INTERVIEW: Dr. Alfiee On Creating Safe Spaces For Mental Health Conversations, Youth Outreach + More
October 15, 2025 • 25 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, since the world's most dangerous moning to show to
Breakfast Club. Charlamage and God Jess Hilarious. DJ NBA is
out today, but we have a special guest, my partner,
doctor Alfie Breeland Noble.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Good morning, doctor, Alfare how you feeling. I'm good. I'm good.
I'm here with y'all. What could be better?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Absolutely, we just had another successful mental Wealth export.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, it was a fifth, fifth annual. It was awesome.
It was such a wonderful I'm gonna tell you this, Newark.
I love Newark. That audience, girl, the energy, they were
like locked in and they were paying attention and they
were responsive and they were just so kind and so
I loved that we were in Newark and that we
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went there this year. The venue was fantastic, New Jersey
Institute of Technology. Everybody there was really cool. So it
was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah. What are some of the things that you took away?
Like the people open up to you about certain things.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They always do. Like I ended up with like a
line of people because I think people be trying to
get free therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think what
I learned was that there's so much need out there,
and I learned a lot. My son was on stage
at one point. I learned a lot from Jason Wilson.
I learned a lot from a lot of the different
people who were on stage. But I think the main
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thing I learned was that Black people actually do want healing.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
People act like we just out here wilding and like
we don't care about our mental health and we don't
care to take care of ourselves, but we do, like,
you know, and everybody's not on this hustle grind, push through,
you know, at all cost type of culture. So what
I feel like I saw in people was a real
hunger and desire to get tools to help them with
their mental health. I also learned, I mean I knew this,
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but the people love Charlotmagne and they really appreciate and
respect what he's trying to do with putting these resources
out into the community and talking about his own mental health.
And I think the final thing I learned is that
was just reinforced for me, was how loving Black people are.
We are some loving wealth people, and I just felt
so much positive energy at that event. Met so many
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wonderful people whom I hadn't met before whom I admired
from Afar. And I have to say this, Deontay Wilder
is the nicest. That brother is a sweetheart. He was
just a doll. And so it was really wonderful to
be able to be in that space and have people
come donate their time to us and take care of people.
And again the Newark folks shouts out to Newark because
those are some good people.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I love Newark, man. You know, my father lived
in Newark for many, many, many years. Oh yeah, I
got a lot of family in Newark who thought them
Kelvy's in Newark. But the interesting thing about Deontae, well
two things. I feel like the Mental Health Expo is
a is a safe space, right and I think it's
more important now than ever for black people to create
spaces where we can feel safe. Yes, where we can
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you know, experience joy and where we can be informed.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And man, when you see Deontay Wilder sit on that
stage and open up like this is the former heavyweight
champion of the world literally knocks people out for a living.
For him to open up and you know, talk about
you know, his experiences and the things that he's been
through and you know how hurt and betrayed you know,
he's felt throughout his life, and how vulnerable he's how
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vulnerable he was. That was man that let a lot
of people, that a lot a lot of people let
their guard down.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think so, and I, you know, I was just
so shocked by how open and transparent he was about
who's hurt him in his life. I heard him talk
about people who were close to him and his family,
and you know, you can see the pain in his
eyes about like having to walk through that terrain and
kind of figure that stuff out. And he's not alone,
right because I look at you all and what you've
been able to achieve in your lives, and I would
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never speculate, but I can only imagine how difficult it
would be to have the people who are closest to you.
You know, people got their hands out. You know, I
understand that, you know, some folks are struggling, but like
people don't sometimes give their loved ones the opportunity to
sort of own their power and be in their space
without wanting something. I'm not saying people always do that,
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but I would imagine and that what you really want
just be happy for me, you know what I'm saying, like,
be happy for me and support me and lift me
up and don't ask me for a whole bunch of stuff.
I mean, I get it, people need help, and I
think people like Deontay will probably are very open to
helping folks. But it's just the idea that some folks
don't get the opportunity to enjoy what they built because
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they're struggling with these things sort of pulling it there,
you know what I mean, And that duality is has
got to be hard. So I just really appreciate how
transparent he was so people can understand, Like I've heard
Mary J. Blige say this, just because we have a lot,
you know what I mean, doesn't mean that we don't
have struggles. And he was able to share that with people.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And it's a big responsibility to come with having a lot,
you know what I mean. Like I don't live the
same yas I used to. You know, I have more
kids than I used to. You know, I have a
whole nother life. You know that I'm working towards building
and then a lot of times all people like Deonce
and myself, yeah, you know, I guess you know, well,
one it's just call me and ask how I'm yep,
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because I'm not always okay yep, you know what I mean.
And although you know, I don't trust people enough to
just open up.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Also I don't really.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Have a lot of people that's like, oh you good, yep,
you are right, Oh you look down today?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What's up? Like you know? Like that matters? Yes. And
so when you say.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It reminded you Saturday that black people are the most
loving people. We are, we really are, and a lot
of times were standing our own way of that too.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That's such a good point. Like I love that you
said sometimes you just want somebody to check on you.
It can't always be that people like you all are
out here in the public eye and everybody's eyes are
focused on you, and the assumption is that you don't struggle,
or that you don't have things that you worry about,
you know what I mean, Or you don't have things
that you're trying to work through. And so the idea,
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particularly for us as sisters, the idea that we like
are the back when I feel like Atlas, I was
a classics miner in undergrad at Howard, like we got
the world on our backs and we just kind of
bent over and we're not you know what I mean.
