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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day Breakfast Club, finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the God. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building. We are Pastor Mike Todd. Welcome back brother.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Family?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Y'all good today?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
How you feeling? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Brother? I feel great, man, y'all look good in here. Well,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Before we dive into anything, I do have a question
because they would make it fun of me, right, what's up?
I was speaking to a pastor and we were talking
about the celebration of Halloween.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, and we used to go all out as a family.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We used to do these videos and you know, make
it fun and right. We used to decorate the house.
And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a
good idea to go that far into it. She said,
I'm not going to tell you don't trick or treat,
but what you're doing might be a little too far.
I got you, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this,
especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday.
My thing is this is a season where the orgin
are very dark, demonic, let's say evil. There are specific
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things though that happen in our culture that I believe
can be redeemed. So I have little kids that actually
like dressing up, and if they dress up not on Halloween,
it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh, look at him,
he looks like a little princess or anything like that.
So what me and my family do is we use
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this opportunity to reach people with what we believe with faith,
We use this moment to bless people, to give to them,
to actually this is a time for people to actually
meet their neighbors. Do you know how many people live
in their neighborhood and never talk to their neighbors never.
Actually you drive by them, you look at their Christmas light,
but you never talk to them. So we use this
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as a moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite
them to church, we bless them with the best candy,
we actually talk to them and use it because all
things can actually work together for good. I definitely think
that there are some evil things that happen in this season. Also,
I think to the pure, all things are pure, and
there is something good that can come out of every situation.
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Also at the church, we do fall festivals and we
bring kids to the church and we we take something
that culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we
try to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy,
peace in the middle of it. And so I just
would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to
come together and not divine.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
You know, I don't think nobody is thinking about Halloween
as something evil. It's it's community, it's joy, like you said,
it's the giving of the candy. It's a bonding thing
with the family and the neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Like. I don't think nobody's looking at it.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Like now there are some evil stuff. Come on, now,
hold on, wait, I mean, first off, all of the
why are you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Gonna do that? Don't do it? And one day.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And when people do this all year round, yeah, one
day of.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
People pretending no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think I think that the hard movies are evil
to I think a lot of the origins of them
are a lot of the killing, a lot of the
evil spirits, a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot
of demonic activity, the seances, the Ouiji boards.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is
spiritual from darkness.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What about hip hop when you're playing the records about
people killing each.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Other, I think a lot of that is evil origin
as well.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Let's be honest, you're gonna stop playing those records.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
He grew up witness He was able to celebrate a
bunch of you know, a bunch of holidays, So I
got living out his little boy different. You don't even
look at it as a you know, I got you.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What are you about to say?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, I'm asking but one somebody, somebody will say that
it's more diving into demonic ways and worshiping the demon's worshiping.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You don't think that's you don't think you don't think
that music does that?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You worship it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Satan was in the Minister of music.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yes, sir, col do you worship it? You worship music?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Actually I love hip hop.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think that worship is a little different than hold on.
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Worship is a definite bowing down to something. Okay, So
let's be let's be very clear about that. And music
is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody
whatever you're listening to, there is something that can get
into your heart, your spirit, your mind, your soul that
will make you do things that is not what you
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would really want to do. It begins to show your
allegiance and to make idols of different things. And so
that's why music is so powerful. And I will say
I agree with you that the origins of a lot
of the music that is out and that we listen
to is from evil nature music Halloween.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh completely, But that's.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Why you have to have strong will.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
If you have your own you know what I'm saying,
You got strong will and then you won't be affected.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I will say that. I will say that a strong
will will get you so far. But there are things
that are more powerful than a will. There are decisions
that you can make to partner with certain things that
are stronger than your decison.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
How many people have said I ain't going back to
that dude and he called you at nighttime and you
end up in his bed.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Dangn hold on. I'm just trying to say.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
What I'm saying is how many times have we said
we're not gonna eat the donut and We're sitting there
with a box of Krispy Kremes. How many times have
we said so? Strong will is not always enough. I
really believe that you have to not just have strong will,
you actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are
accountable around you.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Because if you don't, you will end up.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think everybody listening and everybody in this room has
done stuff we had a strong will that we were
not gonna do. Yeah, for sure, And that's why I
think that we really have to put our faith in
something that's stronger than our strong will and have a
foundation that will never change.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And for me, that's car See.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Charlemage is the type of person you know you give
up cigarettes and he'd be like, but you're still But
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What I want to be comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So I'm not judging. I'm just saying, but also to it.
What what he failed to mention is I don't think
you can. I don't think you can do a little
bit of evil. So if you think something is wrong,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Do a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I got you, I'm saying, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So either you're gonna stop doing it all together.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Or you're still I'm just I'm just not diving into
the huge thing that I used to do before and
do these huge videos and decorations and productions. I'm not
doing that. If my kids wanted to dress up in
tricker treat with their friends, I'm cool with, but I'm not.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
We gotta celebrate this. This is progression, though, and not perfection.
And I think that everybody has to do that because
there will be the Charlotta Mayne's of this world that
always try to pick out what you're not doing. But
but I need I felt that that you need an
a man right there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I feel like that that's not the way that
people change. People don't fall into their vices all of
a sudden. They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's
doing something. It's then participating it all the time, and
it's becoming it.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
No, this is all of a sudden, because on Friday
he was telling us how you forgot his costume. He's
supposed to be damned that, and then all of a
sudden to break shout out everybody who celebrated Halloween.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is the transition is production. I'm not doing the production
and opening up my house to that envious I am
still go I still go out with my kids.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Don't let them do not let him or anybody else,
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Okay, it's it's but this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
The truth of the matter is all transitions and have
tension when you're trying to make a change, especially when
you have been something else.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You have to realize that people won't.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Understand your transition because a lot of times that transition
is supposed to happen in the dark.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's supposed to have a dark one. You have to
develop into that thing.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And because you guys, do everything in front of everybody,
and somebody can pull up what you said last week
or last year or last month and like you not that, Hey,
forget all of that for everybody that's listening in this
room right now and that's in here.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Progression is messy.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Because I was thinking and again and again, what I'm
going to tell you is progression and changing into who
God has created you to be is a messy process.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And sometimes you go back and forth. Sometimes you're trying
to figure it out. Sometimes you're trying to feel what's
real to you and what you actually have to do.
So I celebrate you in making the progression step. If
that's what you feel like you need.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
To do another question, though you know we did a
deep dive into it this week. That's my masking.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So when you speak to somebody that's like a medium, right,
and they're saying that they can see the afterlife or
in between, what's your thoughts on things like that that
come from it a negative place?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So we don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
The supernatural is very real. Absolutely, let me be very clear,
the supernatural is very real. But the Bible is very
clear too that the same people that were inspired and
empowered by God to actually make change. We can use
Moses and we can use Elijah who were calling down fire.
There were people in that time that were actually empowered
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by evil forces or by the devil. And so I
definitely believe that when somebody is channeling a different spirit
or talking to the future, my question is where's the source.
Is the source God, the God of the universe, the
God who created all things, the one who loves everybody,
or is the source something that is evil, demonic, perverted, twisted,
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And so I definitely believe all of it's real, and
I definitely believe that you can hear and see those
things through people, because there's too many signs of that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But the truth is, check the source. Would you would
you talk to a medium.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Not to find out anything. I would talk to him
to pray for him, because I already have access to
God and everybody has access to God through Jesus. So
the truth of the matter is a lot of times
these mediums, these sources, these people are cop outs for
actually talking to the head person. A lot of people
won't go to God because they think that he's ashamed
of them, or he hates them, or it's going to
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be like what religion did. And God is a loving
father that's waiting for his children to come home. And
it's like, why would you go talk to your uncle
when you can come talk to your dad.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah, and mediums actually talk to the spirit guides around you.
I don't think it's God.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And again, why would you go talk to an assistant
when you could talk to the CEO? And a lot
of people choose cheap cop outs because they feel like
that they have to present themselves a certain way. But
I just tell people like, I don't need anybody to
tell me what God's already told me. That's why even
prophets in the Bible. They're supposed to bring edification and
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conformation to what God's already talked to you about.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, I don't disagree with you passing my side, but
I hear a lot of people feel that way about Jesus.
And what I mean by that is they say, Jesus
is God's Son. So why do I have to talk
through the Son to talk to my Father?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because the Bible says that Jesus is the only way,
the truth and the life. The only way that you
can come to him is through the only way you
can tell me to the Father is through the Son.
Because he knew that we would not be able to
understand his ways.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The Bible says, It's ways are not our ways. Thoughts
is not our thoughts.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He's higher. So I'm gonna take myself the Trinity. Now
we're getting into a deep theological thing, but we get
into the Trinity and it's the Father, Son, and the
Holy Spirit all in one. And he said, I gotta
give my children something they can relate to. So I'm
gonna I'm going to wrap myself in humanity. I'm gonna
put on humanity, and I'm gonna come to the earth,
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and when I come to the earth, I'm gonna live
this life sinless for thirty three years. But I'm not
gonna do it without temptation. I'm gonna let all the
temptations that they would experience come. And because everything that
is redeemed has to have a sacrifice, I'm going to
become the sacrificial lamb for everybody. And all they gotta
do is believe that this was done for them, and
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they'll have access back to the Father. And what ends
up happening in that is all it is is in
acknowledgment that God did this for us. And when you
understand that, you really understand the love of God. Like
most people, you know, people going through all kinds of
stuff right now, and most people just don't know they're
loved like they were loved even before their parents had them.
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The Bible says, before you were in your mother's womb,
I knew you, I chose you, I called you. So
like even all the crazy bad stuff that happens in
this earth, because we're in a fallen world right now,
there's still somebody who loves you enough to help you,
redeem you, send good people into your life, give you
different opportunities. And so for me, man, I know who
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I was before I met God for real, Like I
knew I was a liar, addicted to pornography, a manipulator.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I had very evil things in my heart.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And then I realized I was loved by God and
he had a plan for my life. And he took
all my gifts and my talents and all that other
stuff and I could use it for him, and it
changed my life. And I want as many people to
know that. And I don't care what you think about me.
I don't care if you clown me. I don't care
if you I know the truth that one day we
all gonna find out. And I'm passionate about it because
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I don't want nobody to get to the Great Judgment
and be like nobody told me, Like I'm gonna be
the dude that's like yo. At least I tried to
tell you, like, there's a different way to do this.
And God really loves you, man, And so that's why
I didn't come here to preach.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But I guess I just.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
But Jesus was thirty three, thirty three, look at you.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And at thirty three, you don't no, no, no, But The
thing about that is stop that, and that's crazy. This
is the thing I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, something
in you is going to die so that a greater
version of you can live.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There you go, okay, thank you, There you go? Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Can we stay on this for a second.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
And I'm gonna tell the reason I want to stay
on this for a second because I've been having this
conversation a lot later and I've always felt like this
my whole life. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus.
I believe Jesus was a messenger. He was sitting here
to show us the best example of what we can be.
