives on it, but
then you'll have you on too, and she'll have sellos
on right. And I love when Angela was on seeing
it because you need that, Like somebody said it in
here earlier. If you don't know what the truth is
and you hear something and it sounds good, you're just
gonna go with that. And if it justinchanged, but when
it's challenged, you like agree might have been right on that.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think I'm always a big proponent of the free
flow of information, and you have to be prepared to
check it or challenge it when it comes your way.
I don't think you can just shut the door to
it because because because unfortunately.
Speaker 14 (30:01):
That shit came through any like debating slavery, like to me,
you have to have a line at some point where
this is just nonsense, where this.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Is not when the other side is now laying in
new bed and this idea that there were positives that
came from the experience, and you now have younger people
who are less connected to what slavery meant and our
struggle to overcome it, who are hearing these things, and
what does that do?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Over time? It softens their defense.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Of the evil that slavery was, but it's not. But
if we don't go to them, then we can't challenge.
Speaker 10 (30:34):
And then when you got people like Kanye years ago
saying slavery was a choice, and you got a bunch
of niggas who swear they getting up with somebody, there's
no way.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Answer, and bless and bless it and bless it is
literally going to these campuses talking about building a foundation.
That's not that that's the antithesis to the roots laid
by the civil rights movement.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
That's like a fundamental tenet of it.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
This is this this other part because I've tried to
go in and just look at some of their rhetoric,
and there's something that says, like, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Like you're not going to be a victim anymore.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
And I think that that rhetoric is resonant because there
are so many instances in our life, like right now
as they dismantle DEI. Whether you think DEI was most
effective or not, it protected some jobs, it created some jobs,
it created some opportunities.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So we are being victimized.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So there's something very empowering, Like in this moment where
I've applied for three hundred jobs, let's say, and I
haven't been hired. I am feeling like I'm a victim,
but somebody's telling me there's a choice I can make
where I'm no longer going to be a victim. Now,
when they get in that room, they're going to realize
that that rhetoric is in all the way ALIGNE. But
there are some touch points where they're tapping into our
trigger points where it's like, Okay, maybe there's the space
(31:43):
for me that.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
You want to be hopeful.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Yeah, but I want to be hopeful about a future
that they can have. We're not always clear that the
other side is selling us a bill of dreams and
am not leveling with us. And I completely regret to
relate to the not wanting to be a victim in
my own try and situations. I always kept telling myself,
I'm not a victim. I have choice here after even
in the moments where honestly, if I had interrogated it,
(32:07):
no I didn't. There was a thing, There was a
thing set in motion that began to happen, that began
to unravel, and no matter how skilled I thought, I
was at a thing that the conclusion was going to
be what it was, and unfortunately married you do not.
Speaker 11 (32:23):
I do not co.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Sign that statement.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
With us.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I want to have a question about some of my
listeners have been really talking about NBA young boy, the.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Government shut down.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Yeah, I'm asking a question, but I'm telling you, people
don't care whose fault is it.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Is it Democrats or as Republicans.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
So I don't think you can answer that question that way.
So so the way I answer it is this, Democrats
are fighting in this country for you to have access
to quality healthcare.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Period.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
People's premiums are about to go up in a couple
of weeks, and we're talking three hundred times the amount
that you're going to pay for insurance. The number of
people who are going to be kicked off of Medicaid
is fifteen twelve to fifteen million, So you're not going
to be able to get care, and then the places
that you go to get care are shutting down. We're
not even talking about planned parenthoods. We're talking about community
centers like the one and Oh Claire. They shut down
(33:18):
six centers in South Carolina. And so the battle that
Democrats are waging right now is, look, we think that
we should have access to quality care, and Republicans can
stop the shutdown if they come to the table and
simply vote to extend those ACA subsidies.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Point your Republicans fought, well, he's not trying to say
it that way. And I think that part of the
reason why is because well, this is my argument.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I'm going to put this on you. It's too little,
too late.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
So people have watched, as you would say, Democrats capitulate
over and over and over again, and now it's like,
now is the time to stand our ground. But where
was the time to stand the ground when the big
ugly bill was getting passed. Where was the time to
stand around on the Charlie Kirk resolution just two weeks ago?
When was the time to stand your ground when you
could have at least pushed back in terms of rhetoric
and what you're saying. And so people are just like
(34:02):
it's a fight, but it ain't with the right weapons,
and premiums are still going to go up.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
But to charlemage your point, people are not gonna What
Republicans successfully did is they delayed much of them. They
attempted to delay much of the impacts of the legislation.
So they passed a bill that transferred one trillion dollars
from working people in this country, largest wealth transfer in
the history of America, and took that one trillion and
gave it away to the wealthiest one percent minus of
(34:31):
Americans in this country who didn't ask what and don't
deserve it.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
And Trump just gave twenty billion in Argentina.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
So again these but the but, but American citizens are
not experiencing it in real time. The consequences for those
decisions are delayed, and they're delayed by deliberations.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Some Americans because federal workers.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You guys are talking.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I was just saying, there's two different conversations happening. He's
talking about the July Bill, you're talking about the shutdown.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
So the problem they're connected.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
They are.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
The July Bill set the framework for those subsidies to
go out of what to be retired. Democrats are saying,
y'all did a hell of a lot of damage, and
now all we're asking you to just repair some of
the harm just a little bit, but making sure that
the people who have insurance today and are paying lower
premiums today can continue to do that tomorrow. And you
can do that by simply reinstating the incentives that came
(35:20):
through Obamacare. They can make that decision. They're choosing to
continue to give the wealthiest one a trillion dollars, steal
it from you and make you pay three hundred percent
more than what you're paying today and your health suppsett.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
And meanwhile, it's seven hundred thousand government workers who have
been furloughed and they don't know if they're ever going
to get paid.
Speaker 14 (35:40):
That's that's wrong, that's against the law. He said, what
is the law exact this point?
Speaker 10 (35:46):
Yeah, so who I guess, Yeah, who's fauoted it? Because
people are calling them for this money.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
They don't care. They're like, they don't care if it's
Democrat Republican.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But the math is the math. The math is the math.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
The people who have the power to pass bills in
congres is the Senate. The person who signs the bill
into law is a Republican in the White House named
Donald J.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Trump. What's the J stand for?
Speaker 11 (36:07):
I don't know, but John John.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Because Democrats are taking credit for holding things up, because
they're taking the stand for.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The healthcare well, because they need sixty votes in the Senate.