And I think what that feeds is this notion that
we're not allowed to put stuff down and be vulnerable,
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allow ourselves to rest. Shouts out to the sister at
the NAP Ministry where she talks about rest is resistance,
and so I love that you brought up this point
of taking care of yourself. You didn't say it in
this way, but part of how you take care of
yourself is you look for those spaces and look for
those people who gonna check in on you. That's where
you get to like let your hair down a little bit.
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That's where you get to not be just with the mess.
And my news is real. I told you I was
a fan.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You get to put that down like you deserve to
put that down too. And I love watching you and
your little boy, the oldest one on socials and it
just tickles me because he's the life on He's adorable,
but he needs to see mommy have some rest in
peace too, because that teaches him how to treat the
women in his life as he grows up. Yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You mentioned how And recently Kamala Harris said losing the
election caused her to grieve in a way that was
similar to the way she grieved the loss of her mother.
Can can you speak to what that might have meant
from a clinical perspective, because.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
People act like they hear like what you mean, Like losing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The election felt like your mother died, Like as if
the two couldn't both be you know, impactful to cause
that level of grief.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah. When I think about grief, you know, people have
different theories. There's seven stages of grief. There's five stages
of grief. Grief is really just our way. Her and
the actor I think his name was, Andrew Garfield play
Spider Man say once that grief is just your way
of expressing all the love that you have for someone
that you didn't get to express when they were alive.
And I was like, ooh, that's like hit me in
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the heart. And I think the idea of grief is
really just processing loss, right. Loss is not just a
human Loss can be anything. Loss can be a relationship,
loss can be you know, losing a love. When I
lost my mom, actually nineteen years ago to about a
month ago, it was nineteen years and my sorority sister
and my fellow hu By one day, I'm we'll meet
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that sister. I love big sister, General Kamala Harris. And
I think if you think about what she put into
one hundred and seven days, right when you think about
what she had to endure, the things that she was
not allowed to say, the ways in which she was
not permitted to be her full self because she was
running for office, you know, I think when you think
about carrying all of that, that is heavy. And to
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go through all of that at the highest level on
an international stage with all these eyes on you, and
then to lose to who she lost to in the
way that she lost. We're just gonna keep it real.
That's heavy and that's hard. And so I can actually
understand her grieving that because that's the chapter of her
life that she was thrust into that maybe she wasn't
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expecting and she has to put that down. And so
anytime you have to put something down like that, we
should anticipate that that separation, that that void is going
to be there. And that's what grief is. It is
processing and making sense of what did I lose, how
did I lose it? And what am I going to
fill that space in my heart with now that that
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is going. So it makes total sense to me that
she would say that, what.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
What a mental health What do you think?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do you think mental health initiatives are being adequately funded?
Because I noticed this weekend, you know, we had the
Mental Health Flexible, but I saw like, you know, two
or three other events going on. I know, and that's
great because you was World Mental Health theyre Friday Roger
Pinson Aravant going on and what was the other ones?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You went to? Project Healthy Minds had an event and
I was at with Kate Spade for World Mental Health
Day Women's Mental Health.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Which I think is great that all these different events
are happening. But do you think mental health initiatives are
being adequately funded?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No? Absolutely not, because you have too many people out
there who don't have access to care. And what people
will always argue is that it's money. Some of it
is money, but some of it is we don't have
enough providers who look like us. Right I'm talking about
black folks right now? Are the people of color to
allow people to look online or to get a recommendation
and to know instantly that they're gonna sit down with
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somebody who gets them right. So we're not funded in
terms of providers. We're not for you know, shar I'm
always talking about the research. We don't have near enough
money to do the research that needs to be done.
You know, we just don't have enough facilities to take
people in. And I think about impatient facilities for people
who really need care, even if it's short term care
or long term care, there are not enough facilities around.
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And then when you think about you know, one of
the latest things is defunding of special education. Yes, right,
and so those young people with behavioral health and educational needs,
those young people are not gonna get what they need.
So in so many ways, we don't have anywhere near
enough funding going towards some of the most vulnerable populations.
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And when I say vulnerable, I'm not just talking about
black folks. I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about
different aspects like having a disability, like having a mental illness,
having a severe and persistent mental illness, like Corey Minor
Smith always talks about loving someone who might have schizophreny.
I heard y'all earlier or you know, I said, you
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said it right, right, But you know, we don't have
what we need to ensure. I also think about people
who may have made a suicide attempt and have to
be hospitalized, particularly young people. They're not enough beds to
go around for those young folks to get what they need.
So no, we absolutely don't have adequate funding for mental
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health initiatives.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So what's your people do? Then? How do we get
the money?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think, well, one thing I think people have to
do is people have to people who have the means,
even if all you have is five dollars five cent,
you know. And I think about the Mental Wealth Alliance
and what you set out to do with train, treat
and teach. You want to get people the help that
they need. But you can't do that if you don't
have money. You don't have funding. So what I want
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people to do is to go to organizations like the
Mental Wealth Alliance online, go to the website, go to
the donate page, and give what you can. But it
has to happen consistently. One thing we try to teach
people is, you know, everybody loves coffee. I'm not gonna
call no coffee company's name, because it's one that y'all
like up here in New York. I don't like it,
but I ain't gonna say not gonna want to beat
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me up. But instead of having coffee five days a week,
skip one of them five dollar coffees and take that
money and donate it to an organization like the Mental
Wealth Alliance who's putting in the work. I think it's
also about advocacy. We have to have people out here
who are writing to their you know, representatives at the local, regional, state,
and federal level and saying we need you to invest
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in our young people, in older people in our communities
to support. And then the final thing is, you know,
when I think about youth and adolescent mental health, only
about one and a half to two percent of all
funding that goes to everything in the nonprofit space goes
to their mental health. Funding for mental health overall is
a very small percentage of where money goes because of stigma.