The thing I have a problem with is us as humans. Yeah,
we act like we have unlimited sins because of the
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sacrifice that Jesus made. Why don't we strive to be
the best versions of ourselves the way that Jesus did,
as opposed to just sin and sin and saying and
sinning and think we can just.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Pray it away.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So I think the truth of the matter is people
don't understand the cost of what Christ did for everybody,
because if you understood the cost, you wouldn't treat so
cheap exactly the truth of the matter is it's a
fictional story for most people what Jesus did being scourged
and beaten and laid on a cross. And while he's
on a cross, he looks over at a thief and
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literally says, today, if you believe in me, you'll be
in paradise. And two guys had a decision to make,
and one of them is like, nah, I'm good, and
the other one was like, yo.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Like he's literally getting killed and he's still trying to
show his love for somebody who was a sinner who
did the crime. And so a lot of people they
don't understand how much it costs. And just like in
our society day, nobody understands what tax evasion really cost
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you until you locked up for fifteen years. I mean,
it's the human nature to like, you don't know what
cheating on your spouse cost until you have to see
your kids on visits that are supervised. We try to
romanticize how much things cost, but really it costs a
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lot more. And so that's why there's a scripture in
relations that talks about so now that we've received this
beautiful grace, do we keep going on in sin, and
it says, of course not. He was like, we don't
keep doing the thing that he rescued us from. We
got to change in our conduct and our act and
our love. And that's why the fruit of the spirit
should be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control.
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That's what we're actually supposed to be displaying. But it's
hard to display that when you think that what happened
was a fairy tale or was something back in the day.
It's just an historic fact instead of the greatest act
of love that we've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, when they say the best apology has changed behavior,
I believe the best form of repentance behavior.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You're talking big.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You're talking big right there, because repent is not a
church word. It just means to turn. That's what repent means.
So a lot of people say sorry, but they don't turn.
A lot of people repent in their heart, but they
didn't turn. You gone to the altar, you pray, Lord,
if you saved.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Me out of this, I promise I'll never smoked that,
and I'll never shoot that, and I'll never do that.
And as soon as you get saved, you right back
in the same So you didn't repent.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You just said I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But it's not until you start going a different direction
that there's actual repentance. And that's where what you're saying
the change behavior, that's really the modification we all have
to make to actually line up with I think the
plan and the will of God for all of our lives.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
What would you say to like the younger generations, right,
Like you know, recently I saw the NL Shop had
sat down with all these men, Kirk Franklin on his show, right,
and he's read the Bible, according to him, that's what
he said. He said, he read the Bible, but he
some things. You know, you got questions about you confused, right,
And he was saying like if Jesus was the son
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of God, right, and God is our thought and Jesus
I follow that like that's confusing a little bit to him.
Understood what he was saying, you know, But the only
response that somebody gave him was to read the Bible again.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But it's like, yo, in that moment.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I felt like that was perfect to teach you know
what I'm saying, Like because even me at thirty three,
I've I've been I've been reading the Bible, you know,
since I was twenty five, and there are questions that
I have. But I'm also just afraid right to question God.
And I know we're not supposed to be afraid to
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question some things, but like questioning God, I was raised like, no,
you don't do that, but I'm isn't supposed to be that.
You don't question his timing, You don't question like when
he does things for you.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But we're not.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, you got a question. How do you find out
something if you don't know. I've gone on a spiritual journey.
Shout out to Nli Chopper for reading the Bible. You
can come hang with me any day, because what he
needs is community, right, need somebody to wrestle with those
things with him, not in front of a camera. Like
let me be very clear, because as soon as a
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camera comes on, everybody feels like they got to kind
of show that they know, you know what I'm saying.
And so that's why I think even probably in that interview,
I haven't seen the whole thing with what you're talking about,
but whoever was in there probably didn't say what they
believe because the cameras on, and maybe they're still wrestling
with it too, like I just want to be. I
want everybody to embrace the process of becoming. This notion
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that you can be forty two years.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Old and know everything.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
The fact that you can be twenty three or twenty four,
however Nlit Chopper is, or be seventy. This life is
a continued journey of humility, teaching, and learning. And I
pray that in NL E has an experience with God
that would be undeniable. So the thing about me, and
I'll just tell my personal testimony, there's still things as
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a pastor of a church that I'm like, God, I'm confused,
like I need I need, And most pastors wouldn't say
that because if you say that, then it's like, why
am I listening to you? Like there's a lot of
stuff I do know though, And the truth of the
matter is anybody that says they know everything, Like any
father that tells me he knows how to bear in
his kids fully, he's a liar.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Any any CEO that tells you I know exactly what
to do in business, they're a liar.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
In every other trade.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You respect the fact that somebody doesn't know everything and
is willing to learn, But when it becomes to a
pastor or a leader in the faith, it's like they
need to know everything only Jesus, only Jesus.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I don't think it's about it y'all needing to know everything.
I think they want to make sure your action is
lined up with what you're well.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
The truth of the matter is that has to be
how we live. Like that has to be how we
live because and the truth of the matter, you don't
see fathers being who they're supposed to be here in
marriages and you don't.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, name me one.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Vocation that everybody in that vocation is doing it right.
And so I pray for those people and I pray
for them like I could be one of them. So
that's the thing where grace and mercy and love comes in,
because like I rock with people who messed up and
they did eight things right and two things wrong, because
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the Bible tells us he's like, hey, those of you
who are godly, I need you to restore those people
lovingly lest you be one to fall in temptation and
fall yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And that's my heart behind it. And I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
More people need to wrestle with those questions with the
same people, not on podcaster or video chats or streams.
They need to go sit in a room with somebody
and find out because there are answers there. But the
thing that changed me is my experience. So everybody's trying
to do it here, and it has to happen here.
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It has to happen out of the heart flowed the
issues of life, and most people will stay close enough
to God to get an understanding, but not close enough
to have an experience. And there's one thing that you
cannot take away from anybody is their own experience. When
you heard a song and it made you cry, it
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don't matter if everybody else says that song is.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Whack to you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
You had an experience, And y'all can say this, But
every time I feel like this when I play that song,
you understand what I'm saying. There have been times where
I've been in my room, lonely, depressed and I felt
God come and speak to me and give me hope
and give me encouragement, and a tear fell down my eye.
As an eight on at aneagram, I barely ever cried
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like that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I had experiences when I was about.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
To go cheat, and when I was about to and
God said turn around now, like hold on, wait, like
turn around now, turn around now, I.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Knew that wasn't me because me wanted to go like.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I had experiences when God told me that he would
use my voice to help me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Millions of people find him.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But I wouldn't have to cop out and be whack,
and I could be myself who he called me to be,
like I'm nobody can steal that from me. And so
the truth of the matter is it may not make
sense to everybody in their head, but what does Everybody
uses Wi Fi right now and doesn't know how it works.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Don't even know where it comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Don't even know where it comes from.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I mean, average person use his WiFi every day, knows
how to connect, but has no idea how it works.
Nobody knows how the microwave works. Nobody knows how their
car works, but they use it. Why then, when it
comes to you can look at the world and see
God in everything. Why do you have to understand every
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single thing to believe it. There's so much evidence all
around the fact that a man and a woman can
come together and have sex and that baby.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Do you know how many things would have to go.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Perfectly right for it to come out with your eyes
and their nose and their skin complexion and look like
your granddaddy. This is the majestic, amazing, all inspiring.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
God we serve. It's just too good. It's just. And
then my other question is what else you're gonna believe in?
Where else should we go?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Like the disciples said, like, there are other options, but
none of them have this much proof. And so for me,
anybody listening right now, I just encourage you to go
on a journey. I encourage you to question. I think
the generation before did not question because of fear of
being rebellious, and that fear of being rebellious meant sin,
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not trying to find an understanding. But the Bible says
in all you're getting getting understanding. And so I think
that there are things that you can go after. And
God is so loving that he'll show you himself.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Even when I heard Emily Choppers say that I've always
innately felt that way.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right, if God is my father, then Jesus would be
my brother.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And you look at scriptures like Romans eight twenty nine
that said, for those God for new He also pre
death preds conformed to the image of his son, that
he might be the first born among many brothers and sisters. Yeah,
and then I think it was John twenty seventeen years
Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go to my brothers and
say to them, I am ascending to.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
My father and your father, to my God and your God.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I've always said, if I'm one of God's children and
Jesus must have been my brother, that's I've always felt.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, And so that's where you have to go deeper.
And I'm grateful to this conversation with you. You got
myself phone number, I got yours, Like, let's talk because
it's a theological understanding of the Trinity of God being
all three in one and most people don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They don't understand confused. That's where you.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Get confused, and we can walk through that. And I
did a series on our our church, Transformation Church, called
The Upgrade, and it talks about the Holy Spirit. I
basically gave the analogy that if you went into a
beautiful hotel and you pay for the basic room and
the person said to you, it's like, hey, for free.
You can have the upgrade, would you take it? And
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everybody would like, I'll give you to Well, that's the
same thing in the Christian faith is that many people
stop at just Jesus saving them. But Jesus says before
he leaves to be crucified, he tells the disciples, Hey,
it's better for me that I do go, because when
I go, then another expression of Me gets to show
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it up, called the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy
Spirit comes, he's the one that's gonna lead you into
all truth. He's the one that's gonna guide you. He's
gonna be the paraclet parabole, which means he or the periclet,
the one that walk alongside of you to help you
in your daily life. And that's where the different forms
of God begin to show up for believers.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so I'll walk you through it, brother.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
But the Trinity is how God is all God, but
He becomes man to be able to be the sacrifice
for all of us so that we can be able
to get back to the Father.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
See that is confusing.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
That's why you have to see you and you have
to also be open to learning as well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I am and I.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Feel like Chopa was you know, is it's just that
nobody was there to really give him that because he's
like yo again.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
But reading reading don't mean you comprehend that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's what I'm saying. The understanding of it. Number one.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
If I was to come here and explain to you
a geometry problem, we would not get it in this session.
And people are asking complex questions without basic concepts, So
it's very difficult for in a sound bite for somebody
to give do you understand what I'm saying? And so, well,
that's where I would just say that if those people
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are really on and if anybody is really on a truth,
be willing to go on the journey for longer than
three minutes.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
For sure, because either Jesus is our brother, well, God
is our grandfather, and I know God don't want to
be called grand head.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And so all I'm saying is, let's go on the
journey together for understanding. Because those who seek wisdom, those
will who seek it will actually find it. And that
is where I think a lot of people just don't
have a seek more beyond the quick viral moment, and
we gotta go the great things in life everybody knows
are the things that you actually put actual intention, time,
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effort and energy.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Sure, now let's talk about this as we outside of this. Yeah,
we outside talk about this tour seventeen cities.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
So myself Transformation Worship, which is a collective of artists
from our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Shout out to Transformation
Nation and Tod Tribbit, Kiera Shear Jonathan Mcreynold's I mean
when I tell you the level of singing, the level
of anointing, the level of just church that happens every night.
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We just finished our first week, and y'all it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's so absolutely nuts.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
If you want to see what Heaven's gonna look like
before you get there, you gotta pull up to the
wee outside tour. We're actually gonna be here in Brooklyn
on I believe the sixteenth. The sixteenth will be at
the Paramount Theater and I'm telling you, tickets are going crazy.
People are enjoying and it's just a night of encouragement,
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Kingdom people coming together and we want everybody to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Absolutely, this is what people need.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Man.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
How did the different x come together? How was Ti
Tribit Schowsen? How were you chosen how it was.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Kish So this this is TI Tribute's tour. Okay. So
Tye hit me up.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He actually came to our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma a
year ago, year and a half ago, and and we
got on the stage together. I'm a music producer before
I was a pastor, so most people don't know. I've
worked with a lot of different people. But God said, yeah,
stop that, and I'm gonna teach you something different. And
so I thought the music thing was over. And then
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a few years ago we started making some music. Tie
came and he was like, Bro, this is crazy, and
I was like, yeah, we're just trying to do our thing.