Speaker 12 (36:15):
Right, No, no, But the truth is is that when
Democrats were president and Republicans have the majority, Democrats were
able to get sixty percent majorities to keep the government open.
This is at the end of the day, in the
beginning of the day, the fault of the people who
have the power, the power right now resides and the
Republican president, the Republican Senate majority, and the Republican Speaker
of the House. So who's faulted in the Republicans is
the Republicans who have the majorities to make decisions. Democrats
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are simply trying to be a stop gap.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
To Entrew's point, the last time we had a government
shut down was under Donald Trump.
Speaker 13 (36:50):
But even if you find fault right, because I think
this is why people accidentally end up over there on
the other side, because they feel like, all right, fault
goes back and forth.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But action, where is action?
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Because it can be the Republicans.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
I'm gonna get my check.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Yeah it's Donald Trump, but I'm still sitting here for
alow no job. So like, now what and y'all want
me to go vote? Y'all want me to do this,
y'all me to not listen to the name when we
thought he gave out checks, Like I think for me
as just like a regular person who doesn't buy into
a lot of this. It's like there's a revolving door
of we find fault. Something happens, one person tells you
it's better you vote for them. It messes up again.
It's like where does this end?
Speaker 11 (37:21):
Follow your truth?
Speaker 12 (37:22):
If your subsidies are going up, if you are out
of a job and you're a federal employee today, follow
what the truth is. It isn't mathema, this isn't rocket science.
The government is shut down because of the Republicans. Now,
I'm guessing that the average voter really doesn't care about.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Fault right now.
Speaker 12 (37:37):
They want to know how to get it back open.
Here's the simple way to get it back open. The
Senate and the House can agree to make sure that
Roorking people have access to healthcare without paying three hundred
percent more tomorrow than they did today. And when they
come to that conclusion, the President can sign it in
the law, and the Republicans can open the government.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Can open up government right now they have literally, I mean,
it's that easy. And so what what I've been And
that's that's why I didn't answer Charlemagne's question with a
Demo or a Republican.
Speaker 11 (38:05):
The answer is very easy.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I mean, if we wanted to open up government, then
Republicans come back. They first of all, they went home,
come back to DC, sit in the room with Democrats,
say we're going to extend these subsidies. Let's figure out
what that looks like, and then boom.
Speaker 12 (38:17):
But Trump and the rovers are playing in our face
completely because they're telling us that it's the Democrats when
the truth is is that they are incentivized to keep
the government closed. The President doesn't want checks and balances,
The government doesn't want uh auditor generals in these departments
checking their behavior.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Shut down the.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Way they just made your boy, your friend herschel Walker,
he's the ambassador to the Bahamas now the hershel Man Ambassador.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
Ambassador Walker but again.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
There as Miche Bahamas bah.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
He signed it out.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Your points.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
The people who get food stamps, snap benefits, they are suffering.
Speaker 9 (39:14):
They're going to go down significantly.
Speaker 14 (39:16):
The people who travel, right, people the airlines, if you're
planning on traveling, they're gonna suffer. A team we saw
routinely air traffic controllers who make sure we don't crash.
They started calling out sick because they were not getting paid,
and now he's threatening their back pay, a wick, women,
infinite children. Those benefits are going to go down. These
programs impact black people, they disproportionately impact white people. So
(39:37):
I think I get your point. It doesn't matter whose
fault it is. Somewhere somewhat right now, someone's driving to work,
uh at a job that they still have, figuring out
how they're going to pay their mortgage, how they're going
to take care of their kids, and they don't care
whose fault it is.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
They just want to make it.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Just stop politicizing people's pain. I think that's what people
that's what people be calling. I'm saying, like, I don't
care who did what.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I want my check right.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
Donald Trump put on governments, reverse on government websites and
Democrats shut down that there's no there are no equals here.
The Republicans and the Democrats are not equal in the
way they're approaching this. Donald Trump knows that he is
causing an exacting pain. He is using our taxpayer dollars
to then blame one political party over another, and all
the while he is sitting high being able to rule
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his country by fiat right, so the incentives appear perverse.
A president usually wants to take care of all Americans.
This guy doesn't care about all Americans. And he's made
it clear every single opportunity he's given.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yes and he said he don't. He don't think everybody
should get back pay.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Of course he don't.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's literally the point.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
This seven hundred thousand plus worker or worker number that
that have been furloughed, they are debating right now whether
they will get back back.
Speaker 14 (40:51):
And government contractors who are not even included in that number,
they won't get back pay.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
They're just they're just out.
Speaker 12 (40:56):
And basically, the largest employer in the entire United States,
being the United States government, has decided not to pay
the largest set of workers in the United States of
America and are then impacting it on all of us,
because these are the people we need for the services
that we all rely on.
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I love the Nata lamp podcasts. I love the discussions.
But always tell Angela, Andrew always like lands the plane.
I'm sitting here, y'all be like, he always lands plane
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I get it that I was getting.
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Seriously, when you were talking, I was getting goosebumps and
a little sad because I'm like, this man should have
been the governor of Florida. And most of our comments
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I agree?
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always good to work with people who you're friends with.
Speaker 10 (01:38):
Wasn't there supposed to be a variation of this at CNN?
At one point it was called the Squad?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
I think what's frustrating is we we were the Squad
on CNN and we did segments. What was frustrating about
is there was a story that was leaked that said
they were giving us a show we ain't know nothing
about it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Did you ever get approaches?
Speaker 11 (01:59):
I think that is going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But I do think that the chemistry was there and
people saw it on screen, so hopefully people can people
can see now, Yeah, we woke up. It was on
page six one day, right because I saw a Google
alert that said the car Seller's page six.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
But I wanted to ask what everything going to landscape
of media right now, and especially Trump getting people allegedly
fired and people get for their opinions. I'm saying legend
because I want people getting fired for their opinions. Does
that stop what you guys do or cut it back
or do you go even harder?
Speaker 7 (02:35):
I don't think that we have the luxury of filtering
truth at this point. I think that to not tell
the truth is more dangerous than to uphold the lie.
And so I think what you'll get on this show
is raw, unfiltered truth. There will be some conflict, there
will be some agreement, there will be everything in between.
We laugh a lot. I think that Bacari joining will
(02:55):
add to that. These two, I'm looking forward to this
diameter because okay, he don't know, but they be fighting and.
