INTERVIEW: Ms. Pat & Jordan E. Cooper Talk Writing Partnership, New Shows, Government Shutdown + More

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Every day a week ago the Breakfast Club. Morning everybody,
it's d J n V. Just hilarious.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Charlama guy, we are the Breakfast Club. We got some
special guests in the building. We have Jordan E. Cooper
and one of my favorite people in the world, Miss
Pat Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're gonna lose as much as I can afford to die.
Shot or hay Man, what I was looking good?

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Fat Nikka yant here looking wrong? You never had to
pull up No two counts for me, Yo. My ship
is a proportionate and my neighbor do not connect.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I love your he you looking like big glow with
I love Gloriala.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
You don't want to meet her. I know everybody like
you look like Glorreala Mama. I wish like hell I
had Glorilla. I wish she was the baby I killed
and God got me back and made that motherfucker fame.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Your daughter.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
That's why you should be careful about the babies you killed.
You might kill a Lebron James. The good thing now
they can tell you what you have it. You know
you can get the arches out. They be like, this
is stupid, motherfucker gone send and make.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
The god Now. Yeah, you can now.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
But back in the day, you know that I was
my kids was born on Medicaid, So you only got
an ultrasound when you were nine months you were not allow. Yeah,
they ain't give a fuck about that baby. We're gonna
see what you're having in nine months. Were gonna keep
giving you these fucking free pictures.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I did not know that back in the day.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yeah, a lot of ultrasounds was not available.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
They was available, but it was Medicaid. So you have
a choice.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
You can get as many abortions on Medicaid or you
can get an archer sound.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
So abortion or ult yeah both? You Yeah, maxed out?

Speaker 6 (02:04):
Are you reading the Buddy comedy?

Speaker 7 (02:08):
Should dog?

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:11):
She Glorilla reminds me so much of me when I
was younger. I was even fine, like not as small,
you know, before that old I just want you to
know that my vagina ain't always sick. I mean, my
stomach has not always set on my vagina. Once in
my life I could wear two piece and not chicken.

Speaker 7 (02:35):
Yeah, she catches.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I'm married, I've been mad for thirty two years, so
he ain't complaining.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So whatever. He pulled into the side and lifting.

Speaker 7 (02:44):
He be seeing the skinny niggas in your comments.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
They do, but they're not gonna make me pay him
my money.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I'm gonna be raped that with my humbun to the end.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, that ship is delicious to you.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
We Ma.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I got somewhere late my tittyat on the I ain't
gotta listen to him past gags. I'm telling you, if
you've been married in a relationship on the time, you
do not have to sleep next to these men. Get
your own room. You get tired of nigga rubbing on
you in the middle of the night. You know, you know,
you gotta when you I don't know most women like
I don't go to bed sexy.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I just get into bed. I want them people.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
I can't stand to take a bath at night because
I don't want to be depth in the morning.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Why you don't want me?

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Damn?

Speaker 7 (03:25):
Why is you dawn.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
In the morning? Fat and a little sweat?

Speaker 4 (03:31):
So yeah, I'm always leaking, But.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Why don't watch I do? I watch it in the morning? Fresh?

Speaker 6 (03:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:39):
I need my stuff twenty four hours fresh. I can't help.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I just don't like that ship. I don't put on
lunch and ray. I don't do it. You know, I
go to bed. If we're gonna double, you wanna fuck?
And if you don't, excuse me, you wanna have sex.
If you don't, you know, I just go to bed.

Speaker 8 (03:54):
If you save money in the wintertime, though, wow, because
you keep them warm, like laying next.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
One boy I got. He's a blanket. Okay, I'm plus
I full size bit in my room. He have a king.
He like a hard metric. I like soft match. But
I've been mad for thirty years. I don't have on
a full size matches. What you say you can't, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
I was crazy. You mean to say that.

Speaker 8 (04:16):
I want to say no because I thought about it,
but I ain't saying.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Squeeze Okay, I was waiting, so I feel a little
bit more bid.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
God damn, I'm sorry. You got that twin body?

Speaker 7 (04:41):
Bitch?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
She on no twins?

Speaker 6 (04:54):
That body crazy, Jordan.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
How you deal with I don't Okay, No, she's a fool.

Speaker 9 (05:04):
Whatever we all said, she'd just be acting up. We
were just talking about this. I was like, there's got
to be at least seventeen hundred thoughts that come to
your brain that you gotta stop before they come out
of your mouth because you know it's gonna set a five.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
It was industry.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I knew I have to watch what I say because
you know, you walk into these meetings and you'd be like,
you be wanting to say that, what the fuck you
wayn white man, damn?

Speaker 8 (05:25):
What did you understand about Miss Pat's voice in her
story that others might have missed earlier?

Speaker 9 (05:31):
I think just letting her be authentic, you know, I
always say when we created the Miss Patt Show, I
wanted to create the first sitcom that I felt like
would have that deaf jam comedy vibe.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
Where it's like you could be uncensored.

Speaker 9 (05:43):
Because there's so many that came before her, like the
Red Foxes and the Richard Pryors and who had a
show for three seconds, you know what I mean, who
couldn't be themselves. Bernie Mack couldn't really be himself on
the Bernie Max Show, but when he got on stage,
he could say, I ain't scared of you, you know
what I mean. So I wanted to create a sitcom
that allowed her to just beat but she could say
whatever she wanted to say, do whatever she wanted to do,
and we can have a hard conversations and let her

(06:04):
say her unfiltered up.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, Yeah, how did your kids get on an episode?

Speaker 5 (06:09):
Like did you you wanted?

Speaker 7 (06:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (06:11):
So my kids on an episode of The Judge Show
which airs this week, and my somebody dropped out right,
so they these are people have real cases or whatever
fuck going on? Friends disput my kids a case dropped
out and literally I did not know they was gonna
walk through that door.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
So you didn't. I had no idea.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
But they did go to the strip club and my
son did spend my gay daughter money, but we never
would get it back. And they've been arguing over this
for a whole year. And I was like, well, why
would you give a broke nigga some money at the gate?
I mean at the strip club? And so she he
didn't pay her back and it became a case. And
when I heard late versus La, I said that might
be my baby daddy, I said, I'm fitna put it
to this nigga, and it walked in was my kids, damn.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
So how did you approach the case?

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Did you approach it as miss pat or as dad Mama?

Speaker 4 (06:55):
I approached it both ways because I can't believe I
couldn't believe they were swing each other. And I had
just got my daughter teeth fixed and she didn't pay
me back, but she want her brother.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
To pay her back.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
And I'm like, oh, y'all owe me money, nobody. I
brought him out. I paid every five hundred dollars to
get your mouth fixed and flew you to Guanamore Bank.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
What the hell she went to?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Okay, yeah, because they were rough but they look good.
That wasn't it an agreement for in place?

Speaker 6 (07:25):
Like you need to pay me back for that?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh some reason.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
My kids don't think they especially them first two my
medicaid kids. The don't think they're supposed to pay me back.