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So I think part of it is with what we
do with the Mental Health Alliance and similar organizations. The
goal is to help people understand. I heard somebody say
the other day, if you break your leg, you have diabetes,
God forbid. If you have you know, hopefully it's a
benign tumor. If you have something that's impacting you. You
don't ask to wait, or you're not asked to wait
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to get that treated. It's the same thing with mental health.
We shouldn't ask people to put off taking care of
their mental health because there's not access, there's not money,
there's not availability of providers. And so if each of
us can do just a little bit right, and part
of my mission with the work that I do is
to try to put money in organizations to help them
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get the resources that they need to do the work.
But it can't be one person, it can't be just
a few people. It takes all of us.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You talked about the youth. You wrote something called the
State of Mental Health for Youth and Young Adults twenty
twenty five sport. What was that about?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, so the State of Mental Health of Youth and
Young Adults for twenty twenty five is is a second
iteration of a study. I am a researcher at heart.
My deepest belief is that every young person deserves to
feel seen, heard in value. When I say young people,
and I'm basically talk about anybody under thirty, because I'm old,
I'm gen X. And with our work, what we try
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to do is we're trying to fill in a gap. Right,
So people will say, well, why you're only focus on
young people of color, Well, primarily because most of the
data that's out there, we're represented but in these tiny
little bits. So it's really hard to talk about what's
going on with black youth, what's going on with Asian youth,
what's going on with Native Hawaiian or Latino Latina youth,
or you know, what's going on with the or Native
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American youth. We're in Indigenous people's day, but we don't
know enough about young people in these communities about their
mental health, what takes away from their mental health, what
do their symptoms look like, What kind of supports do
they have available to them that have nothing to do
with going to mental health care? What other kind of
support do you have. If we don't ask, we don't know.
If we don't know, we can't find solutions to help
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our young people. So our goal is to fill that
gap and to make sure that we're bringing in data
from all different kinds of young people, including right, because
when we talk about young people of color, we're also
talking about all of their identities, right, So whether they
have a disability or not whether they might be lesbian, transgender,
you know, non gender conforming part of the LGBTQAI plus community.
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We want to know what all of their experiences are
like because all of us, as doctor David John says,
all of us got a rise together. When I'm talking
about black people, I'm talking about all of us. So
our data was designed this year. We had close to
nine thousand people young people participating in our survey. It
was fantastic, thank you, and we learned a lot. We
learned about what kind of supports do they have. A
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lot of our young people still go to their peers,
their friends, and their family members as a first line
of defense. We learned about what through different signs and
symptoms look like. We learned things like over fifty percent
of the young people in our survey experience symptoms regularly
experience moderate to severe symptoms of depression, moderate to severe
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symptoms of anxiety. Our young people are dealing with racial trauma.
So what we're trying to do with the e Comma
Project and with this study is put information out there
that everybody can digest. So I encourage people to go
to our website at a COMA Project Research briefs, plain language.
Anybody can understand it. We have beautiful graphics and we
have infographics so you can see, for people of your
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racial ethnic group, how does what you're struggling with align
with what other people of different ethnic groups are struggling with.
And the goal is for any young person, like your
little boy or like you're young ladies, for anybody or
my kids to be able to go to a website
and say, oh, I'm not alone. There are other people
who are dealing with this stuff too. So that's what
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that's about.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Speaking of being a loan one thing that I find
interested in this study is you said you found that
young people find themselves negatively impacted by epic levels of
loans and isolation. Yes, that was so interesting to me
because we live in this world where everybody seems so connected.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, you got all of these meaningless connections with us.
What it is, that's one hundred percent what it is.
It is the illusion of connection, right. The idea is,
think about how we interact so many of us. I
was yesterday when I was with my kids. We were
at brunch at this really wonderful place, and at one
point I look up and everybody's heads in their phone, right,
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So you're at the table together, but you're not interacting
with each other. So I'm not knocking it. I'm just
saying that these are the kind of spaces that young
people are coming up in. When I'm out and about,
Like yesterday was the Hispanic Latino Heritage Parade. I saw
so many little babies and strollers looking at devices. Yeah,
looking at tablets. I mean I did it too, Like
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sometimes you just want to, like you need some pieces,
so you get a baby to think so they're focused.
But I think it does create the illusion. I think
the other thing is fear of missing out. Everybody talks
about foam moll So you see people online, you know,
and I always tell people you got to remember that
stuff is curated. They're picking the best bits. They're not
showing you how lonely they were ten minutes before. They
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just got themselves together, put on a whole bunch of makeup,
they got their gear tight and went to that party.
And maybe the whole time they were at that party,
when they weren't taking pictures, they were standing in the
corner by themselves on the phone or on the phone, right,
And so like the loneliness epidemic I think comes from
a number of different spaces. I think too many of
our young people don't are not taught, think about the
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pandemic when they lost the opportunity to learn the skills
that we learned. I've heard you talk about your educational experience.
I grew up like that too. You lose the opportunity
to be in community physically, to learn how to go
sit down with somebody at the lunch table, how to
start a conversation, how to read social cues and know
when it's time to back up, do you know what
I mean? How to deal with conflict. And if you
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don't learn those skills, I think what a lot of
us do, of any age, is we shrink, We don't try,
and that contributes to the loneliness epidemic as well. So
we're looking at all these people doing all this cool stuff,
and we're thinking to ourselves, I must not be cool
because I'm not doing this stuff, you know what I mean?
And so all of those kinds of things really make
it hard for our young people to sort of get
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themselves out of being isolated and stuck, and that loneliness
just kind of sets.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
In, and young people also feel like everything's supposed to happen.