He was like, if I go on tour again, I
want you all to come. And he's a man of
his word. He hit me up and he was like, Bro,
bring transformation Worship outside with me. Let's do this tour
in the fall. And this is my first time being
on tour with this team. And usually I'm preaching places
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and traveling all the other stuff. But it's been really fun, man,
to just get up there and praise the God that
transformed my life and bring other people along with me.
And so if you want to turn up. You gotta
come out. All y'all are invited personally. Yeah, and you
saying for sure, Jess, But I'm telling you, on the sixteenth,
I'm gonna have a seat with your name on it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'm the one that's.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Going to come.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, I'm the only one day i'n go out with shot.
Bring your six kids. Envy that I got six. I
got six, I got you. I'll pay for them because
that's seven.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Actually, Okay, it's on me.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
If everybody wants to come, I will make sure you
are there taking care of I want people to experience
this because a lot of times people actually don't think
you can have fun. You can actually have excitement, you
can actually have joy in that type of context. But
I'm telling you, as soon as you come up, as
soon as you come in, it's a whole different level.
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We're doing it at the Paramount here in Brooklyn. Yeah,
the last place that we need. Now watch this, Watch this,
Watch this. This is a live nation thing. Charlottagne's messy,
but this is a live nation thing. Yeah, this is
a live nation thing. And this is the thing that
I need everybody to know. Some of these venues have
contracts that they have to sell alcohol and do all
these different things. And so at our last spot in Atlanta,
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I think they had drinks and everything, and the people
who participated participated, and.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The people who do and didn't. Temptation is gonna be everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
So if you got to say Hallelujah with the drink
in your hand, God bless you.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But that's not what we're promoting.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
But we're not saying for anybody to not come, because
that's something that you do.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And when Jesus did turn the water to wine to
the one, I know nobody ever talked about that part.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Nobody about it? Yeah, I think they probably. I think
I think it was gone. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I want to ask.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
You're one of the few pastors who really speak the
language of coaching, right, where's the line between relevance and
reverence for you?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
So the line is at the conviction. I I really
have a relationship with God where he will correct me
and convict me. And I have a relationship with people
who have to sit down and shut up card in
my life and most people, when they get to certain levels,
nobody can tell them nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But I have a wife.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Shout out to my wife Natalie, who is the greatest
gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife
when I was fifteen years old and we've been together
for twenty three years, married, fifteen, four kids later. And
she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when
I say fully, she sees my insecurity, she sees my fault,
she sees my lax she sees my successes. And God
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gave her to me to be a mirror. She don't
care about none of this. She don't care about anything.
She cares that I am a man of God and
I do what I say. And so first off, if
I'm coming home laying next to that every night, that's
a lot. Hey, Mike, that was too far for real. Hey,
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you shouldn't have said that. Oh dang, I thought that. Like,
so I had people like that in my life, and
that's just she's the main one, but I have several others,
and so I approach everything with reverence.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Sometimes people get confused though, the way people present some
thing with being irreverent, just because it's different. And one
of the things that I know for me is like
I would be this way if I was an Amazon
truck driver.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I would like close.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I would, I would, I would listen to music, I
would do different like and God doesn't bless who you
pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
And so for me, it's like God's changed me every
part of my life throughout this journey, and He's continuing.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
To change me. That's why I lead a church called
Transformation Church.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I will not be the same this time next year,
something in me will have changed, and perfectly something in
you would have changed. And that's why a lot of
time we take snapshots of people in their life and
we keep them there. But please make sure you're running
a movie on me, because I'm going to keep changing you.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I mean, three years ago, I was two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Seventy five pounds.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Stop blind, I am not playing with you, Jess. I'll
give you one hundred and seventy five pound. I was
hiding it in them three x four x supreme.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I was.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I was flying. You couldn't tell. But then God convicted me.
He said, how are you gonna tell these people to
live right? And you are going to commit sin every
day with your fork? Nobody talks about it, Nobody talks
about donuts. That was me because the truth of the
matter is I was sinning, not with a woman.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I was sinning with a.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Donut and everything. Hey, listen, I'm telling you. I'm telling
you people, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
But the truth of the matter is people are out
here judging other people for lyon and committing adultery, and
they's doing it all while committing sin. Like food was
meant for us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan,
not to become something to give us peace when we
need to go to him for peace.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And so again, and that conviction came to.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Me, and God was like, I don't want you to
say nothing until you get your life in order. And
so I turned my garage into a gym. I heard
a personal trainer. Me and my wife work out every
day together, and I've lost sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
My wife findal and she ever been in her whole life. God,
I thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
And what I'm saying is, but it came because I
got convicted, like and so and again. We all miss
the mark. Everybody misses the mark and falls short of
the glory of God. But we all got to keep trying.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yes, I was two seventy five, that's Okay, that's crazy,
that's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Not like like, yeah, it was under it was under,
it was under there. He not big a shit, but
he BigGAN that God doesn't bless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He blessing who you really are. I do not because though,
but but he doesn't. But don't smoke it on. So
what are you going with there?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
For?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen, you can cuss around me.
You're still shitting' why. I'm gonna tell your mama why
what would your mama say? This is religion, same thing
you said, but speaking this is religion.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
What's happening right now is religion.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Religion says that I'm doing something because of who's around.
I'm doing something because of how it makes me look.
I'm doing something because of how I want you to
view me. If that's not who you really are, it
can never change. And so for me, I tell people
all the time, if you cuss cuss around me, something
in me, though. My prayer is we spend enough time
together would allow you to see that that's not the
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type of language that you have to use to get
your point across. But if that's what you choose. I
would still rather be connected to you and have access
to you and love you and be able to be
an answer to your problems then to be disconnected because
you cussed.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Right now, I draw the line, I don't do none
of it around me.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Some stiff you can't do around me.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I mean, there are tons of things you can't do
around me, just for the reasons of what I'm trying
to listen. But the truth of the matter is sometimes
we use those things and we act like that's a
God thing and it's actually your personal thing, Like stop
putting everything on God and say like, I don't like
when you cuss around me, like hey.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But certainly of respect though around your mama, some people
do depending on who your mama is.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
And what I'm saying is if you don't do it
around your mama, but you do it around everybody else,
you're a faker.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And what happens, what I'm saying is you're disintegrated. You
are learning and practicing being different people, and there are
too many people. Why depression is on high while people
are dealing with anxiety because they forget who they have
to show up as.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
So every room I walk into, I show up as myself.
I don't have to change. I live a whole life.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Most people, depending on who watched it, the bishop walks in,
the CEO walks in, oh, celebrity walks in. They are
trying to figure out who do I need to be
right now?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
So if you curse in front of your friends, you
should curse from of your mom or your figure. Yes,
well this is the thing, this is the thing, but
with my but yes, that's.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
So. The truth of the matter is because there's a
reason why she didn't want you to talk like that,
and you're choosing to go beyond that because I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Gonna live my own life. It's your own personal convictions.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same
way so that God could actually change you instead of
him having to find which version of you you going
to be today.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
The conditioning our conviction, and what I mean by that is,
as just said, we're all conditioned to not talk like
that in front of all parents for the most part, right,
So conditioning our conviction.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Because I don't curs in front of my mom just
because I know she ain't going for.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
It again, I think it could actually be the it's conditioning,
like you know that for especially in the black household,
Like there's certain things you don't do here, but wait
till y'all kids start doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
God?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Damn, I mean, oh my god, not you? What do
you say?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No, I don't. Do you let your kids cut in
front of you? Hell o?
Speaker 7 (40:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Do you let your kids cut in front of you?
Speaker 7 (40:15):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
But I have asked my seventeen year old when she
was younger sixty, I said, do you curse?
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And she was like yes, So all of you know,
can I just be as your brother, you're living in
a state of delusion. Watch watch, because you literally are
doing the same thing your parents.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Did to you.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You've been conditioned, and you know your kids are doing
the same thing you're doing.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But for respect purposes, you.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Would rather not teach them how to have a stronger
vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss or
do it.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You would rather just be a secret from you and
just don't do it around me.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
But then you could go online and see them cussing
out people and listen, all of y'all are like, it's
a respect thing, and it's like all we're doing is
keeping the cycle going. We're not changing language, we're not
increasing vocabulary, we're not giving reasons or even understanding reasons
why they're doing it. All we're doing is creating a
barrier for them to be inauthentic around us. And so
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most parents are not the people their kids go to
when they're in need because there's all of these micro
fake things that we put up around ourselves. So when
I'm really struggling, I'm not coming to you because I
can't be real because I'm pissed that these people did
it and I need to cuss to whoever i'm talking
to right now, and I can't cuss to my parents
because it's disrespectful. So I got hurt and I'm pissed
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and I'm mad, and I can't do this, and we
condition them to do that. So all I'm saying to
you is like, it's delusional our mom. I don't know,
but I'm just saying. I'm saying, these are the cycle.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
In my mind, though they ask permission, if it's something
like permission to curse, and then they curse, but it's
a form of respect in my point, just like my
kids don't say brough to me, my son is not
bru friend. You got to check that that's their dialect.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
But because he does call me bruh and calls his
friend brou, that don't mean he's being fake. That just respect.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And when I speak to my dad or I speak
to somebody older, I say yes sir, yes ma'am.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
But I don't call just ma'am.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Right, Okay, it's a different level of respect. So let
me ask this question.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I have to say that you're a fake person.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
What I'm saying is I think that again, these are
the conversations that we have to have in culture, that
we are creating what we hate, Like these are the
type of things that I wish when I was struggling
with certain things, I felt comfortable enough to go to
my parents. And it's all of these small I mean,
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I'm getting schooled by people who don't know nothing and
don't love me. Because if I do tell my parents
what's really going on, I'm gonna get my tail whooped
like and it's a form of And again, I don't
know if the black community is ready to have these
conversations because a lot of times, like we we we
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perpetuate what actually causes the trauma in our families. And
I'm just saying that if your kids cuss and it's
a respect thing, you know, they cussing at somebody else's mama.
Sometimes they might not cuss to you. And you're saying that,
but that police officer that told them something and they
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didn't like you, get the f off me and da
da da, that's somebody else's mama. I'm just saying, we
are conditioning our people, and I would rather know where
my kids are and having those conversations. And again, this
is deeper because it comes down to you how you.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Want to raise your own family.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
So I'm not I don't understand what I'm saying, but
I do think that it came from you cussing in
front of me and a lot of people, those are
the things that we do that are religious, like we
say that's bad, but then cussing out our wife is
not like whoa wait a minute, you cussed in front
of me, not even at me, but you will cuss
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the person who loves you, picks up your stinky draws
and has forgiven you six times you cuss them out
in front of your kids.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
I do I don't disagree with you, But I feel
like we're kind of conflicting two issues. And what I
mean by that is when my kids, when my daughter
should be eighteen next year, she curves in front of me.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You're just talking about in the season that you're raising her.
Absolutely love and I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And I also think that dang, I think I lost
my mother. Point. Oh I did mother point.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's all right, But that is in the season that
I do believe.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
The Bible says trained a child in the way they
should go, so when they get old, they won't depart
from it. It's not just what you say, though, it
is what you do. You're training them both ways. So
if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey, you
can do this, just don't do it around me. Is
that really what we're trying to teach them?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
I'm just teaching them that everything there's a season for everything.