Speaker 6 (07:33):
Your Medicaid kids, yeah, those one that gave because Medicaid.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh okay, you're going on Medicaid to Nigga.

Speaker 6 (07:38):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
You've been killing me in this mother fucker way.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Jordan, you're thirty years old now, right, Yeah, thirty thirty.

Speaker 8 (07:48):
He's Jordan the genius by the way, just like to
throw that word around, but I do the genius.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
You know what. It's nothing like this kid.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
It was so and I've we done told this story
several times how we met, but when I first laid
eyes on him, I was like, this, Nigga is a
black woman, a fat black woman trapped in a gay
man body. That's the first thing I said about him.
I said, you died as a fat black woman and
came back as a gay man. Because how he gets me? Like,

(08:17):
I mean, immediately, we just we just connected. And I
couldn't do that with no other writer that I had.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Nobody would listen to me.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
And it's nothing like dealing with a writer and they
writing a story about you, and that writer think that
they're funnier than you.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
You came out funding me, motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
When I'm talking about me, I'm talking about something that
coming from my head. And when I met Jordan, I said, hey,
I got an idea, but nobody would listen to me.
He said, what was it. I said, I sat on
an airplane and talked to white people and see why
they so racist.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And that's all I had to say. And that was
the pilot.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, Southwest, member of Southwest, you said anywhere, so I
would literally block the seat off, and I wanted to
talk to white.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Men's to see why the fuck they think the way
they do. I would have racist commer safety about race,
and I told him that, and that's how the airplane.

Speaker 6 (09:05):
Setting.

Speaker 9 (09:06):
So you see that if you see the pilot what
we do is the very first episode of this past show,
it's hers. It starts off with her doing stand up
and as she's oh, thank you, and as she finishes
the set, like the airplane kind of comes in around her,
and then before you know what, we're dropped in the
scene and she's talking to this white woman about black
kids being shot, being a black man and stuff in
a really cool way.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Yeah, she's.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
How do you how do you make a set feel
safe for actors to laugh about the same things that
somebody like this past might have cried about in real life?

Speaker 9 (09:36):
That you know, I mean, I feel like that's That's
one thing that me and Patt have always had in
common is that we find a way to laugh at
the pain. Because once you laugh at it, you have
control over So we try to make sure that in
every episode that we do, whether we're talking about raid,
molestation or porn or drugs or whatever it is, we
find a way to laugh at this thing to give

(09:58):
us victory over it in a way in a way
that no other show kind of does. What's crazy is
that I always tell the story. When I first saw
Miss Pat my dad had recorded her. She was on
some daytime talk show. I was in high school of Julie.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
That's what it was.

Speaker 9 (10:12):
And he was like, you gotta watch her. She needs
a TV show, she needs a book or something. And
so I watched it. And I'm in high school. I
ain't got no power, I ain't got it, you know
what I mean. But I fell in love with her,
and I was like, yo, she does the same thing
that I do. She like wild, tell a story about
being molested and somehow have you fall over laughing, and
I was like, yo, I want to work with her.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
So fast forward a couple of years. I'm in college.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
She writes a book about her life. I'm like, oh,
I'm gonna get this book so I can study it.
I screenshot the book. The book is like thirty five
dollars hardcover. I'm in college, so I'm trying to save
money for my four for fours. I got holes in
my socks, you know, I'm trying to So I screenshot it,
but I'm gonna come back to it. Then I write,
Ain't no mo Leasy's Ain't no mo and he already
had a connection with miss Patt and he was like, Yo,
there's this comedian I'm met, and I think you guys

(10:51):
have a similar voice, Like you should connect with her
and see and see if it'll work. She came out
to see the show and she said that exact same thing.
She said, Now you had like a big black woman.
I was like, I don't know what they mean, but
thank you. And ever since then we made it work
and we we built the show, got bt what they
first first Emmy nominations every three Yeah, we had three nominations.

Speaker 6 (11:14):
Ain't no more?

Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
It was a screening. It was that what you call it?

Speaker 9 (11:20):
That was like a read before we even did anything
with it. Yeah, that was like that was probably I was.
I was probably twenty three when I happened.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
I was asking with you, being so young, how did
you dive into some of those those legend comics you
mentioned Red Fox mention?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Probably what got you into those? Being so young?

Speaker 7 (11:34):
I was?

Speaker 9 (11:35):
I was obsessed with old school TV for some reason,
like and I think because I love theater, so like
whenever I watched those old sitcoms like Good Times and
Jefferson's and Martin it felt like just good theater with cameras,
Like when you have a live audience, it's not like
that bootleg like live track ship. Which is why with
the Mispaschal, I wanted to make sure we had a
live to do an audience, make sure we got real

(11:55):
people laughing, because if a joke ain't funny, we're gonna
fix it, you know what I mean. Like, we're not
just gonna make y'all for the stupid joke, you know
what I mean. And so I think learning from like
the Norman Lears and learning from like that era of
television really taught me how to write it in a
really interesting way. And then also I'm just a student
of black comedy, just like old school black comedy, like
everything for moms mainly on like, and I try to

(12:17):
make sure that we honor that black comedy even in
the stuff that we do. Because she's to me, like
she's carrying that baton of like those who came before.
Like I wish I could sit in the conversation with
her and Bernie Mack and just hear what the motherfucking
kids got.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
I can hear it.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
I was waiting on everybody else.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
When it comes to Like, the thing I love about
Jordan's storytelling is he always sent us black life with
like no filter. Right, how do you decide what belongs
on the Broadway stage versus what belongs on like a
TV screen.

Speaker 7 (12:53):
That's a great question. I feel like I never decipher.

Speaker 9 (12:56):
Like even with my new play right now called All
Happy Days at the Public Theater. We close on Sunday.
So if y'all New York come out to Old Happy Day,
it's a black ass play.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, I was in night I.

Speaker 9 (13:11):
And y'all know Donald Lawrence, Right, Donal Lawrence, like encourage yourself.

Speaker 7 (13:14):
The best is you have to come. He wrote the
music for it.

Speaker 9 (13:16):
But but I always try to like write without whiteness
at the center of anything, because I feel like a
lot of times black writers who are writing for Hollywood
or who are writing for Broadway or theater, a lot
of times they assume white people are going to be
in the audience, and they assume to make them comfort exactly,
they want them to be comfortable and want them to
understand every joke, want them to understand. And me, I
write as if there are no white people watching them,

(13:37):
because I feel like writing with whiteness at the center
is a form of white supremacy.

Speaker 7 (13:41):
So it's like, I'm not about to put on my
white hood.

Speaker 9 (13:43):
So I try to like make sure that anytime black
people are entering a space, whether that's they're entering a
theater or just turning on the TV and watching something
that I wrote, making sure that they feel like, oh no,
this is for me.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
We have to conn out.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
I will say this sometime it be too damn black.
I'm like, Joe, we gonna do that. Time to look
at little nigga.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
What was this story about?