Right now, everything is microwave where everything is instant, you know,
hence Instagram. Everything is just supposed to happen. And honestly,
people lose their confidence, you know, when they feel like
they can't keep up with their favorite stream or their
favorite influencer. You know that That's something that I'm still
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trying to figure out how to not keep away from
my son, but like curated in a way where it's like, yo,
you picked us up when you just don't have nothing
to do, you know other than that go throw a
ball side because he loves football and he used to
love being online with me a lot more, but as
he grew up, he was like, nah, I'm but I that,
like he don't always be trying to, you know, be online,
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figure out what the latest trend is or you know,
rage baking.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
All that stuff is.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The Internet is like a gift in a curse, you know, yes,
but nowadays it just feels like more of a curse.
So I'm just trying to figure out ways where I
can keep him from it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
But I feel like, but what you've described lets me know,
as a person who works with parents and families in
the past, did something right right because the fact that
he feels comfortable pulling away from it and communicating to you, now,
I'm good, I don't want to do that, and you
accept that and receive that because you know a lot
of folks out here. I have seen all these documentaries
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they're forcing these kids all the time. The kid is
the content, you know what I'm saying, And so the
kid is the money maker. And so you know, whatever
you're doing, lean into that more because you're doing something right.
And I bet I'm not to put you on the spot,
but I bet at some point if you share with
people here's how I've approached this with my child, You're
giving them ideas because a lot people struggle with that
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they don't know. And one of the things we did,
which I got, I'm gonna be honest from this. Back
when Oprah had still had a show, I watched Brocko
Michelle Obama talk about screen time and how they limited
and that was the first time I'd ever heard that.
And their thing that they said was during the week,
no screens, And me and my husband we were like,
what what you mean no screens? How you do that?
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But we did it, and both of our kids ended
up being class valedictorians. So it's like you, you talked
about how smart you were and how well you did
in school. So I think there's something to be said
for when you hear these great ideas from people, figure
out what might work for your family. Maybe you have
to tweak it, but I think it really is about
being active consumers and being active, like you're saying, managers
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of what happens with social media and those screens with
our children, we cannot leave it to them to figure
it out. It's our job as caregivers to help them
navigate it. We do that in our house.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
No screens during the weeks and on the weekend you
get a certain amount of it should be like.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
A treat it is.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, people to me, you use it as a like
a tool to keep the babies occupying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I'm gonna tell you one thing Jason Wilson told
me over the weekend. I never heard of it. Have
y'all heard of this thing? The brick break your phone?
So okay, I'll tell you real quickly. It's a little device.
You you know, the device stays in your home in
one location. You set the device. I'm being really crude
with it where certain apps you disable them with the bricks.
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So it's like you touch your phone to the brick
and those apps are disabled. So maybe like Instagram or
TikTok or something like that, right then you leave, when
you leave the house, the only way you can re
engage those is by touching the brick. That so if
you're gone, you can't engage with the app because that
makes it it's locked. You're locked out of it essentially.
And he told me that. I was like, oh, I
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love that because it reduces the temptation that like, yeah,
break your phone, it reduces the temptation to turn it
back on. I thought that was fantastic. I don't have
to try that. Yeah, even even for me, I need that. Yeah,
I need that on the phone.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You ever be scrolling and you like, all right, I'm
gonna just it'll be four forty four. YEA gonna do
this till five o'clock. You look up and it's six o'clocks.
It's like, yo, I could have done so much in
that hour, Yes, and you don't even realize.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, No, I did it. This morning. I was getting
ready to get over here, and I looked up. I
said ok, I gotta get dress because I gotta get
in the car because I won't be late. I looked
up forty five minutes to pass, and I'm like, oh God,
I gotta get all this stuff together right, and you
just lose track of time. So it happens to the
best of us. So something like that that forces you
love that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I know I would struggling a little bit because I'd
be hot. But how you turn this thing off? I
need an emergency off switch. But it would help me
because it would we trained, you know, help me. We
train my mind and my behaviors. I don't need to
be on IG all the time. You know I can
put I'm not a big TikTok fan, but you know
I can do something other than sit here and stare
at this phone and screw them all day.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah yeah, get bricked dot after the site, Uh doctor,
if you tell them how they can support the COMA
project and Mental Wealth Alliance.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, Mental Wealth Alliance. You're gonna go to Mental Wealth
Alliance all one word dot org. You're gonna get on
that page. You're gonna look for to donate, but and
you're gonna click donate and you're gonna give the Mental
Wealth Alliance some money or the a Coma Project a
A k IS and kite o m A project all
one word. You can do that go there and donate
to just check out the resources that we have there.
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You can follow obviously Charlemagne and the guys so you
can learn more about the Mental Wealth Alliance or follow
me doctor Alfie d R A L f I EE
on all socials like everywhere, and uh, we hope you'll
go donate to the Mental Wealth, the Mental Wealth Alliance.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. People always ask me, you know, Charlotmage,
how are you able to do you know, so many
different things, and always say because you have to have
a great team. And you know, doctor Alfre Breeland Noble,
she runs the Mental Wealth Alliance, she runs the Your
Coma Project, and she you know, helps put together the
Mental Wealth Expert every year along with iHeart and you
know everybody else. So thank you, Doc Daalfi.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You're welcome and shouts out to all the folks. iHeart
to you and everybody in New Jersey Institute of Technology.
That was a lot of work and I just really
appreciate everybody who put their time and effort in and
I got to shout out the kind people in Newark
for coming. We really appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Thank you, thank you, doctor Alfrey.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It's the Breakfast Club, Wake that ass up in the morning.