Speaker 12 (03:02):
Look like yeah, to prove the record wrong, we are
sitting next to each other in the same shot.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yes, I don't think, but it's the same guy of things.
He looks like More's chestnuts.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, I mean chess on Saturday. He's taller than you,
so you definitely.
Speaker 13 (03:24):
Are cuter, handsome Jesus, well not honestly, like everything you're not.
His hairline is there, Oh god, Oh my god, well,
she's waiting on this, not playing this.
Speaker 14 (03:51):
I want to get back to what you said because
I appreciate the point that you're making about media capitulating.
Speaker 9 (03:57):
I think one thing.
Speaker 14 (03:58):
About all of us, we all had our own backgrounds
in media in different capacities. And one thing that people
can be sure to get when they tune in a
Native Lampod is an unfiltered approach, well researched facts.
Speaker 9 (04:12):
All of us are free, like we're not.
Speaker 14 (04:15):
We don't have some a boss that we have the
answer to for our opinions. We are not at the
will of the Trump administration in any capacity, and we.
Speaker 9 (04:25):
Lead with our community. We lead with our blackness.
Speaker 14 (04:28):
Because we've been so rutally oppressed in this country that
we owe it to the people. Well, the thousand things
pulling for your attention, we owe it to you when
you listen to Native Lampods if you are most authentic
selves and our most real takes on things at these
dangerous times.
Speaker 12 (04:44):
Align with Tiffany. I think people get that without even
knowing they're in the throes of like politics and.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
What's happening every day.
Speaker 12 (04:51):
The cultural connection to how you can take a bad
bunny story and related to what capitulation and bending a
knee is to to big media. The fact that they're
folks who are willing to steal limited and not enough
in my opinion, who are willing to go up to
the line and some folks over the line during this
Trump era is exactly I think what's required in order
(05:12):
for us to get through this President and his administration
are shown when met.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
With force, they have a tendency to back up a bit.
Speaker 12 (05:19):
And so as long as we continue to I think,
push the limits of this thing and also continue to
develop the platforms in which we appear, making sure that
we don't ever get to a position where we're beholden
to one institution to get our word out over another,
we should be good. But one exception that I think
we're still working to get free. At least that's my experience.
(05:41):
But the goal here ought to be the liberation for
our whole community, where folks don't have to compromise themselves
based off what room they're walking into, what table they're
sitting down to who's on the other end of that table.
That we own our power enough and are secure enough,
meaning financially, mentally, and otherwise, then our people really can't
get free.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Yeah, but he's got the examples.
Speaker 10 (06:02):
What y'all to expound on what Tiffany was talking about,
the like, what's broken about how mainstream media covers race
and politics today?
Speaker 9 (06:09):
Well, a lack of black voices.
Speaker 14 (06:11):
You do see black faces on networks, but not a
lot of black voices. And I think a lot of
people are afraid and so often, particularly in journalism, what's
considered unbiased is rooted in what is white and male,
and that's not the case here. And I think you
have to be bold enough to be the first person
to say it. Oftentimes, when you are the first person
to say it, it's controversial. You know, in twenty sixteen,
(06:33):
saying Donald Trump was a bigot was controversial. It took
so many other people to get there. And so you
have safe people who will wait until everybody else says
it before they say it. You have observers who will
sit back and learn and make sure that it's the right,
factual thing to say, and then the boldness among us
will come out and speak and honest truth and use
the platform responsibly, not lend it to people who undermine
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our community, and also not say something that is not
completely one hundred fact check and well researched. I think
that's we see so many people trying to be first,
sometimes trying to go viral on social media with these
clips and not always censoring the audience. And so we
always censor our viewers because they're our community.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Were the man knows it well.
Speaker 12 (07:16):
Right coming out of this last cycle and even before,
you were probably saying things every morning on the Breakfast
Club that were just part of your normal ethos. That
took lift, that took flight because of how different it
was from the and divergent it was from what the
what regular black voices were.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
Saying in media.
Speaker 12 (07:33):
And you saw how quickly you became, you know, sort
of anointed as an important, vital voice for the moment.
And I think you know, you have to continue that
and you don't need white people to sanction that you've
been doing that.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
That's who you are.
Speaker 12 (07:46):
That's what this show has been for our community. And
that's why I think y'all the most listened to, you know,
place for for folks to go in the morning, because
they people are discerning, They know what's real, They know
when they're getting real, and then know when they're getting played.
You then they choose not to be played.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The great thing about the podcast or even when you
guys come together and speak, it's I get information in
layman terms, right, Because I always tell everybody all the time.
If you're going to college, take classes outside of your major.
Right your business major, you might want to take classes
in politics to learn more about political science and American
history because when people start talking.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
You feel like an outsider. When people feel like an outsider,
they don't understand.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Even though it doesn't really matter anyway, because Trump does
things that that really is not really lawful. But when
it comes to those things, how do you continue on
doing it right? Because it becomes a lot Right this
week alone, I'm just thinking about what we spoke about
this week alone. It was sending troops to different states.
It was the Trump coin for a dollar, it was
you know, it's just so much going on.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
The frederal shutdown is really what fut down.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
It just seems like.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think you can learn a lot from Donald Trump too.
I think Donald Trump has taught us two things that
we need to take from the First is that he
speak to people on really like a very fundamental first
or second grade level. Under the theory that if if
they understand it, everybody will get it. And the second
thing is I've always said Donald Trump is probably one
of the most honest brokers we've dealt with in a
long time, because he literally told us everything he was
(09:15):
going to do. And for people who are surprised, then,
I mean they we talked about Project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 11 (09:22):
We talked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I mean it's like literally, Paige after page after page,
Kamala Harris told you what he was going to do,
and it seems as if not it's becoming a reality.
People are having some issue with it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Do you think some of it is well? But I
think that some of it.
Speaker 11 (09:36):
Is surprised, not issue, but surprise.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
The pace, the overwhelming seventy through Project twenty twenty five.
I thought that it was going to happen. I thought
it was going to be over four year term. It
feels like we've lived one hundred years.
Speaker 10 (09:49):
Yeah, months. I would have been shot a Project twenty
twenty six in January.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
What if they get through twenty twenty five and then January,
it's like five.
Speaker 12 (09:57):
For forty years this pace, it might get that. The
other thing is is it's easy if you're Donald Trump
to speak simply and basically when you're people you're talking.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To is a monolith.