Speaker 9 (14:08):
Like the folks, tip, I said her the first drive
of the first episode of this pastial right sent her
first drive and she called me back. She said, Jordan,
we can't we can't send nigga to these white people.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
I said, what you mean.

Speaker 9 (14:20):
She said, you got me saying nigga and motherfucker and ship.
And I said, well, pat, that's how you talk. She said, Nigga,
I don't mother talk like that.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Time literally.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Had another playout.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
We just invited you to it. You didn't answer back,
But that's what you did. Pam didn't call you. You didn't
answer the white woman back. I'm not touching you ever.
You will come check it out.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
We closed on Sunday to night out good.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
It is so good. It is so good. It is
about the black family. It is so good.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
I was in that bitch boohoo and like other than
the Berxel Club. That's why I'm in New York now
with the rats and his cold and his bitch.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
I hate this shit, Jordan.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
With you being so young, right, did you ever get
any pushback?

Speaker 6 (15:12):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (15:13):
Yeah, literally think you are experienced enough to even.

Speaker 9 (15:18):
Always from the very beginning, you know, like, and that's
why I'm grateful that I had a champion of her,
because of course, like in my plays and my writing
my plays, I've been writing places since I was like
ten years old, so I would always experience that then.
But then when I get to Hollywood, that's a whole
nother because a lot of the conversations are like things
like people telling me like, oh, we don't do that
on television, or that's not possible, but that won't make sense,
or you know, I've been doing this for thirty years

(15:39):
and you can't come in here and change this, and
and I'm like, no, no, we're doing something new.

Speaker 7 (15:43):
That's the point.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Were creating something new for a new audience and a
new generation, so like something specifically like I don't know
if y'all are familiar with them special, but y'all know
Nigga Poppins, the character that Tommy Davison plays. So the
whole idea was that, like, oh, we call him Nigga
Poppins because he just he really supposed to be in jail,
but he just like ran, we pop up at the
house every now and again when something needs to be fixed.
So the whole thing was that was that at the

(16:05):
end of it to put a button on. The joke
was that he was gonna steal pats umbrella and he
was gonna fly off into the sky.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
So let me tell the rest of the toy.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
So Jordan wanted Nigga Popping to fly, but the person
at the time will then understand why Nigga Popping fly
and I'm not in Jordan here. So a lot of
times Jordan says, I'm the start to show he would
have to come get me so I could push stuff through.
So I'm like, Jory, if this ship gonna work, you
know you give me to do this dumb ship. I'm
cussing out, Hey, it gonna work. So they didn't want
Nigga Popping to fly, so I wouldn't told look, Nigga

(16:35):
Popping gonna fly because he say, Nigga Popping.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Need to fly, and I'm like, that ship makes sense.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
Understand that black.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
You know the way the way Nigga Popping flew out
the porch, it did look stupid, but I can't.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I don't have that vision. Well he's talking about it.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
So I would always just say, let Nigga pop and
fly and everybody got mad, but Nigga pop and flu
and it worked and it was one of the things
that everybody remember. And it was so many times Jordan
coming to me and say we need to do this,
and I say, Jordan, I'm gonna lose the whole show,
fucking with you, Like when he wanted to direct, and
he's like, it's his show. So they wouldn't let him
show run. So the second season we got him the

(17:17):
show run because I had to threaten him back and
I ain't coming back. I'm fussing, cussing out of everybody,
so they let him show run. Then he wanted the direct.
He to you on the direct and then I cuz
I'm fussing, he gotta goddamn direct and I said, nigga,
can you direct?

Speaker 3 (17:34):
He had never directed.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I said, when you better learn how to direct? You
up here got me fussing at these people, so they
let him directly. I was saying, please, let this shit
work out. He's playing with these people money. He ain't
never been in front of this many damn cameras, and
it worked out.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
Gotta be frustrating when you funny, when you're creative, and
you gotta explain your vision to people who are not
funny and not creative because if they were, they wouldn't
need you all exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
And it is hard, I mean, even over at sometimes
over at be t plus, you know, explaining.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
To people what we want to do and why we
want to go there.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
I remember when when when when I was on the
episode where I was having an abortion and I had
an abortion without my husband consent because I was we
was trying to send a missing This is my body.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Just because I'm married to you. You do not own
my body. If I get pregnant and I choose to have.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
An abortion, it is my choice, like it's your choice
to get your nuts clip. Nobody ever says ship when
y'all get your nuts clip. Hey, that's killing babies too.
They stopped up in your ass. Now they can't come
there to you all and recreate, right right.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
I never thought about it like that. But you don't
cut the baby hat off because it can't come out
through you.

Speaker 10 (18:37):
Your rethough whatever that call. But anyway, knock a long
story short.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Terry pushes a t refringerator because I had an abortion,
and one of the deegents was like, he shouldn't push thefrigerator.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I say, he frustrated.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
His wife just had an abortion without his choice, So
what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And I had to fight to keep that in there.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
It was real.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
So those are the things and I try to tell
them like if it's when sometime me and Terry had
an argument.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
He'll grabed me and it was like he get her
head off. I said, bitch, I know how to be beat.
I've been beat, so let me I know what I know.
I know what I'm doing to make it look like
it's real. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Time I had my ass beating. I many time I
beat somebody ass. And those are the things that you
had to really fight for, like the real stuff. Him
snatching on me, or him talking to me a certain way,
or him punching refrigerator or you know, like we had
one execa.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
That oh my god, oh my god, y'all you're gonna
have an abortion. And I told her, I said, and
she left the show.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
I said.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
The problem is is that this is mimicking your life.
So since I hit on something that you tried to
hide within yourself, you triggered. So that's why you left.
It wasn't because you didn't like the Mispatch show, bitch.
It was because I brought up memories.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And it's okay.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know, sometime I walk down the food out and
I see polished me and I feel poor.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
So that's why I don't walk down that hour with
the Southeast and stuff on it.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I don't eat rich crackers, a certain ship. I don't
do to make me not feel poor. If I see
an El Camino, I was molested in an El Camino.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
So I don't like them.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
So we all get triggered by ship and it's okay,
but don't my show.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
I feel about Jerry Crows, you get about never had
touched on when I was eight, Jerry Caro, did you
have Jared car The woman who touched me had a
Jerry Crow, and I used to always say I didn't
like to smell her Jerry crow.

Speaker 6 (20:28):
That's why I made her stop.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Wow, you made her stop, Melissa, You because you didn't
like her hair smell.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
No, that was not because she.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Was touching you. No, that was exactly that was the.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I never paid attention to my Molesta hair cut, the music.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Get off me your hairstank.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Talk about like.

Speaker 10 (21:06):
Smell my mit, No matter, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Don't tell me Maddy next time I come here, nigga,
I'm jack. Oh my god, no, I'm coming jack girl
with some primo.