Breakfast Club,
Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, since the world's most dangerous moning to show to
Breakfast Club. Charlamage and God Jess Hilarious. DJ NBA is
out today, but we have a special guest, my partner,
doctor Alfie Breeland Noble.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Good morning, doctor, Alfare how you feeling. I'm good. I'm good.
I'm here with y'all. What could be better?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Absolutely, we just had another successful mental Wealth export.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, it was a fifth, fifth annual. It was awesome.
It was such a wonderful I'm gonna tell you this, Newark.
I love Newark. That audience, girl, the energy, they were
like locked in and they were paying attention and they
were responsive and they were just so kind and so
I loved that we were in Newark and that we
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went there this year. The venue was fantastic, New Jersey
Institute of Technology. Everybody there was really cool. So it
was fantastic.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah. What are some of the things that you took away?
Like the people open up to you about certain things.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They always do. Like I ended up with like a
line of people because I think people be trying to
get free therapy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think what
I learned was that there's so much need out there,
and I learned a lot. My son was on stage
at one point. I learned a lot from Jason Wilson.
I learned a lot from a lot of the different
people who were on stage. But I think the main
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thing I learned was that Black people actually do want healing.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
People act like we just out here wilding and like
we don't care about our mental health and we don't
care to take care of ourselves, but we do, like,
you know, and everybody's not on this hustle grind, push through,
you know, at all cost type of culture. So what
I feel like I saw in people was a real
hunger and desire to get tools to help them with
their mental health. I also learned, I mean I knew this,
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but the people love Charlotmagne and they really appreciate and
respect what he's trying to do with putting these resources
out into the community and talking about his own mental health.
And I think the final thing I learned is that
was just reinforced for me, was how loving Black people are.
We are some loving wealth people, and I just felt
so much positive energy at that event. Met so many
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wonderful people whom I hadn't met before whom I admired
from Afar. And I have to say this, Deontay Wilder
is the nicest. That brother is a sweetheart. He was
just a doll. And so it was really wonderful to
be able to be in that space and have people
come donate their time to us and take care of people.
And again the Newark folks shouts out to Newark because
those are some good people.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I love Newark, man. You know, my father lived
in Newark for many, many, many years. Oh yeah, I
got a lot of family in Newark who thought them
Kelvy's in Newark. But the interesting thing about Deontae, well
two things. I feel like the Mental Health Expo is
a is a safe space, right and I think it's
more important now than ever for black people to create
spaces where we can feel safe. Yes, where we can
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you know, experience joy and where we can be informed.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And man, when you see Deontay Wilder sit on that
stage and open up like this is the former heavyweight
champion of the world literally knocks people out for a living.
For him to open up and you know, talk about
you know, his experiences and the things that he's been
through and you know how hurt and betrayed you know,
he's felt throughout his life, and how vulnerable he's how
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vulnerable he was. That was man that let a lot
of people, that a lot a lot of people let
their guard down.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I think so, and I, you know, I was just
so shocked by how open and transparent he was about
who's hurt him in his life. I heard him talk
about people who were close to him and his family,
and you know, you can see the pain in his
eyes about like having to walk through that terrain and
kind of figure that stuff out. And he's not alone,
right because I look at you all and what you've
been able to achieve in your lives, and I would
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never speculate, but I can only imagine how difficult it
would be to have the people who are closest to you.
You know, people got their hands out. You know, I
understand that, you know, some folks are struggling, but like
people don't sometimes give their loved ones the opportunity to
sort of own their power and be in their space
without wanting something. I'm not saying people always do that,
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but I would imagine and that what you really want
just be happy for me, you know what I'm saying, like,
be happy for me and support me and lift me
up and don't ask me for a whole bunch of stuff.
I mean, I get it, people need help, and I
think people like Deontay will probably are very open to
helping folks. But it's just the idea that some folks
don't get the opportunity to enjoy what they built because
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they're struggling with these things sort of pulling it there,
you know what I mean, And that duality is has
got to be hard. So I just really appreciate how
transparent he was so people can understand, Like I've heard
Mary J. Blige say this, just because we have a lot,
you know what I mean, doesn't mean that we don't
have struggles. And he was able to share that with people.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And it's a big responsibility to come with having a lot,
you know what I mean. Like I don't live the
same yas I used to. You know, I have more
kids than I used to. You know, I have a
whole nother life. You know that I'm working towards building
and then a lot of times all people like Deonce
and myself, yeah, you know, I guess you know, well,
one it's just call me and ask how I'm yep,
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because I'm not always okay yep, you know what I mean.
And although you know, I don't trust people enough to
just open up.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Also I don't really.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Have a lot of people that's like, oh you good, yep,
you are right, Oh you look down today?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
What's up? Like you know? Like that matters? Yes. And
so when you say.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It reminded you Saturday that black people are the most
loving people. We are, we really are, and a lot
of times were standing our own way of that too.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
That's such a good point. Like I love that you
said sometimes you just want somebody to check on you.
It can't always be that people like you all are
out here in the public eye and everybody's eyes are
focused on you, and the assumption is that you don't struggle,
or that you don't have things that you worry about,
you know what I mean, Or you don't have things
that you're trying to work through. And so the idea,
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particularly for us as sisters, the idea that we like
are the back when I feel like Atlas, I was
a classics miner in undergrad at Howard, like we got
the world on our backs and we just kind of
bent over and we're not you know what I mean.
And I think what that feeds is this notion that
we're not allowed to put stuff down and be vulnerable,
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allow ourselves to rest. Shouts out to the sister at
the NAP Ministry where she talks about rest is resistance,
and so I love that you brought up this point
of taking care of yourself. You didn't say it in
this way, but part of how you take care of
yourself is you look for those spaces and look for
those people who gonna check in on you. That's where
you get to like let your hair down a little bit.