Speaker 12 (10:08):
They're all the same people.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Who at the core of it, whether they're rich.
Speaker 12 (10:11):
Poor, middle class or in between, have was a common
enemy the rise of black and brown people in this country.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
They see it as a threat.
Speaker 12 (10:18):
They may not even through their own eyes, say I
don't like that person because they're black and brown. What
they see is that kid's a threat to my kid
and my kids on the couch.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Free common the common denominator though, it's fear, I think.
Speaker 13 (10:30):
Fear of what Sometimes it's not even just those people
that register what he's saying better, it's I got family
members that be like, maybe Donald Trump isn't as bad
because they simply understood what he was saying.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Would they need it or they were scared?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
And I talk about that all the time with with
like a king Jefferies, for example, there's a counterpoint to this.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They both think they rap, they be throw a rap.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
And Leonard yes, respond yes he did.
Speaker 11 (11:05):
He responded.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He I mean it was like ether the way he
responded to Charlotte Mae. But what I was saying is
that when I when I my frustration, my frustration with
the leader, the minority leader. Is that many times in response,
you will see a post that has four or five, six, seven,
eight paragraphs, right, And that's not the response we need.
That's not meeting the moment. And there are a lot
(11:26):
of people right now that's my problem, and that's a
lot of people's problems with democratic leadership right now, Chuck
Schumer and King Jeffreys, The question is are they prepared
to meet this moment that we're in. This isn't a
moment for eight paragraphs soliloquies in college dissertations. This is
a This is a town hall in a setting, and
a barbershop in a church, in a you know, at
a high school football game, meeting people one on one
talking and we do too much talking. That's another thing,
(11:49):
Like Democrats have become a party that talks at people.
They don't even talk to people, talk at people instead
of listening to people.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's your question.
Speaker 10 (11:56):
Can you call somebody a leader if they have to
wait on lobbyists to end the Democratic nominee for mayor
in New York City?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Can you really call him a leader?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I mean I think I don't have to wait on
their lob But I also think, but also like to
be completely honest. I think that leadership from a king
Jefferies would be to call Charlemagne right now and come
sit in here and answer those questions. And the reason
being is because don't. I'm not gonna answer for that man.
I've learned a long time ago you stop answering for
other grown men. But I do think that there is
a question that all three of you all are questions
(12:24):
that all three of you all can sit down because
I have beef. I sit down here and told you
what type of person Eric Adams was. I told you
he was terrible.
Speaker 11 (12:31):
Nothing. He was in a good mayor.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It's probably one of the worst big city mayors we've
ever had, right, and that kind of came to fruition.
Speaker 11 (12:36):
But I think that you should have to be able.
Speaker 10 (12:39):
To hold you Adam in the new book already text me,
I told you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What did you say about Eric Adams early on.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
That you didn't like that nobody else seen.
Speaker 14 (12:50):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I just told you he was unethical, and I told
you there was no reason for mayor to actually govern
the city between the hours of eleven and three am.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Statement.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean that things mayors do between that time
that connecting the people.
Speaker 12 (13:06):
But especially I'm not going to okay for Eric Adams.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We're not talking about emergencies we talked about. We talk
about this dude hang out more than charm.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
To meet people where they are.
Speaker 12 (13:19):
And so to the extent that his extension of the
mayor's office meant being at a club at a certain
hour and people knew that their mayor was there, and
maybe they raked about something that got the man gage.
That'd be something I don't know that to be true.
Leadership though, has to be part qualified by your willingness
to walk into the fire, especially when your life is
in the fire every single day. The other thing is
(13:40):
is what got us, what got us to this point
won't get us to the next point. So people think, okay,
if Democrats are, you know, with a resistance with this,
but you may be that, but that doesn't win you
the House of Representatives coming the terms or the presidency
next unless you are bringing something that people can approach,
be inspired by, and also a plan to look forward to,
(14:05):
look forward to.
Speaker 11 (14:06):
Say it may lose you New Jersey.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
We're not gonna lose New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I'm just saying though, But I'm just saying that that
type of complacency that you're discussing, we have to have
that urgency of now.
Speaker 12 (14:14):
But the thing is, I hate that we have to
be prescribed. It ought to be something in the blood
of anybody who serves to be who puts this in
themselves to lead people. Ought to have so much grit
and confidence, but also consciousness not to have to poll
test the moment we should be poll testing whether or
not it works for members to run for reelection without
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endorsing a Charlie Kirk resolution of honoring no if a
voter is asking me about whether I endorse that they're
not my voter to begin with, not to mention you
can resent and hate and to cry the death and
murder of a person without endorsing the harm that they
did during their living years, and that resolution went that direction.
The capitulation that took place there is costly not because
(14:58):
it's just Charlie Kirk. It's an example of what leadership
under Democrats looks like, which is we're willing to cave
on our most fundamental beliefs and throw our most important
constituency black people, black women, black male pilots who he
looks at and says whether or not they're qualified to
fly plane because the color of their skin. This is
the dudes you sign onto a resolution to honoring. If
(15:20):
I can't get you to fight for yourself, that's who
they are.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
For yourself, what do.
Speaker 10 (15:25):
You do for me?
Speaker 12 (15:26):
The biggest opposition to the Democrats returning to power are
the Democratic leaders themselves.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
I agree, are they are?
Speaker 9 (15:33):
I have a question for you guys.
Speaker 14 (15:34):
I can't because you guys, you hear are discussions. These
are the kind of discussions that we have on the show.
You guys have amassed this huge audience. You and I
have disagreed on my thoughts on people not being as
intellectually engaged. We're trying to reach massive amounts of audience,
massive people. What advice do you all give us? We debuted,
as you know, is the number one podcast across all
(15:55):
categories on Apple. But we're still trying to reach people.
Our numbers are growing, but just any insight from you all.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Let me answer that first.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The first thing I would say is is when you
guys always come up here, especially Ms Rye, I ask
as like you said earlier, as a as a third grader, right,
because that's happened though, come up. The reason I say
that is a lot of times we don't understand politics,
(16:26):
we don't understand law, and a lot of times people
listen to people online that they think are actually right,
but we realized that they were wrong. You know, So
we don't know if we're listening to somebody that's true,
that's right. How do we possibly say, okay, well we're
riding with them, or we understand it so we're angela.