Speaker 8 (21:26):
What's the one thing that you want?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Will you? Okay damn, it's one thing that you did
it won't the great disease that threw you?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Okay damn, I'm girl. Can't. I'm thinking a canker ankles?

Speaker 6 (21:55):
What am on the comedy?

Speaker 4 (21:55):
You gonna.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Comment back? She had her fingers.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's why she like smile, Nigga, smile, Damn, she like smile.

Speaker 6 (22:14):
Don't act like that's not on your lap.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
I used to to be Santa Claus and the goddamn
all back in the day.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
You got me messed up with the bit you touch
you with that, Jery, Oh my god, that was not me,
that was your friend.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I was asking that you didn't for that you wish
you fought for in any of these shows.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Mmmm.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
I think we.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Usually win no because we one thing we did, and
I tell you what, what I love about Jordan is
when we went into this, we didn't know anything about
TV and one thing I promised him, because I'm from
the street.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Your word mean everything to me.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
And I told him, I said, this is Hollywood, and
they're gonna try to tell us some part.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
As long as we stay.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Together, I think we can succeed. You be honest with me,
and I always be honest with you. And that's one
thing they could never do. They could never tell us
apart when they was talking when they run around to
my can't she read?

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Hell not?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
I can't read that fast. But I'm a practice. He
came back and told me. So what we did was
we went to LA and we hired people to do
table reads with us because I had never seen the
table read, and we did it like a couple times
a month so I could get practice to be comfortable
because I ain't no shit about acting, and when and
when they was like, he's too young a direct. I

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fought like hell to make sure he directed, and finally
they left us alone. So you know, and it's that's
hard to find in this business, somebody who's gonna keep
that word with you, because it's easy to dangle money
in their face and break up the whole fucking try.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
But there was never baby.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Plus I already had a husband with a good job,
and I told him you could never give me as
much money as I could steal from you. So how
I've never been fascinated by Hollywood. You know, I'm not
the bitch that gonna get my nose done. I'm gonna
get my stoma done when they go all the way down,
because I would like to see them John before I die.
But other than that mirror.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Too much heat down.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
There's better have a winship and white just alarryity, little
poo pool, My hair grow down my thighs, horse.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
My my, she said, whoa who?

Speaker 4 (24:47):
You know it's supposed to have been on an episode
or or or multiple episodes of Miss Past Settles.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
But I got a I got a phone.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Call right like, right like, right after paperwork was done
and all of that right saying that I could no
longer be on the show for a few episodes because
of a comment that I had made. And the comment
was literally, literally verbatim, only women can have babies.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
I said that, you know, And I asked, was that.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
What got them to, you know, revoke my opportunity to
be on your show?

Speaker 5 (25:23):
And they said yes, Well.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
You know what a lot of times when they do stuff,
and I'm gonna be honest with you because I knew
you was gonna ask me this fucked up course, so
I'm gonna ask you. They didn't come to us and
say that was They just said we're gonna go into
BET said no. So when I when I asked you
to do it, and no matter who I pick in
this room, the networks still have to approve it and they.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Check out everything.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
So when I guess that conversation came up and then
they decided to say no, it's nothing I can do
when it's their money. I came here and said I
want you on my show. I went back and told
them I want you on my show. But then they
all they said, BT said no, Yeah, I knew.

Speaker 6 (25:58):
It wasn't you.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, because the person who even called me said that
you fought for like you really was like, nah, I
want her on the show, you know, and you said
that more than once. But they just they told me
that that was the reason why. And I'm like, oh,
all right, well do she know that?

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Can she?

Speaker 5 (26:13):
You know what I'm saying, Like, did y'all talk to
her or did y'all tell her? What was her feedback?

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Like, y'all don't care that that's her show, she want
me on there? And then it's just bogus for a
for a statement like that that I couldn't come and
do mispast subtles that.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
I was really upset about that.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
But you do understand why people were why people were
like all up in arms about that, Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (26:31):
I understand. But that don't mean what I said was
not true.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
I think it's only because of only because of their
transmitn Like people who identify as men out there, who
like have babies, so they're like, oh, I have a
baby too, but I don't necessarily consider myself a woman,
So then it like exits me out of the conversation.

Speaker 7 (26:49):
It's like that was it.

Speaker 9 (26:50):
It was the fact that there were people who don't
identify as women. Who are like, no, I have babies,
do childbirth. But I just feel offended because.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I'm not of you from having a gay daughter.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Let people be who of the face they want to be.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I grew up with a lot of people who say
whatever the fuck they was, that, whatever you are, that's
who I respect you as being. I just me personally.
I don't put myself in those conversations. If you say
you're a woman, then you're a fucking woman. You got
on my shoes, you got on my dress. I'm mad
because your makeup is better than mine. Other than that,
I don't give a fuck what you can look like
Charlemagne with a wig and Charlemagne want to be, and

(27:25):
shut the hell up.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
If you want to be Charlah today, then find out.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
I mean, just don't argue with them, because let them
allow them to be whatever they want to be.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
And that's just life.

Speaker 9 (27:36):
But also I think it's because I always look at this,
and we talked about this on the show's I always
think that, like I just look at everybody's spirits, like
we're all really just like having a physical experience for
this lifetime here on this earth, but we're all just
spirits and those spirits when we die. Don't come with
a debt, don't come with a vagina, don't come with they.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Just you're just spirits.

Speaker 9 (27:54):
How you It's how you treated people when you were
here and how you lived your life. And I think
there are people who are like, oh, I'm just spirit,
Like I just I don't subscribe to the like colonialized
mind of like, oh I'm a man, i'm a woman,
I'm this some of that. It's like, no, I'm just
I'm just spirit. But I think that that's why people
were like, oh, all up in arms whenever that happened,
because it was like.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
But I also like, if you do, I don't think
you should be canceled for it.

Speaker 9 (28:17):
No, I think it's a conversation. I don't think it's canceled.
I don't personally, I don't think it's canceling. I think
it's a conversations.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Let you know, how we can have a conversation, whether
you exactly and we can leave exactly.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Because it's just so much Ship said that, like that
is completely off. Motherfucker's raido, right, Like nobody get in
trouble for ship.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
But what else? But my thing is like it's not
about the gay community is like mag.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
But it's not.

Speaker 9 (28:44):
It's it's it's it's not about canceled canceled.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Let me clear it up what I mean by.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like what you know what I mean when they come
for you, they come for you, and they coming drones and.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
No matter what you say, they right, I mean they
did it.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's crazy. It is.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
You don't falk with the game community I do. You
won't be talking that ship about I'll be like I
talk about my daughter on Stay and I said, this
is by my daughter, and I leave it this day
because it's a sensitive community.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
But it's not about sensitivity. It's about respect. It's about
I respect what you do. You respect what I do.
It's not about being sensitive. It's like, no, you respect me,
I respect you. Let's go out, like you said, I
have drinks. Let's have a conversation. But I don't think
anybody when people say something wrong, Like if I see
somebody who considers himself to be gender knocking for me
and I misgendered them and I say he or I
say she and they correct me.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 7 (29:47):
I shouldn't.