You turn eighteen, you're an adult. Now you can have
a kind of the other thing I was going to
say is I don't think oh, that's that was what
I was talking about. I don't think cursing is a
barrier that keeps children from wanting to be open with you.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I think that you.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Just want to establish a level of trust to where
they feel like they can talk to you about anything.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Having a curse keeps that.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I think the way that some parents act when their
kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I'm gonna just leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I would you think I counsel and work with a
lot of people that do not have healthy relationships with
their parents.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You act like this over a curse word. Imagine how
you act if I tell you I'm having sex.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Or I'm a lesbian, or I try these drugs or
getting over over Damn, I get it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Yeah, And so I'm just saying from the other side
of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults
that are thirty three and thirty five and forty two
and at grave sites forgiving their parents because of how
they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like
I would, Yeah, I would do it a little different.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Yeah, I want I want to ask you, Mike path
to Todd about this. They said Pastor Michael Todd slammed
for distracting outfit during sermon on faith, and they said
you had on what was considered feminine preaching attire.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You have no dress.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
So I was gonna ask, when clips of your sermons
go viral, sometimes I guess for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
How do you handle being misinterpret what's feminine about this?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
You tell me, Bro, it's it's black slacks, wide leg
that's in tring. It's a black shirt, and it's a
cropped leather top, and it's and it's got Chelsea boots
on that are yellow.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
So they didn't know you had that shape.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when
my belly was literally folding over my belt, I was
more holy than like, but but but but because I
got fit and healthy and I can wear larger medium,
now it's feminine.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It's the culture we live in.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, the truth of
the matter is to play ball at this level, there's
going to be opinions and pressure.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
How do you take people seriously with that?
Speaker 5 (47:19):
But they forget your word, but they look at I'm like,
well that The first thing I thought was I want
to go hear what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Literally, I'm like I want to go hear the word.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
And again that's part of the reason why I have critics,
and anybody that decides to do anything other than stay
in the house will have critics. And it's part of
the process that God allows me to endure to be
more like him.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I pray for all those people. Now that's the hard part.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
The hard part is seeing christ Man six sixty six
say something about me and having to be like God,
I thank you Father, whatever made him post that comment
or say that I think you that you would heal
his heart and give him the ability to have grace
and capacity for other people. Like that's hardy and and
but that's what the Bible tells us to do. That's
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like love your enemy, pray for them, pray for those
who despitefully use you.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
These people don't know me.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
And the truth of the matter of the reason I
wore this is because my wife told me she liked it. Yeah,
like literally that morning, my wife was like, I like
that one. It was between this one and this one,
and she was like, I like that one. So the
crazy thing is like those are just things to distract you.
And for me, I have to stay focused and I
have too much to do in this world and to
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be put off by that?
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the
word of another preacher Because a lot of people, right,
they think if they go to church and they hear
one one person say this and preach their sermon this
way or whatever whatever, and then they go and they
see somebody else say it, then it's stealing, I says,
and a rap song.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
No, you know, well if that's if that's the case,
then we're stealing from Paul John, them from David. We're
still no. The gospel is meant to be shared. And
the only reason that people try to corner the market
on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever get
anything else. The truth of the matter is that protection
of like I said it like this, I said it
like that, Like if the whole goal is that the
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gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so that everybody would
know about him. If you don't know how to talk
a certain way, please use my words and tell them
if that helped you help them with it, like this
is the Kingdom of God. And again, because the Kingdom
and a lot of areas has been turned into an
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organization instead of an organism, like then people are like,
now it's my you know, my property and my this,
and I said it like this, and it's like, yo,
I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff. Yeah,
preach it exactly, how ippreach it? We have people do
it all the time. I send people my notes like yeah,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Like this is the inspired word of God.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Like there are certain lines like if I put it
in a book and say it a certain way, and
the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it
has to be said.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You can't take that.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
But like my message is and like how I said it,
like just my only thing is do it better?
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Yeah, Now would you like them to credit you at
least this?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Awesome?
Speaker 4 (50:21):
But I mean how many of us wear clothes that
was inspired by somebody you saw on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
And we don't credit them And it's like, oh, that
fit is crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I'm a and so yeah, like everybody wants to be recognized,
everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna
happen because of the level that God has raised my
platform too for whatever reason, that somebody's gonna take that stuff,
and my prayer is that it helps them the way
it helped you.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Yeah, I saw them accuse you of taking some passive
sermon word for word.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's the word, bro.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
And if somebody, if somebody's breaking something down in a
way that makes me understand, Like y'all just said, a
lot of this stuff is confusing, a lot of this
stuff is we gotta figure it out. So if somebody
gets a revelation or gets understanding or it's like oh,
it's like yes, copy paste, like tell some other people.
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And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember.
How you say it will be different because you have
different oil than them, Like there's a different thing on
your life than what they have on their life. I
think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days
ago that that like, you can take the recipe, you
can take you can take the plans, but when we
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do it, because it's different, y s and so and so,
that's oh, she is a beast. Her and Terrey are
doing an amazing job in Dallas, and again it's Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
So I went to their installation service.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
I didn't preach at my church and went there because
people need to see this is not about one thing.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
This is about the Kingdom of God. And so yeah, man,
I for everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
PSA.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
If you hear pastor Mike prease something or something and
you feel like it could help your Bible study or
your youth group or your big church or little church,
you can use that man, help people get to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I got one more question. I think that sermon by
Sarah James was called get out of your Way. I
think that's what it was that was last week, get
out of your way? But what's one area in your
life where God is still stretching.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Me Jesus still stretching me. What area is He not
stretching me?
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Man?
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I think the one thing that you got to realize
about this walk with crisis is never over until we
get to heaven. And a lot of people are looking
for a season where it doesn't feel like growth because
growth actually is hard, like it's readjusting.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
It's all though.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
So I would say an area that God's still stretching
me in is the area of communication with the people
I love. Like I know how to communicate really well
to masses of people, but the nuance of communicating in
the languages that the people I love need, specifically my wife.
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Me and my wife, we believe in theology and therapy,
so we go to therapy and we do intensives every year.
This year we've done two already and December eighth, I'll
be back again. And these are like four five days straight,
three hours a day therapy. And because we got to
we gotta figure out how we work and then figure
out how to change the things that don't work. And
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I can realize and admit that some of my conversations
with my wife and people that are around me could
have more compassion and have more empathy in them. And
that's an area that God stretching me, like he's saying, yet,
you said it, but you could be more skillful. And
for me, that's such a dig for even me. I
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live transparent, So I'm saying it out loud and y'all
can tell it's real, because for somebody who communicates all
the time and has a pretty high success rate of
getting my points across, it's like I have to take
more time to think about how I'm saying something, not
just what I want you to hear me say.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
And I'm trying to figure bro and I can tell
you not because you sweat you hear me like it's
real for me.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
And the reason that I'm so honest about it is
because again, God doesn't pless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
And so my goal is to become more skillful at
communicating my heart and not just getting it said, but
thinking about how the people I love feel on the
other side of what I say, because the truth of
the matter is what I say is temporary. How it
makes you feel that's a lot longer, and I need
to make sure that I'm not I'm not damaging the
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most precious thing in my life. And so yeah, that's
that love you right time.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Outside. Y'all know you had a book that dropped in
February too.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Oh man, yo, I got a movie. No, no, y'all
missing everything y'all late. Let me tell y'all was about
to happen. Let me catch you up. We got a
brand new movie about to come out called Relationship Goals,
the movie with Amazon starring Kelly Rowland and Method Man.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
What it's based off.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
My book that I came up here and Mitchell, Yeah, bro,
we just finished it. It's coming out February fourth. I'm
coming back to do a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
But they just announced the release date.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
I couldn't talk about it until now, and so but
I wrote a thankfully a New York Times best selling
book called Relationship Goals, How to Win at Marriage, Dating
and Sex.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
I wrote that in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
That same year, Devon Franklin called me and was like,
have you ever thought about this being a movie? I say,
you know, I'm a man of crazy faith. I had
already written it out. I had already before you called me.
The characters, the names, the everything, and uh, it's so crazy.
It's happening. Amazon paid me to do the movie and
it comes out on February fourth, right before Valentine's Day.
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It's gonna be so wick. Thank you so much, man.
And so that's happening. We outside tour, and then Transformation
Worship just dropped the new album called Faith in the Fire.
It's on all streaming platforms. It's got some really good
music on it, and so I want you to go
check that out. And so yeah, we we outside. So
God didn't let it on your heart to let me
audition you. You could actually be in Relationship Goals to you. Okay,
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all right, so you heard it here.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
First, make sure all your stars are baptized.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
All the stars one baptized. Don't miss one.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Hey, listen, man, it's progression, not perfect. We need to
hang out, Yes, we need yeah, because we gotta. You
gotta meet my wife.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
We gotta, yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 6 (56:58):
Yes, you know, he is a crazy and faith to.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
I got you. Yeah, let's do it. But he's more black.
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All right, we're praying. Father. I thank you for this day.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
I thank you for the opportunity to share with my
brothers and sister. I thank you for all the things
that you're doing in each of our lives and all
the lives of the listeners today. God, I thank you
that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith
is something that we actually know is real, but it's
something we all have to discover. And so I thank
you that you would allow everybody that's in this room
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and that's listening to have an experience with you that
would be undeniable.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
I thank you Father.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
As people are getting furloughed right now and going through
situations that are literally unimaginable in America, I thank you,
Father God that you would be peace that their understanding,
make ways out of no way, do things that no
man could do.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Father God. With man, it's impossible, but with God it
is possible.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Today, Father God, I'm thinking that all things are working
together for the good of those who are called and
that love you and Father. If somebody does not know you,
if somebody has been far from you, Father, thank you
that your love, even through this.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Interview, is drawing them back home.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I thank you for transformation that happen in people's lives,
and I think you that people would get to know
the way, the truth and the life Jesus.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.
Speaker 5 (58:29):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
It's love man every time.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
All right, appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Man. It's the breakfast Club. Good morning, every day. Ago,
Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
Finish for y'all. Done,
Every day Breakfast Club, finish for y'all done morning.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Everybody is DJ Envy just hilarious, Charlamagne the God. We
are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in
the building. We are Pastor Mike Todd. Welcome back brother.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Family?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Y'all good today?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
How you feeling? How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Brother? I feel great, man, y'all look good in here. Well,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Before we dive into anything, I do have a question
because they would make it fun of me, right, what's up?
I was speaking to a pastor and we were talking
about the celebration of Halloween.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, and we used to go all out as a family.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We used to do these videos and you know, make
it fun and right. We used to decorate the house.
And the pastor said, I don't know if it's a
good idea to go that far into it. She said,
I'm not going to tell you don't trick or treat,
but what you're doing might be a little too far.
I got you, what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
So there's a whole bunch of different camps on this,
especially as people are actually coming out of that holiday.
My thing is this is a season where the orgin
are very dark, demonic, let's say evil. There are specific
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things though that happen in our culture that I believe
can be redeemed. So I have little kids that actually
like dressing up, and if they dress up not on Halloween,
it's not a bad thing. It's like, oh, look at him,
he looks like a little princess or anything like that.
So what me and my family do is we use
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this opportunity to reach people with what we believe with faith,
We use this moment to bless people, to give to them,
to actually this is a time for people to actually
meet their neighbors. Do you know how many people live
in their neighborhood and never talk to their neighbors never.