(06:29):
That's where you get to not be just with the mess.
And my news is real. I told you I was
a fan.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You get to put that down like you deserve to
put that down too. And I love watching you and
your little boy, the oldest one on socials and it
just tickles me because he's the life on He's adorable,
but he needs to see mommy have some rest in
peace too, because that teaches him how to treat the
women in his life as he grows up. Yeah, yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You mentioned how And recently Kamala Harris said losing the
election caused her to grieve in a way that was
similar to the way she grieved the loss of her mother.
Can can you speak to what that might have meant
from a clinical perspective, because.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
People act like they hear like what you mean, Like losing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
The election felt like your mother died, Like as if
the two couldn't both be you know, impactful to cause
that level of grief.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah. When I think about grief, you know, people have
different theories. There's seven stages of grief. There's five stages
of grief. Grief is really just our way. Her and
the actor I think his name was, Andrew Garfield play
Spider Man say once that grief is just your way
of expressing all the love that you have for someone
that you didn't get to express when they were alive.
And I was like, ooh, that's like hit me in
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the heart. And I think the idea of grief is
really just processing loss, right. Loss is not just a
human Loss can be anything. Loss can be a relationship,
loss can be you know, losing a love. When I
lost my mom, actually nineteen years ago to about a
month ago, it was nineteen years and my sorority sister
and my fellow hu By one day, I'm we'll meet
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that sister. I love big sister, General Kamala Harris. And
I think if you think about what she put into
one hundred and seven days, right when you think about
what she had to endure, the things that she was
not allowed to say, the ways in which she was
not permitted to be her full self because she was
running for office, you know, I think when you think
about carrying all of that, that is heavy. And to
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go through all of that at the highest level on
an international stage with all these eyes on you, and
then to lose to who she lost to in the
way that she lost. We're just gonna keep it real.
That's heavy and that's hard. And so I can actually
understand her grieving that because that's the chapter of her
life that she was thrust into that maybe she wasn't
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expecting and she has to put that down. And so
anytime you have to put something down like that, we
should anticipate that that separation, that that void is going
to be there. And that's what grief is. It is
processing and making sense of what did I lose, how
did I lose it? And what am I going to
fill that space in my heart with now that that
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is going. So it makes total sense to me that
she would say that, what.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
What a mental health What do you think?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Do you think mental health initiatives are being adequately funded?
Because I noticed this weekend, you know, we had the
Mental Health Flexible, but I saw like, you know, two
or three other events going on. I know, and that's
great because you was World Mental Health theyre Friday Roger
Pinson Aravant going on and what was the other ones?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You went to? Project Healthy Minds had an event and
I was at with Kate Spade for World Mental Health
Day Women's Mental Health.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Which I think is great that all these different events
are happening. But do you think mental health initiatives are
being adequately funded?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No? Absolutely not, because you have too many people out
there who don't have access to care. And what people
will always argue is that it's money. Some of it
is money, but some of it is we don't have
enough providers who look like us. Right I'm talking about
black folks right now? Are the people of color to
allow people to look online or to get a recommendation
and to know instantly that they're gonna sit down with
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somebody who gets them right. So we're not funded in
terms of providers. We're not for you know, shar I'm
always talking about the research. We don't have near enough
money to do the research that needs to be done.
You know, we just don't have enough facilities to take
people in. And I think about impatient facilities for people
who really need care, even if it's short term care
or long term care, there are not enough facilities around.
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And then when you think about you know, one of
the latest things is defunding of special education. Yes, right,
and so those young people with behavioral health and educational needs,
those young people are not gonna get what they need.
So in so many ways, we don't have anywhere near
enough funding going towards some of the most vulnerable populations.
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And when I say vulnerable, I'm not just talking about
black folks. I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about
different aspects like having a disability, like having a mental illness,
having a severe and persistent mental illness, like Corey Minor
Smith always talks about loving someone who might have schizophreny.
I heard y'all earlier or you know, I said, you
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said it right, right, But you know, we don't have
what we need to ensure. I also think about people
who may have made a suicide attempt and have to
be hospitalized, particularly young people. They're not enough beds to
go around for those young folks to get what they need.
So no, we absolutely don't have adequate funding for mental
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health initiatives.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So what's your people do? Then? How do we get
the money?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I think, well, one thing I think people have to
do is people have to people who have the means,
even if all you have is five dollars five cent,
you know. And I think about the Mental Wealth Alliance
and what you set out to do with train, treat
and teach. You want to get people the help that
they need. But you can't do that if you don't
have money. You don't have funding. So what I want
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people to do is to go to organizations like the
Mental Wealth Alliance online, go to the website, go to
the donate page, and give what you can. But it
has to happen consistently. One thing we try to teach
people is, you know, everybody loves coffee. I'm not gonna
call no coffee company's name, because it's one that y'all
like up here in New York. I don't like it,
but I ain't gonna say not gonna want to beat
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me up. But instead of having coffee five days a week,
skip one of them five dollar coffees and take that
money and donate it to an organization like the Mental
Wealth Alliance who's putting in the work. I think it's
also about advocacy. We have to have people out here
who are writing to their you know, representatives at the local, regional, state,
and federal level and saying we need you to invest
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in our young people, in older people in our communities
to support. And then the final thing is, you know,
when I think about youth and adolescent mental health, only
about one and a half to two percent of all
funding that goes to everything in the nonprofit space goes
to their mental health. Funding for mental health overall is
a very small percentage of where money goes because of stigma.