Speaker 9 (29:47):
I shouldn't feel canceled or feel upset because I didn't
know if you tell me we have a conversation, I'm
gonna respect you because you told me.

Speaker 7 (29:54):
Oh this is how you did it, all right, I'm
gonna try.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I don't do identification. I don't. I'm being honest. I
don't want to know. If you hear them, dare in her?
What's your name? Give me your name because I can't.
I don't want you.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
That's a slippery slow you around to call him a
she or she or him a dim. I gets too
much to the new gay community. When I was coming up,
it was just but it was just two things.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
He was a beat. Can I say it? But no, oh,
you just two things.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Okay, you know, trying to get me.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
In fal But all of this new stuff, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
This is just respect.

Speaker 9 (30:32):
It's not new stuff because this is the thing. It's
just the same way it's new to you. But this
is the thing. It's just it's the same as as
when we were talking about white people. A white person
trying to get over calling us negro, trying to get
over calling us color. It's because times have changed. It's
not oh my gosh, these niggas are all of us now.
They want to be called colored in an African American,
and it's like, no, actually, I'm gonna listen to what

(30:53):
you're saying because it affects you. So I'm gonna try
to do my best to not say color no more.
I'm gonna try to do my best to not say
f no more. And I say beat them up.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
But it's about It's about communication.

Speaker 9 (31:03):
But nowadays I feel like people are so busy doing
this that they don't actually communicate, so we don't actually
move forward or anything, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (31:09):
So is it okay if I just say I don't
need to know your pronouns.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
I just want to know your name.

Speaker 7 (31:14):
I don't think that's a I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I don't cause Rob dropped out of school. I don't
even know what a pronoun mean. So just give me
your name.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I don't know what the noun is. I don't know
what a verb.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Just give me your name, and that's what I'm gonna
call you. If you if you're a gay woman, you
want to be called big dick? Will it big dick? Willy?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
It is?

Speaker 6 (31:32):
You know fa fact?

Speaker 3 (31:36):
So keep telling me fu I'm never fished.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Let me tell you so, I'm straight off the US
D A food step ten years ago, I supposed to
be fat, so I ate good and when I did
not buy with my food step, I stole or broach
your parents' check.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
So I've been fat alone time now, as.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
I learned that from Big Bank. When she was here,
she actually called it the f work.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
The ef work, their work, all right.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
She can be offended me is I And I'm not
talking about it, but I'm just saying you is what
you is.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, I mean, how you're gonna be offended to be
called fat? When you fat? I'm fat.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I'm thick that they never said that word. That word
was forbidden in her household, in her household.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
But not at the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
But but it's forbidden in my household.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Niggay in your house?

Speaker 9 (32:31):
Fat when a little kid, I feel like when little
kids say fat, that's what the little kids call you,
fast because you know what our kids, your kids.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Can't your kids.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
Ain't nobody fat in your house, just skinny ass fat,
nice kind family. I've been looking at y'all, said all
them niggas zeros over there, y'all be in the car,
in this car, I see your family in the seat.
They don't take up my family get in my car.

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My family can't even ride in my way cause they
asked me hanging over the sea.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I mean, you are you? You can't you?

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I mean saying fact could hurt people feeling saying fat
to me, I don't give because I'm gonna fire back.
I'm gonna easily go to your faith page and see
the kid, and I'm gonna drag the ship out.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
I'm gonna drag your whole family. So if you call
me fat, don't hurt me. I know what I am.
I'm not. I'm not fat.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Well, I put the ordering up under my stomach. I'm
not that type of fat. I'm not baby piled of fat. Yeah,
but I sweat after.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
About the SNAP benefits? Right? Are you asking her? Because
she understands you do at least I do tell people
what that means for.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
People to have this SNAP benefits taken away, man, especially
around the goddamn holidays.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
You know, I was just talking to my assistant and
there I said, you know, I see people in the
grocery sto celebrating that people don't have SNAP. And you know,
nobody actually be born into a family a poverty. Nobody
actually be born into a family of needs when you
out there picking that, you can't fought the kids for having.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
A parents that need the program.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So when you out here celebrating somebody not eat, that
child is who you hurting that? That child is who
gonna go to school hungry like I did.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
I grew up on foodstamp.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
There was so many times we ran out of food
and I couldnot wait till Monday morning so I can
get that breakfast at school or ma mama food stamp
to kick in on the third. Nobody's thinking about the
kids and this So what you might think that the
mama selling the foodstack of the mamas a hood rat,
But one thing I do know by being a hood
rat mama, no matter how much you sell on Foodstown,

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you gonna put a little bit back for grocery and
that little grocery is gonna feed that child for a
certain amount of days. So while you out here celebrating,
you're hurting a kid that don't have shit to do
with the family that they was born into. It's not
their fault and you want to take that from them,
which would give me flashback and it hurts my feelings.

(35:06):
It actually made me I'm looking for a food bank.
What I found one in my community to give food to,
because nobody ever think about that child. I mean, I
was a child with raggedy clothes. I was a child
who had to get the Thanksgiving bag skin from school.
I was a child that went to school raggedy, didn't
have nothing. But you gonna you making it their fault.
It's not their fault. You know, everybody can't be born

(35:29):
to you. Sure everybody can't be born to me.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
But you know, but I had it rough. And those
are the people that you heard. And that's when I'm talking.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
When I'm on my social media talking, she'd be like, oh,
you need to stay out of politics. I said, what
the hell do I need to stay out of politics
when I pay a shit ton of taxes? And I
was once those people that you're talking about. I moved
ten years from being on Section eight in food stamps.
So I will never forget when I had custead of
my sister kids and I was working at Walmart and
I had to get food stamps and how that helped out.

(36:00):
That twelve hundred dollars I got for raising eight kids
still were not enough, but I had to make it.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Do what they do.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
So when you're talking about snap out here, Fuck the mama,
forget the daddy. Think about that child and that household
that needed more than anything that you out here celebrate
that they're not gonna be able to eat because you
think their parents are getting their hair done, or you
think their parents are not doing what they're supposed to do.
Nobody ever looked behind that pair and see the old

(36:27):
hunger kid. So what is six kids on welfare? Well, hell,
you're taking my money building the ball room. You're taking
my money doing dumb crafds. And let me just say this,
They've been doing this for years. The Congress have been
doing this for years, taking all money making their lives better.
But one thing I can say, I've never seen a
president that take that took like they're doing the shit

(36:49):
he doing. Now, you had your little racist president, but
they still were gonna tricker down and get a little
black folks, they little help in here and there. And
not only that, you cut off program to help people
with their electricity. You cut off program to help people
with their lights.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Do you know how? And people's like, well, how is
it affecting you?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
I might live in a fifteen thousand square foot house
and it had not hit me, and it hadn't hit you,
and it hadn't hit you, and it probably hadn't hit you.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
But it hit the people that I talked to on
a daily basis.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
They hit my friends when they cannot pay their bills,
and I'm the only friend that they can call and say,
can you give me a little bit of help?