Actually you drive by them, you look at their Christmas light,
but you never talk to them. So we use this
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as a moment to actually meet our neighbors. We invite
them to church, we bless them with the best candy,
we actually talk to them and use it because all
things can actually work together for good. I definitely think
that there are some evil things that happen in this season. Also,
I think to the pure, all things are pure, and
there is something good that can come out of every situation.
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Also at the church, we do fall festivals and we
bring kids to the church and we we take something
that culture uses sometime to glorify something else, and we
try to figure out a way where we can put hope, love, joy,
peace in the middle of it. And so I just
would encourage everybody to use this as a moment to
come together and not divine.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
You know, I don't think nobody is thinking about Halloween
as something evil. It's it's community, it's joy, like you said,
it's the giving of the candy. It's a bonding thing
with the family and the neighborhoods.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Like. I don't think nobody's looking at it.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Like now there are some evil stuff. Come on, now,
hold on, wait, I mean, first off, all of the
why are you.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Gonna do that? Don't do it? And one day.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And when people do this all year round, yeah, one
day of.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
People pretending no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think I think that the hard movies are evil
to I think a lot of the origins of them
are a lot of the killing, a lot of the
evil spirits, a lot of the ghost stuff, a lot
of demonic activity, the seances, the Ouiji boards.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, I could go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I do believe that stuff is demonic and does is
spiritual from darkness.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
What about hip hop when you're playing the records about
people killing each.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Other, I think a lot of that is evil origin
as well.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Let's be honest, you're gonna stop playing those records.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
He grew up witness He was able to celebrate a
bunch of you know, a bunch of holidays, So I
got living out his little boy different. You don't even
look at it as a you know, I got you.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
What are you about to say?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No, I'm asking but one somebody, somebody will say that
it's more diving into demonic ways and worshiping the demon's worshiping.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You don't think that's you don't think you don't think
that music does that?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You worship it?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Satan was in the Minister of music.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yes, sir, col do you worship it? You worship music?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I do.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Actually I love hip hop.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think that worship is a little different than hold on.
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Worship is a definite bowing down to something. Okay, So
let's be let's be very clear about that. And music
is a conduit of worship. So I would encourage everybody
whatever you're listening to, there is something that can get
into your heart, your spirit, your mind, your soul that
will make you do things that is not what you
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would really want to do. It begins to show your
allegiance and to make idols of different things. And so
that's why music is so powerful. And I will say
I agree with you that the origins of a lot
of the music that is out and that we listen
to is from evil nature music Halloween.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh completely, But that's.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Why you have to have strong will.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
If you have your own you know what I'm saying,
You got strong will and then you won't be affected.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Ah.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I will say that. I will say that a strong
will will get you so far. But there are things
that are more powerful than a will. There are decisions
that you can make to partner with certain things that
are stronger than your decison.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
No, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
How many people have said I ain't going back to
that dude and he called you at nighttime and you
end up in his bed.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Dangn hold on. I'm just trying to say.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
What I'm saying is how many times have we said
we're not gonna eat the donut and We're sitting there
with a box of Krispy Kremes. How many times have
we said so? Strong will is not always enough. I
really believe that you have to not just have strong will,
you actually have to have disciplines, practices, things that are
accountable around you.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Because if you don't, you will end up.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I think everybody listening and everybody in this room has
done stuff we had a strong will that we were
not gonna do. Yeah, for sure, And that's why I
think that we really have to put our faith in
something that's stronger than our strong will and have a
foundation that will never change.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And for me, that's car See.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Charlemage is the type of person you know you give
up cigarettes and he'd be like, but you're still But
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
What I want to be comfortable with.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
So I'm not judging. I'm just saying, but also to it.
What what he failed to mention is I don't think
you can. I don't think you can do a little
bit of evil. So if you think something is wrong,
you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Do a little bit of it.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I got you, I'm saying, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
So either you're gonna stop doing it all together.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Or you're still I'm just I'm just not diving into
the huge thing that I used to do before and
do these huge videos and decorations and productions. I'm not
doing that. If my kids wanted to dress up in
tricker treat with their friends, I'm cool with, but I'm not.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
We gotta celebrate this. This is progression, though, and not perfection.
And I think that everybody has to do that because
there will be the Charlotta Mayne's of this world that
always try to pick out what you're not doing. But
but I need I felt that that you need an
a man right there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But I feel like that that's not the way that
people change. People don't fall into their vices all of
a sudden. They fall in progressively. It's watching something, it's
doing something. It's then participating it all the time, and
it's becoming it.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
No, this is all of a sudden, because on Friday
he was telling us how you forgot his costume. He's
supposed to be damned that, and then all of a
sudden to break shout out everybody who celebrated Halloween.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is the transition is production. I'm not doing the production
and opening up my house to that envious I am
still go I still go out with my kids.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Don't let them do not let him or anybody else,
anybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Okay, it's it's but this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
The truth of the matter is all transitions and have
tension when you're trying to make a change, especially when
you have been something else.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You have to realize that people won't.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Understand your transition because a lot of times that transition
is supposed to happen in the dark.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's supposed to have a dark one. You have to
develop into that thing.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And because you guys, do everything in front of everybody,
and somebody can pull up what you said last week
or last year or last month and like you not that, Hey,
forget all of that for everybody that's listening in this
room right now and that's in here.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Progression is messy.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
Because I was thinking and again and again, what I'm
going to tell you is progression and changing into who
God has created you to be is a messy process.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
And sometimes you go back and forth. Sometimes you're trying
to figure it out. Sometimes you're trying to feel what's
real to you and what you actually have to do.
So I celebrate you in making the progression step. If
that's what you feel like you need.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
To do another question, though you know we did a
deep dive into it this week. That's my masking.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So when you speak to somebody that's like a medium, right,
and they're saying that they can see the afterlife or
in between, what's your thoughts on things like that that
come from it a negative place?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So we don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
The supernatural is very real. Absolutely, let me be very clear,
the supernatural is very real. But the Bible is very
clear too that the same people that were inspired and
empowered by God to actually make change. We can use
Moses and we can use Elijah who were calling down fire.
There were people in that time that were actually empowered
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by evil forces or by the devil. And so I
definitely believe that when somebody is channeling a different spirit
or talking to the future, my question is where's the source.
Is the source God, the God of the universe, the
God who created all things, the one who loves everybody,
or is the source something that is evil, demonic, perverted, twisted,
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And so I definitely believe all of it's real, and
I definitely believe that you can hear and see those
things through people, because there's too many signs of that everywhere.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
But the truth is, check the source. Would you would
you talk to a medium.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Not to find out anything. I would talk to him
to pray for him, because I already have access to
God and everybody has access to God through Jesus. So
the truth of the matter is a lot of times
these mediums, these sources, these people are cop outs for
actually talking to the head person. A lot of people
won't go to God because they think that he's ashamed
of them, or he hates them, or it's going to
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be like what religion did. And God is a loving
father that's waiting for his children to come home. And
it's like, why would you go talk to your uncle
when you can come talk to your dad.
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Yeah, and mediums actually talk to the spirit guides around you.
I don't think it's God.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
And again, why would you go talk to an assistant
when you could talk to the CEO? And a lot
of people choose cheap cop outs because they feel like
that they have to present themselves a certain way. But
I just tell people like, I don't need anybody to
tell me what God's already told me. That's why even
prophets in the Bible. They're supposed to bring edification and
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conformation to what God's already talked to you about.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Well, I don't disagree with you passing my side, but
I hear a lot of people feel that way about Jesus.
And what I mean by that is they say, Jesus
is God's Son. So why do I have to talk
through the Son to talk to my Father?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Because the Bible says that Jesus is the only way,
the truth and the life. The only way that you
can come to him is through the only way you
can tell me to the Father is through the Son.
Because he knew that we would not be able to
understand his ways.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The Bible says, It's ways are not our ways. Thoughts
is not our thoughts.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He's higher. So I'm gonna take myself the Trinity. Now
we're getting into a deep theological thing, but we get
into the Trinity and it's the Father, Son, and the
Holy Spirit all in one. And he said, I gotta
give my children something they can relate to. So I'm
gonna I'm going to wrap myself in humanity. I'm gonna
put on humanity, and I'm gonna come to the earth,
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and when I come to the earth, I'm gonna live
this life sinless for thirty three years. But I'm not
gonna do it without temptation. I'm gonna let all the
temptations that they would experience come. And because everything that
is redeemed has to have a sacrifice, I'm going to
become the sacrificial lamb for everybody. And all they gotta
do is believe that this was done for them, and
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they'll have access back to the Father. And what ends
up happening in that is all it is is in
acknowledgment that God did this for us. And when you
understand that, you really understand the love of God. Like
most people, you know, people going through all kinds of
stuff right now, and most people just don't know they're
loved like they were loved even before their parents had them.
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The Bible says, before you were in your mother's womb,
I knew you, I chose you, I called you. So
like even all the crazy bad stuff that happens in
this earth, because we're in a fallen world right now,
there's still somebody who loves you enough to help you,
redeem you, send good people into your life, give you
different opportunities. And so for me, man, I know who
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I was before I met God for real, Like I
knew I was a liar, addicted to pornography, a manipulator.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I had very evil things in my heart.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And then I realized I was loved by God and
he had a plan for my life. And he took
all my gifts and my talents and all that other
stuff and I could use it for him, and it
changed my life. And I want as many people to
know that. And I don't care what you think about me.
I don't care if you clown me. I don't care
if you I know the truth that one day we
all gonna find out. And I'm passionate about it because
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I don't want nobody to get to the Great Judgment
and be like nobody told me, Like I'm gonna be
the dude that's like yo. At least I tried to
tell you, like, there's a different way to do this.
And God really loves you, man, And so that's why
I didn't come here to preach.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But I guess I just.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
But Jesus was thirty three, thirty three, look at you.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And at thirty three, you don't no, no, no, But The
thing about that is stop that, and that's crazy. This
is the thing I'm gonna I'm gonna say this, something
in you is going to die so that a greater
version of you can live.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
There you go, okay, thank you, There you go? Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Can we stay on this for a second.
Speaker 5 (14:18):
And I'm gonna tell the reason I want to stay
on this for a second because I've been having this
conversation a lot later and I've always felt like this
my whole life. I believe in God, I believe in Jesus.
I believe Jesus was a messenger. He was sitting here
to show us the best example of what we can be.
The thing I have a problem with is us as humans. Yeah,
we act like we have unlimited sins because of the
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sacrifice that Jesus made. Why don't we strive to be
the best versions of ourselves the way that Jesus did,
as opposed to just sin and sin and saying and
sinning and think we can just.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Pray it away.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
So I think the truth of the matter is people
don't understand the cost of what Christ did for everybody,
because if you understood the cost, you wouldn't treat so
cheap exactly the truth of the matter is it's a
fictional story for most people what Jesus did being scourged
and beaten and laid on a cross. And while he's
on a cross, he looks over at a thief and
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literally says, today, if you believe in me, you'll be
in paradise. And two guys had a decision to make,
and one of them is like, nah, I'm good, and
the other one was like, yo.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Like he's literally getting killed and he's still trying to
show his love for somebody who was a sinner who
did the crime. And so a lot of people they
don't understand how much it costs. And just like in
our society day, nobody understands what tax evasion really cost
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you until you locked up for fifteen years. I mean,
it's the human nature to like, you don't know what
cheating on your spouse cost until you have to see
your kids on visits that are supervised. We try to
romanticize how much things cost, but really it costs a
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lot more. And so that's why there's a scripture in
relations that talks about so now that we've received this
beautiful grace, do we keep going on in sin, and
it says, of course not. He was like, we don't
keep doing the thing that he rescued us from. We
got to change in our conduct and our act and
our love. And that's why the fruit of the spirit
should be love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control.