I asked, so, break this down in this term. Don't
use all the political terms that you guys use. No
(16:47):
tell me how you would tell a third grader. Don't
expect me to know. Like if I tell you about
a car and I say it's a eight thirty M
three bbs, it's the seventeen is the lips?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
This you can play.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Looks like.
Speaker 14 (17:01):
People will say, oh, well the DLJ this morning and
the CBO is saying they can't afford that.
Speaker 9 (17:05):
Most people don't know what the CBO is.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
But when you break it down terms where you're trying
to teach me and not over me, it makes me
want I think you.
Speaker 12 (17:13):
Are assuming that politicians and politics wants to be explained
so that it's accessible The big trick behind it is
your goal is to keep people believing that they don't
have access, that this is too complicated, correct, so that
when they're doing the bullshit, you're not following it. You're
just assuming that this is the way it's supposed to go.
It's harder to hold people accountable when you're not sure
(17:35):
what you should be holding the accountable to do. So,
politicians deliberately cloud the water power I should say not
just politicians. Power attempts to look inaccessible, because if it's inaccessible,
then you don't have to worry about everyday.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Common man and woman holding you to account.
Speaker 12 (17:52):
That's why I think if folks are listening and they
feel like the language doesn't include them and that it
feels too complicated, just know that you're not alone, and
you're probably thinking the right thing because that's exactly what
they want you to think, and so your head's on
a swivel.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I think for me, it's trust.
Speaker 10 (18:09):
One thing I always say to myself, if you lie
to me about Democrats, then I won't believe you when
you tell me about Republicans. And I think that there's
too many Democrats that are still caping for the Democratic
Party when we the people can see that the Democratic
Party is on some bullshit. So I think when books
like The Original Sin come out are you know, one
hundred and seven Days by comm Lad, they're actually refreshing
because I'm like, oh, we weren't.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10 (18:31):
So I think that whenever you have people like yourselves
who are willing to go out there and you know,
speak truth to power about the party you represent, that
that holds a lot of weight with me.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I think for me, it's like youth. I actually was
talking about y'all.
Speaker 13 (18:44):
I went and spoke at this thing for Thurgood Marshall
Foundation and I met this young man. I can't remember
his name right now, but I met him and he
was telling me about a platform that he's created.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
And when he was.
Speaker 13 (18:56):
Talking to me, I'm like, are you into like, you know,
civil rights and like community and politics? And he was
like yeah, I could feel the passion. And he was
asking me what should he do And I was like,
do you follow Nato Van podcasts?
Speaker 4 (19:06):
And he was like I do.
Speaker 13 (19:08):
I watched him all the time, and he was saying
to me that he feels like what he's building right
now is so far from what you guys are doing.
And I was in my head, like, to be honest
with you, them kind of connecting with a person like
you opens him up to such a different audience because
he was so smart and like it reminded me of
talking to you guys. But he's a college senior, so
(19:29):
I think I don't know what that looks like for y'all. Know,
we were at Howard and like when Kamalo was the
presidential race was happening. Maybe it's like, you know, you
guys going to college campuses or something like that. But
I literally was talking to him and I was like,
I actually told him would connect Tom Lolo.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Yeah, but yeah, they're a producer.
Speaker 13 (19:48):
But when I was talking to him, I'm like, it
would be fire to see what a person like him
has built, merging what you guys are already doing, because
it takes it to a level where like now you
hear from like the youth and people that are like
he's entering the world thinking about all this stuff.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
And Lawrence has brought up a good point too, Like
we were reporting this one about how you know, turning
point USA blexit is going to all of these campuses
and I'm like yo, you can either ignore it or
you can choose to engage. Where's the organization on the
other side?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's right?
Speaker 14 (20:17):
That yeah, I say they should ignore it because it No,
that only helps them one.
Speaker 9 (20:24):
It gives them an audience that I don't think they deserve.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
They already have one.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
They already they have one on that side.
Speaker 14 (20:31):
I don't they have more of a conservative audience. I
take your point about where's the organization on the other side,
So I say, build something with better intentions. But turning point,
I don't think their intentions are really a good faith debate.
I think they are spreading misinformation and disinformation and trying
to provoke, like trying to provoke college students into into
having these virals.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
I think the problem that we have right now though,
is that sometimes because of our complacency and our being
like Democratic Party and the uote unquote youth or young
folk within the party. Because of the complacency and oftentimes
taking for granted these younger voters, taking for granted black
voters and voters who we normally just say will show
(21:11):
up for us, We've created this vacuum, right, We've created
this void that is there. And so when you have
a bleckxit going to a Hampton or Howard or Morehouse
or you know, Prairie View or wherever it may be,
or you know, meeting with the Black Student Union Atsissippi State. Yeah,
we all know that the organization, you know, when it
talks about issues like this, they're not really there talking
about issues that center us. We know it's a political ploy. However,
(21:35):
the vacuum will be filled with noise and there are
going to be people who are responsive to that noise.
So to Charlemagne's point, you know a lot of times
you just can't leave these truths. And this is what
you were saying. I do believe you can't leave these
truths to just be unattended, right, or not even truths
truth I would say these statements, these statements or whatever
they're doing to be unattended, because we've done that too long.
Speaker 15 (21:56):
But if you're thirsty, yes they will, and the students,
students and more House will show up simply because of
Because I am not a big proponent I hate cancel culture.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
I'm not a big proponent of not allowing people on
your campus. I'm not a big because I think that
I think that institutions of higher learning in particular have
to be these bastions of intellectual debate, right, But.
Speaker 14 (22:18):
It's not intellectual debate. These are white supremacists.
Speaker 11 (22:21):
I'm talking they.
Speaker 12 (22:22):
Can I just say more generally that they're not. If
people are thirsty, they will drink from miarrage even though
the water is not there, preach because somebody is, somebody's
telling them something. And my experience has been a lot
of young people, a lot of people in general, don't
have ideological lenses necessarily. They have things that happen in
their life, and they have ways in which they respond
to it. And the way for sure, but I have
(22:46):
to tell you a lot of folks were They weren't
carrying a Democrat or Republican flag. They had an issue
or a concern and they wanted to know how we
were going to speak to it. And if the only
person talking it's Charlie Kirk, you know, uh point. But
the larger conservative, right, if that's all that you're hearing
(23:06):
and you're not cinched, well in what the other argument
might be, they might have something.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And I think the most amazing thing you said is
that they're thirsty. I mean, so like when people talk
to me about Charlemagne. They talked to me about Charlemagne
all the time, and I say, the most amazing thing
about Charlemagne is he approaches things with this intellectual curiosity
and people are taken aback by it. But I'm like,
he's asking a question because of something he's gone through,
(23:31):
something he's seen, or something he's heard. And it's not
a place of condescension. It's not a place of disrespect.