Speaker 3 (37:23):
It hit my family.

Speaker 4 (37:26):
You know how many people I had to go help
since this crap has been going on. And I don't
put that on social media because it's none of your
damn business.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I don't do it for lights.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
I do it because I love the people that I'm helping.
But so many of my friends are struggling behind it.
And some of them don't even get snapped, some of
them don't lost their jobs. Those are the things that
you got to think about when you out here celebrating
on this bullshit. Because let me tell you something, It's
coming to all dough nexts. It's coming to all dose nexts.
It's not I can walk in the grocery store, I'm

(37:57):
blessed and not look twice at a price. I'm okay,
But Nigga, in the last week, I've been looking like
damn butter Coast this much.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Let me go back to Q Puny.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
I literally say I gotta go back to Q pony
because I got so many people that needs my help.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Hey, what about when you walk out the grocery do
and somebody trying to rob you for your grocery. It's
gonna come to that, It's gone.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Let me say this to you, when when when you
take from the poor, they gonna get it. I've been
that person.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I've been that person that ran out of the store
with lookal, I've been that person that ran out of
the store with balloona and and that other stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
You think they stealing?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Now you think they're stealing now you said, I don't
know if y'all notice this morning Walmart telling kirkis turn
Snap back on because they get they get a tax
break and they and they revenue with a point some
billion dollars a month a year or some ship that
they get from people using snap in Walmart. So it's
not just affecting us, it's affecting them too because that

(38:53):
was free money they was getting.

Speaker 7 (38:54):
Also that the Democrats don't cave, I do hold that.
Have you seen those care prices?

Speaker 6 (39:00):
But they're going up anywhere, So you need going up anyway.

Speaker 7 (39:03):
So what's gonna happen because of the Big Beautiful Bill.

Speaker 6 (39:05):
They're going up anywhere.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
But I feel like if they don't cave, is it
still gonna go up.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Yes, they go up anyway because of the the Big Beautiful.

Speaker 7 (39:11):
Bill holds they the same prices.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Yes they are. They've already spiked in some place.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
The lady says, you have to pay.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
She was paying like three fifty a month and now
she got to pay two thousand a month for health care.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
I want to ask you that, how do you how
do you so you do you choose health care? Do
you choose to eat?

Speaker 6 (39:27):
You choose to eat?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You choose it.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
It's gonna happen. They're not going to take health care.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then they're only gonna go to the doctor when
they when it's something, when they have to go for
when they die. I feel like they're going to have
to do home remedies.

Speaker 8 (39:36):
Yes, the healthcare is gonna go up anyway because the
Big Beautiful Bill didn't include the.

Speaker 6 (39:40):
Extension of the tax credits to keep the cost down.
So it's it's going they're.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Trying to get That's what they're trying to get the extension.
That's the whole.

Speaker 6 (39:47):
So it's going up anywhere.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
So well, what I'm saying, if they get it, it
won't go up. What you mean, I mean if the
Democrats don't cave, if the Demo Democrats.

Speaker 8 (39:55):
Don't care because of the big beautiful bill that it
didn't include the extension of the.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Aren't they fighting for them to put the instittion in
a big, big beauty.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
The premiums hold for a year, like it goes up,
and it's gonna hold for you up until the election.

Speaker 9 (40:08):
This is what I'm saying that and people he gonna
that man is gonna make everything fall on itself.

Speaker 8 (40:15):
The premiums are set for a year at this point.
So it's like, right now what the Democrats holding on for?

Speaker 9 (40:23):
Because next year, I feel like if it's this, then
it's gonna be something else. It's gonna be something else.
It's gonna be something else. He's always gonna find a
way to manipulate so that everybody gives up whatever it
is that makes that's but.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
It's so many people that's not getting.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
But it is a choice.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
I saw with Jabit the other day, Jake tablet as
him a simple question he said, you're acknowledging that it's
a choice between healthcare and people not being able to
take care of their media needs.

Speaker 7 (40:44):
Right now, right now, that's the point.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
So it is.

Speaker 9 (40:47):
But that's exactly what he wanted the choice to be,
so that then we would get rid of health care.
Then it's gonna be something else. There's gonna be something else.
There's gonna be something else, so that we can always
have to make the choice. Gotta make the choice.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
That's how it was.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
But this is all to hell the poor too. I mean,
this is to just to kill the poor, you know,
make it. I guess they just want to wipe it white.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I keep asking.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I even asked my white friends. I said, can you
tell your white relatives if this country was all white?

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Well, what y'all gonna eat? Stadium hot dogs? Why people
ain't got no food? But you know what really pisses
me off when I.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
See them sitting in Mexican restaurants when I and I
want to ask them, is this how you feel?

Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean, tell me how you feel?

Speaker 4 (41:28):
You sitting up here, you know, all the good season
to ask me. You know, you can't get at the house.
And I be wanting to ask them that they couldn't
come in my same way they used to hate niggas
and then listen to that can Call album.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
It's the same thing they couldn't dance.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
To l G B t Q legislation all got secret boyfriends,
Joe when you're right right, especially for somebody like this,
just in general, because I love that no more. I
don't know why that's still not on Broadway right now.
But are you trying to entertain here or or make
people feel uncomfortable all.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Of the Oh yeah, he wants you to feel uncomfortable.
He wants you to cry, and if you if you're
another race, he wants you to get upset.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
He wants you to think. He always want you to think.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And if you watch this season of The Mispast Shore,
then where I bust sack around at oh.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, oh yeah yeah. So like he would be in
my ear and he would keep pushing me and pushing me.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
And my thing is that you know, I had kids
really young, been through a lot, and he would just
keep pushing me until I break down.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Because my mama is one of the biggest.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
People in my life. I can say that did me
like shit, did not protect me you know, let me
get less. Just treated me like shit and thought I
made me think I was not love and he know
that that's my trigger point and he would be in
my ill just going on about my mama Mildred to
the point where this season when it comes out, you know,
see what okay with season four where your mama I

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hate her? And I had never said I hated my
mama out loud. I've forgiven my mama because I realized
it was a generation to curse. You know, everything that
happened to my mama, she allowed to happen to me,
and so I forgive her because she didn't know no better.
But I still have to live with the things that
she allowed that happened to me that I didn't allow
to happen to my kids.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I don't know why my daughter game.

Speaker 6 (43:13):
And it's like.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
You knows.

Speaker 9 (43:21):
Anything that's that's that's the crux of like everything that
I do and whatever I'm writing, I never like try
to write from a place of like, oh I got
a message I want to get out. It's usually because
I have questions within myself that I got to figure
out within myself, Like even with this new play or
every day it was really like it took me seven
years to write it because I had to grow.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Sometimes I feel like it's artists.