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So I think part of it is with what we
do with the Mental Health Alliance and similar organizations. The
goal is to help people understand. I heard somebody say
the other day, if you break your leg, you have diabetes,
God forbid. If you have you know, hopefully it's a
benign tumor. If you have something that's impacting you. You
don't ask to wait, or you're not asked to wait
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to get that treated. It's the same thing with mental health.
We shouldn't ask people to put off taking care of
their mental health because there's not access, there's not money,
there's not availability of providers. And so if each of
us can do just a little bit right, and part
of my mission with the work that I do is
to try to put money in organizations to help them
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get the resources that they need to do the work.
But it can't be one person, it can't be just
a few people. It takes all of us.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
You talked about the youth. You wrote something called the
State of Mental Health for Youth and Young Adults twenty
twenty five sport. What was that about?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, so the State of Mental Health of Youth and
Young Adults for twenty twenty five is is a second
iteration of a study. I am a researcher at heart.
My deepest belief is that every young person deserves to
feel seen, heard in value. When I say young people,
and I'm basically talk about anybody under thirty, because I'm old,
I'm gen X. And with our work, what we try
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to do is we're trying to fill in a gap. Right,
So people will say, well, why you're only focus on
young people of color, Well, primarily because most of the
data that's out there, we're represented but in these tiny
little bits. So it's really hard to talk about what's
going on with black youth, what's going on with Asian youth,
what's going on with Native Hawaiian or Latino Latina youth,
or you know, what's going on with the or Native
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American youth. We're in Indigenous people's day, but we don't
know enough about young people in these communities about their
mental health, what takes away from their mental health, what
do their symptoms look like, What kind of supports do
they have available to them that have nothing to do
with going to mental health care? What other kind of
support do you have. If we don't ask, we don't know.
If we don't know, we can't find solutions to help
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our young people. So our goal is to fill that
gap and to make sure that we're bringing in data
from all different kinds of young people, including right, because
when we talk about young people of color, we're also
talking about all of their identities, right, So whether they
have a disability or not whether they might be lesbian, transgender,
you know, non gender conforming part of the LGBTQAI plus community.
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We want to know what all of their experiences are
like because all of us, as doctor David John says,
all of us got a rise together. When I'm talking
about black people, I'm talking about all of us. So
our data was designed this year. We had close to
nine thousand people young people participating in our survey. It
was fantastic, thank you, and we learned a lot. We
learned about what kind of supports do they have. A
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lot of our young people still go to their peers,
their friends, and their family members as a first line
of defense. We learned about what through different signs and
symptoms look like. We learned things like over fifty percent
of the young people in our survey experience symptoms regularly
experience moderate to severe symptoms of depression, moderate to severe
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symptoms of anxiety. Our young people are dealing with racial trauma.
So what we're trying to do with the e Comma
Project and with this study is put information out there
that everybody can digest. So I encourage people to go
to our website at a COMA Project Research briefs, plain language.
Anybody can understand it. We have beautiful graphics and we
have infographics so you can see, for people of your
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racial ethnic group, how does what you're struggling with align
with what other people of different ethnic groups are struggling with.
And the goal is for any young person, like your
little boy or like you're young ladies, for anybody or
my kids to be able to go to a website
and say, oh, I'm not alone. There are other people
who are dealing with this stuff too. So that's what
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that's about.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Speaking of being a loan one thing that I find
interested in this study is you said you found that
young people find themselves negatively impacted by epic levels of
loans and isolation. Yes, that was so interesting to me
because we live in this world where everybody seems so connected.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yes, you got all of these meaningless connections with us.
What it is, that's one hundred percent what it is.
It is the illusion of connection, right. The idea is,
think about how we interact so many of us. I
was yesterday when I was with my kids. We were
at brunch at this really wonderful place, and at one
point I look up and everybody's heads in their phone, right,
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So you're at the table together, but you're not interacting
with each other. So I'm not knocking it. I'm just
saying that these are the kind of spaces that young
people are coming up in. When I'm out and about,
Like yesterday was the Hispanic Latino Heritage Parade. I saw
so many little babies and strollers looking at devices. Yeah,
looking at tablets. I mean I did it too, Like
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sometimes you just want to, like you need some pieces,
so you get a baby to think so they're focused.
But I think it does create the illusion. I think
the other thing is fear of missing out. Everybody talks
about foam moll So you see people online, you know,
and I always tell people you got to remember that
stuff is curated. They're picking the best bits. They're not
showing you how lonely they were ten minutes before. They
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just got themselves together, put on a whole bunch of makeup,
they got their gear tight and went to that party.
And maybe the whole time they were at that party,
when they weren't taking pictures, they were standing in the
corner by themselves on the phone or on the phone, right,
And so like the loneliness epidemic I think comes from
a number of different spaces. I think too many of
our young people don't are not taught, think about the
(18:30):
pandemic when they lost the opportunity to learn the skills
that we learned. I've heard you talk about your educational experience.
I grew up like that too. You lose the opportunity
to be in community physically, to learn how to go
sit down with somebody at the lunch table, how to
start a conversation, how to read social cues and know
when it's time to back up, do you know what
I mean? How to deal with conflict. And if you
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don't learn those skills, I think what a lot of
us do, of any age, is we shrink, We don't try,
and that contributes to the loneliness epidemic as well. So
we're looking at all these people doing all this cool stuff,
and we're thinking to ourselves, I must not be cool
because I'm not doing this stuff, you know what I mean?
And so all of those kinds of things really make
it hard for our young people to sort of get
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themselves out of being isolated and stuck, and that loneliness
just kind of sets.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
In, and young people also feel like everything's supposed to happen.