It's like King Jeffries, explain to me because I am curious, Cius, Well,
I mean that's because they am beef curious. Yeah, just
but I mean it's like, explain to me x y z.
And it comes from a place of intellectual curiosity, which
breeds that thirst. And for far too long we've taken
(23:52):
this perch r position that yeah, okay, it's rooted in racism,
is rooted in ignorance. I won't go there with them.
And because I also so abscribe to your notion a
little bit that when you roll around with pigs, you
both get money and only the pig likes it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So what do you What did you think when like
Candice Owens came up here and some of those other
political views that don't necessarily align with our culture and
our people.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I mean, I'm glad that there was somebody there to
push back. Now there's a question of whether or not
you should have given her a platform such as this right,
I like, but but those are healthy debates, especially I.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Don't have access.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
How many of our people are already tapped into I agree
with that.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I'm gonna say something now because I let y'all talk
for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
But I'm just I just think this.
Speaker 7 (24:30):
I think it is important if you are going to
give room for the debate, that you challenge the lies.
And I'm not just saying you or y'all, I'm saying
all of us. I This is something that I have
disagreed vehemently with Tiff and Andrew about because I do
think we should put conservative voices on our show. I
don't think it should just be the people that we
like are cam mildly tolerate. I do think that we
(24:52):
should we should have folks on who aren't necessarily dangerous
or trying to be dangerous, but really believe not performing.
Not the ones that went to that line because it
was shorter, but the ones who really believed that, like
my dad's mentor. Arthur Fletcher was a black Republican. He
is a father of affirmative action. There were Republicans that
had a hell of a lot more sense than where
folks have now. But when they go unchecked and unchallenged, this.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Is where you end up.
Speaker 14 (25:14):
But there's a difference between conservative voices and the canvas
owns like I've never been opposed to conservative voices. I've
been opposed to performative people who are intentionally trafficking and
misinformation and disinformation and are gifted a platform right exactly
like I think there are honest brokers out there.
Speaker 10 (25:31):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I don't know her to say whether that's her honest
experience or not. I research into her background, research into
her background too, and just like everybody else, like there
was a point in time where I went to the
altar and got saved and my life was changed, right
like there, people have moments where they changed there.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
It could be a pivot because I.
Speaker 12 (25:52):
Think worth debating, because the thing that we keep denying
is that people are going to access what she has
to say anyway.
Speaker 9 (26:07):
People are listening listening to her.
Speaker 13 (26:12):
They like live and die by her, I promise you,
and I think to your point. I get what you're saying,
but it's like it's happening anyway. And when I'm talking
about the youth, I mean they thrive off of who's
on YouTube reacting TikTok. They might not come and find
you guys Native Land podcast, but they're going to end
up somehow getting some content from her. So I think
if there was something just as powerful there a conversation
(26:34):
with her and you guys, then you are funneled in.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
And it's just a part of the thing is this
stuff is paid for pao.
Speaker 9 (26:41):
But YouTube cannot be your only you know.
Speaker 14 (26:44):
I always say, like every piece of news is not
gonna come with a little hip hop dance on TikTok.
So I think we have to. I'm curious beause y'all
are STA presidents. I do think we have to challenge
our youth and our community and our people to take
some responsibility for your own intellectual curiosity and find reputable reputable.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I would disagree with sometimes too.
Speaker 13 (27:04):
I've seen outlets retract stories, especially in today's time, because
everything translated as hard as.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Trust.
Speaker 13 (27:13):
I think that one person is lean into them because
you don't know who's who's wrong. Sometimes they literally send
people to outlets that we also don't trust, like we
would say, we've talked on the on the on the podcast,
Oh go to Washington Posts.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
They just fired Karen Antia, Like there are news.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Outlets that are reputable that are still very harmful to
black culture.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
So there's that too.
Speaker 11 (27:33):
No, you're good.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I'm getting prepared for the show for the podcast, and
I hope you guys let me and Andrew talk a
little bit. I do think that there I do disagree
with Tiffany on this point. I think that we have
to meet people where they are, and right now we
are dealing with the generation that consumes news in ways
that we are not used to.
Speaker 9 (27:52):
Like.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It kind of makes us old understanding that, Yeah, they
get their news from TikTok, and I also realized they
like their news with the words on the screen. They
like to be able to read why they hear it right,
They want to actually be able to have a rhythm
to it or whatever it may be. That's just the
way they consume news. And I don't think you can
look down upon that. I think you have to adapt
to it or you become old. That's first and second looking.
Speaker 14 (28:12):
Down though, it's like can we challenge them to me
time and steal us from the col Hanna Jones, But
this is a time for reading. You can challenge everything,
cannot be a sixth.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You can challenge them. You can challenge them in their space.
But that's also let's going back to Candace Owens. The
reason I didn't have a problem with Candace owns here
is because you all appear to be prepped to push back.
And my the difference is when you have jd Vance,
When you have jd Vance interviewing the theovon interviewing jd
Vance like that, you can't even push back on the lies.
(28:43):
You can't push back on the untruth. It's like an
unfiltered misinformation, disinformation fire.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
Hose, just stuff coming to a proper candid So that's
my point.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I mean, I think Ben Shapiro is a good example too.
Speaker 10 (28:57):
You know, we had Ben Shapiro up here, and you
know we push back on things. But what people fail
to realize is the very next day we had medio
sign up here. So we let media sign push back
on the things that we say. So you got to
you gotta stay tuned every day like the news.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
A news network.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
Sure, I also think you have to condition it, making
sure feel this is your perspective from your experience. I
can't deny you what your experience is, but there is
a difference between what's true and what isn't true, what's
a fact and what's made up.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
Well, I will also say this one thing that I
love I love I love Abbey Phillips Show.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
And the reason I love Abbe Phillips.