Speaker 9 (43:43):
We're giving things that were not yet mature enough to
give out into the earth, which is why I'm like,
I can't do that microwave arct Sometimes you got to
do that crock pile right where it's falling off the bone, you.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
And I feel like I had to learn through a
happy day that happiness was a choice that took forever
for me to learn.

Speaker 7 (43:57):
The idea that like it was up to me to.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Choose, don't get Season four of the Court Show is out, Yes, yes,
it's come, it's out, so and that was me and
Jordan idea and we teamed up with four ninety five
and we made it happen so nice.

Speaker 8 (44:09):
Yeah, Well, like I gotta go back to what Georgia said, So, Joe,
what does radical black joy look like to you right now?

Speaker 6 (44:16):
And how do you protect it in a business that
profits all black men?

Speaker 7 (44:21):
Come on, right now, it looks like protecting ourselves.

Speaker 9 (44:27):
It looks like discovering radical spaces for us to like
actually gather and actually have joy, because right now I
feel like we're in a town where everybody wants to
do everything on social media, but we forget that the
people who own social media were at their inauguration. The
people who own these platforms were at the inauguration. So
they're like kind of rooting for our downfall. So we
have to go back to creating gathering spaces for ourselves.
It looks like, you know, dancing by yourself and looking

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at yourself in the mirror and say, damn, I'm fine,
you know what I mean. It looks like a soul
train line. It looks like like like a cookout where
with some good aspectato salt and some good ass fried chicken.
It looks like all of us coming together and reminding
ourselves of our worth and our power and a time
when we're being told that we are worthless, you.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Know, literally, because we cared about each other.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
That's sometimes I ain't gonna hold you.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Sometimes when I feel bad about what's going on right now,
I'll go back and watch Roots.

Speaker 7 (45:17):
I'd be like, damn, at least there and then and
then we.

Speaker 9 (45:21):
Want that that power, whatever that strength is that they had,
because I always get pissed off forever people are like,
I'm not my answers, is I beat your ass. I'm
not as weak as them, but actually they were. They
were the strongest of the strongest to make it over
on the Middle Passage and to get through months and
months of starvation and rape and beatings, and you had
to be literally the physically the strongest of the strongest.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
So that's who we are descendants of.

Speaker 9 (45:43):
And we have to remind ourselves of that in moments
like this, in a dark moment in our country where
it seems like nothing is coming for us, the future
is bleak, we have to remind.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Us ourselves that all that's built in us, we already
have it, you know.

Speaker 9 (45:55):
And as far as protecting it and these kind of
situations in the Hollywood of it all, it's really just
like writing from an authentic place and knowing that the
audience that will get it will get it. Like even
with a Happy Day right now, it was the same
thing with Ain't No mo It's like it's a very
specific play for a very specific audience, you know, a
very specific black audience. But they don't always know when
a play is happening, you know what I mean, Like
you said, I didn't know that was happening.

Speaker 7 (46:16):
They don't always know what is happening.

Speaker 9 (46:17):
So then what happens is you write this black ass
material and the seats are filled with mainly white people,
and all the jokes and all the things and everything
just goes over their head. So it's like it's important
for us to find gathering spaces like that as well.

Speaker 8 (46:30):
So yeah, that's I think the only people that can
say Broadway is black people. I go to a lot
of Broadway plays, you know what I'm saying. But the
energy that was around Hamilton that ain't no mores, even
the Outsiders right now that got black cast and.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
It wicked like stuff like it gotta be diversity on.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
I'm not gonna watch anything if my people is not
in it, not even a TV show. I need at
least one person that represents me. And when it feels
an all white show, I just I'm not interested because
I won't because if you support those things and those
shows continue to do well, they're never gonna give all
actors any work. They're gonna say, well, this is what
like when we was little, they told you, hey, this

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is how American family is.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
The Brady Bunch. Well we won't growing up like no
Brady bunch, that ship won't real.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Then the Jefferson, I mean, then a good time's come
along you, Oh, somebody who represent where I come from.
So you know, I just I don't if you don't
have anything that represent me and now my people, I
don't watch it and.

Speaker 6 (47:26):
It's I don't understand either.

Speaker 8 (47:27):
And we had these conversations about TV and film, We
had all of that in the nineties and it was
super six.

Speaker 6 (47:33):
What happened?

Speaker 7 (47:34):
They built it on our backs and then they got
rid of us.

Speaker 9 (47:37):
That's what it's just like they deal with a lot
of living single and then you got friends and then
you you know what I mean. It's like a lot
of times it's it's like they want us to be
the ones to build it up, and then they get
rid of us like this.

Speaker 7 (47:47):
I don't know if you're watching TV right now, but
it's white.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
It's it's and I think it has a lot to
do a lot of black sl for.

Speaker 9 (47:56):
Real, And I think it has a lot to do
with the political They want to move to wherever the
political climate is. So we have to be the ones
once again making sure that we're protecting our black joy
and our safe faces that support black art.

Speaker 6 (48:07):
Yeah, you know I have the key too.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Man.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
Black people don't be supporting like this should.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Yeah, but they talk about it, you know. And I
had to tell people this one miss past show came out.
They was like, oh my god, this is not a
representation of my family. And then Drum would get mad
at me because I would go online. I said, look, bitch,
I don't know you. If this don't click with you,
then move the fuck on because I'm going for people
who gets me. And then eventually by the second seaton,
oh my god, I love this show. But I was like,

(48:33):
you never see white people online beating down white shows
if they don't like them. They don't like but we
quick to tell you we don't like something that black
people create. And now I tell people, I say, you
black people listening today, y'all never go to the loeu
of Vauton or Gucci and say you don't like that crap.
You just don't buy it or you can't afford to buy.

(48:53):
But as soon as a black person put out a product,
you kills it. Instead of just saying or inboxing a
person telling them what you don't like about, you go
public and want to destroy the black person from out
from inside. I never could plain about black product. If
you sell me something that I don't like, I keep
my mouth shut. One you're black. Two, I hope you succeee.

(49:14):
Three I ain't gonna buy you shit no more. But
I'm not gonna talk about you publicly because white people
don't do that shit. You never see white people on
Lie Dog in our white shows. But let a black
show come along. Even if I don't like a black show,
I would let it play in the black background because
you black.

Speaker 9 (49:30):
I want to say this one thing about the Mispastor
and why Miss Patty so revolutionary is in that sitcom too.
It's because, like when we shot that pilot, like we said,
that's not something that you normally see on TV. When
we shot that pilot, we shot it in la and
we shot it on the same sound stage as Julia.
I don't know if y'all know what Julia is, but
that that was a Diane Carroll show that in the
sixth seieson, and that was the first time that a

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black woman was on television where she wasn't playing a maid,
she was actually playing a nurse. And she had she
was a single mother, She had a son and my
mom had a Julia dog that was big that we
shot on the exact same sounds ages Julia and Diane
Carroll was known for saying that she wasn't a fan
of that show in the sixties because she felt like
she had to play a white Negro.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
She felt like she had to play a palatable black
woman for this audience.