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That's what we're actually supposed to be displaying. But it's
hard to display that when you think that what happened
was a fairy tale or was something back in the day.
It's just an historic fact instead of the greatest act
of love that we've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, when they say the best apology has changed behavior,
I believe the best form of repentance behavior.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
You're talking big.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You're talking big right there, because repent is not a
church word. It just means to turn. That's what repent means.
So a lot of people say sorry, but they don't turn.
A lot of people repent in their heart, but they
didn't turn. You gone to the altar, you pray, Lord,
if you saved.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Me out of this, I promise I'll never smoked that,
and I'll never shoot that, and I'll never do that.
And as soon as you get saved, you right back
in the same So you didn't repent.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
You just said I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
But it's not until you start going a different direction
that there's actual repentance. And that's where what you're saying
the change behavior, that's really the modification we all have
to make to actually line up with I think the
plan and the will of God for all of our lives.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
What would you say to like the younger generations, right,
Like you know, recently I saw the NL Shop had
sat down with all these men, Kirk Franklin on his show, right,
and he's read the Bible, according to him, that's what
he said. He said, he read the Bible, but he
some things. You know, you got questions about you confused, right,
And he was saying like if Jesus was the son
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of God, right, and God is our thought and Jesus
I follow that like that's confusing a little bit to him.
Understood what he was saying, you know, But the only
response that somebody gave him was to read the Bible again.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But it's like, yo, in that moment.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I felt like that was perfect to teach you know
what I'm saying, Like because even me at thirty three,
I've I've been I've been reading the Bible, you know,
since I was twenty five, and there are questions that
I have. But I'm also just afraid right to question God.
And I know we're not supposed to be afraid to
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question some things, but like questioning God, I was raised like, no,
you don't do that, but I'm isn't supposed to be that.
You don't question his timing, You don't question like when
he does things for you.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But we're not.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
No, you got a question. How do you find out
something if you don't know. I've gone on a spiritual journey.
Shout out to Nli Chopper for reading the Bible. You
can come hang with me any day, because what he
needs is community, right, need somebody to wrestle with those
things with him, not in front of a camera. Like
let me be very clear, because as soon as a
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camera comes on, everybody feels like they got to kind
of show that they know, you know what I'm saying.
And so that's why I think even probably in that interview,
I haven't seen the whole thing with what you're talking about,
but whoever was in there probably didn't say what they
believe because the cameras on, and maybe they're still wrestling
with it too, like I just want to be. I
want everybody to embrace the process of becoming. This notion
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that you can be forty two years.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Old and know everything.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
The fact that you can be twenty three or twenty four,
however Nlit Chopper is, or be seventy. This life is
a continued journey of humility, teaching, and learning. And I
pray that in NL E has an experience with God
that would be undeniable. So the thing about me, and
I'll just tell my personal testimony, there's still things as
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a pastor of a church that I'm like, God, I'm confused,
like I need I need, And most pastors wouldn't say
that because if you say that, then it's like, why
am I listening to you? Like there's a lot of
stuff I do know though, And the truth of the
matter is anybody that says they know everything, Like any
father that tells me he knows how to bear in
his kids fully, he's a liar.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Any any CEO that tells you I know exactly what
to do in business, they're a liar.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
In every other trade.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You respect the fact that somebody doesn't know everything and
is willing to learn, But when it becomes to a
pastor or a leader in the faith, it's like they
need to know everything only Jesus, only Jesus.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I don't think it's about it y'all needing to know everything.
I think they want to make sure your action is
lined up with what you're well.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
The truth of the matter is that has to be
how we live. Like that has to be how we
live because and the truth of the matter, you don't
see fathers being who they're supposed to be here in
marriages and you don't.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, name me one.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Vocation that everybody in that vocation is doing it right.
And so I pray for those people and I pray
for them like I could be one of them. So
that's the thing where grace and mercy and love comes in,
because like I rock with people who messed up and
they did eight things right and two things wrong, because
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the Bible tells us he's like, hey, those of you
who are godly, I need you to restore those people
lovingly lest you be one to fall in temptation and
fall yourself.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
And that's my heart behind it. And I think that.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
More people need to wrestle with those questions with the
same people, not on podcaster or video chats or streams.
They need to go sit in a room with somebody
and find out because there are answers there. But the
thing that changed me is my experience. So everybody's trying
to do it here, and it has to happen here.
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It has to happen out of the heart flowed the
issues of life, and most people will stay close enough
to God to get an understanding, but not close enough
to have an experience. And there's one thing that you
cannot take away from anybody is their own experience. When
you heard a song and it made you cry, it
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don't matter if everybody else says that song is.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Whack to you.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
You had an experience, And y'all can say this, But
every time I feel like this when I play that song,
you understand what I'm saying. There have been times where
I've been in my room, lonely, depressed and I felt
God come and speak to me and give me hope
and give me encouragement, and a tear fell down my eye.
As an eight on at aneagram, I barely ever cried
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like that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
I had experiences when I was about.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
To go cheat, and when I was about to and
God said turn around now, like hold on, wait, like
turn around now, turn around now, I.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Knew that wasn't me because me wanted to go like.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I had experiences when God told me that he would
use my voice to help me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Millions of people find him.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
But I wouldn't have to cop out and be whack,
and I could be myself who he called me to be,
like I'm nobody can steal that from me. And so
the truth of the matter is it may not make
sense to everybody in their head, but what does Everybody
uses Wi Fi right now and doesn't know how it works.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Don't even know where it comes from.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Don't even know where it comes from.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I mean, average person use his WiFi every day, knows
how to connect, but has no idea how it works.
Nobody knows how the microwave works. Nobody knows how their
car works, but they use it. Why then, when it
comes to you can look at the world and see
God in everything. Why do you have to understand every
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single thing to believe it. There's so much evidence all
around the fact that a man and a woman can
come together and have sex and that baby.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Do you know how many things would have to go.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Perfectly right for it to come out with your eyes
and their nose and their skin complexion and look like
your granddaddy. This is the majestic, amazing, all inspiring.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
God we serve. It's just too good. It's just. And
then my other question is what else you're gonna believe in?
Where else should we go?
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Like the disciples said, like, there are other options, but
none of them have this much proof. And so for me,
anybody listening right now, I just encourage you to go
on a journey. I encourage you to question. I think
the generation before did not question because of fear of
being rebellious, and that fear of being rebellious meant sin,
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not trying to find an understanding. But the Bible says
in all you're getting getting understanding. And so I think
that there are things that you can go after. And
God is so loving that he'll show you himself.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Even when I heard Emily Choppers say that I've always
innately felt that way.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Right, if God is my father, then Jesus would be
my brother.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
And you look at scriptures like Romans eight twenty nine
that said, for those God for new He also pre
death preds conformed to the image of his son, that
he might be the first born among many brothers and sisters. Yeah,
and then I think it was John twenty seventeen years
Jesus tells Mary Magdalene to go to my brothers and
say to them, I am ascending to.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
My father and your father, to my God and your God.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I've always said, if I'm one of God's children and
Jesus must have been my brother, that's I've always felt.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, And so that's where you have to go deeper.
And I'm grateful to this conversation with you. You got
myself phone number, I got yours, Like, let's talk because
it's a theological understanding of the Trinity of God being
all three in one and most people don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
They don't understand confused. That's where you.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Get confused, and we can walk through that. And I
did a series on our our church, Transformation Church, called
The Upgrade, and it talks about the Holy Spirit. I
basically gave the analogy that if you went into a
beautiful hotel and you pay for the basic room and
the person said to you, it's like, hey, for free.
You can have the upgrade, would you take it? And
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everybody would like, I'll give you to Well, that's the
same thing in the Christian faith is that many people
stop at just Jesus saving them. But Jesus says before
he leaves to be crucified, he tells the disciples, Hey,
it's better for me that I do go, because when
I go, then another expression of Me gets to show
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it up, called the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy
Spirit comes, he's the one that's gonna lead you into
all truth. He's the one that's gonna guide you. He's
gonna be the paraclet parabole, which means he or the periclet,
the one that walk alongside of you to help you
in your daily life. And that's where the different forms
of God begin to show up for believers.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And so I'll walk you through it, brother.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
But the Trinity is how God is all God, but
He becomes man to be able to be the sacrifice
for all of us so that we can be able
to get back to the Father.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
See that is confusing.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
That's why you have to see you and you have
to also be open to learning as well.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I am and I.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Feel like Chopa was you know, is it's just that
nobody was there to really give him that because he's
like yo again.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
But reading reading don't mean you comprehend that.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That's what I'm saying. The understanding of it. Number one.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
If I was to come here and explain to you
a geometry problem, we would not get it in this session.
And people are asking complex questions without basic concepts, So
it's very difficult for in a sound bite for somebody
to give do you understand what I'm saying? And so, well,
that's where I would just say that if those people
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are really on and if anybody is really on a truth,
be willing to go on the journey for longer than
three minutes.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
For sure, because either Jesus is our brother, well, God
is our grandfather, and I know God don't want to
be called grand head.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And so all I'm saying is, let's go on the
journey together for understanding. Because those who seek wisdom, those
will who seek it will actually find it. And that
is where I think a lot of people just don't
have a seek more beyond the quick viral moment, and
we gotta go the great things in life everybody knows
are the things that you actually put actual intention, time,
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effort and energy.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Sure, now let's talk about this as we outside of this. Yeah,
we outside talk about this tour seventeen cities.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
So myself Transformation Worship, which is a collective of artists
from our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Shout out to Transformation
Nation and Tod Tribbit, Kiera Shear Jonathan Mcreynold's I mean
when I tell you the level of singing, the level
of anointing, the level of just church that happens every night.
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We just finished our first week, and y'all it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's so absolutely nuts.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
If you want to see what Heaven's gonna look like
before you get there, you gotta pull up to the
wee outside tour. We're actually gonna be here in Brooklyn
on I believe the sixteenth. The sixteenth will be at
the Paramount Theater and I'm telling you, tickets are going crazy.
People are enjoying and it's just a night of encouragement,
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Kingdom people coming together and we want everybody to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Absolutely, this is what people need.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Man.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
How did the different x come together? How was Ti
Tribit Schowsen? How were you chosen how it was.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Kish So this this is TI Tribute's tour. Okay. So
Tye hit me up.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
He actually came to our church in Tulsa, Oklahoma a
year ago, year and a half ago, and and we
got on the stage together. I'm a music producer before
I was a pastor, so most people don't know. I've
worked with a lot of different people. But God said, yeah,
stop that, and I'm gonna teach you something different. And
so I thought the music thing was over. And then
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a few years ago we started making some music. Tie
came and he was like, Bro, this is crazy, and
I was like, yeah, we're just trying to do our thing.
He was like, if I go on tour again, I
want you all to come. And he's a man of
his word. He hit me up and he was like, Bro,
bring transformation Worship outside with me. Let's do this tour
in the fall. And this is my first time being
on tour with this team. And usually I'm preaching places
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and traveling all the other stuff. But it's been really fun, man,
to just get up there and praise the God that
transformed my life and bring other people along with me.