Speaker 10 (29:29):
Show is because she'll have the conservatives on it, but
then you'll have you on too, and she'll have sellos
on right. And I love when Angela was on seeing
it because you need that, Like somebody said it in
here earlier. If you don't know what the truth is
and you hear something and it sounds good, you're just
gonna go with that. And if it justinchanged, but when
it's challenged, you like agree might have been right on that.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think I'm always a big proponent of the free
flow of information, and you have to be prepared to
check it or challenge it when it comes your way.
I don't think you can just shut the door to
it because because because unfortunately.
Speaker 14 (30:01):
That shit came through any like debating slavery, like to me,
you have to have a line at some point where
this is just nonsense, where this.
Speaker 12 (30:09):
Is not when the other side is now laying in
new bed and this idea that there were positives that
came from the experience, and you now have younger people
who are less connected to what slavery meant and our
struggle to overcome it, who are hearing these things, and
what does that do?
Speaker 6 (30:26):
Over time? It softens their defense.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Of the evil that slavery was, but it's not. But
if we don't go to them, then we can't challenge.
Speaker 10 (30:34):
And then when you got people like Kanye years ago
saying slavery was a choice, and you got a bunch
of niggas who swear they getting up with somebody, there's
no way.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Answer, and bless and bless it and bless it is
literally going to these campuses talking about building a foundation.
That's not that that's the antithesis to the roots laid
by the civil rights movement.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
That's like a fundamental tenet of it.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
This is this this other part because I've tried to
go in and just look at some of their rhetoric,
and there's something that says, like, you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Like you're not going to be a victim anymore.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
And I think that that rhetoric is resonant because there
are so many instances in our life, like right now
as they dismantle DEI. Whether you think DEI was most
effective or not, it protected some jobs, it created some jobs,
it created some opportunities.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So we are being victimized.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
So there's something very empowering, Like in this moment where
I've applied for three hundred jobs, let's say, and I
haven't been hired. I am feeling like I'm a victim,
but somebody's telling me there's a choice I can make
where I'm no longer going to be a victim. Now,
when they get in that room, they're going to realize
that that rhetoric is in all the way ALIGNE. But
there are some touch points where they're tapping into our
trigger points where it's like, Okay, maybe there's the space
(31:43):
for me that.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
You want to be hopeful.
Speaker 12 (31:45):
Yeah, but I want to be hopeful about a future
that they can have. We're not always clear that the
other side is selling us a bill of dreams and
am not leveling with us. And I completely regret to
relate to the not wanting to be a victim in
my own try and situations. I always kept telling myself,
I'm not a victim. I have choice here after even
in the moments where honestly, if I had interrogated it,
(32:07):
no I didn't. There was a thing, There was a
thing set in motion that began to happen, that began
to unravel, and no matter how skilled I thought, I
was at a thing that the conclusion was going to
be what it was, and unfortunately married you do not.
Speaker 11 (32:23):
I do not co.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Sign that statement.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
With us.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
I want to have a question about some of my
listeners have been really talking about NBA young boy, the.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Government shut down.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
Yeah, I'm asking a question, but I'm telling you, people
don't care whose fault is it.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
Is it Democrats or as Republicans.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
So I don't think you can answer that question that way.
So so the way I answer it is this, Democrats
are fighting in this country for you to have access
to quality healthcare.
Speaker 11 (32:55):
Period.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
People's premiums are about to go up in a couple
of weeks, and we're talking three hundred times the amount
that you're going to pay for insurance. The number of
people who are going to be kicked off of Medicaid
is fifteen twelve to fifteen million, So you're not going
to be able to get care, and then the places
that you go to get care are shutting down. We're
not even talking about planned parenthoods. We're talking about community
centers like the one and Oh Claire. They shut down
(33:18):
six centers in South Carolina. And so the battle that
Democrats are waging right now is, look, we think that
we should have access to quality care, and Republicans can
stop the shutdown if they come to the table and
simply vote to extend those ACA subsidies.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
Point your Republicans fought, well, he's not trying to say
it that way. And I think that part of the
reason why is because well, this is my argument.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
I'm going to put this on you. It's too little,
too late.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
So people have watched, as you would say, Democrats capitulate
over and over and over again, and now it's like,
now is the time to stand our ground. But where
was the time to stand the ground when the big
ugly bill was getting passed. Where was the time to
stand around on the Charlie Kirk resolution just two weeks ago?
When was the time to stand your ground when you
could have at least pushed back in terms of rhetoric
and what you're saying. And so people are just like
(34:02):
it's a fight, but it ain't with the right weapons,
and premiums are still going to go up.
Speaker 12 (34:07):
But to charlemage your point, people are not gonna What
Republicans successfully did is they delayed much of them. They
attempted to delay much of the impacts of the legislation.
So they passed a bill that transferred one trillion dollars
from working people in this country, largest wealth transfer in
the history of America, and took that one trillion and
gave it away to the wealthiest one percent minus of
(34:31):
Americans in this country who didn't ask what and don't
deserve it.
Speaker 11 (34:33):
And Trump just gave twenty billion in Argentina.
Speaker 12 (34:35):
So again these but the but, but American citizens are
not experiencing it in real time. The consequences for those
decisions are delayed, and they're delayed by deliberations.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Some Americans because federal workers.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
You guys are talking.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
I was just saying, there's two different conversations happening. He's
talking about the July Bill, you're talking about the shutdown.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
So the problem they're connected.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
They are.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
The July Bill set the framework for those subsidies to
go out of what to be retired. Democrats are saying,
y'all did a hell of a lot of damage, and
now all we're asking you to just repair some of
the harm just a little bit, but making sure that
the people who have insurance today and are paying lower
premiums today can continue to do that tomorrow. And you
can do that by simply reinstating the incentives that came
(35:20):
through Obamacare. They can make that decision. They're choosing to
continue to give the wealthiest one a trillion dollars, steal
it from you and make you pay three hundred percent
more than what you're paying today and your health suppsett.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
And meanwhile, it's seven hundred thousand government workers who have
been furloughed and they don't know if they're ever going
to get paid.
Speaker 14 (35:40):
That's that's wrong, that's against the law. He said, what
is the law exact this point?
Speaker 10 (35:46):
Yeah, so who I guess, Yeah, who's fauoted it? Because
people are calling them for this money.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
They don't care. They're like, they don't care if it's
Democrat Republican.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
But the math is the math. The math is the math.
Speaker 7 (35:57):
The people who have the power to pass bills in
congres is the Senate. The person who signs the bill
into law is a Republican in the White House named
Donald J.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Trump. What's the J stand for?