Right now, everything is microwave where everything is instant, you know,
hence Instagram. Everything is just supposed to happen. And honestly,
people lose their confidence, you know, when they feel like
they can't keep up with their favorite stream or their
favorite influencer. You know that That's something that I'm still
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trying to figure out how to not keep away from
my son, but like curated in a way where it's like, yo,
you picked us up when you just don't have nothing
to do, you know other than that go throw a
ball side because he loves football and he used to
love being online with me a lot more, but as
he grew up, he was like, nah, I'm but I that,
like he don't always be trying to, you know, be online,
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figure out what the latest trend is or you know,
rage baking.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
All that stuff is.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
The Internet is like a gift in a curse, you know, yes,
but nowadays it just feels like more of a curse.
So I'm just trying to figure out ways where I
can keep him from it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
But I feel like, but what you've described lets me know,
as a person who works with parents and families in
the past, did something right right because the fact that
he feels comfortable pulling away from it and communicating to you, now,
I'm good, I don't want to do that, and you
accept that and receive that because you know a lot
of folks out here. I have seen all these documentaries
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they're forcing these kids all the time. The kid is
the content, you know what I'm saying, And so the
kid is the money maker. And so you know, whatever
you're doing, lean into that more because you're doing something right.
And I bet I'm not to put you on the spot,
but I bet at some point if you share with
people here's how I've approached this with my child, You're
giving them ideas because a lot people struggle with that
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they don't know. And one of the things we did,
which I got, I'm gonna be honest from this. Back
when Oprah had still had a show, I watched Brocko
Michelle Obama talk about screen time and how they limited
and that was the first time I'd ever heard that.
And their thing that they said was during the week,
no screens, And me and my husband we were like,
what what you mean no screens? How you do that?
(21:21):
But we did it, and both of our kids ended
up being class valedictorians. So it's like you, you talked
about how smart you were and how well you did
in school. So I think there's something to be said
for when you hear these great ideas from people, figure
out what might work for your family. Maybe you have
to tweak it, but I think it really is about
being active consumers and being active, like you're saying, managers
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of what happens with social media and those screens with
our children, we cannot leave it to them to figure
it out. It's our job as caregivers to help them
navigate it. We do that in our house.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
No screens during the weeks and on the weekend you
get a certain amount of it should be like.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
A treat it is.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, people to me, you use it as a like
a tool to keep the babies occupying. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And I'm gonna tell you one thing Jason Wilson told
me over the weekend. I never heard of it. Have
y'all heard of this thing? The brick break your phone?
So okay, I'll tell you real quickly. It's a little device.
You you know, the device stays in your home in
one location. You set the device. I'm being really crude
with it where certain apps you disable them with the bricks.
(22:29):
So it's like you touch your phone to the brick
and those apps are disabled. So maybe like Instagram or
TikTok or something like that, right then you leave, when
you leave the house, the only way you can re
engage those is by touching the brick. That so if
you're gone, you can't engage with the app because that
makes it it's locked. You're locked out of it essentially.
And he told me that. I was like, oh, I
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love that because it reduces the temptation that like, yeah,
break your phone, it reduces the temptation to turn it
back on. I thought that was fantastic. I don't have
to try that. Yeah, even even for me, I need that. Yeah,
I need that on the phone.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
You ever be scrolling and you like, all right, I'm
gonna just it'll be four forty four. YEA gonna do
this till five o'clock. You look up and it's six o'clocks.
It's like, yo, I could have done so much in
that hour, Yes, and you don't even realize.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, No, I did it. This morning. I was getting
ready to get over here, and I looked up. I
said ok, I gotta get dress because I gotta get
in the car because I won't be late. I looked
up forty five minutes to pass, and I'm like, oh God,
I gotta get all this stuff together right, and you
just lose track of time. So it happens to the
best of us. So something like that that forces you
love that.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I know I would struggling a little bit because I'd
be hot. But how you turn this thing off? I
need an emergency off switch. But it would help me
because it would we trained, you know, help me. We
train my mind and my behaviors. I don't need to
be on IG all the time. You know I can
put I'm not a big TikTok fan, but you know
I can do something other than sit here and stare
at this phone and screw them all day.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah yeah, get bricked dot after the site, Uh doctor,
if you tell them how they can support the COMA
project and Mental Wealth Alliance.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, Mental Wealth Alliance. You're gonna go to Mental Wealth
Alliance all one word dot org. You're gonna get on
that page. You're gonna look for to donate, but and
you're gonna click donate and you're gonna give the Mental
Wealth Alliance some money or the a Coma Project a
A k IS and kite o m A project all
one word. You can do that go there and donate
to just check out the resources that we have there.
(24:23):
You can follow obviously Charlemagne and the guys so you
can learn more about the Mental Wealth Alliance or follow
me doctor Alfie d R A L f I EE
on all socials like everywhere, and uh, we hope you'll
go donate to the Mental Wealth, the Mental Wealth Alliance.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. People always ask me, you know, Charlotmage,
how are you able to do you know, so many
different things, and always say because you have to have
a great team. And you know, doctor Alfre Breeland Noble,
she runs the Mental Wealth Alliance, she runs the Your
Coma Project, and she you know, helps put together the
Mental Wealth Expert every year along with iHeart and you
know everybody else. So thank you, Doc Daalfi.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You're welcome and shouts out to all the folks. iHeart
to you and everybody in New Jersey Institute of Technology.
That was a lot of work and I just really
appreciate everybody who put their time and effort in and
I got to shout out the kind people in Newark
for coming. We really appreciate y'all.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Thank you, thank you, doctor Alfrey.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
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