And so if you want to turn up. You gotta
come out. All y'all are invited personally. Yeah, and you
saying for sure, Jess, But I'm telling you, on the sixteenth,
I'm gonna have a seat with your name on it.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
I'm the one that's.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Going to come.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, I'm the only one day i'n go out with shot.
Bring your six kids. Envy that I got six. I
got six, I got you. I'll pay for them because
that's seven.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Actually, Okay, it's on me.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
If everybody wants to come, I will make sure you
are there taking care of I want people to experience
this because a lot of times people actually don't think
you can have fun. You can actually have excitement, you
can actually have joy in that type of context. But
I'm telling you, as soon as you come up, as
soon as you come in, it's a whole different level.
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We're doing it at the Paramount here in Brooklyn. Yeah,
the last place that we need. Now watch this, Watch this,
Watch this. This is a live nation thing. Charlottagne's messy,
but this is a live nation thing. Yeah, this is
a live nation thing. And this is the thing that
I need everybody to know. Some of these venues have
contracts that they have to sell alcohol and do all
these different things. And so at our last spot in Atlanta,
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I think they had drinks and everything, and the people
who participated participated, and.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The people who do and didn't. Temptation is gonna be everywhere.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
So if you got to say Hallelujah with the drink
in your hand, God bless you.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But that's not what we're promoting.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
But we're not saying for anybody to not come, because
that's something that you do.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
And when Jesus did turn the water to wine to
the one, I know nobody ever talked about that part.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Nobody about it? Yeah, I think they probably. I think
I think it was gone. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
I want to ask.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
You're one of the few pastors who really speak the
language of coaching, right, where's the line between relevance and
reverence for you?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:37):
So the line is at the conviction. I I really
have a relationship with God where he will correct me
and convict me. And I have a relationship with people
who have to sit down and shut up card in
my life and most people, when they get to certain levels,
nobody can tell them nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
But I have a wife.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Shout out to my wife Natalie, who is the greatest
gift that God ever gave me. I met my wife
when I was fifteen years old and we've been together
for twenty three years, married, fifteen, four kids later. And
she's the only woman that sees me fully. And when
I say fully, she sees my insecurity, she sees my fault,
she sees my lax she sees my successes. And God
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gave her to me to be a mirror. She don't
care about none of this. She don't care about anything.
She cares that I am a man of God and
I do what I say. And so first off, if
I'm coming home laying next to that every night, that's
a lot. Hey, Mike, that was too far for real. Hey,
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you shouldn't have said that. Oh dang, I thought that. Like,
so I had people like that in my life, and
that's just she's the main one, but I have several others,
and so I approach everything with reverence.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I think that.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Sometimes people get confused though, the way people present some
thing with being irreverent, just because it's different. And one
of the things that I know for me is like
I would be this way if I was an Amazon
truck driver.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I would like close.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
I would, I would, I would listen to music, I
would do different like and God doesn't bless who you
pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
And so for me, it's like God's changed me every
part of my life throughout this journey, and He's continuing.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
To change me. That's why I lead a church called
Transformation Church.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I will not be the same this time next year,
something in me will have changed, and perfectly something in
you would have changed. And that's why a lot of
time we take snapshots of people in their life and
we keep them there. But please make sure you're running
a movie on me, because I'm going to keep changing you.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I mean, three years ago, I was two hundred and.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
Seventy five pounds.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Stop blind, I am not playing with you, Jess. I'll
give you one hundred and seventy five pound. I was
hiding it in them three x four x supreme.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
I was.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
I was flying. You couldn't tell. But then God convicted me.
He said, how are you gonna tell these people to
live right? And you are going to commit sin every
day with your fork? Nobody talks about it, Nobody talks
about donuts. That was me because the truth of the
matter is I was sinning, not with a woman.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I was sinning with a.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Donut and everything. Hey, listen, I'm telling you. I'm telling
you people, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
But the truth of the matter is people are out
here judging other people for lyon and committing adultery, and
they's doing it all while committing sin. Like food was
meant for us to be nourished to fulfill God's plan,
not to become something to give us peace when we
need to go to him for peace.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
And so again, and that conviction came to.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Me, and God was like, I don't want you to
say nothing until you get your life in order. And
so I turned my garage into a gym. I heard
a personal trainer. Me and my wife work out every
day together, and I've lost sixty pounds.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
My wife findal and she ever been in her whole life. God,
I thank you.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
And what I'm saying is, but it came because I
got convicted, like and so and again. We all miss
the mark. Everybody misses the mark and falls short of
the glory of God. But we all got to keep trying.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yes, I was two seventy five, that's Okay, that's crazy,
that's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Not like like, yeah, it was under it was under,
it was under there. He not big a shit, but
he BigGAN that God doesn't bless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
He blessing who you really are. I do not because though,
but but he doesn't. But don't smoke it on. So
what are you going with there?
Speaker 6 (37:01):
For?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Hey, listen, don't judge her. Listen, you can cuss around me.
You're still shitting' why. I'm gonna tell your mama why
what would your mama say? This is religion, same thing
you said, but speaking this is religion.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
What's happening right now is religion.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Religion says that I'm doing something because of who's around.
I'm doing something because of how it makes me look.
I'm doing something because of how I want you to
view me. If that's not who you really are, it
can never change. And so for me, I tell people
all the time, if you cuss cuss around me, something
in me, though. My prayer is we spend enough time
together would allow you to see that that's not the
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type of language that you have to use to get
your point across. But if that's what you choose. I
would still rather be connected to you and have access
to you and love you and be able to be
an answer to your problems then to be disconnected because
you cussed.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Right now, I draw the line, I don't do none
of it around me.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Some stiff you can't do around me.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
I mean, there are tons of things you can't do
around me, just for the reasons of what I'm trying
to listen. But the truth of the matter is sometimes
we use those things and we act like that's a
God thing and it's actually your personal thing, Like stop
putting everything on God and say like, I don't like
when you cuss around me, like hey.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But certainly of respect though around your mama, some people
do depending on who your mama is.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
And what I'm saying is if you don't do it
around your mama, but you do it around everybody else,
you're a faker.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And what happens, what I'm saying is you're disintegrated. You
are learning and practicing being different people, and there are
too many people. Why depression is on high while people
are dealing with anxiety because they forget who they have
to show up as.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
So every room I walk into, I show up as myself.
I don't have to change. I live a whole life.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Most people, depending on who watched it, the bishop walks in,
the CEO walks in, oh, celebrity walks in. They are
trying to figure out who do I need to be
right now?
Speaker 1 (39:07):
So if you curse in front of your friends, you
should curse from of your mom or your figure. Yes,
well this is the thing, this is the thing, but
with my but yes, that's.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
So. The truth of the matter is because there's a
reason why she didn't want you to talk like that,
and you're choosing to go beyond that because I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Gonna live my own life. It's your own personal convictions.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
I'm just saying that I'd rather you be the same
way so that God could actually change you instead of
him having to find which version of you you going
to be today.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
The conditioning our conviction, and what I mean by that is,
as just said, we're all conditioned to not talk like
that in front of all parents for the most part, right,
So conditioning our conviction.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Because I don't curs in front of my mom just
because I know she ain't going for.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
It again, I think it could actually be the it's conditioning,
like you know that for especially in the black household,
Like there's certain things you don't do here, but wait
till y'all kids start doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Do you let your kids cuss in front of you?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
God?
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Damn, I mean, oh my god, not you? What do
you say?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
No, I don't. Do you let your kids cut in
front of you? Hell o?
Speaker 7 (40:13):
No?
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Do you let your kids cut in front of you?
Speaker 7 (40:15):
No?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
But I have asked my seventeen year old when she
was younger sixty, I said, do you curse?
Speaker 4 (40:18):
And she was like yes, So all of you know,
can I just be as your brother, you're living in
a state of delusion. Watch watch, because you literally are
doing the same thing your parents.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Did to you.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
You've been conditioned, and you know your kids are doing
the same thing you're doing.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But for respect purposes, you.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Would rather not teach them how to have a stronger
vocabulary or teach them a reason why they cuss or
do it.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
You would rather just be a secret from you and
just don't do it around me.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
But then you could go online and see them cussing
out people and listen, all of y'all are like, it's
a respect thing, and it's like all we're doing is
keeping the cycle going. We're not changing language, we're not
increasing vocabulary, we're not giving reasons or even understanding reasons
why they're doing it. All we're doing is creating a
barrier for them to be inauthentic around us. And so
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most parents are not the people their kids go to
when they're in need because there's all of these micro
fake things that we put up around ourselves. So when
I'm really struggling, I'm not coming to you because I
can't be real because I'm pissed that these people did
it and I need to cuss to whoever i'm talking
to right now, and I can't cuss to my parents
because it's disrespectful. So I got hurt and I'm pissed
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and I'm mad, and I can't do this, and we
condition them to do that. So all I'm saying to
you is like, it's delusional our mom. I don't know,
but I'm just saying. I'm saying, these are the cycle.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
In my mind, though they ask permission, if it's something
like permission to curse, and then they curse, but it's
a form of respect in my point, just like my
kids don't say brough to me, my son is not
bru friend. You got to check that that's their dialect.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
But because he does call me bruh and calls his
friend brou, that don't mean he's being fake. That just respect.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And when I speak to my dad or I speak
to somebody older, I say yes sir, yes ma'am.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
But I don't call just ma'am.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
Right, Okay, it's a different level of respect. So let
me ask this question.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
I have to say that you're a fake person.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
What I'm saying is I think that again, these are
the conversations that we have to have in culture, that
we are creating what we hate, Like these are the
type of things that I wish when I was struggling
with certain things, I felt comfortable enough to go to
my parents. And it's all of these small I mean,
(42:39):
I'm getting schooled by people who don't know nothing and
don't love me. Because if I do tell my parents
what's really going on, I'm gonna get my tail whooped
like and it's a form of And again, I don't
know if the black community is ready to have these
conversations because a lot of times, like we we we
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perpetuate what actually causes the trauma in our families. And
I'm just saying that if your kids cuss and it's
a respect thing, you know, they cussing at somebody else's mama.
Sometimes they might not cuss to you. And you're saying that,
but that police officer that told them something and they
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didn't like you, get the f off me and da
da da, that's somebody else's mama. I'm just saying, we
are conditioning our people, and I would rather know where
my kids are and having those conversations. And again, this
is deeper because it comes down to you how you.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Want to raise your own family.
Speaker 4 (43:38):
So I'm not I don't understand what I'm saying, but
I do think that it came from you cussing in
front of me and a lot of people, those are
the things that we do that are religious, like we
say that's bad, but then cussing out our wife is
not like whoa wait a minute, you cussed in front
of me, not even at me, but you will cuss
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the person who loves you, picks up your stinky draws
and has forgiven you six times you cuss them out
in front of your kids.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
I do I don't disagree with you, But I feel
like we're kind of conflicting two issues. And what I
mean by that is when my kids, when my daughter
should be eighteen next year, she curves in front of me.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You're just talking about in the season that you're raising her.
Absolutely love and I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
And I also think that dang, I think I lost
my mother. Point. Oh I did mother point.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
It's all right, But that is in the season that
I do believe.
Speaker 4 (44:34):
The Bible says trained a child in the way they
should go, so when they get old, they won't depart
from it. It's not just what you say, though, it
is what you do. You're training them both ways. So
if you're teaching your children or teaching anybody, hey, you
can do this, just don't do it around me. Is
that really what we're trying to teach them?
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
I'm just teaching them that everything there's a season for everything.