Speaker 11 (36:07):
I don't know, but John John.
Speaker 10 (36:09):
Because Democrats are taking credit for holding things up, because
they're taking the stand for.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
The healthcare well, because they need sixty votes in the Senate.
Speaker 12 (36:15):
Right, No, no, But the truth is is that when
Democrats were president and Republicans have the majority, Democrats were
able to get sixty percent majorities to keep the government open.
This is at the end of the day, in the
beginning of the day, the fault of the people who
have the power, the power right now resides and the
Republican president, the Republican Senate majority, and the Republican Speaker
of the House. So who's faulted in the Republicans is
the Republicans who have the majorities to make decisions. Democrats
(36:39):
are simply trying to be a stop gap.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
To Entrew's point, the last time we had a government
shut down was under Donald Trump.
Speaker 13 (36:50):
But even if you find fault right, because I think
this is why people accidentally end up over there on
the other side, because they feel like, all right, fault
goes back and forth.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
But action, where is action?
Speaker 6 (36:59):
Because it can be the Republicans.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
I'm gonna get my check.
Speaker 13 (37:01):
Yeah it's Donald Trump, but I'm still sitting here for
alow no job. So like, now what and y'all want
me to go vote? Y'all want me to do this,
y'all me to not listen to the name when we
thought he gave out checks, Like I think for me
as just like a regular person who doesn't buy into
a lot of this. It's like there's a revolving door
of we find fault. Something happens, one person tells you
it's better you vote for them. It messes up again.
It's like where does this end?
Speaker 11 (37:21):
Follow your truth?
Speaker 12 (37:22):
If your subsidies are going up, if you are out
of a job and you're a federal employee today, follow
what the truth is. It isn't mathema, this isn't rocket science.
The government is shut down because of the Republicans. Now,
I'm guessing that the average voter really doesn't care about.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Fault right now.
Speaker 12 (37:37):
They want to know how to get it back open.
Here's the simple way to get it back open. The
Senate and the House can agree to make sure that
Roorking people have access to healthcare without paying three hundred
percent more tomorrow than they did today. And when they
come to that conclusion, the President can sign it in
the law, and the Republicans can open the government.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Can open up government right now they have literally, I mean,
it's that easy. And so what what I've been And
that's that's why I didn't answer Charlemagne's question with a
Demo or a Republican.
Speaker 11 (38:05):
The answer is very easy.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I mean, if we wanted to open up government, then
Republicans come back. They first of all, they went home,
come back to DC, sit in the room with Democrats,
say we're going to extend these subsidies. Let's figure out
what that looks like, and then boom.
Speaker 12 (38:17):
But Trump and the rovers are playing in our face
completely because they're telling us that it's the Democrats when
the truth is is that they are incentivized to keep
the government closed. The President doesn't want checks and balances,
The government doesn't want uh auditor generals in these departments
checking their behavior.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Shut down the.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Way they just made your boy, your friend herschel Walker,
he's the ambassador to the Bahamas now the hershel Man Ambassador.
Speaker 11 (38:48):
Ambassador Walker but again.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
There as Miche Bahamas bah.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
He signed it out.
Speaker 9 (39:08):
Your points.
Speaker 14 (39:10):
The people who get food stamps, snap benefits, they are suffering.
Speaker 9 (39:14):
They're going to go down significantly.
Speaker 14 (39:16):
The people who travel, right, people the airlines, if you're
planning on traveling, they're gonna suffer. A team we saw
routinely air traffic controllers who make sure we don't crash.
They started calling out sick because they were not getting paid,
and now he's threatening their back pay, a wick, women,
infinite children. Those benefits are going to go down. These
programs impact black people, they disproportionately impact white people. So
(39:37):
I think I get your point. It doesn't matter whose
fault it is. Somewhere somewhat right now, someone's driving to work,
uh at a job that they still have, figuring out
how they're going to pay their mortgage, how they're going
to take care of their kids, and they don't care
whose fault it is.
Speaker 9 (39:49):
They just want to make it.
Speaker 10 (39:50):
Just stop politicizing people's pain. I think that's what people
that's what people be calling. I'm saying, like, I don't
care who did what.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
I want my check right.
Speaker 12 (39:58):
Donald Trump put on governments, reverse on government websites and
Democrats shut down that there's no there are no equals here.
The Republicans and the Democrats are not equal in the
way they're approaching this. Donald Trump knows that he is
causing an exacting pain. He is using our taxpayer dollars
to then blame one political party over another, and all
the while he is sitting high being able to rule
(40:19):
his country by fiat right, so the incentives appear perverse.
A president usually wants to take care of all Americans.
This guy doesn't care about all Americans. And he's made
it clear every single opportunity he's given.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Yes and he said he don't. He don't think everybody
should get back pay.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Of course he don't.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's literally the point.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
This seven hundred thousand plus worker or worker number that
that have been furloughed, they are debating right now whether
they will get back back.
Speaker 14 (40:51):
And government contractors who are not even included in that number,
they won't get back pay.
Speaker 9 (40:54):
They're just they're just out.
Speaker 12 (40:56):
And basically, the largest employer in the entire United States,
being the United States government, has decided not to pay
the largest set of workers in the United States of
America and are then impacting it on all of us,
because these are the people we need for the services
that we all rely on.
Speaker 7 (41:12):
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to subscribed to Native lampid. I follow us at Native
lampod and I just want to say, this is going
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Speaker 7 (41:33):
How do you on subsect It's a website and they
have an app as well, sub Sect.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
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Speaker 10 (41:39):
I love the Nata lamp podcasts. I love the discussions.
But always tell Angela, Andrew always like lands the plane.
I'm sitting here, y'all be like, he always lands plane
the right way, Like, oh, okay.
Speaker 9 (41:49):
I get it that I was getting.
Speaker 14 (41:50):
Seriously, when you were talking, I was getting goosebumps and
a little sad because I'm like, this man should have
been the governor of Florida. And most of our comments
are always like when is Andrew running again?
Speaker 11 (41:59):
I agree?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, and I agree. I don't
know what you're waiting on to get back into. I
really don't.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Well, but car gotta go to the NBA. Young but first.
Speaker 11 (42:12):
I'm learning the sound. That's my jams, he said.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
That's how you know you're gonna run again one day.
Got nodiness that a young boy.
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