Speaker 9 (50:10):
So I remember that we were a Debbie Allen directed
our pilot, and I remember she was like, Jordan, you
want to go to work with me one day? And
I was like yeah. She was like, well, on the
way there, I gotta go. I gotta stop and go
say goodbye to Diane Carroll. I was like about it,
Daran Carroll, and she stopped in front of this apartment
building and she went upstairs and she came down, little
tears in her eyes, and said, all right, let's go
to work. I realized that Diane Carroll was passing away

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and we were going to work on the same sound
stage as Julia, and we were doing the complete opposite
of this palatable black woman.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (50:43):
Yeah, And that just felt like so cosmic in a
really beautiful way. So I feel like I'm proud of
the work that we five seasons is crazy.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
But I'm very proud of Jordan. You You're so young
doing this, doing what you do.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
I think this is it's dope, and I'm glad that
you did not let anybody steal your joy on your way,
you know, during your journey, because you're too young, because
you're what they call what they call it green in
the like. You know, I love that you gotta learn
to stick to and I know if you got to
get home and see about your family because you're trying
to go.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
But this did y'all.

Speaker 8 (51:24):
Know I was I was.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Attacking.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I forget what the I won't say because I got
mental palls.

Speaker 8 (51:35):
No, it was not talking about and he said you
used to go hungry.

Speaker 6 (51:41):
At some point you started eating and couldn't stop after That.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Keeps my ass from the front about is crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
I don't know what he was asking about season five.
I think that's no.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
She was talking about about green and oh yeah, look,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
But then you know, Jordan has been awesome and I
just I love him, you know, And I don't know
if we will ever do another project together. But Jordan
has gotten me over so many mental hamps where I
thought I couldn't do it, and he put it in
me that I could do it. I mean, I couldn't
act with ship and he never said you couldn't act,
but he's like, you need some help, you know, And

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it was it was. It was such a joy working
with somebody who don't judge you, who instead of putting you.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Down, they was they.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
He came along and fixed the things that were broken
with me, and he understood me from the front, from
the beginning, and that is hard to do.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
And you want, you want to know something. Every time I.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Get a project, I want Jordan on it. But I
know I can't help Jordan on it because he don't need.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
To be on it.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
You know, we've learned from each other and we can
go off onto the world and make our own thing.
But he's my comfort zone. And every time he was like,
well who you want to write? It in my mind
goes Jordan and other like bitch Lee Jordan alone. He's
creating gay plays and all of this other.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
But think about the.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Ord And I try to tell him out, uh uh,
what's what's.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (53:17):
What's a guy named Adam sound And.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
What I loved about Ali Sounder He put on his
Adam Sounder whatever.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
You know what I loved about him. He put everybody on,
and every time he got a project, he continued to
put his friends on and they all got rich together.
And that's what I be telling Joyd.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
I said, even though, if you don't come back and
use me, use those writers that we start with, use.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Though, because they understand you.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
So keep your people clothes that understand you and continue
to build.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
And that's that's the only thing I ever asked him for.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
I said, I know, I'll be trying to tell you
need to let me be execuve, producing on show up
and just help me get a check.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
But he was.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Everybody else do it common people who have shows put
my kids on. They be like, put your kids on,
and they won't even put my kids on. If you
ask me to put somebody on, I'm gonna put them on, because.

Speaker 7 (54:14):
If they're good at their job, you're not just giving
random people.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
Because one time we did that and we had to
remember they had to let somebody go that same day.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
But oh yeah, but he was on.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
But were as we in this industry, we gotta start
looking out for each other because so many times you
go on these sets and they white when people come
to make like, God damn yo said it's black gay
Puerto Rican.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
All kind of people came women camera. I don't play,
I do not. I have picklem and joy and get
on me. Be like you being every damn to port me.
You would not watch the.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Mispass show in the week is done wrong because miss
Pat don't Walter run that touch that way? Hey, more glue,
more jam mo something, because I care about everybody. On
this season, we had an episode about Ice and the
Mexican lady and they just threw the makeup on them
and I was like, why she greasy? And they was like,
well that's how I said, that's not how they look pretty.

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And I took the makeup people. I said, you're gonna
fucking fix her face and they fixed it, because why
am I'm looking good and background not looking good?

Speaker 7 (55:18):
Not on my show.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Everybody gonna get fat and everybody gonna look good and everybody.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Gonna work popping up.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Bit.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yes it is, it is, Yes, it is that baby,
it's a buffer over there. It ain't. None of that
means bab bad. They barbecue every day in the back
of that set.

Speaker 6 (55:36):
Why the black makeup ball thought Mexicans was greasy, right,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
I think it was that it was the problem because
a lot of times with camera makeup, it looks good
off camera, but then when you get on camera you' be.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Like whoa yes, and so to me, I don't think
they saw it off camera, but when when you put
them lights on it, she was very greased, and I
was like, why you got her looking like? That's like
what I said? No, I said, come on baby, and
she was a backup. I said, come on baby, we're
gonna fix this. And I never told her she agrees.
I said, they need to touch you up.

Speaker 6 (56:08):
Did she speak English?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
She spoke English?

Speaker 4 (56:11):
But then what you weren't gonna make her look like that?
Because every I want everybody to look good. I want
everybody to look back on my show and be happy
about how they look. I care about everybody.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I can't, we can't. We can't tell you.

Speaker 7 (56:25):
But it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (56:26):
It's so crazy that we didn't know if they was
gonna let us err it.

Speaker 10 (56:30):
Is.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
It's wild.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Thank you so much for us this morning.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I love you, Charlamagne. You're gonna get into Congress. We
need you when you're gonna become a congressman. Old. Well,
we need you, Charlamagne. You're very intelligent. You smart.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
If I had half the knowledge that you had, I
would be out there like Jammer Crockett, cutting them, cutting
the no.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
From pspective perspective.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, but I ain't got time.

Speaker 8 (56:56):
See, I'm not tell me that she text me all
the time, you like I told you you the next
and Andrew Gillim, I think you.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Did great out the.

Speaker 6 (57:19):
Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Jordany.

Speaker 6 (57:21):
I'm coming to see happy that you said week.

Speaker 7 (57:23):
Yees last week.

Speaker 6 (57:24):
I'm coming this week.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Can I give a shout out to somebody I know?
Shout out?

Speaker 4 (57:27):
So?

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Can I give a shout out to Carlos Miller from eighty.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Five doing up my husband Old schools nineteen seventy. I'm
coming to your damn car Colos don Hook. We got
a seventy and a seventy two and Carlos redid them bitches.
I don't know what color it is, brown and one
white striping other than white with the browns. It's on
yat bitch is bad coins Miller. My two calls up

(57:52):
for my husband and we coming to light skin cos.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yes, it's the breakfast Club. Good morning.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
Hold up every day, I wake up, pack your glass,
up the breakfast club.

Speaker 7 (58:04):
You're finished, y'all.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
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