You turn eighteen, you're an adult. Now you can have
a kind of the other thing I was going to
say is I don't think oh, that's that was what
I was talking about. I don't think cursing is a
barrier that keeps children from wanting to be open with you.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
I think that you.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Just want to establish a level of trust to where
they feel like they can talk to you about anything.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Having a curse keeps that.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I think the way that some parents act when their
kids say things they hear their parents say does create barriers.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
I'm gonna just leave it at that.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
I would you think I counsel and work with a
lot of people that do not have healthy relationships with
their parents.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
You act like this over a curse word. Imagine how
you act if I tell you I'm having sex.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Or I'm a lesbian, or I try these drugs or
getting over over Damn, I get it.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, I'm not talking to you.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
Yeah, And so I'm just saying from the other side
of helping a lot of people's kids who are adults
that are thirty three and thirty five and forty two
and at grave sites forgiving their parents because of how
they didn't have interaction with them. I'm just saying, like
I would, Yeah, I would do it a little different.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
Yeah, I want I want to ask you, Mike path
to Todd about this. They said Pastor Michael Todd slammed
for distracting outfit during sermon on faith, and they said
you had on what was considered feminine preaching attire.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
You have no dress.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
So I was gonna ask, when clips of your sermons
go viral, sometimes I guess for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
How do you handle being misinterpret what's feminine about this?
Speaker 4 (46:27):
You tell me, Bro, it's it's black slacks, wide leg
that's in tring. It's a black shirt, and it's a
cropped leather top, and it's and it's got Chelsea boots
on that are yellow.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
So they didn't know you had that shape.
Speaker 4 (46:51):
And the thing is, nobody said anything to me when
my belly was literally folding over my belt, I was
more holy than like, but but but but because I
got fit and healthy and I can wear larger medium,
now it's feminine.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
It's the culture we live in.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Like, you know what I'm saying, Like, the truth of
the matter is to play ball at this level, there's
going to be opinions and pressure.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
How do you take people seriously with that?
Speaker 5 (47:19):
But they forget your word, but they look at I'm like,
well that The first thing I thought was I want
to go hear what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Literally, I'm like I want to go hear the word.
Speaker 4 (47:28):
And again that's part of the reason why I have critics,
and anybody that decides to do anything other than stay
in the house will have critics. And it's part of
the process that God allows me to endure to be
more like him.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I pray for all those people. Now that's the hard part.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
The hard part is seeing christ Man six sixty six
say something about me and having to be like God,
I thank you Father, whatever made him post that comment
or say that I think you that you would heal
his heart and give him the ability to have grace
and capacity for other people. Like that's hardy and and
but that's what the Bible tells us to do. That's
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like love your enemy, pray for them, pray for those
who despitefully use you.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
These people don't know me.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
And the truth of the matter of the reason I
wore this is because my wife told me she liked it. Yeah,
like literally that morning, my wife was like, I like
that one. It was between this one and this one,
and she was like, I like that one. So the
crazy thing is like those are just things to distract you.
And for me, I have to stay focused and I
have too much to do in this world and to
(48:34):
be put off by that?
Speaker 6 (48:37):
Is it wrong to be inspired by, you know, the
word of another preacher Because a lot of people, right,
they think if they go to church and they hear
one one person say this and preach their sermon this
way or whatever whatever, and then they go and they
see somebody else say it, then it's stealing, I says,
and a rap song.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
No, you know, well if that's if that's the case,
then we're stealing from Paul John, them from David. We're
still no. The gospel is meant to be shared. And
the only reason that people try to corner the market
on something is because they're insecure that they'll ever get
anything else. The truth of the matter is that protection
of like I said it like this, I said it
like that, Like if the whole goal is that the
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gospel of Jesus Christ be proclaimed so that everybody would
know about him. If you don't know how to talk
a certain way, please use my words and tell them
if that helped you help them with it, like this
is the Kingdom of God. And again, because the Kingdom
and a lot of areas has been turned into an
(49:37):
organization instead of an organism, like then people are like,
now it's my you know, my property and my this,
and I said it like this, and it's like, yo,
I tell young preachers all the time, take my stuff. Yeah,
preach it exactly, how ippreach it? We have people do
it all the time. I send people my notes like yeah,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Like this is the inspired word of God.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
Like there are certain lines like if I put it
in a book and say it a certain way, and
the company I'm partnering with has a contract that it
has to be said.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
You can't take that.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
But like my message is and like how I said it,
like just my only thing is do it better?
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Yeah, Now would you like them to credit you at
least this?
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Awesome?
Speaker 4 (50:21):
But I mean how many of us wear clothes that
was inspired by somebody you saw on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
And we don't credit them And it's like, oh, that
fit is crazy.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I'm a and so yeah, like everybody wants to be recognized,
everybody wants credit. But for me, I know it's gonna
happen because of the level that God has raised my
platform too for whatever reason, that somebody's gonna take that stuff,
and my prayer is that it helps them the way
it helped you.
Speaker 5 (50:46):
Yeah, I saw them accuse you of taking some passive
sermon word for word.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I didn't listen to it, but I'm like, it's the word.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's the word, bro.
Speaker 4 (50:55):
And if somebody, if somebody's breaking something down in a
way that makes me understand, Like y'all just said, a
lot of this stuff is confusing, a lot of this
stuff is we gotta figure it out. So if somebody
gets a revelation or gets understanding or it's like oh,
it's like yes, copy paste, like tell some other people.
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And this is the other thing that everybody has to remember.
How you say it will be different because you have
different oil than them, Like there's a different thing on
your life than what they have on their life. I
think I heard Sarah Jake say it a couple days
ago that that like, you can take the recipe, you
can take you can take the plans, but when we
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do it, because it's different, y s and so and so,
that's oh, she is a beast. Her and Terrey are
doing an amazing job in Dallas, and again it's Kingdom.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
So I went to their installation service.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
I didn't preach at my church and went there because
people need to see this is not about one thing.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
This is about the Kingdom of God. And so yeah, man,
I for everybody.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
PSA.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
If you hear pastor Mike prease something or something and
you feel like it could help your Bible study or
your youth group or your big church or little church,
you can use that man, help people get to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (52:18):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
I got one more question. I think that sermon by
Sarah James was called get out of your Way. I
think that's what it was that was last week, get
out of your way? But what's one area in your
life where God is still stretching.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Me Jesus still stretching me. What area is He not
stretching me?
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Man?
Speaker 4 (52:34):
I think the one thing that you got to realize
about this walk with crisis is never over until we
get to heaven. And a lot of people are looking
for a season where it doesn't feel like growth because
growth actually is hard, like it's readjusting.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
It's all though.
Speaker 4 (52:52):
So I would say an area that God's still stretching
me in is the area of communication with the people
I love. Like I know how to communicate really well
to masses of people, but the nuance of communicating in
the languages that the people I love need, specifically my wife.
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Me and my wife, we believe in theology and therapy,
so we go to therapy and we do intensives every year.
This year we've done two already and December eighth, I'll
be back again. And these are like four five days straight,
three hours a day therapy. And because we got to
we gotta figure out how we work and then figure
out how to change the things that don't work. And
(53:37):
I can realize and admit that some of my conversations
with my wife and people that are around me could
have more compassion and have more empathy in them. And
that's an area that God stretching me, like he's saying, yet,
you said it, but you could be more skillful. And
for me, that's such a dig for even me. I
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live transparent, So I'm saying it out loud and y'all
can tell it's real, because for somebody who communicates all
the time and has a pretty high success rate of
getting my points across, it's like I have to take
more time to think about how I'm saying something, not
just what I want you to hear me say.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
And I'm trying to figure bro and I can tell
you not because you sweat you hear me like it's
real for me.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
And the reason that I'm so honest about it is
because again, God doesn't pless who you pretend to be.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
He blesses who you really are.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
And so my goal is to become more skillful at
communicating my heart and not just getting it said, but
thinking about how the people I love feel on the
other side of what I say, because the truth of
the matter is what I say is temporary. How it
makes you feel that's a lot longer, and I need
to make sure that I'm not I'm not damaging the
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most precious thing in my life. And so yeah, that's
that love you right time.
Speaker 3 (55:04):
Outside. Y'all know you had a book that dropped in
February too.
Speaker 4 (55:09):
Oh man, yo, I got a movie. No, no, y'all
missing everything y'all late. Let me tell y'all was about
to happen. Let me catch you up. We got a
brand new movie about to come out called Relationship Goals,
the movie with Amazon starring Kelly Rowland and Method Man.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
What it's based off.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
My book that I came up here and Mitchell, Yeah, bro,
we just finished it. It's coming out February fourth. I'm
coming back to do a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (55:35):
But they just announced the release date.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
I couldn't talk about it until now, and so but
I wrote a thankfully a New York Times best selling
book called Relationship Goals, How to Win at Marriage, Dating
and Sex.
Speaker 1 (55:48):
I wrote that in twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (55:50):
That same year, Devon Franklin called me and was like,
have you ever thought about this being a movie? I say,
you know, I'm a man of crazy faith. I had
already written it out. I had already before you called me.
The characters, the names, the everything, and uh, it's so crazy.
It's happening. Amazon paid me to do the movie and
it comes out on February fourth, right before Valentine's Day.
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It's gonna be so wick. Thank you so much, man.
And so that's happening. We outside tour, and then Transformation
Worship just dropped the new album called Faith in the Fire.
It's on all streaming platforms. It's got some really good
music on it, and so I want you to go
check that out. And so yeah, we we outside. So
God didn't let it on your heart to let me
audition you. You could actually be in Relationship Goals to you. Okay,
(56:37):
all right, so you heard it here.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
First, make sure all your stars are baptized.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
All the stars one baptized. Don't miss one.
Speaker 4 (56:48):
Hey, listen, man, it's progression, not perfect. We need to
hang out, Yes, we need yeah, because we gotta. You
gotta meet my wife.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
We gotta, yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 6 (56:58):
Yes, you know, he is a crazy and faith to.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
I got you. Yeah, let's do it. But he's more black.
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All right, we're praying. Father. I thank you for this day.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
I thank you for the opportunity to share with my
brothers and sister. I thank you for all the things
that you're doing in each of our lives and all
the lives of the listeners today. God, I thank you
that we all go on a journey of progression. Faith
is something that we actually know is real, but it's
something we all have to discover. And so I thank
you that you would allow everybody that's in this room
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and that's listening to have an experience with you that
would be undeniable.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
I thank you Father.
Speaker 4 (57:50):
As people are getting furloughed right now and going through
situations that are literally unimaginable in America, I thank you,
Father God that you would be peace that their understanding,
make ways out of no way, do things that no
man could do.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Father God. With man, it's impossible, but with God it
is possible.
Speaker 4 (58:08):
Today, Father God, I'm thinking that all things are working
together for the good of those who are called and
that love you and Father. If somebody does not know you,
if somebody has been far from you, Father, thank you
that your love, even through this.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Interview, is drawing them back home.
Speaker 4 (58:22):
I thank you for transformation that happen in people's lives,
and I think you that people would get to know
the way, the truth and the life Jesus.
Speaker 1 (58:28):
In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.
Speaker 5 (58:29):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
It's love man every time.
Speaker 3 (58:33):
All right, appreciate y'all.
Speaker 1 (58:35):
Man. It's the breakfast Club. Good morning, every day. Ago,
Breakfast Club.
Speaker 3 (58:42):
Finish for y'all. Done,
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